NES HDMI converter tests: fake Scart vs Composite
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Just playing with some plug and play devices to try and get better video quality on my Nintendo Entertainment System using a Scart to HDMI converter and a Black Web Composite to HDMI converter.
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Just to clarify the scart adapter just allows you hook up composite cables to Scart input it doesn't change the output signal of NES at all. The only way to change output is to mod internals of NES with RGB or HDMI circuit boards which are very expensive and hard to install. The Scart to HDMI converter i use in video seems to be the only converter in the under $50 range that has any noticeable results. I also tested multiple Composite to HDMI converters in the Under $50 range and had no luck with video quality improvement. The results might not be for everyone but i personally think Scart to HDMI looks better.
I just care to get rid of those vertical lines when I stream cuz' I cannot see them on my tv but for some reason, I can on the streaming screen and I've tried a lot of ways to get rid of it. Heck, may Atari is behaving better than my NES is and idk how that's possible. My Colecovision probably behaves similarly but I've been having issues with my NES more than my other consoles. So I'd like to try your method before I think of hiring someone to do the soldering stuff.
Well said, and even with the more expensive ones; good luck with then seeing 240p. It is a gamble when you deal with these scalers. XRGB Mini is to expensive for most gamers and going up in price.
Best video of this product on RUclips. Well demonstrated and great understanding of its use. Last ting I want to see was another unboxing of a box video. Great job.
This is the information I was looking for on the NES.. your the only one that made a NES video with proper comparison.. but I think ima end up Modding it. Just because I can still see the artifacts on the VA to scart.. good video.
Man, thank you so much for this video. I've been trying to figure how to get a better picture on my hdtv for a long time now without modding my console. You da man! 😉🤘
There's more than just an amplifier in the cable converter. There's an adaptive noise filter that blends neighboring pixels that are close enough in color.
Just brought a Framemeister, the cheap HD Video HDMI to Scart converter, and the "labeled NES" AV to Scart cable. The NES Scart cable only works the HD HDMI to Scart converter. With the Framemeister, only the audio works, and the screen stays black. The visual from the HD converter is still a great improvement over the regular Nintendo av connector .
If you are using a SCART cable, you will see a faint checkerboard effect on most in-game graphics. It beats the blurriness of composite pixel graphics though!
The French NES consoles had "RGB" SCART output. It's even labelled as "RGB" at the back of the console.
But it's nowhere near true RGB quality. It's more like a Composite to RGB conversion.
Interesting thanks
Yes, it's just the same composite signal, routed through a multi-out connector. This was done to comply with TV standards in France at the time.
I use one of those cheap upscalers for all my RGB video capture, its not bad but I wish I could afford a Framemeister. Also those S-video to SCART adapters are nice, I use it to upscale/ capture S-Video out put from 3DO
for the price they work pretty good
They also made a variant of the NES SCART A/V cable with two RCA connectors instead of three:
coolnovelties.co.uk/coolnovelties/nintendo-nes/71-nintendo-nes-scart-av-cable.html
So systems like the NES and the N64 that don't suport a RGB signal, will still have a better image over a native scart cable (not composite to scart converter) ? Even when I don't use the upscaler? (PAL)
You should also add the total cost to do the set up featured in the video.
Daisy chaining all those converters together has got to add latency. For those that dont like emulation or using a bunch of chinese converters and cables, save yourself the hassle and hdmi mode your nes.
I agree, but not because of latency. The RGB mod or UltraHDMI mod might be expensive, but the video quality is SO much better. The problem with UltraHDMI is they can't keep their modded boards in stock. I can't wait until I can get an NES fully refurbished (caps replaced, 72 pin connector replaced, etc.) and modded to HDMI so I can play all my favorite games from when I was a kid on my HDTV. I actually want to do a whole set-up: NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, Dreamcast... Everything all in one place, hooked up to the TV via a switch > receiver. It won't be cheap, but once everything is set up, it will just be a matter of putting in a game, powering on, hitting a button on the switch and go. No futzing around with cables, etc.
Yo dude, if you're still watching comments, check out Retrotink 2x Multiformat. It does wonders for the NES system filtering noise from composite source. I'd also recommend you get better composite cables, like improved shielding and thickness, analog sources are demanding, lol, one could never be too sure. No need to rely on my opinion on R2X-M either, check RetroRGB review.
Need HELP! for better picture quality on ps2,n64,gamecube my TV only has HDMI sockets and composite and a VGA whats best to try and get picture quality upscaled some way?
For the PS2 you can use Component or Scart cables.. and for the 64 you can Use the S video. That's as high as it goes.
i really like the scart to hdmi, one question how much lag it haves?
Cables never have any lag.. all cables have an original signal, whether is an RGB signal or composite through scart.. the lag is actually on the converter box. But if you have a hood tv with Game mode it eliminates most of the lag if any.. I run all my retro games on a 65" Q led. No issues what so ever.
something is up here..
there should be no difference between the two.
btw the scart converter handles the signal better than the other converter.
The difference is down to how each converter it butchering the signal. The SCART to HDMI converter is adding too much brightness. The other converter looks better.
no the SCART to HDMI converter has the pixels in the right place, besides too much brightness can be digitally altered easily by the way that Other converter it just looks worse due to how the horizontal lines of pixels are handled if you noticed there are pixels that are off to the left on the blocks and it looks really strange and abnormal something that is NOT supposed to happen and DOES not happen on real CRTs
and since your using an HDTV to begin with you can just reduce the Brightness for it on the TV, the brightness can be fixed with hardware modifications if you're that bothered, but obviously you should just use your TV settings and video editor to fix it.
TheKHfan358over3d well at least I'm not the only crazy person who thinks the scart converter looks better lol. I just turn brightness down on tv and it looks fine. When I captured it I couldn't adjust brightness so that's how bright it is to start with.
any way to reduce the brightness of this converter?
Not on the converter but when playing on my tv i can just turn the brightness down. When i capture the gameplay i don't have a way to adjust brightness unfortunately .
8 Bit Flashback in my case I use this converter with N64 RGB modded and is too bright with RGB, Im waiting from china this s-video/composite to scart. To find out if the brightness problem is caused by the RGB mod or the converter
Yes, you can adjust the brightness on the converter, read my reply further up to see how.
Just to clarify to anyone that is confused why there is a visual difference between the 2. It's the HDMI converters. They are both utter garbage. The SCART to HDMI converter especially as it butchers not only the brightness of the signal, but adds a considerable amount of input lag (more noticeably with 480i content)
If you want to fix the overblown brightness on the SCART to HDMI converter, open it up, remove the 75ohm SMD resistors on the R, G, B and Composite video input signals, and install a 500ohm potentiometer on the R, G, B, and Composite video SCART pins, then you can manually adjust the resistance and tweak the brightness to your liking.
These converters are utter trash otherwise. I've done extensive testing on the SCART to HDMI converter, and could not get any kind of satisfactory quality from it. It just a piece of crap. A much better solution would be the GBS8200 with custom firmware, although it only supports RGB so you'd be out of luck for your NES, unless you modded it.
AndehX thanks for info but to say it's garbage is just exaggerating. This scart converter works great on my genesis and saturn and i have no lag issues. Not everyone can afford a $300 converter to make everything completely perfect.
for playing game consoles, it's a bottom of the barrel converter, really. It does the job, sure, but its bearly a step up from simply connecting your consoles directly to your TV. Infact, with the SCART to HDMI converter, I would rather plug my console directly into the TV, at least the brightness doesn't get completely destroyed.
Having said that, if you have consoles that can output RGB, the GBS8200 is by far the best solution for the price. Paired with an Arduino or even better, and ESP8266, you can get near Framemeister upscaling, for less than $30.
Oh and if you're interested in adding potentiometers to that HDMI converter to control the brightness, I threw together an image to show you how to wire them up:
www.dropbox.com/s/9tn5r69sihrurwe/board-1-cropped.jpg?dl=0
AndehX How it's works with potentiometers?
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Can you use this on crt TV
You don't need any adapter for an old CRT TV, just plug in the console through its Scart connection and play :)
@@FlyingCsongor lucky I wish have room and money for Sony CRT TV and eliminate all the pain and of buying adaptor and converter
@@FlyingCsongor So systems like the NES and the N64 that don't suport a RGB signal, will still have a better image over a native scart cable (not composite to scart converter) ? Even when I don't use the upscaler? (PAL)
@@Tomtycoon I think so. But I'm also not an expert, I just connected the NES with an old B&O CRT TV with an ordinary scart cable and it looked great :)
I ordered one from china, and it says no signal
Avoid anything that days it comes from china. China has very poor quality controll over their external Scart to HDMI boxes