It's hard to trust any research done in a country where it's legal for corporations to bribe scientists. Personally, I just go for the Twoface diet where I flip a coin for every controversial food and hope it works out.
@@margodphd Nobody who hopped on the anti-seed oil bandwagon has ever been in a lab or seen a paper in their life. These are the same people who think soy raises estrogen, yet will drink milk and beer
Even when you use it everywhere it's rarely excess, so long as you count your calories it's incredibly unlikely you'll over consume seed oils unless you're damn near drinking the damn things
And? Someone sharing knowledge doesn’t mean that they have to choose to abide by that knowledge. Teachers teach about hitler but don’t abide by his rules
@Tate_Cunningham Your comparison is pretty off-base, lol. We’re talking about health advice, not historical lessons on atrocities. If someone is preaching about living a healthy life but looks like they're about to pop a vein from poor health choices, it’s fair to call that out. Teaching history and promoting health are completely different. No one expects a history teacher to follow the beliefs of all the figures they teach about, but if you're promoting health, you should at least look or live healthy.
I love how people give these mechanistic explanations for why seed oils are bad for you. But when we look at the research, they're fine. You can make an argument for anything being bad using mechanisms. For example, exercise causes oxidative stress in multiple parts of the body, massively increases stress hormone levels, carries a large injury risk and can disrupt sleep if done too late in the day. But guess what, it's one of the healthiest things you can do
a lot of it comes from the way the fast food industry uses seed oils... Some seed oils are heavily regulated in Europe, but not in the US, so there is evidence to say that they are healthy, but calling them all unhealthy would not be correct either... If everyone did a little research on the particular oil you'll find yourself not using most of them and using some of them sparingly. Or You could just cook at home with avocado oil and not worry about anything.
@@charlotte3201 I am clinically diagnosed with autism as a result of replacing butter with seed oil for 7 months (i didn't actually and haven't, but I am self-diagnosed prior to this lie)
*there is evidence to say they are unhealthy, particularly with regular use. Got to look at each oil, and make your own decision. He's also right, a lot of seed oils are used in crap foods like potato chips, McDonald's, etc
@@theMightywooosh The U.S began completely phasing out seed oils containing trans fats nearly 4 years ago now, so no, you're fine in both continents. And a lot of recent research shows seed oils have positive impacts on health markers, so not sure what you're talking about really
It’s hard for me to pinpoint how or why but I got nothing from listening to this guy speak. It was almost as if he was about to finish saying something multiple times, but never did.
Consider something like avocado oil instead. Not because olive is unhealthy, but it has a low smoke point and is better as a cold oil for salad dressing or marinades.
Most olive oil is like 10-20% olive oil with mostly some other vegetable oil so make sure you’re not buying the cheapest stuff. There’s a reason they make the bottles green tinted instead of clear because they don’t want you to see what it actually looks like before buying it.
Real olive oil should be on the thicker side and not watery unless it’s really warm then it’s harder to tell. or use avocado oil if you want to be sure it’s real because it’s easier to tell
One of the only long term double blind RTC studies ever done that actually compared animal fats vs processed seed oils found that you didn’t start seeing a difference in health outcomes until about 10 years out from the initiation of seed oils to the diet. It apparently takes a LONG time for these changes to take effect which makes sense. My hypothesis is that our cells will incorporate the fatty acid ratios we consume into their cell and organelle walls over time. If you eat mostly saturated fats, you get cell membranes that are robust and resistant to oxidative stress. If you eat mostly seed oils, your cells will have more of their structure composed of material that easily oxidizes and gets destroyed. A difference like this would essentially make you age faster if you eat more seed oils as simply producing and using ATP generates oxidative stress in the cells and your membranes would be less able to handle the “heat stress” of their own engines running.
It’s simple, seed oils in isolation aren’t bad. But when you start messing with your omega 3 to 6 ratio, that’s what’s bad. And seed oils have a ton of omega 6. Clear research on omega 6 excess being toxic for the body
Everyone seems to think the government should determine whether beef lard or vegetable oil is best to fry foods in, why would the government have a purpose in this discussion?
@@maxmusterman-yr5mqyou can wait around for a bureaucrat to care for you if you want, I prefer self determination and my own research on the subject. Obviously, the food pyramid the government pushed for years is factually incorrect. The government actually claimed butter and eggs were bad for you. Now scientists are saying margarine is far worse than butter used in moderation. The cholesterol in an egg isn’t bad for you either, in fact, an egg is almost a perfect food. You seem to be rather confused about what has taken place in the national diet.
@@toddknode752 i understand you have an opinion and you're free to express it but if it's stupid just move on. the main purpose of the government is to protect its citizens, people vote in the most bs spewing politician that promises them a better living.
The govt along with corporations pushed the bullshit narrative that seeds oils are healthy/ animals fats are bad for literally the last 50 years. Where you been bro?
It’s much easier for people to point to one boogeyman to blame rather than assessing their lifestyle as a whole. It’s all the fault of seed oils or sugar. Nothing to do with the fact that most people eat like pigs and don’t exercise at all.
The problem is low quality food is in abundance and people overeat low quality food. It just so happens that low quality food is also ultra processed and loaded with seed oils, artificial sweeteners and flavors, and just unnecessary calories. I think if you’re eating high quality, whole foods that are minimally processed, you’re also naturally going to avoid seed oils.
This is really all there is to it. If you wanted to, I have a strong suspicion that you could 1-for-1 replace olive oil in your diet (in salads, recipes, etc) with seed oils and if you were eating well before and continue to eat the same just with that substitution, you would not experience any negative outcomes (unless you are specifically allergic to seed oils). It would taste worse, but you would be fine. They're just in everything because they are inexpensive to procure as opposed to better oils like olive or avocado.
There's no evidence that seed oils are bad for you. Being processed doesn't mean something is bad for you, protein powder is the most processed food there is, so I guess you better cut that out if you think processed automatically means bad
There is really no evidence to suggest artificial sweeteners are “bad” for you. Also its mostly about overconsumption so seed oils are fine, just dont over eat
@@heyselice This is exactly it, it's like how ultra processed food is high in sodium. That doesn't mean that sodium is bad for you and shouldn't be eaten, it's almost entirely unrelated and a non sequitur
He says within the first minute of the video we see a decrease in ApoB when replacing saturated fat with mono or poly unsaturated fats, with no increase in inflammation markers
Avoid them if possible, but if you cook with once in awhile it's not the end of the world. And they all are not created equal... Too much to go into on that. Biggest problem is fast food restaurants reuse the same oil for days or weeks and the oil gets rancid, plus there's a molecular change from re-heating the same oil over and over again, that makes it even worse for your body.
How is it only "ultra-processed foods" are dangerous but not the seed oils? We've seen those videos of them extracting the oils, what the hell is more "processed" than that?
Look pufa's are very prone to oxidation, and the process of extracting the oil from the seed requires heat and this heat oxidises the oil. That's why you see people recommending "cold pressed" oil because heat is not used in the extraction of those oil. Oxidised oil is linked to everything from heart disease, diabetes to cancer ALL OIL IS BAD, if you want to have fats eat the whole seeds instead of their oils.
ultraprocessed foods are cheap, extremely easy to consume, and tasty. The processing alone is not the cause of the poor outcomes from consumption, it is the overconsumption of calorically dense foods w/ poor nutrient profiles in general. He's saying that seed oils are correlated with poorer outcomes, but more than likely secondary to the confounder of higher consumption in an overall worse diet. Studies attempting to control for confounders found little to no evidence of harm from those who just had a higher seed oil consumption
I dont need to deep dive into research anymore when it comes to seed oils. They make me sick literally. Even if I have one meal a week containing seed oils I have instant problems.
Worrying about things like seed oils is a privilege for the rich. There are too many health nerds these days. In 2016, every dude used to drink beer, eat big and pump iron. Now people say things like “no amount of alcohol is good for you” “you can’t eat this, can’t eat that”
I see in my hood guys that eat shit all day, and get fuck up the weekends and have better results than the scientist gym bro that talk about avoid plastic and use creatine 😂
Ideally you shouldn't be eating a ton, because they only real way to overconsume them is to eat unhealthy, pre-packaged foods. But using canola oil or something to cook with when you need a high smoke point and don't want to use lard or clarified butter is fine. There are people out there that think eating 2 tbsp a week will have serious health effects.
@@bdog2200 yep, and the only way to do that is to eat mainly fast food and such (or to just drink canola oil, yum). But there are plenty of people like Ray Peat fans that legit believe even small amounts are going to harm you. Very silly stuff.
Nice to see people slowly moving towards rationality, nuance and balance... however, it's unfortunate that these type of videos will never go viral because they aren't polarizing, demonizing and outlandish
This videonis entirely cope... seed oil are non existant in nature, there for they are processed and we arent supposed to eat them. And carb intake, even a small amount of 20g per day has show to cause cerebral inflammation.
I think the issue with seed oils is just seeing how they are extracted and its high usage rate in fast food. Watched "Nutrition made simple" talking about whether or not seed oils are bad, the resounding answer is no from the various case studies done on it and the multiple ways we consume it (via the oil being heated, cooked repeated like in fast food places, normal version), the research says even with all the omega 6's non of the inflammatory markers go up, and instead in some studies they go down. In most of these cases the pool of people ate a tablespoon of said oil a day, this is about 100g of seed oils (given the avg density of the seed oil is .9). So if anything really to take away from seed oils, its fine for the average human to consume in a (confirmed) range below 100gs a week. And at the end of the day cook with what you prefer, if you dont like em you can use avacado or coconut or whatever non seed oil you want, just know if you eat that big mac from mcy d's youll be fine and not be taking 5 years off your life. if you didnt like seed oils to start you prob still wont be after seeing people talk about them, very few people really change their mind on these foods when their already biased (against or for), and there's nothing wrong with that since its your opinion and your body. The issue only arrises when youre just out right doing harm (like eating fast food everyday or sugary snacks).
@@Lewis-me7jr exactly. there are studies that compare higher sugar/ seed oil diets with other diets while keeping the calories the same. why is no one talkinf about those? because they domt showmsignificant differences
@@nemil238 people refuse to believe it because it’s easier to believe in some nefarious conspiracy by the food industry than to accept that the majority of our country is made up of people addicted to the constant dopamine hit of calorie dense foods.
The question of CVD is also very much a question of overnutrition. When I am rocking my 10-12 % bodyfat, eating healthy, getting my micronutrients covered, doing my workouts, it doesn't really matter if I get a bit more saturated fats than I would have otherwise. When the body is at equilibrium, the energy goes to the right place. We are discussing what foods are most unhealthy, when a male is over 15% bodyfat. We should discuss on how to get males below 15%. (I am 55, TRT+, having more or less same all round physical and mental function as when I was 28. I had better VO2 max and Power then, but I am stronger and have better Mobility and Flexibility now. From 60lb overweight, IR, bad cholesterol, to all markers except hemoglobin B being in perfect range).
I think seed oils are unnecessary in a human diet, but unless you are over consuming seed oils on a consistent basis and high heating them, some seed oil consumption isn’t going to metabolically wreck you like some of these influencers claim they will.
@@mattk7903yes, seed oils are extremely energy dense and are almost in every commercially available generic food, so that’s generally a problem with individuals over consuming seed oils in their diets. Like other energy dense foods such as cheeses and nuts, it doesn’t take much consumption for calories to quickly add up, especially if they are spiced up to make them hyper-palatable.
Answer: Yes. They contain insane amounts of Omega 6. Usually oxidized on top of that. That's the problem. Humas never had access to foods like that during evolution. It causes havoc in the body.
One of the biggest issues as well with seed oils is even how the oil is extracted, the entire process screws up the fats. Cold pressed oils avocado, coconut, olive etc. and animal fats are best.
The issue with this mentality is that it implies it's unhealthy BECAUSE it's a seed oil. Not all seed oils are equally bad, and there are non-seed oils which are terrible for you as well.
@@tonys7524you don't want free radicals in your body. I've known some restaurants that reuse oil to save money and they become even more oxidized. The free radicals you just put in you with the reused oil horrendous
@@tonys7524 Some are worse than others for sure. But none of them are good for you. Too much Omega 6. Seed oils didnt exist during our evolution. None of the foods we ate looked anything like that in composition.
Answer: no Actual research and not internet information has shown that there is no major difference between seed oils and other oils. Obviously its unhealthy if you eat a good amount, so is any other oil lmao.
Easiest way to put it is.. if there are less processed variations that you have access to, go off your preferences. Removing seed oils and corn syrup from mine and my wifes diet instantly saw us losing weight, cutting fake sugars from my diabetic friends diets showed blood glucose level improvements over just a few months, using natural sweets rather than processed sweeteners... If its what YOU prefer, do it. I will basically always be on the side of 'what's more natural' in basically any context.
just remember - vegetable oils have tons and tons of estrogen. Basically nothing has more estrogen than vegetable oils - maybe soy has more. The guest in this episode is so stupid. "calories in calories out" - yeah, but what about growing bitch-tits cuz of your 'calories in calories out'?`
@@taylorhillard4868For the seed oil nuts, fish is often high in mercury. You can get heavy metal poisoning from natural sources. "Natural" means nothing.
Cardiolipin levels in cells where vegetables oils are present in the diet are so much lower than is required for normal functioning of the mitochondrion, not to mention the polyunsaturated fatty acid, linoleic acid is literally impossible to breakdown, leading to it being stored as adipose tissue, animal fats are what we should be cooking with, if you need a high smoke point oil for cooking and don’t want to do vegetable oils, clarified butter is the best alternative, as it allows for high temp cooking, and contains all the necessary glycerides your body needs to function at its best, but no, we have no imperical data to show any of that.
I don't know the science behind it but when I consume oils such as: vegetable oil, soybean oil, peanut oil, sunflower oil, and especially canola oil my joint swell for days, I'm in terrible pain, my chest hurts and my right hand swells up. Idk what is doing it but ever since I replaced those I no longer have the problem.
Why even bother with using seed oils when you can just use another type of oil, that is healthy, like avocado oil or olive oil and then you don't have to worry about it. Problem is fast food industry loves this stuff, so you get a double whammy of horrible food, cooked in week old oil, that's been reheated a hundred times. Look at the nutrition in french fries... 400 calories of nothing. Of course things like potato chips, come on guys... If you work out, you know what's up.
Its not that oil made from corn or canola or soy is bad because its from corn, canola, and soy. The concern is the refining process such oils are put through to make them shelf stable. Acacado seed oil is also typically refined- total scam to market it as being healthier than corn or w.e just bc its from avocado seed. The idea is to go for unrefined, cold pressed oils- natural oils will spoil and have a strong taste. Refined oils will last much longer and are mearly tasteless.
I like to fry Beignets or green tomatoes in beef Tallow or lard. I believe it comes out as a better product. Not because of health, but because of the texture. That being said... the best oil (whatever that is) when used to fry has lost its title to be called healthy. But my goto oils are avocado, beef tallow, olive oil, lard, and peanut oil if you're frying a turkey for Thanksgiving.
Yes they are, and if you consume a ratio of omega 6-3 that is too large you can develop precancerous cells, they also interfere with hormones and your gut microbiome
This is a tough one....seed oils are more processed so opportunity for contamination, seeds oils are the go to for cost in processed foods, cooking with seed oil is done cause it is cheaper but always degrades faster.
It's nice seeing these guys come onto derek's podcast and say nice things about each other but why don't they just have a 2-hour discussion with mild preparation on such topics on their own podcasts?
Many people just find it easier to discuss things as a conversation than as a one person presentation. I think people forget this in an era when you can watch video essays all day. Not that that’s bad, it’s just some people are better at one or the other.
@@nomad583 no seriously. I try my best to do semen retention, but I always relapse when I say I’m just going to edge while looking at some type of videos. Tbh it feels like I still keep the effects when I consume my ejaculate. I eat very healthy so I figure it has to be good for me in someway
People will remain fat while chasing these kid of fads. Individuals who are not susceptible to this will struggle to understand: by and large, it seems that humans are magnitudes more receptive to being told not to eat something specific in order to lose weight than being told to eat less. They refuse to eat less unless you can trick them into it somehow.
Here is another personal anecdote: when I was eating PUFA like a standard American I got the worse sunburn of my life. Since switching to a high SFA/low PUFA diet, I cannot give myself a sunburn even with hours and hours of sun exposure.
Layne Norton a normie. His opinion is that of a regular dietician who gets paid to promote mainstream media health advice. Layne: “Wear your mask!” “Stay at home, save lives”. “Avoid saturated fat and eat canola oil”. Meh
the seed oils are easily oxidized and oxygen is highly reactive! Some information about Tocotrienols providing some protection for this is out there. There is also the question of seed oils that are used in cell membranes leading to less pliability. This would be a real problem for RBCs. Lastly, Prestigeous journals are publishing more and more junk studies with confounding factors and conflicting data.
@davidshmavid5 based on research, trying lots of different dietary approaches and 36 blood tests in the last 6 years. But you can call it a hunch if you like.
@davidshmavid5 Neither mate. Personally, I'm High protein, low fat, high carb. Most of my fat is animal based. I have no issues with low carb though, whatever you can stick to the best. Diet is primarily red meat, eggs, fruit, rice , oats, whey and some veg. More in line with Stans vertical diet.
@@tuckstar ok, the current evidence shows that seed oils in and of themselves are not inherently bad for you. The issue comes from the fact that seed oils are typically used to make highly processed foods as well as deep fried foods. These foods are highly palatable, promote overeating and potentially elevated levels of body fat, which comes with the risk of developing obesity-related diseases. In addition, oils are calorie dense themselves, so they could potentially put you in a calorie surplus. If you use seed oils in moderation to cook food, etc., there is no current evidence that doing so will negatively affect your health. Alternatively, if you use animal sources of fat (saturated fats) in processed and fried foods, then the same aforementioned issues could arise if you overeat these. However, animal fats do come with a unique risk for developing heart disease by raising LDL cholesterol. But again, eaten in moderation alongside an overall healthy diet, while maintaining a healthy body weight, the effect can probably be minimized.
Seems like he’s ignoring the literal process of ultra high heat processing, bleaching, etc. obviously you can cold press raw olives and have good olive oil. This is a dumb take by Stan. Gun lubricant is not healthy to eat..
Evidence, give me evidence. You can say all this and yeah it reads nice "heating, bleaching, gun oil". Where are you getting the evidence of these oils consumed in moderation having detrimental health impacts on the majority of people who consume them and what are the mechanisms of action.
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Wait so seed oils are good because “the dose makes the poison” essentially, spiking your blood sugar is fine because some guy did it for 30 days and lost weight? And then to say it comes down to calories? Yeah people can do a lot of ridiculous things for 30 days, but nobody on the planet can just eat high sugar foods that spike your blood pressure, lose weight, and still intake anywhere near the nutrients your body need. So seed oils aren’t bad it’s the highly processed foods that people eat them with? Are we now saying seed oils aren’t in the category of highly processed? And if essentially every “highly processed” food contains seed oils and nobody is just drinking seed oil by itself or adding it for flavor, what is the point of it? At what point in a meal would we reasonably add a significant amount of seed oil that would be “good” for you? This makes absolutely no sense
You are not nearly as logical as you seem to think, the sugar thing is just showing that weight loss is not mediated by blood sugar that much and for seed oils if you can't picture a situation where you can eat olive oil without fast-food that's a you/cooking problem. If you ever cook you'll find that many many people use canola, olive, "vegetable", oils to cook. These are the types of things that would be good for you no doubt. Fast food is bad because it's junk nutrients not because of the seed oil. Separating those two is your problem to solve
@@connorking984 We all know that "weight loss" is mediated by calories in vs calories out, but human behavior and hunger signals are not a math equation that only pertains to calories. In a controlled test environment sure you can lose weight even only eating sugar, but nobody lives in a test environment so what is the relevance of some person "spiking" their blood sugar and still losing weight over a month.
Seed oils are just the cheapest source of cooking oils, which then becomes the common ingredient in fat fried and baked goods also loaded with added sugars. The obsession with the seed oils themselves is the mistake. The "inflammation" they supposedly cause is not well studied and the inflammation itself doesn't correlate closely with symptoms. It's just the most convenient ingredient to create junk food. There's nothing special about it.
Common sense says they are dangerous. Like margarine, which is a synthetic fat that does not exist anywhere in nature. Seed oils exist because they are abundant and incredibly cheap to produce. Hence, processed food manufacturers love the stuff, tasteless, odorless, dirt cheap, etc. CANOLA is an acronym for Canadian Oil Low Acid. Industry took the (not fit for humab consumption) Rapeseed and modified it for human consumption.
Do you take medicine when you are sick? Every meal you cook creates chemical compounds you wouldn't find anywhere in nature either. Most of the stuff we eat is genetically modified, from fruits to veg to animal products. You have to live on a raw diet if you want to avoid eating "synthetic" stuff. You do realize margarine isn't full of trans-fats anymore because of scientifical improvements like interesterification and complete hydrogenation.
@@Nic-San Hydrogenation takes advantage of the fact that seed oils are prone to oxidation. In this case, hydrogen is used to stabilise the oil and give it a similar consistency to butter at room temperature. Yes, I am aware of the lack of trans fats. The two crucial issues with margarine are that it's a synthetic product that is modified to look like butter, and it is also flavored to make it more palatable. The second issue is the very high linoleic acid content. In other words, it's very high in polyunsaturated fat, which is marketed as being healthy. A diet high in LA has a profound negative impact on one's health. All well documented.
@@LonelyTreeSunset thanks for letting me know how hydrogenation works again. Your first issue says almost nothing plus most margarines have added Omega-3. Second: linoleic acid is an essential fatty acid your body needs anyway. There is no clear evidence that a high intake of linoleic acid in a typical Western diet directly leads to inflammatory diseases (source: Harvard Medical School). In fact, a balanced ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acids can have anti-inflammatory properties and promote heart health. Even the American Heart Association recommends eating margarine over butter in most cases. I'm not saying you should eat buckets of margarine. Almost anything has a negative impact if consumed in large quantities.
If you think APOB is causal then I can see the logic here. Its been said that its necessary but not causal (Paul S./Peter A.). It appears that the heating up of vegetable oils, where it then oxidizes, it then is bad for you. In its raw form it seems fine.
The war on seed oils is a little silly-- sunflower seed oil or peanut oil is not killing you, and there's not significant data showing an increased associated morbidity or mortality with their consumption. It's just trendy at this point to demonize them lol
Derek seems more like a businessman and less like a RUclipsr ever since he started Guerrilla Mind. He is on other people's RUclips channels more than he is making fresh content for his.
I’ve been around this game long enough to see the how the industry flip flops. There’s nothing inherently bad as long as it’s of decent quality and not in excess.
It could be some considerable time (or never) before nutritional science and epidemiological studies to become reliable enough to tell me whether a foodstuff is guaranteed safe or not, so I use other ways of making that decision. At the moment I look at whether it is a naturally occurring substance, or whether it is produced via a process of industrial extraction, and I avoid the latter. So for the time being I will not be eating seed oils.
The main research on seed oils is in the case of overheated, repeatedly used oil as in the case of fast food restaurants. Cooking with a seed oil at home, as long as you don't reach smoking point, is not harmful.
@@iancanada6875 Expeller pressing, as is common in most seed oils, reaches highs up to 210°F. Most stove top cooking is done at 325°F-400°F Get off the carnivore/keto subreddits
Ultra processed foods are bad ok. But what are seed oils? Multiple processes of high temp high pressure extraction are needed for them to be extracted... they are the definition of ultra processed.
You heard some guy on the internet say seed oils are bad for you and believed him despite there being no solid evidence to back it up, you're a sheep lol.
There’s literally like one whole study about seed oils being bad and people just ran with it lmao. I’m not saying they’re good but there’s just not enough evidence to be so focused on such a minor inconsequential issue.
The seed oil debate smells just like the egg debate or the suger vs fat debate. It's so easy to avoid them and the alternatives are far superior in every way including cost, so there's no reason to just avoid them until 20-40 years in the future we know exactly what their long term effects are. The pro-seed oil people come off as using the argument as a stand-in for broader politics. They're mad that you aren't arbitrarily agreeing with the mainstream consensus, not that you choose to avoid a specific food type.
It's actually the opposite, and people who are against seed oil usually pair it with political ideas (like how the government, the food industry and whoever else are specifically trying to hurt people). Meanwhile, nobody is really pro seed oil. There are people who are against it, and there are people who say you can just eat whatever. Nobody is specifically telling you to eat more seed oil.
@@someguycalledcerberus9805 It doesn't have to be paired with political ideas. Seeds oils are just much cheaper to produce than higher quality oils. It's really that simple, you could argue there's something wrong with cutting costs as much as possible for maximum profit but that's the way the world works. Perhaps there should be more regulation like there already is with trans-fats.
Saying that seed oils are unhealthy in excess is like saying that alcohol is unhealthy in excess. That nonsense was peddled for years. NO amount of alcohol is healthy. Similarly, time will show that NO amount of seed oils are healthy.
Part of the point of the video, it’s more than likely the processed junk food making you feel bad which is why demonizing seed oils makes intuitive sense. In reality, it’s simply the cheapest oil so it’s used in nearly all highly processed junk food. That doesn’t necessarily mean that seed oil is inherently unhealthy. If you replaced your canola oil chips with lard chips it’s still very unhealthy. A better experiment would be to cut out ultra processed foods and see if you notice a difference with or without seed oils.
@@Afflictamine Yes but that doesn’t make seed oils bad on its own. If you replaced seed oils in junk food with influencer approved oils/fats then it’s all still junk food just more expensive.
@@VernCrislerdepends. Your tap water could have more microplastics than that in the plastic bottle of water. Plastics start to leech at higher temperature or over longer periods of time. As an engineer we’ve learned about the degradation of plastics and they are stable unless they sit for too long or are subjected to uv or heat for long enough.
@@Mich-jk2ze Tap water is the cleanest water in existence -- subject to government regulation. If you think drinking tap water, or eating and drinking from plastic containers, is toxic, where are the randomized human trials showing that? Right, there are none.
@@VernCrisleryou understand there are more than one country and location on the planet? Certainly tap water isn't healthy everywhere but can contain high amount of lead and other heavy metals. It can also contain other toxins depending on the area.
@@VernCrisler uhh, No tap water is LITERALLY NOT the cleanest water in existence, whut? Come to Las Vegas and enjoy yourself a nice glass of our tap water. I don't even need a lab report to taste the nasty shit in it, it's undrinkable how bad it tastes. In other places the tap water is very good, like Oregon, but technically there is still "cleaner water". I'm 99% sure reverse osmosis water filtering or Icelandic spring water are both way cleaner than tap water without even looking at the lab reports.
I am on a liquid diet due to having issue with eating and I intake no less than 6ozs of sugar a day the most I consume is 8-10 ounces a day in sugar and I do not have diabetes and I do not have high blood sugar also I stay under 12% bf and I’m a bodybuilder
Simple experiment everyone can do, stop eating vegetable oil and replace with olive oil or animal fat and see how you feel. If you feel better, worse or the same you know whether it’s good, bad or neutral. Studies are great but rely on humans being as intelligent as we think we are - we don’t actually understand the body as much as we think we do but we can all understand how we feel day to day.
@@hantrio4327 just because you can produce a thing it doesn’t get essential. That’s logic is wrong And second: you sure? You should some Papers about Essential fatty Acids Defiency, and you will see the the Animals got healthier, extreme stress resistance and were hard to kill. Well, for me that’s sound dass all poly saturated fatty acids are just garbage
@@mosalami1548 Essential nutrient means that the body needs it and can't produce it himself. Polyunsaturated fats are needed for the production of prostaglandins. I just found a study that found that the rats lost their tails and hair when they were deficient in essential fatty acids.
@@hantrio4327 the amount needed to produce enough prostaglandines is like ridiculously low, eating only milk would be more than sufficient to get „enough“ Pufas. Mostly the imbalance Happen due to zinc and vit b6 defiency, but Pufas itself are almost useless, maybe even useless in human, but even a little bit too much of them will make us sick. People discuss Sugar, carbohydrates, proteins etc but it really boils down to pufas and the health crash epidemic.
I had horrific phantom knee and joint pains . Stopped consuming seed oil foods and pain disappeared. Weight or hydration or injury was not a factor . Just my story
High Fructose corn syrup is actually toxic tho. Maybe seed oils are not bad but high fructose is. A good reference is a book called “Pure White and Deadly” that discusses sugar and the development of high fructose corn syrup.
I've been drinking 1L of vegetable oil every day for years.
Carnivore and keto mfs will be like “at least it’s not carbs” after consuming 3000 calories from fat
No keto dosnt promote seed oils @pricklycats
@@pricklycatsThats wrong, we would never eat toxic seed oilds.
@@entername4166 It absolutely does.
I've been drinking 2L of concentrated seed oils a day. Pure Keto, baby.
@@Peatore I like a gallon a day
It's hard to trust any research done in a country where it's legal for corporations to bribe scientists. Personally, I just go for the Twoface diet where I flip a coin for every controversial food and hope it works out.
That's every country
"legal"???
That's not legal, that's considered fraud
Huh? It seems my facility's bribes are being stolen because I haven't seen a dime in decades 😂
@@margodphd Nobody who hopped on the anti-seed oil bandwagon has ever been in a lab or seen a paper in their life. These are the same people who think soy raises estrogen, yet will drink milk and beer
So it’s only bad in excess. But it’s in every fucking food. So it will be consumed in excess lol
And super cheap
Even when you use it everywhere it's rarely excess, so long as you count your calories it's incredibly unlikely you'll over consume seed oils unless you're damn near drinking the damn things
@@spaceghosttoast how much Walmart food would one have to consume to get to an excess amount?
Do you not know the difference between whole and processed foods?
What do you mean "in every food"? It's almost all junk food
STAN LEFT UNLFUSHED DUCK EGG DIARRHEA IN THE GYM BATHROOM
lmao
Wtf
Call that Monster Mash
Nice!!!
@@breathinglead871I’m crying
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sup guys it's Derek from more cope more rope seed oils are good because i cant stop eating american fast food COPEMAXX enjoy living until 58
- sweat dripping of face
- head so fkn red idk wtf going on
- veins popin of his face
- absolutly juiced the fuck up
yeah you look healty bro
*goes to McDonald’s
bro he doesn't even eat seed oils
Yeah why is a steroid user preaching about health
And? Someone sharing knowledge doesn’t mean that they have to choose to abide by that knowledge. Teachers teach about hitler but don’t abide by his rules
@Tate_Cunningham Your comparison is pretty off-base, lol. We’re talking about health advice, not historical lessons on atrocities. If someone is preaching about living a healthy life but looks like they're about to pop a vein from poor health choices, it’s fair to call that out.
Teaching history and promoting health are completely different. No one expects a history teacher to follow the beliefs of all the figures they teach about, but if you're promoting health, you should at least look or live healthy.
I love how people give these mechanistic explanations for why seed oils are bad for you. But when we look at the research, they're fine. You can make an argument for anything being bad using mechanisms. For example, exercise causes oxidative stress in multiple parts of the body, massively increases stress hormone levels, carries a large injury risk and can disrupt sleep if done too late in the day. But guess what, it's one of the healthiest things you can do
Seed oil haters when I show them research with no conflict of interests and they still have a neutral to positive impact on human health: 😰😰😰
a lot of it comes from the way the fast food industry uses seed oils...
Some seed oils are heavily regulated in Europe, but not in the US, so there is evidence to say that they are healthy, but calling them all unhealthy would not be correct either...
If everyone did a little research on the particular oil you'll find yourself not using most of them and using some of them sparingly.
Or You could just cook at home with avocado oil and not worry about anything.
@@charlotte3201 I am clinically diagnosed with autism as a result of replacing butter with seed oil for 7 months (i didn't actually and haven't, but I am self-diagnosed prior to this lie)
*there is evidence to say they are unhealthy, particularly with regular use.
Got to look at each oil, and make your own decision.
He's also right, a lot of seed oils are used in crap foods like potato chips, McDonald's, etc
@@theMightywooosh The U.S began completely phasing out seed oils containing trans fats nearly 4 years ago now, so no, you're fine in both continents. And a lot of recent research shows seed oils have positive impacts on health markers, so not sure what you're talking about really
It’s hard for me to pinpoint how or why but I got nothing from listening to this guy speak. It was almost as if he was about to finish saying something multiple times, but never did.
You never will. He just chats about 'studies' and 'research' and that's it lol. Every video.
classic marker of a shill
I think that was just you
Maybe you should listen more carefully
Its because hes a bro scientist
I primarily cook with Olive oil
I prefer seed oils
Consider something like avocado oil instead. Not because olive is unhealthy, but it has a low smoke point and is better as a cold oil for salad dressing or marinades.
Most olive oil is like 10-20% olive oil with mostly some other vegetable oil so make sure you’re not buying the cheapest stuff. There’s a reason they make the bottles green tinted instead of clear because they don’t want you to see what it actually looks like before buying it.
I only cook with lard, or ghee. Way healthier and more delicious.
Real olive oil should be on the thicker side and not watery unless it’s really warm then it’s harder to tell. or use avocado oil if you want to be sure it’s real because it’s easier to tell
One of the only long term double blind RTC studies ever done that actually compared animal fats vs processed seed oils found that you didn’t start seeing a difference in health outcomes until about 10 years out from the initiation of seed oils to the diet. It apparently takes a LONG time for these changes to take effect which makes sense. My hypothesis is that our cells will incorporate the fatty acid ratios we consume into their cell and organelle walls over time. If you eat mostly saturated fats, you get cell membranes that are robust and resistant to oxidative stress. If you eat mostly seed oils, your cells will have more of their structure composed of material that easily oxidizes and gets destroyed. A difference like this would essentially make you age faster if you eat more seed oils as simply producing and using ATP generates oxidative stress in the cells and your membranes would be less able to handle the “heat stress” of their own engines running.
It’s simple, seed oils in isolation aren’t bad. But when you start messing with your omega 3 to 6 ratio, that’s what’s bad. And seed oils have a ton of omega 6. Clear research on omega 6 excess being toxic for the body
Dumb take
@@AdamParkhurst enlighten me boy
@@AdamParkhurstyou're dumb fam. Just a troll with no research yo back up his claims
Canola oil is a seed oil and has pretty much the perfect Omega 3 to 6 ratio. So how do you rationalize your view then?
@@smaug660 omega 3 being ALA which is 10% bioavailable. 2:1 is also not optimal when you are getting over 20% omega 6😂
Everyone seems to think the government should determine whether beef lard or vegetable oil is best to fry foods in, why would the government have a purpose in this discussion?
because the government is responsible for caring for it's population? or do you have a government that just exists?
@@maxmusterman-yr5mqyou can wait around for a bureaucrat to care for you if you want, I prefer self determination and my own research on the subject. Obviously, the food pyramid the government pushed for years is factually incorrect. The government actually claimed butter and eggs were bad for you. Now scientists are saying margarine is far worse than butter used in moderation. The cholesterol in an egg isn’t bad for you either, in fact, an egg is almost a perfect food. You seem to be rather confused about what has taken place in the national diet.
@@maxmusterman-yr5mq that is not the purpose of government. So you want elected policians in charge of "caring for you"? Really???
@@toddknode752 i understand you have an opinion and you're free to express it but if it's stupid just move on. the main purpose of the government is to protect its citizens, people vote in the most bs spewing politician that promises them a better living.
The govt along with corporations pushed the bullshit narrative that seeds oils are healthy/ animals fats are bad for literally the last 50 years. Where you been bro?
It’s much easier for people to point to one boogeyman to blame rather than assessing their lifestyle as a whole. It’s all the fault of seed oils or sugar. Nothing to do with the fact that most people eat like pigs and don’t exercise at all.
Couldn’t agree more. People are deeply addicted to the dopamine hit they get from gorging themselves on massive quantities of calorie dense foods.
The problem is low quality food is in abundance and people overeat low quality food. It just so happens that low quality food is also ultra processed and loaded with seed oils, artificial sweeteners and flavors, and just unnecessary calories. I think if you’re eating high quality, whole foods that are minimally processed, you’re also naturally going to avoid seed oils.
Just about all foods are processed, except maybe the fish you catch in the river.
This is really all there is to it. If you wanted to, I have a strong suspicion that you could 1-for-1 replace olive oil in your diet (in salads, recipes, etc) with seed oils and if you were eating well before and continue to eat the same just with that substitution, you would not experience any negative outcomes (unless you are specifically allergic to seed oils). It would taste worse, but you would be fine.
They're just in everything because they are inexpensive to procure as opposed to better oils like olive or avocado.
There's no evidence that seed oils are bad for you. Being processed doesn't mean something is bad for you, protein powder is the most processed food there is, so I guess you better cut that out if you think processed automatically means bad
There is really no evidence to suggest artificial sweeteners are “bad” for you. Also its mostly about overconsumption so seed oils are fine, just dont over eat
@@heyselice This is exactly it, it's like how ultra processed food is high in sodium. That doesn't mean that sodium is bad for you and shouldn't be eaten, it's almost entirely unrelated and a non sequitur
My seed
Trans fats
No mine🗿
@@willperkins589 lol my comment was removed. The woke police
What was the actual answer to this title? This guy rambled so much I couldn't follow
The answer was no. Seed oils aren't unhealthy.
answer is yes, they are unhealthy.
He says within the first minute of the video we see a decrease in ApoB when replacing saturated fat with mono or poly unsaturated fats, with no increase in inflammation markers
@@phogelbice did we watch the same video?
Avoid them if possible, but if you cook with once in awhile it's not the end of the world. And they all are not created equal... Too much to go into on that.
Biggest problem is fast food restaurants reuse the same oil for days or weeks and the oil gets rancid, plus there's a molecular change from re-heating the same oil over and over again, that makes it even worse for your body.
How is it only "ultra-processed foods" are dangerous but not the seed oils? We've seen those videos of them extracting the oils, what the hell is more "processed" than that?
4:00 onwards is where he actually admits he was wrong to demonise seed oils given the balance of evidence.
Look pufa's are very prone to oxidation, and the process of extracting the oil from the seed requires heat and this heat oxidises the oil. That's why you see people recommending "cold pressed" oil because heat is not used in the extraction of those oil. Oxidised oil is linked to everything from heart disease, diabetes to cancer
ALL OIL IS BAD, if you want to have fats eat the whole seeds instead of their oils.
So something like milk is bad, is protein powder bad because it's processed in these huge scary machines for you?
@@_espo_5524 milk is for offspring
ultraprocessed foods are cheap, extremely easy to consume, and tasty. The processing alone is not the cause of the poor outcomes from consumption, it is the overconsumption of calorically dense foods w/ poor nutrient profiles in general. He's saying that seed oils are correlated with poorer outcomes, but more than likely secondary to the confounder of higher consumption in an overall worse diet. Studies attempting to control for confounders found little to no evidence of harm from those who just had a higher seed oil consumption
I dont need to deep dive into research anymore when it comes to seed oils. They make me sick literally. Even if I have one meal a week containing seed oils I have instant problems.
Sounds like you're allergic to them like Stan is
@@ginoyesano5649 it’s inflammatory for me to have them. Anything from pimples, water weight and gut inflammation which leads to one too many problems.
You can be sensitive to anything. Some people are allergic to grass. That doesn't make grass evil.
Sounds like a YOU problem, not seed oils at fault
@@CanariasCanariass No they have insane amounts of Omega 6. Which causes all sorts of problems in the body.
Worrying about things like seed oils is a privilege for the rich. There are too many health nerds these days. In 2016, every dude used to drink beer, eat big and pump iron. Now people say things like “no amount of alcohol is good for you” “you can’t eat this, can’t eat that”
I see in my hood guys that eat shit all day, and get fuck up the weekends and have better results than the scientist gym bro that talk about avoid plastic and use creatine 😂
Seed oils have comically absurd omega 6 levels. How is anyone trying to say not minimizing its consumption is good?
Not to mention they are the most processed food that exists. This guy is a random gym bro who succeeded in life and now it's just spitting half truths
flaxseed oil has entered the chat....
Ideally you shouldn't be eating a ton, because they only real way to overconsume them is to eat unhealthy, pre-packaged foods. But using canola oil or something to cook with when you need a high smoke point and don't want to use lard or clarified butter is fine. There are people out there that think eating 2 tbsp a week will have serious health effects.
@handeggchan1057 yeah obviously, I think we're talking people who consume more than 50% of their fat as seed oils
@@bdog2200 yep, and the only way to do that is to eat mainly fast food and such (or to just drink canola oil, yum).
But there are plenty of people like Ray Peat fans that legit believe even small amounts are going to harm you. Very silly stuff.
Nice to see people slowly moving towards rationality, nuance and balance... however, it's unfortunate that these type of videos will never go viral because they aren't polarizing, demonizing and outlandish
This videonis entirely cope... seed oil are non existant in nature, there for they are processed and we arent supposed to eat them. And carb intake, even a small amount of 20g per day has show to cause cerebral inflammation.
I think the issue with seed oils is just seeing how they are extracted and its high usage rate in fast food.
Watched "Nutrition made simple" talking about whether or not seed oils are bad, the resounding answer is no from the various case studies done on it and the multiple ways we consume it (via the oil being heated, cooked repeated like in fast food places, normal version), the research says even with all the omega 6's non of the inflammatory markers go up, and instead in some studies they go down. In most of these cases the pool of people ate a tablespoon of said oil a day, this is about 100g of seed oils (given the avg density of the seed oil is .9).
So if anything really to take away from seed oils, its fine for the average human to consume in a (confirmed) range below 100gs a week. And at the end of the day cook with what you prefer, if you dont like em you can use avacado or coconut or whatever non seed oil you want, just know if you eat that big mac from mcy d's youll be fine and not be taking 5 years off your life.
if you didnt like seed oils to start you prob still wont be after seeing people talk about them, very few people really change their mind on these foods when their already biased (against or for), and there's nothing wrong with that since its your opinion and your body. The issue only arrises when youre just out right doing harm (like eating fast food everyday or sugary snacks).
0:08 already lost me here. correlation like that doesnt mean anything. People are getting fatter because theyre eating more calories.
Bingo. To the tune of roughly 500 calories more per day than the average in 1970. That’s the #1 problem and nothing else is even a close second.
@@Lewis-me7jr exactly. there are studies that compare higher sugar/ seed oil diets with other diets while keeping the calories the same. why is no one talkinf about those? because they domt showmsignificant differences
@@nemil238 people refuse to believe it because it’s easier to believe in some nefarious conspiracy by the food industry than to accept that the majority of our country is made up of people addicted to the constant dopamine hit of calorie dense foods.
Sugar in everything, HF corn syrup, etc
These seed oils make you hungrier. It’s so obvious anything that has them in it you want more of 20 min later
The question of CVD is also very much a question of overnutrition. When I am rocking my 10-12 % bodyfat, eating healthy, getting my micronutrients covered, doing my workouts, it doesn't really matter if I get a bit more saturated fats than I would have otherwise. When the body is at equilibrium, the energy goes to the right place.
We are discussing what foods are most unhealthy, when a male is over 15% bodyfat. We should discuss on how to get males below 15%.
(I am 55, TRT+, having more or less same all round physical and mental function as when I was 28. I had better VO2 max and Power then, but I am stronger and have better Mobility and Flexibility now. From 60lb overweight, IR, bad cholesterol, to all markers except hemoglobin B being in perfect range).
Who asked
I think seed oils are unnecessary in a human diet, but unless you are over consuming seed oils on a consistent basis and high heating them, some seed oil consumption isn’t going to metabolically wreck you like some of these influencers claim they will.
Seems really easy to over consume them because they’re in everything though.
@@mattk7903not if you make your own meal
@@mattk7903yes, seed oils are extremely energy dense and are almost in every commercially available generic food, so that’s generally a problem with individuals over consuming seed oils in their diets. Like other energy dense foods such as cheeses and nuts, it doesn’t take much consumption for calories to quickly add up, especially if they are spiced up to make them hyper-palatable.
Animal fats are unnecessary in a human diet.
@@mattk7903America moment
seed oil turns you into a rainbow
Dust your shelves after you take the stuff off to put the book on.
- Your Mom
Answer: Yes.
They contain insane amounts of Omega 6. Usually oxidized on top of that. That's the problem. Humas never had access to foods like that during evolution. It causes havoc in the body.
One of the biggest issues as well with seed oils is even how the oil is extracted, the entire process screws up the fats. Cold pressed oils avocado, coconut, olive etc. and animal fats are best.
The issue with this mentality is that it implies it's unhealthy BECAUSE it's a seed oil. Not all seed oils are equally bad, and there are non-seed oils which are terrible for you as well.
@@tonys7524you don't want free radicals in your body. I've known some restaurants that reuse oil to save money and they become even more oxidized. The free radicals you just put in you with the reused oil horrendous
@@tonys7524 Some are worse than others for sure. But none of them are good for you. Too much Omega 6. Seed oils didnt exist during our evolution. None of the foods we ate looked anything like that in composition.
Answer: no
Actual research and not internet information has shown that there is no major difference between seed oils and other oils.
Obviously its unhealthy if you eat a good amount, so is any other oil lmao.
Easiest way to put it is.. if there are less processed variations that you have access to, go off your preferences. Removing seed oils and corn syrup from mine and my wifes diet instantly saw us losing weight, cutting fake sugars from my diabetic friends diets showed blood glucose level improvements over just a few months, using natural sweets rather than processed sweeteners... If its what YOU prefer, do it.
I will basically always be on the side of 'what's more natural' in basically any context.
Tuna is more natural than whey protein powder. But one is significantly more likely to poison you, and its not the ultra processed one.
Anecdotal evidence is just so damn convincing.....
just remember - vegetable oils have tons and tons of estrogen. Basically nothing has more estrogen than vegetable oils - maybe soy has more. The guest in this episode is so stupid. "calories in calories out" - yeah, but what about growing bitch-tits cuz of your 'calories in calories out'?`
@@taylorhillard4868For the seed oil nuts, fish is often high in mercury. You can get heavy metal poisoning from natural sources. "Natural" means nothing.
@@taylorhillard4868 Whoa there are exceptions to a general guideline???
The way it’s made and the cost per calorie should give the answer. It’s in every ultra processed food.
Cardiolipin levels in cells where vegetables oils are present in the diet are so much lower than is required for normal functioning of the mitochondrion, not to mention the polyunsaturated fatty acid, linoleic acid is literally impossible to breakdown, leading to it being stored as adipose tissue, animal fats are what we should be cooking with, if you need a high smoke point oil for cooking and don’t want to do vegetable oils, clarified butter is the best alternative, as it allows for high temp cooking, and contains all the necessary glycerides your body needs to function at its best, but no, we have no imperical data to show any of that.
I don't know the science behind it but when I consume oils such as: vegetable oil, soybean oil, peanut oil, sunflower oil, and especially canola oil my joint swell for days, I'm in terrible pain, my chest hurts and my right hand swells up. Idk what is doing it but ever since I replaced those I no longer have the problem.
Everyone has a different response to every food, and every chemical. Do what works for you.
it makes my asthma and eczema flare up
My guy you are ALLERGIC. it's not some strange phenomenon you have an ALLERGY
Same i had all kinds of inflammation problems until i cut them out
Why even bother with using seed oils when you can just use another type of oil, that is healthy, like avocado oil or olive oil and then you don't have to worry about it.
Problem is fast food industry loves this stuff, so you get a double whammy of horrible food, cooked in week old oil, that's been reheated a hundred times. Look at the nutrition in french fries... 400 calories of nothing.
Of course things like potato chips, come on guys... If you work out, you know what's up.
Its not that oil made from corn or canola or soy is bad because its from corn, canola, and soy. The concern is the refining process such oils are put through to make them shelf stable. Acacado seed oil is also typically refined- total scam to market it as being healthier than corn or w.e just bc its from avocado seed. The idea is to go for unrefined, cold pressed oils- natural oils will spoil and have a strong taste. Refined oils will last much longer and are mearly tasteless.
The guy on the french fry diet did pretty well.
Cheapest.
I injest seed oils into my moth everyday for a experiment, the moth died.
I like to fry Beignets or green tomatoes in beef Tallow or lard. I believe it comes out as a better product.
Not because of health, but because of the texture.
That being said... the best oil (whatever that is) when used to fry has lost its title to be called healthy. But my goto oils are avocado, beef tallow, olive oil, lard, and peanut oil if you're frying a turkey for Thanksgiving.
Yes they are, and if you consume a ratio of omega 6-3 that is too large you can develop precancerous cells, they also interfere with hormones and your gut microbiome
In fact, Saladino invited Norten for a debate with the latter dodging it like the plague every time. Saladino made a post about this.
aldehydes (4HNE) when heated and contains hexane unheated so yeah they are lol
This is a tough one....seed oils are more processed so opportunity for contamination, seeds oils are the go to for cost in processed foods, cooking with seed oil is done cause it is cheaper but always degrades faster.
It's nice seeing these guys come onto derek's podcast and say nice things about each other but why don't they just have a 2-hour discussion with mild preparation on such topics on their own podcasts?
Many people just find it easier to discuss things as a conversation than as a one person presentation. I think people forget this in an era when you can watch video essays all day. Not that that’s bad, it’s just some people are better at one or the other.
The only seed I'm eating is my own 😋
Cursed
HUH
@@nomad583 no seriously. I try my best to do semen retention, but I always relapse when I say I’m just going to edge while looking at some type of videos. Tbh it feels like I still keep the effects when I consume my ejaculate. I eat very healthy so I figure it has to be good for me in someway
Bro pls
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People will remain fat while chasing these kid of fads. Individuals who are not susceptible to this will struggle to understand: by and large, it seems that humans are magnitudes more receptive to being told not to eat something specific in order to lose weight than being told to eat less. They refuse to eat less unless you can trick them into it somehow.
yes i am going to take health advice from a tomato head with varicose veins in his temple
Here is another personal anecdote: when I was eating PUFA like a standard American I got the worse sunburn of my life. Since switching to a high SFA/low PUFA diet, I cannot give myself a sunburn even with hours and hours of sun exposure.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Nooooooooooooo.
incorrect, if oxidized/cooked free radicals and cancerous
But probably
Nice video! I think it's still a good thing that people are cautious of seed oils as that makes them avoid ultra-processed foods
Layne Norton a normie. His opinion is that of a regular dietician who gets paid to promote mainstream media health advice.
Layne: “Wear your mask!” “Stay at home, save lives”.
“Avoid saturated fat and eat canola oil”. Meh
@@MEN101 layne is a bs nutritionist lol. He says whatever makes him money. He’s all fluff like Stan
He's the GOAT at exploding stupid dietary myths.
You forgot "dump copious amounts of artificial sweeteners on everything you eat because zero calories".
the seed oils are easily oxidized and oxygen is highly reactive! Some information about Tocotrienols providing some protection for this is out there. There is also the question of seed oils that are used in cell membranes leading to less pliability. This would be a real problem for RBCs. Lastly, Prestigeous journals are publishing more and more junk studies with confounding factors and conflicting data.
Beef tallow is great to cook eggs
so nobody is going to mention that mr tomato head is about to explode
I believe seed oils are bad, but it doesn't matter if I'm wrong. Why? Because it stops me eating poor food choices. That's all that matters
You just have a hunch that they're bad? No research or nothing, just vibes?
@davidshmavid5 based on research, trying lots of different dietary approaches and 36 blood tests in the last 6 years. But you can call it a hunch if you like.
@@tuckstar are you a carnivore or low carb proponent?
@davidshmavid5 Neither mate. Personally, I'm High protein, low fat, high carb. Most of my fat is animal based. I have no issues with low carb though, whatever you can stick to the best. Diet is primarily red meat, eggs, fruit, rice , oats, whey and some veg. More in line with Stans vertical diet.
@@tuckstar ok, the current evidence shows that seed oils in and of themselves are not inherently bad for you. The issue comes from the fact that seed oils are typically used to make highly processed foods as well as deep fried foods. These foods are highly palatable, promote overeating and potentially elevated levels of body fat, which comes with the risk of developing obesity-related diseases. In addition, oils are calorie dense themselves, so they could potentially put you in a calorie surplus. If you use seed oils in moderation to cook food, etc., there is no current evidence that doing so will negatively affect your health. Alternatively, if you use animal sources of fat (saturated fats) in processed and fried foods, then the same aforementioned issues could arise if you overeat these. However, animal fats do come with a unique risk for developing heart disease by raising LDL cholesterol. But again, eaten in moderation alongside an overall healthy diet, while maintaining a healthy body weight, the effect can probably be minimized.
Seems like he’s ignoring the literal process of ultra high heat processing, bleaching, etc. obviously you can cold press raw olives and have good olive oil. This is a dumb take by Stan. Gun lubricant is not healthy to eat..
I mean there’s no evidence they’re bad for you, so …
@@regular-thingI use gun lubricant on my ding dong before I go into my girl
Evidence, give me evidence. You can say all this and yeah it reads nice "heating, bleaching, gun oil".
Where are you getting the evidence of these oils consumed in moderation having detrimental health impacts on the majority of people who consume them and what are the mechanisms of action.
If the process makes no difference to the outcomes, then why would he care about it?
@@allytg1 yes heating something to 500 degrees and bleaching it is healthy for you. I wonder why so many people in our society have cancer…
I follow the research. i take my COVID booster every 3 weeks and take a shot of canola oil every morning
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Wait so seed oils are good because “the dose makes the poison” essentially, spiking your blood sugar is fine because some guy did it for 30 days and lost weight? And then to say it comes down to calories? Yeah people can do a lot of ridiculous things for 30 days, but nobody on the planet can just eat high sugar foods that spike your blood pressure, lose weight, and still intake anywhere near the nutrients your body need.
So seed oils aren’t bad it’s the highly processed foods that people eat them with? Are we now saying seed oils aren’t in the category of highly processed? And if essentially every “highly processed” food contains seed oils and nobody is just drinking seed oil by itself or adding it for flavor, what is the point of it? At what point in a meal would we reasonably add a significant amount of seed oil that would be “good” for you?
This makes absolutely no sense
You are not nearly as logical as you seem to think, the sugar thing is just showing that weight loss is not mediated by blood sugar that much and for seed oils if you can't picture a situation where you can eat olive oil without fast-food that's a you/cooking problem. If you ever cook you'll find that many many people use canola, olive, "vegetable", oils to cook. These are the types of things that would be good for you no doubt. Fast food is bad because it's junk nutrients not because of the seed oil. Separating those two is your problem to solve
@@connorking984 We all know that "weight loss" is mediated by calories in vs calories out, but human behavior and hunger signals are not a math equation that only pertains to calories. In a controlled test environment sure you can lose weight even only eating sugar, but nobody lives in a test environment so what is the relevance of some person "spiking" their blood sugar and still losing weight over a month.
Seed oils are just the cheapest source of cooking oils, which then becomes the common ingredient in fat fried and baked goods also loaded with added sugars. The obsession with the seed oils themselves is the mistake. The "inflammation" they supposedly cause is not well studied and the inflammation itself doesn't correlate closely with symptoms. It's just the most convenient ingredient to create junk food. There's nothing special about it.
I don't think the argument was that spiking blood sugar is fine rather that it alone won't make you gain weight. It's definitely not good
The point is that when you want to fry or roast something, seed oils are very healthy to use as cooking oils, and you shouldn't be afraid to use them
Paul Saldino: Heavy Breathing.
Common sense says they are dangerous. Like margarine, which is a synthetic fat that does not exist anywhere in nature. Seed oils exist because they are abundant and incredibly cheap to produce. Hence, processed food manufacturers love the stuff, tasteless, odorless, dirt cheap, etc. CANOLA is an acronym for Canadian Oil Low Acid. Industry took the (not fit for humab consumption) Rapeseed and modified it for human consumption.
Do you take medicine when you are sick?
Every meal you cook creates chemical compounds you wouldn't find anywhere in nature either. Most of the stuff we eat is genetically modified, from fruits to veg to animal products. You have to live on a raw diet if you want to avoid eating "synthetic" stuff. You do realize margarine isn't full of trans-fats anymore because of scientifical improvements like interesterification and complete hydrogenation.
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More BS...gawd I hate the natural foods ideology.
@@Nic-San Hydrogenation takes advantage of the fact that seed oils are prone to oxidation. In this case, hydrogen is used to stabilise the oil and give it a similar consistency to butter at room temperature. Yes, I am aware of the lack of trans fats. The two crucial issues with margarine are that it's a synthetic product that is modified to look like butter, and it is also flavored to make it more palatable. The second issue is the very high linoleic acid content. In other words, it's very high in polyunsaturated fat, which is marketed as being healthy. A diet high in LA has a profound negative impact on one's health. All well documented.
@@LonelyTreeSunset thanks for letting me know how hydrogenation works again. Your first issue says almost nothing plus most margarines have added Omega-3. Second: linoleic acid is an essential fatty acid your body needs anyway. There is no clear evidence that a high intake of linoleic acid in a typical Western diet directly leads to inflammatory diseases (source: Harvard Medical School). In fact, a balanced ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acids can have anti-inflammatory properties and promote heart health. Even the American Heart Association recommends eating margarine over butter in most cases. I'm not saying you should eat buckets of margarine. Almost anything has a negative impact if consumed in large quantities.
If you think APOB is causal then I can see the logic here. Its been said that its necessary but not causal (Paul S./Peter A.). It appears that the heating up of vegetable oils, where it then oxidizes, it then is bad for you. In its raw form it seems fine.
The war on seed oils is a little silly-- sunflower seed oil or peanut oil is not killing you, and there's not significant data showing an increased associated morbidity or mortality with their consumption. It's just trendy at this point to demonize them lol
Seed oils are highly processed inflammatory fats. Super toxic garbage.
Derek seems more like a businessman and less like a RUclipsr ever since he started Guerrilla Mind. He is on other people's RUclips channels more than he is making fresh content for his.
Id take him more serious if he wasnt looking like a damn tomato
Yeah judge people based on their looks, not the content of their words. Great plam
@@Dwhizzle not my fault he looks like his blood pressures through the damn roof
@@AnnoyedGlobe-sf9yo ok cool bro
@@AnnoyedGlobe-sf9yono.. but it is your fault you care and judge information based on his tomato appearance. Missing the point bud!
@connorking984 I get it but I also wouldn't take gym advice from an obese dude
I’ve been around this game long enough to see the how the industry flip flops. There’s nothing inherently bad as long as it’s of decent quality and not in excess.
Why are so many Bodybuilder kids so scared of seed oils 😭😭😭
Gym bro science
Cuz it is shit.
@@besim109AOG it toxic garbage
Bc they have tiny peepees and tinier brains.
go slog down a liter bottle of Crisco dude. its considered GRAS by the FDA. motor oil is good for you
Man we need debate with Santa Cruz
I'll never take food advice from Johnny Sins
If linoleic aicd isn't bad for you, then why is high oleic soybean oil healthier than normal soybean oil?
Only one of 3 mentioned in the conversations is not on steroids lol, and thats Paul Saladino.
It could be some considerable time (or never) before nutritional science and epidemiological studies to become reliable enough to tell me whether a foodstuff is guaranteed safe or not, so I use other ways of making that decision. At the moment I look at whether it is a naturally occurring substance, or whether it is produced via a process of industrial extraction, and I avoid the latter. So for the time being I will not be eating seed oils.
The main research on seed oils is in the case of overheated, repeatedly used oil as in the case of fast food restaurants. Cooking with a seed oil at home, as long as you don't reach smoking point, is not harmful.
the processing of the oil itself will heat it to higher temps than you would ever heat it to when frying
@@iancanada6875 Expeller pressing, as is common in most seed oils, reaches highs up to 210°F. Most stove top cooking is done at 325°F-400°F
Get off the carnivore/keto subreddits
Ultra processed foods are bad ok. But what are seed oils? Multiple processes of high temp high pressure extraction are needed for them to be extracted... they are the definition of ultra processed.
How much did big seed oil pay for him to say this?
Why not discern whether it's true or not based on some evidence-based rebuttal instead of making emotional reactionary accusations
You heard some guy on the internet say seed oils are bad for you and believed him despite there being no solid evidence to back it up, you're a sheep lol.
@@charlotte3201There is a ton of evidence, its toxic and inflammatory, highly processed garbage.
@@tsaryeyed8293I assumed they were being sarcastic tbh but who knows
There’s literally like one whole study about seed oils being bad and people just ran with it lmao. I’m not saying they’re good but there’s just not enough evidence to be so focused on such a minor inconsequential issue.
My coworker believes in conspiracys and takes black seed oil she's buys off Amazon and I'm pretty sure it's meth in a bottle
I went to school for this BS. He moved his stance on seed oil because he was paid to. Seed oils are a big FAT no. Totally lost respect for this guy.
You need enough Omega 3
Not too much Oil overall
Caprylic Acid C8 MCT Oil is kinda good
some Olive Oil is fine
The seed oil debate smells just like the egg debate or the suger vs fat debate. It's so easy to avoid them and the alternatives are far superior in every way including cost, so there's no reason to just avoid them until 20-40 years in the future we know exactly what their long term effects are.
The pro-seed oil people come off as using the argument as a stand-in for broader politics. They're mad that you aren't arbitrarily agreeing with the mainstream consensus, not that you choose to avoid a specific food type.
I don't think pro-seed oil is the mainstream consensus. Seems to me a fairly fringe idea at this point.
It's actually the opposite, and people who are against seed oil usually pair it with political ideas (like how the government, the food industry and whoever else are specifically trying to hurt people). Meanwhile, nobody is really pro seed oil. There are people who are against it, and there are people who say you can just eat whatever. Nobody is specifically telling you to eat more seed oil.
@@someguycalledcerberus9805 It doesn't have to be paired with political ideas. Seeds oils are just much cheaper to produce than higher quality oils. It's really that simple, you could argue there's something wrong with cutting costs as much as possible for maximum profit but that's the way the world works. Perhaps there should be more regulation like there already is with trans-fats.
Can you make a video on the Tren Twins new pre workout, they came out with a whole supplement line
Saying that seed oils are unhealthy in excess is like saying that alcohol is unhealthy in excess. That nonsense was peddled for years. NO amount of alcohol is healthy. Similarly, time will show that NO amount of seed oils are healthy.
No amount of alcohol is healthy....right.
@@VernCrislerit's true, alcohol simply is not good for your body. A little is not bad, who cares live your life, but it's not good
Ooh scary 18 carbon polymers... Ooh double bonds with a lower bond length oohhh
Simple just go no seed oils for 30 days and see how you feel
That means no fast food, or potato chips and junk like that for 30 days
Yeah I don’t see anyway how that could be inaccurate at all.
Part of the point of the video, it’s more than likely the processed junk food making you feel bad which is why demonizing seed oils makes intuitive sense. In reality, it’s simply the cheapest oil so it’s used in nearly all highly processed junk food.
That doesn’t necessarily mean that seed oil is inherently unhealthy. If you replaced your canola oil chips with lard chips it’s still very unhealthy.
A better experiment would be to cut out ultra processed foods and see if you notice a difference with or without seed oils.
@@PinguinoRodriguez-hd8bw the junk food is usually full of seed oils
@@Afflictamine Yes but that doesn’t make seed oils bad on its own.
If you replaced seed oils in junk food with influencer approved oils/fats then it’s all still junk food just more expensive.
@@PinguinoRodriguez-hd8bw strawman argument, I literally didn't say to do that as an alternative
It’s probably just best to eat as naturally as possible.
Eating raw meat is not a good idea.
It's nearly impossible without growing that food yourself.
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Carnivore🤫
What does that even mean
Greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪 Derek.
Love this format. Better than the sauna 🧖♂️
Then again I’d tune in if you were narrating from a park bench lol😂
i lost some respect today
Nobody really cares about your “respect”
The only seed oil that is must hve is Seasame , the MUFA PUFA profile is beter than even olive and cooking will not destroy the nutrient and minerals
And Drink wather from a plastic bottle 😂
Very safe and healthy -- despite all the hysteria about plastics.
@@VernCrislerdepends. Your tap water could have more microplastics than that in the plastic bottle of water.
Plastics start to leech at higher temperature or over longer periods of time. As an engineer we’ve learned about the degradation of plastics and they are stable unless they sit for too long or are subjected to uv or heat for long enough.
@@Mich-jk2ze Tap water is the cleanest water in existence -- subject to government regulation. If you think drinking tap water, or eating and drinking from plastic containers, is toxic, where are the randomized human trials showing that? Right, there are none.
@@VernCrisleryou understand there are more than one country and location on the planet? Certainly tap water isn't healthy everywhere but can contain high amount of lead and other heavy metals. It can also contain other toxins depending on the area.
@@VernCrisler uhh, No tap water is LITERALLY NOT the cleanest water in existence, whut? Come to Las Vegas and enjoy yourself a nice glass of our tap water. I don't even need a lab report to taste the nasty shit in it, it's undrinkable how bad it tastes. In other places the tap water is very good, like Oregon, but technically there is still "cleaner water". I'm 99% sure reverse osmosis water filtering or Icelandic spring water are both way cleaner than tap water without even looking at the lab reports.
Consuming 300 calories of a seed isn't a lot of seeds. Processing oil from seeds isn't natural.
Low quality discussion.
for sure. i keep losing braincells even thinking about this discussion.
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I am on a liquid diet due to having issue with eating and I intake no less than 6ozs of sugar a day the most I consume is 8-10 ounces a day in sugar and I do not have diabetes and I do not have high blood sugar also I stay under 12% bf and I’m a bodybuilder
If you drink it raw probably not. But when you heat it I guess it oxidizes easily
Hey Derek, can we some day get your product in Europe as well?? thank you and keep up with the great content 🙏🏻
Won't ever touch seed oils... Ever
vegetable oils = most estrogen out of any food
@@pupper5580 My brother in Christ, dairy has actual estrogen in it. Meanwhile the only estrogen you're getting from plants are phytoestrogens.
Simple experiment everyone can do, stop eating vegetable oil and replace with olive oil or animal fat and see how you feel. If you feel better, worse or the same you know whether it’s good, bad or neutral. Studies are great but rely on humans being as intelligent as we think we are - we don’t actually understand the body as much as we think we do but we can all understand how we feel day to day.
Fun fact: you won't get nasty sunburns anymore or need to use sunscreen ever again if you don't eat seed oils.
Source: "trust me bro"
What about refined sunflower oils?
High oleic sunflower oil is goated. Almost all monounsaturated and loaded with vitamin E. Shelf stability = no oxidation
Im more shocked by the fact that you even ask/ the question exist. All poly unsaturated fatty acids are unhealthy.
They are literally essential nutrients. Our body can't produce them (at least not from saturated fats)
@@hantrio4327 just because you can produce a thing it doesn’t get essential. That’s logic is wrong
And second: you sure? You should some Papers about Essential fatty Acids Defiency, and you will see the the Animals got healthier, extreme stress resistance and were hard to kill. Well, for me that’s sound dass all poly saturated fatty acids are just garbage
@@mosalami1548 Essential nutrient means that the body needs it and can't produce it himself. Polyunsaturated fats are needed for the production of prostaglandins. I just found a study that found that the rats lost their tails and hair when they were deficient in essential fatty acids.
@@hantrio4327 the amount needed to produce enough prostaglandines is like ridiculously low, eating only milk would be more than sufficient to get „enough“ Pufas. Mostly the imbalance Happen due to zinc and vit b6 defiency, but Pufas itself are almost useless, maybe even useless in human, but even a little bit too much of them will make us sick. People discuss Sugar, carbohydrates, proteins etc but it really boils down to pufas and the health crash epidemic.
I used to be vehemently against seed oils until it became this huge grift online. Now I inject that shit into my veins and my bloodwork improved.
I had horrific phantom knee and joint pains . Stopped consuming seed oil foods and pain disappeared. Weight or hydration or injury was not a factor . Just my story
Your story sounds allergenic
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Smoking rates dropped and obesity went up.
Lack of smoking not seed oils has caused this epidemic.
Seed Oils are the worst thing you could ever put in your body
Yeah you have to be right about this!! No way would formaldehyde be near as bad as a seed oil!
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Yeah definitely worse than formaldehyde
What about meth?
brb gonna eat uranium
High Fructose corn syrup is actually toxic tho. Maybe seed oils are not bad but high fructose is. A good reference is a book called “Pure White and Deadly” that discusses sugar and the development of high fructose corn syrup.
Lol "a good reference" sounds like cherry picking to meeee
@@connorking984 I’m cherry picking what exactly?
Yeah I quit getting burnt by the sun when I gave up seed oils. Don’t give a f about studies. Only care about my own N=1
That's because you are not very smart
Post the whole video! Love this content
The whole podcast was uploaded a while ago
TrUsT ThE ScIeNcE. Two weeks to flatten the curve
Mean comments online are a public health epidemic!
The problem is, where is this research coming from? Nabisco, Kelloggs, Nestle, the American government? No you're right I trust them a lot.