@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis 1) take it up with Filoni and Disney 2) Battle of Quell took a lot of "inspiration" from Honoghr's, especially when you go read about the Republic Comics.
its crazy to think that after this battle aayla secura was allowed to lead the charge to felucia, despite leading a battlegroup into something like a 99.9% casualty rate
@@adamsz415 To be fair, the Jedi for the most part, were shitty warfare tacticians. The fact she was left with command of a ground unit isn't surprising though, cause she was still a Jedi General that could get away with it
Also to be fair, plo koon also lost nearly all of the Wolfpack when his fleet was destroyed by the malevolence. That’s why they changed their clone armor from reddish to grey
@imachickennugget3966 Anakin being Palpatine's apprentice was a promising prospect, but never a necessity. He didn't NEED Anakin to he his apprentice with the creation of the Empire, but he would've been much better off alive and a part of the Dark Side than dead, obviously
Anakin kills Palpy in the end(and if count new movies, his legacy finishes job he started still). So maybe not much of one, as sure he had backup plans for another apprentice, if he even really needed one for anything other than weird ego trip that he was carrying on the rule of two.
@ isaack7675 "What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response, were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
Much as I love the Venator and it’s carrier bay doors design, always grinded my gears how the “capital ships” only had each other and their carrier air wings for cover and support, especially with a bajillion vulture droids whizzing around, all seemed comical how the Separatists had to fumble the bag more often then not.
Shows also why even though the first gen tactical droids may be overconfident they still posed a serious threat and could be a good leader if not for being so ruthless but there droids so makes since
It was one of my favourite early Clone Wars episodes as it prominently featured a Jedi we knew little about before hand. Something Clone Wars should've done way more of IMO.
Poor Snips...this episode really helped develop her character and it was a nice sentiment to see her actually show us how much she cared for Anakin, beyond calling him Skyguy. Brother and sister for sure :D
love the vids, been a fan for some years now. Crazy how yall explore aspects of the star wars lore that seem unimportant to more "mainstream" creators. Keep up the great work and the uniqueness, love every second of your vids
This is what TCW needed more of. Larger scaled warfare Disney should've spent Season 7 in its entirety on all the remaining battles of the Outer-Rim Sieges Season 8 could've handled what we got for the Finale
With this video, you've now talked about every space battle seen in season 1, except that one in episode 11 where Obi-Wan and Anakin tried to capture Dooku and then met Hondo. In fact, given all the battles and important event discussions you've done, including that video you did on episode 15 Trespass, you've pretty much talked about almost all of the episodes of season 1, the only ones were missing are the aforementioned episodes 11 and 12, the three-parter of episodes 8 to 10 involving the capture of Gunrey, his freedom, and Grevious Lair, and lastly episode 22.
Ranks as one of the best for me, as the CIS actually win a fight which is a rare achievement for the droid faction. Usually all CIS ships do when on screen is either blow up or retreat
This is one of the few battles that is shown that demonstrates the Confederacy’s superiority over the Republic during the conflict. The majority of the battles never really demonstrates how the Confederacy had overwhelming numbers and firepower compared to the Republic.
After this victory, how much possible it is for the Separatists to establish a stronghold with a fleet there to make it harder for the Republic to pass through to Felucia? Considering how the Clones Wars went, I guess they didn't do it. But if they did, will this changed the course of the Clones Wars?
Off the top of my head, if the CIS secured a reliable highway between their two major territories then the rich resources of the IGBC would flood across to the Techno-Union & Commerce Guild factory worlds, and all those military assets from said factories would flood back across to the likes of Munnilinst. There were plenty of assets sneaking across GAR territory as it was, which enabled Munnalinst to hold out for practically the entire war, and of course the CIS had plenty of assets to defend their leadership & IGBC vaults, but nothing big enough to upset the balance of either theatre. Somehow I'm sure it would not have won the war for the CIS, but the GAR would certainly have been forced backward if they could not block that lane before it was reinforced.
@@dhaburuk6494 So while it might not turned the tide of the war, it shall make the Felucia theatre lasted longer. And as a result, Shu Mai might not feel the need to leave for Utapau personally and can remain there with confidence for a while. By doing so, the Separatist Council can get to choose between going to Mustafar or Felucia. If they chose Felucia, the Empire will have a hard time reaching them because the droids' army have yet to be activated, Felucia's jungles are anything but normal and are highly dangerous, and with all Jedi either slain or in hiding, the Republic turned Imperial officers will have to take up the command themselves unless Sidious wanted to expose to the galaxy that Darth Vader is indeed Anakin Skywalker. And these Imperial officers are anything but competent. So yeah, the war will keep dragging on with Felucia becoming the primary objective while planets such as Desix and Raxus Secundus are the secondary concerns with the Imperial military making little to no progress whatsoever. To make the matter worse, the Umbaran resistance and Saw Garrera's Partisans began their campaigns against the local Imperial garrisons to liberate Onderon and Umbara from the Imperial occupations. This means the Imperial military will be spread thin while remaining largely lacking of competent leadership.
@@lerneanlion I think you mistake Felucia's value. It's Shu Mai's throne-world, not a factory-world pumping out legions of battle-droids. It just so happens to be a nasty place to live (worse to wage war on) and practically next door are said factory-worlds. Palpatine placed a priority on Felucia to decapitate the Commerce Guild, but its hard to kill a snake when its surrounded by its brood - a meat-grinder by design of course. Your train of thought is interesting. The formation of the Empire relied on other factors, however. The collective might of the CIS is impressive, but the Republic is a sleeping giant that is loathe to commit any more resources than strictly necessary. Whenever the war turns particularly sour for the Republic the Senators of wealthy & influential worlds begin to commit more resources so the GAR can return them to their preferred comfort. At some point all wars lose their purpose and 'not losing' becomes a significant motivator for those who might otherwise believe peace to less-costly than war. After all, losing means an end to their accustomed comforts. Palpatine was a truly excellent manipulator,. In this case he does not even have to lift a finger to re-balance the galactic battle-field. His tweaking of the war was deliberately timed to ensure he gathered more power, almost irrespective of the concerns of the 'elite' of the galactic community.
@@dhaburuk6494 The problem is Felucia itself. It is planet known for being full of bizarre and dangerous lifeforms. It will be a good place for the Separatist leadership to hide and fortify themselves. And with a bunch of factory worlds around, it will become a good Separatist bastion. And that is the point. Nobody really wants to go to Felucia unless they really have to. A debate within the Imperial Senate will arise about needlessly wasting more troops to such a place to continue the war effort or settle for a peaceful negotiation. Sure, the clones might not have a choice. But the Imperial officers and the Stormtroopers that come later ater the clones' production ended due to the costs will definitely not be happy about going to Felucia. Some might not even considered worth going for in the first place and would prefer to go tracking down the Partisans or dealing with the resistances on Mimban, Ryloth, Umbara and Kashyyyk instead. And that is the point here. With everyone in the Imperial military viewed the assignment on Felucia as nothing but suicide mission, they will do everything to prevent themselves from being stationed there. As a result, the war will lasted longer. So to simplify it, the war will lasted longer because nobody in the Imperial military wanted to go to Felucia and not even the government can forced them. But knowing Sidious, he might try to have the Separatist leaders who stayed there assassinated. Either by infiltration or a ruse through negotiation. If it is the latter, it will also be up to them as well that should they take the offer or not.
The thing I liked about this battle was that we got to see Anakin Skywalker at his absoulete best. Selflessly and heroically saved Aalya Secura, Ashoka Tano and some clones by force yeeting them away from a blast before holding back the full force of the blast and risking his life and nearly dying doing it.
The Battle of Quell is certainly unique in itself. But most fans might concentrate more in the Adventure Anakin n friends were forced to go on after the battle was over.
How'd the corvette make the jump to hyperspace while so close to Quell's gravity well? Regardless of how small or large the planet is, the craft look low enough to still be at a relative 1g...which, in the case of Earth, extends well past LEO. Or is this one of those inconsistencies that dinsey's constantly criticized for? I wouldn't know since I've not watched a dinsey SW film or series - except for Rogue One.
I always found this battle to be dumb. They didn’t need to attack Quell, they had recon showing a large Droid force there, a Jedi is in charge, and you took away the primary advantage a starship has over any form of war machine before and put it in a gravity well. Aayla Secura sucks.
I think thry might have hsd s bigger force at the beginning. 7 were left by thst loint We have seen anakin take on 6 and win. And yularn stayed and finished the battle before looking for anakin
The biggest mistake I see is that they are using Space Ships like Air Ships and I could imagine that the Republic Navy never wanted to fight in atmospheric fight.
i mean clones could of used escape pods before their ships where destroyed on the other venators. so maybe some survived but off screen and landed on the planet?
@@pokebreeder2517 In the episode you are referencing, the droids shot down all but one of the escape pods, and they only used turbolasers, but in this battle they had starfighters and rocket B2s which would have made it easier.
Maybe the separatists also wanted Quell because they played Lego star wars 3 and wanted to find out if the planet was truly like in the game
Lol
Definitely
Facts
XD
I just got done replaying the entirety of Lego Star Wars III
I like the Battle of Quell because it's one of the few atmospheric capital ship battles in Star Wars
Battle of Honoghr *cough cough*
@@lawrencetalbot8346we didn’t get to see that on screen, though.
@@lawrencetalbot8346 bd
@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis bs
@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis 1) take it up with Filoni and Disney
2) Battle of Quell took a lot of "inspiration" from Honoghr's, especially when you go read about the Republic Comics.
its crazy to think that after this battle aayla secura was allowed to lead the charge to felucia, despite leading a battlegroup into something like a 99.9% casualty rate
Just one more reason that TCW doesn’t make sense in the same canon as ROTS.
She was never allowed to lead naval battles again, but on Felucia, she only led a ground battle.
@@adamsz415
To be fair, the Jedi for the most part, were shitty warfare tacticians. The fact she was left with command of a ground unit isn't surprising though, cause she was still a Jedi General that could get away with it
She probably got it because everyone knew there'd be loads of casualties on Felicia and so if a couple platoons of clones died no one would notice
Also to be fair, plo koon also lost nearly all of the Wolfpack when his fleet was destroyed by the malevolence. That’s why they changed their clone armor from reddish to grey
What kind of screw thrown into Palpatine's plans this battle could have ended up being, if Anakin didn't survive the blast.
Ultimately not much, Anakin was never integral to Palpatine's plans, Order 66 would not have changed, and that was the real game changer.
@@andrewmessersmith608 bs
@@andrewmessersmith608 no it would have tfained
@imachickennugget3966
Anakin being Palpatine's apprentice was a promising prospect, but never a necessity.
He didn't NEED Anakin to he his apprentice with the creation of the Empire, but he would've been much better off alive and a part of the Dark Side than dead, obviously
Anakin kills Palpy in the end(and if count new movies, his legacy finishes job he started still). So maybe not much of one, as sure he had backup plans for another apprentice, if he even really needed one for anything other than weird ego trip that he was carrying on the rule of two.
Clone Pilot, “Those Clankers can fly now!”
Ahsoka, “They fly now?”
Rex, “They fly now. Blast them!”
@ isaack7675 "What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response, were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
Much as I love the Venator and it’s carrier bay doors design, always grinded my gears how the “capital ships” only had each other and their carrier air wings for cover and support, especially with a bajillion vulture droids whizzing around, all seemed comical how the Separatists had to fumble the bag more often then not.
Shows also why even though the first gen tactical droids may be overconfident they still posed a serious threat and could be a good leader if not for being so ruthless but there droids so makes since
It was one of my favourite early Clone Wars episodes as it prominently featured a Jedi we knew little about before hand. Something Clone Wars should've done way more of IMO.
Poor Snips...this episode really helped develop her character and it was a nice sentiment to see her actually show us how much she cared for Anakin, beyond calling him Skyguy. Brother and sister for sure :D
Nope
My favourite level in Lego SW 3. That blue sky looked so amazing
Always a good time when this man posts
love the vids, been a fan for some years now. Crazy how yall explore aspects of the star wars lore that seem unimportant to more "mainstream" creators. Keep up the great work and the uniqueness, love every second of your vids
This is what TCW needed more of. Larger scaled warfare
Disney should've spent Season 7 in its entirety on all the remaining battles of the Outer-Rim Sieges
Season 8 could've handled what we got for the Finale
With this video, you've now talked about every space battle seen in season 1, except that one in episode 11 where Obi-Wan and Anakin tried to capture Dooku and then met Hondo.
In fact, given all the battles and important event discussions you've done, including that video you did on episode 15 Trespass, you've pretty much talked about almost all of the episodes of season 1, the only ones were missing are the aforementioned episodes 11 and 12, the three-parter of episodes 8 to 10 involving the capture of Gunrey, his freedom, and Grevious Lair, and lastly episode 22.
Ranks as one of the best for me, as the CIS actually win a fight which is a rare achievement for the droid faction. Usually all CIS ships do when on screen is either blow up or retreat
This is one of the few battles that is shown that demonstrates the Confederacy’s superiority over the Republic during the conflict.
The majority of the battles never really demonstrates how the Confederacy had overwhelming numbers and firepower compared to the Republic.
After this victory, how much possible it is for the Separatists to establish a stronghold with a fleet there to make it harder for the Republic to pass through to Felucia? Considering how the Clones Wars went, I guess they didn't do it. But if they did, will this changed the course of the Clones Wars?
Off the top of my head, if the CIS secured a reliable highway between their two major territories then the rich resources of the IGBC would flood across to the Techno-Union & Commerce Guild factory worlds, and all those military assets from said factories would flood back across to the likes of Munnilinst. There were plenty of assets sneaking across GAR territory as it was, which enabled Munnalinst to hold out for practically the entire war, and of course the CIS had plenty of assets to defend their leadership & IGBC vaults, but nothing big enough to upset the balance of either theatre. Somehow I'm sure it would not have won the war for the CIS, but the GAR would certainly have been forced backward if they could not block that lane before it was reinforced.
@@dhaburuk6494 So while it might not turned the tide of the war, it shall make the Felucia theatre lasted longer. And as a result, Shu Mai might not feel the need to leave for Utapau personally and can remain there with confidence for a while. By doing so, the Separatist Council can get to choose between going to Mustafar or Felucia. If they chose Felucia, the Empire will have a hard time reaching them because the droids' army have yet to be activated, Felucia's jungles are anything but normal and are highly dangerous, and with all Jedi either slain or in hiding, the Republic turned Imperial officers will have to take up the command themselves unless Sidious wanted to expose to the galaxy that Darth Vader is indeed Anakin Skywalker. And these Imperial officers are anything but competent. So yeah, the war will keep dragging on with Felucia becoming the primary objective while planets such as Desix and Raxus Secundus are the secondary concerns with the Imperial military making little to no progress whatsoever. To make the matter worse, the Umbaran resistance and Saw Garrera's Partisans began their campaigns against the local Imperial garrisons to liberate Onderon and Umbara from the Imperial occupations. This means the Imperial military will be spread thin while remaining largely lacking of competent leadership.
@@lerneanlion I think you mistake Felucia's value. It's Shu Mai's throne-world, not a factory-world pumping out legions of battle-droids. It just so happens to be a nasty place to live (worse to wage war on) and practically next door are said factory-worlds. Palpatine placed a priority on Felucia to decapitate the Commerce Guild, but its hard to kill a snake when its surrounded by its brood - a meat-grinder by design of course.
Your train of thought is interesting. The formation of the Empire relied on other factors, however. The collective might of the CIS is impressive, but the Republic is a sleeping giant that is loathe to commit any more resources than strictly necessary. Whenever the war turns particularly sour for the Republic the Senators of wealthy & influential worlds begin to commit more resources so the GAR can return them to their preferred comfort. At some point all wars lose their purpose and 'not losing' becomes a significant motivator for those who might otherwise believe peace to less-costly than war. After all, losing means an end to their accustomed comforts.
Palpatine was a truly excellent manipulator,. In this case he does not even have to lift a finger to re-balance the galactic battle-field. His tweaking of the war was deliberately timed to ensure he gathered more power, almost irrespective of the concerns of the 'elite' of the galactic community.
@@dhaburuk6494 The problem is Felucia itself. It is planet known for being full of bizarre and dangerous lifeforms. It will be a good place for the Separatist leadership to hide and fortify themselves. And with a bunch of factory worlds around, it will become a good Separatist bastion. And that is the point. Nobody really wants to go to Felucia unless they really have to. A debate within the Imperial Senate will arise about needlessly wasting more troops to such a place to continue the war effort or settle for a peaceful negotiation. Sure, the clones might not have a choice. But the Imperial officers and the Stormtroopers that come later ater the clones' production ended due to the costs will definitely not be happy about going to Felucia. Some might not even considered worth going for in the first place and would prefer to go tracking down the Partisans or dealing with the resistances on Mimban, Ryloth, Umbara and Kashyyyk instead. And that is the point here. With everyone in the Imperial military viewed the assignment on Felucia as nothing but suicide mission, they will do everything to prevent themselves from being stationed there. As a result, the war will lasted longer. So to simplify it, the war will lasted longer because nobody in the Imperial military wanted to go to Felucia and not even the government can forced them. But knowing Sidious, he might try to have the Separatist leaders who stayed there assassinated. Either by infiltration or a ruse through negotiation. If it is the latter, it will also be up to them as well that should they take the offer or not.
The thing I liked about this battle was that we got to see Anakin Skywalker at his absoulete best. Selflessly and heroically saved Aalya Secura, Ashoka Tano and some clones by force yeeting them away from a blast before holding back the full force of the blast and risking his life and nearly dying doing it.
RIP those clankas who were still on the Liberty. Some of us do care.
The Battle of Quell is certainly unique in itself. But most fans might concentrate more in the Adventure Anakin n friends were forced to go on after the battle was over.
this is how liberty dies
in atmosphere
Thank you for calling the Charger C-70 a Corvette. Idk why it's always called a Republic frigate. It's nowhere near big enough to be one
Bs
@@UTTPCHICKENNUGGET BS? Why?
Cause I stepped in l cow crap now I gotta clean my boot
Can you do the space battle where Douku abandons Ventress please
Battle of sullast .
How'd the corvette make the jump to hyperspace while so close to Quell's gravity well? Regardless of how small or large the planet is, the craft look low enough to still be at a relative 1g...which, in the case of Earth, extends well past LEO.
Or is this one of those inconsistencies that dinsey's constantly criticized for? I wouldn't know since I've not watched a dinsey SW film or series - except for Rogue One.
To think there are fans out there that say to skip seasons 1 and 2…
The perfect definition of Never Push the line!! Also that droid mus be modified and have a lot of experience like R2D2
I feel that you need to do another Worst Generals video, this time including Secura.
I don't understand why she didn't retreat, or why she even attacked in the first place.
I always found this battle to be dumb. They didn’t need to attack Quell, they had recon showing a large Droid force there, a Jedi is in charge, and you took away the primary advantage a starship has over any form of war machine before and put it in a gravity well. Aayla Secura sucks.
I think thry might have hsd s bigger force at the beginning. 7 were left by thst loint
We have seen anakin take on 6 and win.
And yularn stayed and finished the battle before looking for anakin
Bs
@@UTTPCHICKENNUGGET remember episode 2 of season two ?
Anakin and the resolve took of and destroyed 6 frigates. .( the jedi is s bold one )
@@shanenolan5625 naw
You could also argue that secura wasn't anywhere near the same caliber of tactician that skywalker was.
The Senate’s excellence is completely mitigated.
I feel like the only times a Tactical Droid won a battle
The biggest mistake I see is that they are using Space Ships like Air Ships and I could imagine that the Republic Navy never wanted to fight in atmospheric fight.
The battle became an atmospheric battle because the Republic ships began to fall into the atmosphere from what I remember.
Nice episode.
i mean clones could of used escape pods before their ships where destroyed on the other venators. so maybe some survived but off screen and landed on the planet?
Nah the CIS would have prevented that.
@@tk-6967 maybe not, you know how terrible shots the droids are when it come stop aiming at escape pods.
@@pokebreeder2517 In the episode you are referencing, the droids shot down all but one of the escape pods, and they only used turbolasers, but in this battle they had starfighters and rocket B2s which would have made it easier.
@@tk-6967 true, i guess we will never know to be honest if many pods made it
@@pokebreeder2517 bs
Im sure this has been said before but imagine if Anakin did just die in this battle imagine how different the star wars universe would be
Then Secura would've been The Chosen One. 😊
I love me some clone wars coverage. Yeehaw poogle!
Finally a Separatist victory, it's been a while.
Bs
Pretty much
👍
Lego Star Wars III is a fantastic source
Nope
Oh boy, the republic fleet is crap
Hello there
General kenobi
@@maxasselmeier5575 You are a bold one
Let’s see how long we can keep this going @@glowpro2532
No