I think what makes Eli’s 2 rings carry a ton of weight is that they were against Brady, Bill, and the Patriots - arguably the greatest dynasty in the league. That would be like if someone like Baker Mayfield beat the Chiefs TWICE in their prime
It's also about the playoff wins against farve in green Bay in one of the coldest games ever. Beating the 49ers with that defense in San Francisco and beating Aaron Rodgers in green bay
@@GeordieHalma Foles didn’t beat them TWICE, that’s the difference. Or are you being purposely facetious? Most likely, you don’t know any better. Please let the grown ups talk, little boy 👶🏻🫢
The Giants defense beat New England, they held that team to season lows in the Superbowl. That undefeated Patriots team averages 37 a game, Giants defense held them to 14. Eli was solid but make no mistake that team was lead by and defense first.
@@hitek9too255 the offense in those superbowls scored points the defense in both Superbowl scored 2 points off a safety, Eli had to score points or they would've lost, the Giants defense were good but nowhere near great
What can't be discounted is all the trash the Giants put around Eli post 2011.. Who was the big play maker? Who was the RB? The O Line garbage. Eli has 2 rings with 2 SB MVP's beating the GOAT twice.. And he's a Manning. He's in..
@@christiansoldier77 Giants won what with those guys in the last few years? Look at Eli Manning's career and where are the HOF guys he played with? 1 in Strahan who was at the tail end and he was on defense, that's it.. Beckham won't sniff the hall and neither will Barkley outside of him going off in Philly for like 4 years straight.. Take a look at the Giants offense in 2011.. Victor Cruz and Ahmed Bradshaw.. Eli won a ring and beat the GOAT with that son. Let that sink in... Giants have been literally trying to fix the O line since 2012.. Not kidding..
Jim Plunkett better get in the HOF then if Eli does. His career is very similar to Eli. They just put McMichael in, so honestly I think they’ll put anyone in now if you had a decent pro career. The standard of being an all time great isn’t the standard anymore. It’s were you good for awhile, cool we put you in the HOF then. Total bs. If you have to have discussions like this then your not a hall of famer.
First off, Mongo is a 5 time All Pro, member of the All 80's Decade team, and a Superbowl Champ from one of the most legendary teams of all time. He also had 95 sacks. Only DTs with more are Randle, Donald, Sapp, Whiite, Lilly and Olsen. You said they will let anyone with a decent career in? If thats true, then how come Torry Holt Jimmy Smith Jessie Tuggle Joey Browner Todd Christiansen(RIP) Richmond Webb Simeon Rice Carnell Lake Tim McDonald Joey Porter Robert Mathis Etc, havent been inducted?
I think Martin Weiss makes the most compelling argument for Eli Manning, and why I think he deserves in the HOF. Some guys have Hall of Fame talent, just undeniable talent, they were just better than everyone else. Some guys have Hall of Fame moments where you just can't believe they pulled it off. You watched every down and you still can't believe it. lol
That's literally ALL he has to hang his hat on..made 2 pro bowls in 15 years. Never won a playoff game outside of those two runs lol never win a playoff game without a top 5 defense or run game..NOBODY IS GONNA TELL ME that any average qb couldnt have gotten them 17 points if that defense held the pats to 14 points..is this the hall of fame or the hall of two game winning drives?
Never liked that you can’t tell the story without *insert player* reasoning. I can definitely tell the story without guys like Adrian Peterson Jim Kelly Julio Jones Julius Peppers but they’re hall of famers no doubt. Surprisingly, I like Skip Bayless reason for who is a hall of famer which is if you have to think about it they’re probably not a hall of famer
Andre Johnson is a HOF , his career for the Texans putting up a 1000+ yards double covered with his best QB being Matt Schaub while he was playing 😂. Broussard is tweaking 😳
@@soda8736 Jim Kelly I can maybe tell i’ll give you that since the Bills are infamous with the worst SB streak ever. But AP i can go without mentioning him even with his MVP. Just like how I can go without mentioning Cam, Matt Ryan and Shaun Alexander. AP just never supreme success from a team standpoint. In my opinion if someone were to tell the story of the NFL the chapters would be based on (1) dynasties or a legendary team for a single year such as the greatest show on turf or 2000s Ravens (2) The most legendary players. I’m talking like top 25 ever (3) The most legendary of coaches
Eli's pass to Manningham in the second Giants/ Patriots SB was one of top three passes in SB history. Eli was great for 2 SB runs and a serviceable QB in the toughest media market!!
Eli also lead the league in interceptions 3 times. He didn’t even have to lead the league in pass attempts any of those years to do it either. To me it’s cut and dry… are you one of the best players to ever play as a totality. Not just a couple moments. If you have to think about it or if the answer is no, like Eli’s case, then you don’t get in. To put him in with the likes of Jerry Rice, Deion Sanders, Reggie White, Emmitt Smith, Tom Brady, Lawrence Taylor, or even is own brother is completely absurd to me. He absolutely isn’t one of the best pound for pound players I’ve ever witnessed and it ain’t even close. The NFL making an exception for him just dilutes the greatest of what the HOF is supposed to be about.
Tells us the media is trash. Eli is a clear as day hofer lol yall are trying to move the goal post like bums, he is going in the hall... much deservedly, whether momos want him to or notmeans nothing thankfully.
Eli is the worst notable starting QB from his era next to Jay Cutler. His only case for the hof is that his team won a super bowl against the patriots twice and if that's your case then u are not worthy of the hof. Season in season out he was either bad or mediocre. The only rarity of him having a good season was young Odell
@@z-mane1438except the premise of “he’s a manning so he deserves to be in” is horseshit. Sports are supposed to be the purest form of a meritocracy as we have.
If eli manning is a hall of famer then a bunch of super bowl winners are hall of famers. Other than the 2 super bowl runs he didnt win anything, no mvp's, i think only 1 playoff win, and was a compiler because he was healthy enough. If he is in, phillip rivers is in because he was a better qb.
“Other than the 2 super bowl runs” is doing a LOT of heavy lifting in your argument 😂 I mean, sure. He won 2 super bowls alongside 2 Super Bowl MVPs. But pfffft… other than that.. what has he done? 😆😆😆
Manning is not a First ballot HOFer, but he should be in. He will be a first ballot tho because he's a manning and the nfl's nose is firmly up every manning's ass
You forgot to mention one of those Super Bowl runs ended in the biggest upset in American sports history, and was inarguably the most improbable run of all time. It was an actual movie. Dallas was a powerhouse, Green Bay was a powerhouse, and the patriots were undefeated. And they went on the road and beat them all. That’s just one playoff run. Not to mention they did it AGAIN four years later.
One thing i hate about sports is the individual praise for Team effort and work. Better off putting that Giants Defense in than Eli.With that being said No Eli should not be in the HOF yet he probably will get in. You might As well put Matthew Stafford in the hall as well.
@@almostdone09 the Giants had a top 10 defense 1 time in eli's playing career how is that hall of fame defense? The Giants defense are not mentioned with the all time defenses in the NFL history, the Patriots had better defense in those superbowls but Eli still had to score
@@kevinstewart8054 he went 8 touchdowns to 1 interception in the playoffs that same season, and if you watched that season a lot of the interception wasn't because of him
@@Kam-f6bthe giants were an all time great defense in those playoffs run u do not win superbowl for the regular season. Check the stats the qb their held under 20 points .
Heres my question take Mahommes and Brady and Bradshaw and Montana out and I tell you you’ll get a guy who’ll play 16 years never miss a start get you to the playoffs 6 times and 2 chips. Who’s NOT signing up for that? Y’all think it’s easy to win it’s not.
@@bern717 you’re welcome, the internet is full of stupid people. I’m a Detroit lions fan I’d eat an elephant 🐘 for a quarter back with his resume. And 29 other franchises would too.
2 Time superbowl mvp against Tom Brady the greatest of all time and one of the greatest teams of football history yes he deserves to be in hall of fame he beat the packers twice at home Roger's and Brett another 2 hof guys give Eli the respect he deserves
This aint rocket science he won 2 superbowls as the starting qb and won superbowl mvp and 4x pro bowler no QB with these accolades is not in the hall of fame
Eli isnt a all time great QB, he was average, however he is a 2 time SB winner and he did it in NYC. He had it when he won his 2nd SB against Tom Brady and the undefeated Patriots. That should get him in the HOF.
Eli Manning will be a Hall of Famer he started every game avoided major injuries beat Tom Brady twice not too many players can say they beat brady twice in the playoffs
The Hall of Fame is supposed to tell the story of the game, and you can tell the tale of the NFL without Eli Manning. He's a legend for beating Tom Brady TWICE in the Super Bowl.
Ppl forget how they used to say just make it to one to solidify ur mark..but now everyone says one isnt enough for anything..standards have drastically changed..the nfl is just like highschool football, (the same teams always win) good n bad organizations..its clear to see..im from Houston and this is the best roster we ever had..(as far as seeking players)..luckily watt n johnson were drafted here..so they dont count..foster was on the practice team n lucked up..we too cheap..so if u wanna win u gotta pay
Gotta love that a top 10ish at their position while they played level player can get put over the top by 4 months of semi elite play despite the other 15 years of above average to good play
You can't tell the story of the nfl without Andre Johnson because when they ask who's the Texans all time rec leader and greatest wr you would have to say blank, and i aint tlkin Arthur 😂
He definitely shouldn’t be, but Peyton is going to try and get him in. No way he’s a HOFer. If Eli gets in then they are weighting too much on superbowls. Which is a team award. If Eli gets in then a bunch of other QBs should get in.
@@greggibson33 exactly, but I’ve heard people in the media say “of course Eli is gonna get in”. How does that make sense? Eli can’t hold a candle to Russell Wilson as a player.
All the numbers aside, and the patriot Super Bowl spoiler, Eli was probably the best quarterback in the last 2 minutes of the game for a large chunk of his career. I’d give him the hall of fame
Eli played 16 years and had a top 10 defense once in 16 years and no other quarterback that played in tom Brady's era has more Superbowl wins than Eli Manning and of course he's hof
I wouldn't vote him in first ballot that's for sure(he'll probably go in next year anyways bc of his last name, and bc his older brother got in first ballot), and bc he beat the team most consider to be the greatest dynasty in the history of professional 🏈 twice on the biggest stage in the sport(Superbowl 42 and Superbowl 46). He was 2x Superbowl MVP Finished his career with an overall record 117-117(.500 winning percentage) Never was an all pro QB Never won a regular season MVP award Led the league in INTs 3x Finished his career with an extremely mediocre 1.5 TD:INT ratio Finished his career with a passer rating of 84 Finished his career with a a career completion percentage of 60% Never led the league in completion percentage, ypa, passing yards, passing touchdowns, or passer rating in his entire 16 year career. Eli Manning finished among the top 10 in passer rating only once (he was seventh in 2011). OVERRATED AND NOT A HOFER!!!
Postseason record for passing yards in 2011, still holds up to this day. Then beat the patriots for the 2nd time in 4 years. Oh, that 2008 bowl, beat the 18-0 pats. Sorry, why is this still even a convo? I get it, he is mostly an average QB but still, when it matters most, He is THAT GUY.
Eli Manning won 2 Super Bowls, 2 Super Bowl MVP's, beat the GOAT twice (once could be a fluke), and literally beat a perfect team. This is not even a question.
Eli didn’t even have a 4K season until after he won his first super bowl. Same with Brady. But I think beating Brady twice put pushed the needle for his greatness as well as always winning the SB mvp. Have to give him credit because even if he wasn’t top 5 in league in both those seasons He didn’t play crappy in those SB games where it mattered even if he was middle of the pack and not the best in stats.
At this point, Eli. The purpose of playing is to win championships. He beat the Goat twice in the Super Bowl, and he won 2 MVPS in the Super Bowl against Belichick's defense on game winning drives in the final minute of the 4th quarter.
During Eli career as a NYGiants. How many allpro TE did he had? Compare Eli supporting casts to other SB winning QBs. Someone please name me his supporting casts that you think would be a HoF?
As usual QBs get overrated. My man bout to make the HOF off 2 good seasons. Some guys have to be great for a decade just to be considered but this guy can be mediocre his whole career and somehow be a 1st ballot HOFer.
It absolutely should. Imagine Dan Marino winning no more than 6 games every season of his career. Winning the Super Bowl NO but making the playoffs I’d say yes.
I love Eli and just because they beat the Patriots twice doesn't mean he's a HOF, we are not giving that defensive performance any credit. They shut down Thomas Brady and Randy Moss in that first Superbowl.
Lynn Swann is in because of his post season performances. Epic. It took Jerry Rice to surpass him. So Eli could get in the same way. Post season excellence.
I think he'll get in but the problem with the logic of "can't talk about super bowl history without him" doesn't work because you could also apply that to Nick foles who beat Tom Brady and Bill and no one on earth would sit here and talk about Nick foles being a Hall of famer.
He is a Hall of Famer for being among the top ten in passing touchdowns and passing yards at the time his career ended and those two excellent SB runs... Those are not two things to scoff about. Leading the league in interceptions multiple times? Brett Favre did that, so that isn't alone reason to keep him out of the hall. The . 500 record? Go back to my first two points. Lack of many pro bowl selections? Go back to my first two points.
Eli won 2 rings in New York that’s big in American sports especially beating Brady twice and he wasn’t game managing he was making Big Boy Throws in Big Moments 🏆🏆
I kind of think you have to include Dame in the story about the NBA. When you get to the chapter about shooters, you're going to have to mention Dame. 🤷🏾♂️
eli manning was never a top 5 qb in any season that he played. his stats was medicore almost every single year. interception machine. record is .500 which is awful. he was also very inaccurate. i watched every single game of his because i am a giants fan. his two playoff runs he avoided making the normal mistakes he always makes, along with a monster defense helped him win the superbowls. otherwise hes just very erratic play almost every year. and earlier in this career he had a lot of talent around him.
@@greggibson3317 matchups, 11-6 in Brady's favor, 7 superbowls to 1.5 in Brady's favor. I know you want to imply it, so imma shut u down rn, Manning is not even close to being in Brady's stratosphere. Sit down.
True but let's be honest, Brady was almost guaranteed to be in the AFC championship his whole career, while Peyton was losing to teams worse than the Pats years after year
I wasn't an Eli Manning fan when he was a player in the NFL and he will get into the Hall Of Fame and not as a 1st ballot but as a 2nd or 3rd ballot in my opinion
Do ppl realize that it’s a road to get to a Super Bowl ? Eli not only won the Super Bowl twice he did it both times on the road outside the wildcard game in 2011 vs atl . Walked into everybody house n took that shii over. Til this day he holds the record for most yards thrown in a single postseason and the only qb ever to win a sb with a defense ranked in the bottom 5
No one has beaten Tom Brady twice in 2x SuperBowls. Eli has. This is one of the greatest NFL achievements: we're talking about beating Brady, the Goat. Get over it.
If they had these sports shows going 24/7 when he was playing and going as hard as they do with the same social media climate as today Eli would be destroyed
Eli Manning won 2 Super Bowls and 2 SB MVPs that's his award for winning. Eli isn't a HOF he had a couple of clutch moments but never put up HOF numbers. Eli will get in the HOF though.
Not having Rob Parker on for this topic is a crime
FR 😂 I’m a Pats fan but even I enjoy Rob fluffing Eli to the high heavens!
Rob sent Chris a text: now why would you do that segment without me chrish?!
Absolutely 😂😂
I said the same thing 😂😂😂😂
Dats wild lmao
I think what makes Eli’s 2 rings carry a ton of weight is that they were against Brady, Bill, and the Patriots - arguably the greatest dynasty in the league.
That would be like if someone like Baker Mayfield beat the Chiefs TWICE in their prime
Damn lol not baker Mayfield
That's a fact though
It's also about the playoff wins against farve in green Bay in one of the coldest games ever. Beating the 49ers with that defense in San Francisco and beating Aaron Rodgers in green bay
Don't you get rings for those wins though? Does Nick Foles beating Brady change anything here?
@@GeordieHalma Foles didn’t beat them TWICE, that’s the difference. Or are you being purposely facetious? Most likely, you don’t know any better. Please let the grown ups talk, little boy 👶🏻🫢
The Giants defense beat New England, they held that team to season lows in the Superbowl. That undefeated Patriots team averages 37 a game, Giants defense held them to 14. Eli was solid but make no mistake that team was lead by and defense first.
Exactly put that Defensive unit in
@@JoePesos Yea a defensive unit that went 10-6 and was ranked 17th beat Brady Boy's undefeated superteam.
@@hitek9too255 the offense in those superbowls scored points the defense in both Superbowl scored 2 points off a safety, Eli had to score points or they would've lost, the Giants defense were good but nowhere near great
He makes it in the hall of fame because his last name is manning. The first family of football.
I dont like Skip Bayless but i agree with his opinion on the NFL HOF.... "if you gotta sit and think about it, then they dont deserve to be in"
A number of QBs in the hall would kill to have a career like Eli. That says it all
That doesn’t mean he was a great NFL QB.
@@bernyourhartWhat it means then ?
NOPE, JUST THE CHIPS
What QB is that 😂
Really? Which QB said they would kill to have Eli's career? Child, please.
What can't be discounted is all the trash the Giants put around Eli post 2011.. Who was the big play maker? Who was the RB? The O Line garbage. Eli has 2 rings with 2 SB MVP's beating the GOAT twice.. And he's a Manning. He's in..
Saquon Barkley Odell Beckham and Evan Engram were garbage ? Stop it Eli was just mediocre LOL
@@christiansoldier77
Giants won what with those guys in the last few years? Look at Eli Manning's career and where are the HOF guys he played with? 1 in Strahan who was at the tail end and he was on defense, that's it.. Beckham won't sniff the hall and neither will Barkley outside of him going off in Philly for like 4 years straight.. Take a look at the Giants offense in 2011.. Victor Cruz and Ahmed Bradshaw.. Eli won a ring and beat the GOAT with that son. Let that sink in... Giants have been literally trying to fix the O line since 2012.. Not kidding..
Beating the GOAT? He never beat Mahomes.
Eli is def a HOF he took his team ,who he played for his entire career, to two Super bowls in which he was MVP in each.
He’s top 10 all time in TD’s and Yards thrown with 2 superbowls and 222 straight starts at QB. What is there to talk about?
Eli is going to be a hof but as a giants fan i always thought eli was a average qb who was clutch at the most important times
FACTZ. As a Giants fan, I feel the same way. Homie was clutch in those SB runs. But not on a consistent basis
Having an elite defense didn’t hurt.
The teams was not great
AGREED, FELLOW GIANTS FAN
The Clutch gene!! And that’s why he’s going straight to the HOF. The guy pulled it off twice.
Jim Plunkett better get in the HOF then if Eli does. His career is very similar to Eli. They just put McMichael in, so honestly I think they’ll put anyone in now if you had a decent pro career. The standard of being an all time great isn’t the standard anymore. It’s were you good for awhile, cool we put you in the HOF then. Total bs. If you have to have discussions like this then your not a hall of famer.
First off, Mongo is a 5 time All Pro, member of the All 80's Decade team, and a Superbowl Champ from one of the most legendary teams of all time. He also had 95 sacks. Only DTs with more are Randle, Donald, Sapp, Whiite, Lilly and Olsen. You said they will let anyone with a decent career in? If thats true, then how come
Torry Holt
Jimmy Smith
Jessie Tuggle
Joey Browner
Todd Christiansen(RIP)
Richmond Webb
Simeon Rice
Carnell Lake
Tim McDonald
Joey Porter
Robert Mathis
Etc, havent been inducted?
I think Martin Weiss makes the most compelling argument for Eli Manning, and why I think he deserves in the HOF. Some guys have Hall of Fame talent, just undeniable talent, they were just better than everyone else. Some guys have Hall of Fame moments where you just can't believe they pulled it off. You watched every down and you still can't believe it. lol
Eli has 2 of the hottest playoff runs in the history of the league, one includes him beating the undefeated 07/08 Pats
Eli just had one great run the first time was all about the defense
Nobody mentions Brady defense carrying him when he won his first one @@christiansoldier77
thing is, he did not beat those patriots teams by himself.
@dominicharris5489 nobody wins by themselves. It's a team sport
That's literally ALL he has to hang his hat on..made 2 pro bowls in 15 years. Never won a playoff game outside of those two runs lol never win a playoff game without a top 5 defense or run game..NOBODY IS GONNA TELL ME that any average qb couldnt have gotten them 17 points if that defense held the pats to 14 points..is this the hall of fame or the hall of two game winning drives?
Never liked that you can’t tell the story without *insert player* reasoning. I can definitely tell the story without guys like Adrian Peterson Jim Kelly Julio Jones Julius Peppers but they’re hall of famers no doubt. Surprisingly, I like Skip Bayless reason for who is a hall of famer which is if you have to think about it they’re probably not a hall of famer
AP was an MVP, Jim Kelly going to 4 straight SBs would be hard to leave out. Warren Moom, Dan Faults could be left out from a qb stand point
Andre Johnson is a HOF , his career for the Texans putting up a 1000+ yards double covered with his best QB being Matt Schaub while he was playing 😂. Broussard is tweaking 😳
@@soda8736 Jim Kelly I can maybe tell i’ll give you that since the Bills are infamous with the worst SB streak ever. But AP i can go without mentioning him even with his MVP. Just like how I can go without mentioning Cam, Matt Ryan and Shaun Alexander. AP just never supreme success from a team standpoint. In my opinion if someone were to tell the story of the NFL the chapters would be based on (1) dynasties or a legendary team for a single year such as the greatest show on turf or 2000s Ravens (2) The most legendary players. I’m talking like top 25 ever (3) The most legendary of coaches
Jim Kelly literally went to 4 SB’s in a row
AP came back from an ACL tear and won MVP and 2000 yards.
Tough as Nails....played 200+ games without missing a Start....Slayed the Goat TWICE and has 2 SB MVPs
Yes, he's a hall of famer. Look at both his stats in both super bowl playoff wins. 1 of the toughest, durable & most poised QB ever
Andre Johnson is the best texan ever
No. JJ Watts is.
Eli's pass to Manningham in the second Giants/ Patriots SB was one of top three passes in SB history. Eli was great for 2 SB runs and a serviceable QB in the toughest media market!!
Chris destroyed his own argument before he even made it
He's a pro with garbage takes.
Eli also lead the league in interceptions 3 times. He didn’t even have to lead the league in pass attempts any of those years to do it either. To me it’s cut and dry… are you one of the best players to ever play as a totality. Not just a couple moments. If you have to think about it or if the answer is no, like Eli’s case, then you don’t get in. To put him in with the likes of Jerry Rice, Deion Sanders, Reggie White, Emmitt Smith, Tom Brady, Lawrence Taylor, or even is own brother is completely absurd to me. He absolutely isn’t one of the best pound for pound players I’ve ever witnessed and it ain’t even close. The NFL making an exception for him just dilutes the greatest of what the HOF is supposed to be about.
2 superbowl rings as the starting qb being clutch so stopppppppp ittttttt
So Tony Romo should be in and not Eli? Just using your criteria
@@salesforcehan4676Put Jim Plunkett in too.
He beat the GOAT TWICE. Once could be a fluke. Twice? Plus he literally beat a perfect team. Moving on.
@@wilcee238 So did Joe Flacco. Put him in too.
Rewarding QBs has become too simple. Winning games and SB's isn't an individual sport. It's not UFC.
the fact that it has to be questioned and debated tells you something
That Eli is a dry personality and not media savy.
Tells us the media is trash. Eli is a clear as day hofer lol yall are trying to move the goal post like bums, he is going in the hall... much deservedly, whether momos want him to or notmeans nothing thankfully.
@@zumpttunless you consider stats, actual eye test, etc
Eli is the worst notable starting QB from his era next to Jay Cutler. His only case for the hof is that his team won a super bowl against the patriots twice and if that's your case then u are not worthy of the hof. Season in season out he was either bad or mediocre. The only rarity of him having a good season was young Odell
Martin's smart and very good
You can’t tell the story of the NFL without Jim Plunkett. It takes more than that by far.
If he gets in everybody should get in
😂😂
Matthew Padford is next
Let everybody win 2 Super Bowls and 2 Super Bowl MVP's first.
@@wilcee238 let’s be real the only reason he’s gonna get in is because he beat brady twice and he’s a manning
@@z-mane1438except the premise of “he’s a manning so he deserves to be in” is horseshit. Sports are supposed to be the purest form of a meritocracy as we have.
If eli manning is a hall of famer then a bunch of super bowl winners are hall of famers. Other than the 2 super bowl runs he didnt win anything, no mvp's, i think only 1 playoff win, and was a compiler because he was healthy enough. If he is in, phillip rivers is in because he was a better qb.
“Other than the 2 super bowl runs” is doing a LOT of heavy lifting in your argument 😂
I mean, sure. He won 2 super bowls alongside 2 Super Bowl MVPs. But pfffft… other than that.. what has he done? 😆😆😆
Philip Rivers was a bum when it mattered..you say he's better...I bet the chargers will trade his better years for Elis 2 superbowls
Um he beat an undefeated team and the person they call the goat twice so yeah there’s that
Manning is not a First ballot HOFer, but he should be in. He will be a first ballot tho because he's a manning and the nfl's nose is firmly up every manning's ass
You forgot to mention one of those Super Bowl runs ended in the biggest upset in American sports history, and was inarguably the most improbable run of all time. It was an actual movie.
Dallas was a powerhouse, Green Bay was a powerhouse, and the patriots were undefeated. And they went on the road and beat them all. That’s just one playoff run.
Not to mention they did it AGAIN four years later.
I agree with Rod WOODSON.
Peyton, Brees and Rodgers are better qb's, I wouldn't choose any of them over Eli in a big game.
One thing i hate about sports is the individual praise for Team effort and work. Better off putting that Giants Defense in than Eli.With that being said No Eli should not be in the HOF yet he probably will get in. You might As well put Matthew Stafford in the hall as well.
Let Stafford win 2 Super Bowls and beat a perfect team first.
@@almostdone09 the Giants had a top 10 defense 1 time in eli's playing career how is that hall of fame defense? The Giants defense are not mentioned with the all time defenses in the NFL history, the Patriots had better defense in those superbowls but Eli still had to score
@@kevinstewart8054 he went 8 touchdowns to 1 interception in the playoffs that same season, and if you watched that season a lot of the interception wasn't because of him
@@Kam-f6bthe giants were an all time great defense in those playoffs run u do not win superbowl for the regular season. Check the stats the qb their held under 20 points .
@@r9trstvr9trstv71 if that's the argument then eli get credit still because his numbers on those 2 playoffs runs were great to
Heres my question take Mahommes and Brady and Bradshaw and Montana out and I tell you you’ll get a guy who’ll play 16 years never miss a start get you to the playoffs 6 times and 2 chips. Who’s NOT signing up for that? Y’all think it’s easy to win it’s not.
THANK YOU. Bunch of people bringing up Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan, etc. Ridiculous
@@bern717 you’re welcome, the internet is full of stupid people. I’m a Detroit lions fan I’d eat an elephant 🐘 for a quarter back with his resume. And 29 other franchises would too.
I’ll give you Joe Flacco too for the playoff seasons AND more playoff wins.
This isn't even a debate, Eli Manning will be in the NFL Hall of Fame, without a doubt.
JIM PLUNKETT NEEDS TO BE IN WITH THIS STORY TELLING LOGIC
If Eli goes to the hall of fame then Julian Edelman deserves to be in it as well
2 Time superbowl mvp against Tom Brady the greatest of all time and one of the greatest teams of football history yes he deserves to be in hall of fame he beat the packers twice at home Roger's and Brett another 2 hof guys give Eli the respect he deserves
2 superbowl rings yes he is plus lots of yards and touchdowns yes he is
If Eli didn't pass the football to three then no chance of making the catch come on man Chris he's in man
This aint rocket science he won 2 superbowls as the starting qb and won superbowl mvp and 4x pro bowler no QB with these accolades is not in the hall of fame
Eli isnt a all time great QB, he was average, however he is a 2 time SB winner and he did it in NYC. He had it when he won his 2nd SB against Tom Brady and the undefeated Patriots. That should get him in the HOF.
Put the defense in then cause that is why they won, not eli😂
Eli Manning will be a Hall of Famer he started every game avoided major injuries beat Tom Brady twice not too many players can say they beat brady twice in the playoffs
Eli is HOF come on man
The Hall of Fame is supposed to tell the story of the game, and you can tell the tale of the NFL without Eli Manning. He's a legend for beating Tom Brady TWICE in the Super Bowl.
You can’t tell the story of the game without Davis Tyree Deion Branch or Scott Norwood either.
Joe Flacco beat Brady TWICE.
Ppl forget how they used to say just make it to one to solidify ur mark..but now everyone says one isnt enough for anything..standards have drastically changed..the nfl is just like highschool football, (the same teams always win) good n bad organizations..its clear to see..im from Houston and this is the best roster we ever had..(as far as seeking players)..luckily watt n johnson were drafted here..so they dont count..foster was on the practice team n lucked up..we too cheap..so if u wanna win u gotta pay
Gotta love that a top 10ish at their position while they played level player can get put over the top by 4 months of semi elite play despite the other 15 years of above average to good play
Eli is like Joe Namath.
A HOF over one or two moments.
You can't tell the story of the nfl without Andre Johnson because when they ask who's the Texans all time rec leader and greatest wr you would have to say blank, and i aint tlkin Arthur 😂
He definitely shouldn’t be, but Peyton is going to try and get him in. No way he’s a HOFer. If Eli gets in then they are weighting too much on superbowls. Which is a team award. If Eli gets in then a bunch of other QBs should get in.
Then people will argue Russ isn’t a HOFer but Eli is? GTFO of here.
@@chrischilds368 Not hearing about a bunch of people pushing for Russ tbh.
@@greggibson33 exactly, but I’ve heard people in the media say “of course Eli is gonna get in”. How does that make sense? Eli can’t hold a candle to Russell Wilson as a player.
@@chrischilds368 Gotcha ya. 👍
All the numbers aside, and the patriot Super Bowl spoiler, Eli was probably the best quarterback in the last 2 minutes of the game for a large chunk of his career. I’d give him the hall of fame
Eli played 16 years and had a top 10 defense once in 16 years and no other quarterback that played in tom Brady's era has more Superbowl wins than Eli Manning and of course he's hof
Been to canton, the hall of fame is full of players that don’t tell the story of the nfl..
everyone is getting in.. Kurt Warner is in? Eli is IN
I wouldn't vote him in first ballot that's for sure(he'll probably go in next year anyways bc of his last name, and bc his older brother got in first ballot), and bc he beat the team most consider to be the greatest dynasty in the history of professional 🏈 twice on the biggest stage in the sport(Superbowl 42 and Superbowl 46).
He was 2x Superbowl MVP
Finished his career with an overall record 117-117(.500 winning percentage)
Never was an all pro QB
Never won a regular season MVP award
Led the league in INTs 3x
Finished his career with an extremely mediocre 1.5 TD:INT ratio
Finished his career with a passer rating of 84
Finished his career with a a career completion percentage of 60%
Never led the league in completion percentage, ypa, passing yards, passing touchdowns, or passer rating in his entire 16 year career.
Eli Manning finished among the top 10 in passer rating only once (he was seventh in 2011).
OVERRATED AND NOT A HOFER!!!
44 times Eli Manning took his team from behind and gave them the lead in the 4th quarter. Second most in NFL history.
Not only did he beat the team with the GOAT QB on the field but the GOAT coach on the sideline also! Just that alone makes him a Hall of Famer
Postseason record for passing yards in 2011, still holds up to this day. Then beat the patriots for the 2nd time in 4 years. Oh, that 2008 bowl, beat the 18-0 pats. Sorry, why is this still even a convo? I get it, he is mostly an average QB but still, when it matters most, He is THAT GUY.
Eli Manning won 2 Super Bowls, 2 Super Bowl MVP's, beat the GOAT twice (once could be a fluke), and literally beat a perfect team. This is not even a question.
Nick Foles beat Brady once does he belong? Lol Eli is not a HOF bro
@@lavancooper8904 He didn't beat him twice. Once is a fluke bro. Twice is a trend.
Eli got the JOB DONE PERIOD we all might not like how it looked, but He did beat Brady TWICE IN THE SB, He is a true WINNER!!! And I'm a Packers Fan
Eli didn’t even have a 4K season until after he won his first super bowl. Same with Brady. But I think beating Brady twice put pushed the needle for his greatness as well as always winning the SB mvp. Have to give him credit because even if he wasn’t top 5 in league in both those seasons He didn’t play crappy in those SB games where it mattered even if he was middle of the pack and not the best in stats.
I like what Skip said. If u have to think about whether or not their HOF worthy, their not
He had a great defense with those 2 rings. Having a good defense between eli manning getting 2 rings and drew brees amd farve only having one
Eli got hot twice, but we can’t ignore how every other season in his career about we questioned whether he was good or if the giants should move on
Top Ten in Passing Touchdowns and Yards ... Iron Man Streak ... 2 Championships plus MVPs in those games ... Comeback King .... Nuff Said
Interesting question: what’s a better career, 2 MVPs and no SB (Lamar Jackson) or 2 SB and 0 MVPs (Eli)
At this point, Eli. The purpose of playing is to win championships. He beat the Goat twice in the Super Bowl, and he won 2 MVPS in the Super Bowl against Belichick's defense on game winning drives in the final minute of the 4th quarter.
During Eli career as a NYGiants. How many allpro TE did he had? Compare Eli supporting casts to other SB winning QBs. Someone please name me his supporting casts that you think would be a HoF?
As usual QBs get overrated. My man bout to make the HOF off 2 good seasons. Some guys have to be great for a decade just to be considered but this guy can be mediocre his whole career and somehow be a 1st ballot HOFer.
"Winning" should never be brought up in team sports when discussing individual accomplishment or greatness
2 Time Superbowl Mvp Beat Tom Brady Twice end of the conversation
It absolutely should. Imagine Dan Marino winning no more than 6 games every season of his career. Winning the Super Bowl NO but making the playoffs I’d say yes.
@@cjfrm3658 2 good wins don't equal HOF. It's a career award, not a 2 game award.
Super Bowl mvp is an individual accomplishment
What? It is a team sport!!!!!!!!’nn
I love Eli and just because they beat the Patriots twice doesn't mean he's a HOF, we are not giving that defensive performance any credit. They shut down Thomas Brady and Randy Moss in that first Superbowl.
Lynn Swann is in because of his post season performances. Epic. It took Jerry Rice to surpass him. So Eli could get in the same way. Post season excellence.
So by that logic, Julian Edelman should be in the hof also. I can’t roll with that.
I think he'll get in but the problem with the logic of "can't talk about super bowl history without him" doesn't work because you could also apply that to Nick foles who beat Tom Brady and Bill and no one on earth would sit here and talk about Nick foles being a Hall of famer.
He is a Hall of Famer for being among the top ten in passing touchdowns and passing yards at the time his career ended and those two excellent SB runs... Those are not two things to scoff about. Leading the league in interceptions multiple times? Brett Favre did that, so that isn't alone reason to keep him out of the hall. The
. 500 record? Go back to my first two points. Lack of many pro bowl selections? Go back to my first two points.
Eli won 2 rings in New York that’s big in American sports especially beating Brady twice and he wasn’t game managing he was making Big Boy Throws in Big Moments 🏆🏆
I kind of think you have to include Dame in the story about the NBA. When you get to the chapter about shooters, you're going to have to mention Dame. 🤷🏾♂️
eli manning was never a top 5 qb in any season that he played. his stats was medicore almost every single year. interception machine. record is .500 which is awful. he was also very inaccurate. i watched every single game of his because i am a giants fan. his two playoff runs he avoided making the normal mistakes he always makes, along with a monster defense helped him win the superbowls. otherwise hes just very erratic play almost every year. and earlier in this career he had a lot of talent around him.
The fact that this is even a question. Just proves that he shouldn’t
Brady and Peyton met 5 times in the playoffs with Peyton winning 3 of them.
Actually Peyton's teams have a winning record against Brady's teams all time.
@@greggibson3317 matchups, 11-6 in Brady's favor, 7 superbowls to 1.5 in Brady's favor. I know you want to imply it, so imma shut u down rn, Manning is not even close to being in Brady's stratosphere. Sit down.
True but let's be honest, Brady was almost guaranteed to be in the AFC championship his whole career, while Peyton was losing to teams worse than the Pats years after year
@@bagoboy2446 lol these people that just say things to say them without fact checking what they are saying is what's wrong with the world right now
Correction: All time playoffs... not all time regular season and playoffs.
I think he will made it at the end, but I'm 50-50 on whether he should be in or not.
If Joe Namath is in the hall then Eli should definitely be in.
Joe Namath had more of an impact on the game than Eli.
I wasn't an Eli Manning fan when he was a player in the NFL and he will get into the Hall Of Fame and not as a 1st ballot but as a 2nd or 3rd ballot in my opinion
Do ppl realize that it’s a road to get to a Super Bowl ? Eli not only won the Super Bowl twice he did it both times on the road outside the wildcard game in 2011 vs atl . Walked into everybody house n took that shii over. Til this day he holds the record for most yards thrown in a single postseason and the only qb ever to win a sb with a defense ranked in the bottom 5
No one has beaten Tom Brady twice in 2x SuperBowls. Eli has. This is one of the greatest NFL achievements: we're talking about beating Brady, the Goat. Get over it.
Yall HAVE too ask this topic again when Rob gets back 🍿 😅 "No Way, No How"😂😂
Eli is not a HOF. If their has to be a constant debate. He's not a HOF!
If TO Shannon Sharpe chris CARTER !!!..had to wait ...ain't noway he's 1st Ballot
This is what happens when ring culture takes precedence over a great career. They might as well rename it to the hall of good.
Eli is in
Brady never beat Eli in a Superbowl. In fact, he lost Twice to Eli and is 0/2 against so Brady can never be the GOAT.
Nobody can say that they beat Tom 2x in the bowl besides Eli..
Yes you most absolutely can tell the story of the NFL and the catch w/o mentioning his name Chris you sound crazy
I slide Eli in just because of the quality of two teams he beat
The fact this is even a discussion is a JOKE.
I'm glad someone ate up that , " story of the NFL argument ". Always knew it was flawed
Andre Johnson was a beast
The guy won 2 super bowls by beating the greatest franchise this side of the 21st century
TWICE
2x Super Bowl MVP. Legacy is built in the post season. FYI I’m an eagles fan
If Terrell Davis and Kurt Warner are in, you have to put Eli in. But he's a Manning, so of course he's getting in.
Why do ppl keep asking this tired ass question?? YESSS
Can’t tell the story of the NFL without Deion Branch David Tyree Nick Foles or Scott Norwood either.
You can’t tell the story of the NBA without Dame Time lol he had TWO series walk off buzzer beaters
If they had these sports shows going 24/7 when he was playing and going as hard as they do with the same social media climate as today Eli would be destroyed
No not all. It’s the hall of fame not hall of average who had lucky moments
He beat the GOAT twice, because he got lucky twice? Bruh really?
Eli Manning won 2 Super Bowls and 2 SB MVPs that's his award for winning. Eli isn't a HOF he had a couple of clutch moments but never put up HOF numbers. Eli will get in the HOF though.
If he never put up HOF numbers, he wouldn't be in the top 10 in yards and TD's.
Eli's 56000 yards and 366 touchdown passes plus 2 rings if course hd is duh stupid question
What about those picks
Are 244 interceptions and an 84.1 average passer rating also HOF numbers?
@@John_Hoover seems they forgot that part🤣😅
You want to see Favre's TD to INT ratio and passer rating or that of Elway? Try again, man...