This was a great season! Definitely my favorite of the three so far. I had forgotten that Joe and Will are still pals; thanks for the reminder. I was wondering how he got to Paris. Now I wonder how he got the money to go there. Presumably since he planned everything so meticulously, he took the precaution of getting some money together before leaving. Or maybe he still has access to Benji's stolen stuff in storage and sold some of it.
@@stealthycore joe was the hypocrite, he was happy to kill for marianne because he ‘loved’ her, but hated love for killing people who she viewed as a threat to her family unit
@@phoebe8579 I agree but that was towards mid-end at least in the very beginning he was attempting to be a family even tho he felt stuck. Love literally started the killing as soon as she witness ANY type of cheating from Joe. They were both horrible but you can't say he didn't at least held off killing until she started it over jealousy. idk my opinion.
@@PrincessofthePrincesses the thing is i think love did genuinely put off killing natalie at first, at least until she had definitive proof that joe was obsessed with natalie; she didn’t care if he was cheating, only if he was obsessed with her and therefore if she posed a genuine threat to tear apart her family because love knows how far joe will go to fulfil his obsessions. i don’t think it was necessarily just jealousy, but a desire to protect the only family she genuinely cared about and needed now forty is dead. i really do think that if love hadn’t have killed natalie, joe would have been the first to kill either natalie or her husband once his obsession really took hold of him. my issue really is with people acting like love is so much worse than joe and that joe’s moral code isn’t just as skewed as love’s.
another hidden gem is that marianne escaped to paris, the very same destination peach was going to whisk beck to away from joe. marianne, another book-lover with a toxic ex and creative aspirations, manages to escape to paris and live the alternate life beck could have had she not stayed with joe.
sherry and cary annoyed me but somehow they were extremely likeable when they were in the cage 😂 i loved how even as she just got shot in the ear they’re still using therapy words to speak to each other. “that’s not fair it’s my turn to talk”-cary after grazing sherry’s ear 😂😂 they had me dead
It's truly a subversion of expectations by making the most seemingly superficial couple turn out to be the most genuine one. Also the words of Cary: "I love all sides of you!" contrasted by Joe who only loved certain specific sides of Love.
I think it really shows that his abdonment issues lead to him trying to find happiness in others, people or women he looks to bring it to him and women he make happy, but deep down he’s not gonna be satsfied or happy bc he needs to heal and find it in himself
@@SM11491 He's too young to be I believe. Joe's brother seems to be around 2/3 in the flashback and he was probably like 11 which would leave an about 8 year difference. I think Joe present Joe is around 30 and Theo is 19. Could still be possible though if my ages are off.
Joe seeing his mom with another child and then she comes and talks to him and completely abandons him again in the streets for a new family makes my heart break.
then she tries to say that sometimes people need to start over completely YOU DONT START OVER BY GETTING A NEW CHILD MARY Thats an entire person she sent away for her own sake, like how did she think that was ok
@@Dtctr010 Just like Joe when he grows up and his "love" for women, his mom didn't see Joe or her new kid as well, kids to raise, but as something to validate her feelings
Right ! I feel like his mother let the example that’s it’s okay to start over and therefore he felt like that’s what he had to do with his kid 🥺🥺 he could have fought for him but he let his obsessions be a priority
@@studioj6164 it was his mom... in a flashback.... AFTER nurse Fiona "left" (possibly died) and then sometime later, Joe left and ran into his mom and his younger half-brother "Jakey" (who was sitting in his car seat in the van/car) as Joe confronted his mother. Just thought I'd elaborate that scene for you in case you missed it or forgot it.
Those characters came a long way. I was originally hoping Love and/or Joe would murder them both, but then they started to grow on me once they were in the cage. I actually felt sorry for them. At least they truly love each other!
@@lovemorgan6690 Sure, why not. It was obvious he and Love were going to keep killing people, so they might as well kill the awful ones. I was not remotely sorry he killed the reporter. In for a penny, in for a pound!
Yeah I hated them! Then out of no where I found myself rooting for them - seeing their dynamic and communication skills- I wanted them to kill Joe and Love - but obviously there wouldn’t be a show after that…
It'd be better if Love killed off Joe, his story got so repetitive and predictable, also, he has no attachment but to himself and to you, he even ditched his own son. He gets obsessed and then changes target. 3 seasons that were practically the same. He has no friends, and no character development. Love had a more complex and interesting story.
Everyone justifying Joe while also demonizing Love is exactly what is supposed to happen. We are also supposed to be manipulated by Joe as an audience and we would justify all his decisions because he is the main character. It is a critic on how much we will forgive our heroes if they’re attractive and charismatic. Just funny and interesting to see.
I read that people romanticise Joe and want to be with him... and of course there are this people, I shouldn't be surprised about that ... but still how can't they see. With Joe there is no being together, you can never be yourself , the moment something doesn't fit his picture of you he will kill you. Love knew she was broken and wrong... I wonder if Joe will get this insight about himself.
I think the show shows our own ability to obsess about love and have co-dependent ways......thats why everyone is able to sympathise with Joe. Because your right 100% Joe was no better then love.
@@Jginthecutt I don't think he tried to be better morally speaking. He felt he was better than Love or too good for Love so he behaved accordingly while Love felt loosing control and her picture perfect family so she tried to clinge to it as hard as she could and deal with it the only way she knows... but her hot headed nature lost against Joe's coldness. He tried to manipulate her and she felt that. They never really talked about a future which could work. I hoped she would run away after Maryanne told her to. But she instead wanted to deal with it like always not seeing that it didn't work before why should it now.
@@Jginthecutt that's the problem though, Joe wasn't trying to be better he simply fell out of love hence why he would stop murdering and also claimed he did it for Henry which the therapist did call out it wasn't for Henry and to stop saying it was for Henry. But what happens the moment he once again fell in "love"? He murders merienne's husband because he hurts her and stood in the way of their love. He murders Love because she was in the way of their love and leaves Henry with other people because he was in the way of their love despite claiming it was because he couldn't be a good father to him, it more than that obviously. In reality no one should be supporting either Joe or love and if we did then bam we become hypocrites which let's be real the majority of the world is, hell even me for siding with love but I'll try to do that less.
My favorite was when Cary said “it won’t end well for Love, Sherry knows Krav Maga” with his whole chest as he was trying to fight off Joe 🤣🤣🤣 that killed me
i absolutely adored victoria pedretti's character, love, but honestly if she comes back i'll be disappointed, u can only pull the "omg my ex who i thought i had killed has come back to haunt me" card once yk
If you listen hard, the violin that plays right before Love dies is the same melody as when Beck was pretending to love Joe in the season 1 finale right before she stabs him. Pretty interesting parallel.
They literally used the song exile which goes like " i think i have seen this film before and i didn't like the ending". Well we all know how things ended with Beck and exactly the same with love 🙂
Joe is in love with and is obsessed with stalking women with issues which leads him to try and be some white knight. Beck was his best relationship and Love was the only one who would understand the real him, he’ll never be satisfied.
they brought out the worst in each other. Joe is looking for someone that will make him a better person and not look at him like he's trash when they find out he's a murderer
@@thomashines8 I think Love knew but Joe didn’t want to accept it because he thinks he’s better which I guess in a weird way he’s slightly better then her but both are off they’re rocker lol
I can see his brother seeing his death on the news and wanting to learn more about him and perhaps going down the rabbit hole of Joe’s life, maybe in an official capacity, maybe not. That would be interesting.
I think the issue is Joe was trying to break old habits and Love constantly kept putting him positions to go back to his older self. He wanted someone to make him a better person, but because he and Love were so trauma bonded, they constantly kept gaslighting themselves into believing they are all that’s out there for each other…when in reality, they’re both sick individuals that needed to seek healing by THEMSELVES and NOT with each other.
Agreed. I think people forget that in the beginning of season 2 that was the point. He wanted to put killing behind him, not necessarily stop stalking but he did want to find someone to love. Then it turns out Love is also a murderer and he immediately falls out of love with her (hook to her throat, about to kill her). So in the beginning of season 3, he doesn't even want to be with her (which is stated in a not so obvious way) but stays for Henry. The plot points I don't really understand though is Love seemingly still loved Joe even when she was going to kill him, but has no remorse for sleeping with Theo (even though Joe wouldn't give a damn if she did later on in the season) and still goes on to say shes trying to save her marriage at the end, and nobody will love Joe like she does, etc. Unless...her sleeping with Theo is when she stops suppressing the "little voice" in her head that Marienne talks about, even for just a moment?
@@eternalfear88 love was toxic and didn’t understand accountability. she blamed her sleeping with theo on joe bc if he had made her feel more attractive, she wouldn’t have done it. the same way she blamed him for why SHE chose to kill natalie. the last episode, we see she basically blamed him for everything which shows how delusional she truly was.
@@utakatasama3263 old habits die hard. joe was still wrong for killing her ex husband….however, the ex was actively preventing joe from being with mariene and was also an evil dirtbag, hence why he did what he did. love killed based off assumptions. both are wrong, but while joe can control himself more, love cannot. she’s unpredictable but he wants stability (which love is not).
I’m pretty sure the DNA in piss is very minimal & it deteriorates very quickly. So if it wasn’t found very early on it would be useless to identify anyone. I mean I could be wrong it’s be ages since I have sat in on a science/biology class but yeah.
@@Theendisnearasuouknowit I know he did as a child. I’m talking about as an adult. Joe confronting his mother and even his half brother as adults would be interesting to see and for his mother to see what he turned into.
Cary is one helluva comic-relief. That camping episode was something else LOL even when he’s in the cage, his mannerisms and daily routines while still being locked up is so funny.
she did get on my nerves at first but then when she gave blunt, realistic marriage advice in that one episode where Joe went camping it showed that she had some sense of wisdom. also it says something if the narcissistic couple had better communication skills, respect, and understanding of one another while the quinn-goldbergs on the other hand keep saying "we're a great team" even tho said team is trying to find ways to do things behind each other's backs
I loved this season and I am very excited about the next. I enjoyed Sherry's character even though she is someone I would never gel with in real life, and ultimately even the relationship between her and her husband. I'll miss Love, but boy was she emotionally exhausting 😩😧
Was the dose she gave Joe at the end supposed to kill him or it was just a paralysis dosage. I thought she never meant to kill Joe and only Joe had the agenda of killing Love.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say Joe kills bad people based on a moral compass. Many of his murders have been anything other than justified by morality - he attempts to convince the audience (and himself) otherwise, but he is an unreliable, delusional narrator. Beck and Peach are prime examples of cold, calculated kills that benefit only Joe and no-one else. Hell, I’d go so far as to say the same for Benji, he’s a cheater and a sexist but he’s nowhere near as morally corrupt as some of the other abusive “villains” of the show, like Henderson or Ryan. I do think Joe is framed as an anti-hero in some instances, but Love’s point that what he does is no better than what she does is fair. A murderer is a murderer, no matter how one spins it.
I mean if we still used the "they killed other people to protect those they love" reason, that doesn't make Joe any different from Love. She murdered Forty's babysitter as well as other people that posed a threat to her relationship with Joe (Theo is the most recent example, but I know there were other characters she killed in season 2 for this very reason). Joe and Love are almost direct reflections of each other, Love just happens to be able to afford to cover up her crimes.
So if Marianne hadn't went to Joe's house with her daughter, Love probably would have killed her. The daughter changed everything because notice how Love went from "I am about to kill this home wrecker" to "Wow, I actually like her and feel bad for her" then she realized she should be blaming Joe for their marriage problems and not Marianne.
Sherry and Cary really grew on me last episodes and I was so glad they got out! The show is "balanced" in that way bc if EVERYONE died all the time, it just wouldnt be great to watch. ALSO I THINK MARIENNE KNOW JOE DID IT. She's smart like that... A woman told her to run, that woman died. Kinda says itself especially with the type of mindset and awerness she seemed to have.
Here are my thoughts on why Jo can't seem to love Love Quinn: - First, she is a female sort of reflection of himself and he hates himself. - Secondly, she is the only one who stayed with him and kept loving him after finding out the real "him" (aka a mass murderer), and I don't think he believes he is worth that... hence whenever a woman loves him without truly knowing what he's capable of, he goes along and loves her, but he does not think that he deserves to be loved for who he really is, because (see my 1st point) he hates himself for his actions.
@@kennethkwai1519 good pure woman in the sense that she is not evil like him. Also when she discovers his true nature, he expects her to continue loving him. So beck hated him so he killed her. Love continued to love him.but she was also a killer so he hated her too lol he was stuck with her because she was pregnant with his kid. The theme throughout is that he will.protect kids because of his own childhood. So even more so with his own kid
No Love and Joe are fundamentally different, Love is there for the moment but he wasn’t there at all he hated her because he thinks there’s no justification to her actions and her didn’t even bother to understand where she is coming from or sympathise with her when he found out at therapist that they’re both having the same issues but different background stories he is just obsessive and never known her or loved her or even see her. That’s sad and bad.
Funny thing I figured out: There's a quote: ''love will kill you''. Love is Joe's girlfriend, Will is Joe's name in S2, killing is what this show is about and it's called YOU so that makes perfect sense
I have a big feeling that Love isn’t dead. She’s smart enough, she hesitated before killing joe because she knew way before thah he knew that she was gonna poison him. Plus she had tons of time to leave the house before it got up in flames.
What i find funny is Love was so surprised that Joe was having an affair but meanwhile she was having sex with the neighbour. Love was really unlikeable this season, she is the reason everything turned out the way it did.
@@itsmequeenbee235 Ikr? Like Joe knew Love kissed Theo before he started doing anything with Marianne, He even saved his life. Love was a complete psycho who cared for nobody except herself, she even wanted to bring another child into her fucked up world.
@@lezimo5407 Yea she did want a second child and it was wrong of her. When she actually said on the screen my eyes opened wide and I thought to myself "What the hell." She kept repeating her and Joe were solid but every move before she done that she was luring in Joe before he could even leave.
@C G Joe didn’t want a psycho for a mom i guess, can’t really blame him. Although he isn’t much better himself. Also, Love didn’t love Joe at the end, she just didn’t want to lose him
Joe really made me mad this season. He’s acting as if what Love does is any worse than what he does. Also, this dude will never be satisfied with any woman. I’m hoping for a loophole for Love in season 4.
ong tho, and honestly yea, its getting getting repetitive, they should wrap it up next season, and I wouldn't mind love coming back, and they somewhere die together, or just kill off joe, and let love live.
@@ayemar1660 Yes. Because he was old enough to understand the severity of sabotaging ones relationships and also preyed on her vulnerability knowing when shit got hard. So yes. He got lucky that Joe showed a bit of compassion. That same suburban pussy almost got him killed so i don’t count that as a flex.
@@ayemar1660 yes...tf. He was so annoying and creepy. I could sympathize and focus on how he wants to connect with someone and he's hormonal, but I really don't care. He was just a nuisance
Actually I just thought about it but 'm surprised no one mentioned Love and Theo's relationship. If it was the other way around people would had blown it up in 90% of the comments
This season was so stressful! Omg Love was killing left and right😅 The whole time I couldn’t stop thinking about how he was gonna get out of this mess this time 😂😂
Exactly, love only killed one person this season but somehow people keep talking like she has a body count as high as Joe's...it shows how easily people fall for double standards & the narrative that a woman is crazy & much worse if she does the exact same thing the guy is doing
Joe does not “love”, he uses people and projects his ideals on his female victims and when he realizes they are flawed and real human beings with real problems , he steps in to force-make his victims into how he thinks they should be. Also, his murder code does not exists has a “higher-moral-code” than his wife’s, Love. It only reflects his self diluted idea that he is a “vigilante” like you mentioned, a “good guy”. He takes it upon himself to help these kids because is a way for him to tell himself he is not a bad person, does it for complete self interest. The only time he did something selfless for one of his victims was when he was going to let Delilah be free because of his friendship with her and Ali. When Joe finally found someone who loves him exactly has he is, a murderer, he quickly falls out of love because he cannot accept Love the way she is (going back to this elusive way to see women), clearly showed in this season by depicting how much he struggles to stay invested in is so called “love” in his marriage. The reason we like this show is not because Joe is a “vigilante” and a complex guy. It’s because we are riding his train of self-elusion and even for us as the viewers it becomes difficult to untangle his psyche. I love how this show dives DEEP into his thought process. This makes us relate and want to understand his mind and motivations.
yes, agreed but also thought he would at least make an exception as she was his child's mother. it grossed me out in the end. I am done watching it now and have gone to rate it 6/10
@@SM-ce1uy it was very brutal for sure. I was very moved by the understanding between Love and Marianne about Joe's dangerous obsessions. Was definitely hoping that Joe would actually die in Love's hands. But when i heard they had renewed for a new season, I knew they were going to pull some made up explanation for Joe to come on top, he's the main character after all. It was a very upsetting ending for me, we are finally untangling Joe's psyche and is not setting well with us. Serial killer indeed.
Idk if I am the only one, but I really felt like Joe and Love were the best possible match, and I disliked the ending, it felt rushed. I also feel even if Love didn't stay with Joe she still could have contributed to the story still. In some weird way I was rooting for them as a couple lol.
If this was real life I'd be pissed for them to ruin a perfect chance at a great life. But it's a show and that would be boring so I welcome the drama, lol
@@MHammonds18 Love only kill 1 person in season 3. Kills Natalie, knocks out Gil who commits suicide, knocks out Theo who survives. The thing that got tiring to me was the way they shot all 3 swings literally in the same manner i.e. person is walking away, Love says something, person turns around, Love swings.
@@eternalfear88 That doesn’t justify anything. She kept putting herself and Joe into predicaments that could’ve been completely avoided. And yes in my eyes she did kill Gil. He would’ve been alive if she would’ve let the man walk out the store. There would be no reason to dig up his past and use it against him that eventually led him to kill himself. It’s the same as if someone give keys to a drunk person and that said drunk person dies in a car crash. You…in turn…yes…would be a *murderer.*
Peach Salinger didn‘t die (We never really saw, if it was her body in the body bag. It also could have been Raj, the medical student, who must have been laying on the bed Joe was hiding under. Joe somehow left his hiding spot without Raj noticing him - or maybe he did and got killed 😉). Peach moved to Paris like she originally planned. She didn‘t tell Beck, because they had this huge fight about Peach’s sexuality and Peach finally accepted that Beck isn‘t interested in a romantic relationship. Plus: she didn’t want anyone to know, especially people close to Joe, that she survived the gunshot. The private investigator was actually hired by Peach herself, not her family. In season 4, Joe and Peach will run into each other in Paris and she is going to seek revenge for Becks death. The show would come full circle and, to me, that would be the perfect ending. Imagine Joe‘s face in shock, when he hears Peach’s voice calling him „Joseph!“, he realises Peach is alive and that he will never be able to escape the consequences of his actions, no matter how far he travels. #JusticeForPeachSalinger
I honestly would love to see this happen. Joe’s obsessive relationships are getting monotonous, s4 definitely needs to be different. I would to see either love or peach. Love could still be alive. I don’t see Victoria exiting the series so early.
I know and I don‘t doubt he did. But we never got to see, where he shot her. The show is very graphic and I think it‘s not a coincidence that Peach’s death and her corpse were never shown.
What ruined Love for me was when she started to show her ultimate true colors and acted less and less like an adult. For starters. Joe obviously was seen trying to live a better life for his child, even when it became too much. Even if he was in a position he didn’t like. The thing is though. Love was just a hot head who could not control her emotions for anything. This is shown by her killing the neighbor for what was simply a kiss that Joe ACTUALLY declined. To then blame Joe saying it’s all his fault. This is also shown by her wacking Gil and keeping him in the cage. To which later in the show Joe even says “We could’ve just sued them.” It’s clear Joe is objectively more rational than Love and the fact that she is not a logical person at all lead to him constantly being brought into situations he could not escape. Where I began to lose respect for her was when she became extremely hypocritical. Gets mad at Joe for KISSING the neighbor, KILLS her. But when she does the same with Theo and Joe only gets UPSET, he is the bad guy. Then she goes the extra mile to sleep with Theo not once but TWICE…But when Joe sleeps with Marriane ONCE, she completely blows it out of proportion. She put them into so many situations that were so preventable just by keeping a level head. Joe realized this when they were in the rain. Telling her he would be burying bodies until he was 70. Because if he doesn’t give her his all. She will continue to kill people. Even to a degree where her own dysfunctional mother can see that she is full of shit. I mean she missed her childs first steps because she wanted to take a trip to pound town. The sexy neighbor died because she couldn’t keep her cool. Gil committed suicide in the end after being caged for days. Because she couldn’t keep her cool. The fake woman and her macho husband overheard her admit she killed Natalie…Because she couldn’t keep her cool. But it was always Joe to blame. She was so quick to make everything everyone else’s fault but could never take accountability and always ran from it. In the end. These characters were written so well. This season showed that as crazy as Joe is. There was someone he found crazier than him. They made the insanity feel so real. And in the end she got what she deserved. I’m not saying Joe is an angel. But throughout the season until the very end he was at least self aware and showed SOME sort of Growth & Development.
I agree 100%! I’m not sure why people wanted Joe dead. He’s a lot more rational than Love. He really only killed one person this season and he deserved it. She was going bat shit crazy on everyone. I was starting to get a little bored and irritated….I’m glad not everyone ended up dead.
@@stephanieexclusif Yea and this sets up the 4th season for a perfect finding of Marianne. A good plot point. Can’t wait to see how they go about this. I feel like something from his past will catch up with him though. What’s done in the dark will come to light.
Yeah I think they are the same person, but I dont understand how he never suspects anything. Literally everywhere Joe/Will/Nick goes something bad happens and all the girls he dates disappear or end up dead. He should come forward, maybe he has something on him to keep him quiet.
My predictions (or hopes really) for season 4. Is that either the person that candice was periodically checking in with that she mentioned in season 2 or the PI hired by Peach's family to look into her death (if either of them are women) , find joe and seduce him into becoming obsessed with them to get him to confess to his crimes on record or catch him in the act with plan to go to the police. I hope season 4 is the last season but i wont be satisfied with an ended that doesnt include the weight of ALL of Joe's crimes catching up to him
tbh, i feel like Joe is going to realize that Love was, realistically speaking, perfect for him. esp since she was the only one that understood him. only problem is that Love was extremely impulsive, they both were incredibly hypocritical, & Joe just did not love her anymore (considering he literally killed her), but since it took Joe 3 seasons to finally figure out that he has mommy issues, maybe it won’t take long for him to realize that if he had really committed to Love instead of painting her out to be a monster, they would’ve been happy together. so i feel like there will be a bit of regret & guilt going on in his head for season 4. i also feel like he’s not going to find Marianne, it wouldn’t make sense if he found her either way, you know? so, he finds her, then what? he’d be considered a deadman walking. on top of him killing her ex husband & let’s not forget his other murders. who knows, maybe they’ll come back to bite him in the ass. anyways, IF Marianne does come back into the story then she would honestly see Joe as a HUGE threat to herself & her daughter. but besides that, we’ve all established a very very long time ago that Joe is just in love with the idea of being in love & obsessed with stalking women he thinks he can “fix,” so there’s absolutely no way that this whole season is just going to be about him looking for Marianne. if so, that’s an interesting way of doing things, but he is most definitely going to find someone new.. maybe even someone different. maybe he’ll find someone that was like Love but without the killings involved. but let’s be real, even if he found the most perfect woman to ever exist, he’ll never be satisfied.
Wouldn't it have shown on Gil's credit card statement that the last place he was was buying cupcakes at the bakery? Also, why would anyone think that Joe's murder of the news anchor was just a random robbery, when the guy was pushed off a building, immobilized, and THEN stabbed multiple times
1. He did buy cupcakes, his credit card can show that, but they found his body at his house, so they assume he got cupcakes and went back home 2. Even as up to date as forensics are nowadays, I don’t think they can tell if someone’s been pushed off a building. Maybe they see some impact damage, but that could be from the rough robbery. I don’t think they checked the body for previous drug/alcohol use or tried to see if he’d been drugged in any way since it seemed to be such an obvious robbery/random killing
But what about Ellie? They mentioned her a few times this season hinting towards her still being involved but a little sad she didn’t make an appearance
@@n0name I don’t know why he’d pop up. It’s just a suggestion. A better question would be “Why tf did they mention a half brother if he doesn’t advance the plot further down the story?”
My theory: Theo is the half brother. Awful mom (never saw her), lives with stepdad, as "passionate" as Joe when it comes to women and Joe didn't kill him and the age diference seems about right...I mean, just saying...
I really enjoyed this season and they made me love/hate everyone…. Definitely a great roller coaster. They really show you how crazy you can be in a marriage 🤣🤣
I wish they showed more scenes with the Therapist towards the last half. She was honestly so great. Also, I love how this show makes me root for the couple when they "get better" but also want them to fail because they're literally murderers and crazy.
This season was incredible. Omg man. Wow. So many things i can say about this season in detail but im not typing a whole books worth in a youtube comment lol
Lol then he will be the true anti-hero lol…but I think Emily is too annoying, shallow, and juvenile for his taste. He likes the broken, vulnerable damsel in distress. Emily is too head strong and proud.
Even after all of the murdering Joe did, I still felt the cruelest thing he did was tell Love he wanted another baby the same day he’s planning on leaving her. What a piece of 💩
I got so mad when he killed Love, I honestly wished the show would end ever since Theo found the cage. Forty and Love where my favourite characters, I am greatly disappointed. But didn’t Love use the same knife that was laced with wolfsbane as Joe? She’s smart wouldn’t she of had a backup plan? I hope she didn’t actually die.
Why are you mad he killed her she was trying to kill him 1st. He asked for a divorce. He didn't want to kill her, she's Henry's mom but she would kill him so he had to.
I am honestly so sad that love is gone. she was one of my favorite characters. I loved how she was so emotional and invested in Joe. I wish that it honestly worked out better for them. it just shows that because of Joe's abandonment issues he convinces himself that he doesn't love her anymore and needs to find someone new. Because what he really needs to do to show his love is violence. once that is over he doesn't love anymore.
I actually felt like Joe was trying not to kill anyone after Henry came into his life and he even tried to drug news reporter but not tried to kill him at the beginning and at last he killed him only for "you". Secondly from the day love's mother said to Joe that Love killed her ex. Joe knows that he should be ready to face Love at any point. At last Joe's plan was to run away but he ended up killing love. It was kind of sad though
The fact that people are justifying either of their actions, especially Love's is beyond me. They're both murderers and Love was just all over the place. I couldn't wait for her demise, I'd like to see Joe get what he has coming as well.
Maybe because it’s a tv show 🧐🧐🧐😂 I love both their characters to be honest and was rooting most of the time for them lol Sometimes even relate.. well of course not the murder part LOL
@@Glloriia It being a TV Show still doesn’t correlate with people trying to actively justify the situations they were in. I don’t know where you got that from. I can relate to some of the toxicity they went through but thats LITERALLY about it.
I'm honestly upset that Love is dead and was lowkey hoping she would kill Joe. Would've been really interesting to see the reaction to something like that and it also would've made sense story wise considering Joe simply refuses to change. He's literally a broken record.
The saddest part was when Love was texting Forty and pouring her heart out(( She was talking to her soulmate knowing she wasn't going to get a reply- there is no one to understand her anymore. When Dottie tells Love that she liked that Forty needed protection Love says maybe she did, but all in all, Love needed protection too (at least from the toxic family she grew up in). The reflection of what she gave to her soulmate (Forty) was what she herself lacked too. Love wants a sibling for Henry because she sees how bad she and Joe can affect Henry, and that he would need protection- protection she did not receive. She also thinks of having a daughter-sister to Henry, like she was to Forty. On the contrary we see Joe, who got away from toxic household, but has the same pattern as Love- protects his soulmate while needing a protection himself. And the fact that both of them understand how toxicity affects a child, they do everything to take care of Henry right. Joe leaving Henry with Dante was also a proof of this.
Love deserved everything that came to her. She was out of control and indecisive the entire season, making impulsive decisions that Joe had to clean up. It was getting irritating.
@@jastinabbbbb5205 Joe didn't sleep with the neighbor at all. Love killed Natalie because she wanted to sleep with Joe. It's her fault for not thinking before she acts.
@@tiara1522 not justifying what love did cause they’re both fucked how but however! ☝🏽 Love did find Joe’s treasure box which had Natalies panties in them and Love knows Joe and how he gets obsessive with a woman he’s eyeing. Joe is a dumbass he knows his wife acts out of emotion and is very impulsive he got sloppy that time
@@kamayasimone502 But the rest were all on Love. She hit the neighbour over the head because he gave her son measles. She was the one who was screaming about killing Natalie, that's how Sherry and Cary found out & Theo was also down to her. All Joe did was kill Ryan, which was smooth and clean, it didn't get traced back to him. Love would just do reckless things, cause a problem and expect Joe to clean up her mess. She wasn't clever with it at all.
I know! Such lazy writing how they don’t explain how people get everywhere, joe gets into the ex-husbands (I think Ryan?) house how… liek he’s a news person you would think he would lock his doors, and joe and love don’t lock their doors either?? Like they’re murderers, how
Love caused majority of problems this season, I was counting down the episodes until he offed Love lol. It was nice that people got to escape with their lives this season. Excellent writing with endless possibilities for season 4. Can’t wait for Cobra Kai season 4 to wrap up the year on Netflix
I love constantly got on my nerves without Joe she would be in a crazy asylum or dead after she killed her victims she was always freaking out calling him to fix her problems love was so selfish and annoying the both of them are psychopaths
I don’t think we watched the same show. Yes let’s TOTALLY forget about Joe trying to live normal and move on. Let’s forget he was trying to actually be there for his child. Let’s forget that he ended up wanting a divorce. Joe killed ONE person the entire season. The same can’t be said for the other 2. She was completely insane.
Okay but Love was holding that knife when cutting the chicken Joe grabbed when he became paralyzed? She didn’t from that? She also planted all that. My wishful thinking is she found a way around the flower. I loved Love!!!!
Wow the name of the cafe, the drawing, the lone wolf comment, the Fitzgerald references … I love that it’s clear this show always knows where it is headed.
It was after he finally got the girl he wanted and the family he wanted & the life he wanted I realized he was never going to stop 😩 he doesn’t want Love and a relationship he just wants to stalk these women prey on them gas light manipulate & mirror exactly what they want then when they no longer serve his purpose or his view he throws them away 💯💯💯 Lmfao like the whole time I was telling myself he will never love love because in order for him to accept the killing she has done he had to see everything he did as wrong as well and he’s unable to see his own patterns 💯
I don’t think this is all the way true but I do agree. Joe had self awareness. And showed the ability to take accountability multiple times in THIS season specifically. Also. It’s clear in the show that he realized his patterns when he came to the realization that every woman who meant something in his life all went out the same. Admitting that it stemmed from his mommy issues. I feel like people skip over these heavy facts to paint him out to be worse than Love when in reality she was the biggest problem this season.
I see many people upset with Loves death… but I think they’re forgetting that THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ROUTING FOR THE SERIAL MURDERERS WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. I love this show so much, and I think it’s absolutely brilliant for telling on its audience for their problem with rationalizing and defending horrible people because they’re attractive and charismatic.
You can root for anyone in fiction. Of course we wouldn't want Joe or Love to thrive in real life, but that's the point of fiction, we allow ourselves to feel and behave in ways we would never in reality.
@@shanouboubou when you think of known famous predators that went years without consequences and go over cases of actual serial killers, I truly don’t think the reaction to Joe or Love is that far off.
I'm afraid you missed the entire point. "Joe has a moral compass for his killing, whereas Love is just emotional." Lol, that's how HE sees it, and it's literally the whole point. It's the most prominent social commentary present in the series since he found out what she was. Women get demonized for the very same things men can get away with. Murder is murder, there is no moral murder. Every murder Joe committed was emotional ("I'm doing it for love, I would do anything for love"). Heck, he'd kill friends of his lovers just because he saw them standing in the way of what he wanted. Claiming that he's moral and calculated while she's emotional is pure sexism and you fell for it.
This is a really interesting take, and I agree with several points you made. However there's no denying that Joe's crimes are carefully planned out, whereas Love's are all impulsive (her favorite word, lol) and poorly thought out or not thought out at all, which is why people say that she leads with emotion rather than calculation. I think you're right about "murder" never being moral (There's an argument to be had about what counts as murder; hence the quotation marks.) but it's also undeniable that we DID see Joe commit murder, or help cover up someone else's murder, for altruistic reasons. Remember Pablo in season 1. And if he had killed the nurse's abusive boyfriend, it certainly wouldn't have been because the guy was standing in his way or for romantic love; he was just a kid, and the show didn't indicate that he had those kinds of feelings for the nurse whatsoever. However I think you're right about him being emotional and about a certain element of sexism. Joe was free to go off and do what he pleased while Love was trapped raising a child she probably resented because she knew it was the only thing keeping Joe from killing her, which forced her to acknowledge on a daily or even hourly basis that Joe did not love her the way she loved him. No wonder she wanted another baby. She never felt safe, and lashing out at people who threatened that safety helps us understand her motives even if we can't justify them.
@@keelahrose Yeah, look, bottom line, the video literally says Joe has a "moral compass to his murders whereas Love is emotional." She may be more impulsive, but let's get one thing straight. There is NO moral compass to his f-cking murders, and they are 100% based entirely on nothing but emotion. The commentator is not only a numbskull for missing this entirely obvious social commentary within the series (they hit you over the head with it) but also a sexist to have fallen so easily into that trap. .....The main character is literally a murderer who kills anyone who gets to be an inconvenience for him, and yet the commentator seems to think he's still a good person. It's obscene. The whole POINT is to illustrate that Joe and Love are exactly the same, morally speaking, but people will make excuses for Joe and demonize Love.
They definitely fell for it and it sickens me that ppl (mostly men) are really giving honor to Joe as if he's a god of some sort. He's literally Love in male form but Love actually had compassion and wanted something real. With Love flaws, I still loved her and she's by far better than him. Everything she did was for him. I just want Joe gone.
So accurate the entire series comes from joes narrative and what he wants and how he feels it manipulates the viewers just because his mom left him doesn’t mean he gets to steal women’s tampons and grind ppl up he is just as emotional as love
@@bratsss Isn't it funny how literally the entire series is a metaphor for toxic masculinity (in hyperbole form) and people aren't getting it/are identifying with the evil doer? It's amazing.
@@simrannaidu5828 tbf love was gonna kill him first and in this case is for the best he abandoned his son. Joe at least provided Henry with two loving parents instead of straight up leaving him alone. In all seriousness Henry doesn't deserve SKs as his parents
@@HOKAGEV you’re right she was fifteen when delilah was killed, nine months go by for love’s pregnancy, and a year goes by after joe and love have moved to madre linda (we witness henry’s first birthday). henrys also grown some hair in the final scenes suggesting another year or two has passed. i’d be shocked if she wasn’t eighteen or older already.
I hope Love comes back as kind of a ghost that taunts Joe. He’s trying to move on and find Marienne but he keeps seeing Love’s ghost and she’s in his head all like “I know the real you. No one will ever get you or love you like I did. You’re gonna be miserable forever”. Just really have her play with his mind.
@@neptune2266It's only been 2 years. 9 months when they moved to Madre Linda plus Henry's first birthday is around 2 years. Doesn't take long for newborns to grow hair.
The final episode name "What is Love?" is an obvious reference to the famous song by Haddaway. And the lines that famously follow are very fitting: "Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me."
I kind of wish they would have gotten caught this time for what they did.. I hated the fact that Theo didn’t run out of the store and got help instead of looking for a key - trying to be a hero almost got him killed - I also got mad at the fact that Joe is portrayed as stronger than anyone when in reality he’s a scrawny 100lbs man. I have to say I yelled at the tv a few times during this season lol
Y’all don’t forget Ellie! You remember Love telling her if the acting thing doesn’t work out for her she could go attend a culinary school in Paris. What if she’s in Paris 👀
Ngl. I had hope for Joe & Love. Especially when he actually resisted Natalie and all his urges this season. I truly believe he TRIED to be good even tho he tiptoed the line with keeping the keepsake box, but Love didn’t try at all to be rational. At least not when it came to Joe. Her impulsive actions and leaving Joe to clean up every mess she made is what ultimately killed off his love for Love and pushed him into his bad habits full throttle. I truly believe this cause he didn’t kill Theo even after Love’s attempt to. The barely legal man-child that had his first crush unfortunately with a sociopath. The fact that even tho she liked him alot and still attempted to kill him speaks volumes. Ik the feminist are having a hayday the rationale of Love killing and Joe killing, but ultimately Love was the issue this season. Im glad he dumped her, and got out alive (cause she was definitely gonna kill him instead of being RATIONAL and quietly divorcing him 😂)
Thank you lol. She is literally the whole reason why the couple in the basement box even happened. All cause she couldn’t shut tf up. Plus she kept giving joe shit for cheating as if she didn’t do so herself. Ultimately joe tried to leave in peaceful ways but love tried killing dude instead. Got why she deserved
A part of me wishes that love should've taken henry and ran away from joe, instead of threatening to kill him which resulted in her death I really didn't want her gone, she literally made the hype of watching this season for me...and now idk whether i will be able to take on S4 😢 😭
I love how in this season Love was kind of the “villian” of the story. Especially in the second half of the show. She kept killing and losing her temper putting her and joe in more turmoil. Messed with Theo while having killed his step mom. And ofc in joe’s eyes tried to make their failed marriage work over and OVER again loll. I will miss her character a lot.
Love and Joe's double cross was very Deathnote. Loved it! Also I loved that Theo didn't get killed I may have a crush on him. Lastly was ecstatic that Sherry and Cary survived and capitalized on the experience those two are so silly and funny.
What drove me nuts is that love was fine with herself cheating but joe couldn’t cheat. Joe didn’t even care that love was sleeping with someone else, he just wanted out.
That's a common trait of a sociopathic narc--if they say they love you and you say it back, they look upon you with disgust. If they say it and you don't right back, they are intrigued.
probably because he found out her true side and that they’re both alike. s2 joe seemed interested in love because he thought she was innocent woman only to find out that they’re the same. love is the only one would stayed with joe after realizing his true side. they’re both sickos and i hope love is alive so they catch joe n love and get them in jail.
Joe does not know what love is and he definitely cannot feel it. He only mirrors what he sees others do concerning love and projects that onto the person. His true idea of love or the "feeling" of it is unstable, unrealistic and dangerous.
I could be wrong but I was told that if you lose your pinky toe, it drastically affects your balance and makes it hard to walk/ stand but maybe that isn’t true?? Since he seems to be walking fine
I really liked Love’s character and it’s pretty in line with the psyche of women who kill. It wouldn’t feel genuine to write another woman into the show who is like that, so I was really disappointed that she died. I fucking loved the Dexter-esque dynamic but with the bonus of both being killers.
"Joe kills with a reason, he's an excelent anti hero " except when he killed the guy Candice was cheating on him with, that guy had no fault, yet joe threw him off the building, good guy Joe.
I 🐺 you! 💗
So what did you think of YOU Season 3? What's in store for Season 4?
i don't think Love is dead.
This was a great season! Definitely my favorite of the three so far. I had forgotten that Joe and Will are still pals; thanks for the reminder. I was wondering how he got to Paris. Now I wonder how he got the money to go there. Presumably since he planned everything so meticulously, he took the precaution of getting some money together before leaving. Or maybe he still has access to Benji's stolen stuff in storage and sold some of it.
Joe becomes Le Samurai
super disappointed love shouldn't have died
I don't know where in Paris that's supposed to be set...It looks more like the Las Vegas replica. Maybe he's still in the USA?
Joe not killing Theo showed he really didn’t love Love anymore because he would kill anyone for “you”
love had become a nuisance at that point.
@@PrincessofthePrincesses she was a nuisance to me as soon as she became hypocritical.
@@stealthycore joe was the hypocrite, he was happy to kill for marianne because he ‘loved’ her, but hated love for killing people who she viewed as a threat to her family unit
@@phoebe8579 I agree but that was towards mid-end at least in the very beginning he was attempting to be a family even tho he felt stuck. Love literally started the killing as soon as she witness ANY type of cheating from Joe. They were both horrible but you can't say he didn't at least held off killing until she started it over jealousy. idk my opinion.
@@PrincessofthePrincesses the thing is i think love did genuinely put off killing natalie at first, at least until she had definitive proof that joe was obsessed with natalie; she didn’t care if he was cheating, only if he was obsessed with her and therefore if she posed a genuine threat to tear apart her family because love knows how far joe will go to fulfil his obsessions. i don’t think it was necessarily just jealousy, but a desire to protect the only family she genuinely cared about and needed now forty is dead. i really do think that if love hadn’t have killed natalie, joe would have been the first to kill either natalie or her husband once his obsession really took hold of him. my issue really is with people acting like love is so much worse than joe and that joe’s moral code isn’t just as skewed as love’s.
It was said in s2, that love bakes when she’s stressed and she opened a whole bakery in season 3.
I kept wondering what she was doing with all the product she didn't sell. Her business was really slow most of the time!
@@keelahrose I thought the same thing plus with all the murders how in the world she had time to even bake 😂😂
@@keelahrose she had enough people to feed in the basement.
Right it’s crazy if her friends were in this season they’d be like wtf full blown craze moment a whole bakery I wonder where her friends are?
@@The_Ritzler Oh great point! lol
Notice how they say “I wolf you” and they tried killing each other with Wolfbane. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 this show has hidden gems and play on words. I love it
That and the fact that they're both predators on the prowl, just like wolves in sheep's skin...
Such A GOOD POINT
Also, Joe said „I Wolf you more“ which literally manifested itself in season 3, they both „wolfed“ each other, but he „wolfed“ her more.
@@annarubas4724 mastermind
another hidden gem is that marianne escaped to paris, the very same destination peach was going to whisk beck to away from joe. marianne, another book-lover with a toxic ex and creative aspirations, manages to escape to paris and live the alternate life beck could have had she not stayed with joe.
sherry and cary annoyed me but somehow they were extremely likeable when they were in the cage 😂 i loved how even as she just got shot in the ear they’re still using therapy words to speak to each other. “that’s not fair it’s my turn to talk”-cary after grazing sherry’s ear 😂😂 they had me dead
Yeah, I aboslutely hated them at the start, but they grew into better characters as they were in the cage.
They were so cute!
“Give me a flag”
They were wacky af! But it worked for them they had the best relationship in the show
It's truly a subversion of expectations by making the most seemingly superficial couple turn out to be the most genuine one. Also the words of Cary: "I love all sides of you!" contrasted by Joe who only loved certain specific sides of Love.
This show basically taught us that even if joe found real love he wouldn’t be happy.
Only if he gets together with Lucy from 50 first dates
Yea at this point joe needa chill 😂
@@judgmentangel5413 😂😂😂😂😂
I think it really shows that his abdonment issues lead to him trying to find happiness in others, people or women he looks to bring it to him and women he make happy, but deep down he’s not gonna be satsfied or happy bc he needs to heal and find it in himself
Show taught me that joe will never be happy and always searching for the one he will never stop
I can’t believe it took Joe 3 seasons to realise he has mommy issues
And then immediatley disregard it
Facts lol
At least it's something! Some people don't realize it for their entire life
They all looked like his mom
Til Marianne!
@@humansponge what does looking like their mom have to do with mommy issues Lmaooo
I thought this season was great. Never thought Sherry and her husband would escape, im glad Joe didnt kill Theo.
Further proving he didn't love her anymore because Theo admitted to sleeping with love he would normally kill
My theory: Theo is Joe's half brother
Right I'm glad not everyone was just murdered
@@lavishmisfittink3214 exactly !!!
@@SM11491 He's too young to be I believe. Joe's brother seems to be around 2/3 in the flashback and he was probably like 11 which would leave an about 8 year difference. I think Joe present Joe is around 30 and Theo is 19. Could still be possible though if my ages are off.
Joe seeing his mom with another child and then she comes and talks to him and completely abandons him again in the streets for a new family makes my heart break.
then she tries to say that sometimes people need to start over completely
YOU DONT START OVER BY GETTING A NEW CHILD MARY
Thats an entire person she sent away for her own sake, like how did she think that was ok
@@Dtctr010 Just like Joe when he grows up and his "love" for women, his mom didn't see Joe or her new kid as well, kids to raise, but as something to validate her feelings
Right ! I feel like his mother let the example that’s it’s okay to start over and therefore he felt like that’s what he had to do with his kid 🥺🥺 he could have fought for him but he let his obsessions be a priority
@@Dtctr010 that wasn’t his mom. That was the lady who works at the school.
@@studioj6164 it was his mom... in a flashback.... AFTER nurse Fiona "left" (possibly died) and then sometime later, Joe left and ran into his mom and his younger half-brother "Jakey" (who was sitting in his car seat in the van/car) as Joe confronted his mother. Just thought I'd elaborate that scene for you in case you missed it or forgot it.
I just realized that roast chicken was also the first meal Love ever made for Joe from S2
i love the detail
was looking everywhere for this comment... their first and last meal together... was pretty sad when i realized what it was foreshadowing!
And the last
The acting this season was brilliant
*Sherrie and her husband doing a Ted Talk at the end cracked me up lol!* 😂
Those characters came a long way. I was originally hoping Love and/or Joe would murder them both, but then they started to grow on me once they were in the cage. I actually felt sorry for them. At least they truly love each other!
@@keelahrose you wanted them to murder more people?????
Yes I loved they characters
@@lovemorgan6690 Sure, why not. It was obvious he and Love were going to keep killing people, so they might as well kill the awful ones. I was not remotely sorry he killed the reporter. In for a penny, in for a pound!
@@keelahrose Same for me! I couldn't stand Sherry at first and was hopping she'd get 🔪 but she grew on me.
“I wolf you” the aconitine is also called wolf’s bane they literally wolfed each other but joe on the other hand wolfed love more.
I wolf you is so cringe 🤣
@@joyfulj1663 Lol, if a S.O. Doesn’t say that to me, I don’t want ‘em! 🐺
Huh? he literally cheated twice
@@reconvze don’t you get the joke? he gave her a bigger doses of wolfs bane so he wolfed her more
@@avah8053 it wasn’t funny
I honestly love that Sherry and Cary survived. They were toooooo damn silly and I was here for it 😂
Lmao right
i didnt like them at all till they showed a shred of humanity in that cage but they definitely deserved to live
Yeah I hated them! Then out of no where I found myself rooting for them - seeing their dynamic and communication skills- I wanted them to kill Joe and Love - but obviously there wouldn’t be a show after that…
LMAOOO they almost killed each other but they were funny
I totally agree with you. I teared up when they had a real genuine heart to heart.
I’m going to miss Love, IF, in fact she’s truly dead. Her acting skills are unmatched!
I really hope she isn't
I hope she comes back somehow 🤧
She is so likeable, on par with Joe, and also just as crazy
It'd be better if Love killed off Joe, his story got so repetitive and predictable, also, he has no attachment but to himself and to you, he even ditched his own son. He gets obsessed and then changes target. 3 seasons that were practically the same. He has no friends, and no character development. Love had a more complex and interesting story.
i really hoped she would successfully kill him instead
Everyone justifying Joe while also demonizing Love is exactly what is supposed to happen. We are also supposed to be manipulated by Joe as an audience and we would justify all his decisions because he is the main character. It is a critic on how much we will forgive our heroes if they’re attractive and charismatic. Just funny and interesting to see.
I read that people romanticise Joe and want to be with him... and of course there are this people, I shouldn't be surprised about that ... but still how can't they see. With Joe there is no being together, you can never be yourself , the moment something doesn't fit his picture of you he will kill you. Love knew she was broken and wrong... I wonder if Joe will get this insight about himself.
Been with a guy like Joe (aside from the murderer part) so it was easy to see past his bs so the whole time I was rooting for love.
I think the show shows our own ability to obsess about love and have co-dependent ways......thats why everyone is able to sympathise with Joe. Because your right 100% Joe was no better then love.
@@Jginthecutt I don't think he tried to be better morally speaking. He felt he was better than Love or too good for Love so he behaved accordingly while Love felt loosing control and her picture perfect family so she tried to clinge to it as hard as she could and deal with it the only way she knows... but her hot headed nature lost against Joe's coldness. He tried to manipulate her and she felt that. They never really talked about a future which could work. I hoped she would run away after Maryanne told her to. But she instead wanted to deal with it like always not seeing that it didn't work before why should it now.
@@Jginthecutt that's the problem though, Joe wasn't trying to be better he simply fell out of love hence why he would stop murdering and also claimed he did it for Henry which the therapist did call out it wasn't for Henry and to stop saying it was for Henry. But what happens the moment he once again fell in "love"? He murders merienne's husband because he hurts her and stood in the way of their love. He murders Love because she was in the way of their love and leaves Henry with other people because he was in the way of their love despite claiming it was because he couldn't be a good father to him, it more than that obviously. In reality no one should be supporting either Joe or love and if we did then bam we become hypocrites which let's be real the majority of the world is, hell even me for siding with love but I'll try to do that less.
Okay. But Sherry and her husband made me laugh like crazy during their moments in the cage. 😂😂 And when she slapped him to wake him up. I lost it.
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I was looking for this comment!
and he was like "that's sexy"😂😂and im like wtf?!
@@nothandophathokuhle2088 😂😂😂
Lol I know so funny when she slapped him 🤣😭💀
Joe will meet Emily in Paris, a dark comedy spin off show lol
This needs to happen lol.
who's emily?
Lol. That's what I thought too. 🤣🤣🙈
@@wijny4222 there's a different netflix show called Emily In Paris. 🤣🤣🤣
God I hope so, 😂
“don’t get hysterical, i took a seminar” *bang* was literally the funniest line/moment in this entire show LMAO
@Anoushka S that too
Who said this again? Dante ?
Who said that line and when?
@@arlisherstayaho8973 sherry said the seminar, Cary said the feminist part
My favorite was when Cary said “it won’t end well for Love, Sherry knows Krav Maga” with his whole chest as he was trying to fight off Joe 🤣🤣🤣 that killed me
i absolutely adored victoria pedretti's character, love, but honestly if she comes back i'll be disappointed, u can only pull the "omg my ex who i thought i had killed has come back to haunt me" card once yk
Thank you!!! I absolutely agree. I do not want her to come back. It’ll be repetitive of “dead” exes coming back.
especially after they handled candace’s comeback so poorly. it was truly my least favourite part of season two.
You know? I wish there was a club to discuss about this series and share each other's opinions 😂😂😂😂😂
There's no way she's coming back, these writers are not that dumb & repetitive
@@bharani5276 same lol i want to sit in a circle and discuss this stuff, super interesting
If you listen hard, the violin that plays right before Love dies is the same melody as when Beck was pretending to love Joe in the season 1 finale right before she stabs him. Pretty interesting parallel.
They literally used the song exile which goes like " i think i have seen this film before and i didn't like the ending". Well we all know how things ended with Beck and exactly the same with love 🙂
Joe is in love with and is obsessed with stalking women with issues which leads him to try and be some white knight. Beck was his best relationship and Love was the only one who would understand the real him, he’ll never be satisfied.
they brought out the worst in each other. Joe is looking for someone that will make him a better person and not look at him like he's trash when they find out he's a murderer
Joe couldn’t accept Love because he said she was a monster 😂 They were soulmates but couldn’t figure it out.
@@voguehaven5154 yea but that’s Delusional the only way they won’t look at him like trash is if they are equally as crazy aka Love.
@@candace9560 Soulmates that couldn’t figure out they were!
@@thomashines8 I think Love knew but Joe didn’t want to accept it because he thinks he’s better which I guess in a weird way he’s slightly better then her but both are off they’re rocker lol
The way Joe and love explained their plans to double cross each other came off like a anime villain explaining his latest technique lol
LMAO this man was always a step ahead
He was like light yagami
Joe knew what was gonna happen way ahead of what Love was planning on doing.
I got this feeling much more with love than with Joe, not sure why
@@Chironofolympus its this reason why I watch this show. Joe has a galaxy brain
Imagine Joe's half-brother being an FBI agent that's investigating Joe's crimes!
I can see his brother seeing his death on the news and wanting to learn more about him and perhaps going down the rabbit hole of Joe’s life, maybe in an official capacity, maybe not. That would be interesting.
Sort of like a Hank-Walter dynamic in breaking bad.
I can see that happening Joe meeting his half brother face to face idk how that will play out.
People might stop watching. I mean...how WOULDNT that have come out by now...Boo👎👎.
like squid games lol
I think the issue is Joe was trying to break old habits and Love constantly kept putting him positions to go back to his older self. He wanted someone to make him a better person, but because he and Love were so trauma bonded, they constantly kept gaslighting themselves into believing they are all that’s out there for each other…when in reality, they’re both sick individuals that needed to seek healing by THEMSELVES and NOT with each other.
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Agreed. I think people forget that in the beginning of season 2 that was the point. He wanted to put killing behind him, not necessarily stop stalking but he did want to find someone to love. Then it turns out Love is also a murderer and he immediately falls out of love with her (hook to her throat, about to kill her). So in the beginning of season 3, he doesn't even want to be with her (which is stated in a not so obvious way) but stays for Henry. The plot points I don't really understand though is Love seemingly still loved Joe even when she was going to kill him, but has no remorse for sleeping with Theo (even though Joe wouldn't give a damn if she did later on in the season) and still goes on to say shes trying to save her marriage at the end, and nobody will love Joe like she does, etc. Unless...her sleeping with Theo is when she stops suppressing the "little voice" in her head that Marienne talks about, even for just a moment?
? So love made him kill mariyan ex husband? He did that bc that is him
@@eternalfear88 love was toxic and didn’t understand accountability. she blamed her sleeping with theo on joe bc if he had made her feel more attractive, she wouldn’t have done it. the same way she blamed him for why SHE chose to kill natalie. the last episode, we see she basically blamed him for everything which shows how delusional she truly was.
@@utakatasama3263 old habits die hard. joe was still wrong for killing her ex husband….however, the ex was actively preventing joe from being with mariene and was also an evil dirtbag, hence why he did what he did. love killed based off assumptions. both are wrong, but while joe can control himself more, love cannot. she’s unpredictable but he wants stability (which love is not).
Now he knows how beck felt
this ‼️
LMAO
The self awareness he had this time is wat hits me..
LOVED season three! ( and 2 and 1 ). So looking forward to season 4. I agree, Sherry and hubbie in cage were hilarious!
What feeling if I may ask
I’m still convinced that somehow the piss that Joe left in that jar at Peach’s house is gonna catch up to him somehow
same!! it has to
Honestly it’s been years since that thing has happened. I think it already would’ve catch up with him
@setapartremnant On top of that. He is in France now. They couldn’t do anything about it even if they had hard proof evidence.
I’m pretty sure the DNA in piss is very minimal & it deteriorates very quickly. So if it wasn’t found very early on it would be useless to identify anyone. I mean I could be wrong it’s be ages since I have sat in on a science/biology class but yeah.
The DNA from his toe would match!!!! I love this idea!
Season 4 really should lead to Joe confronting his mother. We all know it’s coming. That HAS to be how this series ends.
I mean he literally already did, he understand why she in a sense “abandoned” him. He literally did the same with Henry.
I think he already killed his mom
@@Theendisnearasuouknowit I know he did as a child. I’m talking about as an adult. Joe confronting his mother and even his half brother as adults would be interesting to see and for his mother to see what he turned into.
@Brooklyn I THINK SO (just my theory)
I mean he is a SERIAL KILLER so I wouldn't be surprised if his first victim was his mother it makes sense.
@@daniolaldee his first victim was the crappy boyfriend of his mom
The camping scene had me dying 😂 my favorite part of the show
Facts kari is funny as hell
The funniest part is the way Cary said to him, look down. Look at my dick. Looll
Yo I’m glad I’m not the only one who found that hilarious. That part with the squirrel really hard me on the floor.
Cary is one helluva comic-relief. That camping episode was something else LOL even when he’s in the cage, his mannerisms and daily routines while still being locked up is so funny.
Definitely I was laughing so hard 🤣🤣🤣
Sherry was annoying as hell until we saw her in the cage. The cage brought out the best of her.
she did get on my nerves at first but then when she gave blunt, realistic marriage advice in that one episode where Joe went camping it showed that she had some sense of wisdom. also it says something if the narcissistic couple had better communication skills, respect, and understanding of one another while the quinn-goldbergs on the other hand keep saying "we're a great team" even tho said team is trying to find ways to do things behind each other's backs
Is anyone going to talk about when 40 came back and sings “I’ll be there” …made me cry 😭
that whole scene is so insanely good 😭 you could see how broken she was after forty’s death
omg that scene killed me 🥺🥺🥺
made me SOB. that scene was one of the best scenes i’ve seen in film recently. the acting and everything really, really touches you
I loved this season and I am very excited about the next. I enjoyed Sherry's character even though she is someone I would never gel with in real life, and ultimately even the relationship between her and her husband. I'll miss Love, but boy was she emotionally exhausting 😩😧
THIS SEASON WAS THE WORST 😂
yeah her continually killing people... exhausting
@@awildelife personally the first episode should of happend about midway, covered it up the way they did and explore a different ending
Was the dose she gave Joe at the end supposed to kill him or it was just a paralysis dosage. I thought she never meant to kill Joe and only Joe had the agenda of killing Love.
@@lawrencemajor7176 yeah love gave enough to paralyse him from the waist down, not the intention to kill
I wouldn’t go so far as to say Joe kills bad people based on a moral compass. Many of his murders have been anything other than justified by morality - he attempts to convince the audience (and himself) otherwise, but he is an unreliable, delusional narrator. Beck and Peach are prime examples of cold, calculated kills that benefit only Joe and no-one else. Hell, I’d go so far as to say the same for Benji, he’s a cheater and a sexist but he’s nowhere near as morally corrupt as some of the other abusive “villains” of the show, like Henderson or Ryan. I do think Joe is framed as an anti-hero in some instances, but Love’s point that what he does is no better than what she does is fair. A murderer is a murderer, no matter how one spins it.
I know, I was like "No, we all now he is a villian" no an anti-hero"
Yep he kind of kills everyone in the way of his obsesion or whoever discovers his crimes.
I mean if we still used the "they killed other people to protect those they love" reason, that doesn't make Joe any different from Love. She murdered Forty's babysitter as well as other people that posed a threat to her relationship with Joe (Theo is the most recent example, but I know there were other characters she killed in season 2 for this very reason). Joe and Love are almost direct reflections of each other, Love just happens to be able to afford to cover up her crimes.
Don’t forget the guy Candace was cheating on Joe with. He pushed that man off a building for no reason lmao
@@bleepbloop8081 exactly!!!!
My favorite line is "oh shi* Love is gonna kill you now "
But she didn't kill Marianne *phew*
I WAS SCREAMING WHEN HE SAID THAT LIKE JOE LOOK WHAT YOU DID 😮
🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s the way he says it, too. 😂
I absolutely lost it🤣 The way he said was like “you’re gonna die….not me”.. she loves me🤣🤣
So if Marianne hadn't went to Joe's house with her daughter, Love probably would have killed her. The daughter changed everything because notice how Love went from "I am about to kill this home wrecker" to "Wow, I actually like her and feel bad for her" then she realized she should be blaming Joe for their marriage problems and not Marianne.
no idea why she was so obsessed with him ... he was a bad husband lmao
@@SM-ce1uy I agree, horrible husband even if both are serial killers
Sherry and Cary really grew on me last episodes and I was so glad they got out! The show is "balanced" in that way bc if EVERYONE died all the time, it just wouldnt be great to watch. ALSO I THINK MARIENNE KNOW JOE DID IT. She's smart like that... A woman told her to run, that woman died. Kinda says itself especially with the type of mindset and awerness she seemed to have.
I agree with everything you said
That woman died… yes but his “remains” were in the fire. He’s also “dead” and according to the letter left behind Joe was just the lapdog.
Sherry and cary sounds like sharing and caring
Here are my thoughts on why Jo can't seem to love Love Quinn:
- First, she is a female sort of reflection of himself and he hates himself.
- Secondly, she is the only one who stayed with him and kept loving him after finding out the real "him" (aka a mass murderer), and I don't think he believes he is worth that... hence whenever a woman loves him without truly knowing what he's capable of, he goes along and loves her, but he does not think that he deserves to be loved for who he really is, because (see my 1st point) he hates himself for his actions.
Exactly 😂😂
Also coz she is his twin flame. He wants a good pure woman, and he hated her the minute he found out she was a killer too
@@joyfulj1663 that woman doesn't exist 🤣
@@kennethkwai1519 good pure woman in the sense that she is not evil like him. Also when she discovers his true nature, he expects her to continue loving him. So beck hated him so he killed her. Love continued to love him.but she was also a killer so he hated her too lol he was stuck with her because she was pregnant with his kid. The theme throughout is that he will.protect kids because of his own childhood. So even more so with his own kid
No Love and Joe are fundamentally different, Love is there for the moment but he wasn’t there at all he hated her because he thinks there’s no justification to her actions and her didn’t even bother to understand where she is coming from or sympathise with her when he found out at therapist that they’re both having the same issues but different background stories he is just obsessive and never known her or loved her or even see her. That’s sad and bad.
One of my favorite thing about You is how Joe pokes fun of the plastic, fake hypocrites in each city of the three seasons.
But he’s also the fakest, bigger liar of them all. Everyone’s a hypocrite lol
Every character in this show is a terrible person 😭
@@dpatra7081except for the gay couple
This season in a nutshell: 'Love' hurt, 'Love' scars, 'Love' wounds, and marks.
Any heart
Not tough
Or strong enough
To take a lot of pain, take a lot of pain
Love is like a cloud
Holds a lot of rain
Love Hurts!
Funny thing I figured out: There's a quote: ''love will kill you''. Love is Joe's girlfriend, Will is Joe's name in S2, killing is what this show is about and it's called YOU so that makes perfect sense
And lastly, love dies
Love was so bad for him he really wanted to change
I have a big feeling that Love isn’t dead.
She’s smart enough, she hesitated before killing joe because she knew way before thah he knew that she was gonna poison him.
Plus she had tons of time to leave the house before it got up in flames.
Little Joe was adorable. He even had adult Joe's speaking pattern down.
What i find funny is Love was so surprised that Joe was having an affair but meanwhile she was having sex with the neighbour. Love was really unlikeable this season, she is the reason everything turned out the way it did.
No but forreal tho!!!
I'm shocked no one talked about Love's and Theo's relationship. If it was the other way around people would have complaint.
@@itsmequeenbee235 Ikr? Like Joe knew Love kissed Theo before he started doing anything with Marianne, He even saved his life. Love was a complete psycho who cared for nobody except herself, she even wanted to bring another child into her fucked up world.
@@lezimo5407 Yea she did want a second child and it was wrong of her. When she actually said on the screen my eyes opened wide and I thought to myself "What the hell." She kept repeating her and Joe were solid but every move before she done that she was luring in Joe before he could even leave.
@C G Joe didn’t want a psycho for a mom i guess, can’t really blame him. Although he isn’t much better himself. Also, Love didn’t love Joe at the end, she just didn’t want to lose him
Joe really made me mad this season. He’s acting as if what Love does is any worse than what he does. Also, this dude will never be satisfied with any woman. I’m hoping for a loophole for Love in season 4.
Your standards for mentally ill psychopaths are too high
Hoping he goes to prison
ong tho, and honestly yea, its getting getting repetitive, they should wrap it up next season, and I wouldn't mind love coming back, and they somewhere die together, or just kill off joe, and let love live.
@@999ty3 I doubt they would do that, its a show that a lot of people like, its one of the 15-30 shows that keeps people watching.
he didn't want her at the end of season 2 when he found out she murdered delilah, he only married her for the baby.
Theo was one of my favorite characters from this season, I was so happy he didn’t get killed 😭
He was so stupid & got off easy he was lucky
@@ayemar1660 Yes. Because he was old enough to understand the severity of sabotaging ones relationships and also preyed on her vulnerability knowing when shit got hard. So yes. He got lucky that Joe showed a bit of compassion. That same suburban pussy almost got him killed so i don’t count that as a flex.
@@ayemar1660 yes...tf. He was so annoying and creepy. I could sympathize and focus on how he wants to connect with someone and he's hormonal, but I really don't care. He was just a nuisance
Actually I just thought about it but 'm surprised no one mentioned Love and Theo's relationship. If it was the other way around people would had blown it up in 90% of the comments
Me too. That poor dumb cute kid. 😅😅😅
This season was so stressful! Omg Love was killing left and right😅 The whole time I couldn’t stop thinking about how he was gonna get out of this mess this time 😂😂
Love only killed one person :|
Exactly, love only killed one person this season but somehow people keep talking like she has a body count as high as Joe's...it shows how easily people fall for double standards & the narrative that a woman is crazy & much worse if she does the exact same thing the guy is doing
Joe does not “love”, he uses people and projects his ideals on his female victims and when he realizes they are flawed and real human beings with real problems , he steps in to force-make his victims into how he thinks they should be. Also, his murder code does not exists has a “higher-moral-code” than his wife’s, Love. It only reflects his self diluted idea that he is a “vigilante” like you mentioned, a “good guy”. He takes it upon himself to help these kids because is a way for him to tell himself he is not a bad person, does it for complete self interest. The only time he did something selfless for one of his victims was when he was going to let Delilah be free because of his friendship with her and Ali.
When Joe finally found someone who loves him exactly has he is, a murderer, he quickly falls out of love because he cannot accept Love the way she is (going back to this elusive way to see women), clearly showed in this season by depicting how much he struggles to stay invested in is so called “love” in his marriage. The reason we like this show is not because Joe is a “vigilante” and a complex guy. It’s because we are riding his train of self-elusion and even for us as the viewers it becomes difficult to untangle his psyche. I love how this show dives DEEP into his thought process. This makes us relate and want to understand his mind and motivations.
Nailed it lol
yes, agreed but also thought he would at least make an exception as she was his child's mother. it grossed me out in the end. I am done watching it now and have gone to rate it 6/10
Wrongo
@@SM-ce1uy have you people not seen handmaid tale? Smh men who are crazy do not make exceptions! Lol
@@SM-ce1uy it was very brutal for sure. I was very moved by the understanding between Love and Marianne about Joe's dangerous obsessions. Was definitely hoping that Joe would actually die in Love's hands. But when i heard they had renewed for a new season, I knew they were going to pull some made up explanation for Joe to come on top, he's the main character after all. It was a very upsetting ending for me, we are finally untangling Joe's psyche and is not setting well with us. Serial killer indeed.
I would have loved to see what their therapist thought after what happened in the end 😂
Idk if I am the only one, but I really felt like Joe and Love were the best possible match, and I disliked the ending, it felt rushed. I also feel even if Love didn't stay with Joe she still could have contributed to the story still. In some weird way I was rooting for them as a couple lol.
The ending and the beginning with Love killing Natalie were the most fun and interesting parts to watch.
@@Theendisnearasuouknowit I just didn’t like how Love KEPT killing people, it got exhausting
If this was real life I'd be pissed for them to ruin a perfect chance at a great life. But it's a show and that would be boring so I welcome the drama, lol
@@MHammonds18 Love only kill 1 person in season 3. Kills Natalie, knocks out Gil who commits suicide, knocks out Theo who survives. The thing that got tiring to me was the way they shot all 3 swings literally in the same manner i.e. person is walking away, Love says something, person turns around, Love swings.
@@eternalfear88 That doesn’t justify anything. She kept putting herself and Joe into predicaments that could’ve been completely avoided. And yes in my eyes she did kill Gil. He would’ve been alive if she would’ve let the man walk out the store. There would be no reason to dig up his past and use it against him that eventually led him to kill himself. It’s the same as if someone give keys to a drunk person and that said drunk person dies in a car crash. You…in turn…yes…would be a *murderer.*
Peach Salinger didn‘t die (We never really saw, if it was her body in the body bag. It also could have been Raj, the medical student, who must have been laying on the bed Joe was hiding under. Joe somehow left his hiding spot without Raj noticing him - or maybe he did and got killed 😉). Peach moved to Paris like she originally planned. She didn‘t tell Beck, because they had this huge fight about Peach’s sexuality and Peach finally accepted that Beck isn‘t interested in a romantic relationship. Plus: she didn’t want anyone to know, especially people close to Joe, that she survived the gunshot. The private investigator was actually hired by Peach herself, not her family.
In season 4, Joe and Peach will run into each other in Paris and she is going to seek revenge for Becks death. The show would come full circle and, to me, that would be the perfect ending.
Imagine Joe‘s face in shock, when he hears Peach’s voice calling him „Joseph!“, he realises Peach is alive and that he will never be able to escape the consequences of his actions, no matter how far he travels. #JusticeForPeachSalinger
I honestly would love to see this happen. Joe’s obsessive relationships are getting monotonous, s4 definitely needs to be different. I would to see either love or peach. Love could still be alive. I don’t see Victoria exiting the series so early.
@@jizzle4snizzle I seen an interview where she said Love was really dead but who knows. She dies in the book.
Well also Joe keeps on name dropping Peach in Season 2 and 3 even if it is just a one liner.
Then again how could peach have survived though? In season 1, Joe shot peach.
I know and I don‘t doubt he did. But we never got to see, where he shot her. The show is very graphic and I think it‘s not a coincidence that Peach’s death and her corpse were never shown.
What ruined Love for me was when she started to show her ultimate true colors and acted less and less like an adult. For starters. Joe obviously was seen trying to live a better life for his child, even when it became too much. Even if he was in a position he didn’t like. The thing is though. Love was just a hot head who could not control her emotions for anything. This is shown by her killing the neighbor for what was simply a kiss that Joe ACTUALLY declined. To then blame Joe saying it’s all his fault. This is also shown by her wacking Gil and keeping him in the cage. To which later in the show Joe even says “We could’ve just sued them.” It’s clear Joe is objectively more rational than Love and the fact that she is not a logical person at all lead to him constantly being brought into situations he could not escape. Where I began to lose respect for her was when she became extremely hypocritical. Gets mad at Joe for KISSING the neighbor, KILLS her. But when she does the same with Theo and Joe only gets UPSET, he is the bad guy. Then she goes the extra mile to sleep with Theo not once but TWICE…But when Joe sleeps with Marriane ONCE, she completely blows it out of proportion. She put them into so many situations that were so preventable just by keeping a level head. Joe realized this when they were in the rain. Telling her he would be burying bodies until he was 70. Because if he doesn’t give her his all. She will continue to kill people. Even to a degree where her own dysfunctional mother can see that she is full of shit. I mean she missed her childs first steps because she wanted to take a trip to pound town. The sexy neighbor died because she couldn’t keep her cool. Gil committed suicide in the end after being caged for days. Because she couldn’t keep her cool. The fake woman and her macho husband overheard her admit she killed Natalie…Because she couldn’t keep her cool. But it was always Joe to blame. She was so quick to make everything everyone else’s fault but could never take accountability and always ran from it. In the end. These characters were written so well. This season showed that as crazy as Joe is. There was someone he found crazier than him. They made the insanity feel so real. And in the end she got what she deserved. I’m not saying Joe is an angel. But throughout the season until the very end he was at least self aware and showed SOME sort of Growth & Development.
I agree 100%! I’m not sure why people wanted Joe dead. He’s a lot more rational than Love. He really only killed one person this season and he deserved it. She was going bat shit crazy on everyone. I was starting to get a little bored and irritated….I’m glad not everyone ended up dead.
@@stephanieexclusif Yea and this sets up the 4th season for a perfect finding of Marianne. A good plot point. Can’t wait to see how they go about this. I feel like something from his past will catch up with him though. What’s done in the dark will come to light.
I agree
I couldn’t agree more
Preach
Here's a little theory... Joe's friend in that orphanage in his flashbacks looks so similar to his co worker/friend in season 1.
Yeah I think they are the same person, but I dont understand how he never suspects anything. Literally everywhere Joe/Will/Nick goes something bad happens and all the girls he dates disappear or end up dead. He should come forward, maybe he has something on him to keep him quiet.
The bookstore friends name is Ethan. The little boy in the orphanage is named Paulie.
@@gabbyharris1235 well changing names and whole identities is a thing ESPECIALLY in this show
This show was so terrifically thought out. Takes a genius to write something like this. I’m completely invested !
My predictions (or hopes really) for season 4. Is that either the person that candice was periodically checking in with that she mentioned in season 2 or the PI hired by Peach's family to look into her death (if either of them are women) , find joe and seduce him into becoming obsessed with them to get him to confess to his crimes on record or catch him in the act with plan to go to the police. I hope season 4 is the last season but i wont be satisfied with an ended that doesnt include the weight of ALL of Joe's crimes catching up to him
It would also be nice if ellie came back to take some kind of revenge
Same!
Lol at first I thought Natalie was an investigator who moved in next door for that reason.
Peach’s PI was a guy
@@dailytrash8540 why would she joe didn’t kill her love did
tbh, i feel like Joe is going to realize that Love was, realistically speaking, perfect for him. esp since she was the only one that understood him. only problem is that Love was extremely impulsive, they both were incredibly hypocritical, & Joe just did not love her anymore (considering he literally killed her), but since it took Joe 3 seasons to finally figure out that he has mommy issues, maybe it won’t take long for him to realize that if he had really committed to Love instead of painting her out to be a monster, they would’ve been happy together. so i feel like there will be a bit of regret & guilt going on in his head for season 4. i also feel like he’s not going to find Marianne, it wouldn’t make sense if he found her either way, you know? so, he finds her, then what? he’d be considered a deadman walking. on top of him killing her ex husband & let’s not forget his other murders. who knows, maybe they’ll come back to bite him in the ass. anyways, IF Marianne does come back into the story then she would honestly see Joe as a HUGE threat to herself & her daughter. but besides that, we’ve all established a very very long time ago that Joe is just in love with the idea of being in love & obsessed with stalking women he thinks he can “fix,” so there’s absolutely no way that this whole season is just going to be about him looking for Marianne. if so, that’s an interesting way of doing things, but he is most definitely going to find someone new.. maybe even someone different. maybe he’ll find someone that was like Love but without the killings involved. but let’s be real, even if he found the most perfect woman to ever exist, he’ll never be satisfied.
Yess!,
I don’t understand all these titles saying “ending explained” was anyone confused! It was all pretty straight forward…
Me too, only came here to see the discussion about what people thought
Wouldn't it have shown on Gil's credit card statement that the last place he was was buying cupcakes at the bakery? Also, why would anyone think that Joe's murder of the news anchor was just a random robbery, when the guy was pushed off a building, immobilized, and THEN stabbed multiple times
1. He did buy cupcakes, his credit card can show that, but they found his body at his house, so they assume he got cupcakes and went back home
2. Even as up to date as forensics are nowadays, I don’t think they can tell if someone’s been pushed off a building. Maybe they see some impact damage, but that could be from the rough robbery. I don’t think they checked the body for previous drug/alcohol use or tried to see if he’d been drugged in any way since it seemed to be such an obvious robbery/random killing
But what about Ellie? They mentioned her a few times this season hinting towards her still being involved but a little sad she didn’t make an appearance
I hope she shows up in season 4
Ellie was the best character !!
*Joe Goldberg has entered your city*
“Aight imma head out”
Lmao. 😂
😂😂😂
Chekov’s Sibling, you just know that half brother is gonna pop up soon!
Why tf would he pop up, for what reason
That’s some Dexter shit
@@n0name I don’t know why he’d pop up. It’s just a suggestion. A better question would be “Why tf did they mention a half brother if he doesn’t advance the plot further down the story?”
My theory: Theo is the half brother.
Awful mom (never saw her), lives with stepdad, as "passionate" as Joe when it comes to women and Joe didn't kill him and the age diference seems about right...I mean, just saying...
@@SM11491 But the half brother is named Jakey.
I really enjoyed this season and they made me love/hate everyone…. Definitely a great roller coaster. They really show you how crazy you can be in a marriage 🤣🤣
Annoyed that he keeps getting away with murder, also scary to know that we may come across murderers everyday who, like Joe, walk free afterwards 😐
I wish they showed more scenes with the Therapist towards the last half. She was honestly so great. Also, I love how this show makes me root for the couple when they "get better" but also want them to fail because they're literally murderers and crazy.
I LOVED the therapist part best-
This season was incredible. Omg man. Wow. So many things i can say about this season in detail but im not typing a whole books worth in a youtube comment lol
ong i feel the same way, wish you would've written the comment lol
He’s in Paris to get Emily....to save all of us
Lol then he will be the true anti-hero lol…but I think Emily is too annoying, shallow, and juvenile for his taste. He likes the broken, vulnerable damsel in distress. Emily is too head strong and proud.
@@margotk538 he will kill her beacause Emily has been annoying Marieanne
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@@ShweMyaukMyauk 😂😂😂
@@ShweMyaukMyauk LMAO now I would watch that 😂😂
I wonder if Ellie will make an appearance in s4
I hope
Who tf is Ellie
@@ClaireEmilia Delilah's sister
and paco!!
Interesting.
is it bad that i absolutely love Love and think she’s a great character? i hated joe for not loving her anymore
Even after all of the murdering Joe did, I still felt the cruelest thing he did was tell Love he wanted another baby the same day he’s planning on leaving her. What a piece of 💩
I got so mad when he killed Love, I honestly wished the show would end ever since Theo found the cage. Forty and Love where my favourite characters, I am greatly disappointed. But didn’t Love use the same knife that was laced with wolfsbane as Joe? She’s smart wouldn’t she of had a backup plan? I hope she didn’t actually die.
Love did use the same knife as Joe but she was wearing an oven mitt thing so her skin wouldn't touch it.
I hope she didn't die either. I was waiting for her to wake up 😭😭
@@nextstopfamilytrips wake up and what? Burn? Lmao
Why are you mad he killed her she was trying to kill him 1st. He asked for a divorce. He didn't want to kill her, she's Henry's mom but she would kill him so he had to.
@@crazymadstriker766 lol! I meant before i knew he would burn the house. Whatever is just a show! I'm over it! 🤣🤣
I love that Joe met his match with Love like SHE COULD READ HIM SO WELL IT WAS IINSANE
Joes going to end up stalking Villanelle from Killing Eve and realize he really messed up this time. 😂 😂 😂
That would be the best crossover ever 😂💯
I already thought about this long ago when I first started watching Killing Eve lol I would love to see their interactions.
🤣🤣🤣
That would be awesome
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I am honestly so sad that love is gone. she was one of my favorite characters. I loved how she was so emotional and invested in Joe. I wish that it honestly worked out better for them. it just shows that because of Joe's abandonment issues he convinces himself that he doesn't love her anymore and needs to find someone new. Because what he really needs to do to show his love is violence. once that is over he doesn't love anymore.
I actually felt like Joe was trying not to kill anyone after Henry came into his life and he even tried to drug news reporter but not tried to kill him at the beginning and at last he killed him only for "you". Secondly from the day love's mother said to Joe that Love killed her ex. Joe knows that he should be ready to face Love at any point. At last Joe's plan was to run away but he ended up killing love. It was kind of sad though
The fact that people are justifying either of their actions, especially Love's is beyond me. They're both murderers and Love was just all over the place. I couldn't wait for her demise, I'd like to see Joe get what he has coming as well.
I was hoping they’d both go out together 😂
Thank you! I so wanted them both to die in that house fire. Like Romeo and Juliet only more twisted. And to have henry raised by good people.
A lot of people ousting themselves as real life equavalents of the characters by supporting the actions of either one
Maybe because it’s a tv show 🧐🧐🧐😂 I love both their characters to be honest and was rooting most of the time for them lol
Sometimes even relate.. well of course not the murder part LOL
@@Glloriia It being a TV Show still doesn’t correlate with people trying to actively justify the situations they were in. I don’t know where you got that from. I can relate to some of the toxicity they went through but thats LITERALLY about it.
I am so glad I started watching this series!! Season 3 did NOT disappoint!!
I'm honestly upset that Love is dead and was lowkey hoping she would kill Joe. Would've been really interesting to see the reaction to something like that and it also would've made sense story wise considering Joe simply refuses to change. He's literally a broken record.
Its joe’s story not love’s
@@LilBersa ong. I'd probably stop watching if Joe died and love took over the show
@The Shadow of Dredgen Yor omg that’s a good idea
@The Shadow of Dredgen Yor didn’t the house get burnt down with love inside it
I would stop watching lol
The saddest part was when Love was texting Forty and pouring her heart out(( She was talking to her soulmate knowing she wasn't going to get a reply- there is no one to understand her anymore.
When Dottie tells Love that she liked that Forty needed protection Love says maybe she did, but all in all, Love needed protection too (at least from the toxic family she grew up in). The reflection of what she gave to her soulmate (Forty) was what she herself lacked too.
Love wants a sibling for Henry because she sees how bad she and Joe can affect Henry, and that he would need protection- protection she did not receive. She also thinks of having a daughter-sister to Henry, like she was to Forty.
On the contrary we see Joe, who got away from toxic household, but has the same pattern as Love- protects his soulmate while needing a protection himself.
And the fact that both of them understand how toxicity affects a child, they do everything to take care of Henry right. Joe leaving Henry with Dante was also a proof of this.
Love deserved everything that came to her. She was out of control and indecisive the entire season, making impulsive decisions that Joe had to clean up. It was getting irritating.
and whos fault is that? Who cheated on their neighbor first... if joe kept his dick on his pants love wouldnt have to deal with all kinds of shit
@@jastinabbbbb5205 Joe didn't sleep with the neighbor at all. Love killed Natalie because she wanted to sleep with Joe. It's her fault for not thinking before she acts.
@@tiara1522 not justifying what love did cause they’re both fucked how but however! ☝🏽 Love did find Joe’s treasure box which had Natalies panties in them and Love knows Joe and how he gets obsessive with a woman he’s eyeing. Joe is a dumbass he knows his wife acts out of emotion and is very impulsive he got sloppy that time
@@kamayasimone502 But the rest were all on Love. She hit the neighbour over the head because he gave her son measles. She was the one who was screaming about killing Natalie, that's how Sherry and Cary found out & Theo was also down to her. All Joe did was kill Ryan, which was smooth and clean, it didn't get traced back to him. Love would just do reckless things, cause a problem and expect Joe to clean up her mess. She wasn't clever with it at all.
@@akhan645 Ik what love did, I’m just talking about how joe was a lil sloppy with the Natalie situation
And still nobody has pointed out that no doors are locked and everyone can go in and out at will except the Momfluencer and her husband, lol.
I know! Such lazy writing how they don’t explain how people get everywhere, joe gets into the ex-husbands (I think Ryan?) house how… liek he’s a news person you would think he would lock his doors, and joe and love don’t lock their doors either?? Like they’re murderers, how
@@el8174 Joe has expertise in breaking and entering.
Love caused majority of problems this season, I was counting down the episodes until he offed Love lol. It was nice that people got to escape with their lives this season. Excellent writing with endless possibilities for season 4. Can’t wait for Cobra Kai season 4 to wrap up the year on Netflix
I love constantly got on my nerves without Joe she would be in a crazy asylum or dead after she killed her victims she was always freaking out calling him to fix her problems love was so selfish and annoying the both of them are psychopaths
actively looking for noble reasons to kill is only one little step above what Love was doing
Agreed!
@@jijgigijiwapo exactly bro i dont know why people cant see that
@@jijgigijiwapo Probably because she murdered more people? For even dumber reasons?
You got that Joe was actively looking for noble reasons to kill?
I don’t think we watched the same show. Yes let’s TOTALLY forget about Joe trying to live normal and move on. Let’s forget he was trying to actually be there for his child. Let’s forget that he ended up wanting a divorce. Joe killed ONE person the entire season. The same can’t be said for the other 2. She was completely insane.
Okay but Love was holding that knife when cutting the chicken Joe grabbed when he became paralyzed? She didn’t from that? She also planted all that. My wishful thinking is she found a way around the flower. I loved Love!!!!
She was wearing kitchen mitt so it didn’t absorb into her skin
Wow the name of the cafe, the drawing, the lone wolf comment, the Fitzgerald references … I love that it’s clear this show always knows where it is headed.
It was after he finally got the girl he wanted and the family he wanted & the life he wanted I realized he was never going to stop 😩 he doesn’t want Love and a relationship he just wants to stalk these women prey on them gas light manipulate & mirror exactly what they want then when they no longer serve his purpose or his view he throws them away 💯💯💯 Lmfao like the whole time I was telling myself he will never love love because in order for him to accept the killing she has done he had to see everything he did as wrong as well and he’s unable to see his own patterns 💯
Yes narcissist in print!
omg YES
My thoughts exactly 💯
I don’t think this is all the way true but I do agree. Joe had self awareness. And showed the ability to take accountability multiple times in THIS season specifically. Also. It’s clear in the show that he realized his patterns when he came to the realization that every woman who meant something in his life all went out the same. Admitting that it stemmed from his mommy issues. I feel like people skip over these heavy facts to paint him out to be worse than Love when in reality she was the biggest problem this season.
@@stealthycore fax her comment is obviously one sided and bias😂
I see many people upset with Loves death… but I think they’re forgetting that THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ROUTING FOR THE SERIAL MURDERERS WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. I love this show so much, and I think it’s absolutely brilliant for telling on its audience for their problem with rationalizing and defending horrible people because they’re attractive and charismatic.
I've yet to see any comments complaining about Love dying. Only comments talking about people talking about it
I started to find her annoying with her impulsive killing. I’m glad she is gone.
I only want Love to be in the show because I love the actress 😭 dont hate me ahahahha
You can root for anyone in fiction. Of course we wouldn't want Joe or Love to thrive in real life, but that's the point of fiction, we allow ourselves to feel and behave in ways we would never in reality.
@@shanouboubou when you think of known famous predators that went years without consequences and go over cases of actual serial killers, I truly don’t think the reaction to Joe or Love is that far off.
I'm afraid you missed the entire point. "Joe has a moral compass for his killing, whereas Love is just emotional." Lol, that's how HE sees it, and it's literally the whole point. It's the most prominent social commentary present in the series since he found out what she was. Women get demonized for the very same things men can get away with. Murder is murder, there is no moral murder. Every murder Joe committed was emotional ("I'm doing it for love, I would do anything for love"). Heck, he'd kill friends of his lovers just because he saw them standing in the way of what he wanted. Claiming that he's moral and calculated while she's emotional is pure sexism and you fell for it.
This is a really interesting take, and I agree with several points you made. However there's no denying that Joe's crimes are carefully planned out, whereas Love's are all impulsive (her favorite word, lol) and poorly thought out or not thought out at all, which is why people say that she leads with emotion rather than calculation. I think you're right about "murder" never being moral (There's an argument to be had about what counts as murder; hence the quotation marks.) but it's also undeniable that we DID see Joe commit murder, or help cover up someone else's murder, for altruistic reasons. Remember Pablo in season 1. And if he had killed the nurse's abusive boyfriend, it certainly wouldn't have been because the guy was standing in his way or for romantic love; he was just a kid, and the show didn't indicate that he had those kinds of feelings for the nurse whatsoever. However I think you're right about him being emotional and about a certain element of sexism. Joe was free to go off and do what he pleased while Love was trapped raising a child she probably resented because she knew it was the only thing keeping Joe from killing her, which forced her to acknowledge on a daily or even hourly basis that Joe did not love her the way she loved him. No wonder she wanted another baby. She never felt safe, and lashing out at people who threatened that safety helps us understand her motives even if we can't justify them.
@@keelahrose Yeah, look, bottom line, the video literally says Joe has a "moral compass to his murders whereas Love is emotional." She may be more impulsive, but let's get one thing straight. There is NO moral compass to his f-cking murders, and they are 100% based entirely on nothing but emotion. The commentator is not only a numbskull for missing this entirely obvious social commentary within the series (they hit you over the head with it) but also a sexist to have fallen so easily into that trap. .....The main character is literally a murderer who kills anyone who gets to be an inconvenience for him, and yet the commentator seems to think he's still a good person. It's obscene. The whole POINT is to illustrate that Joe and Love are exactly the same, morally speaking, but people will make excuses for Joe and demonize Love.
They definitely fell for it and it sickens me that ppl (mostly men) are really giving honor to Joe as if he's a god of some sort. He's literally Love in male form but Love actually had compassion and wanted something real. With Love flaws, I still loved her and she's by far better than him. Everything she did was for him. I just want Joe gone.
So accurate the entire series comes from joes narrative and what he wants and how he feels it manipulates the viewers just because his mom left him doesn’t mean he gets to steal women’s tampons and grind ppl up he is just as emotional as love
@@bratsss Isn't it funny how literally the entire series is a metaphor for toxic masculinity (in hyperbole form) and people aren't getting it/are identifying with the evil doer? It's amazing.
I think the only reason he wouldn’t kill Marienne is because of Juliette. He’s not going to make her a orphan like he was.
Idk about that because if I recall he said he wouldn’t abandon his son like how he was abandoned but he did unfortunately :/
He literally killed his child's mother and abandoned his son himself
@@simrannaidu5828 tbf love was gonna kill him first and in this case is for the best he abandoned his son. Joe at least provided Henry with two loving parents instead of straight up leaving him alone.
In all seriousness Henry doesn't deserve SKs as his parents
but he made his own son an orphan but removing himself from the picture and also doing away with Love ????
@@kuddlecat she had completely lost it since he despised her so much ...
Okay, but my burning question is, is Joe still sending Ellie money now that he’s in Paris? If so, how? 😆
Since a few years passed maybe he doesn't anymore, she might be old enough to take care of herself ahaha
More Ellie!
@@HOKAGEV you’re right she was fifteen when delilah was killed, nine months go by for love’s pregnancy, and a year goes by after joe and love have moved to madre linda (we witness henry’s first birthday). henrys also grown some hair in the final scenes suggesting another year or two has passed. i’d be shocked if she wasn’t eighteen or older already.
I hope Love comes back as kind of a ghost that taunts Joe. He’s trying to move on and find Marienne but he keeps seeing Love’s ghost and she’s in his head all like “I know the real you. No one will ever get you or love you like I did. You’re gonna be miserable forever”. Just really have her play with his mind.
@@neptune2266It's only been 2 years. 9 months when they moved to Madre Linda plus Henry's first birthday is around 2 years. Doesn't take long for newborns to grow hair.
The final episode name "What is Love?" is an obvious reference to the famous song by Haddaway. And the lines that famously follow are very fitting: "Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me."
I kind of wish they would have gotten caught this time for what they did.. I hated the fact that Theo didn’t run out of the store and got help instead of looking for a key - trying to be a hero almost got him killed - I also got mad at the fact that Joe is portrayed as stronger than anyone when in reality he’s a scrawny 100lbs man. I have to say I yelled at the tv a few times during this season lol
Well he’s not scrawny , he has muscle on him. He’s also a psychopath I swear their strength comes from psychosis alone 😂
I wish he went to his dad immediately!!
To be fair, he never beats anyone in a fair fight, he always uses dirty tactics to best people stronger than him, or just using weapons
He's not scrawny he's clearly muscular and it's clear he isn't jus relying on physical advantages in a fight he's use intellectual tactics
It was weird seeing Cary not just beat him up instead of running away when they heard love say she killed Natalie
it blows my mind that Theo is actually older than Love irl
Y’all don’t forget Ellie! You remember Love telling her if the acting thing doesn’t work out for her she could go attend a culinary school in Paris. What if she’s in Paris 👀
Ngl. I had hope for Joe & Love. Especially when he actually resisted Natalie and all his urges this season. I truly believe he TRIED to be good even tho he tiptoed the line with keeping the keepsake box, but Love didn’t try at all to be rational. At least not when it came to Joe. Her impulsive actions and leaving Joe to clean up every mess she made is what ultimately killed off his love for Love and pushed him into his bad habits full throttle. I truly believe this cause he didn’t kill Theo even after Love’s attempt to. The barely legal man-child that had his first crush unfortunately with a sociopath. The fact that even tho she liked him alot and still attempted to kill him speaks volumes. Ik the feminist are having a hayday the rationale of Love killing and Joe killing, but ultimately Love was the issue this season. Im glad he dumped her, and got out alive (cause she was definitely gonna kill him instead of being RATIONAL and quietly divorcing him 😂)
Thank you lol. She is literally the whole reason why the couple in the basement box even happened. All cause she couldn’t shut tf up. Plus she kept giving joe shit for cheating as if she didn’t do so herself. Ultimately joe tried to leave in peaceful ways but love tried killing dude instead. Got why she deserved
Nailed it
@@akiouchiha8657 maaaaaan her blabbing with the crazy couple upstairs pissed me off so bad! Like u making us womenkind look bad! 🤣
Honestly, I didnt even think of the sexist issue. I saw her emotional burst and impulsiveness as her being a sociopath
I mean she was manipulative. Joe is the problem.
A part of me wishes that love should've taken henry and ran away from joe, instead of threatening to kill him which resulted in her death
I really didn't want her gone, she literally made the hype of watching this season for me...and now idk whether i will be able to take on S4 😢 😭
I love how in this season Love was kind of the “villian” of the story. Especially in the second half of the show. She kept killing and losing her temper putting her and joe in more turmoil. Messed with Theo while having killed his step mom. And ofc in joe’s eyes tried to make their failed marriage work over and OVER again loll. I will miss her character a lot.
Love and Joe's double cross was very Deathnote. Loved it! Also I loved that Theo didn't get killed I may have a crush on him. Lastly was ecstatic that Sherry and Cary survived and capitalized on the experience those two are so silly and funny.
What drove me nuts is that love was fine with herself cheating but joe couldn’t cheat. Joe didn’t even care that love was sleeping with someone else, he just wanted out.
People don’t even care the Love was emotionally manipulative the whole season . Just blame joe when she put him in a emotional corner many times.
Have anyone noticed that Joe never says "i love/wolf you too" to Love 🤔 (in season 3)
That's a common trait of a sociopathic narc--if they say they love you and you say it back, they look upon you with disgust. If they say it and you don't right back, they are intrigued.
probably because he found out her true side and that they’re both alike. s2 joe seemed interested in love because he thought she was innocent woman only to find out that they’re the same. love is the only one would stayed with joe after realizing his true side. they’re both sickos and i hope love is alive so they catch joe n love and get them in jail.
Joe does not know what love is and he definitely cannot feel it. He only mirrors what he sees others do concerning love and projects that onto the person. His true idea of love or the "feeling" of it is unstable, unrealistic and dangerous.
I could be wrong but I was told that if you lose your pinky toe, it drastically affects your balance and makes it hard to walk/ stand but maybe that isn’t true?? Since he seems to be walking fine
I really liked Love’s character and it’s pretty in line with the psyche of women who kill. It wouldn’t feel genuine to write another woman into the show who is like that, so I was really disappointed that she died. I fucking loved the Dexter-esque dynamic but with the bonus of both being killers.
"Joe kills with a reason, he's an excelent anti hero " except when he killed the guy Candice was cheating on him with, that guy had no fault, yet joe threw him off the building, good guy Joe.