Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
I was just going to comment: 400g per tyre would be significant even on a road car, 100g makes more sense but in f1 therms still quite significant imo.
How much for the front and how much for the back? Just because you mouth off with some wack opinions every now and again doesn't mean you shouldn't be factual about it! Silly
@@johnnychimpo7539 That's kinda the point though, it will be impressive given the lopsided deficit on the development performance and driver front because points won't come too fast when they're 5th fastest rn.
Car is same spec to Canada. In Canada, it was a tyre whisperer with tons of rear grip. Now, it shreds through tyres, and lacks the grip that it has before. Apart from falling behind in car development, it is probable that the new tyres might also be a factor.
Aston was also good in qualifying in canada, they're not anymore. Mercedes brought a big upgrade in silverstone and mclaren brought a b-spec car in austria/silverstone. They have just been outdeveloped
@@justinwalpole8956 That is exactly what I said in the last sentence. I also suggested that the tyres are a factor. This is the matter of comparing the performance of Canada AMR23 to Silverstone/Hungary AMR23, not comparing it to McLaren's or Mercedes' package.
Pirelli is a joke. I mean since they are the exclusive tire manufacturer of F1 they are in constant criticism. That's bad publicity. Too bad to be still a worthy publicity if you askme. Every true F1 head will never ever consider to put Pirellis on his/her road car.
Making new tyres costs money. Plus the tyres are made to the specification of the FIA. They can't just make a tyre for 15% more downforce and then the downforce is not there or is lower then predicted which makes them last longer then what the FIA wants. So they stick with the current tyres and adapt. This avoids wasting money on tyres made on a prediction. People have to stop blaming Pirelli on everything, the FIA is the main culprit for wanting a very specific tyre. That's also the reason Bridgestone and Michelin are not in F1. Also the reason we don't have several suppliers, because we would have a tyre war and the tyres would basically last a whole race, like in the past. Which the FIA doesn't want.
I think its less about aerodynamic changes and more about durability of tires. Teams like Mclaren's biggest issues was tire wear, that didn't allow them to push without being concerned about tire life, whereas the strength of teams like Aston Martin at the start of the season was low tire wear, comparable to RedBull. So if the new Pirellis are more durable then that could have helped others with increased tire life.
Yeah I was wondering about this too. McLaren was so certain they would be on the back foot for Hungary. But instead they were exceptionally strong. While there is likely the possibility that Aston took their car away from their strengths, there is no denying that the tire factor must be a key for McLaren to still be at the front when they didn't plan to be.
Mclaren still has its tire wear issues from before. Its just the upgrades made their pace ceiling higher. Notice norris last stint in hungary vs hamitons and the horrendous tire wear is so clear.
So suddenly a car that had good tire wear is now poor? I don't think the change in construction is a detriment to the teams who had tire wear figured out.
If there were significant issues with the tyres like in 2013 where they were blowing out I could understand but changing the tyres mid season after 1 practice session to test them to me is ludicrous
I think Pirelli is trying to stay on top of things. They know teams are going to bring more upgrades quickly and downforce levels are going to spike. They want to avoid any all out tire failures like what happened in years prior as much as possible.
Alonso criticism about the tyres is fair. Changing tyre compounds midway through the season is crazy. Still think Aston's lack of race pace comes from the change of floor. They have made changes that have taken the team backwards or they haven't yet optimized it yet. Hopefully they go better after the summer break.
It comes from Alonsos lack of pace. the elephant in the room: he hasn't had a pole in ten years. he hasn't won a race in TEN years. even whilst driving race winning Ferraris, McLaren's and alpines.
This is a valid point. New tires might be better for some or not so good for others. . I don’t like the way you tries to make Alonso sound. I don’t know if they have gone back or just have been overtaken by the other teams. I have no doubt that Aston has been overtaken and can they get back quicker. But this is a new tire and they need to be on top of their game and crack some data. A poor excuse- please don’t start to start this negative attitude towards Alonso. He drives as usual brilliant but the car aren’t as they want it to be
As others have pointed out. Aston's advantage was being easy on their tyres. Ferrari, Mercedes and others ate tyres but seem to have improved. This change to the tyres is speculative, not required for safety. It's been done to just make them last longer and I think it accounts for some of the drop off in performance for Fernando. Yes, car development is playing a part but unless there was a problem with the tyres they should have waited till the end of the season.
Mercedes was always really good on their tyres. The problem they had was firing them up so they could get a decent time on Saturday but they generally raced really well and were much easier on their tyres. AM big problem is they've been completely out developed by everyone else. If it wasn't for RB the development race this season would be fascinating. The rules around the cost cap and development restrictions have worked except for the fact they are probably locking in RB advantage for next season as well
@@benfulford3943 I get your point but It still amounts to the same thing. If you can't switch the tyres on and get the best out of them I that will have a negative impact. Like I said. I don't think it is the only reason for the drop off in AM performance but I do think changing the tyre construction mid season, especially when we have not seen tyre failures, is a bad move. It has a distinct smell of fish emenating from it. I'm all for safety but I think more pitstops would be good. Three or four a race would spice things up somewhat. Make the tyres able to do 15 to 18 laps flat out. Either that or bring back refuelling.
@@Byzmax I think the idea is they change them BEFORE there's an incident on track. How much of a blow back is there on them after they have tyre blowout leading to someone losing a race win? Do you remember how much they got criticised after last time that happened when max tyre went at Azerbaijan 2021?
I think each team should have a choice as to which tyre manufacturer they use. To me F1 is all about the cars being different, therefore I think the same should apply to tyres.
I guess F1 doesn't want the tyre war and the farce of Indianapolis to happen again. Also no tyre manufacturers wanted to invest so much just for the possibility of being inferior than their rival.
@@AhmadAliff mate there are solutions for everything, you quit at every problem show up in your life? the solution is cost cap, thats it. Easy, beautiful and cheap.
4:43 I’d say it’s not so much that the new tires necessitate big setup changes, but rather that their increased durability lessens the dividend paid to teams, like Aston, and drivers, like Alonso, that were previously stronger than average on tire management. The inverse is noticeable with Williams as well, I think, where tire management used to be a weak point for them and now they appear to have taken a step.
Force India, too... after Silverstone (arguably one of their best shots of the season at a big result) they had a run of truly awful weekends, and ended the championship behind McLaren who were nowhere at the beginning of the season
There is no reason why a mid season tyre change was needed in the first place. If there was a safety issue then its understandable. But this was done to favor certain teams. Any changes like these should take place on the following year not during a season
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Its not about someone disputing the claim or not. I was mainly talking about the need for a mid season tyer change when there is no safety issue. When there are cost cap restrictions in place this will only be additional costs when the teams designed their 2023 cars primarily with the original tyer structure they were provided with.
Because the FIA/F1 use every method at their disposal in order to influence the races and do what they think will improve "the show". In their eyes it's an entertainment product 1st and a sporting competition 2nd.
F1 teams have tyres and rims and ECU and all the other homologated parts including the 150kg weight for the engine, 4kg fire extinguisher they are at 620KG and now the rest are the Aero and suspension parts
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
I feel it's more likely that the move to the new facility has hurt AM's development during the season and they just haven't been pushing out substantial upgrades.
@markedone6667 Yes but the OP is suggesting that they haven't tried substantial upgrades when they have changed front wings, sidepods, engine cover, rear wing and the floor.
@@TheAYM91 they're pushing stuff out but when your facilities are halfway in transit between two locations there's a greater chance that something will be missed because they're not able to fully test it.
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
No, it's not a poor excuse but a fact. Stiffness is very important with these cars. So it's possible they don't work well for AMR. New tires in Silverstone 2021 also made a difference. In that case it helped Merc's performance.
In 2021 new tyres didn't help Mercedes at all. After Silverstone Mercedes just realised they could turn up their engines a bit more and go insane with it. If you want to get into "well doing x thing helped Mercedes", you could also say how the changes to the floor rules in 2021 for "safety reasons" hurt Mercedes, which we all know they were meant to do.
Not really. Mercedes brought big upgrades to Silverstone which finally helped them to understand the car and unlock the pace potential more often. Also it's not a fact. Even the race engineers from Aston Martin and Red Bull disagreed with Alonso's claim.
The main question I have is why where those tires needed in the first place. The official explanation is that Pirelli underestimated the increase of downforce. For like the 15th time or something? They have given that same reason for years now and continue to fail in predicting the progress the teams make. So it's either true and they don't learn from their mistakes, or something else is at play.
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
I am with Alonso, he clearly loved the feel of the car with the original tires and is suffering now. He could see how cars ahead of him were driving their tires and have complete confidence in reeling them in mid stint. It was fascinating to watch him work the beginning of this season. It is sad for him to loose such an obviously intimate man-machine relationship when his dear Pirelli got a stiffy and ran off with Maclaren.
I would look at the teams move into the new facility at Silverstone as the most likely reason for Aston Martin to have declined recently. A change on that scale is always going to impact efficiency until everyone is used to the new way of working. That combined with upgrades on their biggest competitors cars has likely meant a step back. The group is still tight and it wouldn't take much to impact the order.
It's a combination of factors. Whilst the order does seem to have shifted towards cars that are harder on their tyres but if that were a huge step Ferrari would have taken a step forward and the gap between Red Bull and AM would have stayed constant or even decreased, that RB19 is extremely gentle on its rubber and has been all year. You'd also see a significant step up in race trim for AM if it were just the tyres and there isn't one, or at least it isn't big. Ultimately the primary driver has to be that Red Bull, Mercedes and especially Mclaren have brought better upgrades than Aston Martin and Ferrari have. (Also, Alonso is a great race driver but his quali performance has always been his weak point which isn't helping. There's a reason he's 7th on the all-time wins list but only 14th for poles)
Alonso radioed "When is the next tyre tender" after his first timed lap in FP1 at Silverstone. Ferrari, RB & AM are affected by it. In Austria Ferrari were just 20s from P1. RB dominated that race. Aston were faster then Mercedes & Mclaren but on wrong strategy as usual finished P5. Deal with it TheRace... Tyres are behind sudden Mclaren & Mercedes resurgence
I wouldnt say that. of course tyres may a factor of the revival of Merc and Mclaren but you cant forget that Mercedes has made a ton of upgrades even changeing their hole car phylosophy. McLaren has also done a ton of upgrades and Stella made an genius Team Organisation move, by distribute the upgrades to small ingenuer teams, so tat McLaren could bring a lot of Upgrades in small time. I would say Aston Martin is just behind because their are focosing to much on next years car.
@@renatatostada3318 Bro forgot the major Sidepot upgrades in Austria.Just look at some Performance graphics from the past races and you will see that McLaren is upgardeing crazy since Miami "Lol"
@@Alvaro-ht7se Did Mcl completely changed their car ? No. It's an upgraded version on top of their launch car. So they cannot change the characteristics of their car. These 2023 cars are very temp. sensitive on tyres. AM hate colder temp. Mcl & Merc hate hotter temp. RB & Ferrari okay at any temp. But at Hungary 50c hot temp. Mcl & Merc were fast but AM was not. So it's a complete reverse. Also i noticed AM Canada upgrade focused on reducing drag. Which they did. They were as fast as RB at Silverstone, hitting 328kph vs all others 315-320kph. Hungary was a surprise because AM was fastest at Turn 1. Hitting 317kph, whereas the mighty RB only managed 312kph & others were 312-305kph. They did reduce drag but lost downforce in the process. But i still feel it's the tyres because of their ridiculous slow race pace. And that alonso radio confirms my suspicions. Watch FP1 Silverstone for the first 30 mins on f1tv and switch to Alonso & Max onboard. They both were pissed with the tyre change.
I trust Alonso when he talks about tires changing the order of power between F1 teams. That change gifted him the 2 titles he got in Renault after all. By that I don't deny the fact he is a very good driver.
If Haas has better tyre wear at Spa, then the tyres definitely have affected performance. Good news is, they can think about how to fix that during summer break.
Since my mate took Vettel's failed tyre home from spa as a souvenir from behind a barrier, While prirelli simultaneously claimed to be investigating it back in Italy. Makes me believe nothing Pirelli say
When Pirelli give out the softest compounds for the race, marbling off the race line has been significant. I wonder if this could be an issue for drivers when they need to change lines during situations like overtakes and dry to wet racing conditions where the drives need to change racing lines mid race due to puddling.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that both teams whose cars were great on deg are saying the “more robust” (your words) tires have changed things. Also why the hell are so many people still running push rods? As soon as RB went with pull rod I don’t know why anyone else thought they should question the guy who wrote the book on ground effect cars.
I swear the FIA is killing this sport. Consistently experimenting with race and qualifying formats that wasn't a problem in the past, changing tires spec in the middle of the season and the 2026 car spec doesn't look good too.
changing tyre specs was due to safety concerns with how quick the cars are developing. Pirelli was always going to do this. They just did not expect it so soon.
It’s crazy how in 2022, we got these new cars to increase the racing between teams and although it is closer, it is also more apparent that one team is going to keep winning, it’s 2014 all over again - winning by half a minute or more. It would have been better to just develop the 2020/21 cars with tweaked aero to make it easier to follow.
I think Alonso has a valid point, Mclaren have made a huge jump forward at the same time Aston has dropped backwards. Changing specifications of the tyre mid season is not fair on all teams. Tyres are obvs super important, and feel can change for car to csr, or driver to driver...
Pirelli every year says the same thing - unexpected rates of development. And yet Bridgestone never did that to memory. They just built a tyre and stuck with it to the end of the year. I spoke to a motorsport tyre engineer once and he was convinced since 2010 that Pirelli would have to constantly make changes throughout the years in ways that Bstone didnt - he said he didn’t fully understand why but Pirellis (perhaps due to their use of synthetic rubbers) have very small working windows and it would never be able to cope with F1’s rate of development. Perhaps it would be best for another manufacturer to come in
2021 they brought in new tyres that helped merc as well. Red bull had accounted for tyre deformation and tyre squirt so the stiffer tyres reduced all that
Mike Krack said they had gone in a wrong direction with their concept. It is interesting that Haas and Alfa Romeo were 'out of the gates' fast, last year. Then, they slipped back... There seems to be a correction between a good concept, a well developed launch car and the amount of upgrades you can bring.
McLaren still had very high tyre deg in Hungary. It has improved, but it still was much worse than Mercedes. They are just a lot faster with the new car they planned for nore than half a year.
Why? Upgrades are a thing, you know. That's literally all what F1 is about. And this year some teams changed their whole concept, like McLaren. They planned their changes since September last year and intentionally gave up the beginn of their season to make those. They also said it from the beginning.
@@78drea wow... this femxplaining was nice 🙄 what I find funny is that merc, beign merc, changed their concept also and they didn't make that big of a leap like mclaren from one race to another and that mclaren's improved performance was conveniently at the same time as the changing of pirelli's compounds.
@@78dreamaclaren literally went from the back of the grid to the front and it doesnt look weird? Cant remember if it happened before. Ever. Mid-season.
@@joriux they went from sixth best car to third. And that doesn't even mean they won't be fourth or something on other tracks. Beside RedBull the order changed quite a lot in every race. What is with Williams and their imrovement? Is it als tyre related? Even if it has a small impact. McLaren didn't find half a second from a tyre change, especially when they already found it before that, in Austria. It might be unusual to find such a leap. But they started on the backfoot compared to last year. They changed a lot of things in the last eight month, incl. Their technical director and the work structure. So, no, I don't see anything weird. I think Aston's last upgrade in Canada might not work so good. But they bring more this weekend, so maybe that will change things again.
Whether it's true or not it's a bit unfair given all the teams will have based their car concepts on the specification of tyres they were given last year.
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
It is preposterous to change tires in the mid-season just like that. Is not that there was safety issues or anything like that. Maybe Alonso is or is not right, but still, this opens manipulation suspicions.
Would have been great if Stroll had got more than like 25% of the team’s points so far. Mclaren made a huge jump though so maybe they can with the right upgrades.
Odd that they reference tyre deg, but we have rarely seen anything to worry about. That just makes me suspicious as to why? Perhaps the FIA hope to stir up the performaces of the front flying RBs
At the start of the season they were king of deg and Mclaren went through tyres like crazy. Since Silverstone Mclaren are doing well and Aston aren't. Seeing as though these tyres are designed to take higher loads it would make sense that they'll deg slower, therefore removing Astons advantage. Seems pretty simple to me.
Alonso will get vindicated in time. Just remember this video from these amateur partisan fake journos. There is a reason Autosport kicked them out... the fatman first of all.
There's always been cars working better on harder compounds than others. The new tires are like that, being less flexible. I've said it before and will keep saying it: Just stop changing rules and other stuff mid-season!
Tbh it could be a misunderstanding of circuit characteristics by teams and punters alike. The fact the the order so closely resembles that of silverstone suggests that the track is more punishing in the high speed and more forgiving in the low speed even if straight line speed isn't important (hence why williams was less competitive) and ferrari who's power unit seems slightly under powered did better here than at silverstone
The drop off has been very dramatic for Aston Martin as well as Alpine I think. And what is the world is going on with Alfa Romeo? It’s like they totally disappeared this year. Botas is an amazing driver, yet you never hear his name except for them they say he did not make it out of Q1.
Why are some people saying that Max not getting pole in Hungary is some sort of terrible thing? A) he's always been a good qualifier, but has never been a pole hound, though he's got more than the vast majority of racers throughout F1 history. B) he was beaten by the best qualifier in history (he's now got 104, nobody else is currently looking like they'll get there, not even Max. He's saying he might retire before he's done enough races _to_ score more. [Edit: that's more than Lewis, not more than he currently has!] And by the time Lewis retires, expect his tally to be higher). Having said that, Max said he did have a setup problem in his final lap yet still was second by only 3 _milliseconds_ ! Oh yes, Fernando, that's abysmal... 🤦🏻♀️ Someone's up to his political tricks again!
Much like when they were Tracing Point, Stroll still hasn't figured out to properly get quality upgrades. Aston is now fighting with Ferrari with 4th best only.
When I was a child, I caught a fleeting glimpse Out of the corner of my eye I turned to look, but it was gone I cannot put my finger on it now The child is grown The dream is gone And I have become Comfortably numb
We all knew this would happen. When they proved to be so fast early in the year we knew it would eventually drop off. I figured Mercedes would be past them by this point in the season. That's why Lawrence really needs to take a close look at the teams 2nd driver spot... Lance has been terrible this season. Grant it he broke his wrists and probably still doesn't feel 100% because of it. However, if you had any plans to keep 2nd place this year it had to be through early season success and maximizing points. Lance was barely scoring when Alonso was on the podium...
@richardstewart8694 fernando has 139 points, lance has 45. fernando has 6 podiums, lance has 0. lance isn't even close to HALF his teammates points. if lance had a little over just half of what alonso has scored they'd be right up close to merc. he's improved marginally as the season has gone on but it's evident he is weighing them down
Does anyone remember that one of the Alpine's tyres exploded in Hungary? Haven't seen that in a while and its the 2nd week they changed what the tyres made of?
There's no reason to not believe what Alonso is stating about the change in his car performance. A change mid year with tires could negatively impact some teams. I am surprised that this is allowed
Although Red Bull were still dominant using the hard tyre they were struggling a bit on the soft. the Mercs were better on the soft hence their pole position and I suspect Russel would have been up there had he got past Q1 on hard.
Fernando IS an amazing driver, and maybe development took a back seat while his skill could carry them, but also maybe they truly are really far ahead of everyone else other than RB, and maybe they are only concerned with winning a world championship, and while every other team is developing step by step, maybe aston is making a big brain move and they know where their car will end up, so they've stopped this years development so that they finish just low enough in the championship to be alocated the money they want for R$D/wind tunnel development for next year when they really have a chance to give P1 a run for its money. They have plenty of sponsor money and most importantly knowledgeable team members that are capable and willing to give it their all. And they are clearly developing in a way that favors Alonso. So i have total faith Aston Martin can make the come back most are doubting they can
One tire supplier only, like any monopoly, always leads to stagnation in results. There should be more tire manufacturers. Bring back Michelin, Bridgestone, and Firestone to compete with Pirelli.
Regardless of my love for Alonso, blaming tires for Aston's lack of success sounds a lot like shifting blame. Aston's upgrades were a mess to begin with, especially the floor which is where their problems started. Tires being made more robust mid season to avoid any failures just helps the sport all together, especially when the tires are the same for everyone. It's not like Pirelli helped a team and injured another in particular. And for those shitting on Pirelli, that stuff is getting old as well. Sure, let's keep the tires the same without any changes and let's see a repeat of Silverstone 2013 and Azerbeijan 2021.
I think the Race actually discussed this in a recent podcast. They were basically saying other tyre manufacturers are not interested anymore in supplying F1 as they no longer need the brand exposure. Also, since degradation needs to be "built in" to the tyres, they don't want their respective brands to be associated with tyres that don't last. Something along those lines (I'm sure I'm butchering that).
if someone nowadays says "that there is no evidence" it means that they did this intentionally, but you cannot prove that they did this. It´s an admission of guilt. They have been caught in the act. I mean come on. I´m not naive. Why did they change the tyres. The security argument is not plausible, because there was not a single dangerous issue in the season due to the tyres. It´s obvious why they did this. If it has no effect, then change it back and let´s see what will happen.
Approx. 5:06 In 2013 there was a major change to the tires that impacted both the cars aerodynamics and ride height. 🤔 What they really needed to change was the design of the _nose/front wing_ because they were so ugly looking.
wait 400g is not that much? that's already 1.6kg and this is a weight added in a unsprung constant moving/rotating object.. I mean some teams even go to an extent leaving some of the body parts not painted just to save weight
He certainly had a smashing start to the season. Knowing this is probably his last chance for anything that reassembles significant success, and his sudden decline is disappointing. He and I have the same birth date and I know how father time has effected me and I am sure he might at most have another year or two of even being remotely competitive against the much younger drivers in much better cars.
I expect Aston to improve their car somewhat this season but with McLaren suddenly fighting for upper grid finishes, and all the other top teams probably upgrading at least somewhat before pivoting to the 2024, it will be hard for Aston to hit regular podiums as they did earlier this season. As Gary Anderson pointed out in one of the podcasts, the progress of your car can only be measured against the rate of progress of other teams. Your team may gain a quarter percent of pace from a set of upgrades but if the other teams around you gain more, you are still likely to finish behind. Upgrading your car is often more about keeping up with the Jonses, so to speak, than it is about getting ahead.
And because you are Spanish and it’s Alonso you believe what he says. This is likely a deflection tactic to take away from Aston’s lack of development, and ease pressure on the team, which is honestly quite a smart thing to do.
Since it’s Alonso making these claims, the race deems it a smoke screen and it is just excuses for Alonso. If it were Hamilton who said what Alonso said, the race would narrate this video as “proof” of Hamilton being screwed by the mid season changes. Clowns
why did you ask every body but the driver about the cars they are driving and how the tire have changed the feel, so often techincal side has gotten things wrong in the real world as shown by the last seasons of f1. this was poor quality info.
@@roberthak3695 you obviously have not seen the interviews throughout the packdocks if fernado says the car feels different from the tire who cares about the engineers opinion
Any costs associated with this change obviously couldn’t have been factored in when the teams were initially allocating their funds either. I along with many other who have posted comments can’t understand a change mid-season without it being driven by a safety issue. I also can’t see how the FIA can impose a cost cap for a certain year to then make changes to a fundamental piece on the car (the part in contact with the track FFS) knowing full well that it would suit some teams and disadvantage others. If your performance is hurt by this change the temptation to throw a couple of quid at the issue must be huge. The fortunate teams could perhaps hide any overspend in their yacht, hyper-car or road car budgets. I’m sure they would never consider such a thing themselves, only I appear to have gained an increasing lack of faith in some of those who participate in this sport and their *lack of morals. *need to win.
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
But rear tyres are slightly bigger then front tyres, aren't they? That's why per set is more clear.
I was just going to comment: 400g per tyre would be significant even on a road car, 100g makes more sense but in f1 therms still quite significant imo.
We once said if a drivers not blaming something about the cars he’s not happy.
How much for the front and how much for the back? Just because you mouth off with some wack opinions every now and again doesn't mean you shouldn't be factual about it! Silly
@@Tim-944 F1 car would burn that weight in fuel in seconds
Imagine telling someone last year that we would all be disappointed over aston finishing 9th and 10th
At the end of last year they were Fighting P7-8. This is serious disappointment
AM sent from the fastest Mercedes powered team to the second slowest
Whingelonso got humbled now that he’s been found out he’s a proper car merchant 😂😂😂😂
Couldn’t even get past stroll without team orders 😂😂😂😂
Retirement home is calling him
@@AZBCDEE and how many races have stroll been on the podium you fanboi
Monaco was probably Alonso's best shot at a win. With Mercedes and McLaren back on the pace, Aston will be lucky to grab a few podiums here and there.
Yeah. If they hold on to P3 in the championship, that will also be impressive.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanksimpressive to hold onto a place? No it won’t, and they won’t. They’ll probably be 5th
@@johnnychimpo7539 That's kinda the point though, it will be impressive given the lopsided deficit on the development performance and driver front because points won't come too fast when they're 5th fastest rn.
@@johnnychimpo7539 5th how? At best Mclaren will beat them, but Ferrari aren't getting closer
@@johnnychimpo7539yeah that’s literally the point hahahaha
Car is same spec to Canada. In Canada, it was a tyre whisperer with tons of rear grip. Now, it shreds through tyres, and lacks the grip that it has before. Apart from falling behind in car development, it is probable that the new tyres might also be a factor.
Aston was also good in qualifying in canada, they're not anymore. Mercedes brought a big upgrade in silverstone and mclaren brought a b-spec car in austria/silverstone. They have just been outdeveloped
@@justinwalpole8956 That is exactly what I said in the last sentence. I also suggested that the tyres are a factor. This is the matter of comparing the performance of Canada AMR23 to Silverstone/Hungary AMR23, not comparing it to McLaren's or Mercedes' package.
2:25 pirelli didn’t foresee a 15% increase in downforce??? Did they think F1 engineers were just gonna sit on their hands for four years??
Pirelli is a joke. I mean since they are the exclusive tire manufacturer of F1 they are in constant criticism. That's bad publicity. Too bad to be still a worthy publicity if you askme. Every true F1 head will never ever consider to put Pirellis on his/her road car.
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Making new tyres costs money. Plus the tyres are made to the specification of the FIA. They can't just make a tyre for 15% more downforce and then the downforce is not there or is lower then predicted which makes them last longer then what the FIA wants. So they stick with the current tyres and adapt. This avoids wasting money on tyres made on a prediction.
People have to stop blaming Pirelli on everything, the FIA is the main culprit for wanting a very specific tyre. That's also the reason Bridgestone and Michelin are not in F1. Also the reason we don't have several suppliers, because we would have a tyre war and the tyres would basically last a whole race, like in the past. Which the FIA doesn't want.
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@Squilliam-Fancyson yet plenty of car makers do.
I think its less about aerodynamic changes and more about durability of tires. Teams like Mclaren's biggest issues was tire wear, that didn't allow them to push without being concerned about tire life, whereas the strength of teams like Aston Martin at the start of the season was low tire wear, comparable to RedBull. So if the new Pirellis are more durable then that could have helped others with increased tire life.
also notice how Piastri liked Hard tyres during the last race... total coincidence...
Yeah I was wondering about this too. McLaren was so certain they would be on the back foot for Hungary. But instead they were exceptionally strong. While there is likely the possibility that Aston took their car away from their strengths, there is no denying that the tire factor must be a key for McLaren to still be at the front when they didn't plan to be.
Mclaren still has its tire wear issues from before. Its just the upgrades made their pace ceiling higher. Notice norris last stint in hungary vs hamitons and the horrendous tire wear is so clear.
So suddenly a car that had good tire wear is now poor? I don't think the change in construction is a detriment to the teams who had tire wear figured out.
Aston should prioritise soft & medium tyres imho now, their strategy should step up
If there were significant issues with the tyres like in 2013 where they were blowing out I could understand but changing the tyres mid season after 1 practice session to test them to me is ludicrous
I think Pirelli is trying to stay on top of things. They know teams are going to bring more upgrades quickly and downforce levels are going to spike. They want to avoid any all out tire failures like what happened in years prior as much as possible.
Alonso criticism about the tyres is fair. Changing tyre compounds midway through the season is crazy. Still think Aston's lack of race pace comes from the change of floor. They have made changes that have taken the team backwards or they haven't yet optimized it yet. Hopefully they go better after the summer break.
It comes from Alonsos lack of pace. the elephant in the room: he hasn't had a pole in ten years. he hasn't won a race in TEN years. even whilst driving race winning Ferraris, McLaren's and alpines.
@@03056932Lmao lewlew fanboy detected
@@03056932Race winning? Are you fucking insane?
@@guccipucci69420 where did you manage to pick Lewis out of a comment that only mentioned alonslow? maybe he was already in your head. gotchaaaaa.
@@guccipucci69420lol he didn’t even mention lewis or even merc 😂 i guess rent free in your trash brain
This is a valid point. New tires might be better for some or not so good for others. . I don’t like the way you tries to make Alonso sound. I don’t know if they have gone back or just have been overtaken by the other teams. I have no doubt that Aston has been overtaken and can they get back quicker. But this is a new tire and they need to be on top of their game and crack some data. A poor excuse- please don’t start to start this negative attitude towards Alonso. He drives as usual brilliant but the car aren’t as they want it to be
Just brits being brits.
AM themselves say its not the tyres. Its a poor excuse.
As others have pointed out. Aston's advantage was being easy on their tyres. Ferrari, Mercedes and others ate tyres but seem to have improved. This change to the tyres is speculative, not required for safety. It's been done to just make them last longer and I think it accounts for some of the drop off in performance for Fernando. Yes, car development is playing a part but unless there was a problem with the tyres they should have waited till the end of the season.
Mercedes was always really good on their tyres. The problem they had was firing them up so they could get a decent time on Saturday but they generally raced really well and were much easier on their tyres.
AM big problem is they've been completely out developed by everyone else. If it wasn't for RB the development race this season would be fascinating. The rules around the cost cap and development restrictions have worked except for the fact they are probably locking in RB advantage for next season as well
@@benfulford3943 I get your point but It still amounts to the same thing. If you can't switch the tyres on and get the best out of them I that will have a negative impact.
Like I said. I don't think it is the only reason for the drop off in AM performance but I do think changing the tyre construction mid season, especially when we have not seen tyre failures, is a bad move. It has a distinct smell of fish emenating from it.
I'm all for safety but I think more pitstops would be good. Three or four a race would spice things up somewhat. Make the tyres able to do 15 to 18 laps flat out. Either that or bring back refuelling.
@@Byzmax I think the idea is they change them BEFORE there's an incident on track. How much of a blow back is there on them after they have tyre blowout leading to someone losing a race win? Do you remember how much they got criticised after last time that happened when max tyre went at Azerbaijan 2021?
@@benfulford3943 when you consider the RB blatantly cheated, if the FIA actually sanctioned them - this season would have been epic.
Stronger tires helps teams who are hard on tires.
I think each team should have a choice as to which tyre manufacturer they use. To me F1 is all about the cars being different, therefore I think the same should apply to tyres.
I guess F1 doesn't want the tyre war and the farce of Indianapolis to happen again. Also no tyre manufacturers wanted to invest so much just for the possibility of being inferior than their rival.
this was a thing once but Ferrari lost bigly because Bridgestone was beaten by Michelin.
@@AhmadAliff US gp had nothing to do with multiple tire manufacturers but everything to do with keeping data from that circuit only for Bridgestone.
@@AhmadAliff mate there are solutions for everything, you quit at every problem show up in your life? the solution is cost cap, thats it. Easy, beautiful and cheap.
we'd get the tire war again - unless we implemented a cost cap. Guess how well the FIA would handle that....
4:43 I’d say it’s not so much that the new tires necessitate big setup changes, but rather that their increased durability lessens the dividend paid to teams, like Aston, and drivers, like Alonso, that were previously stronger than average on tire management.
The inverse is noticeable with Williams as well, I think, where tire management used to be a weak point for them and now they appear to have taken a step.
2013 comes to mind when lotus and Ferrari got screwed too
Definitely. After silverstone 2013
Force India, too... after Silverstone (arguably one of their best shots of the season at a big result) they had a run of truly awful weekends, and ended the championship behind McLaren who were nowhere at the beginning of the season
Lotus was still rapid after the tyre changes and constantly the 2nd fastest team.
There is no reason why a mid season tyre change was needed in the first place. If there was a safety issue then its understandable. But this was done to favor certain teams. Any changes like these should take place on the following year not during a season
AM have already disputed Alonso’s claims about the tyres
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Its not about someone disputing the claim or not. I was mainly talking about the need for a mid season tyer change when there is no safety issue. When there are cost cap restrictions in place this will only be additional costs when the teams designed their 2023 cars primarily with the original tyer structure they were provided with.
Which teams would that be? Let me guess Mercedes and ?
@@1BadPrix Ferrari for sure. They were really struggling with the tyers early in the season.
@@1BadPrix McLaren and Ferrari obviously
How can any "sport" do something like change tire spec in the middle of an active seasaon of competition when you have a single tire supplier?
F1 isn't about racing It's about compliance and rules. In another 10 years all racing will be formula e
Agreed. It's so ridiculous to have a major change via the tyres.
Why pustules sport in quotes? It is as much or more of a sport than anything else
Because the FIA/F1 use every method at their disposal in order to influence the races and do what they think will improve "the show". In their eyes it's an entertainment product 1st and a sporting competition 2nd.
@@e2rqey exactly. Liberty Media is owned by Black Rock. The financial arm of the New World Order
Pirelli should also have a freeze on changes during the year.
RBR had a huge update in Hungary. So, it is still believable that they were hurt by the tire change, but that update gained back all the lost time.
400 gm increase in each tyre means 1.6 kg in total.I thought that is a phenominal increase in terms of f1.
F1 teams have tyres and rims and ECU and all the other homologated parts including the 150kg weight for the engine, 4kg fire extinguisher they are at 620KG and now the rest are the Aero and suspension parts
Agree. The teams haven’t been painting the cars just to save a few hundred grams.
But teams have now reached minimum weight so they can take off some ballast
@@adamn7125 ballast is not an unsprung rotating weight, its not that easy
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
Alonso: GP2 Tires 😜
I feel it's more likely that the move to the new facility has hurt AM's development during the season and they just haven't been pushing out substantial upgrades.
They literally upgraded everything on the car from side pods to the underfloor.
@@TheAYM91 There is a stark diffrence between changing and improving ;)
@markedone6667 Yes but the OP is suggesting that they haven't tried substantial upgrades when they have changed front wings, sidepods, engine cover, rear wing and the floor.
@@TheAYM91 they're pushing stuff out but when your facilities are halfway in transit between two locations there's a greater chance that something will be missed because they're not able to fully test it.
they got lucky with the first build and have been outdeveloped by bigger teams
400 grams on each corner is not small
Exactly. It's massive
A driver taking a shit will change his weight by 1-2 kgs
@@highondankium3626, yeah but driver seat is on center. The wheels are all around. It is big shift for weight balance.
@@miroslavdockal9468and that weight is unsprung, rotating mass on the edge of the wheels.
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
Tyres were changed just to wipe tears of some teams.
No, it's not a poor excuse but a fact.
Stiffness is very important with these cars.
So it's possible they don't work well for AMR.
New tires in Silverstone 2021 also made a difference. In that case it helped Merc's performance.
In 2021 new tyres didn't help Mercedes at all. After Silverstone Mercedes just realised they could turn up their engines a bit more and go insane with it.
If you want to get into "well doing x thing helped Mercedes", you could also say how the changes to the floor rules in 2021 for "safety reasons" hurt Mercedes, which we all know they were meant to do.
Not really. Mercedes brought big upgrades to Silverstone which finally helped them to understand the car and unlock the pace potential more often.
Also it's not a fact. Even the race engineers from Aston Martin and Red Bull disagreed with Alonso's claim.
Considering his skills as a driver, I'm with him. He could run over a flee and know what sex it was.
The main question I have is why where those tires needed in the first place. The official explanation is that Pirelli underestimated the increase of downforce. For like the 15th time or something? They have given that same reason for years now and continue to fail in predicting the progress the teams make. So it's either true and they don't learn from their mistakes, or something else is at play.
400g per tyre? that's humongous
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
@@WeAreTheRace aah gotchu
I am with Alonso, he clearly loved the feel of the car with the original tires and is suffering now. He could see how cars ahead of him were driving their tires and have complete confidence in reeling them in mid stint. It was fascinating to watch him work the beginning of this season. It is sad for him to loose such an obviously intimate man-machine relationship when his dear Pirelli got a stiffy and ran off with Maclaren.
I would look at the teams move into the new facility at Silverstone as the most likely reason for Aston Martin to have declined recently. A change on that scale is always going to impact efficiency until everyone is used to the new way of working. That combined with upgrades on their biggest competitors cars has likely meant a step back. The group is still tight and it wouldn't take much to impact the order.
eating a cheeseburger right now
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Is it made out of burgers?
Is it good
"Is it soft, is it juicy?"
Hope it’s a good cheeseburger
Looking at that graph at the start, stroll is still as random as ever, it’s just alonso’s results that have dipped
It's a combination of factors. Whilst the order does seem to have shifted towards cars that are harder on their tyres but if that were a huge step Ferrari would have taken a step forward and the gap between Red Bull and AM would have stayed constant or even decreased, that RB19 is extremely gentle on its rubber and has been all year. You'd also see a significant step up in race trim for AM if it were just the tyres and there isn't one, or at least it isn't big. Ultimately the primary driver has to be that Red Bull, Mercedes and especially Mclaren have brought better upgrades than Aston Martin and Ferrari have. (Also, Alonso is a great race driver but his quali performance has always been his weak point which isn't helping. There's a reason he's 7th on the all-time wins list but only 14th for poles)
Wish Alonso had got pole and won at Monaco, feels like we’re a long way away from a win now
Why so cynical abt Fernando? It's tiring
I mean tires are such a big differentiator in f1 a change in compound could nerf aston and jump mclaren. Look at 2012 red bull
Alonso radioed "When is the next tyre tender" after his first timed lap in FP1 at Silverstone.
Ferrari, RB & AM are affected by it.
In Austria Ferrari were just 20s from P1. RB dominated that race. Aston were faster then Mercedes & Mclaren but on wrong strategy as usual finished P5.
Deal with it TheRace... Tyres are behind sudden Mclaren & Mercedes resurgence
I wouldnt say that. of course tyres may a factor of the revival of Merc and Mclaren but you cant forget that Mercedes has made a ton of upgrades even changeing their hole car phylosophy. McLaren has also done a ton of upgrades and Stella made an genius Team Organisation move, by distribute the upgrades to small ingenuer teams, so tat McLaren could bring a lot of Upgrades in small time. I would say Aston Martin is just behind because their are focosing to much on next years car.
Yeah mate, McClaren didn't introduce major upgrades or anything... Lol
@@renatatostada3318 Bro forgot the major Sidepot upgrades in Austria.Just look at some Performance graphics from the past races and you will see that McLaren is upgardeing crazy since Miami "Lol"
@@Alvaro-ht7sesomeone doesn't understand sarcasm...
@@Alvaro-ht7se Did Mcl completely changed their car ? No. It's an upgraded version on top of their launch car. So they cannot change the characteristics of their car.
These 2023 cars are very temp. sensitive on tyres.
AM hate colder temp.
Mcl & Merc hate hotter temp.
RB & Ferrari okay at any temp.
But at Hungary 50c hot temp. Mcl & Merc were fast but AM was not.
So it's a complete reverse.
Also i noticed AM Canada upgrade focused on reducing drag. Which they did. They were as fast as RB at Silverstone, hitting 328kph vs all others 315-320kph.
Hungary was a surprise because AM was fastest at Turn 1. Hitting 317kph, whereas the mighty RB only managed 312kph & others were 312-305kph.
They did reduce drag but lost downforce in the process.
But i still feel it's the tyres because of their ridiculous slow race pace. And that alonso radio confirms my suspicions. Watch FP1 Silverstone for the first 30 mins on f1tv and switch to Alonso & Max onboard. They both were pissed with the tyre change.
I trust Alonso when he talks about tires changing the order of power between F1 teams. That change gifted him the 2 titles he got in Renault after all. By that I don't deny the fact he is a very good driver.
If Haas has better tyre wear at Spa, then the tyres definitely have affected performance. Good news is, they can think about how to fix that during summer break.
Since my mate took Vettel's failed tyre home from spa as a souvenir from behind a barrier, While prirelli simultaneously claimed to be investigating it back in Italy. Makes me believe nothing Pirelli say
That takes the cake!
When Pirelli give out the softest compounds for the race, marbling off the race line has been significant. I wonder if this could be an issue for drivers when they need to change lines during situations like overtakes and dry to wet racing conditions where the drives need to change racing lines mid race due to puddling.
“Red Bull have been hit by these tires” idk abt that one
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that both teams whose cars were great on deg are saying the “more robust” (your words) tires have changed things.
Also why the hell are so many people still running push rods? As soon as RB went with pull rod I don’t know why anyone else thought they should question the guy who wrote the book on ground effect cars.
I swear the FIA is killing this sport. Consistently experimenting with race and qualifying formats that wasn't a problem in the past, changing tires spec in the middle of the season and the 2026 car spec doesn't look good too.
changing tyre specs was due to safety concerns with how quick the cars are developing. Pirelli was always going to do this. They just did not expect it so soon.
@@icebear3828 if no one else is complaining... Then maybe it's a skill issue 👀🤣
@@icebear3828 so out of the 10 teams aka 20 cars only 1 of them has a major issue.. didn't hear stroll complain...
@@phodge9985 stroll isn't good enough to know the difference
It’s crazy how in 2022, we got these new cars to increase the racing between teams and although it is closer, it is also more apparent that one team is going to keep winning, it’s 2014 all over again - winning by half a minute or more. It would have been better to just develop the 2020/21 cars with tweaked aero to make it easier to follow.
I think Alonso has a valid point, Mclaren have made a huge jump forward at the same time Aston has dropped backwards. Changing specifications of the tyre mid season is not fair on all teams. Tyres are obvs super important, and feel can change for car to csr, or driver to driver...
Pirelli every year says the same thing - unexpected rates of development. And yet Bridgestone never did that to memory. They just built a tyre and stuck with it to the end of the year. I spoke to a motorsport tyre engineer once and he was convinced since 2010 that Pirelli would have to constantly make changes throughout the years in ways that Bstone didnt - he said he didn’t fully understand why but Pirellis (perhaps due to their use of synthetic rubbers) have very small working windows and it would never be able to cope with F1’s rate of development.
Perhaps it would be best for another manufacturer to come in
2021 they brought in new tyres that helped merc as well. Red bull had accounted for tyre deformation and tyre squirt so the stiffer tyres reduced all that
Mike Krack said they had gone in a wrong direction with their concept. It is interesting that Haas and Alfa Romeo were 'out of the gates' fast, last year. Then, they slipped back... There seems to be a correction between a good concept, a well developed launch car and the amount of upgrades you can bring.
Alonso is 100% right. The new tires get eaten up by the Aston. They're great for McLaren and Merc, though.
McLaren still had very high tyre deg in Hungary. It has improved, but it still was much worse than Mercedes. They are just a lot faster with the new car they planned for nore than half a year.
I remember force India scoring lot of points in earlier 2013 season , then after tyre changes they slumped back
Though, it is suspicious that some teams have improved out of nowhere ever since Silverstone.
Why? Upgrades are a thing, you know. That's literally all what F1 is about.
And this year some teams changed their whole concept, like McLaren. They planned their changes since September last year and intentionally gave up the beginn of their season to make those. They also said it from the beginning.
@@78drea wow... this femxplaining was nice 🙄 what I find funny is that merc, beign merc, changed their concept also and they didn't make that big of a leap like mclaren from one race to another and that mclaren's improved performance was conveniently at the same time as the changing of pirelli's compounds.
@@78dreamaclaren literally went from the back of the grid to the front and it doesnt look weird? Cant remember if it happened before. Ever. Mid-season.
@@23juan42 So, why were they already much improved in Austria, where it were still the old tyres?
@@joriux they went from sixth best car to third. And that doesn't even mean they won't be fourth or something on other tracks.
Beside RedBull the order changed quite a lot in every race.
What is with Williams and their imrovement? Is it als tyre related?
Even if it has a small impact.
McLaren didn't find half a second from a tyre change, especially when they already found it before that, in Austria.
It might be unusual to find such a leap. But they started on the backfoot compared to last year.
They changed a lot of things in the last eight month, incl. Their technical director and the work structure.
So, no, I don't see anything weird.
I think Aston's last upgrade in Canada might not work so good.
But they bring more this weekend, so maybe that will change things again.
Whether it's true or not it's a bit unfair given all the teams will have based their car concepts on the specification of tyres they were given last year.
Who was behind these new rules....Toto?
If 1.6 kg isn't significantly influencing the cars, why do the liveries have to be so limited? I like the exposed carbon look, but just curious.
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
@@WeAreTheRace I appreciate the response, I was wondering how they added 400 to each one 😂. Per set makes sense, thanks!
Alonso is literally the most experienced driver on the grid.
I'd take his word for it.
It is preposterous to change tires in the mid-season just like that. Is not that there was safety issues or anything like that. Maybe Alonso is or is not right, but still, this opens manipulation suspicions.
Would have been great if Stroll had got more than like 25% of the team’s points so far.
Mclaren made a huge jump though so maybe they can with the right upgrades.
When a tenth of a second can mean 4 places on the starting grid (as it did in Hungary) then a small change can be significant.
Odd that they reference tyre deg, but we have rarely seen anything to worry about. That just makes me suspicious as to why? Perhaps the FIA hope to stir up the performaces of the front flying RBs
At the start of the season they were king of deg and Mclaren went through tyres like crazy. Since Silverstone Mclaren are doing well and Aston aren't. Seeing as though these tyres are designed to take higher loads it would make sense that they'll deg slower, therefore removing Astons advantage. Seems pretty simple to me.
Alonso will get vindicated in time. Just remember this video from these amateur partisan fake journos. There is a reason Autosport kicked them out... the fatman first of all.
Aston are also slow in qualifying, trye deg is not an issue in qualifying.
There's always been cars working better on harder compounds than others.
The new tires are like that, being less flexible.
I've said it before and will keep saying it: Just stop changing rules and other stuff mid-season!
Honestly it’s clear as day that the change in rubber impacted the way these cars handle. It isn’t an excuse when data backs it up.
Tbh it could be a misunderstanding of circuit characteristics by teams and punters alike. The fact the the order so closely resembles that of silverstone suggests that the track is more punishing in the high speed and more forgiving in the low speed even if straight line speed isn't important (hence why williams was less competitive) and ferrari who's power unit seems slightly under powered did better here than at silverstone
The drop off has been very dramatic for Aston Martin as well as Alpine I think. And what is the world is going on with Alfa Romeo? It’s like they totally disappeared this year. Botas is an amazing driver, yet you never hear his name except for them they say he did not make it out of Q1.
Why are some people saying that Max not getting pole in Hungary is some sort of terrible thing? A) he's always been a good qualifier, but has never been a pole hound, though he's got more than the vast majority of racers throughout F1 history.
B) he was beaten by the best qualifier in history (he's now got 104, nobody else is currently looking like they'll get there, not even Max. He's saying he might retire before he's done enough races _to_ score more. [Edit: that's more than Lewis, not more than he currently has!] And by the time Lewis retires, expect his tally to be higher).
Having said that, Max said he did have a setup problem in his final lap yet still was second by only 3 _milliseconds_ ! Oh yes, Fernando, that's abysmal... 🤦🏻♀️
Someone's up to his political tricks again!
Much like when they were Tracing Point, Stroll still hasn't figured out to properly get quality upgrades. Aston is now fighting with Ferrari with 4th best only.
When I was a child, I caught a fleeting glimpse
Out of the corner of my eye
I turned to look, but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown
The dream is gone
And I have become
Comfortably numb
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What's the point of this?
We all knew this would happen. When they proved to be so fast early in the year we knew it would eventually drop off. I figured Mercedes would be past them by this point in the season. That's why Lawrence really needs to take a close look at the teams 2nd driver spot... Lance has been terrible this season. Grant it he broke his wrists and probably still doesn't feel 100% because of it. However, if you had any plans to keep 2nd place this year it had to be through early season success and maximizing points. Lance was barely scoring when Alonso was on the podium...
Just quit moaning about Lance and watch the race. Give him credit that he has done a lot better this year. Or go watch NASCAR.
@richardstewart8694 fernando has 139 points, lance has 45. fernando has 6 podiums, lance has 0. lance isn't even close to HALF his teammates points. if lance had a little over just half of what alonso has scored they'd be right up close to merc. he's improved marginally as the season has gone on but it's evident he is weighing them down
@@richardstewart8694credit for what?😂 for being nowhere near his teammate?
Does anyone remember that one of the Alpine's tyres exploded in Hungary? Haven't seen that in a while and its the 2nd week they changed what the tyres made of?
There's no reason to not believe what Alonso is stating about the change in his car performance. A change mid year with tires could negatively impact some teams. I am surprised that this is allowed
Although Red Bull were still dominant using the hard tyre they were struggling a bit on the soft. the Mercs were better on the soft hence their pole position and I suspect Russel would have been up there had he got past Q1 on hard.
Your graphic at 3:47 has Perez in 3rd place at the start of the Hungarian grand prix for some reason. :D
I just realised their team principal is called Mike Krack💀💀😂😂😂😂😂
Alonso: Has anyone seen Mike Crack?
Engineer: We are checking
Fernando IS an amazing driver, and maybe development took a back seat while his skill could carry them, but also maybe they truly are really far ahead of everyone else other than RB, and maybe they are only concerned with winning a world championship, and while every other team is developing step by step, maybe aston is making a big brain move and they know where their car will end up, so they've stopped this years development so that they finish just low enough in the championship to be alocated the money they want for R$D/wind tunnel development for next year when they really have a chance to give P1 a run for its money. They have plenty of sponsor money and most importantly knowledgeable team members that are capable and willing to give it their all. And they are clearly developing in a way that favors Alonso. So i have total faith Aston Martin can make the come back most are doubting they can
There is also the Aston Martin company majority owner's son to consider.
A lot of tyre experts in the comments. As usual with this sport
One tire supplier only, like any monopoly, always leads to stagnation in results. There should be more tire manufacturers. Bring back Michelin, Bridgestone, and Firestone to compete with Pirelli.
Truth or not, it's ridiculous to change the tyre compound midway through the season.
Regardless of my love for Alonso, blaming tires for Aston's lack of success sounds a lot like shifting blame.
Aston's upgrades were a mess to begin with, especially the floor which is where their problems started. Tires being made more robust mid season to avoid any failures just helps the sport all together, especially when the tires are the same for everyone. It's not like Pirelli helped a team and injured another in particular.
And for those shitting on Pirelli, that stuff is getting old as well. Sure, let's keep the tires the same without any changes and let's see a repeat of Silverstone 2013 and Azerbeijan 2021.
You mean the guy who got out qualified by Ocon 10 times last season is stalling out and making excuses?
I’d love to see Max could do in that car
We need Bridgestone, Michelin more competent tyre building companies as a competitive choice for F1 cars
I think the Race actually discussed this in a recent podcast. They were basically saying other tyre manufacturers are not interested anymore in supplying F1 as they no longer need the brand exposure. Also, since degradation needs to be "built in" to the tyres, they don't want their respective brands to be associated with tyres that don't last. Something along those lines (I'm sure I'm butchering that).
3:59 I bet Alan Permane wishes he said that it was all the tyres fault now haha 😂
if someone nowadays says "that there is no evidence" it means that they did this intentionally, but you cannot prove that they did this. It´s an admission of guilt. They have been caught in the act. I mean come on. I´m not naive. Why did they change the tyres. The security argument is not plausible, because there was not a single dangerous issue in the season due to the tyres. It´s obvious why they did this.
If it has no effect, then change it back and let´s see what will happen.
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In 2013 there was a major change to the tires that impacted both the cars aerodynamics and ride height.
🤔 What they really needed to change was the design of the _nose/front wing_ because they were so ugly looking.
wait 400g is not that much? that's already 1.6kg and this is a weight added in a unsprung constant moving/rotating object.. I mean some teams even go to an extent leaving some of the body parts not painted just to save weight
Why is this not being spoken about more?
He certainly had a smashing start to the season. Knowing this is probably his last chance for anything that reassembles significant success, and his sudden decline is disappointing. He and I have the same birth date and I know how father time has effected me and I am sure he might at most have another year or two of even being remotely competitive against the much younger drivers in much better cars.
I expect Aston to improve their car somewhat this season but with McLaren suddenly fighting for upper grid finishes, and all the other top teams probably upgrading at least somewhat before pivoting to the 2024, it will be hard for Aston to hit regular podiums as they did earlier this season. As Gary Anderson pointed out in one of the podcasts, the progress of your car can only be measured against the rate of progress of other teams. Your team may gain a quarter percent of pace from a set of upgrades but if the other teams around you gain more, you are still likely to finish behind. Upgrading your car is often more about keeping up with the Jonses, so to speak, than it is about getting ahead.
Stroll will be the most consitent driver for Aston Martin if they go like this
Aston was always going to fall back from the start of the year. I'm actually surprised they did as well as they did tbh.
sorry- are you actually saying per the graphic at 7:00 that the Mercedes was the fastest car this weekend?
its an average between both cars... but they are wrong, not first but maybe second best car.
If a british driver said it i bet the thumbnail would be “absolutely spot on claim innit”
Lolll "innit"
What is with the constant “British bias” comments I don’t get it
And because you are Spanish and it’s Alonso you believe what he says. This is likely a deflection tactic to take away from Aston’s lack of development, and ease pressure on the team, which is honestly quite a smart thing to do.
@@j.b.o6829 They're not allowed to critic or review any comments without having British bias waved over their heads because they're British.
It's usually the opposite for the comments
If only Stroll kept up with Alonso now they'd have a healthy advantage in the constructors championship to have some time to catch up. But alas...
Since it’s Alonso making these claims, the race deems it a smoke screen and it is just excuses for Alonso. If it were Hamilton who said what Alonso said, the race would narrate this video as “proof” of Hamilton being screwed by the mid season changes. Clowns
Why would AM publicly contradict Alonso’s claims though? Surely they wouldn’t want to upset him
You're the clown. The race made a video saying why Hamiltons proposed rule changes wouldn't work.
400g per tyre isn't a small weight increase!
How far can go is Aston Martin now?
British GP is a wake up call for everyone
This is further indictment that it's the car, and not the driver...
why did you ask every body but the driver about the cars they are driving and how the tire have changed the feel, so often techincal side has gotten things wrong in the real world as shown by the last seasons of f1. this was poor quality info.
engineers aske drivers if the tires are ok, not the fatman from The Race.
@@roberthak3695 you obviously have not seen the interviews throughout the packdocks if fernado says the car feels different from the tire who cares about the engineers opinion
Any costs associated with this change obviously couldn’t have been factored in when the teams were initially allocating their funds either. I along with many other who have posted comments can’t understand a change mid-season without it being driven by a safety issue.
I also can’t see how the FIA can impose a cost cap for a certain year to then make changes to a fundamental piece on the car (the part in contact with the track FFS) knowing full well that it would suit some teams and disadvantage others.
If your performance is hurt by this change the temptation to throw a couple of quid at the issue must be huge. The fortunate teams could perhaps hide any overspend in their yacht, hyper-car or road car budgets.
I’m sure they would never consider such a thing themselves, only I appear to have gained an increasing lack of faith in some of those who participate in this sport and their *lack of morals.
*need to win.
400g per tire is no small amount for F1
I remember Red Bull being poor at the start and catching up to Mercedes near the end of the season. Aston Martin is exactly the opposite.
Whenever they can, The Race and Autosport will hate on Alonso
Edd straw and mark Hughes seem like they're alonso fanboys.
They praise him in the podcast all the time wtf are you on about