Yes. I was mistaken about the position of omnidirectional microphones. Fortunately, it doesn’t really affect the recording, at least from what I understand and what I have noticed.
@@daviddumaisaudio Yes it doesn´t really effect the recording because it doesn´t really matter in which direction they are pointing (at least to a certain degree). The only negative thing you could say is that they are not spaced out enough to create a good stereo image. But if the Recording sounds good it doesn´t matter, how it was recorded right?
Something that does make more sense, is to use them in a kind of binaural setup. Putting something akin to a jecklin disk (sound damping material the size of a head, maybe a bit smaller if you don't want it only for headphones) between them, then adjust the distance between the omnis. Greatly increases the stereo field to the point of immersive. Also the angles often do matter as most omnis aren't that omni on all frequencies... Happy experimenting.
Yup, necessary comment. Sorry, but putting information out there without knowing about the subject is very confusing😅 I was like what is he talking about? It is important to know the difference between omni and directional. By the way, "cardio" and "shotgun" are both in the family of directional pattern microphones
If you want to record in stereo and mono at the same time go with mid/side microphone. Then you can decide later. Try positioning your omni mics 180 degrees opposed about the width of your head. Works like our ears. Captures left-right-front-back-up-down. While reviewing a recording I actually turned to see what was behind me. With only 2 mics.
Good advice David. It's amazing how many recordings I ruined because of my breathing or silly stuff like handling or cable noise. Also be very aware of the clothes you're wearing before you go out. I also screwed up a few recordings because of the rain jacket I had on, or Nylon hiking shorts/pants that made rustling noises whenever I moved. All part of the learning process though.
😊 One of the first thing realised when I started recording shits: damned I have to hold my breath, I hope I'll never need to record something too long!
Hello David! Great ideas shared there but I think you do a big mistake mounting omnidirectionnal mics in XY... because they are omnidirectional, only the space between them will create a stereo image (the delay between the 2 mic) so only AB makes sense for this kind of pattern. 2 Omni mics in XY means you will record 2 time exactly the same thing. Just an advice, if you want to do XY, use cardio mic! ;)
Yes, you are right. I think spacing them further apart would be more beneficial than where the mics are pointing. I’ll be experimenting with that more. Thanks for the tip!
For asmr outdoor cooking videos over the fire what mic would you recommned? Im thinking ansenheizer mke600 for the boom mic. But what abkut recording forest ambience? Woild you need a recorder, and then add the track in post?
btw I noticed some clicks similar to what I got with resolve with the youtube render preset, but if I just render out with the default the clicks weren't there - I hope that helps if you're even using resolve :)
@@DashGlitch Strange that there are clicks. I do use Resolve, but not the RUclips preset. Do you find they show up at a particular place for you or are they random clicks?
@@daviddumaisaudio 7:12 the reason I said it is it reminded me of the sound I had a few times when using that preset, anyway I hope you can figure that out, great video btw, that part about testing the recording first is so obvious but so many times I have been caught out.
@@DashGlitch Huh, I went back into my resolve project and it isn’t there so it’s definitely coming from export. Thanks for the heads up. I’ll have to look into it.
Hi Dave I'm defiantly not an expert as I only learned about field recording 5 days ago and bought my H1 Essential 3 days ago but maybe you should get the Zoom M3 mic as it can film in both Stereo and Mono and you can even change from one to the other in post after you've recorded pretty awesome mic from what I can see and have learned in 5 days about sound and recording
@@DashGlitch well, no, cause they‘re omnidirectional. With omnidirectional mics the angle doesn’t matter, cause they’re omnidirectional. They don’t pick up what’s in front of them but rather everything all around
@@pywidem5823 Regardless of their polar patern, the incoming phase will be the same if they are in the same direction and thus the recording will be very similar. If they are at an angle, their phase will be offset by 90 and closer to a natural stereo image.
Mixing L and R channel often produce awful results. I find that selecting one of the channel is better. Of course this iq something to taake into account if you only has sterro micq but wants a mono track for final result. Sadly, many recorde mix both channels but only has the internal pair of mics. The distortion is obvious if you record a voice in a room with a good amount of reverb and the mics are at one meter (even less) of the source.
slow down please. This seems intended for people getting into field recording like myself and your losing me real quick with the fast talk and technical lingo many of us probably dont have a full grasp of yet specially if we are here for a beginners type video.
Omnidirectional Mics in XY and ORTF doesn´t make sense. You use cardioid microphones in XY and ORTF Setup. For Omnis just spaced AB
Yes. I was mistaken about the position of omnidirectional microphones. Fortunately, it doesn’t really affect the recording, at least from what I understand and what I have noticed.
@@daviddumaisaudio Yes it doesn´t really effect the recording because it doesn´t really matter in which direction they are pointing (at least to a certain degree). The only negative thing you could say is that they are not spaced out enough to create a good stereo image. But if the Recording sounds good it doesn´t matter, how it was recorded right?
@@europeanambiencewhat would you recommend for spacing?
Something that does make more sense, is to use them in a kind of binaural setup. Putting something akin to a jecklin disk (sound damping material the size of a head, maybe a bit smaller if you don't want it only for headphones) between them, then adjust the distance between the omnis. Greatly increases the stereo field to the point of immersive. Also the angles often do matter as most omnis aren't that omni on all frequencies... Happy experimenting.
Yup, necessary comment. Sorry, but putting information out there without knowing about the subject is very confusing😅 I was like what is he talking about?
It is important to know the difference between omni and directional. By the way, "cardio" and "shotgun" are both in the family of directional pattern microphones
A great way to begin a new workweek. Always appreciate all you share, David...and how detailed you get.
Thank uou for this detailed explanation 😊
Great info for a start. Thank you
Great video David! I was wondering what stand/holder you are using between your f6 and microphone setup? Looks like a great run and gun setup.
That is a smallrig handle grip: www.daviddumaisaudio.com/handlegrip (affiliate)
@@daviddumaisaudio thanks!!
great information thanks
If you want to record in stereo and mono at the same time go with mid/side microphone. Then you can decide later.
Try positioning your omni mics 180 degrees opposed about the width of your head. Works like our ears. Captures left-right-front-back-up-down. While reviewing a recording I actually turned to see what was behind me. With only 2 mics.
Good advice David. It's amazing how many recordings I ruined because of my breathing or silly stuff like handling or cable noise. Also be very aware of the clothes you're wearing before you go out. I also screwed up a few recordings because of the rain jacket I had on, or Nylon hiking shorts/pants that made rustling noises whenever I moved. All part of the learning process though.
😊 One of the first thing realised when I started recording shits: damned I have to hold my breath, I hope I'll never need to record something too long!
It's where a good directionnal mic helps, I suppose...
Man, you can TALK
Are you high on Speed? :D
Blink twice if you're kidnapped xD
Yes, a gentle request to Slow Down. It's hard to follow. Great info though!!
@@briankehew579
It was hard to follow but I don’t think he can help that. I slowed the video to 0.75x in settings and it worked great.
Hello David! Great ideas shared there but I think you do a big mistake mounting omnidirectionnal mics in XY... because they are omnidirectional, only the space between them will create a stereo image (the delay between the 2 mic) so only AB makes sense for this kind of pattern. 2 Omni mics in XY means you will record 2 time exactly the same thing. Just an advice, if you want to do XY, use cardio mic! ;)
Yes, you are right. I think spacing them further apart would be more beneficial than where the mics are pointing. I’ll be experimenting with that more. Thanks for the tip!
@@daviddumaisaudio I've been using omni mics with space between them for close up single source and it bombs. But XY makes little sense
In fact, your omnis are not that omnidirectional as you had wished. That's why your XY experiments resulted in something stereo.
For asmr outdoor cooking videos over the fire what mic would you recommned? Im thinking ansenheizer mke600 for the boom mic. But what abkut recording forest ambience? Woild you need a recorder, and then add the track in post?
Finding the right input level can be tricky too, so if it's possible, yes, do multiple takes, I'll add at difcerent levels.
Great one, thanks
btw I noticed some clicks similar to what I got with resolve with the youtube render preset, but if I just render out with the default the clicks weren't there - I hope that helps if you're even using resolve :)
@@DashGlitch Strange that there are clicks. I do use Resolve, but not the RUclips preset. Do you find they show up at a particular place for you or are they random clicks?
@@daviddumaisaudio I'll watch through again and see if I can find the timestamp, it's not often I think once or twice in the video
@@daviddumaisaudio 7:12 the reason I said it is it reminded me of the sound I had a few times when using that preset, anyway I hope you can figure that out, great video btw, that part about testing the recording first is so obvious but so many times I have been caught out.
@@DashGlitch Huh, I went back into my resolve project and it isn’t there so it’s definitely coming from export. Thanks for the heads up. I’ll have to look into it.
Hi Dave I'm defiantly not an expert as I only learned about field recording 5 days ago and bought my H1 Essential 3 days ago but maybe you should get the Zoom M3 mic as it can film in both Stereo and Mono and you can even change from one to the other in post after you've recorded pretty awesome mic from what I can see and have learned in 5 days about sound and recording
Tnx bro❤
great video
Why do you mount omnidirectional mics with an angle? That should not do something significantly different to mounting them straight
If the mics are pointing in the same direction, they are likely to pick up a very similar source and thus negate the need for a stereo pair ;)
@@DashGlitch well, no, cause they‘re omnidirectional. With omnidirectional mics the angle doesn’t matter, cause they’re omnidirectional. They don’t pick up what’s in front of them but rather everything all around
@@pywidem5823 Regardless of their polar patern, the incoming phase will be the same if they are in the same direction and thus the recording will be very similar. If they are at an angle, their phase will be offset by 90 and closer to a natural stereo image.
@@pywidem5823 agree Omnis in XY doesn´t make sense. you use cardioid microphones for XY. Maybe he should study more about polar patterns
Yes, you’re right. I think spacing them further apart would be more beneficial than where the mics are pointing.
Mixing L and R channel often produce awful results. I find that selecting one of the channel is better. Of course this iq something to taake into account if you only has sterro micq but wants a mono track for final result. Sadly, many recorde mix both channels but only has the internal pair of mics.
The distortion is obvious if you record a voice in a room with a good amount of reverb and the mics are at one meter (even less) of the source.
Are you speaking so hyper fast so you have less to edit?
slow down please. This seems intended for people getting into field recording like myself and your losing me real quick with the fast talk and technical lingo many of us probably dont have a full grasp of yet specially if we are here for a beginners type video.