The Illusion of Free Will
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What if I told you that free will is a myth? That we are all just a group of atoms who will react to a particular stimulus in a way that can be predetermined? This is what we call free will; is it real, or just an illusion?
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Reminds me of a speech about how no matter how smart, rational, and calculated your are.
At a life changing decision. You will always go with your feelings.
"Everyone is a slave to their will."
Sounds like something Eren or Kenny would say lol
@@williammitchell8263 yeah lol the quote is from Kenny, he wrapped up the topic in better words :v
@@herculean616 ok I knew it sounded familiar
But wouldn't you use your logic to also aid in such desicion makings?
Thing is, we assume out feelings to be unintelligent. They aren't.. they are just as smart and as fallible as the rest of us..
We shouldn't make decisions of feeling *alone*, but it'd be stupid to ignore them.
Do you get a bad feeling about going one way instead of another way on your way home? If they're normally both safe ways home, listen to your gut. You may find there was a good reason you felt that way, even if you didn't know why yet.
We pick up far more information than we are consciously aware of. Don't lightly ignore it in the name of rational superiority. There is nothing national about trying to decide things with only part of your mind, and with only part of available information.
I actually really like the saying "Everyone is a slave to their will." I just wonder how accurate that really is.
This Will guy should be released immediately. We all know he did nothing wrong. He deserves freedom. #freewill
🤣🤣Totally underrated comment here
Yeah I wish the devs would just release them already🙄🙄
LOL 😂😂😂😂😂😂
😔 #freewill #llfw
The Whale or fresh Prince?
So basically, ignorant bliss > informed despair
@@Shadhooe wow that sums up my whole experience...
@@Shadhooe i was just telling my friend i wish i was as stupid as some people are. it looks fun. once you crack the code there’s no going back. it’s a blessing and a curse to be self-aware.
@@Shadhooe You just need to accept that the truth is hard, the good thing about knowledge and truth is that they give you the tools to success, you need to make happiness from them
LOL
@@taykhamilton same dude, same...
This is why I don't hold on to tension. People only think, feel, and do what they're capable of thinking, feeling, and doing. If you quietly watch people long enough, they become predictable. It's calming. And when they do what you predict, it's like a little nugget of irony and comedy. Everyone has their role. Just laugh it off and keep it moving
No not really, not at all. Many brilliant intelligent scientists are also theist that believe in free will. According to this man’s claim one would be predisposed to one thing & yet throughout life you have people that swear by their mothers name they believe in science but then turn to god AND vice versa. Logic tells you, you would be gear towards one not both. It’s a juxtaposition. If the theory of evolution is about survival than the idea of even needing to make such existential question & for it to even bother a human so much that they’d take their own life away or become depressed over it does not make sense. It makes evolution look unreliable
@@jocelynfuentes4497 what
“If you quietly watch people long enough, they become predictable.”
…who tf has the time for that?
@@silverbullet537 Parents with their children?
@@Antimonious childrens brains arent fully developed, their curious, constantly questioning and trying to explore everything
I would totally listen to a podcast with you in it
if you're intersested i recommened readinh homo deus by yuval noah harrari. He has talked about many
similar topics in this video as well as the mystery of consciousness
Same, the goddamn voice ❤️
Yeah Joe Rogan should have him on the podcast someday. Would make for a really interestingly philosophical discussion.
Nah I'm gd dis guys a weirdo
@@kadin7199 no one asked you
my favorite existential crisis channel
*laughs in Kurzgesagt* 🤣
laughs in exurb1a
laughs in sciencephile the AI
laughs
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Some of us now may be suffering so immensely due to the fact that people have hurt us. We often take betrayals and ill-treatment from other people so personally and it causes deep wounds. I think an understanding of determinism can actually be very freeing rather than depressing and can heal some of the deepest wounds we have. If we understand that these people didn't know any better or couldn't actually act in the way that would have prevented our pain we can stop taking things so personally and begin to heal. Use this to free yourself from hate and bitterness you might be holding onto. It's one of the best uses of this information.
If you have been hurt as you just described, I pray for your healing and redemption. (Or maybe you're already there. I don't know...)
If we understand these things we may suffer less, but we have no control over what we understand
The key is not be so concerned and especially not consumed with what others do. The only thing u should focus on is what YOU DO.
@@newagain9964 my wife wouldn't like it if i ignored her
@@gives_bad_advice did I say ignore? Also, loved ones are diff than gen Public. That’s the cost of the those relationships. So choose/maintain them wisely. Even they can drag u down (and won’t care)
the ending is bascially when your friend leak a huge secret about someone's dirt to you and then expect you to still act normal around that person.
I've never heard a more accurate analogy
This man is a living intellectual. His content is full of intellectual thoughts. It makes you think and analyze.
Great content.
don't praise him it's not his choice
Well apparently thinking has no value. It seems irrational to me to exclude our humanity and just present us as machines with no free will and no real consciousness.
@@isseabdirahmanweheliye9010 though true, I think we should still praise him for no other reason than to encourage production of more such videos.
@@andreirachko So you make a choice to praise him and he can make a choice to make more videos?
@@soslothful circumstances beyond my control made me praise him; circumstances beyond his control will lead to him either making more videos or not. What I hope to achieve is be that circumstance which will lead to him making more videos by offering him praise.
This, to me, is the same as potentially finding out that we live in a simulation. It is a shock at first, but then I accept it and I realise that it makes no difference, it changes nothing for most of us in our daily lives. No matter how or why, we still exist, we still coexist. Why would we let this change us if we know that living our lives and being a good person is something we have already been doing for quite some time and that that is something that we are apparently relatively good at? Judging by everything we know, we humans, for whatever reason, are relatively good at building societies and cooperating, why would we let the societies for which we all worked, and still work, so hard to create and maintain fall apart because of something like this? I will simply continue to live my life, I will continue to be me, you will continue to be you and we will continue to be human, will continue to be we. I do not need purpose to be created for me, I can do that myself. Whether that is actually me doing it or my brain does matter, but it also does not. The same goes, or at least, I believe it should, for us all. We can create our own purpose just as we have created our own societies. Again, whether that is our brains doing this for us or not does matter, but it also does not. So, live your life, be a good person in whatever way you can and take care of yourself and others. Whether I am saying that to you or your brain does not really matter, as long as it has the desired affect.
Cheers to being ourselves.🍻
@@jagadishgospat2548 indeed, it is the best we can do really. Continue to be our selfs, while also remaining open to change.
TL DR
@@shivz732 then do not read.
@@sanderhoogeland9161 I already told you I didn't, do you know how to read?
"There is no free will. It doesn't exist."
Starting to sound like Eren
Tatakae
Who's that
@@borek92 Eren Jeager from an anime called Attack on Titan
@Fires And Flowers it does not exist. Read Free will by Sam Harris
@@konyvnyelv. it absolutely exists
"Everything that happens to you has been waiting to happen to you since the beginning of time itself." Marcus Aurelius
That's bs, if we would really work in a predicted manner reality would really just be an already written book and we're on page xyz... But that's not how it everything has a random chaotic nature and therefore choices are also random and chaotic even though in build up frame...
In chemistry for example u can put two chemicals under some conditions together and you'll theoretically know we're an equilibrium will form and therefore the outcome of the reaction but still in the practical reality it could be completely different
@@ml14056but in randomness and chaos there is always order
@@sazinali3842 yeah right... that sounds poetic and somewhat philosophical but it's just absolutely wrong.
Random or chaotic systems have this trait that they're not predictable... So you don't have order.... I can say that if I burn so and so much fuel in my motor In so and so much time my wheels will get a torque of so and so many newtonmeters and therefore my car will accelerate to so and so high velocities which leads to it moving so and so many meters... That's order, that's predictability up to a constant factor.... You don't get this with chaotic systems, you simply can't predict it.... The only thing you can predict is that in the end everything will have it's most stable state... Which would be a hot and simple nothingness... But you can't predict how we'll land there and therefore not the course of a life
@@ml14056 If you got back in time knowing everything that will happen in the universe, it wouldn't be chaotic for you but chaotic for everyone else.
@@ml14056 is not the case though that just because humans have not found a way to predict something, it doesn’t mean the process itself is not predetermined ? I think Sam Harris deals with this question in his book on free will.
Crazy to think that 'destiny', an idea that is so engrained in us as fiction or fantasy, is actually completely true and something we all will follow.
This also means that our universe is nothing but merely a movie ) And we all are here playing our Respective Roles ) We have zero control over what we do )
@@КонстантинКругляков-г1у and I think it's a pretty cool movie :)
@@jimbokrummy pretty cool in some way but cruel
@@КонстантинКругляков-г1у if you choose to break free, you will break the fourth wall.
if you really believe in destiny, you must also believe in zodiacs as well.
The first time I saw the title of this video, i thought it said "The Illusion of Free Wifi".
I have "free Wi Fi" and even though my provider offers free house calls, one must pay a one- time fee + office billing at 50 percent off. I chose this provider over several others. Silly point, yes.
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haha !
dude wtf i just found this channel and it’s like if vsauce uploaded regularly i love it
Roasted @Vsauce
Congratulations, you found one of the best channels on RUclips
@@lemonig6155 nah i love vsauce i just wish he had more content to watch
I wouldn't call once every few weeks regularly
A nice video on social media and individuality ruclips.net/video/d97mTNxfn-k/видео.html
10:55 thats what my philo tutor said. Free will was the first topic in the module, my mind was blown after that, the second week was morals and ethics, I asked him, if we don’t have free will why does all of these matter? He told me in order to properly function as a human being/student, I have to “forget”(except for exams) what was taught in the previous week and assume we all have free will lol.
How do you then explain you have the knowledge but consciously decide to set it aside? Maybe our vision of the world and it's laws is not developed enough to explain the complex process of decision-making and what a person really is.
😂😂
Learn to let go of expectations. The answers are found in nothing itself.
@@thatperson2478 its the same thing as "you know its wrong but you do it anyways" type of thing. Like how people know smoking is bad but smoke anyways due to their needs/addiction. We know free will doesn't exist but we pretend we do due to our need to function as a human
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I never had the feeling of having free will. Since I was a kid I knew that I cannot do anything else that what I'm doing. It almost feels like you're a character in a videi game or a book or movie. You make "choices" but in reality choices are made for you and you could not have chosen anything different than what you chose. Even moral choices, like being kind or being loyal are not free choices, at least the way I feel it. I could not cheat on my boyfriend even if I wanted to. There would be something holding me back. And if I did cheat, there would be nothing I could do to stop myself at that moment. It's difficult to explain but I just don't feel like anyone had another choice than what they did, only the illusion of other choices... No matter how many times we rewind the past things are gonna play out exactly how they did...
I think one must know what the human consciousness is first before making conclusions such as this video. Neuroscience as a whole has no clue what the abstract consciousness is. They don't know where it's sourced from, its material or how it works. It's all a toss-up of various ideas and philosophy right now. Whatever it is, it is either not of this world or in the quantum realm of reality. either way, it's a complete mystery.
--What you're saying without actually saying it, is that our subconsciousness is forcing our decisions and we are in a form of auto-pilot mode. While I will grant you that our entire "ego" is nothing but our external experience, I can't grant you that the subconsciousness is literally forcing our choices. It makes more sense that it influences them and we decide based off this influence. Therefore there is still a choice involved.
The reality is clear: we are almost entirely a product of external experience and genetic. BUT...choice is still the last bit of who we are and what we can do.
What are you idiotic people always want to put time travel into the equation you can't time travel therefore you can't go back in time and change decisions you already made that doesn't mean life is fate driven that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
@Ar He 😂
Reflection is truly key. Humanity should dare to look deep within, but it should also accept that more than mere physical Reflection is required for true, celestial enlightenment.
"Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul's fate revealed. In Time, all points converge; hope's strength resteeled. But to earn final peace at the Universe's endless refrain, we must see all in nothingness... before we start again."
🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
--Diamond Dragons (series)
same
Life is like a game of cards. The hand you are dealt is determinism. The way you play it is free will.
Except the way you play is in itself predetermined. The way you play the cards is free choice, not free will, two different concepts.
the way you play is predetermined by the cards, it’s not free will it’s cause and effect
@@AdiMareI understand what you mean in the aspect of since you have been dealt the cards you’ve been dealt, that your choice is limited. But isn’t having the ability to choose, even being dealt a bad deck, still free will? The way you play may be predetermined by the cards, but you still make all of the choices that you make based on what you have. So that would mean that we are between determinism and free will, and I’m asking what you mean by saying that “free choice” and “free will” are different concepts. Is that what you mean?
This is where love for mankind can really come into effect where we show compassion for every singer person, including those we deem 'evil', because they just can't help themselves.
By this reasoning one's choice to love another and have compassion, or to not do so, cannot be helped.
@@soslothful Good point.
@iarguephilosophy U flew past the whole point
@iarguephilosophy U cant choose if u forgive all
Better the honest sinner then the lying hypocrite.
I tell people I can destroy them. They love me for it. Not even joking. People just want to know where they stand.
Since I gave up believing in free will my life has become immensely more settled. I no longer rally against things that go wrong and say "why did that happen" or "who's fault was that". I just deal with it and much more effectively so. Even better, the things that go great in my life I now cherish as a gift, where as in the past I would have been so busy trying to control everything that I might not have noticed the good things when they happened. So that has been my experience. Cheers Pete
@Kaavish Naz yeah if he was an idiot but lucky enough for him he gets to be grateful that he isn’t 😉 there’s beauty in determinism just like there’s beauty in free will. Believe what you want but I think I’d rather accept the truth rather than live in an illusion. I can at least say I didn’t lie to myself
Well done. You're one step closer to being a puppet.
Seems the act of giving up a belief in free will is an act of the will.
Those two destiny is not free will but there's 2 path.
One is where you rally against things that go wrong and say why or who.
You will eventually Make it goes right and know why and know who.
Two is when you just doesn't care and have fun. Thing still goes wrong though, you won't ever find out why or who.
@@CDTyphol exactly
Yeah I realised this some time ago and I think the best way for me is to see it as a story game: It feels like you could make decisiouns and influence what happends, when actually the whole story is already predetermined. But you can still enjoy it and experience this story.
Also it feels kinda releaving in some way if that makes sense.
gods predetermine. behavior is determined by external factors.
KEvron
It's not best to view it like that when the story of your life is just bad no matter what you do, or depressing. My point being, some people will just have miserable lives no matter what they do(not like they have full control of what they do), and that is absolutely sad. It's worse than hell at that point, everyone should be given a chance
Without free will you can have a happy life, but you can't have a meaningful life
My brain likes this, apparently.
Yes, you just experience life, it can be very hard to get ones head around.
One may just choose to stay in bed all day since they feel they aren't controlling anything, but that too is part of the experience one has to go through, so there's a lot of luck involved when it comes to how one views this free will idea if they even think about it at all.
For me, I try and take the best of both worlds, the logical side believes I have no free will just like everyone else (so anger and guilt are reduced), but I'm also human and see the value in pride and things like that which can benefit my life even if technically I'm not deserving of them.
It's kinda impossible to live in that no-freewill world all the time anyway.
"It's all just RNG"
-Dr. K
😭😭😭😭
-Dream
Yessssss
Dr k from changed?
Who am I? Whom are You?
Because everything is predetermined, we should discard intent when administering law. "I know you had no choice. This is why we must isolate you to protect others."
"Police officer, I have a tumor in my brain that's why I acted that way"
The police officer: 👁👄👁
Well punishing you and making an example will keep others from following.
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@@choicethetaurus Pretty cool self promo dude
Well then your brain is going to jail.
He can just beat you up with his baton and say "i dont control my choices, free will is an illusion".
Would you consider your subconscious as yourself?
If you do then that is still you making the decision.
You have no control over your subconscious
@@harshatb8114 that would mean you don't control or could know what your subconscious is doing. Your subconscious could decide to let you make the shots
The subconscious is an "auto response" mechanism built with code or input from your surroundings, interactions and experiences (if this, then that). It's function is to keep you alive. So, IMO, I believe it's part of you but not really "you".
You start having conflict when the subconscious and conscience mind don't "agree". I.e. you know you need to do something but your "heart" says otherwise. So you try to change the data (rationalizing) in order to get the subconscious on board. Or at least that's the thought process that leads me to believe that the two are not one in the same.
Exactly. We can wield the subconsciousness to manifest things into existence, it's just that the majority dosen't know to wield it, nor will learn how to use it, because of their self limiting beliefs.
@@harshatb8114 Wouldn't that mean your subconscious has the free will of its own?
And who is your subconscious?
I like it how despite this heavy topic you were still able to end this video on a positive note, not just for the hack of it, but because it makes sense to do so.
You're comment makes no sense
@Conservative Holocaust I think what I meant was because people may like the idea to be in control, and the illusion of free takes that away. I'm not sure. I don't remember my original comment here.
@conservativeholocaust1019 It’s a bad argument. Impulses exist, yet we can make a decision
@@Nfjfjfjfnffjjfjffj you making a decision is the same when we program an ai to respond to certain prompts. Yes the ai made the decision but ultimately the ai’s decisions can only be made according to what informed its actions which is the equivalent of environment and biology for humans.
@cvnt1 But you were always going to 'make' that decision. When have you ever not done something that you did?
I dont exactly fully understand but I've always lived life based on the idea that the more uncomfortable truths you can accept and be okay with the more knowledgable and grown you will become.
It doesn't matter too much if we have free will or not. Regardless of whether a decision is truly our own, the impact of that decision would carry the same amount of weight. When you make a choice, whether you have control or not, you and those around you will still be impacted. That's my mindset to keep me getting bumbed out when I think about the concept of free will being an illusion
Yes but lets talk about justice we want pedophiles and murderers to ve punished but if theu dont have free will its illogical and they are just as innocent as their victims
@@poutsamouni5483 No, it does not make them innocent - it just gives us understanding. It allows us to possibly understand what may being going 'wrong' in their brains and may provide clues as how to possibly correct that. But it does not take away the consequences for their actions. If someone is a pedophile or commits many murders, they still need to be separated from the rest of us until appropriate changes can be made (if they can be made).
@@leob3447 sure but they dont deserve punishment
@@poutsamouni5483 It's less about punishment and more about protecting others. It's also about breaking societal laws, and currently those laws require certain things as punishment. Not having free will doesn't change anything about how are brains work to make decisions. There are still consequences for our actions.
... i had to read this twice.
i think you are trying to say that you cant be bothered to have the concept of free will affect how you make decisions, because, as you stated, the effects that your decisions have on others is a higher priority to you than... worrying about how you have control over your actions.
i think you stated your opinion very clearly. and i imagine that you might be the type of person that relies on a factual approach that is largely influences by how you think your community or peers would value or judge you.
you probably like to play it safe. go with well tested solutions.
maybe you are the type to not be wishy washy. you like to decide. is this thing ok, or not? and move on.
just a guess. i found how you answered interesting.
It's a Fallacy of False Dilemma to say that people either have free will, or they don't. Because such an idea excludes a third possibility of having some free will within constraints and limitations. When you exclude this third possibility without any justification or explanation, then this is a mistake in thinking and in logic. And this is a mistake this video makes.
People are limited and constrained by their biological and psychological needs and wants. But within these constraints, people have some freedom of choice.
When I make a conscious choice whether to eat a banana or an apple, then I choose between my feelings about the banana and the apple. So, I need to become aware of my feelings, before I can make my choice. And if you can measure my feelings faster than I can become aware of them, then you can predict my choice from these feelings.
But this doesn't mean that I have no free will. It just means that I think with my feelings, and my brain processing is slow enough that you can measure my feelings faster with electronic equipment, than my brain can measure these feelings and become aware of them. This is evidence of slow information processing in the brain, rather than evidence for determinism and lack of free will.
Amazing rebuttal... I concur with you.
The issue that determinism presents isn’t that our desires our out of our control but that even our most basic decisions aren’t really our own, but the result of multiple predetermined physical processes. Even your emotions are just electric signals in your brain which are predetermined by the laws of physics.
My apologies, but you have third option that states, that you have some form of free will and it is "the illusion of free will"
And let me explain with an example:
If you are inside a simulation from the beginning of your life. How you gonna know that this is not the real world but a simulation?
Now we can say that if a third party member tells you that you are in such situation. Of course then one will refuse such statement even if you show them the out side, because it will cause an existential threat for the self. Yet if one endure such stress upon his being, it can choose:
1. To preserve the old self and to return to the simulation by saying that "This was just a dream."
2. To accept the two forms of reality and merge them for his benefit.
3. To leave the simulation and deny the old self to create a new one.
Remark: Third option is expensive in terms of energy, time and stress. I don't recommend it. Yet it is interesting to explore if you have the Will. :D
Ps. I consider myself, between option 2 and 3. And by that I gave you in between option so overall 4 options. ^_^
@@duder6387 I understand that. However, this premise is faulty in that it ignores the influence of true randomness at the subatomic level which destroys the whole presupposition of determinism making everything predictable by analyzing all physical processes.
@@duder6387 I am not disagreeing with that. My issue is with the fact that the existence of random physical motion and activity at the subatomic makes complete determinism impossible. I am attacking the very root of determinism.
We are all willing to believe the lies that keep us sane. Accepting reality is too mentally stressful for people to cope. That's why we pretend to have morals to each other and ourselves when we accept cruel actions instead all the time.
The entire world is a joke.
I just have to figure out how to not care anymore.
🤔 Indeed. Do you also accept that others care about you not caring? Such a pity that those deluded people become fire prevention staff, health staff and police officers. Even worse are the mentally disturbed volunteers who serve the RNLI at times of great danger. Include members of the British Red Cross and St John / St Andrew Ambulance, Mountain Rescue, MsF, SARDA dog teams, Lifeguards and others you may wish to add at your leisure. Humanitarianism is a dead concept in your dystopian universe. Have a miserable day on me at no cost 😖.
@@sirmeowthelibrarycat wow, what a great rhetorical speech! Now I'm a humanitarian!
We don't really pretend to have morals. As a social group, humans through cooperation have become what they are. Morals are just what promotes well being within a group simply. We define morality as wellbeing.... At least that's what makes sense.
Also, while free will may not be a thing that only lends us runway to sympathise and understand ourselves. Crime seems to be a hot topic on this so Maybe punishment should turn to rehabilitation in our justice system
You’re right but not as much my case and that’s why I have some depression phases! Overthinking is killing my motivation in life sometimes.
Yup
Maybe everything is predetermined, but we simply can’t afford to live based on this idea.
Maybe the fact that we can’t afford it is predetermined too
If things are predetermined, then we are forced to live by that reality. The question is whether predeterminism is the way reality operates.
Not predertermined. More based on encounters on a moment to moment bases. New information changes peoples minds. Wherever they're aware of it or not.
Most often, not.
Great video. Aperture and The Exoplanets Channel are my favorite channels!!
What kind of vids does exoplanets make?
Stop spamming that exoplanets channel
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@@choicethetaurus Not to bad actually
Thanks for the channel suggestion
No, false, all it proves is that the brain (which for all intents and purposes is you) simulates the action before you do it. Before you speak to someone, you simulate your words in your head before you speak. Your brain activity just shows that you're thinking, that you're thinking about speaking, and that you're selecting the order of the words you're going to use. Nowhere does that suggest that you aren't the one deciding what to say or not choosing the order.
This is useful because while climbing a tree you have to look at the tree and then your brain simulates you climbing the tree and simulating the path. You already know you want to climb a tree, you're selecting which tree to climb and you are simulating the path, which often times you have to deviate a little bit. As you climb you look up and you further simulate the possibilities of what you can do to continue climbing. We have free will, the fallacy is you are separating your brain from 'you' which is impossible because your consciousness and subconscious are linked, they are both you.
@@Zeuswashington because most people don't like truth lol
He is Wikipedia learner..
Underrated!
I would go further. My self is in fact much broader than merely my current conscious awareness. It includes everything in my body, but also my possessions, my family, my friends, my language, my culture, my job, etc.
@@brianmacker1288 there is a reason they say you are the the sum of your five closest friends
When someone says "we don't have free wil"l, most people think they're saying "you can't do whatever you want", when the reality is that we can *only* do what we want. We are forced to only to do what we want. This is what making a decision means. But we don't control what we want. Our wants and desires are not something we choose ourselves. So if we are limited to literally only do what we want, but we don't control what we want, where is the free will?
Free will is that you can do what you want and not what somebody else wants. Free will is the decision being made inside you and not somewhere else, regardless of past experiences and environments that shaped your decision.
@@mikiimiki9182you're referring to autonomous/libertarian free will, the notion that a person can do whatever they want without and internal or external constraints.
I gather this isn't a theological channel but I'll give my 2 cents anyways (from a theological perspective), I believe that the human is bound by his nature (not unlike a wolf or rabbit) and will always act in accordance to his nature.
The Bible makes numerous references to one being enslaved to his sin, being a child of wrath from birth, being dead in his sins.
The guy narrating is on the right track when he dispels the notion of autonomous free will; this especially does not comport with an all powerful omniscient God.
@@jtbtdlkt2012 can you refer me to some passages thanks
The whole thing about decisions being readable in the subconscious 300ms before we "actually" make them is one I've heard before and I don't buy it as evidence against free will: Perhaps the act of making a choice is free, but it isn't instantaneous --- it just takes 300ms to "complete", and the MRI is just able to detect the start of the process
I think the same. I do believe there are limits to how free a choice actually is. For instance, you cant make a choice that logic prevents. You cant chose to be a bachelor and get married for instance.
I just borrowed a piece of what you've written in my recent comment, because you put it better than I ever could have done. Hope you don't mind :-)
@@martinwest2538 Of course not, I'm a bit honored :) (Also, we have the same last name, so we're probably long-lost cousins at least!)
@@eunomiac No, I'm sorry to say MW is only my "artist name", my pseudonym, a derivation from my real name though :/
@@johncouch9062 actually, free will isn't bound by anything, thoughts, emotion, logic and reason, right and wrong. That is the point of the "free" part in free will.
This is true & bizarrely I found out through taking 3 grams of psilocybin mushrooms. During the trip I would receive the answer to a question just as I was about to ask it. It was weirdly funny but I understood that we already know everything there is to know at the level of Super consciousness or the ultimate self. Everything that’s exists is YOU, but the ONE cannot experience itself so breaks itself into infinite particles ( in our case bodies) & lowers its vibration in order to create what we think is reality & in turn we think of ourselves as individuals which in turn creates the ego. What we think of as free will is an illusion because ultimately everything that has ever happened or will happen is already known, but needs to be experienced.
" Free will " is an oxymoron.. "Where there's will there's no freedom and where there's freedom there's no will" ~ Swami Vivekananda
Can this be supported?
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Free Will does not exist at the level of physics, but within the self model of a decision making agent. It is the representation that the agent is acting under uncertainty and makes a decision for the first time, which means it cannot yet be predicted by the agent.
@@glenncater1 Fun Fact: All your life activities are governed by Physics 😉
yes you are correct. all our physical activities are governed by physics. very good. you were in school that day when they taught you that. but consciousness is not a physical act. it doesn't follow any physical laws !! you must have missed that day with the flu !! @@AdvaiticOneness1
Edit- I'm not being a hater and do not spread hate please I repeat do not spread hate in the comments please 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Now after watching this, I'm questioning myself about the reality of Life
I regret making the decision to watch this video cause even though I like questions and questioning, I just hate this sort of philosophical things that makes me question my own existence, morality,decisions, what's real what's not and life
By the way I'm not being a hater by saying all this I'm just presenting my opinion
Have a great day
Actually I agree with you because this sort of stuff is just nonsense. Because people assume rationaliny to even come to the conclusion of determinism- because if determinism is true there is no real reason, our thoughts are just the products of our atoms. The guy is even using debunked and unproven experiments.
Wait until you learn about the illusion of self
I love this video, and I also have other perspectives on the topic.
I think Free Will is not the Illusion. It is just that we lack of consciousness and/or are influenced by something that is stronger than our commitments.
That’s why we unconsciously choose something before we are conscious of making that decision, and/or change our decisions when something stronger than our commitments influences us.
Yes, there are some things that were predetermined in our lives, but how and what we make out of it that matters. And it’s called Free Will.
In fact being a result of everything you’ve lived does not mean that your are not real. I argue that your conscious, your awareness of existing makes you real. You’re not self-made, you’re a result, so what ? If you don’t like who you are, you can still change. Even if the envie of changing is not created by you, it will still be pleasing to accomplish. It’s not your choice because it’s a happening, tho it’s still who you are. Don’t think to much, don’t care to much. As cringe as it sounds, just be happy and proud
so, according to this video, putting aside abnormal people for a while, we can assume that, our subconscious is what controls us, it makes all the decisions for us, speaking, moving, thinking, you name it........ so, in a way we act for our subconscious, we speak for it, we think for it...... it means we are just a mode of execution for our subconscious, OR we are our subconscious. OR I could say that we control it..... but if we control it then how can we call it sub-conscious....... maybe its just a way of saying that someone else inside of us is making all the decisions for us..... or its just a part of the body that does the thinking part and the bones and muscles etc are the acting parts..... see where i'm going with this, is anyone with me?
I've discussed this with my dad before randomly and we both just agreed that we have free will within our physical limitations. (I know that technically means it's not free will but it is, because you can't control the cards you're dealt but you can play that hand of cards however you choose within those restraints.
I love this video, and I also have other perspectives on the topic.
I think Free Will is not the Illusion. It is just that we lack of consciousness and/or are influenced by something that is stronger than our commitments.
That’s why we unconsciously choose something before we are conscious of making that decision, and/or change our decisions when something stronger than our commitments influences us.
Yes, there are some things that were predetermined in our lives, but how and what we make out of it that matters. And it’s called Free Will.
@@naihengsok8078 indeed
I agree
The "physical limitations" issue is instantly solved if you consider the system as "the observable universe" instead of simply the things your eye can see
Basically Maxwell's Daemon scenario
Its the part "who is going to save another person's life if they won't get praised for it" that nailed my 'decision' not to believe we don't have free will... to a great extent I think we make our own choices within the limits as you have stated.
I've struggled with free will vs. determination for my whole adult life. It's hard.
The waking up app has helped me alot with it, if you haven't heard of it or tried it
Hard, yes, but if you look into it you will see that determinism is self-refuting. If it's true, there is no reason to believe that it is ! Because there's no reason to believe or disbelieve ANYTHING if we have no control over own thinking or choices !
@@CarlMCole I understand you, but I feel like you could analyze more because so far you think that your thoughts come out of nowhere and that everything you know and have learned or could learn, your environment, your culture, your biology, haven't influenced or will influence your decisions, and that is contradictory and also false. Although from a deterministic perspective, it is considered that you feel like you are making a decision, but it would only be an illusion since there are inevitable causes and effects. There are many reasons why you are like this, you see people ugly, beautiful, intelligent, stupid, sick, etc. That's determinism, there is no freedom of choice in any sense, that's just how the world works, simply what can be.
@@CarlMColeat the very least, we strive to be self aware. Aware that our choices are more of instincts and by continuously doing it, we reprogram our subconscious (or at least it appear to be).
@@CarlMCole That doesn't make sense. Basically all you said is that you don't like the idea of determinism. Whether you can personally find meaning in life without free will is irrelevant to whether or not it actually exists. One way to think about determinism: You may choose what you will, but you cannot change your will itself, because you cannot control the type of brain wiring, genetics, and environment you have. If you have free will, go choose to change your sexual orientation, go choose to like a food you dislike, and go choose to punch an innocent old woman on the street. Your brain is not wired to do those things, meaning you will never do them, so you don't have free will.
My brother had bad anger issues and temper for many years, then discovered a brain tumor that was successfully removed. Not one anger episode since it was removed. Wild!
I think about this all the time. Im only 10 seconds into the video but i always think about how if an advanced life existed near us they would view our 'free will' the same as we view a rock rolling down a slope. Predictable.
The analogy is great, but I think anything that advanced wouldn't exist without ever realizing they aren't real so they wouldn't mind gettting wiped out because of planetary catastrophe.
A rock, and forces acting on it do not have volition. But then, volition is the issue here.
@@soslothful and?
@@Empire_JeSzO The comparison to a rock seems a category error. A rock on a slope does not have any decision making possibility about rolling or the course the roll will take. This video places humans and decision our decision making in the same category. This may be an error.
@@soslothful The only way the analogy wouldn't work is if conscious thought doesn't follow the laws of physics as we understand them. And all evidence we have, suggest that it does.
4:59 Some people don't have free will, and all people's free will is somewhat limited, but most people still have some degree of free will. That means our thoughts and actions aren't just chemical reactions of outside events. Saying that some people don't have free will on some issues means that free will doesn't exist at all isn't a logical conclusion, it's like saying everyone is sick because some people are sick and nobody is perfectly healthy.
That's just one part of the free will debate. Another argument is that you simply cannot choose what you want. Your desires are never in your control. Could you explain why you prefer vanilla icecream over chocolate? Could you choose to change your likes and dislikes? Your desires are what give you drive to do things in the world. Some people are less fortunate than others and don't have any desires at all, or just do not have the willpower to complete their desires.
Stupid argument
@@braydenjonsson9067 ictoan.. free will means choice... not choose.. theres many options say pick one and you limit your free will when you could go to another aisle and pick a pear
@@manuelvallejo456 what
@ictoan bullshit
Just because you’re not aware of your decision doesn’t mean it’s not your own decision. We do have free will. We just lack a conscious that can keep up…
50% determinism+50% free will =human life.
Nope. You were always going to say that. You said it, didn't you?
1:50 why have I never thought of cutting a banana like that
ikr i always cut down with the knife when its safer to push the banana down on the knife.
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Yeah wtf imma start doing that now.
Not a bad way of cutting a banana tbh, I might start doing it.
Free will in a world of controlled choices. If you like something you cant always get it and if you dont like something you cant always just will it away. There never was free will.
You do have free will, if you choose to go against the so called controlled choices, I think some things are controlled due to morality being in place, without morality we would just be animals who act on impulse without thinking about consequences, and thinking things through animals are stupid humans are smart were able to freely choose anything we want even if it goes against the norm.
If you like something, you can't always get it, and you make the choice of accepting that and moving on, or you make the choice of pursuing what you can't get.
If you don't like something, you make the choice of trying to will it away, or you make the choice of accepting that there's things on this earth that you do not like, nonetheless will stay.
Free Will. And the above comments is correct, there are certain "controlled choices," because there are moral elements in them that keep us from becoming savages/animals. Either way, you still have the free will to go against moral values. So the "controlled" choices are really just wisdom/advice on what you should do objectively, doesn't mean you don't have the free will to reject that moral wisdom/advice.
@@chrisvalenzuela7911 well when I say controlled choices I am speaking on the modern age of today and the powers that be also having nearly monopolized suggestions in general leading to this controlled choice world where we have a simple lotion but we also have hundreds of lotions to choose from let alone the other pointless time consuming decisions that are just variants of one thing. We cant say if we had free will we can get a new car because we cant be certain a car would be a vehicle with free choice. Maybe we find another way to transport individually instead of coming to a general census of what vehicle we will use or if we would even use vehicles or travel. There are too many pre planned choices let alone the parenting hamster wheel of trusting your child to the modern age so many parents give their children little to no knowledge about the world and then shower them with gifts even when they dont deserve any, then the children grow up and the family is divided. And you are correct, there are good morals and lessons to find wisdom in. But the world is against natural goodness. People are fighting against it but people are also giving into it. Im not saying there is no free will, Im just saying here on earth everything is nearly controlled. Everyone is basically given a potential life profile based on stats.
In the end you reap what you sow.
@@nightlee627 and thats something no one can run from, also it is good to stay from judging someone harshly or you could be judging yourself.
Aperture, you're the best person ever. I freaking love you man please never stop sharing these videos😭
According to this vid that was not said at your free will.
@@asheerreed380 Furthermore, Aperture would be the best by no prideful effort of his own
Just because the decision can be predicted doesn't mean you didn't choose to make the decision. Whether or not we have free will comes down to whether or not there was something from the very beginning that chose every decision for everything, which cannot be proven.
Just add butterfly effect to this concept.
Our actions are also determined by millions of other events that occurred before we made a decision.
Thanks for such enlightening, scary yet much needed video.
Free Will does not exist at the level of physics, but within the self model of a decision making agent. It is the representation that the agent is acting under uncertainty and makes a decision for the first time, which means it cannot yet be predicted by the agent.
This hurts my brain in such a good way lol
When you ponder over things and the consequences it may bring, you are conciously aware of everything and therefore consciousness preceeds the subconscious in the actions that will be done.
I have been thinking about this as well for years now! I actually had an argument about this with my friend the other day,
and I told him that Free will is an Illusion. Just like how a number generator thinks of numbers, which is called a 'Pseudorandom number generator."
I had one question for my friend, to prove that free will is just an illusion, I asked him, "let's say a man born in a tribe then was taught that killing another human is good and feeds his god,
and to lose fate in this belief would cause death for him and amongst his family. So then, after years of fate, he stumbles upon another human. Will he kill the man or not?"
Do you see where I'm going with this, right? Another study showed that a pianist's brain will play the sequence of movements of the fingers to play the piano.
Before, the Pianist even has the will to play the piano. But then still, my friend refuses to agree with me, so I represented him with another question "if I stab you with a burning knife, would you scream?" He laughed then said, "of course, because it would hurt" Then I asked him, "was it you decided that it hurt? but it was your nerves that sent the signals to your spine, then your brain telling you that it hurt and return you start screaming subconsciously." so please tell explain to me why is "free will" not an illusion. At that point, he had nothing else to say.
im that friend
I get your point on your first few sentences but i don't think theirs a reason for saying "if I stab you with a burning knife, would you scream?" of course the answer is yes. it almost sounds as if your friend and you are arguing about which food is better, popcorn or ice cream, and you think it's ice cream. but your friend says he likes popcorn, so you ask the question, "can food taste good?" so he replies with yes and then you conclude by saying you're correct. theres just no basic correlation. can you enlighten us about this?
@@pickelsandradishihatemylif6425 my point of saying "if I stab you with a burning knife, would you scream?" and obviously the answer would be yes.
But we have to see why we screamed in the first place. Just like when a doctor bonks your knee joint/funny bone, it causes you to tick;
signals get sent to your brain, then correspondingly, it will react to what it's presented. So if you give your brain pain, it will cause a human to react indecisively with pain.
you may ask me, "what's the point of this?" Can you tell me what the definition of free will is? here I'll give it to you
free will
/ˌfrē ˈwil/
"Free will, in humans, the power or capacity to choose among alternatives or to act in certain situations independently of natural, social, or divine restraints."
"the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion."
you said
"decision, according to certain circumstances, you come into a conclusion that you think is best for you, on a minimal or a huge scale."
Knowing that everything in this universe is predetermined isn't much like free will's definition, isn't it?
@@Taco_Burrito39 im not reading all that but i get your point now thanks
@@pickelsandradishihatemylif6425 NooOooo you can't do me like that I took so long typing that muahahaha
Nothing is absolute determined nor absolute free will. It's more of in-between.
Yes that dude saying that all of our actions
is predetermined
Baseless claim. It is without doubt determined
If that helps you sleep at night..
@@AJ-nd4nkExactly, there is no reason to believe in free will this person is just frightened.
@@iwatchyoutube202they said in between,it's either you're half witted or completely biased.
A lot of people need to see this, thank you.
Nope, like the video said, not everyone should know about it
@@shubhangjain9 I agree it could cause so much damage
@@giannisisntreal1680 Only because not everyone is mentally ready for it.
@@shubhangjain9 The whole point is that you can’t prevent one party from sharing it to another. It is determined and bound to happen anyways.
It should reachmore people because then they will learn to respect each other's povs
It shouldn't reach more coz not everyone will react to it like me and you many will react negatively....
And it won't be their fault..
In a way, I've already thought about this, but instead of feeling helpless, it made me more curious as to what the purpose of life really is. Why are we all here? What is supposed to be accomplished? I'm fine with the fact I have no choice in my decisions because at the very least my brain doesn't tell me to do horrible things. You've put some of what I've thought into much more understandable words.
Probably is no purpose, things just are
@@DaP84 Maybe but I'm not entirely opposed to there being a greater being.
@@AD-pd5tj same, kinda agnostic. I'm still open to the idea, but very sceptic
@@DaP84 I believe we are someones Science project ) Someone just created us to observe that how a civilization progresses )
Look into linguistics and semantics. Words are just definitions to concepts that we give meaning to innately as humans. There doesn't need to be why, as to even why wouldn't make sense to ask.
"Your brain makes the decision for you"???
😆🤣🤣
Your brain IS a part of you.
Your brain is you. There is no you beyond the brain.
@@jtw79 and no brain without the rest of you. 😂
your brain has a lot of working parts they might be conflicting each other and filtering each other like a judicial body or form of government
not every part works in unison
9:40 He does deserve praise, not because of some moral idea, but because we want to encourage more of that behavior from more people.
2:15
"Your brain has decided what you'll do"
The thing is, The brain is mine, I am the brain, and what the brain decided is what I decided because it's me, how is that an illusion if I was the one who decided it?
Your subconscious is a part of you, making it *you* who decided to choose between the banana and the apple, this doesn't make any sense.
We are talking about ego here. your ego doesnt decide anything.
@@lorissupportguides my ego tells me what I had decided, but it's still what I had decided
@@typhonicussr yes but you had as much controll over that as you have over your heart beating
@@lorissupportguides it doesn't make sense, how can *you* not have control over *you*
@@typhonicussr if you have free will you can decide what you want and you cant.
As someone who has studied neuropsychological here are my thoughts on the subject. Thoughts are not always a choice. All animals have chemicals that create automatic response to stimulus like “fight or flight” however are choice after those stimulus or maybe even before are our own. Example being that the doctor with the tumor who started having thoughts of pedophilia, he may not have been able to control the thought of hurting a child but he had the choice to act on those thoughts. He could of had the thought and immediately sought help, told a therapist particularly someone with a medical background should of know that something wasn’t right. I have ADHD and can be prone to thoughts of violence as a result of emotional stimulus I may not always be able to control the thought of punching the kid whose kicking my seat on the plane however I am in control of what I do with those thoughts. I may have to meditate before I get in a situation that will anger me of course I may have to walk away. Everyone is capable of neuro plasticity we can change our automatic response to things with time and practice and unfortunately accountability. If their is no accountability their is no reinforcement to change if we just succumb to the idea that we as people are just are genetics we would of never evolved to what we are now and what we can be.
An it really undermines people who have gotten better from treatment despite background and history. Is it much hard for some then others absolutely.. is it impossible for anyone no.
Exactly, how can it be free will if a simple chemical inbalance in the brain can completly change who you are? That alone makes me think we don't have free will.
@@Phillip-e4m you may not always have control of your thoughts. But you have control of how you react to those thoughts.
@@Pankleb1313 Sometimes, but even then the control u think you have is just chemicals in the brain.
There is no evidence that a simple chemical imbalance can "completely change who you are". I've used all kinds of drugs and all of them effected me, but none of them changed who I AM as a person. @@Phillip-e4m
@@Pankleb1313you don't. You just think you do
if free will doesn't exist it kinda breaks the idea of parallel universe, schrodinger's cat where it is alive and dead but it is not alive and dead because it can pre determined
Schrodinger: I don't know if the cat is dead or alive until I watch inside the box.
The cat: miaow
Schrodinger: shut up
"of a parallel universe" then you're putting those rules on terms that don't exist on our own universe.
@@Taco_Burrito39 bruh no
@@nalat1suket4nk0 how so?
It's crazy i started to have alot of these ideas. Nice to find a video that talks about this in more detail "- You are so strong minded cause you choose to workout so frequently - I'm not really choosing to, I'm just doing what my genes were programmed to do" and also it's easier to feel for people that can't seem to start making the decisions to lose weight for example, it simply might not be in their toolbox to do so. The same way an addict might need to be forced into rehab since "free will" wont allow the person to stop otherwise. It's more like our consciousness let us experience life but not control it.
The only undeniably true thing said in this video is sad at 10:50. "Every decision is yours completely".
What's said shortly before is false. Do not "forget everything I said for those past 10 minutes."
All those things said that are born from an incredible progress of human advancement of observe the natural world they themselves are part of, and our ability to explain it. Simply never forget that those explanations are models born from the natural world, and therefor can never fully understand it. If you think differently you're fundamentally mistaken about what science is.
Therefor if you experience free will (and every healthy human does, and understand that you should believe free will, then no logical human could ever use science to argue against the existence of it.
If it helps Our best science observes an acceleration of the expansion of the universe, but is fundamentally unable of explain that. Unexplained phenomena in science are the rule, not the exception.
Science can only disproof free will if you use your free will to choose to do so. As a far wiser and healthier choice, you also have the freedom to treat free will as yet another unexplained phenomena.
yeah, learned this the hard way when my dad told me "You don't actually make yourself. You never had. The only "You" you see now is actually based on things beside you like the environment you live in. Those little things turn into big things and they go inside your head. If you've ever thought you made a decision by your free will, it's not you. It's the little things that turned into a big thing." He didn't really say that but it was like an hour long lecture of how I was living in the illusion of control my entire life. He also said this goes the same for everybody and that there is no such thing as original.
10:00 onwards made me smile. If the illusion helps others and provides the best way to live be aware of the illusion but embrace it
It's the absence of free will that is an illusion. Don't you see that even saying "embrace it" is meaningless if people DON'T have a CHOICE whether they embrace it or not ?
The problem with determinism is that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle puts enough uncertainty into the whole thing, that the answer is a lot less black and white regarding free will.
bro more shower thoughts,love that series
Investing your time and effort in activities and investments that will yield a profitable return in the future is what we should be aiming for.
You can say that again. 👍
I have achieved many things, since I started investing. It's a great example people should follow.
What kind of business, or investment would you two motivational speakers suggest to your audience.
@@chloemorello1680 Anyways, I'm into real estate investing.
Real estate investment lets people grow their net worth by amassing more properties. Its a good long term investment due to appreciation.
This is word salad, free will is making a choice. If you don't think you can change think again.
He also says- alcohol and drugs can’t change your behavior- WTF? 4:00
@@kateskeysare you stupid?😂 turn on subtitles and listen again in context
“Word salad” you just do not understand 😂 free will is not just making a choice it is the idea that you are freely in limitless control of all choices you make therefore making you responsible for them. You can change but it isn’t up to you nor are any of your other choices
Thank you, now I fell powerless
This information is not making you powerless
This is giving you power to make more perfect moves
How????@@Void_from_Abyss
Based on Carl Jung’s concept of the self, we could instead think of it like we are a combination of our conscious brain (the 5% of the brain that interacts directly with the environment, otherwise known as the ego) and the subconscious or “shadow”, the other 95% of our brain that is less knowable but still interacts with the ego. Our “self” is not just our conscious brain, but is instead all the many parts of the brain that govern our thoughts, feelings and actions. So free will may be a myth, but will is not.
If you don't believe in the power of the external and the internal factors (which is also backed up by science), then you must admit that some people are born with a "soul" somewhere between fundamentally good and fundamentally bad. Randomness kicks in in this case too, so free will still doesn't work. If you don't believe in any of these idea, you would need to find a third explanation of why some people do bad choices whilst others not.
@@inwursu1924 I will ask what you consider as bad choices or good choices? Who made the rules?
On the contrary our self is not the conscious brain at all. If you meditate, you observe your thoughts, emotions and senses as external stimuli- they are not you. The "you" inside you is not your ego like your conciousness is. Your subconcious projects who you are through conciousness and your biases made from that.
If you stripped your ego away you'd find we are all exactly the same. The one thing every single human has in common is that they are the center of their own universe experiencing phenomena of the nervous system. What we think of ourselves is only a fabrication of our ego and nothing more.
What you're referring to as the "other 95%" is the ID.
the ID is the subconsciousness. ID is who we actually are, it influences the EGO. the EGO is completely built off external subjective experience.
The argument against free-will is weak and unfounded. Thus far there have been a number of peer-reviewed papers attacking it. To just go out and say that humans don't have free will is an act of blind faith. The reality is, the ID INFLUENCES our thoughts, it doesn't FORCE our thoughts.
@@MarsXInvictus yes, the EGO is only built off external subjective experience and nothing more. It is no more unique than where you were born or from.
The ID is who you are. It is what makes you...different than everyone else.
the free-will debate is unfounded, to just go out and say we can't choose is an act of blind faith.
Just want to point out free will and randomness is completely different topic should not be mixed. If i am not forced to choose some thing them its a free will it do not need to be random.
That's the point. Are you actually not forced? If you made a choice not random, is it really your choice or no more than a predetermined outcome of the environment and physical laws?
@@MrNicePotato I think most of the time it is predetermined or forced according to aperture but that does not mean everything ever happened or will happen is predetermined... maybe
Then when our choices are affected by other people, friends or parents for example telling us what we should do which may not be what we was actually planning to do and end up doing what they told us to do, doesn't this mean our choices weren't actually all written from the beginning?
Other people got influenced by other people into telling what you should do that make you got influence into making that only choice. Guess it's written from the beginning.
Not all choices have to be fulfilled and that could've been written in your destiny.
@margad-erdeneamgalanbaatar5028
But you were always going to fulfill the ones you did.
They are not all written from the beginning. You DO have free will. Did you not CHOOSE to watch this video ? Of course you did ! ....Don't believe that half baked philosophy you heard in this video !
@@CarlMCole That's not half baked at all. What he's saying is that the subconscious affects your conscious mind and most people aren't aware of things hidden in the subconscious.
So, Free will might not exist and we have to ignore it in order to live like the way of illusionism.
Like the description
In 10:01
"Although free will is an illusion, it's one that we must keep up with. Because faced with the choice between truth and good, it benefits most of us to always choose good.
That's because truth can change everything upside down (including morality) of what we've known."
Also In 6:41
" Desire, much like choice, comes from the subconscious. So a conscious effort to shape your subconscious is actually a subconscious effort to change your subconscious."
Also like that part where Aperture tried to make us forget about everything he said in past ten minutes in order to avoid confusion 10:48
I don’t agree with determinism since it is possible for events to have been different, for example quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics scared many physicists because it meant that the universe didn’t run like clockwork and that they could never predict the future with complete accuracy. With that in mind I still don’t believe we have free will since what we call “I” is ultimately not in control of its decisions, it doesn’t matter if quantum mechanics is random it still doesn’t mean we have the ability to choose our decisions it was still determined by forces outside our control. Many physicists are trying to show that quantum events occur in the brain, as if that proves free will. Even if the processes in our brain were random it would just mean that they are random not that we are free or in control. Although it has also been argued that our sense of self is another illusion and therefore the very idea of free will is impossible.
Also great video, another mind bending philosophy is philosophical skepticism in the vein of the Phyrronians, Descartes, and Hume.
I like what you said about the random cause or deductible cause of any action, choice,… although I’m not able to understand how quantum mechanics could have any impact on the initial idea that is stated in this video. I understand this main concept as « everything you’ve lived plus your genetic heritage equals who you are at this very moment ». My knowledge in physics is not that good and, with the bit I have, I can’t find the link. If you’d like to help, I’d enjoy a hint so I could know where to begin to dig 😇
The fact quantum mechanics knows pure randomness (continuous evolution through the schrodinger equation) doesn’t mean Newton’s second law is not true. Ie. Microscopic randomness exists but a falling apple will still fall and not suddenly go up, similarly there might be randomness in our Brains but macroscopic subconscious decisions will play out the same.
@@diegoweidemann I'm not sure if Im fully able to explain what he means but I'll do my best.
One of the ways to rule out free will is to prove that everything that happens is directly influenced by everything that caused it and that it couldn't have gone any other way, this means that if you were able to pause the universe and measure everything about everything, you'd be able to predict with 100% accuracy how the universe would look in 1year, or 10years or pretty much as long as you'd want.
In order for this to be true, we would have to live in a world without true randomness, events that cannot be predicted. Quantum mechanics, however, introduce probability into the core of physics and allows for true randomness to exist. This doesn't prove free will exist, only that, if the above explanation is correct, hard determinism doesnt exists and free will could exist.
I'm not a physics expert though and I think I read something about how different interpretations of quantum mechanics react to determinism. If anyone can add anything please say because I'm also curious.
@@ledaros6348 thanks, I can see where he was going now
@@Luukolas The strong free will theorem by John H Conway. I think this deserves more recognition, hence mentioning it here.
It's funny how anything can be taken as a fact aslong as it's masked with the word "science" and preceded with the phrase "accordingly to this research".
Sure, but you can also take to the internet and claim your disbelief without consequence. In the past if you did so with the revealed truth provided by religion you would be put to death for your heresy. What I like about science is that if you get your math wrong or your experiment is flawed, your peers will drag your career through the mud and bury your reputation as a scientist.
Yes, indeed ! Determinism is an easily refuted philosophy, but people are willing to buy into it because they are (falsely) labelling it "science"
The communists in China and Russia claimed to base their Marxist ideas in science-----and murdered a thousand times more dissenters than religious believers ever did ! @@vincentcain5880
And It all made u read this comment
If we don’t truly have free will, then we need to hold strong attitudes because attitudes will have the strongest effect on our behaviour. If our attitude, an attitude that we truly accept within ourselves, is that we must be productive (for example), we will act in that way. Hold strong attitudes! Strong attitudes like “I will not let negative emotions affect me for longer than a few seconds until I take my attention off the emotion” will help you in many ways.
If you don't have free will your attitudes are not your own choice !
We ARE at the mercy of the universe and we ARE powerless. If you say "We don't have to fall into the same trap" then you're still putting free will into the equation. Some people are just luckier that they responded to this idea better than others. Everyone who rejects free will can never get away from fatalism.
seems like your genes are bad
🤔🧐📋 interesting.
If you say "we don't have to" that means there is a choice and thus there is a will that decides what to choose.
@@thatperson2478 what choices
This sounds like we're constantly on autopilot
Try to control your breathing.
😂 If you're not on autopilot
You would probably die.
The brain is a great factory.
Allowing you to communicate with your body and your own mind to create plans for the future.
Autopilot is just being not self aware. Your subconscious controls things like breathing
In that case if true the guilt is BS and being lethargic sociopath is healthy and life has no sense yey : )
We kind of are.
Funny cuz we can CHOOSE to stay on autopilot and choose to focus. Sounds like he's basing his whole idea of free will on our subconscious, when in reality there is so much more that takes place. Where is the soul or consciousness in all this? Man fr made a whole video to cope wtf
Does that mean religion is a joke? That we are all pawns controlled by something greater, such as memes (also known as the "DNA of the soul")?
Now there's a pretty meme. Exquisite!
These scientism adherents and extremists always say that
"Your brain tricks YOU that you have freewill."
If this is true then the brain and the YOU are seperate. As there is a trickster and the one that is tricked. The brain (mental) and YOU (consciousness, soul, etc) are connected but seperate at the same time.
*You took away my free will by giving me a choice to continue living in that thought.*
If you shouldn't praise the successful then why should you sympathize for the poor? That seems biased if free will eliminates praise or blame for anything
Duh, cuz one is not dying of hunger and that could be you. The rich person don't deserve praise as the homeless don't deserve shame. You completely missed the point with your question, read it again and see if you realize it. I mean, it's not up to you
People have a hard time understanding that consciousness and free will are emergent properties of our complex neural structures and chemistry. Everything is determined, down to the picosecond. We are just playing out the course in time. It's not depressing. It's fascinating and can be very empowering.
Wdym? Lol that your future is fixed? That some people are destined to be average? Its a shitty excuse used by lazy ppl
@@grimsobad8545 thats not what he meant, he never predicted the future so no one knows what a person will end up achieving or not achieving. Thats totally upto the individual but no matter what he does we can deduce it was predetermined after it has happened. Like go back in time taking into account every neuron that has ever been fired in his brain at that particular moment, in that particular time with that particular outcome because of particular stimulus, which itself was predetermined
Exactly!! I find it so sad that so many people don't understand the full scope of what this means.
Having no free will frees us from the arrogance of everything being your fault. It's humbling. It fosters humility.
Just like when you watch a tree or an ant or a star... It's absolutely fascinating to see it's life play out. And you know it's going to play out based on however it's environment, internal mechanisms, and a million other things dictate that it will play out. But you still have no idea exactly how it will all happen.
By accepting that you have no free will, it allows us to better appreciate all of the factors in our lives that lead us to where we are now. Time itself is an illusion created by our becoming aware of causality. Everything that will happen, has happened and is happening right now.
Our existence is the self awareness of all of that playing out. The more we can become aware of it all, the more we can enjoy the journey.
I wish more people could appreciate that because the world would feel so much more wondereous because of it.
@@elijahclaude3413 determinism will destroy society
@@elijahclaude3413 i cudnt have said it better, partly because English is not my first language 😂
Everyday I learn something new. Today I learned about Free will.
That was actually what I thought about ever since I learned that when atoms and molecules collide they act in a way that you can predict. So I thought to myself that if we could know exact location, direction, speed, mass, charge of every atom and have a calculating machine with immense speed we could literally predict the future by playing a simulation of the whole world. This topic is insanely interesting!!! Just imagine, millions of atom that were all randomly spread all around the universe started colliding and at some point became very complicated systems of atoms that can make an exact copy of itself by using other very complicated systems of atoms.
Love this idea
This is very boring. Why ? It is because it cannot be done. It is just an illusion. Wake up !!! Exercise your free will and do something nice instead.
May the love and the peace of Jesus be with us.
That's called, Laplace's Demon
@@purplehoneycomb6456 Exactly. Garbage in, garbage out.
May the love and the peace of Jesus be with us.
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*"it cannot be done."*
citation needed.
ps, jesus rimmed me. it's okay, though; his behavior was determined.
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Looks like a very good summary of ideas from philosophers, biologists and neuroscientists. More specifically - Daniel Denet (about necessity of illusion of free will)
Dennett is a compatibilist,, While the creator of the video seems to be a hard determinist.
This is totally what I ended up thinking myself, and I've been talking about it with quite a lot of people and many of them found it believable but also very depressing. I'm always surprised, I don't see anything depressing in this, actually, it's quite the opposite.
Recently I've heard that has been well studied and formulated by the philosopher Spinoza.
I believe it uses to be a lot easier for humanity to comprehend this idea, because back in time humanity was less self-centered, less individualistic, and I think a couple thousand years ago it was culturally more accepted before god became unique and omnipotent.
Our place in the universe was a lot more humble and our acts were more often considered as the manifestation of the "gods" will.
But they weren't perfect either, they could be tricked and make mistakes, they were different to one another and had disagreements.
It seems like reality cannot be broken down to simple concepts such as "good and bad", "black and white" but instead that there is an infinity of shades in between and that most of the consequences extend way further than our consciousness could, such as a butterfly effect.
So much than judging an act as good or bad entirely depend on the timeframe you are looking at.
Some choices that are good for your day may destroy the rest of your life or make it worst for the whole of humanity, and some terrible things could generate an incredibly positive effect for generations to come.
What I think is reassuring in all this is to give up on trying to control everything. The only thing we can do, would be to be the person we are supposed to be, and without knowing it we cannot be wrong. To just try to follow what seems good through our current prism, and don't worry if things seem to go off, because then it was supposed to and you did your best. Actually what more could you have done if you have no control? You were supposed to experience this failure to be able to learn and therefore, become the one that will not do it next time...
So in this sense, there is no destination really, there is also no failure, everything is in an eternal journey and we are always on the path 🙏
at least you paragraphed your sentences
You made me change my perspective on this, thank you so much!
@@adoniskaizen2 I'm glad my paragraph has been useful to someone 😊🙏
@@user-mq9lx9im3x Yes 😅
An inspired reaction to an inspiring video 😊
I hope it makes sense, since english insn't my first language 😅
Because people fear not being in control. Is why. Which IS losing control.
In reality people do what they WANT to do. There's reminders that help with making sure people don't remain depressed. MOST people will drop the ball here.
Dude literally just out here making a video with the title 'the illusion of free will' while the title should be 'how your brain works'
I like that a video like this exists. I stoped caring about everything but i still do what I'm supposed to do in every day life because either way nothing matters. Humanity in itself doesn't produce anything new we just do what nature wants us to do.No man can see whats infront of him because he is blinded by his own eyes, i came up with that thought awhile ago and have been following the topic ever since, I'm always wondering what the next step in evolution would be.
50% determinism+50 free will=human life. So, some choices are up to us , up to our own free will ,but so many other choices are not up to us and are deterministically thrust upon us.
You have a contradiction in your comment here. Do you see it?
@@lahm.verlassenerActually there’s no element of ‘free will’. None.
@@geofftoscano6804 It's not proven, but it's also not disproven. Free will is so vaguely defined. You know what's also not proven? Determinism, when it comes to our reality. Physics and math are the most deterministic sciences, yet quantum mechanics is indeterministic. When it comes to everything, it's far more vague because physics has a far more narrow scope using the language of logic to look at certain things. Chaos theory even says that the future events cannot be predicted which means that outside of math, it's up to you. You can believe in free will, you can believe in determinism or accept the uncertainty, that we don't know if either of them apply.
@@vampirgirl41 I’m sorry, but quantum randomness doesn’t get you to free will, it simply introduces another factor. Assuming that there is genuine randomness to the quantum world, then there is still no place for free will, as we are still driven by our neurons. It’s not a matter of proven or unproven: it’s how you define free will. Libertarian free will, in the sense that we could not have acted otherwise, isn’t really challengeable.
Well, I think life and determinism is more like river flow. We cannot make it sharp turn or move backwards. But we can make small changes, we have influence, but big changes are a product from these small deviations from the main current that we can make.
Just a thought. Take care.
Agreed
Thank you for your food for thought, might I add: if moving time were the water flowing in a river, then a static description of time would be comparable to the rocky banks that determine the river's course, or flow of direction.(Consciousness) Although time is usually seen as a oneway street, it need not be, the fact that a street is marked "one way" does not stop it from being easily traveled in the unauthorized direction, thus, the subjective, and objective sides of reality, or the self, and the environment tend to merge in a symmetric way. On one hand, the environment is absorbed by the self through sensations or experience, and the laws of nature are thus abstracted by thoughts and feelings; on the other hand, the self is projected onto the environment in such a way that it "selects" the laws of nature by analogy or logical comparison to its own internal laws. What projects reflects only a fraction of what is. Either way, the ego tends to interact with the environment as momentary identities are intersected within it. This brings the subjective and objective phases of reality and spacetime into closer CORRESPONDENCE, as the brain’s neural connections are modified or adjusted to account for new information regarding both self and environment - as it learns or teaches - its model of time changes as a function of time, the relationship with self, and environment serving as the matrix for all spacetime relationships, and an accumulation of experiences (perception) that forms one's understanding of reality.
Yeah, I agree with Compatibilism, there are things that we can control and some things that we can't control.
i agree
The issue is that all the atoms that make up the river are predetermined by the laws of physics so even small changes in the course of the river would have been predetermined.
Damn i can't believe it! I spent the whole day reading & brainstorming over this topic, reading & watching Sam Harris, Robert Sapolsky etc... and then today itself my favourite channel Aperture dropped this masterpiece...thanks a lot👍💯
( it was all predetermined anyways 😒 )
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That's why you know it's hor$eshit
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Christians can totally agree with some major points in this. This idea of freedom being affected by your surroundings is 100% true.
We believe that the more you give in to your desires that are not good for you, for example alcohol, gambling, cheating etc, you can lose some freedom to make good decisions in the future. Basically the whole point of life is to reach heaven, which is perfect freedom, aided by God, to choose the good things like charity and service when you want to. But when we mess up we lose the freedom we need to make good decisions little by little.
Look at the best saints, like Mother Theresa for example, they were the most disciplined and actually wanted to help people out of free compassion. Anyways, I want to get that out there for anyone thinking any of this video is a totally defeating challenge to Christianity, it isn’t.
I don't see how life is perfect freedom if you have to spend there an eternity worshipping a deity. It's more like the opposite of freedom.
This didn’t depress me it opened my mind
This ignores certain aspects of quantum theory, specifically collapse of wave function and particle superposition. All matter is bound by these rules, yet they are impossible for our brains to fully comprehend. Free will does exist. I used to think like this video, atoms are chemically and physically bound by a certain set of governing laws that dictate what will happen as time moves on; and in the physical world we see this is correct. However, the quantum world literally seems magical, and anyone saying they understand it truly has no idea.
The Schrodinger equation is the closest thing to understanding we have, and it says the wave function evolves deterministically. It collapses based on probability density, according to the born rule.
@@willjeremijenko4633 yep there is no magic to it.
Nope, every choice you make is directly (and indirectly) influenced by human evolution, your genes, enviroment, culture, etc. so many things influence how you will ‘choose’ in the future. Being hungry and making a choice vs not being hungry can influence your choice. We, as animals, are bound to our biochemical systems
The only thing we know is that we don’t know. The same phenomena exists at either side of the physics spectrum. The uncertainty principle within and the three body problem in classical physics.
the existence of the quantum realm doesnt mean theres free will. its just another layer of complexity
This poses a different set of question: Where does the subconscious end and you begin? Is the subconscious part of you and are its decisions your own?
At the most fundamental, atomic level, we are simply the sum of the molecular composition of our bodies and the way these molecules interact with the environment. Since we lack the ability to perfectly describe and predict the behaviour of these molecules, we have to invoke philosophical concepts like free will and morality for practical purposes, not because free will and morality are fundamental features of the universe.
Aperture: going through a difficult time and having a hard time letting go of controlling the situation or solving his current problem.
Also aperture: creates a whole video to try and convince everyone that humans completely don't have free will based on theories and speculations so he gets to accept that he can't solve something for once.
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Free will doesnt exist no matter how u think of it u eventually reach the conclusion that it cant exist.
Even the acceptance of truth is subject to one's thoughts and feelings.
@@mint-o5497 yes "you" get to the conclusion that it can't exist. Thanks for specifying that.
@@Nora-ry1nw referring to my sub conscious not my conscious mind
For me the free will is when you know you are not free of what u doing just observing your life like a movie . I am talking like that because God showed me some experience that I cant described its just wonderful knowing there is no freewill we are just conscious of ours life. Its hard to explain but trust me i know what I am talking about
As one magnetic guy said: "Free will is a myth, religion is a joke. We're all pawns controlled by something greater. Memes. The DNA of the soul."
Interesting how people can speak so much about non existence of free will but cannot apply it in their lives even for once