There's a *lot* of structural cleverness going on here, and since I feel like the Emperor is one of those works (wonderful as it is) which is made about three times better if you know how it ticks (especially that audacious-to-the-point-of-becoming-ridiculous first movement), this is going to be a bit long: MVT I, Allegro, in Eb 00:00 - Introduction/cadenza (the scale built from leaping 4-note downward runs at 1:05 will become important). EXPOSITION I (Orchestra) 1:13 - Theme 1 (T1), made of 3 critical motifs in quick succession - a 3-note turn (M1), a 4-note descent (M2), and a very short dotted fanfare (M3). 1:35 - Transition Theme 1 (TrT1), built from M2 1:47 - TrT2 (the bass line returns later) 2:01 - TrT3 2:08 - T2 in Ebm, transformed immediately later into a lyrical passage (T2 Var.1) at 2:24 (listen especially to the French horns). In all of its recurrences T2 is always paired with a major version of itself. 2:39 - Transition, using M1 in the high and low strings. At 2:45, a brief syncopated octave line in the violins appears (M4), heralding the return of T1. T1 is diverted at 2:54 into a passage consisting of yet more instances of M1 strung together, decorated with M4 in all the woodwinds. The transition has its own little climax at 3:09, which is followed by an arpeggio descent made of M2 (expanded), with a wonderful entry of the trumpets/French horns in unison at 3:13. 3:16 - Cadential Theme 1 (CaT1), built off the passage at 1:05. 3:37 - CaT2, using M2 in every second bar. At 3:48 M3 enters and gradually grows more prominent. 3:52 - CaT3, which is actually a variant of TrT3! At 4:01, interrupted by M1, which in turns establishes a Bb7b9 chord over which the piano enters with a chromatic scale. EXPOSITION II (Piano) 4:17 - T1, broad, relaxed, lyrical. Diverted into a long fantasia-like passage. 4:47 - TrT1, orchestra 4:55 - TrT1, developed in the piano into a darkly syncopated version, modulating to Gb 5:07 - TrT2 in orchestra, piano with accompaniment 5:22 - Transition, built off inversion of 0:30 in the cadenza (lower chromatic neighbour tones there, upper neighbour tones here!) 5:33 - T2 Var.2, Bm., hushed and mystical, triplets. T2 Var.3 in B enters at 5:50. T2 Var.4, a sudden march in (unprepared) Bb, suddenly erupts in the orchestra at 6:11. 6:25 - Piano solo fill. At 6:36, a heavily modified TrT2 enters in the piano (note the rhythmic similarity), and is diverted into a downward scale. Call this TrT2*. 6:43 - M1 in RH, over LH chromatic descent. Sequential development. At 7:03, M4 appears in the RH, descending. M4 then moves into the clarinets/bassoon while the piano modulates. 7:21 - CaT1, in Cb. Note at 7:33 the orchestra’s material is based off a heavily augmented T2(!) 7:51 - M4 = variant of M3, in orchestra, with the piano providing diminished 7th arpeggios. At 7:58, the piano reiterates its opening RH chromatic scale, now joined by its LH counterpart from 6:43. 8:02 - T2 in orchestra, Bb. Follows pattern in expo 1, with CaT1 following an appearance (8:29). At 8:48, M3 in the horns, making a modulation to 8:51 - CaT3, in G. at 9:01, M3 fanfares and another chromatic scale leads into the DEVELOPMENT 9:12 - Trill on new tonic, followed by borrowed slow arpeggio texture from T2 Var.3 (9:16, cf 5:50). 9:32 - T1, Cm. M2 is now transformed into a long, partially chromatic descent in the woodwinds. Modulates to Gm, then into 10:02 - Development of M2 (in the orchestra(, initially in Fm. Modulates into 10:22 - M3 fanfare in Cb, leading into 10:35 - Extended parallel octave passage, interrupted/accompanied by M3. This passage is built off multiple things you’ve heard before - some combination of TrT2*’s octave descent (6:38), an inversion of the passage at 7:33, and the melodic contour of T1 (M3, followed by a descent - originally an Eb chord, now scales). 11:15 - CaT3, bright and lyrical, in G. Modulates using M1 in the orchestra (11:23) into Db/Eb, then pauses on a floating (rootless) Bb7b9 arpeggio (11:53), while M1 sneaks in via the low strings, eventually intensifying an taking over the texture. This leads into the RECAPITULATION 12:16 - opening cadenza, now measured and thickened with tumbling octaves. 13:03 - T1. At 13:14 (after the orchestra plays a noble, chorale-like version of the last phrase), it is finally joined by the piano, playing a free, almost improvisatory version of T1. The woodwinds softly insert M3 where the piano leaves it out. 13:43 - TrT2. 14:09 - T2, undergoing the same transformations as in Expo II (though note at 14:44 the modulation is now tone by a tone, rather than up a major 3rd). 15:20 - M1, as in Expo II 15:57 - CaT1 16:38 - T1, orchestra + piano interjections, building into the cadential 6/4 (17:04) - 17:10 - But the expected piano cadenza isn’t there (B. even writes “Do not play a cadenza” directly in the score). We get instead a short solo passage built off M1, diverting at 17:14 into a chromatic texture borrowed from the LH at 7:03. We pause on a dominant trill which suddenly changes mode, leading into 17:35 - T2 Var.5, the most delicate variant yet, beautifully followed by T2 Var.6 (17:53), the warmest variant (those French horns!). 18:10 - Transition, using M1, with descending chromatic scales in the piano leading into CODA 18:20 - T1, fully shared with the piano now. At 18:35, modulations enter, leading into 18:44 - The heart-stopping climactic statement of CaT2, heard only for the second time in the work. 18:59 - CaT3, leading into M3 (19:08). We get the piano’s opening chromatic scale yet again (19:15), now leading into a long sparkling descent. This brings us to the 19:33 - Final cadence, with M3 in the orchestra. MVT II, Adagio un poco moto, in B 20:07 - Theme 21:23 - Var.1. I’ll go out on a limb and say this is the saddest major scale written in all classical music. 22:36 - Var.2 in D. There’s a wonderful change in texture at 23:19 - Brahmsian all of a sudden, maybe even a bit harsh. And of course the hair-raising trills after. 24:12 - Var.3. Sounds to me compassionate, odd word though that may be. 25:07 - Var.4 (begins proper at 25:41, but the new texture enters earlier, so it feels like the variation starts here). Piano for the first time gains a little of its own momentum, becoming uplifting. 27:33 - Transition MVT III, Rondo, allegro ma non troppo, in Eb EXPOSITION 28:11 - [A SECTION] Theme 1. Such a fun thing - fat chords, brashly syncopated (basically hemiola-ized into ¾ ), and then the pungent chromatic sliding descent after (with the LH written to put an accent on the second quaver of each beat). 29:08 - Bridge 1 29:17 - Bridge 2 29:50 - [B SECTION] Theme 2, Bb 29:58 - Bridge 3. A bunch of I/V/IV chords, though made to sound haloed with brightness. At the end the b9 makes an appearance (30:13, highlighted by those treacherous two-octave leaps) in, recalling Mvt 1’s prominent use of the same colour. 30:19 - [A SECTION] Theme 1 DEVELOPMENT [C SECTION] 30:40 - Theme 1, Var.1, in Eb, modulating 31:18 - Theme 1, Var.2, in C, introducing a new tail in place of the original chromatic descent (31:29) which will be retained across remaining variations. Interesting to note how different this variant sounds from the original - deeper, more spacious, even though very little in the texture has changed. 31:50 - Theme 1, Var.3, in Ab. Lyrical, with chromatic elaboration. The new tail from the previous variation is retained. 32:35 - Theme 1, Var.4, in E. Arpeggio variant in RH. 32:57 - New developmental theme in Em, modulating. The orchestra from 33:08 onwards recalls the use of M3 from Mvt 1. Ends in a long dominant prolongation and a trill on Bb. 33:32 - A new variant of Theme 1 returns, revisiting the transition from the previous movement into this one (it’s possible also to read this section as a deceptive return of the recap, since it’s in the right key). RECAPITULATION 33:44 - [A SECTION] Theme 1 34:40 - Bridge 1 34:48 - Bridge 2 35:24 - [B SECTION] Theme 2, in Eb 35:32 - Bridge 3 CODA 35:53 - Theme 1 [A SECTION], now full shared between piano/orchestra. At 36:14, the first full statement of the theme by the orchestra. At 36:34, the piano takes over the melody, which becomes diverted into a new (and really lovely) descending closing statement (36:42). This gets elaborated between the orchestra/piano. The timpani starts softly echoing the defining rhythmic motif of this movement at 37:16, while the piano places a series of rising scales that eventually dissolve into soft, almost chorale-like chords. 37:35 - The last recollection of Theme 1 in the LH, while the timpani gently guides the music to a halt. 37:50 - Finale, recalling Bridge 1.
@@MaartenBauer he already does, but usually in the video description. I think he chose to not apply the analysis directly to the score because it could pollute and distract the viewer from the music itself.
@@MaartenBauer Yeah, but I'm pretty firmly set against that because I don't want this to be a channel of analysis videos. I want this to be a nothing much more than a "here, take a look at the score while you listen to a good recording" channel.
@@AshishXiangyiKumar Okay, thank you for the answer. Understandable even though I would love to then get separate analysis videos. I am really grateful that you do these videos anyway, keep up the good work. Greetings from NL!
One of my favorite moments in Beethoven's music is the transition into the Rondo: the held B goes down a half-step, a new theme starts tentatively, then leaps into the joyous Rondo. Makes my heart leap with joy every time I hear it.
This concerto has had a huge impact on me since my early ears as a listener of classical music. Among so many wonderful concertos it takes a top place aside with the second concerto of Brahms.
I remember watching/listening to this the first time. During the third movement I loved how Bernstein looked so happy conducting this piece. Makes me love it even more xD
The Emperor Concerto is one of my desert island picks. The first movement especially has such a perfect form and logic one thing following after another and then all wrapped up and tied with a bow. It gives me the chills every time.
Thank You for your wonderful commentary. It wasn't too long for me. :) I fell in love with this piece at age 15 many years ago listening to Wilhelm Kempff. It still remains my all time favorite with Rach 2. There is so much joy in this piece and such profound sorrow and beauty in the middle. Beethoven's compositional process with the 2nd movement went through change after change until he finally wrote what we have today. It was fascinating his trial and error process of getting it just right. Grimaud's playing is wonderful here.
Just listened to Helmchen. Would not have appreciated the articulation without your spotlight on it. The ensemble with the orchestra was astonishing at times! Can I possibly stand this level of great music so soon again? We'll see. BTW, you clearly have yet to embrace the concept of an all benevolent emperor. Of course, so did Beethoven. Thanks for the great music!
Am I the only one who kinda imagines storylines when listening to music? In this Beethoven concerto, theres this passage where I always imagine myself an kinda stupid scene: 11:15 A woman and her husband, sound asleep under the bedsheets. 11:23 (Opening her eyes) "What's that noise?" 11:28 Husband: "Honey, it's probably nothing. Go back to sleep." 11:32 "If you say so..." (Closing her eyes) 11:36 "No but seriously, what's that noise downstairs?" 11:39 (Groaning) "Honey, it's nothing! Really." 11:42 Starting to sleep once again 11:46 No but actually this is stressing me out I need to go check 11:53 Tiptoeing down the stairs, in the dark... 11:58 (Hearing the cellos) What's that noise in the kitchen? 12:05 Opening the door, the woman sees a vague shadow... 12:07 The shadow starts moving, approaching the woman...! 12:11 The shadow LEAPS 12:16 "Mom, it's just me!" 12:18 "Oh my god! I was so scared!" 12:21 The son's echoing laughs 12:26 (Chord) Scolding her child for scaring her at 2AM... 12:27 What a relief ! 12:30 The son's laughs echoing again 12:35 (Chord) I swear, if you do that again... 12:37 Back up the stairs, the woman enters her bedroom 12:49 Sliding under the bedsheets... 12:55 "What a fright that was!" 12:57 Closing her eyes once again...
Interesting that typically when you upload a video with multiple performances the first performance gets significantly more views, but, after uploading these two as separate videos, the second performance gets over three times the views.
Wow thats interesting.. How about creating new music and having more composers instead of talking about a god damn interpreter playing a fuc** triplet or a fuck*** whatever the f*** No wonder nobody cares about this music anymore
You're killing it, with two great uploads at the same time - thank you and please continue! I love this execution, even though I grew up with the Pollini/Böhm version in my ears, and for me it's the best, in particular the Rondo (ruclips.net/video/gKRZRROJk6E/видео.html), which I've never heard done in a more breathless way.
i love this concerto's climax that here starts from 9:30 and climaxes almost 1 min later, but grimaud has no power for such passage listen to zimerman or something
Kumar, thanks so much for this analysis! But I'm confused by 8:02 (in mvt 1) being marked as "T2 in orchestra." This sounds instead like what happens at 2:39 "Transition, using M1 in the high and low strings."
I have a hard time telling what the best part of this experience has been. The piano of Hélène Grimaud, The Staatskapelle Dresden Orchestra, Beethoven, or the analysis by Ashish Xiangy Kumar. How about Merci beacoup to everyone.
Most people believe that Beethoven's Emperor Concerto is a masterpiece. However, if it is said to be great, then what other works is it better than? There are too many opinions that give no clear reason. I think that the reason is that there is no work worthy of comparison. The only thing that can be compared is Beethoven's own Fourth Concerto in G major. I feel very lonely. When it comes to Chopin's concertos, Kalkbrenner's and Hummel's concertos are not that different. Schumann's is also good at writing the orchestra, and Grieg makes use of the Nordic sentiment to clearly express his hometown. Liszt also uses the German depth of thought and the complexity of technique to make the interaction with the orchestra enjoyable. Composers who were disciples of Beethoven would be Schubert, Ries, and Czerny. Schubert was not interested in the concerto form, and there is no chance to hear Ries and Czerny's works in concert. I have not come across any recordings of the piece. I would like to read reviews that talk about the greatness of the Emperor Concerto from the standpoint of compositional technique and piano playing technique, not just from the subjective standpoint of liking it. By the way, I am just a Japanese dilettante of Western classical music.
I heard Brendel play this in the 1908s. It was fantastic, clear, crisp, understated at times, bucolic at others, the tempi were perfect in my opinion, it was very different from this version, which I really do not like.
In all fairness to Hélène Grimaud, but her Mozart and Beethoven interpretations don't really satisfy. She uses way too much pedal, her articulation isn't crisp enough... she lacks a certain clarity in the way she's playing which is so important for the pieces of the first viennese school... This may be an unpopular opinion but this comes from someone whose favourite interpretations of the Beethoven concerti come from Mitsuko Uchida.
With all due respect, Mitsuko is nowhere near Beethoven, and her Mozart is pretty shallow if you ask me. Her renditions make me feel as if she takes the score at face value. Grimaud's grittiness is precisely the way to go about Beethoven. To make the music well articulated will introduce a kind of lightness which is not suited for Beethoven's works. Any musician would know that a Beethoven leggiero would sound heavier than a Mozart full legato. You just cannot put their pianistic approaches in the same mould.
@@Mohabpiano It's always enlightening to read differing perspectives from folks who are clearly well informed and passionate, along with being respectful. From my perspective as a pianist of over 40 years, I'm always humbled by the astonishing capabilities of the great players and try to appreciate the diversities in their approaches though of course I have my own favourites. As the new crop of artists emerges one has to have some openness as they find their voice so as to embrace them (which is entirely irrelevant to this particular thread I know!). Regards from Sydney, Aust - Dave
@@deldridg Indeed, we must all try to appreciate what every artist is bringing to a piece. I find it exhilarating that these works can sound fresh under the hands of emerging artists. But care must be taken, the recording industry led to a deviation from score pondering and a path towards mainstream renditions. The artist of today must consult the score and only the score, and only listen to other pianists to understand their different approaches, not in attempt to understand the piece itself.
There's a *lot* of structural cleverness going on here, and since I feel like the Emperor is one of those works (wonderful as it is) which is made about three times better if you know how it ticks (especially that audacious-to-the-point-of-becoming-ridiculous first movement), this is going to be a bit long:
MVT I, Allegro, in Eb
00:00 - Introduction/cadenza (the scale built from leaping 4-note downward runs at 1:05 will become important).
EXPOSITION I (Orchestra)
1:13 - Theme 1 (T1), made of 3 critical motifs in quick succession - a 3-note turn (M1), a 4-note descent (M2), and a very short dotted fanfare (M3).
1:35 - Transition Theme 1 (TrT1), built from M2
1:47 - TrT2 (the bass line returns later)
2:01 - TrT3
2:08 - T2 in Ebm, transformed immediately later into a lyrical passage (T2 Var.1) at 2:24 (listen especially to the French horns). In all of its recurrences T2 is always paired with a major version of itself.
2:39 - Transition, using M1 in the high and low strings. At 2:45, a brief syncopated octave line in the violins appears (M4), heralding the return of T1. T1 is diverted at 2:54 into a passage consisting of yet more instances of M1 strung together, decorated with M4 in all the woodwinds. The transition has its own little climax at 3:09, which is followed by an arpeggio descent made of M2 (expanded), with a wonderful entry of the trumpets/French horns in unison at 3:13.
3:16 - Cadential Theme 1 (CaT1), built off the passage at 1:05.
3:37 - CaT2, using M2 in every second bar. At 3:48 M3 enters and gradually grows more prominent.
3:52 - CaT3, which is actually a variant of TrT3! At 4:01, interrupted by M1, which in turns establishes a Bb7b9 chord over which the piano enters with a chromatic scale.
EXPOSITION II (Piano)
4:17 - T1, broad, relaxed, lyrical. Diverted into a long fantasia-like passage.
4:47 - TrT1, orchestra
4:55 - TrT1, developed in the piano into a darkly syncopated version, modulating to Gb
5:07 - TrT2 in orchestra, piano with accompaniment
5:22 - Transition, built off inversion of 0:30 in the cadenza (lower chromatic neighbour tones there, upper neighbour tones here!)
5:33 - T2 Var.2, Bm., hushed and mystical, triplets. T2 Var.3 in B enters at 5:50. T2 Var.4, a sudden march in (unprepared) Bb, suddenly erupts in the orchestra at 6:11.
6:25 - Piano solo fill. At 6:36, a heavily modified TrT2 enters in the piano (note the rhythmic similarity), and is diverted into a downward scale. Call this TrT2*.
6:43 - M1 in RH, over LH chromatic descent. Sequential development. At 7:03, M4 appears in the RH, descending. M4 then moves into the clarinets/bassoon while the piano modulates.
7:21 - CaT1, in Cb. Note at 7:33 the orchestra’s material is based off a heavily augmented T2(!)
7:51 - M4 = variant of M3, in orchestra, with the piano providing diminished 7th arpeggios. At 7:58, the piano reiterates its opening RH chromatic scale, now joined by its LH counterpart from 6:43.
8:02 - T2 in orchestra, Bb. Follows pattern in expo 1, with CaT1 following an appearance (8:29). At 8:48, M3 in the horns, making a modulation to
8:51 - CaT3, in G. at 9:01, M3 fanfares and another chromatic scale leads into the
DEVELOPMENT
9:12 - Trill on new tonic, followed by borrowed slow arpeggio texture from T2 Var.3 (9:16, cf 5:50).
9:32 - T1, Cm. M2 is now transformed into a long, partially chromatic descent in the woodwinds. Modulates to Gm, then into
10:02 - Development of M2 (in the orchestra(, initially in Fm. Modulates into
10:22 - M3 fanfare in Cb, leading into
10:35 - Extended parallel octave passage, interrupted/accompanied by M3. This passage is built off multiple things you’ve heard before - some combination of TrT2*’s octave descent (6:38), an inversion of the passage at 7:33, and the melodic contour of T1 (M3, followed by a descent - originally an Eb chord, now scales).
11:15 - CaT3, bright and lyrical, in G. Modulates using M1 in the orchestra (11:23) into Db/Eb, then pauses on a floating (rootless) Bb7b9 arpeggio (11:53), while M1 sneaks in via the low strings, eventually intensifying an taking over the texture. This leads into the
RECAPITULATION
12:16 - opening cadenza, now measured and thickened with tumbling octaves.
13:03 - T1. At 13:14 (after the orchestra plays a noble, chorale-like version of the last phrase), it is finally joined by the piano, playing a free, almost improvisatory version of T1. The woodwinds softly insert M3 where the piano leaves it out.
13:43 - TrT2.
14:09 - T2, undergoing the same transformations as in Expo II (though note at 14:44 the modulation is now tone by a tone, rather than up a major 3rd).
15:20 - M1, as in Expo II
15:57 - CaT1
16:38 - T1, orchestra + piano interjections, building into the cadential 6/4 (17:04) -
17:10 - But the expected piano cadenza isn’t there (B. even writes “Do not play a cadenza” directly in the score). We get instead a short solo passage built off M1, diverting at 17:14 into a chromatic texture borrowed from the LH at 7:03. We pause on a dominant trill which suddenly changes mode, leading into
17:35 - T2 Var.5, the most delicate variant yet, beautifully followed by T2 Var.6 (17:53), the warmest variant (those French horns!).
18:10 - Transition, using M1, with descending chromatic scales in the piano leading into
CODA
18:20 - T1, fully shared with the piano now. At 18:35, modulations enter, leading into
18:44 - The heart-stopping climactic statement of CaT2, heard only for the second time in the work.
18:59 - CaT3, leading into M3 (19:08). We get the piano’s opening chromatic scale yet again (19:15), now leading into a long sparkling descent. This brings us to the
19:33 - Final cadence, with M3 in the orchestra.
MVT II, Adagio un poco moto, in B
20:07 - Theme
21:23 - Var.1. I’ll go out on a limb and say this is the saddest major scale written in all classical music.
22:36 - Var.2 in D. There’s a wonderful change in texture at 23:19 - Brahmsian all of a sudden, maybe even a bit harsh. And of course the hair-raising trills after.
24:12 - Var.3. Sounds to me compassionate, odd word though that may be.
25:07 - Var.4 (begins proper at 25:41, but the new texture enters earlier, so it feels like the variation starts here). Piano for the first time gains a little of its own momentum, becoming uplifting.
27:33 - Transition
MVT III, Rondo, allegro ma non troppo, in Eb
EXPOSITION
28:11 - [A SECTION] Theme 1. Such a fun thing - fat chords, brashly syncopated (basically hemiola-ized into ¾ ), and then the pungent chromatic sliding descent after (with the LH written to put an accent on the second quaver of each beat).
29:08 - Bridge 1
29:17 - Bridge 2
29:50 - [B SECTION] Theme 2, Bb
29:58 - Bridge 3. A bunch of I/V/IV chords, though made to sound haloed with brightness. At the end the b9 makes an appearance (30:13, highlighted by those treacherous two-octave leaps) in, recalling Mvt 1’s prominent use of the same colour.
30:19 - [A SECTION] Theme 1
DEVELOPMENT [C SECTION]
30:40 - Theme 1, Var.1, in Eb, modulating
31:18 - Theme 1, Var.2, in C, introducing a new tail in place of the original chromatic descent (31:29) which will be retained across remaining variations. Interesting to note how different this variant sounds from the original - deeper, more spacious, even though very little in the texture has changed.
31:50 - Theme 1, Var.3, in Ab. Lyrical, with chromatic elaboration. The new tail from the previous variation is retained.
32:35 - Theme 1, Var.4, in E. Arpeggio variant in RH.
32:57 - New developmental theme in Em, modulating. The orchestra from 33:08 onwards recalls the use of M3 from Mvt 1. Ends in a long dominant prolongation and a trill on Bb.
33:32 - A new variant of Theme 1 returns, revisiting the transition from the previous movement into this one (it’s possible also to read this section as a deceptive return of the recap, since it’s in the right key).
RECAPITULATION
33:44 - [A SECTION] Theme 1
34:40 - Bridge 1
34:48 - Bridge 2
35:24 - [B SECTION] Theme 2, in Eb
35:32 - Bridge 3
CODA
35:53 - Theme 1 [A SECTION], now full shared between piano/orchestra. At 36:14, the first full statement of the theme by the orchestra. At 36:34, the piano takes over the melody, which becomes diverted into a new (and really lovely) descending closing statement (36:42). This gets elaborated between the orchestra/piano. The timpani starts softly echoing the defining rhythmic motif of this movement at 37:16, while the piano places a series of rising scales that eventually dissolve into soft, almost chorale-like chords.
37:35 - The last recollection of Theme 1 in the LH, while the timpani gently guides the music to a halt.
37:50 - Finale, recalling Bridge 1.
Now I get the headache
Edit: thank you for this wonderful analysis
Have you thought of implementing your analyses in the score videos? I think that makes everything much clearer...
@@MaartenBauer he already does, but usually in the video description. I think he chose to not apply the analysis directly to the score because it could pollute and distract the viewer from the music itself.
@@MaartenBauer Yeah, but I'm pretty firmly set against that because I don't want this to be a channel of analysis videos. I want this to be a nothing much more than a "here, take a look at the score while you listen to a good recording" channel.
@@AshishXiangyiKumar Okay, thank you for the answer. Understandable even though I would love to then get separate analysis videos. I am really grateful that you do these videos anyway, keep up the good work. Greetings from NL!
00:00 - Mvt 1, Allegro
20:07 - Mvt 2, Adagio un poco moto
28:10 - Mvt 3, Rondo, Allegro ma non troppo
When was it recorded please ?
@@OuaghlaniAlaa December 2006
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One of my favorite moments in Beethoven's music is the transition into the Rondo: the held B goes down a half-step, a new theme starts tentatively, then leaps into the joyous Rondo. Makes my heart leap with joy every time I hear it.
My favourite of the 5 concerti. The 1st movement is so heroic, the 2nd so beautiful, and the 3rd so joyous.
All my life I've been transfixed by the adagio - the opening is so simple and so ethereal. What Beethoven does with simple, single descending notes.
This concerto has had a huge impact on me since my early ears as a listener of classical music. Among so many wonderful concertos it takes a top place aside with the second concerto of Brahms.
I remember watching/listening to this the first time. During the third movement I loved how Bernstein looked so happy conducting this piece. Makes me love it even more xD
This concerto had a huge influence on me. I learned so many tips & tricks in the double-exposition form from it!
Are you moroccan?
@@zakazaka4459 No
The perfect balance between the piano and orchestra. What an amazing piano concerto!
I really love the fat chords starting at 10:26, it just sounds incredible!
we love some *thicc bois*
The octaves that follow it are the first such usage of this texture in piano writing.
@@calebhu6383 Beethoven piano sonata no. 7
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Thanks for uploading! This is surely one of the best renditions of the 5th concerto I've ever listened to!
The Emperor Concerto is one of my desert island picks. The first movement especially has such a perfect form and logic one thing following after another and then all wrapped up and tied with a bow. It gives me the chills every time.
19:52 19:53
Nice, have been waiting for this one.
Btw the way Grimaud captures the passage at 17:34 is absolutely unique and spectacular.
Magical yet a bit stressing.
17:37
17:44
17:50
17:51
When you first hear 20:37 to 21:08 its beauty is staggering, but what is almost as beautiful is the immediately following bars.
I absolutely love that ALL of Beethoven's music ends with massive catastrophic head and brain injury.
Thank You for your wonderful commentary. It wasn't too long for me. :)
I fell in love with this piece at age 15 many years ago listening to Wilhelm Kempff. It still remains my all time favorite with Rach 2. There is so much joy in this piece and such profound sorrow and beauty in the middle. Beethoven's compositional process with the 2nd movement went through change after change until he finally wrote what we have today. It was fascinating his trial and error process of getting it just right. Grimaud's playing is wonderful here.
masterpiece
Just listened to Helmchen. Would not have appreciated the articulation without your spotlight on it. The ensemble with the orchestra was astonishing at times! Can I possibly stand this level of great music so soon again? We'll see. BTW, you clearly have yet to embrace the concept of an all benevolent emperor. Of course, so did Beethoven. Thanks for the great music!
Great analysis, as usual. Would love an upload of the full Chopin PC 1.
6:11 is the most powerful part un this concerto, I still remember the first time i heard ir
no the climax is that part at 9:30 and ends some moments later with chords
Gawd, this is gorgeous music... delicious.
Jurowski! I love his interpretations.
-[00:00] I movent
Allegro
-[20:07] II movement
Adagio un poco moto
-[28:10] III movement
Allegro ma non troppo
5:48 held me in a strange limp euphoric state until it got more intense.
This is a great rendition from Grimaud! The way she plays it does indeed sound very Brahmsian, given her background with the composer!
Thanks for uploading!
Thanks so much for the sheet music.
Am I the only one who kinda imagines storylines when listening to music? In this Beethoven concerto, theres this passage where I always imagine myself an kinda stupid scene:
11:15 A woman and her husband, sound asleep under the bedsheets.
11:23 (Opening her eyes) "What's that noise?"
11:28 Husband: "Honey, it's probably nothing. Go back to sleep."
11:32 "If you say so..." (Closing her eyes)
11:36 "No but seriously, what's that noise downstairs?"
11:39 (Groaning) "Honey, it's nothing! Really."
11:42 Starting to sleep once again
11:46 No but actually this is stressing me out I need to go check
11:53 Tiptoeing down the stairs, in the dark...
11:58 (Hearing the cellos) What's that noise in the kitchen?
12:05 Opening the door, the woman sees a vague shadow...
12:07 The shadow starts moving, approaching the woman...!
12:11 The shadow LEAPS
12:16 "Mom, it's just me!"
12:18 "Oh my god! I was so scared!"
12:21 The son's echoing laughs
12:26 (Chord) Scolding her child for scaring her at 2AM...
12:27 What a relief !
12:30 The son's laughs echoing again
12:35 (Chord) I swear, if you do that again...
12:37 Back up the stairs, the woman enters her bedroom
12:49 Sliding under the bedsheets...
12:55 "What a fright that was!"
12:57 Closing her eyes once again...
That put the biggest smile on my face. Love it
Cute.
I had to reply this is the cutest interpretation I’ve ever seen on this concerto, thank you!
FROM THE BEGINNING
I always wondered if Bernstein stole the melody from West Side Story's "Somewhere" from the 2nd movement :)
Interesting that typically when you upload a video with multiple performances the first performance gets significantly more views, but, after uploading these two as separate videos, the second performance gets over three times the views.
"Not that uncommon these days, actually, but Grimaud takes the opening arpeggio with measured tuplets."
I only heard Glenn Gould doing that before.
Wow thats interesting..
How about creating new music and having more composers instead of talking about a god damn interpreter playing a fuc** triplet or a fuck*** whatever the f***
No wonder nobody cares about this music anymore
@@ignacioclerici5341 u ok?
@@jagp135 i dont think so
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Great, ashtonishing !!!... But dont forget the Robert Cassadesus performances
Soothing...thank you...
i love you, ashish
My second favorite concerto apart from concerto no3.....
Good afternoon.
It's absolutely perfect concert for piano. I like it ❤
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You're killing it, with two great uploads at the same time - thank you and please continue!
I love this execution, even though I grew up with the Pollini/Böhm version in my ears, and for me it's the best, in particular the Rondo (ruclips.net/video/gKRZRROJk6E/видео.html), which I've never heard done in a more breathless way.
Interesting, patient phrasing
i love this concerto's climax that here starts from 9:30 and climaxes almost 1 min later, but grimaud has no power for such passage
listen to zimerman or something
Zimerman is overrated piece of garbage.
26:26 - 26:48
en passant
Kumar, thanks so much for this analysis! But I'm confused by 8:02 (in mvt 1) being marked as "T2 in orchestra." This sounds instead like what happens at 2:39 "Transition, using M1 in the high and low strings."
I have a hard time telling what the best part of this experience has been. The piano of Hélène Grimaud, The Staatskapelle Dresden Orchestra, Beethoven, or the analysis by Ashish Xiangy Kumar.
How about Merci beacoup to everyone.
Прекрасная музыка из Бетховен!!
This is what I heard in a concert.
Com Beethoven a textura eleva-se. É um grande prazer escutar acuradamente as tantas jogadas harmônicas, rítmicas melódicas e orquestrais enfim.
4:07
20:07
28:11
19:18
17:32. 💕💕💕
♾️. 🌼
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이런곡 작곡한베토벤도 대단하다
Any chance of an upload on Pogorelich’s performance of Chopin’s 3rd Piano Sonata? It’s one of the best performances I’ve ever heard.
What kind of instrument is "Bl"? What does it stand for?
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Most people believe that Beethoven's Emperor Concerto is a masterpiece. However, if it is said to be great, then what other works is it better than? There are too many opinions that give no clear reason. I think that the reason is that there is no work worthy of comparison. The only thing that can be compared is Beethoven's own Fourth Concerto in G major. I feel very lonely.
When it comes to Chopin's concertos, Kalkbrenner's and Hummel's concertos are not that different. Schumann's is also good at writing the orchestra, and Grieg makes use of the Nordic sentiment to clearly express his hometown. Liszt also uses the German depth of thought and the complexity of technique to make the interaction with the orchestra enjoyable.
Composers who were disciples of Beethoven would be Schubert, Ries, and Czerny. Schubert was not interested in the concerto form, and there is no chance to hear Ries and Czerny's works in concert. I have not come across any recordings of the piece.
I would like to read reviews that talk about the greatness of the Emperor Concerto from the standpoint of compositional technique and piano playing technique, not just from the subjective standpoint of liking it.
By the way, I am just a Japanese dilettante of Western classical music.
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I heard Brendel play this in the 1908s. It was fantastic, clear, crisp, understated at times, bucolic at others, the tempi were perfect in my opinion, it was very different from this version, which I really do not like.
It's so perfect that looks like a sin
In all fairness to Hélène Grimaud, but her Mozart and Beethoven interpretations don't really satisfy. She uses way too much pedal, her articulation isn't crisp enough... she lacks a certain clarity in the way she's playing which is so important for the pieces of the first viennese school... This may be an unpopular opinion but this comes from someone whose favourite interpretations of the Beethoven concerti come from Mitsuko Uchida.
With all due respect, Mitsuko is nowhere near Beethoven, and her Mozart is pretty shallow if you ask me. Her renditions make me feel as if she takes the score at face value.
Grimaud's grittiness is precisely the way to go about Beethoven. To make the music well articulated will introduce a kind of lightness which is not suited for Beethoven's works. Any musician would know that a Beethoven leggiero would sound heavier than a Mozart full legato. You just cannot put their pianistic approaches in the same mould.
@@Mohabpiano It's always enlightening to read differing perspectives from folks who are clearly well informed and passionate, along with being respectful. From my perspective as a pianist of over 40 years, I'm always humbled by the astonishing capabilities of the great players and try to appreciate the diversities in their approaches though of course I have my own favourites. As the new crop of artists emerges one has to have some openness as they find their voice so as to embrace them (which is entirely irrelevant to this particular thread I know!). Regards from Sydney, Aust - Dave
My favorite Beethoven Concerto will always be Zimerman
@@deldridg Indeed, we must all try to appreciate what every artist is bringing to a piece. I find it exhilarating that these works can sound fresh under the hands of emerging artists.
But care must be taken, the recording industry led to a deviation from score pondering and a path towards mainstream renditions. The artist of today must consult the score and only the score, and only listen to other pianists to understand their different approaches, not in attempt to understand the piece itself.
It is too Brahmsian, to be honest... 😂
Who is name this opera ???????????
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justin bieber - the shape of you
Beethoven's Emperor Concerto
@@dominicfiacco no it's not