Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia - Clive & Python Support Conversations
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2017
- Rank C, B, and A support conversations between Clive and Python in Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia. These support conversations are only obtainable after completing the "Siege of Zofia Castle" map from the DLC, Rise of the Deliverance Pack ($12.99).
Game: Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia
Platform: Nintendo 3DS (retail/eShop)
Release Date: May 19, 2017
Price: $39.99
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Python might be the most down to earth character in this game form what I've seen so far and I love him so much for this definitely using him when I get the game
kinda reminds me of a kinder Shinon
Zero Basssoul Except Shinon is slightly more of an asshole XD
How's your experience with Python? Honestly Tobin as an archer is a lot better for me cause Python dies a lot more than Tobin does.
Oh and I agree with the Shinon thing, Python is not a straight up dickbag, can be friendly, and surprisingly offers sensible advice (look up him and Lukas' convo).
Faraae Python in my run had much more speed and attack while Tobin had more Skill and luck. I HAD to give Tobin Pegasus cheese in order for him to catch up to Python in terms of speed. You just have to grind Python a bit but he's by no means useless. Let Python hit with doubles (Even WITH a silver bow sometimes) Let Tobin have a Blessed Bow for doubles or if you wanna just do one strong shot a Killer Bow. His supports can give him a max increase in Crit by 15%. I don't know Python's max effects from his but it's mostly a boost in hit chance I think.
Matthew S. Yup that's what happened to my Tobin and Python too. Python generally has the higher Mt, and mostly doubles, but my god, his hit rate is 78 at most and I've seen it at 18. Python never fucking hits. Too bad archers are broken in this game and I need to use both of them. I'm at the boss of act 5 and I feel massive regret for not properly training Python and Tobin. Now I'm playing my second save file that was saved on act 4, trying to properly train my elite 10 so that I'll be less fucked.
Doug Erholtz clearly had fun voicing Python lol. Easily one of my favorite characters in this game
I know, right? I was gonna say that Doug definitely was the best choice for Python... I mean, he makes him my favorite character just by voicing him lol. And if you've seen some of the other works Doug's been in as well... Naruto, One Punch Man, Xenoblade Chronicles, Blue Dragon... even Care Bears! lol. But yeah, you can tell how great of a voice actor this guy is.
@JJ97218 Frye
@@SchneiderAndAndropov Even Squall form Final Fantasy.
Philosophical debate? In _my Fire Emblem game?_
I guess it's more likely than I thought.
Python, once again, has the deepest and most profound supports. Great dynamic in this support
Python's "Ahh!" made this conversation go from a perfect 0 to a perfect 10... Is this real life?
Genuine Artistry I was weired out to hear him say something in a tone other than, "I don't give a shit."
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
All voice acting in this game is a 10/10. I love this game
Henry Gutierrez No escape from reality
Man, those Supports are out of this world. Perfect.
Tons n' Tons what are you on about? These supports are pretty poor.
Umm ... no, they're all pretty freaking good. All of them have a purpose, and add character developement and show their personality even more
The may be few, but honestly having 15 amazing supports is just better than having 200+ supports, most of them forced
@@Mattroid99 honestly echos suffered the exact opposite problem and had too little supports. If all of them were as well written as this I would love some characters more. Just imagine faye and leon support, both having onesided loves, but one is a healthy way to cope while the other way isnt, and them talking to each other.
I thought that this support chain was gonna be Clive getting mad at Python for slacking off. I was presently surprised with how it actually turned out.
This support explains why python didn't want to be a Knight at the end of the game. He didn't want to conform to social hierarchies so he started a militia instead because he believes in equal security. I wish Donnie in awakening did the same thing instead of just re-conforming to society and going back to the farm or Mariabelle not being a magistrate if she marries him. They built his character so much but gave him a terrible ending.
William McAlpine if they made them act like Python then Python would've been a ripoff of them.
Chuuni Chewer I hear you but I don't want to change Donell's character just his ending because I find it bogus that 1.) He becomes the strongest character and decides to hang it all up when his dream was to travel the world.
2.) His support with Mariabelle is one of the best in the game and would explain why their kid talks with a slang but there ending drags it down because they do more good in the end when paired with other people.
@@williammcalpine2718 I mean if we are talking about who makes more sense as Brady's father I'd say is vaike, since donnel is just illiterate, vaike on the other hand does curse quite a lot(I know I'm a bit (2years) late
Python is too real omf-
Least controversial way I've seen a game address priviledge
Gross
If you use race privilege as a stand-in for the cruel realities of the gap between nobility and peasant class, then you're pretty fucked up as a person. Only a privileged person can claim something like that unironically.
Dude this got so real so fast
It really did, now more than ever actually.
So Python just told a dude to check his privilege and it was done in a non preachy way too, IntSys can get writers that do great characters and dialogue if they try.
Now all they need to do is fix the stories. (though this game's story was pretty decent)
Noktis Zariah I thought the story was alright considering the time period of the source material. The voice actors especially made the story enjoyable.
While I agree that the characters are well written, the support didn't ultimately write Python in the right for actually saying that to Clive.
From the sound of it many of the 'commoners' berated for it too.
My only gripe with the story is the rewtites they did in Celica's route. It made her much more naive than she should be and it also has to pull out a fake out death.
4 years later I still think about this support It just feels so human and realistic
I LOVE Python's character. I'd just like him more if he was a bit more useful in game.
hands down one of, if not the best support in the game
Anyone notice that python says he'll never risk his life and livelihood to defend others when that's what he ends up doing in both of his endings?
This is why I love these support conversations. They seem almost... realistic.
Damn....... Python is so freaking knowledgeable about life....... And funny!!!!
"its not structure, its privilege" has to be the best quote Ive heard in a while ;-;
This reminds me of Gaius and Chrom
Ah this amazing voice acting
I really don't like Clive, but it's also really refreshing to see a character that's not exactly perfect and done in a kind of realistic manner? His flaws are more with his upbringing than with himself as a person, which is actually a pretty common issue this day and age. Most characters in Echoes mostly seem to stick to a specific trope and come off really generic or poorly written, but Clive is one of the more believable characters to me.
Media doesn't usually portray the whole 'people aren't entirely good or bad' thing all too well as it usually goes wild with extremes. But I think they did a good job tackling it with Clive, especially considering the small amount of dialogue he has in comparison.
I agree with everything you say apart from Echoes characters being one-note. There are some very human characters in this game with more than one side to them including Clair, Tobin, Gray, Sonya, Kliff, Lukas, Berkut, Fernand, Leon, Boey, Mycen and the list goes on. I'd like to hear some examples of poorly written characters in this game, if you wouldn't mind (excluding Celica).
windfishie I think most of note is that Clive not only has his flaws, but is aware of them, however isn't so easily able to change. With characters in media often times they just change on a dime once they want to, but with Clive- while he knows the flaws in his beliefs and tries his hardest to act and treat everyone fairly, he still has trouble fully doing that, and that is part of what makes him so human.
Not only does he have flaws, but he actively struggles with them.
windfishie Really? Of course Fire Emblem characters have "their own thing", like Deen being an edgy boy, Faye being obsessed with Alm, Clair being extra asf and so on, but that doesn't make them bad characters
hey fk u
Goon! Celica isnt badly written tho?
Is it me or are these DLC supports longer than others?
Also it's strangely funny to see Clive (one of the most mediocre units in Gaiden) acknowledging that he is shit.
And Python is 2nd best character now next to Lukas
They do
yeah, if only all the support of the game could be like the one of those DLC... all deliverance support are the best
Tbh this is ine of python his best moments, he just seems so down to earth
This is Python's best conversation. All that dialogue showing us depth
Python: The Working Class Hero
This is the best conversation in all of Fire Emblem. Jesus Christ.
Ikr
I gotta be honest...On my first playthrough i didnt like python much. He just seemed like a lazy douche who didnt perform well in battle
Second run onward, he really grew on me. His supports with forsyth and clive are among my favorites in the series. Statistically, he isnt the best in the world due to his skill, but as a character hes very enjoyable and down to earth and hes one of my favorite archers in the series
Man was one of my best units on my first playthrough, and idk why, but he was hilarious. Growing up has helped me better understand his character and how down to earth he actually is.
God the writing in this game is so good-
It's top tier.
I think that both their sides have some sort of merit. I think Clive is right to an extent, where he says that there should be nobility and people beneath them. As a grander concept, it's much like, there should be the rich and the poor. This is highly controversial, and if I go too far, it will get too political, which I don't want this post to be. To put it simply though, I believe that there needs to be people who stand above others in order to lead and create opportunities for those below them. If they are seen as having more merit, and as a result are of a higher class than those they lead, then so be it. That's how I look at things at least, and I'm sure Clive does as well. But the problem with Clive, and where Python is correct is that while he does try to get friendly with those below him, he still does look down on them, as he looks at them differently from himself. Clive is still a good person regardless, but he's a product of his environment, much like Python is to his. Python is mainly correct in that while there are people above you in social class, they still shouldn't look down on you just because of class, because chances are some were born in a more favorable situation than others, and if they look down on someone because of something like that, which shouldn't matter, then that's a real problem.
Honestly, I agree. Economic equality sounds grand and perfect, but if it sounds too good to be true then it's gonna be a mess in practice. I mean, look at what communism stood for and look at what it actually did.
The problem isn't structure. The problem is people hate the idea that they're followers in the grand scheme of things, even if it makes perfectly sound logic. In truth a society *needs* leaders like Clive, despite his opinion on things, he clearly cares for people like and unlike himself and will do what's necessary for all that follow him in earnest (Python even attests to this). And disagreements are normal, but should never escalate to violence (which they typically do in this day and age). The real problem lies in people who believe they are better than others and will do anything to prove it, but when they meet someone they believe aren't better than them (even if they are), they lash out. Why? Because all their life they were told they were the best by the people who cared for them, making them blind and prideful to the point of stupidity. Either that, or they just can't stand to do the things they need/should do to be part of a healthy environment (work, respect the laws of your community, be courteous), and when someone cracks down on them they reject it, and by doing so reject the very structure needed to make a society function.
I'm a middle/low class citizen and I work paycheck to paycheck. I'd like to believe I'm as honest/courteous as they come. Despite my own standing in society, I'm not going to hate someone who's better than me, makes more than me, or happened to live a better life than me because they were born into it or worked for it, and I have no issues following the leader in any situation because generally those are situations that require me to do so and it's the right thing to do. However, all of that comes to a stop the moment I or anyone I care for is disrespected or neglected. I believe *that* is the one and only time anyone has the right to lash out, regardless of who you are/what you make or think. The moment someone *truly* treats you like shit, that is the moment they need to be reminded that though they may or may not be better than you, they're just as human as you are and bleed the same. Without structure, there is only chaos. In chaos, everyone loses. Wish America would wake the fuck up and realize that. Instead people are going for each other's throats just because of their skin color or political stances. Like people, do you not realize there are MUCH greater things to fight for than your stupid pride or willfully ignorant claims?
True, structure is necessary, but as soon as people who are not fit to be a part of the upper levels of said structure, then some cracks begin to show, even if the structure is necessary. I think another problem that arises is that people in the lower levels of the structure do not see the metaphorical cracks in the same way as those in the upper levels. To someone in the bottom, something may seem like a crack, but to the person on the upper level, it is a necessary. But it's not as if one side is inherently correct. People in the lower parts of the structure can frequently see themselves as higher morally than those above them, as a way of comforting themselves, and this itself can also lead to disagreements and possibly violence. It's really something that goes both ways.
Oh yeah, no doubt. I wasn't trying to imply those in charge are good, just in an ideal world for a structure to be perfect you need people in the upper levels who care for everyone equally, and those in the lower levels to fall in line without feeling like they're not as important. In my personal opinion it's just egoism, pride, and greed that ruins it for everyone.
Pik3rob I totally agree that structure in a society is important, and that it is natural for rich and poor people to exist, but what is not natural and is unfair and unjust is for those of middle and low class (especially low class) to not be given basic necessities of life while those who are rich get everything. This is just pure tyranny and inequity.
Although it is not realistic to demand equality, what is realistic and should be achieved is equity, and the two concepts are different. When equity is applied, not everyone would be the same really and the structure of society Clive spoke of would still remain, but at least all people would live a life that is appropriate and decent.
Python is so based
Lmao! "...Er, sir."
it's like every time i see something with python in it it just makes him better
I can imagine Clair just pointing her lance at python
Clive - the warrior of light, Kagura Mutzuki
Python - Squall Leonhart, Hazama/Terumi
Dan of Steel and Jean Pierre Polnareff in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders too
python is now one of a favs
python may now be my new face ourite character, replacing cormag, he's just so fucking good
Makes me sad that supports like that Are locked behind Dlc
but free dlc right?
@@klutzkoady4996 each one is $3.99. The supports are one of the rewards for completing the dlc maps, which there are 4 of in total (so about a total of $16)
Worse still is the fact that unless you bought them before the eShop closed... Then it's inaccessible.
I like more the conversations in Alm's side than Celica's side
Bout time someone told Clive he ain't shit. I was sick of all the NPCs kissing his butt
Wait, so the DLC is worth it? Cool! Love the support conversations in this game.
Don't worry, I plan to do that.
If you like to know more about the deliverance before meeting Alm, then it’s worth getting. It’s really interesting.
accidental classist
Okay like...these conversations are so fu***** deep, that I'm literally too dumb for them! Sad life srl
Python is BEST BOY!
python's point of view aged a lot better than clive's
Python is such a woke bae
Mari O yas
Wow... just wow
Python is one of my favs !
Dang his name is Python, voiced by Doug Erholtz, and is named after a snake...hmmm sounds familiar
Man i'd wish they made supports more supports this good again. SoW had really, really good supports. cant really think of a single bad one.
But it really has taken a nosedive afterwards with three houses and engage, where half the time, supports dont go anywhere.
Fire Emblem: Class Warfare
damnit I love Python
I'm only in act 4 but why is he so bad for me right now?? Growth rates bad or am I getting rng fucked? It's so hard to train him
J Slick Python is the "Est" of Alm's side, he has poor stats at first, hard to train him, but soon enough he'll be one of your finest archers with High Speed and Attack. It may not be your style (I wouldn't know) but grinding a bit with Python is something to do and worth it in the long run.
You could be getting RNG screwed or maybe he's not trained enough. All my Python usually gets is attack and speed, but he's insanely good (Bow Knight promotion helps patch up his shoddy HP, skill, and defense). I'm in act 4 as well but with a forged Iron Bow and Forsyth nearby, he usually doubles for great damage with 100% accuracy. Guaranteed ORKOs against mages are always great.
My Pythons a level 7 sniper with only like 77 overall. Although I generally promoted him either right away or a couple levels after available promotes. Rarely doubles and is even mediocre as chip damage for non-mages
Actually, the Est of Alm's route is Delthea, not Python.
J Slick Whenever I used Python on my first playthrough I would always say "Alright, let's see fuck up somehow mess this up. Aaaand he does." He was my best unit on my second playthrough, though.
python is my new fave
Leave it to the privileged to make sure their privilege stays and everybody else suffers in the name of "structure" and "that's how its always been"
if only he was a good a unit as a support conver
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I thought Python could only support with Forsyth and viceverea?
Proto L If you beat the Deliverance DLCs then Forsyth and Python both unlock supports with Lukas and Clive, and Clair unlocks supports with Mathilda.
+Badass Owl Supports locked behind an expansion?! Great....
Wow, Forsyth has left a dislike. It's funny from him.
I like how down to earth Python is...just wish he was a better unit. Leon and Tobin do so much better than him in the archery department. Python is friggen cross-eyed.
python being proven right in the future w valm lol, rip (plus like, anyone who reads this support and doesn't recognize how bullshit clive is, jesus christ have you ever been poor lol). also it's so interesting to me that people interpreted python as actually Fully Agreeing To Disagree, no he still thinks clive is wrong and and he is right about that, but he can't keep antagonizing him because his fuckin job and position would be at stake and it wouldn't be helpful. i like the little hint and nod at him not choosing to be part of the power structure in his ending and instead helping the common people w a militia.
before anyone says anything yes i am a communist lol
holy crap this is like a commentary on white privelage this is lit
Kidd Felt more like a commentary on SJWs, but take from it what you will.
MultiKarmacharger nah.
MultiKarmacharger cause he literally says that clive has privilege so like....
Going My Way I mean I get that but I'm saying it's like a metaphor
Going My Way for the way nonwhite people are treated and how we'll never be able to relate
4:35 Python the feminazi? xD
Lynx Willow hahahahaha though in this case it makes sense, he talks about classism which was a huge issue way back when.
Lynx Willow 3rd wave feminists may compare skin color privelidge to class, but unlike the former, classism undeniably exists in feudalism. The debate is whether Valentia needs strong rulers or leaders who share struggles with their people.
Yeah, They say all whites are privileged, all males are too. But not fat people? Who were able to get that way and privileged enough to have so much to eat and money to buy it? >.< feminists make no sense
But yes, i agree with you ^^
This comment made me wish I couldn’t read
@@TheShanicpower I agree