When I summoned her I thought she I misread it and thought she was calling herself the husband. And that’s how she’s been in my mind ever since. Our Husband Morgan
I want to point out that Aesc's Noble Phantasm is called "Memory of Londinium" It hurt my soul a little bit when I realized Aesc literally weaponized her own trauma. I love Morgan's story in FGO, as it perfectly executed one of my favorite villain backstory concepts: The hero who gave up. Aesc the Savior was almost exactly like Artoria Caster back in the day, but after millennia of her hard work being undermined and retaliated against by the very people she was trying to protect she grew to resent them. In the end she concluded that the best way to protect the world was to take over and force it to stagnate. That way it couldn't destroy itself.
I feel the need to point out that "weaponiz(ing) your trauma" sounds like a valid step in one's journey to own/accept it, though I'm not sure if Morgan's particular methods here meet my normal definition of these terms.
13:37 Oh I know this one! In Fate, there seems to be a kind of primordial mana linked to the fae that the King of Britan is granted as the island's chosen successor, implied to be hereditary. Uther canonically was born with this mana and because Morgan seemingly wasn't, he hatched a plan with Merlin to birth a child with the blood of a dragon- Arturia. However, it turned out Morgan HAD been born with this mana but Uther still chose Arturia as his successor. There's even an implication that Arturia has the capacity to wield this mana, So this helps explain some of the decisions with Morgan- she's a full sister now because Uther is the parent who has the power. She's a fae to link with Vivian through said mana. And she's so upset because the land of Britan LITERALLY chose her over Arturia. Also I wanna address the supposed sexism of the time. Arthurian Myth is just very weird with its morality. Again- the Knights all had a habit of going berserk and killing people. Part of Mordred's evil is that he was the bastard son of King Arthur...even though both Galahad AND Arthur himself are bastard children of basically rape. And on yeah- Lancelot seems to spend half the myth getting raped with one of his rapists conceiving Galahad, bitching out Guinevere for chiding Lancelot after he got raped...again...by her! and then becoming his wife. This myth's morality is all over the place. P.S. Funny note, due to Fate fucking around with merging characters- This means Lancelot gets fucked by his mom and he accidentally cucks his aunt...while possibly having a crush on her too. He also killed like, three of his siblings too. Poor Lancelot.
Bruh i was eating when watching this and my head feels hurt hearing the whole pendragon family f*** each other and kill each other What Is this? Olympus ?
A small fact that I like about Morgan’s np is how it draws some elements from the fact that she’s also Vivian. When you tap her np card, she says something like “come to me dark lake”, and when you look closer at the background during Roadless Camelot it certainly looks like she’s under a lake’s surface
Morgan was easily one of the most fascinating aspects of LB6's story for me, and I was very sad to see her gone so quickly with such relatively limited screen time for how important she was in the story. Yes her backstory scenes with Mash flesh out her character quite a bit, but I wanted to see more of the modern queen, more of the woman who tries to be a mother to Sith, a person who has suffered unbelievable heartbreak, and see her regrets regarding the citizens she claimed to rule over. The scene of her reassuring Woodrose of her faith in him, even as she was dying... that struck hard, and makes me wonder if there was ever a potential for her to do something more to fix the fairies who had constantly gone against her wishes. I look forward to whatever appearances she'll have in the future, and will gladly use her as my universal buster farmer alongside Maou Nobu.
I honestly grew to love Morgan and wish for her to be happy. It made me so, oh so happy when Summer Morgan's NP showed her smiling and enjoying herself. It felt like seeing someone finally be unshackled from their terrible past
On the matter of design, lb6 fairies were a special case, their name heavily influences their looks, or rather their purpose. Castoria and morgan, both were fairies created by the planet itself with a set purpose, savior of britain and they received names according to that purpose. Which in turn results in them looking like artoria. That also explains why Tonelico turns into morgan lookswise, cause she discards her original purpose as the savior and takes on morgans name proper, which results in her altering her appearence. They are essentially not really morgan and artoria but fairies created by the planet that wear artoria and morgan fleshmasks. Which also explains why castoria is so EXTREMELY different to phh artoria.
I think we can agree Morgan's accuracy is all over the place in terms of inspiration and sources. She's a melting pot of ideas and made something not fully Morgan. And that's great. It created a truly interesting villain who you sympathize with.
Surprisingly LB6 was a far less messy affair of characters killing each other than actual Arthurian Legend..... I do have to admit that LB-Morgan is a fascinating character however. Her transformation from a Savior to a Tyrant might actually even mirror how Morgan has transformed in adaptions of the Arthurian Legend.
I know! When I was looking over Arthurian Legend, I was surprised at just how much the knights were killing or wounding each other. It's why I had to comment on it in the video. XD
Honestly Lostbelt Morgan feels very much what Altria of Proper history could have become had Camelot not fallen. Because at the end, Altria too was killed by rebellion.
One of my favorite characters in fate easily. She is such a complex and tragic character she really does need a break. As for her PHH version we sadly only really have second hand knowledge officially. But I've read some fics that piece her together fairly well and don't suger coat the fact that she is considered a "witch among witches" and definitely pulled some truly vile plots against her sister. But then there's also the fact that in fate she raised and trained Lancelot, Gawain, Agravain, Gaheris, Gareth, and Mordred. A fact that I think is often overlooked as it implies that she is actually a good motherly figure when she at least tries to be. I would also like to mention that it is heavily implied that Lancer Artoria isn't exactly what a fully matured Artoria would really look like. As yes her growth is stated to no longer be hindered but it's also stated that her growth has been enhanced to match that of a divine being. So a naturally matured Artoria without the influence of holy relics would probably look a lot like Morgan. Also yes, her hatred for Arthur is only surpassed by her hatred for Guinevere. And we somehow still don't have a fate version of the lonely beautiful queen of Camelot. Thanks for the vid! It was incredible!
Its also possible to read Morgan's NP as Lordless Camelot. Its full name is actually Roadless Camelot: The Now Unreachable Utopia. Its name is meant to intentionally juxtapose Mash/Galahad's NP Lord/Road Camelot: Now is a Castle of Distant Ideals
Morgan, they can never make me hate you. I think she was the only antagonist in the FGO that I rooted for. She wasn’t thoughtless in her tyranny. Sure, she was cold and outright spiteful due to the millenia of betrayal, but she didn’t outright deny the Fae pleasures when she easily could’ve. For someone who was just trying to save “only Britain,” she still had hope that maybe the fae could be, for a lack of a better term, “better.” There are clear examples of it in our main cast. She took a liking to Woodwose, a beast like fae who shouldve only cared for carnage but, on his own, decided to adopt the loyalty and etiquette that would befit a royal knight. Barghest and Melusine - calamities in their own right - serviced their love towards things outside of themselves. Mike, a barkeep fae, who went against his primal desires and let Da Vinci be Davinci. These are the Faeries she wanted in her Britain. That was the ideal she wanted to present for those who may “visit.” But alas… it could never come true. Even before her rule, the fae around her were all too… fickle. That certainly didn’t change after she resummoned them. She couldn’t have asked them to cooperate against Cerrununos as they’re too self centered and would forgo long term goals for instant pleasures, comparitively speaking. Lostbelt 6 Morgan is probably one of my top 5 favourite characters Nasu wrote and arguably one of my favourite characters in general.
People pronounce Aesc as Ash, because Æsc is an Old English for Ash Tree, and Tonelico, LB Morgan's name in JP, literally translates as "Ash Tree" from Japanese.
I think that the version of Morgan we all know comes from the movie "Excalibur" by John Boorman, a super cool and trippy fantasy movie from the 80s, I highly recommend it. It is basically the source for every modern version of the Arthurian cycle.
@@CrazyYurie That was my first introduction to arturian legend. Im from latin america so, it wast really spread on my country, at least when i was a child ( my mom used to wach movies that were for teens or adults with me, and explain if i didnt know something), in the movie not all the knights are called with names so actually Apocrypha was the first Mordred for me, its a good movie, at least it covers a good spawn of time of the legend.
What do you need a placeholder Gaheris for if he and Palamedes are in the second Camelot movie? Presumably Gaheris is the "wide" figure with a two handed weapon and Palamedes is the hooded figure with a slightly curved sword. We know the full list of the knights the Lion King summoned and what Kay's armor looks like so by process of elimination we only have those 2 left.
1:04 In the earlier versions of Arthurian lore Morgan was a good person and the ruler of the land of the fae actually ruler was the second class I thought Morgan would be than Berserker because of her craziness (stupidity) in some(most) legends
These videos are so nicely done. Haven't enjoyed *Fate* content like this since stumbling upon *Dais* work some many moons back. Best wishes that the channel continues to grow by others finding your content.
great video, you pointed out a few things that i didn't notice like the play on frozen ice. tho i am sad you dint point out some of her other aspects. like how her secound ascension spear resembles Excalibur, emphasizing her as the ruler of this land or how her spear ist transforming into other weapons but is insted summoning old weapons her comrades once used in Londinium
Something that I often wonder about, was the decision to make PHH Morgan Artoria's full sister, rather than half-sister, just a whim of the writers, or was it a deliberate attempt to mix together more of the "Arthur's sister" characters. In Geoffrey of Monmouth's "Historia Regum Britanniae" Arthur did have a full sister: "...[Uther and Igraine ("Igerna")] remained together thereafter, united by no little passion, and had a son and daughter. Their son was called Arthur, their daughter Anna." I'd wish to ignore some of Geoffrey's inconsistent statements about Arthur's family, but they actually may be relevant here for the next bit. While Geoffrey usually refers to Mordred ("Modred") and Gawain as Arthur's nephews and says that Uther gave Anna's hand to Lot ("Loth"), there is also this statement: "Loth, who in the reign of Aurelius Ambrosius had married the king’s sister and fathered Gawain and Modred, recovered the earldom of Lothian and its associated provinces." This would make Lot's wife Uther's sister, not Arthur's. Some of the later Scottish chronicles (John Fordun's "Chronica Gentis Scotorum", Hector Boece's Historia Gentis Scotorum) mention or wholly adopt this genealogy and make argument that Anna's family (she, Lot, Mordred, Gawain) have a stronger claim to the the throne than Arthur, because he was conceived out of wedlock, hence a bastard, while Anna (either as Uther's sister or Arthur's sister, but conceived after Uther married Igraine) was a legitimate heir. Another statement of Geoffrey that I need to address is this: "Hoelus was the son of Arthur’s sister and of Budicius, king of the Armorican Britons" Not sure if it is meant to be Anna again, or just Arthur's another previously unmentioned sister. This only matters as extra context for the line in Alain Bouchart's "Grande Croniques de Bretagne", roughly translated: "...[Uther] married [Igerna], and from this union, they had three children: the first was a daughter named Anne or Emine, who married Budic, king of our Armorican Brittany; the second child was the valiant Arthur, and the third was a daughter who was married to Loth of London, from whom the traitor Mordred was born." Here, Anna is older than Arthur. Okay, this came out a bit disjointed and bloated, but my point is this: Fate's PHH Morgan has the "Arthur's full sister", "Arthur's older sister", and "Arthur's sister with a stronger claim to the throne" elements to her, all of which appeared in various tellings before. And just for thoroughness, as far as I can find, in romances of Chrétien de Troyes, Morgan is simply Arthur's sister, though maybe the author just saw no need to make distinctions between "sister" and "half-sister". I can't find an explicit mention of their fully or partially shared parentage there.
Good video! Tho one line I disagree with, despite not having to do anything with Morgan herself. She is not the only enemy that utterly defeated Chaldea before, is she? I guess it depends on what you think is complete defeat and also plot armor. I think Goetia is still the biggest threat we ever faced even with the lostbelts. If not for Solomon (plot armor or not) we would've wiped then and there. I mean he DID almost replicate Genesis and managed to kill most staff members of Chaldea with Lev's schemes, had the authority to deny our servants to manifest, and is also the only one to ever actually kill a core party member: Mash. LB1 and LB3 I don't think were great threats tbh, we just either stumbled there or wanted an antidote anyway. Once we gathered intelligence I think we probably were the actual threat. LB2 I don't remember that well I'll be honest but it was more about Surtr being a common enemy so we actually worked with Ophilia & Skadi until the end when she symbolically defended her people's right to live. In LB4 Arjuna easily defeats the entire party in combat without getting hurt at all before losing interest (plot armor or not), then despite that almost deleting our existence if Karna hadn't bought us 5 extra seconds against Maha-pralaya. In LB5 we utterly lost to Wodime's magecraft and only survived because he spared us. For Zeus and the other gods we had at least a plan on how to deal with them. And of course in LB6 we got Morgan who we seemingly defeated, only for her to be a clone and (plot armor or not) actually getting backstabbed by the fairies instead. I think it heavily depends on what you think is defeat / a wipe & how much plot armor was actually involved.
Chaldea has lost battles before, but later has come back to defeat those foes in battle. All of those other foes were eventually overcome by Chaldea, be it through their own efforts or the assistance of allies. Critically, they were overcome in battle. Morgan was not - she was done in by treason at the hands of people who had nothing to do with Chaldea. We never truly overcame Morgan in battle - just one of her copies, and it seems extremely unlikely that Chaldea could have actually beaten her: she wasn't going to give us the chance to try again.
I love these video's you do, especially how they serve as a two in one kinda deal. You're able to provide a somewhat in depth character analysis and an educational historical angle in a single video and I really enjoy it. Praise aside, I'm curious if you've ever played Final Fantasy XIV: Shadowbringers? Lostbelt 6 Morgan strikes a shocking resemblance character-wise to Shadowbringers main villain, Emet-Selch. And while I do think Emet is mostly better written and more compelling, I really enjoy the parallels the two have and I think Morgan was an awesome villain that served a very similar role but in the context of FGO's world. There's always something interesting and fascinating with the "hero gone dark" trope that just tickles and itch. Maybe it's because they let the reader empathize with the Villain that much more to the extreme where a lot of readers kinda forget they're supposed to be the bad guy in the wrong lmao.
I have played FF14, actually. I've... not thought about comparing Morgan to Emet-Selch though. It's certainly an interesting comparison though. Both of them certainly are trying to pursue an old dream that, unfortunately, seems to be from a long-passed age.
Fun story: my first ever impression of Morgan was from Magic Tree House, and she's a nice witch, so i was kinda shocked when i started playing fgo in 2017 and watching fate animes that Morgan is evil-aligned. All those childhood years of me thinking Morgan was good and Merlin was evil😂 And yes she's the first ever Arthurian legend person i know cause without fate i wouldnt even know who king arthur is
I actually interpreted her NP as symbolizing Morgan's goal of having a Camelot without people/fairy, and since It would have no people it'd end up a aimless, stagnant, roadless kingdom
At some point in LB 6’s story I started to wonder if Morgan was right. As Aesc, she had tried all the “right” methods and for millennia had paid dearly for her faith in the fae. “No more.” I thought.”The fairies mostly deserve what they’ve got.” I will say though that I just wished she and Castoria had been able to talk and understand each other. Alas, ‘twas not to be. SPOILER WARNING!!!! Also keep in mind how quickly things unravel for Britain after the throne room incident. Not only was she right about the Bug Man, she was holding the entire nation together.
Hhmm... so on the subject that she was born to two humans yet was a fairy, I have a possible crackpot theory. I do not exactly know how FGO presents fairies and this is a very long shot but it could be that she was stolen by fairies. In old folklore fairies were rather nasty creatures, kidnapping children or babies was a thing. Often taking them for lovers... ya I know but folklore is often on the wild side. In some tales they also take children and leave behind a fairy substitute. In some other tales fairies couldn't reproduce themselves, so they would take children and turn them into fairies. Now there is a lot of gaps in this as a theory but I guess it's possible, maybe she was kidnapped and turned into a fairy before being rescued by another fairy than taken back before her parents noticed? Or super crackpot time, maybe Morgan is just a fairy's substitute and no one knows not even herself.
Arthurian myth is very weird, Since I think its the first case of Fan-fiction Lancelot , was not in the earliest versions we know, but was added by French authors when the tales got to France Thus , you can actually tell the changing of the French court based on his characterisation at first his affair with Guinevere was seen as chivalric (Courtly Romance being popular in French courts) But in later telling's , its changed to the affair being immoral and wrong, showing the shifting of the French court away from the old idea of chivalry and courtly romance
Given how Lostbelt variants of people usually mirror their PPH counterparts, I am a firm believer Lostbelt and PPH Morgan mirror each other in personality but ended up differently. Like I imagine PPH Morgan was much like Tonelico when she was young, but after experiencing her own heartbreak in losing the throne to Artoria who just kinda showed up one day, became bitter and spiteful in comparison to Lostbelt Morgan who achieved the throne, but became a husk of who she used to be in the process.
When Myth's Morgan meet Fate's Morgan: MM: so you fucked whole Camelot up. Now that is awesome FM: Nah, it's actually kinda easy. I have just sent some of my kid inside, talked some shit into Mordred and the rest went smooth af. Angravain tried to foil but he's the one who started the downfall with the whole ordeal with Gwynavere and Lancelot
Hey... how far along in LB6 are you? Because the truth is... I actually have a video I want to do that, well, it directly discusses a story bit in LB6.
Not that far yet. I had speed powered through Heian-kyo with just enough time get Ranmaru before the end of GudaGuda, then took a small break right after GudaGuda so I wouldn't burn out, then started LB6 right before Christmas started, but lotto grind brought that to a stop. Think I left off right after meeting Oberon. Of course, we're almost down to the last 24 hours of Christmas, and as soon as it is over, I'll be hitting LB6 hard. I plan to read everything, but I would like to do Tunguska, so we'll see how quickly I can read @@CrazyYurie
Something I do want to note regarding PHH Morgan's appearance in the Ruler class. It's implied the reason she qualifies for the class is because she has zero interest in the Holy Grail itself and thus has no reason to be summoned in a Class that would put her into a position to fight for it in an HGW. After all, she's already a powerful witch with magecraft far beyond most people's ken. What use would she have for some golden bauble? Per LB Morgan's own words when the Holy Grail is brought up to her: _"The Holy Grail? Ah, that thing powerless humans seek. I do not need it. I don't even want to look upon it. Besides, it's something Arthur acquired, isn't it?"_
If you look at some of Morgan's current My Room conversations, you can see some of her more lively personality again. My favorite is her line regarding Archer Artoria, where she demands to have her water gun. 🤣 Truly a tragic character that deserves a better 2nd life.
So I keep hearing that Aesc should be pronounced "Ash" which is the only thing that doesn't make me like Tonelico better and puts them on the same level I believe by the time Mash meets Asec she has already turned her staff of selection in the the spear of selection through her previous battles warping it but that still wouldn't explain why the two are together there she never had both at the same time I like your theory though Vivian did the right thing to pay back Merlin even if it just put him in the place to help Chaldea but also outside of Fate too imo I do actually enjoy the idea that Uther was Morgan's daughter not daughter in law and fairy blood is just weird like that could stay dormant then come to the surface in a later generation on a lot of media The fact that PHH Morgan was willing to sacrifice her life for an alternate version of herself who she would never truly meet to have a chance at what she did not always touches my heart as so caring. That and LB6 Morgan's genuine love for fairies like Tristan and Woodwose are always what defines bother their personalities to me more than how harsh they were Having love even greater than the cruelty they bring to those they are trying to help Aesc tries to help fairy Britain be better Morgan decides to MAKE fairy Britain better and she does And the only thing that got in the way was the curse upon fairy kind that was Aurora I'm so happy that the writing team has made the decision to give her focus after the lost belt as well because she is a character with an almost infinite capacity for compassion and the power to make that compassion happen
Nah, Aesc means Ash but is still pronounced with a hard C (K sound) , at least when considering it is referencing Yggdrasil. You can see this pronounciation and spelling of 'Ask' in modern Scandinavian languages.
"The fact that PHH Morgan was willing to sacrifice her life for an alternate version of herself " I've never understood this sentiment. What is she sacrificing? She's already dead at that point. She has no life to sacrifice; she's a servant, a mere copy of the original Morgan, who's already in the throne of heroes. All servants are summoned with the understanding that this is not a second life but a mere dream, if you will. She gave up nothing; she lost nothing. To me, her decision to "sacrifice" herself felt more like an obligation for her. Like, "Ah, might as well; this is probably the most I'll get from this brief summon anyway." If anything, it would be a loss for her *not* to do that; it's a once-in-a "life"time opportunity; passing it up would be preposterous to her. I just find it a little silly to frame it as a noble act when there's nothing noble about what she did lmao. "Morgan decides to MAKE fairy Britain better and she does" Uh... what? Did we read the same story? She actively makes it worse. All she did was cope the whole way through because she was too far in to stop at that point. She just kept making it worse and worse for herself all while building this house of cards built on a foundation of sand, trying to fool herself into believing she's doing something worthwhile, because if it's not worthwhile, well, she doesn't want to come to the conclusion that it was all for naught. So she keeps coping and making things worse. In the end, Castoria had to come along and rip the bandage off for her. Except, well, in this metaphor, it would be a lot worse than a simple band-aid LMAO. Nothing Morgan did was right. She was entirely in the wrong; built off her trauma and depression, mixed with some sunk cost fallacies. She's tragic and empathetic and very well written, but at no point did she do the right thing. That's not to say she's irredeemable (unlike the faeries); I do agree that she definitely has plenty of compassion to go around; it's just that she never got the opportunity to properly extend that compassion reasonably in such a shitty world, not unlike Baobhan, which would partly explain why she cares for her so much. They're definitely two birds of a feather, that's for sure.
Maybe you could consider attack animations in your videos? There are a handful of animations that reference characters lore such as Lancelot's stick and Rama's banana
@@CrazyYurie That is completely understandable, don't worry. There are videos on RUclips for the purpose of just showing the animations. They are about 5 minutes long. Maybe that is something to look at?
@@mathijslaugeman6054 Oh I've seen the animations - I make sure to include them in the videos after all. But with how many other things digging into about the character, I hope that I don't forget something important. x_x
i hope that you'll eventually do an episode on the beasts, mainly cus i wanna know where their noble phantasm names come from, cus im pretty sure you cant just slap solomons name onto a part of your book and call it a day *cough*, goetia *cough*. though i still love my boy
my favorite servant so far she's my first and most likely only 5 star servant that I NP5 her I'll try to max her everything level 120, 10/10/10 skill, 2x2000 gold fou, all command card max enhancement (use fou footprint), max bound, max all append skill, everything that possible. :D
I’m not the biggest fan of Morgan, though admittedly that has more to do with some of her more… obsessive fans I think her story was executed fine in LB6, I get how she turned out the way she did, but I didn’t have the same reaction at the end as a lot of other people That said however, I think Morgan heard me talking smack about her, cuz I accidentally clicked on her banner when I was rolling for more Barghest copies on Oberon’s banner… and I got NP2 Morgan in one roll… 😅 The Winter Queen invited herself to my Chaldea, and I’m now afraid for my life 😅
@@CrazyYurie In my defense, while I can appreciate and respect dedication to one's favorites and or waifus/husbandos... some of these Morgan fans were simping for her so hard they could give Xu Fu's love for Consort Yu a run for her money 😅 Also I've got my waifus picked out, and Morgan is not one of them.... y'all can do whatever you want with her though, be my guest 😅
@@CrazyYurie If we're talking ones I enjoy for story and characterization/personality, going in class order; *Saber:* Siegfried, Gawain, Okita, Bedivere, Barghest, Proto-Arthur *Archer:* Emiya, Tristan, Chiron, Zenobia *Lancer:* Cu Chulainn, Karna, Ereshkigal, Valkyries, Percival, Gareth *Rider:* Medusa, Boudica, Martha, Achilles, Mandricardo, Taigong Wang, Ushiwakamaru, *Caster:* Tamamo, Waver, Medea, Cu/Odin, Skadi, Murasaki, Castoria, Merlin *Assassin:* Kama, Osakabehime, Charlotte Corday, Mata Hari *Berserker:* Kriemhild, Kintoki *Ruler:* Astraea, Himiko *Avenger:* Edmond Dantes, Jalter, Spishtar, Nobu *Moon Cancer:* *Alter Ego:* Meltryllis, Passionlip, Okita Alter *Foreigner:* *Pretender:* Oberon *Beast:* Space Ereshkigal I also generally love the Gudaguda crew and the CCC event. LB3 also made me like Qin Liangyu and respect Jing Ke (her character was good overall and so was her confrontation with the First Emperor, also her and Yan Qing are surprisingly cute together). And while I do agree with the general consensus that LB6 was one of the best in terms of writing and such, my personal favorites of the Lostbelts on NA thus far was actually Atlantis. I loved the time we spent with the Neo Argonauts, easily the best cast for any main story chapter we've gotten to date. Also props to them for how they handled Jason, I loved him in this chapter and they did his redemption really well. My only real complaint is that the antagonists were kinda dull, but that's small potatoes next to how good the story writing was and the characterization of the Neo Argonauts. All good civilization
@@CrazyYurie If we’re talking waifu candidates specifically… 😅: Tamamo, Medusa, Boudica, Ereshkigal, Charlotte Corday, Skadi, Jalter, Kama, Valkyrie (Thrud), Murasaki, Zenobia, Osakabehime, and Barghest Morgan is fine if that’s your type, but she’s a bit too cold, ruthless, and unfeeling for my liking. Morgan also teasing about making you her husband or wife right at the summoning is also a bit weird to me. I’ve heard some people say she’s just messing with you, like how she made Barryl her husband in the Lostbelt proper. But her declaring you her husband so quickly is kind of weird, since the LB6 crew remember their time in Fae Britain, and she was our enemy not too long ago, feels like she should still have some resentment for the part we played in ending her Britain. I’ve also heard she’s trying to secure a stronger position for herself within Chaldea, which sure if that was the motivation behind that, that could work. But I feel like any interest in or talk of actually being her husband/wife shouldn’t come until bond 4 or higher, once you’ve spent time with her and gotten her to relax a bit, get her to lower her guard and such. Like the line upon her summoning is just her teasing since the last time she had a master, she made Barryl her husband for political reasons, but clearly she doesn’t actually mean it and is just messing with you. But as she settles in at Chaldea and if you choose to invest in her, she slowly opens up and maybe, just maybe, starts to regain some of who she was before she broke and became colder than the dead of winter. But I'm rambling at this point, so I digress. I don’t hate Morgan, I just think she’s a bit overrated and think some of her fans need to chill the hell out 😅
Excellent video as usual. Have you considered doing one of these on Saint Martha in celebration of her Santa version which just released on NA? One of my favorite servants and I've be very curious to see how you rate her historical accuracy.
I really do want to try to cover servants that are more relevant to current events... I just look at my huge backlog of servants and... well, it's part of the reason I'm trying to churn out these videos as fast as possible. But... perhaps I should do that. :o
@@CrazyYurie No rush honestly but with all the other videos that other FGO youtubers are putting out which feature Santa Martha right now, using her name might help with the algorithm. I'm also clearly biased since she was present in my very first starting gatcha roll just after the NA version released and I have her ruler version at post bond 10. I'm also very impressed with Fate in general for how they handle Christian servants since there is an unfortunate tendency for series with Japanese roots to disrespect that subject for historical reasons which I find refreshingly absent in FGO and other Fate media.
Most characters in arthurian legend arent really noble in any means, not even arthur, the point about Merlin being the good is not true either more and more depictions show him as a morally gray character even fairly odd parents lmao. Even if Morgan was screwed over with the throne it doesnt justify any of her bad actions, in fate nor in the legend. She also gets depicted not as exclusively evil. And lets be honest there are women in arthurian myth who did many bad things like Elaine who also took adventage of Lancelot so saying oh a powerful woman, she must be evil...idk man especially if you consider that Vivian is depicted mostly a virtuous.
tbh for the longest time I thought her NP was titled "Lordless Camelot" instead of "Roadless Camelot". Didn't think much of it cause I thought Morgan didn't want anyone else to be king if she couldn't.
It's likely that the intent behind the name was to have double meaning for both, since the japanese name can be romanised as both "roadless" and "lordless" and lordless camelot would be directly referencing and opposing mash's lord camelot. though of course we can only preserve one of the layers in english.
What i dont understand: Why is she a berserk? She is not insane. She has no rage moments. And, she is very calm. Berserk look like the false class to her. For me, is she the most caster from all casters. And is the only true wizard in the game (Cu is druid^^). She wears long robes. Has a staff. And is only using magic. Specific, fire magic and life absorption. Most of the other wizards, like Merlin or Castoria, are using swords to. Or, are using there staffs to hit the enemy to. Aside of beeing caster, would Ruler (what she was originaly) or avenger make sense. The only reason to give her the berserk class is, so, that she can hit every enemy very hard.
She is very calm, but that's not how Morgan is supposed to be. She is meant to be much more active, impulsive, and open - which you get a good idea of from the fragment chapters. Her Berserker class is less "insane" and more "broken" in this case. It does make me raise my eyebrow a bit since I do believe that she's better seen as a caster, but it is what we have.
Aye man what do think guinevere would look Like because If fgo does I do hope she looks like yor forger. But if I want chaos definetly make ayaka a pseudo servant for guinevere fuhahahahaha.
Morgan: Caster -> Berserker
Artoria Caster: Caster -> Berserker
Conclusion: Being in Fairy Britain gave Avalon Le Fae madness
BURN THE FAIRIES
@@ajharris2690Ong some faries killed themselfs by just hearing the Mc was juman like what
Me: "Yay, I summoned Morgan!"
Morgan: "Kill all your other Berserkers. You only need me,....my husband."
Me: "Wait, what?"
kiyohime isnt gonna be happy about that one
When I summoned her I thought she I misread it and thought she was calling herself the husband. And that’s how she’s been in my mind ever since. Our Husband Morgan
I ... I think she is though?
It depends upon the gender of your character. She calls you husband if you are Gudao, and wife if you are Gudako.
@@CrazyYurie So she is your husband if your female mc, but she's your wife if your male mc. Interesting...
@@Aws0meness202We live laugh love a genderfluid queen.
@@Aws0meness202 Wouldn't she just be the wife in both scenario's? Lol. It's not like they can't both be each others wives.
My heart broke when a battered Morgan comforted Woodwose and he realized he'd been manipulated.
I want to point out that Aesc's Noble Phantasm is called "Memory of Londinium"
It hurt my soul a little bit when I realized Aesc literally weaponized her own trauma.
I love Morgan's story in FGO, as it perfectly executed one of my favorite villain backstory concepts: The hero who gave up.
Aesc the Savior was almost exactly like Artoria Caster back in the day, but after millennia of her hard work being undermined and retaliated against by the very people she was trying to protect she grew to resent them. In the end she concluded that the best way to protect the world was to take over and force it to stagnate.
That way it couldn't destroy itself.
Thats kinda what the Unlimitet Blade Works is too isnt it? Weaponized PTSD
I feel the need to point out that "weaponiz(ing) your trauma" sounds like a valid step in one's journey to own/accept it, though I'm not sure if Morgan's particular methods here meet my normal definition of these terms.
13:37 Oh I know this one!
In Fate, there seems to be a kind of primordial mana linked to the fae that the King of Britan is granted as the island's chosen successor, implied to be hereditary. Uther canonically was born with this mana and because Morgan seemingly wasn't, he hatched a plan with Merlin to birth a child with the blood of a dragon- Arturia. However, it turned out Morgan HAD been born with this mana but Uther still chose Arturia as his successor. There's even an implication that Arturia has the capacity to wield this mana,
So this helps explain some of the decisions with Morgan- she's a full sister now because Uther is the parent who has the power. She's a fae to link with Vivian through said mana. And she's so upset because the land of Britan LITERALLY chose her over Arturia.
Also I wanna address the supposed sexism of the time. Arthurian Myth is just very weird with its morality. Again- the Knights all had a habit of going berserk and killing people. Part of Mordred's evil is that he was the bastard son of King Arthur...even though both Galahad AND Arthur himself are bastard children of basically rape. And on yeah- Lancelot seems to spend half the myth getting raped with one of his rapists conceiving Galahad, bitching out Guinevere for chiding Lancelot after he got raped...again...by her! and then becoming his wife.
This myth's morality is all over the place.
P.S. Funny note, due to Fate fucking around with merging characters- This means Lancelot gets fucked by his mom and he accidentally cucks his aunt...while possibly having a crush on her too. He also killed like, three of his siblings too.
Poor Lancelot.
Bruh i was eating when watching this and my head feels hurt hearing the whole pendragon family f*** each other and kill each other
What Is this? Olympus ?
To be fair, Arthur didn't know Morgause was his half-sister. As for whether or not Morgause knew Arthur was her half-brother, that varies.
A small fact that I like about Morgan’s np is how it draws some elements from the fact that she’s also Vivian. When you tap her np card, she says something like “come to me dark lake”, and when you look closer at the background during Roadless Camelot it certainly looks like she’s under a lake’s surface
Morgan was easily one of the most fascinating aspects of LB6's story for me, and I was very sad to see her gone so quickly with such relatively limited screen time for how important she was in the story. Yes her backstory scenes with Mash flesh out her character quite a bit, but I wanted to see more of the modern queen, more of the woman who tries to be a mother to Sith, a person who has suffered unbelievable heartbreak, and see her regrets regarding the citizens she claimed to rule over. The scene of her reassuring Woodrose of her faith in him, even as she was dying... that struck hard, and makes me wonder if there was ever a potential for her to do something more to fix the fairies who had constantly gone against her wishes. I look forward to whatever appearances she'll have in the future, and will gladly use her as my universal buster farmer alongside Maou Nobu.
I honestly grew to love Morgan and wish for her to be happy. It made me so, oh so happy when Summer Morgan's NP showed her smiling and enjoying herself. It felt like seeing someone finally be unshackled from their terrible past
On the matter of design, lb6 fairies were a special case, their name heavily influences their looks, or rather their purpose.
Castoria and morgan, both were fairies created by the planet itself with a set purpose, savior of britain and they received names according to that purpose. Which in turn results in them looking like artoria. That also explains why Tonelico turns into morgan lookswise, cause she discards her original purpose as the savior and takes on morgans name proper, which results in her altering her appearence.
They are essentially not really morgan and artoria but fairies created by the planet that wear artoria and morgan fleshmasks.
Which also explains why castoria is so EXTREMELY different to phh artoria.
I think we can agree Morgan's accuracy is all over the place in terms of inspiration and sources. She's a melting pot of ideas and made something not fully Morgan.
And that's great. It created a truly interesting villain who you sympathize with.
Surprisingly LB6 was a far less messy affair of characters killing each other than actual Arthurian Legend..... I do have to admit that LB-Morgan is a fascinating character however. Her transformation from a Savior to a Tyrant might actually even mirror how Morgan has transformed in adaptions of the Arthurian Legend.
I know! When I was looking over Arthurian Legend, I was surprised at just how much the knights were killing or wounding each other. It's why I had to comment on it in the video. XD
Honestly Lostbelt Morgan feels very much what Altria of Proper history could have become had Camelot not fallen. Because at the end, Altria too was killed by rebellion.
AVALON LA FAE: WHO IS MORE TRAGIC, FAERIE EDITION!!!!
One of my favorite characters in fate easily. She is such a complex and tragic character she really does need a break.
As for her PHH version we sadly only really have second hand knowledge officially. But I've read some fics that piece her together fairly well and don't suger coat the fact that she is considered a "witch among witches" and definitely pulled some truly vile plots against her sister. But then there's also the fact that in fate she raised and trained Lancelot, Gawain, Agravain, Gaheris, Gareth, and Mordred. A fact that I think is often overlooked as it implies that she is actually a good motherly figure when she at least tries to be.
I would also like to mention that it is heavily implied that Lancer Artoria isn't exactly what a fully matured Artoria would really look like. As yes her growth is stated to no longer be hindered but it's also stated that her growth has been enhanced to match that of a divine being. So a naturally matured Artoria without the influence of holy relics would probably look a lot like Morgan.
Also yes, her hatred for Arthur is only surpassed by her hatred for Guinevere. And we somehow still don't have a fate version of the lonely beautiful queen of Camelot.
Thanks for the vid! It was incredible!
Thank you! I do hope you like the rest of them too! :D
Its also possible to read Morgan's NP as Lordless Camelot. Its full name is actually Roadless Camelot: The Now Unreachable Utopia. Its name is meant to intentionally juxtapose Mash/Galahad's NP Lord/Road Camelot: Now is a Castle of Distant Ideals
Morgan, they can never make me hate you.
I think she was the only antagonist in the FGO that I rooted for.
She wasn’t thoughtless in her tyranny. Sure, she was cold and outright spiteful due to the millenia of betrayal, but she didn’t outright deny the Fae pleasures when she easily could’ve. For someone who was just trying to save “only Britain,” she still had hope that maybe the fae could be, for a lack of a better term, “better.”
There are clear examples of it in our main cast. She took a liking to Woodwose, a beast like fae who shouldve only cared for carnage but, on his own, decided to adopt the loyalty and etiquette that would befit a royal knight. Barghest and Melusine - calamities in their own right - serviced their love towards things outside of themselves. Mike, a barkeep fae, who went against his primal desires and let Da Vinci be Davinci.
These are the Faeries she wanted in her Britain. That was the ideal she wanted to present for those who may “visit.”
But alas… it could never come true. Even before her rule, the fae around her were all too… fickle. That certainly didn’t change after she resummoned them. She couldn’t have asked them to cooperate against Cerrununos as they’re too self centered and would forgo long term goals for instant pleasures, comparitively speaking.
Lostbelt 6 Morgan is probably one of my top 5 favourite characters Nasu wrote and arguably one of my favourite characters in general.
People pronounce Aesc as Ash, because Æsc is an Old English for Ash Tree,
and Tonelico, LB Morgan's name in JP, literally translates as "Ash Tree" from Japanese.
I think that the version of Morgan we all know comes from the movie "Excalibur" by John Boorman, a super cool and trippy fantasy movie from the 80s, I highly recommend it. It is basically the source for every modern version of the Arthurian cycle.
I've actually never seen this movie, and only even heard about it recently. :o
@@CrazyYurie It is a fairly excellent film imo, give it a watch!
@@animekid9000 If I can, sure! I'll have to figure out where to find it. It would be too easy if it was on Netflix, probably. x_x
@@CrazyYurie
That was my first introduction to arturian legend. Im from latin america so, it wast really spread on my country, at least when i was a child ( my mom used to wach movies that were for teens or adults with me, and explain if i didnt know something), in the movie not all the knights are called with names so actually Apocrypha was the first Mordred for me, its a good movie, at least it covers a good spawn of time of the legend.
Meanwhile Morgan in Sea Monster crisis is having a good time lmao
Indeed!
What do you need a placeholder Gaheris for if he and Palamedes are in the second Camelot movie? Presumably Gaheris is the "wide" figure with a two handed weapon and Palamedes is the hooded figure with a slightly curved sword. We know the full list of the knights the Lion King summoned and what Kay's armor looks like so by process of elimination we only have those 2 left.
But I don't have a sprite for either of them. :/
@@CrazyYurie While their silhouettes would still be placeholders, both are clearly supposed to be finished designs, just obscured for whatever reason.
Super Orion might surprise you with how accurate is his portrayal in FGO
Oh? I'll be looking forward to that! :D
Isn't Morgan worthy of being considered the most tragic servant in FGO?
She's certainly up there.
1:04 In the earlier versions of Arthurian lore Morgan was a good person and the ruler of the land of the fae actually ruler was the second class I thought Morgan would be than Berserker because of her craziness (stupidity) in some(most) legends
Note this is my thoughts the moment I found out Morgan was coming to fgo
This is the kind of thing that makes me save sq for 2 years
This video? Awesome! Though Morgan is coming much sooner than 2 years!
These videos are so nicely done.
Haven't enjoyed *Fate* content like this since stumbling upon *Dais* work some many moons back.
Best wishes that the channel continues to grow by others finding your content.
Thanks! I hope so too! :D
great video, you pointed out a few things that i didn't notice like the play on frozen ice. tho i am sad you dint point out some of her other aspects.
like how her secound ascension spear resembles Excalibur, emphasizing her as the ruler of this land or how her spear ist transforming into other weapons but is insted summoning old weapons her comrades once used in Londinium
Some things do inevitably slip through the cracks when making videos as large as this. x_x
@@CrazyYurie the pain is strong
And you had to use Morgana from the Merlin series as the thumbnail…. God I loved that show.
Something that I often wonder about, was the decision to make PHH Morgan Artoria's full sister, rather than half-sister, just a whim of the writers, or was it a deliberate attempt to mix together more of the "Arthur's sister" characters.
In Geoffrey of Monmouth's "Historia Regum Britanniae" Arthur did have a full sister:
"...[Uther and Igraine ("Igerna")] remained together thereafter, united by no little passion, and had a son and daughter. Their son was called Arthur, their daughter Anna."
I'd wish to ignore some of Geoffrey's inconsistent statements about Arthur's family, but they actually may be relevant here for the next bit. While Geoffrey usually refers to Mordred ("Modred") and Gawain as Arthur's nephews and says that Uther gave Anna's hand to Lot ("Loth"), there is also this statement:
"Loth, who in the reign of Aurelius Ambrosius had married the king’s sister and fathered Gawain and Modred, recovered the earldom of Lothian and its associated provinces."
This would make Lot's wife Uther's sister, not Arthur's. Some of the later Scottish chronicles (John Fordun's "Chronica Gentis Scotorum", Hector Boece's Historia Gentis Scotorum) mention or wholly adopt this genealogy and make argument that Anna's family (she, Lot, Mordred, Gawain) have a stronger claim to the the throne than Arthur, because he was conceived out of wedlock, hence a bastard, while Anna (either as Uther's sister or Arthur's sister, but conceived after Uther married Igraine) was a legitimate heir.
Another statement of Geoffrey that I need to address is this:
"Hoelus was the son of Arthur’s sister and of Budicius, king of the Armorican Britons"
Not sure if it is meant to be Anna again, or just Arthur's another previously unmentioned sister. This only matters as extra context for the line in Alain Bouchart's "Grande Croniques de Bretagne", roughly translated:
"...[Uther] married [Igerna], and from this union, they had three children: the first was a daughter named Anne or Emine, who married Budic, king of our Armorican Brittany; the second child was the valiant Arthur, and the third was a daughter who was married to Loth of London, from whom the traitor Mordred was born."
Here, Anna is older than Arthur.
Okay, this came out a bit disjointed and bloated, but my point is this: Fate's PHH Morgan has the "Arthur's full sister", "Arthur's older sister", and "Arthur's sister with a stronger claim to the throne" elements to her, all of which appeared in various tellings before.
And just for thoroughness, as far as I can find, in romances of Chrétien de Troyes, Morgan is simply Arthur's sister, though maybe the author just saw no need to make distinctions between "sister" and "half-sister". I can't find an explicit mention of their fully or partially shared parentage there.
Good video! Tho one line I disagree with, despite not having to do anything with Morgan herself. She is not the only enemy that utterly defeated Chaldea before, is she? I guess it depends on what you think is complete defeat and also plot armor.
I think Goetia is still the biggest threat we ever faced even with the lostbelts. If not for Solomon (plot armor or not) we would've wiped then and there. I mean he DID almost replicate Genesis and managed to kill most staff members of Chaldea with Lev's schemes, had the authority to deny our servants to manifest, and is also the only one to ever actually kill a core party member: Mash.
LB1 and LB3 I don't think were great threats tbh, we just either stumbled there or wanted an antidote anyway. Once we gathered intelligence I think we probably were the actual threat.
LB2 I don't remember that well I'll be honest but it was more about Surtr being a common enemy so we actually worked with Ophilia & Skadi until the end when she symbolically defended her people's right to live.
In LB4 Arjuna easily defeats the entire party in combat without getting hurt at all before losing interest (plot armor or not), then despite that almost deleting our existence if Karna hadn't bought us 5 extra seconds against Maha-pralaya.
In LB5 we utterly lost to Wodime's magecraft and only survived because he spared us. For Zeus and the other gods we had at least a plan on how to deal with them.
And of course in LB6 we got Morgan who we seemingly defeated, only for her to be a clone and (plot armor or not) actually getting backstabbed by the fairies instead.
I think it heavily depends on what you think is defeat / a wipe & how much plot armor was actually involved.
Chaldea has lost battles before, but later has come back to defeat those foes in battle. All of those other foes were eventually overcome by Chaldea, be it through their own efforts or the assistance of allies. Critically, they were overcome in battle. Morgan was not - she was done in by treason at the hands of people who had nothing to do with Chaldea. We never truly overcame Morgan in battle - just one of her copies, and it seems extremely unlikely that Chaldea could have actually beaten her: she wasn't going to give us the chance to try again.
@@CrazyYurie ah so that's what you mean, understandable
@@CrazyYurie Tbf Chaldea would've never beaten Goetia in battle without Solomon's interference either.
I love these video's you do, especially how they serve as a two in one kinda deal. You're able to provide a somewhat in depth character analysis and an educational historical angle in a single video and I really enjoy it.
Praise aside, I'm curious if you've ever played Final Fantasy XIV: Shadowbringers? Lostbelt 6 Morgan strikes a shocking resemblance character-wise to Shadowbringers main villain, Emet-Selch. And while I do think Emet is mostly better written and more compelling, I really enjoy the parallels the two have and I think Morgan was an awesome villain that served a very similar role but in the context of FGO's world. There's always something interesting and fascinating with the "hero gone dark" trope that just tickles and itch. Maybe it's because they let the reader empathize with the Villain that much more to the extreme where a lot of readers kinda forget they're supposed to be the bad guy in the wrong lmao.
I have played FF14, actually. I've... not thought about comparing Morgan to Emet-Selch though. It's certainly an interesting comparison though. Both of them certainly are trying to pursue an old dream that, unfortunately, seems to be from a long-passed age.
Fun story: my first ever impression of Morgan was from Magic Tree House, and she's a nice witch, so i was kinda shocked when i started playing fgo in 2017 and watching fate animes that Morgan is evil-aligned. All those childhood years of me thinking Morgan was good and Merlin was evil😂
And yes she's the first ever Arthurian legend person i know cause without fate i wouldnt even know who king arthur is
I actually interpreted her NP as symbolizing Morgan's goal of having a Camelot without people/fairy, and since It would have no people it'd end up a aimless, stagnant, roadless kingdom
I thought I could watch this unfazed. Nah, getting to Morgan's end still makes me cry.
At some point in LB 6’s story I started to wonder if Morgan was right. As Aesc, she had tried all the “right” methods and for millennia had paid dearly for her faith in the fae. “No more.” I thought.”The fairies mostly deserve what they’ve got.” I will say though that I just wished she and Castoria had been able to talk and understand each other. Alas, ‘twas not to be.
SPOILER WARNING!!!!
Also keep in mind how quickly things unravel for Britain after the throne room incident. Not only was she right about the Bug Man, she was holding the entire nation together.
YES FATHER! YOU WILL HAVE OR- I MEAN JUSTICE!
I don't get the reference. What's this from? :o
@@CrazyYurie Zhongli from genshin impact when he use his alt.
@@HyperDragonX Ah. I don't play that game.
Hhmm... so on the subject that she was born to two humans yet was a fairy, I have a possible crackpot theory. I do not exactly know how FGO presents fairies and this is a very long shot but it could be that she was stolen by fairies. In old folklore fairies were rather nasty creatures, kidnapping children or babies was a thing. Often taking them for lovers... ya I know but folklore is often on the wild side. In some tales they also take children and leave behind a fairy substitute. In some other tales fairies couldn't reproduce themselves, so they would take children and turn them into fairies. Now there is a lot of gaps in this as a theory but I guess it's possible, maybe she was kidnapped and turned into a fairy before being rescued by another fairy than taken back before her parents noticed? Or super crackpot time, maybe Morgan is just a fairy's substitute and no one knows not even herself.
You do so well on these bro
Thank you! :D
Arthurian myth is very weird, Since I think its the first case of Fan-fiction
Lancelot , was not in the earliest versions we know, but was added by French authors when the tales got to France
Thus , you can actually tell the changing of the French court based on his characterisation at first his affair with Guinevere was seen as chivalric (Courtly Romance being popular in French courts)
But in later telling's , its changed to the affair being immoral and wrong, showing the shifting of the French court away from the old idea of chivalry and courtly romance
Given how Lostbelt variants of people usually mirror their PPH counterparts, I am a firm believer Lostbelt and PPH Morgan mirror each other in personality but ended up differently. Like I imagine PPH Morgan was much like Tonelico when she was young, but after experiencing her own heartbreak in losing the throne to Artoria who just kinda showed up one day, became bitter and spiteful in comparison to Lostbelt Morgan who achieved the throne, but became a husk of who she used to be in the process.
This makes sense to me. :D
There is only one "Queen Witch" (by own admission) and it is Circe!
Hey My Circe hit Bond 10 during this Xmas lotto. I know her value!
When Myth's Morgan meet Fate's Morgan:
MM: so you fucked whole Camelot up. Now that is awesome
FM: Nah, it's actually kinda easy. I have just sent some of my kid inside, talked some shit into Mordred and the rest went smooth af. Angravain tried to foil but he's the one who started the downfall with the whole ordeal with Gwynavere and Lancelot
I love your videos, but I'm gonna have to save this one for later since I'm not done with LB6 yet, and I don't want to spoil everything for myself
Alas, this is a good idea. I very blatantly spoil LB6 in this video.
Hey... how far along in LB6 are you? Because the truth is... I actually have a video I want to do that, well, it directly discusses a story bit in LB6.
Not that far yet. I had speed powered through Heian-kyo with just enough time get Ranmaru before the end of GudaGuda, then took a small break right after GudaGuda so I wouldn't burn out, then started LB6 right before Christmas started, but lotto grind brought that to a stop. Think I left off right after meeting Oberon. Of course, we're almost down to the last 24 hours of Christmas, and as soon as it is over, I'll be hitting LB6 hard. I plan to read everything, but I would like to do Tunguska, so we'll see how quickly I can read @@CrazyYurie
Something I do want to note regarding PHH Morgan's appearance in the Ruler class. It's implied the reason she qualifies for the class is because she has zero interest in the Holy Grail itself and thus has no reason to be summoned in a Class that would put her into a position to fight for it in an HGW. After all, she's already a powerful witch with magecraft far beyond most people's ken. What use would she have for some golden bauble? Per LB Morgan's own words when the Holy Grail is brought up to her:
_"The Holy Grail? Ah, that thing powerless humans seek. I do not need it. I don't even want to look upon it. Besides, it's something Arthur acquired, isn't it?"_
She was one of my first servants in the game
If you look at some of Morgan's current My Room conversations, you can see some of her more lively personality again.
My favorite is her line regarding Archer Artoria, where she demands to have her water gun. 🤣
Truly a tragic character that deserves a better 2nd life.
A yes Ptsd i can relate
1:42 winter king is one of Arthur's titles Morgan is parodying it
So I keep hearing that Aesc should be pronounced "Ash" which is the only thing that doesn't make me like Tonelico better and puts them on the same level
I believe by the time Mash meets Asec she has already turned her staff of selection in the the spear of selection through her previous battles warping it but that still wouldn't explain why the two are together there she never had both at the same time I like your theory though
Vivian did the right thing to pay back Merlin even if it just put him in the place to help Chaldea but also outside of Fate too imo
I do actually enjoy the idea that Uther was Morgan's daughter not daughter in law and fairy blood is just weird like that could stay dormant then come to the surface in a later generation on a lot of media
The fact that PHH Morgan was willing to sacrifice her life for an alternate version of herself who she would never truly meet to have a chance at what she did not always touches my heart as so caring. That and LB6 Morgan's genuine love for fairies like Tristan and Woodwose are always what defines bother their personalities to me more than how harsh they were
Having love even greater than the cruelty they bring to those they are trying to help
Aesc tries to help fairy Britain be better
Morgan decides to MAKE fairy Britain better and she does
And the only thing that got in the way was the curse upon fairy kind that was Aurora
I'm so happy that the writing team has made the decision to give her focus after the lost belt as well because she is a character with an almost infinite capacity for compassion and the power to make that compassion happen
Nah, Aesc means Ash but is still pronounced with a hard C (K sound) , at least when considering it is referencing Yggdrasil. You can see this pronounciation and spelling of 'Ask' in modern Scandinavian languages.
"The fact that PHH Morgan was willing to sacrifice her life for an alternate version of herself "
I've never understood this sentiment. What is she sacrificing? She's already dead at that point. She has no life to sacrifice; she's a servant, a mere copy of the original Morgan, who's already in the throne of heroes. All servants are summoned with the understanding that this is not a second life but a mere dream, if you will. She gave up nothing; she lost nothing. To me, her decision to "sacrifice" herself felt more like an obligation for her. Like, "Ah, might as well; this is probably the most I'll get from this brief summon anyway." If anything, it would be a loss for her *not* to do that; it's a once-in-a "life"time opportunity; passing it up would be preposterous to her.
I just find it a little silly to frame it as a noble act when there's nothing noble about what she did lmao.
"Morgan decides to MAKE fairy Britain better and she does"
Uh... what? Did we read the same story? She actively makes it worse. All she did was cope the whole way through because she was too far in to stop at that point. She just kept making it worse and worse for herself all while building this house of cards built on a foundation of sand, trying to fool herself into believing she's doing something worthwhile, because if it's not worthwhile, well, she doesn't want to come to the conclusion that it was all for naught. So she keeps coping and making things worse. In the end, Castoria had to come along and rip the bandage off for her. Except, well, in this metaphor, it would be a lot worse than a simple band-aid LMAO.
Nothing Morgan did was right. She was entirely in the wrong; built off her trauma and depression, mixed with some sunk cost fallacies. She's tragic and empathetic and very well written, but at no point did she do the right thing. That's not to say she's irredeemable (unlike the faeries); I do agree that she definitely has plenty of compassion to go around; it's just that she never got the opportunity to properly extend that compassion reasonably in such a shitty world, not unlike Baobhan, which would partly explain why she cares for her so much. They're definitely two birds of a feather, that's for sure.
Maybe you could consider attack animations in your videos? There are a handful of animations that reference characters lore such as Lancelot's stick and Rama's banana
I do know that some of them reveal things of note, so I'll try to get those in. It can be hard to remember every little thing sometimes. x_x
@@CrazyYurie That is completely understandable, don't worry. There are videos on RUclips for the purpose of just showing the animations. They are about 5 minutes long. Maybe that is something to look at?
@@mathijslaugeman6054 Oh I've seen the animations - I make sure to include them in the videos after all. But with how many other things digging into about the character, I hope that I don't forget something important. x_x
i hope that you'll eventually do an episode on the beasts, mainly cus i wanna know where their noble phantasm names come from, cus im pretty sure you cant just slap solomons name onto a part of your book and call it a day *cough*, goetia *cough*. though i still love my boy
I do plan to!
@@CrazyYurie Yippee!
One mistake i caught on, you mentioned Human Trait(that refers to Human beings, as in, mortal Humans) instead of Human Attribute.
I want to get Morgan so badly
One day, surely, bud
Her next banner is in... 4 months or so? Good luck! :D
@@CrazyYurie thanks you crazy sob
my favorite servant so far
she's my first and most likely only 5 star servant that I NP5 her
I'll try to max her everything level 120, 10/10/10 skill, 2x2000 gold fou, all command card max enhancement (use fou footprint), max bound, max all append skill, everything that possible. :D
I'm working on that too! :D
01:22 tanjiro actually the one whos hella swole😂 guess asta got his competition for shortest buffest mcs
(Edit oops wrong video )
Commenting for the algorithm, great video
Love this, great job!
I’m not the biggest fan of Morgan, though admittedly that has more to do with some of her more… obsessive fans
I think her story was executed fine in LB6, I get how she turned out the way she did, but I didn’t have the same reaction at the end as a lot of other people
That said however, I think Morgan heard me talking smack about her, cuz I accidentally clicked on her banner when I was rolling for more Barghest copies on Oberon’s banner… and I got NP2 Morgan in one roll… 😅
The Winter Queen invited herself to my Chaldea, and I’m now afraid for my life 😅
You are right to be afraid. My Morgan is lvl 120 NP5 and almost 2k fou'd. If your Morgan won't murder you, mine will! :P
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In my defense, while I can appreciate and respect dedication to one's favorites and or waifus/husbandos... some of these Morgan fans were simping for her so hard they could give Xu Fu's love for Consort Yu a run for her money 😅
Also I've got my waifus picked out, and Morgan is not one of them.... y'all can do whatever you want with her though, be my guest 😅
@@Alexzander1989 May I ask who your favorites are?
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If we're talking ones I enjoy for story and characterization/personality, going in class order;
*Saber:* Siegfried, Gawain, Okita, Bedivere, Barghest, Proto-Arthur
*Archer:* Emiya, Tristan, Chiron, Zenobia
*Lancer:* Cu Chulainn, Karna, Ereshkigal, Valkyries, Percival, Gareth
*Rider:* Medusa, Boudica, Martha, Achilles, Mandricardo, Taigong Wang, Ushiwakamaru,
*Caster:* Tamamo, Waver, Medea, Cu/Odin, Skadi, Murasaki, Castoria, Merlin
*Assassin:* Kama, Osakabehime, Charlotte Corday, Mata Hari
*Berserker:* Kriemhild, Kintoki
*Ruler:* Astraea, Himiko
*Avenger:* Edmond Dantes, Jalter, Spishtar, Nobu
*Moon Cancer:*
*Alter Ego:* Meltryllis, Passionlip, Okita Alter
*Foreigner:*
*Pretender:* Oberon
*Beast:* Space Ereshkigal
I also generally love the Gudaguda crew and the CCC event. LB3 also made me like Qin Liangyu and respect Jing Ke (her character was good overall and so was her confrontation with the First Emperor, also her and Yan Qing are surprisingly cute together). And while I do agree with the general consensus that LB6 was one of the best in terms of writing and such, my personal favorites of the Lostbelts on NA thus far was actually Atlantis. I loved the time we spent with the Neo Argonauts, easily the best cast for any main story chapter we've gotten to date. Also props to them for how they handled Jason, I loved him in this chapter and they did his redemption really well. My only real complaint is that the antagonists were kinda dull, but that's small potatoes next to how good the story writing was and the characterization of the Neo Argonauts. All good civilization
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If we’re talking waifu candidates specifically… 😅:
Tamamo, Medusa, Boudica, Ereshkigal, Charlotte Corday, Skadi, Jalter, Kama, Valkyrie (Thrud), Murasaki, Zenobia, Osakabehime, and Barghest
Morgan is fine if that’s your type, but she’s a bit too cold, ruthless, and unfeeling for my liking. Morgan also teasing about making you her husband or wife right at the summoning is also a bit weird to me. I’ve heard some people say she’s just messing with you, like how she made Barryl her husband in the Lostbelt proper. But her declaring you her husband so quickly is kind of weird, since the LB6 crew remember their time in Fae Britain, and she was our enemy not too long ago, feels like she should still have some resentment for the part we played in ending her Britain.
I’ve also heard she’s trying to secure a stronger position for herself within Chaldea, which sure if that was the motivation behind that, that could work. But I feel like any interest in or talk of actually being her husband/wife shouldn’t come until bond 4 or higher, once you’ve spent time with her and gotten her to relax a bit, get her to lower her guard and such.
Like the line upon her summoning is just her teasing since the last time she had a master, she made Barryl her husband for political reasons, but clearly she doesn’t actually mean it and is just messing with you. But as she settles in at Chaldea and if you choose to invest in her, she slowly opens up and maybe, just maybe, starts to regain some of who she was before she broke and became colder than the dead of winter.
But I'm rambling at this point, so I digress. I don’t hate Morgan, I just think she’s a bit overrated and think some of her fans need to chill the hell out 😅
Excellent video as usual. Have you considered doing one of these on Saint Martha in celebration of her Santa version which just released on NA? One of my favorite servants and I've be very curious to see how you rate her historical accuracy.
I really do want to try to cover servants that are more relevant to current events... I just look at my huge backlog of servants and... well, it's part of the reason I'm trying to churn out these videos as fast as possible. But... perhaps I should do that. :o
@@CrazyYurie No rush honestly but with all the other videos that other FGO youtubers are putting out which feature Santa Martha right now, using her name might help with the algorithm.
I'm also clearly biased since she was present in my very first starting gatcha roll just after the NA version released and I have her ruler version at post bond 10. I'm also very impressed with Fate in general for how they handle Christian servants since there is an unfortunate tendency for series with Japanese roots to disrespect that subject for historical reasons which I find refreshingly absent in FGO and other Fate media.
Most characters in arthurian legend arent really noble in any means, not even arthur, the point about Merlin being the good is not true either more and more depictions show him as a morally gray character even fairly odd parents lmao. Even if Morgan was screwed over with the throne it doesnt justify any of her bad actions, in fate nor in the legend. She also gets depicted not as exclusively evil. And lets be honest there are women in arthurian myth who did many bad things like Elaine who also took adventage of Lancelot so saying oh a powerful woman, she must be evil...idk man especially if you consider that Vivian is depicted mostly a virtuous.
It was a comment on the demonization of women who wielded magic - a "witch" as opposed to the "wizard" Merlin.
@@CrazyYurie yea and didnit Vivian/Nimueh have magic? Merlin was also called son of the devil.
tbh for the longest time I thought her NP was titled "Lordless Camelot" instead of "Roadless Camelot". Didn't think much of it cause I thought Morgan didn't want anyone else to be king if she couldn't.
It's likely that the intent behind the name was to have double meaning for both, since the japanese name can be romanised as both "roadless" and "lordless" and lordless camelot would be directly referencing and opposing mash's lord camelot. though of course we can only preserve one of the layers in english.
What i dont understand:
Why is she a berserk?
She is not insane. She has no rage moments. And, she is very calm. Berserk look like the false class to her.
For me, is she the most caster from all casters. And is the only true wizard in the game (Cu is druid^^).
She wears long robes. Has a staff. And is only using magic. Specific, fire magic and life absorption.
Most of the other wizards, like Merlin or Castoria, are using swords to. Or, are using there staffs to hit the enemy to.
Aside of beeing caster, would Ruler (what she was originaly) or avenger make sense.
The only reason to give her the berserk class is, so, that she can hit every enemy very hard.
She is very calm, but that's not how Morgan is supposed to be. She is meant to be much more active, impulsive, and open - which you get a good idea of from the fragment chapters. Her Berserker class is less "insane" and more "broken" in this case. It does make me raise my eyebrow a bit since I do believe that she's better seen as a caster, but it is what we have.
Not sure if you know of this but iirc the name Aesc is pronounced as "ash" like the tree.
cool vid
"Aesc" is pronounced like "Ash". It's an older spelling.
Aye man what do think guinevere would look Like because If fgo does I do hope she looks like yor forger. But if I want chaos definetly make ayaka a pseudo servant for guinevere fuhahahahaha.
I'm not sure, but she certainly is on the list of servants who seem likely to eventually make it into the game.
@@CrazyYurie yeahh hopefully she does looks wise she should look like yor.
real world knights of the round beats fates version, all the killing, blood, incest, and non-character merging and no gender swaps....sigh
I mean, the fate version still has those things. We just didn't see as much of it.