Animated Atrocities 166 || Extra Credits - Political and Hypocritical
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"People who play nazis in films must BE TERRIBLE PEOPLE by his standards"
*turns head towards jojo rabbit where the director plays hitler himself but happens to be a jew*
Oh boy...should you tell extra credits or should I?
Edit: DAMN one of a few times my comments got tons of likes. Noice. But yeah Taika was badass playing a kids imagining of hitler and Mel brooks did the same thing-Hell Dakota fanning played a Manson family member in Once upon a time in Hollywood so she must be an evil person. Seriously extra credits and anybody who agrees with them is fucking stupid.
not to mention Mel Brooks did this before the social justice profiteers came to power
or playing germanyi n hoi4 with the intention to kill hitler
I mean, Taika Waititi does want to see an entire country eradicated, so he is kind of a terrible person
"Fear is power, and laughter takes that power away."
My god! We're living in Monsters, Inc!
Speaking of Monsters’ Inc., who wants to make a SMW (chocolate) ROM hack where Mike Wazowski takes Mario’s Player 1 role, Boo Takes Luigi’s Player 2 role, Waternoose takes Bowser’s role, and even Sulley takes Yoshi’s role?!
I would like to make one that has a lot of custom music (some unfamiliar and some versions so amazing yet only could be found in a few hacks) as well as custom endings (A Hundred Levels of Pure Hell)!
@@kieranstark7213 thatud be neat
Except I gotta learn how to make gaming ROM hacks. And I know in now way how to since qa long time ago.
But laughter was 10x more efficient than fear.
A very real message. Every despot the world has ever known knows this to be true.
"The argument is that politics are often shoehorned in, or it's done as a marketing ploy, or virtue signaling, or just done badly."
THANK YOU! That's it, that's absolutely it! Why is it that so hard for some of those "everything is political" people to understand?
because thy cant tell the difference between broad general philosophy and hamfisted bullshit
You see, if they understood that shoehorning is bad then they couldn't argue that their shoehorned politics on either side are good.
@@digitalunity Well, there is a question one needs to ask: Which side and which faction of that side of the political spectrum has been shoehorning politics recently?
Shoehorning politics is bad no matter how much I agree with it and no matter from which side but there is some certainty on which side of the political spectrum does it more often. Although I do believe that the left/right paradigm is a false dichotomy.
+[DynoStretch]
The problem is, is that it turns out that many people find it extremely difficult to distinguish between "Politics done bad" or "Politics shoehorned in" on the one hand, and "Politics I disagree with" on the other hand.
I mean, how many comment(arie)s can you think of where someone complained about how the Politics was done in a game, but also stipulated that they otherwise agreed with the political message?
I mean, sure, I could think of examples where the Politics were indeed done badly or were shoehorned in, even a few of Politics I otherwise agree with, but when for example people complain that _Doctor Who_ has gotten so much more blatant with its Politics in recent years, I *know for a FACT* that this is in no way born out by actual earlier seasons of the show. Not by the post-revival late-2000s era, and certainly not by Classic Who.
Same goes for Comics, by the way. I mean, have you ever *read* 1960s X-Men Comics?
As someone who does believe that "all media is political," I COMPLETELY understand. Politics is not something you can just shoehorn into a video game, movie etc. You have to build around that political idea without sacrificing anything that will make people want to come back to it. The Metal gear franchise has tons of politics in it. But people don't mind because both the game and it's story managed to incorporate them smoothly without sacrificing the immersion. It has to be fun before it's political. To recycle that quote from Reggie Fils-Aime: "If it's not fun, why bother?"
It's like that South Park episode where Cartman and his friends create a book called "Scrodie McBoogerballs" but people start thinking that the book has some kind of deeper meaning when there is none.
Alexander The Snivy Bro stop dissing The Poop That Took a Pee. That book was so politically aggressive
for the trope basis, Its everyone is Jesus in purgatory, also know as every english teacher reads way to much into the symbolism the trope.
I think there's a saying for this.
"Looking too deeply when the curtains are just blue."
@@sammyjay4324 I thought it's the "What do you mean it's not political" trope.
@@1685Violin Unlike the other example, "What do you mean it's not political" trope happens when a story used a direction that strikingly looks as there is some political agenda behind it despite all the *obvious* signs of it, but the author deny it. Whereas "Jesus in Purgatory" means all the bunch of interpretations makes a story more meaningful than it shouldn't be (like Shakespeare plays).
"Not every story needs to have significance. Sometimes, a story is just a story." -An animatronic hippopotamus
Indeed, Mr. Hippo is wise beyond his years.
Ah, it seems that you have met your end. Ah, what a pity. You know I, I don’t feel too bad about it though, after all if it weren’t me, it would’ve just been one of the others I guess… I’m honestly just glad to be out of those air ducts. You know it’s… it’s not easy for a hippopotamus to fit up there… and… not easy to get down either. I’m not as young as I used to be as you can see, I used to be able to do all sorts of things, you’re young, you’re vibrant, you have that sort of pep in your step. Ah, it reminds me of a conversation I was having with one of my good friends Orville. We were having a nice picnic one day. I believe it was summer? Oh, perhaps it was… was it the fall? Yes, yes, it was the fall because the leaves had turned already. But I said to Orville, I- I says, “Orville, I have a story to tell you.” And Orville looked at me, you know, kind of odd and- and said, “Well what’s it about?” I- I said to him, “Not every story has to be about something Orville. Sometimes a person just wants to talk, why does it have to be a story?” I said to him. He just looked at me and he said, “Well y-y-you said you had a story.” You know, he was quite right, I did in fact. I told him I had a story. I suppose if a person just wants to talk, it’s best to not announce that you’re tellin’ a story. Tellin’ a story does come with its own pressures and expectations I- I suppose. After all, if you’re just talking to a friend then, there’s no more expectations then if you were talking into the wind. Words… by themselves are not expected to carry… aren’t expected to stick. But if, you know if you announce that you’re tellin’ a story well then… there better be a point to it all. No one wants to sit and listen to someone ramble on and on and on with absolutely no end in sight. So, you know, it’s- it’s good to be mindful that when you tell someone that you’re about to tell a story, that you have something to say. Tellin’ someone that you’re gonna tell a story is tantamount to asking them to stop what they’re doing, and pay attention. You’re basically saying “hey, hey, hey buddy, stop everything, stop what you’re thinking, I have a solution to everything.” And well, I didn’t really have any story to tell. In- in hindsight I probably just misspoke when I said that I had a story. I think it would’ve just been better to tell Orville that I had something to tell him rather than tell him that I had a story, but you know e- even then it might’ve put too much importance on the whole thing. Either way it was quite a nice day. I remember, I remember that we were drinking tea.
Not everything good in a story is a political thing. But stories should have at least something admiral in them, something “significant.”
@@ntfoperative9432 nobody is reading all of that
@@cherrycolareal that’s the point buddy
"All media is political"
No. You can FIND politics in all media. You can FIND a lesson in all art. Guess what? You can also find omens in birdwatching. We used to do it all the time. Humans are a pattern-finding species. That doesn't mean the intents are actually THERE.
augury? now that's what i call vulture signalling
Does it matter if the intent is there? Is the substance of media defined by its creator or its audience?
"It doesn't mean anything to me so it's not political!" Okay boomer
@@jpickens189 When the augurs would have us punish and destroy those birds that bring a dark auspice, it absolutely matters.
@@mercaius Okay, intent matters if we wish to cast judgment on creators, but what if we want to judge the media itself?
How politics work for some media:
Chef: Makes salad
Media: Chef goes political with salad
Chef: What the heck it's salad
Media: Political salad chef surprised by backlash, defends political salad.
Krash #42, it’s funny how accurate this comment truly is.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr :)
Sorry cant upvote right now, you have exactly 69 thums up, wil come back afther someonels ruins it
But what if it's ceasars sallad??!?!?!?!
@@gabrielespindola4461 THIS IS NOT REDDIT
REEEEEEE
Pong is obviously a metaphor on the never ending battle between the left wing and the right wing while the centrists/neutrals are caught in the crossfire.
Update: Geez guys, calm down! I was only joking! I was extending the ridiculousness of the “all media is political,” philosophy like what Enter did when he joked about “Blue Da Ba Dee,” and Spyro! I can’t tell who’s playing along or trying to have a serious debate anymore!
Pong minimalist approach was not made by the choice of the developer. They wanted to add sprites but the one with money thought it was good enought as it was without the sprites. Because he didn't want to invest more than he already did on the game. So yes ping pong had politics build into is design. Is minimalist art style a reminder when game where seen as disposable electronic toys push in barebone condition to maximize profit. This clearly has no connection with modern day games or any political decition.
NMD 018 I was joking.
Good one.
@@Notmyday2009 to quote a song writer , "nobody cares"
no joke, there is a idiot in spanish youtube, that said that pong is in fact political, and that shows the ideology that there is always a winner, and the pleasure of destroying your opponent, his name is DayoScript if you don't believe me, he also made a video about inclusion on videogames whwre at the end he said gamers were nazis, ironically he aldo made four videos on bing bang theory were he was angry at how they represented gamers and frikis. He is very dumb
There you are, watching Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure, when all of a sudden, you’re a buff Japanese delinquent.
You didn’t ask for this. You didn’t choose this.
But there it is.
And it’s treated no differently than being a gay vampire.
But I asked for this.
Best comment on this video
When all of a sudden, you’re gay for a hammy, shouting cyborg Nazi.
You didn’t ask for this. You didn’t choose this.
But there it is.
Yare yare daze.
Hey, that's a real risk from watching it!
I hate the "fiction = reality" argument so much! It's true that fiction influences reality, but it won't change someone into something they're not. Hypnosis can't even do that. (The rest of this comment is just me ranting)
There was a case in which two high schoolers who claimed to be inspired by the movie Scream murdered a classmate. The kicker is that Scream outright says that movies don't make people kill: "Now Sid, don't you blame the movies. Movies don't create psychos; movies make psychos more creative!"
And that's a good summary of how media effects people. If they have it in them to do something they might draw inspiration from fiction when it comes to how they do it, but fiction won't drive them to do it if they don't already have it in them. This extends to no-fiction too, but I have to stop trying before I stress myself out.
Pikagirl541 seriously. You’d think people would figure it out after not seeing a massive war after a slasher movie comes out.
You’re going to be a god and like it
There we go. That's my stance right there.
If you're really driven to do something violent after watching a violent movie and you claim that violent movie's the reason for it (like claiming it inspired you to do it), you're just trying to make an excuse for YOUR actions. Because that's what YOU wanted to do.
Are "Escapist stories aren't real" and "(insert character or story event here) are fiction" or similar phrases are outdated now
This "fiction = reality/fiction != reality" argument applies on a case by case basis. If someone faps to cartoon child porn and lolicon, then they're still a pedophile, but because someone plays as a Nazi in a video game doesn't mean they'll become a Nazi or be okay with them in the real world.
In some cases, a thing is just as dangerous to be okay with in fiction as it is in real life, and in other cases a thing is much more/less dangerous in one situation or the other. Pedophilia for example is wrong in both fiction AND reality because if a pedo can't get enough cartoon child porn, they may actually go rape a real kid.
But murder in fiction means nothing, whereas murder in real life is fucked up.
Basically, if a thing or idea done in fiction can also cause the person to want to do said thing/idea in real life, then the idea is dangerous in both fiction AND reality.
"Cards against humanity reflects and influences our politics"
Oh great, so I'm going to cause World War III by playing the "Dwarf Porn is society's greatest accomplishment" combo.
Question. If I win all by playing DEEZ NUTS!!!, what does that *mean* though?
I got a white card and played ‘my 1TB stash of monster porn’, so environmental protections will be increased.
That is amazing. Why havent I gotten that combo?
Here's one of my favorite combinations: Sean Penn brought survivor's guilt to the people of Haiti.
Do not joke about war.
“Never be more offended than the people you’re fighting for.”
I’m putting this on my wall to remember. Thanks.
(Mr Enter on social justice)
Mr.Enter for president!
First law, make Growing Around
Second law, kill Seth McFarlane
@@jooree7696 Well, that escalted quickly...
@
Dreaming About France & Chocolates
It's a good rule to live by.
@@jooree7696 3rd Law, destroying tech companies.
4th law, destroying Adult Swim
@@Magic_Ice What's wrong with adult swim? I haven't heard anything about them in a while.
Tetris is actually a deep dive into classism. See the lowest class, bottom of the stack, does all the work to start the society (stack), but eventually they are simply left on their own as the focus heads higher up the stack until eventually it's nearly impossible for the lowest part of the stack to become the de facto top yet again.
And as the one arranging society, a stand in for government, what do you sacrifice the moment you get an unfavorable piece? You use it to plug the only hole leading to the bottom, sacrificing those down there from ever making a line again and focus on ensuring only the top of the stack can make lines. Thus the bottom is left unable to fulfill their purpose while still being expected to support all of society.
And don't even get me started on how you always need the "straight" piece to solve everyone's problems!
(Am I doing it right?)
nice meme
DarthZ01 or more simply it’s a game you play forever and never win, a rebuke of communism
@@Doc51499 I am the man who arranges the blocks that descend upon me from up above...
DarthZ01 this is the greatest fucking RUclips comment I’ve ever seen
69 likes
Fear is power and laughter takes the fear away - John Enter 2019
I mean, he used to watch Friendship is Magic, and one section of the second part of the pilot episode conveys that exact message, so...
@@skarkris yeah, but this is much more concise.
Isn’t that what happened in Legends for boo-kini bottom, from spongebob?
@Ricardo Santos These folks seem to forget that the fash love being feared and despise being mocked.
Their ideology is based around macho bullshit and to be mocked is a fate worse than death. Hence the fear of milkshakes over fists.
@@skarkris Giggle at the ghosties ^-^
There you are, at home, playing your 80's platformer, when all of a sudden...
You're a robot.
You didn't ask for this.
You didn't *choose* this.
And yet, there it is.
@Rachel the Seeker lol
I love how I don’t have to agree with every one of Enter’s political views to enjoy him ripping apart fallacies and holes in arguments. Great video.
Somebody actually did it. You went back and used Extra Credits to destroy Extra Credits. Kudos, and much appreciation.
actually no. He shows the point in the first video where they say "politics in games influence our culture, and culture influences society" - "Stop Normalizing Nazis" is a shitshow but that argument is one that is consistent across both.
I used the stones to destroy the stones
The most satisfying way to defeat your enemy is to defeat him by using his own weapon. Bullies prefer to call it "Why are you hitting yourself?"
Never under estimate the power of Weaponized Autism.
@@slashbash1347 ...what's that supposed to mean? I'm rather confused by this comment. I don't think Autism is something that _can_ be weaponized, but I could be wrong, I suppose.
There's a difference between games being political and games being philosophical. People are willing to have philosophical games because they ask the player why. When games are political, they tell the player to do.
Philosophical games>>>>>>Political games
Amen.
@Blade0fKha0s The politics of Bioshock are about the choices and consquences of creating an ANcap society.
It is not "this is ancapistan, isn't it a shithole?! You need Democracy and governors and regulation! Now listen to the Big Daddy tell you about the value of the Federal Reserve for 15 minutes."
It is instead dropping you in this world and seeing what and how things went wrong first hand and giving you a choice on what to do next. That's philosophy overtaking Politics.
Insisting that ones stance is the right one is politics but questioning the very nature of a stance as it regards to human nature is philosophy.
They are not mutually exclusive but they are different.
@@OdaSwifteye I wouldn't say rapture is an ancap society because there's still a government.
@@sebastienholmes548
It's an objectivist society, based directly on Ayn Rand's philosophy.
Although there is a state, Andrew Ryan makes a point of keeping it out of everybody's affairs. This philosophy eventually led to Rapture's downfall
“You either did a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
Seems pretty relevant here.
What usually happens with these groups, kinda like we've seen with two prominent game developers who's name starts with B; is the evil was always there... there is always one wanker in the background who is a bastard and always rubbed most of the original crew wrong...
But eventually enough of their old guard peers leave for them to bring in more people like them, make deals with the devil, show their true colours.
They really did an hero
Die*
Did it. Ded there.
What.
I fucked a hero yay
That awkward moment when you've only watched Extra Credits the it's Extra History series...
Lucky you.
Or What? Or extra mithology
Ya, the only extra cedits i watched was extra history. I first watched it in one of my collage courses and have been a fan ever since. Though this video may sway my opinion of them quite a bit
Yeah I watch their History, Sci-fi, Mythology,and only 2 of the normal series
I did but ifrom time to time skipled to there game videos and i agreed with some like the open letter to EA and disagreed with others.
But after watching the you gonna be a nazi video and seeing how they make the kistake of labeling the iron cross as a nazi symbol i had ny doubts about hiw goodnare there history videos, but the one that really got me was there extra mythology about Solomon when they just dont tell the story how it was and they break from the story telling to criticize Samson and call him sexist or making him look stupid by using force at certain points just made me lose any trust at them.
34:04 catch that?
"creating shorter wait times for *fascists* "
not "players playing fascists".
fascists.
now, normally I'd simply attribute it to a poor choice of words...
but all art is political, don't you forget.
their choice of words in this video is also an artistic choice.
when you shorten "players playing fascists" to "fascists" you smuggle hidden baggage into the conversation.
if it is also political by definition, then i can have absolutely no faith that they are not just trying to morally equivocate between the 2.
Yeah, I played as the Nazis once, now I go on and on about Panzers and Luftwaffes and coming up with conspiracy theories about jews
ohh *moderate audience praise
exacly what I was thinking I was like "what? does playing as a nazi character in a VIDEO GAME make me automatically a fascist myself? If thats so reading Mein Kampf for educationnal purposes,would also make me automatically a fascist?????? WHAT THE FUCK???? If thats the case a lot of historians would be terrorists by now seing how they would have to read such stuff for their essays in college.
Sounds like a sneaky way of gaslighting viewers into thinking they’re in the wrong...
Nunya Bizz It all started when I played Papers, please...turned into Stalin on the spot...
You missed the part where he gaslights people playing the enemy as fascists at 34:02. It goes to show how gross the Extra Credits team really are.
Indeed, when people started unsubscribing, their response was basically "Lol, glad all these NAZIS have unsubscribed from us!" which didn't help their case at all.
@@Swordsmen99 Yeah, pretty much.
Granted I didn't care much about the Vote video myself; what's been turning me off from Jello lately has been more the increasing amount of bad faith criticisms in his "So This Is Basically" videos, which have gone from "silly recommendations/reviews of shows he likes" to "nitpicky complainy videos of shows he either used to like or more often just hates, usually with extremely backhanded compliments sprinkled in". The only recent one so far that doesn't fit the latter category is the Sonic the Hedgehog one.
@@Swordsmen99 I heard about that too. (I don't use Twitter that much)
@@Swordsmen99 How dare he call people who knowingly support bigotry bigots.
Zantetsu
Even worse when instead of looking at criticism, they double down and attack their fans.
They must really want those jobs at Disney.
"Never be more offended that the people you're fighting for"
Oh god I know how that feels
As a gay and autistic man I despise when people tell me that I should be offended at something related to those aspects of myself, despite the being straight or NT
SAME! Except I'm not gay just autistic. But still, same! And you know what's even more annoying? When they INSTANTLY turn on you and call you a "Bad autist" the very second you say something they don't want you to be seen saying because it's not useful for them.
Jason Godwin yeah it’s... annoying when people assume you should be offended by something
Same. This one coworker got on my ass for not blindly supporting open immigration because of my race. My problem is the retards who come here just to be a burden. I've had to go back and forth from my station because this one idiot doesnt bother learning english to know her instructions and customers holding up lines because they cant read or say what they want. But sure the citizens are problematic for complaining about stuff like that, it's no wonder test scores are so low.
PREACCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHH
This is what makes things so hard to take seriously. People make a big mockery of themselves as they act like EVERYONE should be offended by something. It’s awful that they have a ‘with me or against me’ mentality, with no middle ground. It’s why politics can destroy friendships and other things, because no one can reach a middle-ground.
When people push the notion that every bit of fiction is somehow "being political" they remind me of those confused and overbearing parents who were absolutely certain that The Fonz was a deliberate attempt to galvanize their children toward rebellious behavior.
Pensive Scarlet
Ethnic Cleansing, ZOG’s Nightmare, Hatred, very political games 10/10 vvv woke
They remind me of those parents in the 90s who used to complain that stuff like the original Powerpuff Girls was too violently girly for their little Piddlin to watch and they had to "tone it down." or those teachers that said "the author meant THIS SHIT is blue."
Absolutely! Sometimes people read too much into things and see political messages where there may not be any intended. While some fiction certainly does have political themes or messages, not every story is a manifesto. It's like seeing hidden meanings in every corner when sometimes a character is just a character, and a story is just a story.
I always played as the Tediz in Conker's Bad Fur Day multiplayer. I guess that makes me a Tediz in real life.
Dr Shaym hello doctor
You didn’t ask for this! You didn’t choose this! Yet there it is! LOL
@@Zelnyair They would enjoy it, incel.
I knew it--
You were a stuffed animal with a Swastika all along, weren't you?!
Conker has multiplayer?
An ad for JoJo Rabbit played before this video...
A WW2 satire film...
Almost poetic
Guess extra credits hates it for normalizing nazis...
Meanwhile, they were just kicked out of many houses due to that video...
;)
@Fuckth eChineseGovt has it come out yet? I thought it looked fine >_>
Fuckth eChineseGovt
How do you know it’s bad? I hasn’t even come out yet
Apparently the reason that they have a different presenter now is that a lot of sexual harassment accusations came out about the boss of Extra Credits, as well as some other stuff about him generally not being a nice guy, and the original presenter left over it.
You got any sources on that? I would love to know more.
I too would like a source.
And I'm not really up to speed on who the boss is.
@@NapaCat
James portnow. There's a whole subreddit, called r/extracredits, dedicated to the channel and the behind the scenes stuff. From what I can gather, he's been found guilty, but don't quote me on that, as I'm not certain.
The original presenter now has his own channel. From what I've seen, its the same quality as ECs glory days
"Never be more offended than the people you're fighting for."
Andrew "I speak for all women and minorities" Dobson needs to see this.
Lol I was in an argument with dobson just yesterday about if discrimination against men was sexism
I am a feminist and egalitarian myself and I think dobson needs to stfu because he is just embarrassing our movement with petty gender fights, because that seems to be much more important to him than actual women's/lgbt issues.
I remember this one time when he talked about I think a "sexualized" female character in a video game and said something to the effect of "They just don't get why this makes us so upset!"
And I was like "Uh...what do you mean 'us', Dobson? You are NOT a woman. You don't get to be offended for women."
The same should also go towards MovieBob, Lily Orchard/Peet, Anita Sarkeesian, and pretty much everyone that gets more offended than the people they ASSUMED would get offended towards things they probably have other things on their minds than a small detail on a video game or movie.
RandomDCE also said it best: "Don't be offended on others' behalf."
"There you are, playing Hyrule Warriors Story Mode, and then *BOOM!!!* You're Ganondorf! You didn't ask for this. You didn't choose this! Yet there it is!"
Lol
Funny thing is that was my favorite part of that game's story. Playing as ganondorf as he took out the good guys and captured hyrule castle was awesome. I wish they let you play the bad guys more.
Wait shit I'm gonna start buying into ganondorf's beliefs now.
I actually kind of did ask for it, and it was great!
And it's treated no differently than playing as Link
Ganondorf is cool though.
Being apolitical in a political world is definitely no picnic. It's ripe for the "If you're not with us, you're against us" fallacy for example.
@@gl1tchygreml1n I agree. I may not be a member of whatever fandom you're mentioning here, but I'm male, straight, white, and American. That alone leaves me vulnerable to criticism that I don't deserve. As a male, I'm assumed sexist, specifically misogynistic, as a heterosexual, I'm assumed homophobic, biphobic, and transphobic, assumed racist because I'm white, and assumed xenophobic because I'm American, even though I ironically want to visit another country, even if it's just Canada, to escape America for a while. How hypocritical is it that the same people who assume I'm bigoted in so many ways are bigoted themselves. Screw off with that hateful shit.
@@gl1tchygreml1n lol that's ok. The undeserved criticism is more from what I've seen than experienced myself, but yeah.
"With me or against me", also known as "guilt tripping"...
For every Jojo reference, there’s a political message.
Hah, I almost pity you fools.
Trying to politicize Jojo is impossible!
Plenty have tried, but in the end it is always muda.
Muda muda.
"B-But Jojo talks about religon!"
Libra The beautiful War Monk religion isn’t inherently political
My Killer Queen has already attatched political iconography to that doorknob.
Funny Valentine: Dojyaaaan!🎵
I have taken the first napkin!
Gallows Humor: dark humor made to cope with the darkest concepts in our world like terrorism, violence, war.
If we can't laugh even when bad things happen we've already lost. The way to defeat terrorism is to not let yourself be terrified. Laughing mocking the attempts to break us and our spirit is one way to make sure it stays strong. Maybe don't make that joke directly to someone who just lost a loved one (guage your audiences, maybe they also use humor to handle the pain.) But it is absolutely valid.
Don't you win by destroying all terrorists?
@@simonpetrikov3992 way to miss his entire point.
But on your point-when people are scared-too scared to destroy the terrorists-then we lose-but when we laugh-the fear goes away and there comes in the courage to fight back.
Wanna try again smartass?
@@simonpetrikov3992 there will always be terrorists, people trying to use fear to push their ideas, it's not just in the middle east
@@ntfoperative9432 yeah I know it’s like saying “Destroy all viruses” which is an impossible task
There you are
Watching Extra Credits
When all of a sudden
*BAM!!*
You're a disappointed fan!
You *DIDN'T* choose this!
You *DIDN'T* want this!
And then they dehumanize you for having that opinion
*bUt ThErE iT iS*
but there they are, and it's not different from getting dissapointed by your other idols
I’ve had to leave. Their history lineup is not what it used to be.
"I think the definition of History is "People fucking each other over, in the worst ways possible"".
A+ History student talking here: this phrase couldn't be more accurate.
24edoviado it’s always the big four explore expand exploit and exterminates history very rarely deviates from these four even now
Painfully accurate
History major here and I see history as a constant struggle between the ruling class and those who do not rule.
Then again this is the basis of Conflict Theory. So while I would agree with you I would not consider the two classes equivalent in power.
It’s more the matter of why these events in history are the ones reported on and talked about which is a shame on the media and all ratings associated with negativity in news sullying the good merits of the human species. I dodge the news at all opportunities because not only is it a bore, it’s also something horrific or sad, and I don’t want criminals getting attention or infamy that they crave.
"History is full of pain and misery because love and peace does not make for a good story" -me 2019
Your assessment of Blue Da Ba Dee actually makes sense to be honest
I thought it was about lack of individuality. Also, the music video does not fit the lyrics at all.
@@NitroIndigo Common for a lot of music videos I'm sure.
@@NitroIndigo I imagine everything like Blue Man Group when I hear that song.
Blue can alternatively be portrayed positively.
I think it might be a song about being sad, it would explain the minor chords. But if you want a pop song that's literally about depression despite having wealth, Pill in Ibiza is a great song for that.
(34:20) That argument of theirs really shows how much they know of games.
This is the issue Splatoon had with their occational fests, where you pick one of two sides, then you fight against the other side. But due to some fests having a much more popular side (best example was morning people vs night people, which do you think _gamers_ would pick?), it ended up with the larger side not being able to play. So Splatoon made it so you play against your own team if no enemies could be found. - Extra credits didn't have that solution, they just want _everyone_ to wait.
How is playing against your own team even work?
@@michaelgum97 I guess they just get split in half and then go as normal
If there's a Mr. Enter, is there a Mr. Exit, your polar opposite?
The Famous Mr. Exit
The rather forward and open about personal life Mrs Exit
The un-mysterious ms. exit
That would be a cool idea for a villain character in his reviews.
@@willhiggins9563 Time to submit the idea to Mr. Enter himself.
"Never be more offended than the people you're fighting for"
*YES! PREACH!*
It is so succinct, but so perfect; brevity really is the soul of wit. If I tried to express the same thing, I would ramble for a whole paragraph. Probably say something like, people who are faking outrage to defend some cause, are just doing it to score points and get attention. If you're defending someone from something that does not bother them, you're not doing them a favor. By taking attention away from their real needs, you are making things worse for them, for your own benefit.
Oh, looky there, I DID ramble for a whole paragraph, anyway.
Reminds me of the Harry Potter books when Hermione created SPEW to “help” house elves. But the House Elves themselves hated the idea of freedom and were content to being servants with Dobby being the exception since his former master was an abusive asshole. They others never asked for help but Hermione continued on with it thinking that the wizards and house elves themselves were being indoctrinated to believing in the status quo despite the fact the house elves keep telling her to stop it.
Reminds me of when people started getting offended on the behalf of Mexicans over the sight of Mario wearing a sombrero in Super Mario Odyssey. Or similarly, when people got offended on the behalf of Native Americans because Super Smash Bros. Ultimate was supposed to allow for Mr. Game & Watch to have an attack where he performs a tag-team move with a Native American. *Let me repeat that:* These crazy people got offended on the behalf of people who were not offended simply over the fact that Mr. Game & Watch and a Native American could be depicted *working together* in harmony for, like, two frames of animation. Showing different people putting aside their differences and working together was "offensive". I can't be the only one who remembers these things happening.
I remember when yelling at people for being "ableist" was trendy for a while. Being mentally disabled myself, I've had to tell quite a few warriors to fuck off.
The thing is, they aren't actually defending anyone. They personally don't like seeing a thing, but are too afraid to take ownership of their own outrage. So they hide behind the "I, and many other people think..." shield - in this case, "the disabled".
But they rarely talk to the people they're supposedly defending. Instead, they use a hypothetical caricature of "the disabled" or "people who've lost loved ones to the Nazis". This way, the outraged warrior gets their shield without having to do any work, which gives them licence to use their keyboard swords to attack something they don't like.
(EDIT: I don't know what's up with RUclips. If I put a space between my paragraphs and it adds a second one. If I don't leave a space, it leaves it as a wall of text.)
"Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it."
-Every single person who has an IQ of above 1.
-Mad Mod from Teen Titans
Same with those who try to erase history
@@AkameGaKillfan777 "And you lot are doomed as doomed can be!"
@@Anyo92 Maybe those who want to erase history seek to repeat it on purpose, while operating under the assumption that they will get to be the great conquerors and kings of old next time around.... And not end up becoming Cesar getting knifed in the back by other powerful people they thought they could trust...
@@minnion2871 , Julius Caesar wasn’t killed by being stabbed once in the back by Brutus, but he died because he was stabbed 37 times in the chest.
"What do you mean, "I hurt your feelings"?
I didn't know you had any feelings.
What do you mean, "I ain't kind"?
Just not your kind".
~Megadeth (Peace Sells 1986)
If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line
I’ll have to listen to that song!
Baldur's Gate is political, Saverock was starting an iron shortage that caused tension between the Baldur's Gate region and Amn. When you talk to the civilians, there are accusations and rumors of war. When you discover the conspiracy of the Iron Throne creating the shortage to monopolize on Iron, you put a stop to it from the bottom ranks upwards. However, the politics have absolutely nothing to do with the real world and are completely unique to the Forgotten Realms. It helps strengthen the lore and motivates you to complete the game without trying to change you as a person. Bravo Chris Avallone.
Dragon Age did that, too. Who is the suppressed minority? Not humans with skintone, sexuality or belief "X". It's the elfs and the mages. Both things that doesn't exist on earth, but we do understand their struggle due to our own history.
What you described sort of sounds like a corporation manipulating political tensions between two countries in order to line their pockets. I’m pretty sure that’s been relevant to the real world for a while now and no matter how the game frames it (good, bad, or neutrally), that’s a political statement.
@@dawnknightx Yeah, that's he said too?
Those are good examples because they have more immediate nuance to the situation then "Side A good, side B bad". When people say to keep politics out of gaming, they mean it in a "you can't use the tool correctly, stop using it" way.
It's the Fallout New Vegas argument. It's not that politics, in a vacuum, are bad. Just look at Fallout New Vegas, you've got the NCR, House, Caesar's Legion, Raiders, the Powder Gangers, two semi-independent towns, other factions, with Benny making a play for it all you just so happen to bumble into in your quest to kill the man that tried to cap you. It's that when you do politics BADLY, you essentially make your story french kiss a shotgun.
Critical Drinker made a similar point about themes in movies in his review of Us. Many reviewers are trying to use thematics to excuse outright poor storyboarding and hamfisting a narrative home. Politics done well can add a great deal of depth into a work of art, but done poorly it creates a black hole from whence no good idea can escape.
I would say that far cry 5 actually did make a political statement about the modern state of things.
Throughout the game, you are occasionaly treated to snippets of International news on the car radios. The news paints a relatively bleak picture of International Relations going to shit, up to the point where before the final mission, Russia gets nuked by the United States and millions of people die.
Then the canonical ending, where Montana gets nuked, happens.
The entire time, most players aren't paying attention to those little snippets of news, rather, focusing on an internal, petty squabble within a small fraction of the nation.
If you pay attention to the loud speakers In John seed's region, He drones on and on about how the constant spew of garbage information makes us not pay attention.
Instead of, say, paying attention to China and France breaking down into riots, we're sitting here arguing about a president's taxes or a congresswoman having drug fueled three ways.
Ironically, the people bitching about FC5's politics are the types of people who it's warning about - they whine about the politics of a video game instead of talking about ACTUAL, day to day politics that DO affect us.
We could have stopped China if we could stop whinging on about a president's mean tweets. Serious shit is happening in the background, and we're so decadent, we aren't paying attention to what needs it. As Jake put it in the game - modern man is a soft, shameful shell of what it CAN be, and we won't be ready when SHTF.
I need to return to thick comment
...Shit that's actually fucking good. It gave prolific commentary that doesn't intrude on the game and doesn't becessarily take a side, instead focusing on a more universal issue.
I just liked, but immediately removed it because its 69. That's some mgs2 shit right there.
I think before the game's release, people were comparing Seed's cult to the rise of far right groups.
@skullpull 101 IRONYYYYYYYY!
Really, though. It's quite telling that a not so far off depiction of reality is criticized for not focusing on such superficial constructs like "left/right bad" which is exactly what the game is depicting. It's almost like the media is nothing but a paranoia machine.
“Making art apolitical is a political act”
“Off is a TV channel”
“Not practicing a religion makes you religious”
“Not doing a hobby is a hobby”
There’s a million of things like these.
“Making art apolitical is a political act” was true when the CIA funded apolitical Art in the Cold War in an attempt to stop the spread of Soviet propaganda, according to critic MoviewBob.
If you do not make a decision, you have still made a decision
@@jstevinik3261 Ironic since Moviebob hates socialism because socialism means everyone has a right to live while Moviebob thinks millions should die.
@@ashkitt7719 Regarding "Moviebob thinks millions should die," citation needed.
My favorite sport is not playing soccer.
*DOOM DIDN'T MAKE ME VIOLENT*
*DOOM MADE ME LIKE HEAVY METAL*
And then Heavy Metal made you violent.
This statement has been brought to you by the Trolls sequel.
@@cheezemonkeyeater Bluh... I'm not looking forward to that movie...
Doom was my first foray into programming.
demon is an offensive term! refer to them as mortally challenged!
And yet it’s treated no differently from an angelic nonmortal.
The “all media is political” thing is such an annoying word game. In some branches of sociology, “political” means “influenced by a world view” and his was taken up by the activist disciplines (gender, race, ethnic and sexual studies) because if you don’t choose to use the attached definition of “world view” and just use it as people who speak English would use it, then you can validly say “everything is political.”
The reason they love this word salad game is that they can declare any media they don’t like as “evil propaganda” (as any media intended to express a view is propaganda in the broadest definition) because any politics,I.e. world views, that aren’t entirely in their favour are against them, any politics that are against you are an oppressive regime and oppressive regimes are EVIL.
The worst part about this redefining nonsense is when a scholar has redefined a word previously, expects you to have read everything they’ve ever published and just starts a paper using “up” to mean “down” and gets offended when you ask what the hell they’ve on about
When someone is talking politics
But all you hear is “Go for the eyes, Boo! Go for the eyes.....ARGH!”
Nice choice on the background music anyways
yeah my first thought was "oh hey I'm back on the sword coast"
Chrono Trigger ost is very good
Undertale was a nice touch for this video.
"In Spyro where all the Dragons are Males, but somehow reproduce and lay eggs."
..........Hey yeah, how the hell did that work?
Also bonus points to I Have no Mouth and I Must Scream's Nimdok not just being a Nazi Scientist in a Cocentration Camp.
And this is a Big Spoiler for Nimdok.
It's revealed he's Jewish.
He is one of the most literal examples of a Race Traitor, he got amnesty in exchange for his research.
That is a thing that happened in that game.
As huge fan of ihnmaims, I subbed after their video and promptly unsubbed after the nazi video.
But yes, I have no mouth and I must scream actually has a game changing reveal like this for all of it's characters (major spoilers): Like that Gorrister wasn't responsible for his wife's insanity or that Benny's toxic masculinity and social darnisism is him trying to desparately deny his homosexuality to conform to his conservative christian upbringing. Just one reason I love the game
@@dinadina2000 From what I heard, Benny wasn't explicitly homosexual in the game itself. His arc revolves more around compassion and self-sacrifice.
@@TheJ13579 In game, his reveal was more subdued than the others, but it was that the deaths of his squad were 100% his own doing rather than any act of the enemy, iirc.
@@TheJ13579 See that was supposed to be the original draft and it's still there in the subtext, I wish they'd gone through with it.
Pretty sure the fawn girl helps Spyro
"These attitudes shaped by media went on to affect our political realm." That's the worst defense for politics in media I've ever heard!
"Imagine getting rid of Schindler's List because it makes some random person squeamish"
Oh, hi there Marvel, Netflix, and the entire cancel culture movement, didn't see ya there!
We need more squeamish nightmare films
Hey now don't bully Marvel too much, they just wanna get in bed with daddy China
I remember watching it and the only squeamish parts for me was the latrine scene. Even then it didnt feel all that bad.
@Mr. Dewott75 Hey, China hasn't done anything, least of all in Tiananmen square in 1986.
@@digitalunity Exactly. China is a paragon among paragons, and nothing happened in Tiananmen. Nothing at all. Ever. Stop researching and trust me.
It's funny how Extra Credits pretends to encourage all discussion of political topics, yet doesn't want you to think differently from them
Blizzard’s gonna open some positions for them soon
They are stuck in Neo Liberalism Capitalism Realism, that's why they defend high cost games, Anarchism now
Atucal being a coward/pansy because you kinda part of the inc. and wanted a “good relationship”
NintendoHub
May they go Broke in time
Giving arguements for a certain position and debunking other arguements against that position is not censorship my dude. Maybe when you will grow up and learn to actually respond to people's arguements and ideas instead of shouting "You just want to censor me!!! You hypocrite" you'll understand.
-So you bought a WW2 shooter.
-Yeah.
-And it has a PVP mode.
-Yep.
-And if it's PVP, the two teams will feud and be enemies.
-Sure.
-And it's well known that the two sides in WW2 were the axis powers and the allies.
-Uh huh.
-So it's to be expected that one of the two opposing sides will be the nazis!
-No, but why don't you make it about allied soldiers training in a boot camp instead? Boot camps are the part of WW2 everyone want to take part in, right?
I definitely want to be barked at by a sweaty Drill Instructor, oh boy! That's what I want to do! Don't let me be a Night Witch or someone who saved anyone. Hell, don't even let me be a field medic. I wanna be an out of shape 18 year old getting yelled at!
Small correction: While the Extra Credit crew had three Dans back when Dan was the narrator the new guys name is Matt not Dan. They even joked about this when they introduced him.
And hes the host because Dan was betrayed...
What cocks...
@@ccateni28 no he was replaced because dan had too much on his plate. That's why everyone left.
@@thecreatorofthedark not true...
That's a coverup because the remaining Extra Credits writer was a massive dick and made everything turn to shit there.
@@ccateni28 I'm interested is some more background on this, out of the loop on the going ons with extra credits team.
@@Izithel This is an example of one of the major things that happened to them. www.reddit.com/r/ExtraCredits/comments/8s3145/the_case_against_james_portnow/
Remember when Kirby canceled King Dedede on Twitter? I loved that part of Kirby’s Dreamland
jbiehlable I thought that'd be Taranza's folder lol
@brandon roberts which kanna?
@@azzzanadra Obviously the loli one
@@user-uj7rm6hc2u ok, I was thinking the other kanna
And then Meta Knight said the N-Word.
Whenever people bring up "ALL media MUST AND IS political" I think of it this way: There's two kinds of "political" media... Captain Planet and Sonic SatAM
Basically in a metaphor on how each of those shows handled the message of "protect the environment". Planet was preachy, dated and inaccurate and sometimes had weirdly dangerous messages the writer themselves personally shoehorned in with along side the episodes about recycling and pollution bad. Sonic SatAM had sonic doing cool things while protecting nature from the industrialized Robotnik where its message was purely allegorical.
The people sick of politics in gaming hate how the Captain Planet-like games are put on a pedestal by journalists and other voices that no longer speak for them and get sick of people saying "All TV should be like Captain Planet!"
The weasels advocating that everything is political ignore that people refer to Captain Planet and make it sound like their strawman opposition just hate Sonic SatAM and they at the same time swear they just want ALL games to be the Sonic SatAM of games...while clearly just wanting all TV to be Captain Planet because they have stakes in such.
Thank you for attending my TedTalk :p
You know, you may have used a strange-albeit fitting for this channel-analogy, but it perfectly describes what people really want when they say "less politics in games".
I'm gonna the be honest, Extra Credits recent artstyle makes it look like a parody of classic Extra Credits.
I've got no problem with games being political. Some of the best games I've ever played dealt with political ideas, it's politics being done poorly in games that causes these "get politics out of games" arguments.
The issue is sometime the game goes from being a game to propaganda
There's also politics being pushed onto games that don't have any. As well as the wrong politics being pushed when the game is clearly talking about something else.
Metal Gear Solid was wholly political and somehow that's always glossed over in these arguments. Even has some cheesy stuff you could consider "propaganda" but most is tongue in cheek.
@@beetlehorn "most" lmao did you play mgs peace walker? I would say that game in particular is the most overtly political game in the series especially when Snake and Miller have conversations talking about how cool Che Guevara was and doubly so since Hideo Kojima himself likes Che, hell Nier Automata is also pretty political too especially when you have those robots living in what is basically a Marxist utopia while fighting bosses named after philosophers including Marx and Engels.
8:13-8:37 And let's not forget one of the more humorous times that certain schools tried to ban Harry Potter, because it quote-on-quote "encouraged people to practice the dark arts", despite the secret society of magic users in the established lore of the books treating the use of anything remotely considered to be the dark arts as criminal activity, right down to even classing three particular spells being used as "unforgivable"; Them being torture, killing and essentially mind control.
There's even a class about defense against the dark arts
These people consider all forms of magic as the dark arts
@@eevee_mon Mainly because of Salem and the Puritans, who pretty much branded anybody that was considered a threat against their status quo as either a heretic or a witch.
A tactic that has been re-used for centuries.
Like with the Cold War and Communism, or when people were second guessing the direction the War on Terror was going, or now, with FOX news hacks or reactionary gits online, branding anyone they can other with inter-changeable buzzwords like "hating America", "SJW", "Woke" (which was stolen from a slang term by black people about being informed and up-to-date about society, and was bastardized in a similar vain as the whole Manji/Swaztika debacle in World War 2), or in the case of the LGBT+ community; "groomers".
You showed a picture candyland fun fact the frostine used to be a queen but now she's a princess, in fact many of the designs were "modernized" to basically look more like the Disney ideal (until frozen most of the queens were evil or useless so they weren't cool to girls) while not political it shows a cultural influence which I think would have been a better argument.
It's not always politics but a reflection of the most marketable of the times and places creators come from or are selling to.
Horton hears a who was written iirc about Japanese internment camps but was done in a way that could apply beyond this specific situation.
Media should reflect society but sometimes a cigar is a cigar
squirreltastic I always thought a Queen has more power than a princess
huh, that’s something I never thought I would know.
To be fair, making something marketable is political. That and I'm also cynical and I know that "woke" Disney is just trying to maximize profit and use the rhetoric of social justice to line their own coffers because it's currently profitable to appear like you give a shit about the oppressed.
Queen sounds older like a motherly figure, so with Candy Land being for kid’s primary enjoyment it makes sense to have a younger cast. Both queens and princesses can be very powerful especially in magical settings, but at the same time I’m very pleased with female empowerment. Gives a submissive male a niche.
Runningon Cylinders When will we get president Frostine or prime minister Frostine
"Extra credits thinks you're a bad person for signing up for the military in germany." Note, military service is manditory for a few years in germany.
No it isn't.
@@shimbim8289 ah you are correct. They changed it in 2011.
@@thomanator1000 So by Extra Credits logic every german that was of age for the army before 2011 is a bad person
Iron cross even existed during WW1.And I hope nobody of you goes on evil Nazi sites like Bundeswehr.de
Israel still does it. Even Gal Gadot was in the military because of it.
Ah yes, the idea that "all media is political". Bought to you by people who can't understand the difference between MGS2 and that Family Guy episode where Peter worked for Trump and he had tiny hands.
I gotta be real for a sec, this is my new favorite video from you. It takes a lot to call out someone you used to really respect for the scummy things that they've done, and on top of that, actually give a coherent unbiased analysis of why what they did was not okay. Despite all the backlash you may receive for attacking "le big intellectual all righteous RUclips people", you should know that you stood up for what was right, what was beneficial for the public to know. And it takes a lot to do that in odds of all consequences. Major props to ya, Enter.
well to be fair the videos he criticizes here have already received massive backlash, so it's not very daring at all, but it is still a very good video.
"Any dignity left" - We're way past that, we're already in negative digits.
Negative dignits.
Dignegatives.
Dingdong's sarcastic impression from Oneyplays Crash Bandicoot:
When I play a video game I don't want to play it for any sort of escapism or to have fun in any way or entertainment. I want to feel bad 24/7 everyday of my life. I want to be reminded of everything that's harsh in the world. Please drag all politics into games too, just bring it all in. Give me everything, everything I don't want to hear about, please!
Which one?
@@jackofalltrades6129 "Oney Plays Crash Bandicoot WITH FRIENDS - EP 8 - Vertex Lighting" 4:24
@@genogamma13 Thank you!
@@jackofalltrades6129 Would have replied sooner, but legit binged the series for old time's sake.
@@genogamma13 No worries! I honestly thought I was the only one who responded to 2 year old comments.
"All media is political"
Damn, I didn't realize how controversial tetris was
Skirdus Barbie Horse Adventures was really a Stone-cold analogy for the brutal treatment of labor in the 1920s Urban Jungle. You wouldn’t think so, but it is.
Tetris was Russian, all of the earliest versions of the game played up that Russian connection (mostly with the imagery and music), I'm sure that the sort of crappy person who argues about everything could find some political grist there.
@@Adorni mario is really a commentary on the social stigma towards the plumping industry. You wouldn't think so, but it is.
Flappy Bird was just a metaphor about the pointless nature of life. No matter how hard you flap, no matter how long you fly, sooner or later you hit a pipe, the pipe being a representation of death.
@@mr.outlaw231 You cannot permit Flappy Bird to be borne up by lofty higher impulses which blind him to the necessities of the moment, nor can he succumb to the savage gravity of his lower impulses which blind him to spiritual peril.
When people say "keep politcs out of games" they mean "stop making games that have such an overt unnecessary commentary on current politics thats gonna be dated in a decade that is just there to get woke points. We just wanna have fun."
Also while most things might have some form of politics, but thats not what there about. Sure mario has a monarchy ruled by a female leader that is portrayed in a positive light, but thats not the main focus of mario. The main fucking point of mario is that its a fun plat former.
If you put politics in something make it covert and subtle instead of overt. For example listen to the on the nose political music of the 60s compared to Rage Against the Machine or Green Day. 60s political music has aged like unpasteurized milk left outside in Arizona.
@dayzgone That's also true.
@@xxpandagalaxyxx5655
Also, one could say that the Super Mario Bros. games were never intended to spread a social justice message, in which it is wrong to kidnap someone for political power and forced marriage... probably because the creators assumed you already knew it and, hence, decided that Bowser kidnapping Peach would be an easy way to establish him as the bad guy you ought to defeat.
Well said
One thing that really gets me here is the part where he talks about "then you might go to these places and listen to their ideas and start believing them".
If you're afraid you're going to be convinced of something, that doesn't say much for the strength of the beliefs you hold now.
If an idea is bad, why don’t we let them out in public to be mocked? We don’t censor flat earthers, because we just let them say what they want and laugh at them. Censorship shows that you’re afraid of what somebody has to say, either because they may be right or because it may make people think about things you don’t want them to think about. There is no reason for censorship unless you’re losing.
It's like that old saying; "if you rip out a man's tounge, your not showing hes wrong, your showing the world your afraid of what they have to say." If someone is wrong, they should have the right to say it and be mocked afterwords. That's what we do with flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, etc. Their wrong and are mocked for being wrong. I guarantee you there would be more people believing this shit if we tried our damndest to silence them.
"Alright, let's dive into politics"
Consider we're talking about extra credits here, I predict you will be blocked by them shortly after you upload this online
you can block other youtube channels?
@@ilichantoniocamachosolis4108 If not, they will find a way.
They'll probably flag the vid tho that would lead to a shit ton of dislikes and hate so i don't think they'll risk it
@@TheArceusftw yes on their Twitter account
@@ilichantoniocamachosolis4108 Yes. It stops them from commenting on your stuff, I think.
The words “Political” and “Hypocritical” are often so linked that they’re practically synonyms of each other at this point.
Sometimes art is that way just because that’s how the author wants it to be. They’re not necessarily making a statement.
@@dr.altoclef9255 Oh my god! It's- God! *haaaaaaaah~
@@dr.altoclef9255 If the author isn't consciously making a statement, quite often that means not that a message isn't there, but that they're surrendering control over it to their own base, unspoken assumptions about the world. Those most often end up reaffirming whatever status quo might be in place at the time, of course.
Agi Hammerthief True. But does that count as a political statement or an interpretation? Then again, reality is in the eye of the beholder I suppose.
@@dr.altoclef9255 In my opinion, it's the latter that matters in the end, and it's quite obvious when a statement from the author is present. I'm talking, of course, about Rowling's tweets. I mean, say you read Harry Potter, and there are no signs that Dumbledore is gay, none whatsoever. Then you watch a movie, and there are no signs that Dumbledore is in a relationship with Grindelwald, either. Yet the author says both of those things are true. So is Dumbledore gay?
Stay tuned for Down the Rabbit Hole: Extra Credits.
Actually, there is one Russian tie in Tetris. The "Tetris Theme" is actually a Russian folk song. No one outside of Russia is going to know that of course, but it's an interesting bit of trivia.
pommybomber I herd it is based on a folk song but I don’t know witch one.
There is also a version of Tetris that has Russian imagery. Although it is a unofficial version of it. You know, the one that Nintendo sued the company who made that version.
Oh, but you're wrong. Mr. Enter made a logical factual claim. There is no political imagery(whatever that means) and therefore Tetris is not political or politically motivated.
(i agree, Mr. Enter is in fact wrong on this but wants to use absurdity as an argument)
@@chatboss000 Unless he was talking about the unofficial version of NES Tetris, Enter is right for the most part.
I think it’s a lot more well-known than you think that the BGM is based off Korobeiniki or however the heck you spell it.
I remember one of the first Extra History videos where they explained that they were using a different icon from the angled swastika for the Nazis because Germany banned the display of that icon in any non-educational context and they didn't want their videos banned in the country. Given the dialogue in this recent video (which is actually the first I'm seeing of it, and I don't even remember seeing it in my feed), I'm guessing the team forgot that somehow. It should at least have been mentioned.
Also, the new host's name is actually Matt. He's not one of the Dans. That's just a straight-up factual error.
Or they were using Germany as a cover to hide what they really feel, and this video was them letting out their true beliefs. Either way they're backpedaling on years of work they've done all to push this "we shouldn't play as nazis" angle.
Except, IIRC, the swastikas aren't censored in Germany as long as it's a documentary or any piece of media for educational purposes.
@@jp5394 That... *is* what I said.
Remember when journalists tried to politicise Doom Eternal and shoehorn in a metaphor for immigration?
That certainly doesn't appear to be in the actual game.
Oda Swifteye I believe they were, as one would say, “grasping at straws”. These leeches survive on clicks and views and this guarantees they’ll get those things.
This was because the game (at least in the e3 or quakecon trailer if I remember correctly,) had a couple lines that are like “earth is the melting pot of the universe,” “let’s make a welcoming environment for our new guests” “remember, demon is a offensive term, prefer to call them mortally challenged.”
Which is more or less making fun of the political landscape today and isn’t a metaphor for ‘immigration.’
@@Dr.Oofers Meh for me "Earth is a melting pot of the universe" is an obvious joke of mankind's stereotypical mindset that we are the central of the galaxy as said by Lockdown in Transformers 4 and appeared as a trope in any alien invasion films
Though the UAC announcer's "Demon is an offensive term" for me is really funny and enjoyable at times while blasting out some demons
Nope. Because I didn't even pay attention to those idiots.
DDR was a revolution, a communist revolution. Everyone is given the same songs and same sets of arrows. ;P
The Democratic Dance Republic
DDR was made by Konami so it's capitalism.
@@Chelaxim of course, it's a statement on the goods of music and consumerism as by dancing you gain joy and satisfaction, and wish to buy more of the games
I can be fuckin political with DDR: Why can't a person in a wheelchair play it? Discuss.
DDR is another name for East Germany. Deutschland Democratic Republic.
25:09 Extra Credits uses the iron cross instead of the swastika because media with the swastika is banned in Germany, and they'd like their videos to be viewed everywhere.. At least that was their stated reasoning in one of their Extra History videos from way back when. Maybe their reasoning has changed, or maybe not, or maybe it's just habit now. I can't really say.
On the subject of the Iron Cross, the reason they use it instead of the swastika or Nazi imagery is because of German laws about the use of said imagery, which they discuss in a three-minute video corresponding with their Battle of Kursk series. They want to avoid using it out of fear their videos may be censored in Germany. There are two big reasons why I don't like this reasoning;
1.) It completely misses the point of the laws around Nazi imagery in the first place. While I fundamentally disagree with any laws that prohibit the use of any imagery, the law is specific in that it concerns the context of the image. For instance, the swastika is a religious symbol for some southeastern Asian people, as such its use there is permitted. It also protects the use of it in education, which is the point of their videos. Thus the concern over German law surrounding the imagery is nonsensical as German law would in no way impede the video as it is intended to be educational.
2.) The use of the Iron Cross as interchangeable for the swastika is contradictory to both the point of the video and their backtracking comment about why they care about video games enough to make the video in the first place. First, by using the Iron Cross interchangebly they are committing the same sin they are discussing in the video, except far more egregiously in my opinion. By using the Iron Cross as an example of hateful imagery they are spreading misinformation about the topic and giving people the wrong impression that the Iron Cross is Nazi imagery. Furthermore, they say one of the reasons they made the video was because the point of their channel is to have these complex discussions, but by using the Iron Cross in this way they display their incompetence for everyone to see.
Strangely enough, I think the use of the Iron Cross is less concerning if it was as simple as them not wanting to display the imagery because they don't want to offend people. At least then they wouldn't be hitting us the realization that a channel that produces historical education is incapable of understanding a law pertaining to the portrayal of history.
Another law in Germany forbids trivializing the Holocaust for any reason. A law which Peta failed to research before attempting to display their "Holocaust on Your Plate" exhibition in Germany back in 2003. Fortunately, the German High Court banned the exhibition from being displayed in Germany; but Peta founder and president Ingrid Newkirk did not apologize until 2005.
@@michaellovely6601 Holy shit that's the funniest thing I've heard all day
@@alextankersley5838 Peta is an organization full of psychopaths.
Meanwhile everyone else on RUclips just uses the RUclips play button as their own bit of subtle commentary in place of nazi imagery. Srsly even if they just left the armbands and symbols blank we'd know they're nazis, we've shot them in games for nearly 30 years by that point.
@@gratuitouslurking8610exactly, or if they just used it and blurred it out, I think that would’ve gotten the message across just as well without misinforming about the iron cross.
"you either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
I think I understand why first dan left. He saw himself in the mirror one day, and didn't like what he saw.
There's also the fact that James was enacting more and more control over the company, driving out and harassing other members of the group including Will, James's ex, and Carrie (Dan's wife).
His work of animation analysis on New Frame Plus is pretty great btw. Better than having his name attached to the trainwreck that is Extra Credits today
I'm really glad you make videos on online creators like this, it really helps to shine a light on the fact that not every video made by "smaller" channels or places that try to explain "the truth" are going to be accurate; and how important it is to not just blindly accept everything someone says and look at things more carefully
Hey, Mr. E. There are a lot of topics and videos that you've discussed over the years that usually end in a whole 'agree to disagree' feeling with me but this is one that really hits it home.
When people say they are tired of politics in media, it usually has more to do with media taking a stance against one side and one side only to the point where both sides are exaggerated to intolerable degrees. I think a good way to look at it is how well a movie like Joker did compared to a movie like Captain Marvel or Watchman. I compare these movies because Joker didn't advertise itself on its politics; that's what media sites did and they threw the movie under the bus in the process. But DESPITE this, Joker is slowly climbing to 1 billions in profit, WITHOUT China mind you, on its own footing and word of mouth.
In the cases of Captain Marvel and Watchman, CM was helped by Disney in getting all the advertisment and attention it needed and the media praised it but despite it's earnings the general audience couldn't care for it. Watchman, which is on TV, is doing TERRIBLY because it took Moore's story and shifted it in ways that even he didn't put into the original work. Oh, Watchman had some symbolism but the 'continuation' or whatever it wants to consider itself for this version has hamfisted the messages so much that people have been turned off and again, most of that has to do with the people in charge waving around the politics before actually getting people interested in the story. THAT type of political grand-standing is what kills interest and creativity and all around us you can see how people are reacting to it; they don't want it. They don't want it because 'they agree with the bad guys', they don't want it because nothing is being told. Nothing is being taught. Nothing is being conveyed. All that we're getting now are lectures; lectures from people who are out of touch from people who aren't in their bubble. Lectures from people who want a prize without doing anything to really deserve it.
And as for the WW2 analogies, lemme say this from someone who's grandfather was in the fight; what EC is trying to imply, that people who play games with Nazis or are given the choice to switch between POVs of them in games want to BE Nazis, is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard and just one of many 'takes' that have been given by shitty 'game journalist' in the past five years. It does play into the whole 'OMGGGGGG, PLAYING GAMES WITH GUNS MAKE YOU VIOLENT!!!!' OR, going back to Joker, the whole idea that a simple idea can INSTANTLY turn an entire sub-culture into monsters the second the see it.
Remember how so many media outlets were running their mouths about how Joker was going to cause mass shooting sprees?
I don't hear bullets but I sure do hear cash-registers going off as Joker, as of the date posting this, is still making money.
And what exactly is EC trying to say? That games that do depict WW2 or other realistic events should not make notice of the antagonist of said side? All because they're under the impression that people will suddenly change their minds and go 'Oh, I wish the evil people had one instead!'. Where are they getting this logic from? Oh, wait. I know. The people they brought in who hate gaming, the people who make up the hobby and are instead trying to swing things so it makes it look like their POV is the only right one by painting all games as 'male, cis, straight, white sexist, racist, bigoted-' and it goes on and on. The biggest irony of this? I'm a Black woman and I've hated this type of talk even when Jack Thompson was saying this shit. The new breed here may think that what they say is 'different' only because they aren't Jack but it's the same inflammatory attitude but the thing that makes all of this so fucked up is that these are 'fellow gamers' who are saying this but from what they present, they make it clear that they aren't 'gamers' as they say they are, or at the very least aren't interested in the type of games that are popular with a certain sect of people and just assume that they're popular because the people who play them absorb nothing but the negative aspects of said game, even if that NEGATIVE is what they're (the players) fighting against.
tl;dr- EC just did the same strawman argument we've seen places like Polygon, Kotaku, and other soon to be defunct gaming news sites have been spouting out since 2013. The only question is why the hell they're so late to the catch when that bus took off long ago.
Holy crap why does this comment not have more likes. I've been reading this comment section for a while, and this is literally the best comment here. I know my words don't mean much, but dammit I wish there were more people like you around. I agree with everything you said.
I learned about the CSI Effect in a forensics class.
There were people who were so convinced that the methods and tech used in the show were real that they would give terrible verdicts because “they didn’t collect enough evidence.” Even if the evidence collected clearly showed a person’s innocence or guilt, the jury would still be convinced that there should have been more because in CSI shows, they always manage to get everything.
Eventually, courts started to interview their jury members before starting a trail about the CSI show, if they’ve watched it, and if they believe whatever they see in the show. If they say “yes,” they’re excused because they would have a bias made from the show.
It’s a shock how a show like this could effect people THIS MUCH.
Shows like Hawaii Five-O make me wish Law Enforcement actually was that competent
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Imagine if Mr. Enter puts Extra Credits as the #1 worst cartoon of the 2010's.
DEW IT
he probably won't because he only ever picks cartoons that where produced and aired on tv or where given a dvd release.
Mr. Enter: *I used the Extra Credits to destroy the Extra Credits*
There are few things I hate hearing online more than the old "all forms of media are political" argument, be it from Extra Credits or Jim Sterling or whoever. As someone who regularly uses media as a stress reliever to block out the rest of the world for an hour or two, it almost feels personally insulting.
When we say we don't want politics in videogames, we don't mean we don't want game devs to never ever touch upon politics. I have no mouth and I must scream was definitely a game that clearly touched upon the human condition, and most people love that game. What we mean is we're tired of game devs bragging about how their game has a woman as the protagonist, even though we've had female protagonists in videogames for well over 30 years now. I'm sorry, but female protagonists in videogames really isn't something to brag about anymore.
WeegeeSlayer this comment deserves the top spot
"All media is policital"
Only a sith deals in absolute...
Which is in and of itself an absolute. The point of that line is supposed to be that it's bullshit. The Jedi are not wise in the prequels.
Also, what are you watching that is not political? Because you have to be either watching paint dry or nothing at all for it to not be political.
@@pantslesswrock It was a joke....
The body swap episode of Tuff Puppy wasn't political.
UNLESS, you want to assume it was a deep, thought provoking commentary, on how men like the Puppy character are objectively dumber than women, as shown by the size of their brains, while mind swapping with a female.
OR, maybe you could think that the fact that the villain ignores Dudley's cartoonishly childish eating and use of infinite wealth, when he should KNOW that Kitty acts the opposite...
*IS A COMMENTARY ON HOW DUMB MEN CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INTELLIGENT WOMEN AND "DUMB" WOMEN!!??*
...I mean, you *SAID* all media is political, so that HAS to be the case, right? :P
@@KittyKatty999 It doesn't have to be deep to be political. I do not know of the show or episode you refer to, but I'll see if I can track it down, and let you know what I think
"You can see how it is working out for Blizzard" funny how this situation is result of them trying to enforce strict "no politics of any kind allowed" rule they have
From what I've researched: (and it's quite possible I'm sticking my foot in my mouth)
1. James has resigned from, or is at least leaving, EC, it was announced on their Halloween episode, so things may get better after awhile both Dan and Matt are just the mouth pieces for James' research and possibly point of view. From what I've read from past "employees", for lack of a better term, James may be the rotten apple in the EC barrel. Good game designer, lack luster human being.
2. The excess money that was crowd funded for Allison's surgery was confiscated by The Escapist, who were producing the show at the time. My understanding was that it was a part of their contract. It was one of the reasons EC left them.
Sadly on point 1, they haven't really gotten better, though I have no idea of the staffing since Dan the First left for Extra Frames. After all, gotta perpetuate the 'orcs are black people' bullshit as a universal thing eh guys?
I'm a fan of the death of the author concept when it comes to authors retroactively changing their work later on.
The perfect example of this is Harry Potter, which did not originally include wizards shitting their pants in class.
Whoa, when did THAT happen?
@@smashmaster521 After Fantastic beasts and where to find them started getting Movies, J.K Rowling started to become more active on twitter with Trivia. Before Muggles invented modern plumbings, wizards literally shit anywhere they could, then magic-ed it away soemwhere else. She's also follows TERFs, Trans Exclusionary radical Feminists, online. Its pretty sad, honestly.
@@godzilla4189 Slight correction: They didn't magic their shit away somewhere else, they "vanished" it, which has been established in-universe as basically just erasing it from existence.
This doesn't make it _better,_ of course and I'm still ignoring the statement entirely.
@@CJCroen1393 I wish I could just vanish my shit.
Anne Rice saying her vampires aren't gay when two vampire dudes literally raised a kid together, then years later having those two vampires kiss.
Delusions of grandeur have risen to astounding levels in Extra Credits.
I'd love to see Dan create a dissertation on the political nuances of the old flash game "Spank the Monkey" where all you do is click on a hand that spanks a cartoon monkey
What even is the point of such a game anyway?
@@eymed2023 if I had to guess, the point is to make you giggle for a second.
Playing as a nazi in a video game causes people to act like them in real life.
And playing Minecraft makes me want to explore the deadliest caves in the world.
When I saw the original EC video, my heart broke. That show was there for me when I didn't know I could, or should, be a game dev. I didn't know if I could do ANYTHING. And they helped me through a dark time. They were more than a content creator for me. Seeing them now is like seeing an old friend going down a bad road you can't save them from.
Like watching a beloved getting addicted to heroin and refusing to listen to others.
I think if they replaced the word "political" with "biased," it would make a little more sense. Just a little.
Basically what Fox does.
Nothing gets an argument more heated than the politics of Nintendogs.
Aw yes, the politcs behind a game based around *mundane pet care*
I love how people are commenting when it's literally impossible to have watched the entire video at this point.
I'll update this comment when I watch it for real.
Edit: Alright, I watched it. I agree with Enter on pretty much everything. Playing the bad guy in a video game doesn't mean you support them at all, or those ideas are normalized to you now.
People really need to separate fiction from reality. Also, the idea of everything being political is so stupid- a fantasy story involving a revolution isn't a commentary on monarchies, it easily can just be added for a good narrative. These kinds of ideas complete ruin the idea of escapism and try to determine the serious characteristics of people based on stuff that is by definition fiction.
Just let people have fun in some silly games without being called the worst.
I’ll be waiting here
A story about a political revolution in a fantasy setting is probably going to be at least unintentionally grounded in real-world political history - the makeup of the revolutionaries, the monarch's family/structure, how the monarchy presents their power, the methodology of the revolutionaries and the reactions of the monarchy - all often based of something political. Like, these things don't spring from a vacuum. That's what people mean when something is unintentionally political, that because a creator is influenced by their surroundings their work will include some of that. Political in this case doesn't necessarily mean government or even controversial politics. Pong can be considered political unintentionally because it is a player vs player game with a single winner - it's a competition but the fact that competitions are so prevalent that the first videogame(s) are competitive says something. It's not to say that every game can be extrapolated to some political statement, but it's mostly (like 99%) impossible for a creator to completely separate themselves from their surroundings when creating anything.
As for playing the bad guy not supporting them, I can see that in a WW2 game it makes sense for axis to be one side of a conflict. I think this is where the term "normalization" comes in - not to make them good or sympathetic, but to make them "meh." That you can be ambivalent in a historic shooter because there's little to no mechanical difference between either side. It's also not that nobody can separate fiction from reality, but with something like Nazis there's merit to not making them seem like just regular soldiers. I mean, most other mediums don't often make Nazis out to be people you cooperate with.
"Playing the bad guys in a WW2 shooter will make you just like them!"
But I don't support socialism... (Not here to argue politics, just trying to make a point).
Twak Wait so being influenced by where you live is seen as....political?😅
@@gracekim25 Maybe not in the common usage of political, but yes.
"People have risked their lives and died making fun of terrorists"
Fitting you where still playing South Park footage because that line reminded me of 200/201 when Matt and Trey got death threats from Islamic extremists
Actually, that pair of episodes didn't get them death threats. Comedy Central is run by pansies thinking those episodes (which actually respected all the rules to respect Mohammed and Islam in general) would get terrorist threats and shit.
@@TheSpecialPsycho source please?
@@azzzanadra
I forgot the origin of the info.
Don't forget the moral learned speech in the end where violence actually does get you what you want.
Man, that Wocket in my Pocket line aged really well since they banned six Dr Seuss books.
"It's even ok for businesses to ban games that go against their values" remember when they went againist the US Army for doing that when they banned metal of honour? This is when extra credits died. Not extra history, that would be far later, but extra credits died when they went againist their own arguments
cyber crashers tv When did Extra History die? I’ve heard a lot of hoopla about the core series going off the rails, but not History (oddly).
K1naku5ana3R1ka Extra History as an educational series is deeply flawed since they deliberately put in errors in service of an entertaining narrative and often fail to cite their sources, and then correct themselves in a talking head video that fewer people will watch compared to the much higher production value main videos with drawings and musical score
@@KnakuanaRka when they decided to delete history like Woodrow Wilson and other people with southern sympathies. That is when I cannot trust a source anymore, when it feels like David Irving is giving them fighting tips! Christ, imagine if that was their thought process during their kirsch series
My God, you are lame
" I'm sure that makes sense in whatever storm drain your drinking from" that had me dying
It's ridiculous. It's entirely possible for any piece of media to have no political bent - Skyrim has some political themes, but save 'Fuck the Thalmor', it very intentionally does not push any side, most obviously the Imperials and Stormcloaks, so that any player can comfortably choose either side.
Furthermore, the claim that any and all deep meaning is political is absolute rubbish. I could make a entire game exploring the deep and complex themes of immortality of the soul, life after death, and the relationship between the body and soul, discussed in Plato's Phaedo. And it would have literally nothing to do with politics.
Oh boy did this video age well. I guess Mr. Enter completely forgot about what he said in this video…
If this about a certain red panda movie... Enter never said anything like that.
And he recently apologized for it.
@@RhapsodyHC Yea I saw that. It’s good that he did so.