Investigating Fallout's Finale
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- Опубликовано: 17 апр 2024
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A long winded rambly video about the big reveal in the fallout shows finale, as well an over analysis on the vault tec meeting with RobCo, REPCONN, West Tek, And Big MT, curiously represented by Frederick Sinclair, Owner Of the Sierra Madre from dead money. this and more, apologies if i repeat myself a couple times or say basically too much, cheers 
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Just a disclaimer, i may be a bit rusty on my fallout lore, nothing a playthrough of all the games cant fix, also apologies if repeat myself, i might have been a bit deep in the bag while recording. i wouldnt recommend taking a shot everytime i say "basically" this time as you succumb to alcohol poisoning. anyways hope everyone enjoys a long winded speculation fuel ramble, cheers ps: i didnt think id talk that long lol
Mr House played their game. He made Vault Tec show their cards without showing his. The House Always Wins.
Best character wasn’t made by Bethesda! 😂
@@stevenbacon-cheddar9914 hence he would be killed by Todd in the TV show
@@jonaspeteYeah Im pretty sure house will be killed off in the show.. sadly
@@Matt-yj1lz No stap it!!! its not true! IM noOT LISTening LALALALA (jk love the guess you may be correct)
@@Matt-yj1lz he either gets killed off in the show, or never seen again in any media so I’ll take it
House Always Wins
Untill I got behind that curtain with a 9 iron
Heya Mr House! Benny told me to keep an eye on you, I guess he probably wants to kill you. Pretty dumb, huh?
NCR HERE
Dude when ar u gonna pay ur taxas standing infront of the lucky 38 for like 2 mo ths now paaaaaaayyyyyyy up
people thinking Hank being pre-war is weird is nothing compared to the Cabot Family.
Oh yeah the alien vampire family
@@TheHonoredMadmanthere like if that show “ancient aliens” was real
The are from before the Great War and before the 1900's. Which mean a lot.
@@16ktsgamma
Lorenzo Cabot was born in the 1800's
Harold was also Pre-War. He was born in 2071.
The greatest thing about the show is having the original Vault Tec boy bobblehead, surviving the nuclear apocalypse as a ghoul, and going on a rampage 200 years later to set things straight. To me, at least
Vault tec stole his whole image, he even came up with the damn thumbs up
i love this too
@@TheHonoredMadmanit was so cool to see that😂 I swear it made me geek out🤓😂
@@TheHonoredMadmanThey even stole his cheekbone, when he does his thumbs up, the squint and right angle of his jaw is so distinct they even slapped that on💀
I have to admit Cooper Howard is the best damn Character Bethesda came up with. Just when you think we’d never actually get to see a bad ass like Randal Clark. And Cooper Howard wasn’t even in the army. He was a damn marine. I love to see lore about the Marines as there isn’t much about them. The Army hogs all the glory in the games lol
Cooper Howard did a movie with Vera Keyes i just noticed it while rewatching, holy shit how did i miss this
Sinclair not only got the vending machines and the cloud from Big MT. But the maintenance suits the ghosts wear, the auto-docs, the holograms and the slave labor from Yangtze.
At the time, Sinclair was Big MT’s largest financial contributor and beneficiary.
It be weird if he didn’t have a good holding of decisions
Didnt they only let him use the tech in exchange for him allowing them to test tge cloud there? I agree that it definitely makes sense for gim to be a shareholder. I gotta replay dead money and old world blues to be sure about his money troubles
I knew about the autodocs, the holograms and the suits, (although all i mentioned was "a bunch of tech) but yea he probably totally was a shareholder, perhaps even the main one of big mt.
I mean they were probably busy sciencing so enlisted him as a go-between
@@TheHonoredMadmanIts explicity stated that Sinclair had no knowledge of the cloud. Nor the extent of the testing that would take place. He thought he was just shelling out cash to have loads of reliable high technology for his plans. What it turned into turned out to be rather different from his plans.
EDIT: He was also the one who saved the hologram program from being shut down, and even funded their weaponization.
Imagine Hank goes to the lucky 38 to seek house knowing house would’ve survived and knowing he didn’t believe in the vaults and enters the lucky 38 activates the terminal only to see Yes Man smiling face on with a shot of house’s cryotube being pierced with a golf club
I would literally get a Bethesda logo tattooed on my forehead.
What you described is everything I could ever want from season 2
"I'm sorry, Mr. House is too dead to talk right now, and The Boss... Well, nobody has seen The Boss in years! But I'm sure he or she, I forget which they were, will be back aaaaany day now! Also, I don't believe youve been cleared for access to the Lucky 38! *sounds of concealed energy weapons around the room charging up*
@@GothGfGGif all this comes true, I will be back to see the forehead tat
@@lucashummel5952 it’s a deal 🤝
Lol so while i was uploading this i saw that todd howard did an interview where he said that shady sands was bombed shortly after the events of new vegas, so id say the video holds up rather nicely. Caesars legion did in fact attack hoover dam a second time in 2281 and shortly after that, hank maclean bombed NCR town. im really curious why hes going to new vegas
New vegas starts on October 19th 2281 so it's more likely that the second battle is Hoover Dam happened sometime in 2282. All of NV and it's DLCs happening in less than 2 months would be pretty crazy.
Great point i totally forgot that new vegas started near the end of the year, but that is an important detail, ill rectify it in future videos
I see two possibilities why Hank heads to NV. One he views house as a possible Ally as he was part of the "elite group", or the opposite, hew views house as competition like they viewed shady sands and wants to destroy it.
Also i was thinking, doesnt it take like a month to get to zion canyon, and also the travel distance in dead money had to be pretty big, considering you get dragged, presumably slowly, by a supermutsnt to arizona(?) And thats not even mentioning the time it takes to get back and also the other two dlcs which im kinda vague with the distance on but big mt seems pretty far, and yeah its basically as you said, its impossible for the events of nv to have ended in 2281, it would have to atleast be mid 2282
@@TheHonoredMadmantechnically Big MT is surrounded by mountains (hence the name) and the only way you can get there in the game is to be teleported, the satellite you interact with sends you there the first time, then you have the gun that teleports you there afterwards. The only things that have gotten in our out by foot are the mutated creatures.
it would be wild if they went with Father Elijah's goal of releasing the Cloud over the Mojave.
New Vegas bathed in The Cloud by Elijah and Courier 6. That would be striking imagery if done right.
So Fallout Dust.
Calling it now the showrunners are only skin deep, our elaborate theories will be letdown hard come season 2. Small bit of fan service here and there but that’s all.
@@garyg8351 Oh I’m totally in agreement on that. I was simply dreaming. As if we’d be lucky enough.
@@WastedPot and just to clarify I don’t dislike east coast lore, I like most started with FO3, but there’s a clear divide between the world building and I knew that there’d be an issue with those two sides of storytelling coming together.
Big Mountain used to be an actual mountain. All the labs and facilities you visit were bunkers that got exposed when the mountain took a direct hit and left a crater. Thats my theory anyway.
Youre right that it didnt use to be a crater, id forgotten that, but i think klein is the reason it got "exposed" i cant remember why tho
@@TheHonoredMadman An experiment blew the top off the mountain, exposing the facilities
Actually they implied the mountain blowing up was a failed experiment not a bomb.
Sinclair is insane enough to catfish and make a very flattering mural of himself.
Which is messed up. In new Vegas Sinclair was one of the very very few good people. Which is why Dean absolutely hated him.
Best theory I have on Hank’s reason for running to New Vegas instead of back to Vault 31 is that he was actually spying on Vault Tech for House. We certainly haven’t seen the end of Hank’s backstory development. This would further cement House as a game theory genius who always hedges his bets.
Thats a great theory, i hadnt even considered such a thing, but i think its definitely a possibility
That's a cool idea but, personally, House is dead. Because the House ending requires the BOS bunker to be destroyed. If the BOS East came to the West, then they would raid New Vegas for all it's tech. They would have the power to do it. But that is an assumption from me.
Of course, season 2 would go into detail on this and must likely shock us. I want to see what happened to the boomers, BIG MT, Joshua and the dead horses, Goodsprings, and finally Courier 6.
Edit: Another who I want to see and HEAR is Ulyssys. What he thinks of the NCR now and he is a great commentary on the evils of nations.
@@si1v3rcoyote84 You forget there was still the weastern bos that survived. The bos in the Mojave can still be destroyed for it to make sense
@@RisingFlag100 That's true, and a likely thing to happen. But if that were the case, wouldn't the securities have been able to hold New Vegas if they got the upgrades from the platinum chip. It seems like the house ending is not likely.
Not only that, but if the NCR were to be the ones to destroy the Bunker it would lead to the two going to war again and the BOS being more isolated.
But then again it could mean the BOS were more prone to accepting people again with dwindling numbers.
Just gotta wait on new info.
@@si1v3rcoyote84 I don't understand what you mean, why wouldn't upgrading the securitrons and raising the securitron army secure New Vegas? Why would the NCR have to destroy the bos bunker? The courier does it himself in the games, and the NCR isn't even blamed. There is nothing there to set up the NCR fighting the bos. It makes perfect sense to me that the Mr. House ending is cannon with the current info, it is, more Mr. House would be a treat, and I am very happy with it
Unless Dean stole Sinclair's tux, I don't think the guy in the Madre mural is Freddy. I mean Dean even has the moustache as a ghoul.
You could be right, It actually looks pretty close to how dean looked when he was human based on his own promotional photos in the base game in vegas
Dean doesn't have a moustache. Also Sinclair is the dude in the mural.
They changed who Sinclair is for the show, he’s the fat guy in the Executive meeting who’s in charge of Big MT.
@@Cloudy_JonesThey also forgot that the sierra madre wasn't even open.
I feel like it’s worth pointing out that the nuke probably didn’t drop 2277 considering there’s an arrow between the “fall” and the nuking
For what it’s worth, Todd Howard recently said that the destruction of Shady Sands has shortly after Fallout: New Vegas.
I wonder what variations of the New Vegas endings they’ll pick as canon. It’ll be wild and absolutely chaotic if they put Courier 6 in the show.
Can’t wait to see Deathclaws and maybe some Tunneler’s.
I actually saw that while this was uploading haha
just means the continuity is nuked afterwards not retroactively
@@nathanlevesque7812 : And yet it is still an issue, retroactively. And I can prove it.
In History classes, when we talk about 'the fall' of someplace like Rome or Constantinople, what does that mean in context of the location? That it was conquered.
Now, apply that same logic to Shady Sands in 2277, the year of the first Battle of Hoover Dam. If that same thing happened, why are there people in New Vegas saying they're sending power from the Dam to Shady Sands? Why didn't Crocker, Oliver, or Kimball say they're going to reclaim Shady Sands soon?
@@Chibi1986the fall of Rome is not really about conquest it ends in that but that’s hardly the only thing of alludes to.
@@nathanlevesque7812how exactly does that work lol. Man ya’ll just wanna be mad.
I wonder if they’ll tie in the divide and make Vault-Tech responsible for sending a nuclear suitcase.
I don't think they ever reveal who hired the courier so they could feasibly do that.
@@renaighIt was the NCR, they're the ones that hired the Courier to deliver the package to the Divide and it was their incompetence that led to it going off.
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If the House ending is canon, maybe since the NCR collapsed in some way and House relied on the NCR to continue his way of life and business, maybe chaos grew along with the tunnelers leaving The Divide and deathclaws shown in the scene attack the strip.
Also, Episode 7's end credits scene show the Griffith Observatory AFTER the battle between Moldaver's NCR and the BOS, which is important as those events haven't occurred yet. Perhaps the same thing is true for New Vegas, the Strip is actually fine, but will later get destroyed. Very good video.
This. In fact I think people are MAJORLY jumping the gun on assuming what the status of New Vegas is before we even actually get to see it up close.
1. Vegas not being lit up (or even it’s lights just not being visible) during the daylight is hardly proof that the city is completely in ruins.
2. The art at the end credits is clearly just concept art, not actual canon. Like we see the brotherhood’s airship completely destroyed in one of the episodes’ end credits for example. We see multiple things destroyed in the end credits of various episodes that never actually get destroyed in the show. Vegas may be no different.
What has me the most curious is which ending they'll go for as the canon ending to New Vegas. I don't think we saw any Legion imagery in the credits so it's unlikely they reached Vegas, so we can rule them out. The other three endings could each be possible, the Independent Vegas ending could explain why it's so destroyed since it would've fallen into total anarchy. I guess we won't know until next season though.
Yes Man bots Ending + NCR + Caesar Legion, over 50 years of getting owned by OP Westcoast Brotherhood of Steel + Midwest BOS + Chicago / EastCoast BOS is where it could've shifted the power balance
Or maybe it's fine and just looks like that from a distance because the world kind of went through a nuclear war, the game makes it shiny so you can see it from a distance, most of what I seen in the show looks more run down more beat up more realistic then in the game tbf
Personally I hope it's House since I think seeing him again would be great but I suspect it will be the Independent ending they will go with.
I heard the theory that they can make it like early TeS game, all endings are canon, even dlc with big mt invading NV, cloud from Sierra Madre, creatures from Lonesome road. If they will do like that they must mention Courier
There is Legion imagery in the series tho, its mixed into BoS, every character from there has a roman name, their flag is red and gold and they are far more ruthless, just like the Legion.
So it could also be that Legion won, absorbed BoS (or the other way around) ravaged the Mojave and the strip, took all of the tech from there and left.
My current theory is that lake mead dried up and force the deathclaws to attack New Vegas
I'm thinking that the show decided to write new vegas as if the courier never existed. He dies in goodsrpings and benny's plan goes wrong somehow. The chip is lost, mr house surivves but with no army and no control. The ncr pull out after shady sands and the battle of hoover dam. Caesar dies of his tumour and the legion under lanius fizzles out and turns back into separate raider groups.
It's the worst ending. Nobody wins which gives the writers a lot of space to fill it with their own ideas, and it's also consistent with all the endings of new vegas. No matter how gokd the ending, it's implied that order never fully returns to new vegas.
I think the house ending is what happened but house was dependent on the NCR’s economy.. which went in the toilet after the second battle of Hoover dam.
That will make a lot of fans angry, its a stupidest thing that will be
@@yeldar178 fans will be angry about a piece of set design in the background.
If creatives wrote to minimize fan backlash it would be the worst garbage possible.
At some point people just need to chill out about their favourite IP. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Simple.
@@MistaZULE "quality and fan enjoyment doesn't matter" is a wild take man
@@xrphoenix7194 fan is a large spectrum. I love Fallout (New Vegas is one of my favourite games all time) and I loved the show.
Seems like a lot of fans were like me and enjoyed it.
The fans that are getting mad over lore issues or imagined "wokeness" need to shower. Nothing else to say about those people,
Didn't Ulysses say the whole mojave will get taken over by the tunnel dwellers?
Tunnelers* yes.
I think the most probable scenario is that NCR tried annexing the strip, maybe they even secceeded, but then came the tunnelers and destroyed remaining NCR forces and ravaged through the rest of Mojave.
@@freeguy3894 thanks acknowledging my theory. I really hope I'm right because that would be such a cool way of story telling. Giving us small hints in the games and then confirming them in the show. Like whether or not the Soviet Union existed in the fallout universe and we've seen a Soviet satellite in the show. Tunnelers in live action would be terrific
@@freeguy3894I believe the only canon ending for the Tunnelers being controlled is if Ulysses is there to keep them in The Divide.
Moldeva invented the cold fusion device and it was bought out by Vault Tec, that's her plotline. It's why it needs a VT password.
Moldaver, in the past as Miss Williams said: she was on the brink of the breakthrough, when her company got bought by Barb's division of Vauit Tec. So, we know breaktrough was achieved, but we don't know who finished the project. 🤷
Which is absurd because the inventor of the GECK was responsible for that.
And make no sense. They already had portable fusion tech pre war.
@@markcarpenter6020 Yes, but they didn't have portable nor any cold fusion (If existed, Vault Tec, or higher ups, kept it for themselves, under limited use). But fusion and cold fusion are both fusion, only difference in case of cold fusion might be needing to invest fewer to create equal (or little bit more). While "infinite energy and power" is not the case, that talk is just "Moldaver crap"
@@elvisibra untill it was retconned by Bethesda for fallout 4, power armor was powered by a micro fusion reactor. Bethesda has serious issues with following established lore. Almost every time they do something they make retcons.
I just imagine Sinclair as a big shareholder for Big MT and the Think Tank aren't exactly the most sociable nor are they businessmen. They're the inventors and probably dont have time or want to attend some board meeting with Vault Tec. So the next best choice is logically Sinclair.
Well this takes places years after the big mt dlc sooooo either new Vegas protag set them straight or ran off to let the jarheads create more abominations
Bit mountain was a government think tank. They didn't have shareholders. They made deals with private industry for extra funding and to acquire test subjects m
The Ghoul has his own Mysterious Stranger theme and it's perfect.
The biggest absurdity is that the courier is stated to have been the steward of the Mojave, and the caretaker of Big MT. They would still be in vegas and the Mojave, and have their own teleporter and absurd tech. The idea that vegas gets "destroyed" after new vegas is stupid.
A lot of this is stupid. Portable fusion existed pre war. Cold fusion was used in the GECK. Sinclair was one of the few good people which is why Dean hated him. Etc etc
Not really. If Ulysses isn't around to keep the tunnelers in check, if Elijah is around to weaponize the The Cloud, if Big MT's experiments escape, or if The Courier was just bad at his job, New Vegas could be in ruins. Neither the NCR nor the Legion have stable leadership that can inspire their people if A) Caesar dies or B) the Brahmin Barons and other oligarchs keep eating the power of the NCR. One of them could win and lose everything. Even House is one computer error from being in a coma without the Platinum Chip
Fallout 4 is getting a dlc called "Echoes of the Past" this week (April 25th).
We might be having some answers, and more questions, on the Enclave (Enclave Remnants) soon.
Good video...brother!
So hey. What happened? O: it's may 15
hows it going?
He could've played Benny...if he hadn't died in a fucking hot tub.
The worlds truly got some cruel irony to it, especially because he was also a huge fan of fallout, he wouldve jumped at the opportunity
@TheHonoredMadman I know. As I was listening and loading a bowl it was a eureka moment for me like......yea, he totally would've done it. Maybe the show would be different too. Maybe that's why Vegas is busted. Benny's dead and its just easier to write that way.
Who
@@Robot_EvaMathew Perry, voice acted for Benny.
Ah shit. Hadn't struck me yet. 😭
The two shadow figures are the owners of new nuka -Cola, a reflection of the Coke brothers
Another thing i learned in a rewatch that i missed, moldaver made the cold fusion but vault tec bought the company because it would end the resource war and vault tec didnt want that so they put it on a shelf and planned to use it after the bombs dropped and when they wanted to "rebuild", society with it, so im guessing wilzig got his hands on because of his position in the enclave, and the enclaves habit of raiding vaults and conducting experiments on the inhabitants
My guess is that the NCR ending of NV is the canonical one, and NV fell into ruin along with the rest of the NCR after Shady Sands was wrecked
In the concluding New Vegas scene there is a sign advertising Tops Casino "cryo suites". That's a bit of a mystery as I don't remember anything like that in the game. Also, the show dates the fall of Shady Sands around a year after the BOS was defeated by the NCR at Helios One. Maybe the BOS were indirectly involved in retaliation for what happened to their Mojave chapter and we do see Maximus being saved by a knight after Shady Sands was wiped out raising questions about them being there at that time.
Some good theories in this video, especially the one about the lead farmer in the Ranger armor. 33:35 I assume you know that robo roomba is actually Bud Askins.
Y'know i watched the series last night after being convinced to by your last video. Really glad i did
One thing that actively weirded me out is that Repconn has its own seat at the table, despite the fact that Mr. house had bought and fully owned Repconn by that point (2075 is when he bought the company) so either this meeting took place before that and I missed it or I am right and it was just an oversight. It seems like alot of fairly important yet 'minor' lore details were actively ignored in the production of this series, IE Sinclair's appearance and him being in charge of Big MT? Sure he definitely recruited them to build the suits, the vending machines and the rust- but it was fairly blatant that the entire thing was essentially just Big MT manipulating him into using his casino as a testing grounds their horrific experiments. One more thing, Big MT only became a crater post war if memory serves because Klein atomized the top of the mountain in a failed experiment.
I think a lot of that hinges on when exactly the meeting takes place, could be a lot of that background stuff hadn't actually happened yet, Cooper doesn't seem to be washed up and doing birthday parties yet when he listens in so it could still be a little while before the bombs dropped, but ultimately yeah the lore is pretty dense so it's probable there's been some oversights or liberties taken
Gonna reply in full later but youre right i missed that, about repconn, which is odd because the show made a point of mentioned how robco owned general atomics, so why not repconn too. It seems like they needed to fill the seats with another corporation that had a name fans would recognize
Fuck i gotta replay, youre right it wasnt always a crater. And i remembered that bit about big mt just taking advantage of sinclairs money troubles and got him to let them test the cloud, i put a little text edit of it but i really meant to go into more detail with that, but im gonna replay new vegas throughout this week for footage so maybe a video will come out of the idea
I love old world blues so much
Also great point, he might not own repconn yet, as it may not be 2077 in the scene since cooper hasn't been blacklisted as a communist yet (which presumably happens for his bit of corporate espionage on his wife). I wonder what year it takes place
It could be that the omertas werent stopped and bombed the strip (maybe fiends also invade mccaran), but house won other than that, with the NCR pulling out of the strip region due to the destruction
Thats true, house really didnt see the omerta betrayal coming either, as far as i remember
Mr. House is by far in my top 3 favorite Fallout characters of all time, So I will be massively crushed if he has been killed off or is going to be killed off in this show. Personally, I feel like while they did get his personality pretty spot on, I feel like they actively dumbed him down as a character throughout it. But, either way- A great video as always madman, Looking forward to the bloodhound knight video and that Aldia video in the future!
I will say at first i didnt know what to think when i saw him, I cant say for sure if theyve dumbed him but maybe its just because hes much younger here than we've ever seen him before, yeah we can learn alot about him from the h&h store logs and from raul who knew him as a celebrity billionaire guy on the tv screens. He's one of my favorites as well, so I really will be pissed if hes dead or if they kill him or even if hes like in league with vault tec remnants because that especially wpuld be out of character for him imo
How did they dumb him down? What exactly did he say or do that's dumb in the one scene he had?
the first time i played NV i sided with house the idea of the lucky 38 being a safe house it just seemed cool and the ending reel you get with siding with house was the tops you dig
if he's dead Post-War we'll probably get a Pre-war subplot about him.
Maybe they will just dragon break it like Daggerfall and ALL the New Vegas endings happened 😅
There’s actually a billboard in the show about a cryo hotel? I don’t remember where it’s at but it adds a whole new layer of intrigue. I wonder if that’s where some of Hank’s old family might be if he had any, because they obviously didn’t let Barb’s daughter in the vault prior to dropping the big one(s).
People are talking about the apparent resilience of ghouls and their 'new' thing where they're 'all going feral' but people aren't realising that this wasteland seems to be by far the most irradiated one we've seen outside the glowing sea or far harbour. The regeneration and decay of higher function is entirely consistent with the claims that the surface is still highly irradiated.
This is however, hinged on the somewhat unclear assumption that radiation over time is in fact still dangerous to ghouls in massive doses, backed by things like the Camp Searchlight attack that turned all but one guy into ferals, and Necropolis research on the process of Ghoulification.
I believe that wasteland doctor gave the fleeing Squire a dose of whatever Hancock, Desmond, Skinny Malone and others used to turn themselves ghoul.
I have the theory that Legion ending with Cesar might be canon, and that New Vegas is destroyed like that because of further attacks of the New California Republic.
37:26 The Shi could be a opposition.
From my viewing of the show, I think the following happened at least in relation to the events of the bombing:
1. Vault-Tec began their conspiracy and began orchestrating things. Each member either joined (Big Mountain via WestTek) or used the organization (such as House).
2. Vault-Tec had been in the middle of laying all the groundwork and got crucial infrastructure prepared due to the planning window.
3. The Enclave (the government insiders who were using the companies) finished their preparation and likely began the war ahead of schedule (this explains multiple Vault-Tec vaults that were never finished not because of planning but because of the abruptness of the war).
4. Ultimately, this is also why House planned independently; he knew this plan was doomed to fail as per the folly of man's own greed and desire to be in charge (Enclave wanted America, Vault-Tec wanted to be a ruling COMPANY, see Bud's wordings in all of this for why this is different ideas)
The most likely ending of Vegas definitely seems to be aligned with House Always Wins or Yes Man so far; this is because we see Securitrons in the street alongside NCR equipment. And no, it's not because they fought, IMO, but that he allied with the NCR.
What do you think happens when the Brotherhood of the East Coast finds out their chapter was wiped out in Vegas and their number-one enemy (the NCR) is now working together with a technological superpower? It's obvious the NCR forces likely fought to protect the Strip alongside the Securitrons and were beaten or driven into a bad state by the Brotherhood or something along these lines. The Brotherhood clearly are the ruling super power of this era of Fallout with not only the ability to send someone across America but the ability to send large amounts of forces alongside the Prydwyn.
Ultimately, it's likely House survived in some way but will be a shadow of his potential power because Vegas at minimum was sacked/attacked. If they kill him off, though, it'll likely turn into Hank finding the tools to reboot the Securitrons as an army for Vault-Tec, as a final insurance policy left by House so his efforts aren't totally in vain (such as the creation of Yes Man).
My theory is mr house ending is Canon, the legion is gone and shady sands was nuked as a warning to the ncr from mr house
Kind of like a "Dont screw with me again or else" warning
I *could* get behind that, except for when the reveal was happening in episode 8, Hank was pretty much owning the nuke by the end.
Except when the brother asks where his moms pipboy is and the overseer says it was buried with her and he asks why and she says because I buried her. Which can be implied as I'm the one that killed/nuked shady sands.
Mr. House's entire plan rides on using the NCR's economy to fuel Vegas, this would be the worst possible thing for him to do.
I think the reason Sinclair looks different in the games and TV show makes sense. If you think about it he probably had insecurities being a bigger guy and with as much power he had he was probably a busy man as well that no one really saw so he had any depictions of him look like a suave businessman, like house, instead of what he really looked like
Mr. House: “Over 200 years of planning!”
The Courier: “lol beef jerky”
Great commentary Madman, the Man with the killer bong floating in the sky 😎
My first thought with Hank going to see house was he was going to tell him about the cold fusion and try to use that information to get help from house to get what he wants and stop the ghoul.
Or he at least knew with the power restored house would be waking up. Maybe he was in suspended animation or something waiting.
There are so many open levels to this
I think the only way the games make sense in the context of the show is if the player character died instantly after the player gained control in each of them. This would preclude and decanonize Fallout 2 entirely though, because it required that the Vault Dweller survived the events and was exiled (which makes sense given the presence of the Enclave).
Benny stole the chip and murdered the Courier instead of wounding them, but what was Benny's plan after that?
We know that the NCR had ground troops in New Vegas. We know the walls were breached. We know that the securitrons took casualties.
We do not know the state of the NCR or the disposition of Caesar's Legion. We know Lucky 38 appears intact so because the Courier never breached it (assuming they were murdered in Goodsprings), its defenses are probably still functional. The Super Mutants with the help of the Master may have rolled through and destroyed the Hub, and then died out due to sterility, so the NCR may not even exist anymore.
Season 2 is not even written yet, so the end scenes won't help and may even be altered after there's a script, but I'd say it's most likely that as far as the West Coast is concerned, the Courier didn't succeed (thus preserving the player's agency in NV), and the chip remained in Benny's control.
I am confident in saying that what we'll see in S2 is the story that followed Benny's (at least temporary) success. Maybe he was exploded by the Boomers when trying to make contact, and the chip with him. It was the encounter with the not-dead Courier that prompted Benny to seek to infiltrate the Legion camp. I think we can safely assume the chip is destroyed, since Caesar's Legion hasn't made its way to the coast.
I think if Sinclair looked like the guy in the show, of course he'd have a stained glass representation of himself look younger and more attractive. That could've easily been based on himself 20 or so years prior to the meeting.
The problem is new Vegas made it very clear that Sinclair was one of the few good guys. That is why Dean hated him so much. Also he didn't own shares in big MT. Big MT was a government think tank. They didn't have shareholders. They were using Sinclair because he Sierra Madre was a test City for their tech.
Us annoying New Vegas fans might go from being annoying about any other Fallout being better than NV to fighting amongst ourselves because the writers chose to canonize an ending we didn’t like. Unless they make a new ending not in the game….if that happens I’m not sure how I’d feel about that.
Maybe they just wont Show wich ending is canon? Perhaps all endigs lead to the same outcome further down the line and New vegas is abondend by any faction.
@@xeibei4804 that’s a great point. The producers might do that so they don’t have to worry too much about continuity
The way I’m seeing it is that NV won’t play as big of a role as we think it will. I’m sure they know that they really can’t mess with the canon of NV, so I think we’ll get to SEE New Vegas, but they will be very careful on how it’s shown as to stay canon-neutral.
@@thebigslimeliveI'm getting that feeling too. New Vegas very well could end up just being a location with a few characters years after the game took place. How often do we really talk about Iraq and Afghanistan? Wars happened but everyone moved on and live in the now. I'm sure there will be some references from the events of the game but I highly doubt the game is going to have a big influence on the series. This is a completely new story, they're going to focus on it.
It's like they looked at the list of possible storylines to continue and decided to just kill anything that would require thought on their part.
Well i mean its not like hank had a nuke in his back pocket, he had to get it from somewhere, so it probably came from house
I really hope that Follows-Chalk is in season 2
The dead horses were cool, there was one named Two Bears High Fiving
@@TheHonoredMadman I know, I use wild wasteland on most playthroughs and honest hearts is the only dlc i do if I'm not doing all 4
YES PLEASE, joshua too at least mentioned him
This entire finale got my lore gears turning so fast, it's great.
NCR being out of the region (As can be surmised by the crashed NCR vertibird) makes sense, since even if they won the second battle of Hoover Dam, they massively lack in manpower due to the Shady Sands one of their biggest population centers being nuked. If the Legion won they would have probably upkept the Vegas area at least somewhat, and we don't see their usual trappings there. But the Yes Man and House endings probably also didn't happen, since if either one of them got control over the Mojave area, the Strip wouldn't be in such a sorry state.
So my current theory is that while NCR won the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, they were already stretched thin in the game, and with Shady Sands nuked it just wasn't worth it to keep the area beyond the dam. They probably retreated up north (Or to Vault City/The Hub) to regroup, leaving the Mojave to fend for itself. Courier didn't kill House, but did disable his access to the Lucky 38 systems, which explains how Hank would still be able to meet him, and why the Strip itself is in such a sorry state. Courier is (and probably will be) holed up in Big MT, cause while they have access to miracle technologies, they're just a single person, and without the backing of a major faction they can't save the entire Mojave by themselves.
I'm not sure the distant shot of New Vegas with Hank at the end is how it will end up looking in the show. For the most part it was just to show us wear the series is headed. I bet there will be a ton of set locations considered part of New Vegas in season 2. It will pretty much just be waved away as "We just couldn't see everything."
Well, according to the lore of the game universe, the Enclave was always in charge of Vault-Tec from the beginning. In fact, it was members of the Enclave who came up with Project Safehouse, the very governmental program that gave birth to the Vault-Tec Corporation. Barb even says that she made arrangements for them to be placed in a vault that monitors all the other vaults. This actually exists in the lore of the game's universe, too. Because, according to the lore, the Vault that monitored all the other vaults was Vault 0, which was the Enclave Vault.
the whole Vault-tec meeting scene was pretty cool.
but i was immediately confused why Repconn was in attendance, its mentioned they are supposed to be a subsidiary of Rob Co. AKA Mr House. who is also at the meeting.
Old World Blues and Dead Money tied as your favourite? A fellow man of culture. Seeing Sinclair in the show was a pleasant shock. I totally installed Tale of Two Wastelands after watching the show. I had to buy Fallout 3 and NV on steam to do it too. I played on Xbox previously, but I recovered from that ailment recently.
I’m really glad there are still creators in the community who haven’t turned totally cynical about the franchise!
Mr. House specifically says that he doesn’t want a hair on Caesar’s head harmed, assuming he has any hair. House still needed the Legion alive as deterrence. Keep in mind that House wouldn’t be able to run and maintain Hoover dam and any power plants in the Mojave and I bet upgraded Securitrons would eat a lot of power
Would it be considered a speed run if I use the bar,instead of watching it on Amazon
I have to say the thing I really hope we get to see in session 2 is Cooper finding his family. I have no idea how they might have made it, but I want to see that bomb go off. What will his daughter feel when she sees him? Not just that he is a ghoul, but the person he has become to survive 200 years in the wasteland. And how will his wife react knowing she is kinda responsible for it? I just keep thinking about how, in the first episode, he is at the birthday party and sees the bomb go off after he listened in on a meeting where his wife is laying out a plan to cause the apocalypse. So it's not just the horror of nuclear Armageddon, but also knowing why and who is responsible. The whole thing throws a stick of dynamite into the lore like Easy Pete for sure, but as a character moment, I find it very compelling.
I agree with you. Sinclair (and iron man power armor) was one of my only real problems with the show.
I wish they wouldve had the brotherhood wearing t-51bs
@@TheHonoredMadman Dang, that too! Hope it shows up some how in S2.
Is pretty weird, come to think of it, that the western brotherhood wasn't wearning any at all.
I'm 50/ 50 on wether house or yes-man ending will be considered canon.
All depends on wether we see house or not.
Imagine if they make it canon on season 2 that Dr. Zimmer made his way all the way to new vegas, and gave House a new body using a synth, and now House is now able to walk around truly immortal, and that is why Zimmer didn’t return, because knowing House, as a thank you, your dead doctor
I love the Fallout franchise. It's fun. I wouldn't want to live in it, but it's fun to play. One of the things that make Fallout so special to me is the lore and how protective fans are regarding it. It's why this video and so may others are popular. The lore continuity is one of the things that that holds Fallout together, which is why it's so important. But the thing about game lore is that it's only limited by your imagination. I'm not saying that's good or bad, I'm just pointing it out so we can all get this one thing; When you are collectively making up a story everybody has to agree on the rules, but fiction is fiction. It's all made up, and that's why we have retcons. Ret-Con is short for retro continuity. I predict lots of it now that the Amazon Prime show is out. It will be interesting to listen to the rationalizations people will argue work.
Do I have a wish list for Season 2 of Fallout? Yup. I'd love to see a shootout between The Ghoul and Raul Tejada. I bet Danny Trejo would be up for it. Also I'd like to see what happened to the Yas Man Securitron. Is he running New Vegas or what? And While Mr. House may be dead or not, he my yet survive in A.I. form. Sadly René Auberjonois is no longer with us, but there are plenty of voice samples to synthesize his voice.
This was a great analysis you earned a sub!
Maybe, House managed to win with the couriers help in Fallout New Vegas. After General Lee Oliver fled back to Shady Sands, he mentioned he'd be back in force and said "Don't be treading on the bear." Aka: I'm very angry and will be back soon, The NCR did dump a lot of economic power into the hover Dam at this point. Kimball/General Lee Oliver then roused a large strike force of the NCR to hit the New Vegas area, among other areas of the Mojave. This would be a final ditch effort to save face and his presidency for Kimball/Oliver
With Mr. House battling the NCR. Mr. House would then weigh his options and finally decide to play another ace in the hole. He had the courier on his side if we assume Mr. House ending, and also possible orders by Hank/Vault Tech at this time. With the goal to flatten the NCR. NCR at this point was fully committing to attack New Vegas. This would be a good time to strike with their moral extremely low and forces busy with house, famine on the way, and them being over stretched territory wise.
This would then allow the courier to slip into the divide and launched a nuke on Shady Sands around the year 2281-2282. I wouldn't be surprised if more nukes were lobbed at all major NCR manufacturing and or population centers based in California. This may retcon a bit of the Lonesome Road DLC. But so be it. Due to the insane battle/result. The NCR would nearly be wiped out on all fronts due to several nukes on all their major settlements. Thus killing most of their government. New Vegas would be torn apart during the battle, Mr. House would need to repair the Hover Dam most likely. You can't forget an aggressive Caesars Legion still operating in the area. We also have Tunnelers and Death Claws who may have been roused by all the fighting as well. Who says the Death Claws don't stomp into a unguarded New Vegas. Mr. House at this point, overestimated his capabilities and has to hide in the Lucky 38 as New Vegas crumbled. The NCR is battered to a point of no return and just dissolved in the years to follow. The Brotherhood of Steel would be cheering in their bunkers and then leave and contact the East Coast Chapter telling them all that happened. And you can almost come to the current scenario that we see in the Show. With a few others touch ups being needed.
2277 was the year the NCR started to tunnel vision into the Mojave, losing focus of what they were. Aka starting their decline.
But who really knows. Just something I came up with on the spot.
Potential plot hole correct me if I'm missing something. If the vault tec execs had had technology to cryo themselves perfectly and return to life whenever they like, why didn't Mr House just do that as well? Seems better than being stuck in a tube and only talking through a screen.
Or he sought his own methods of survival after having a falling out with vault tec and/or not trusting cryo technology science
it seems more in character for House to be constantly connected to is network and to life support. being frozen preserves you until your set to wake up, but in the meanwhile you aren't able to make any decisions. and the man is a control freak. besides, after you're unfrozen you still have a normal human lifespan; and House's machinations needed centuries to come to fruition.
@@bernardofabricaVery true. The longer you're awake, the longer you are in control & make decisions
A cross between the regular cryo pads and bradburtons would probably be what House would've wanted.
Seeing as our only image Sinclair has is that painting. I have to imagine he asked the artist to paint him at his prime or youth so he could look good for their couples painting. Could explain why the pairing was always seen as a bit of a joke. And why it’s a painting not a photo
I'm pretty sure House said that his securitrons wouldn't be enough to take the full brunt of an NCR invasion, even upgraded. For the small contingent that was in the Mojave circa 2281, yes, but not if the entire NCR military was targetting him and Vegas. He didn't need them to, because he didn't wish to go to war with the NCR as it would damage his property and profits.
It's entirely possible, likely even, that a few years following House forcing the NCR out of the Mojave, the NCR launches a full invasion of Vegas in an attempt to claim it by force from House. With the full force of the NCR, including whatever Armored Vehicles and Air Force they had at the time, I doubt House's securitrons, upgraded or not, would be able to hold back the tide for long.
People forget that the brotherhood would see Mr House as a top priority to knock down and would easily base themselves at Nellis AFB (also taking the heavy weapons from the boomers.)
Its possible the shows Frederick Sinclair is 'Sinclair Senior' and the one in Dead Money could be 'Sinclair Jr' made just Sinclair, when S. Senior dies
I’m extremely curious about what the Enclave are up to and have a strong theory as to what they’ll cook up.
After looking at the super mutant corpse, the fact doc escaped the enclave facility on foot and that there are MANY dogs being bred, I’m beginning to think that the Enclave might be creating mutant hounds using the master’s method of mutating pure DNA rather than irradiated dna. When they create these mutant hounds, they find out the pure dogs mutate into more intelligent beasts than the east coast mutant hounds. Since there’s nightkin in this region, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were nightkin hounds created from this project, perhaps even cyber mutant hounds since the enclave have research on cyber dogs and Frank Horrigan.
I definitely think theyre making cyberdogs 100% but other than that i so far cant tell what their current game is, but i wanna make a speculation video on it. I wanna know why it was such a big deal that wilzig was working on cold fusion in secret, maybe because the implication was that he was compromised but still i cant tell for sure
The super mutant test experiment also reminded me of horrigan, power armored super mutants would definitely be a helluva way to introduce them
Hadnt considersed the mutant hound angle tho, i still hope its cyberdogs
@@TheHonoredMadman strong guess he cracked the code on how to work it best and kept it as a secret from his colleagues, like the dog.
@@TheHonoredMadman I can definitely see cyberdogs for sure. As for mutant hounds, I still lean hard on that considering Enclave had devices that made Deathclaws obey orders, which I strongly believe would go more smoothly with mutant hounds. I still see cyber mutant hounds being part of the project still for some hounds that didn’t mutate the best completely or injured, requiring cybernetics installed, which I’m sure is much easier a case to deal with than Frank Horrigan.
With the surrounding area in New Vegas it's possible they're doing a real life map. So the region is probably accurately portrayed.
Its still insane to me we got such a good show and that even new vegas is it in and will be featured in the second season a lot.
I realllyyyy hope the legion will be in it.
What if the House DIDN'T Win though, what if we're seeing what happens when someone plays a Wildcard...
I think what might happen is the NCR invades New Vegas and damages Mr.House's systems enough to put him back in stacis or at least just enough that he is stuck in the lucky 38. Once Hank makes it to the strip he'll probably make a deal with House to help regain power in exchange for his help.
I WONDER IF HOUSE KNEW ABOUT THE SYNTHS.... AND EXPLORED THE Idea of a New body ?😊
Its crazy to think that even know vault tec had told all the owners about them wanting to drop the bombs, but wouldnt say when.
Maybe considering that others would try get a jump on them when the bombs actually went off...
Crazy to think about
Pretty sure New Vegas predicament likely got to do with Ulysses and lonesome road given the amount of nukes pop up this late.
It could be Hank somehow managed to deal with Ulysses or the courier, with the latter likely more possible or swayable given it's the player character would have a lot more room to go wildcard creative.
OMG, i totally thought the same thing that the "future Enclave" was in that room. SEASON 2 is going to be a Mr House, BoS, and Enclave showdown!
If the theory of Vault-Tec dropping nukes on all of their competition is true, it would also explain the West-Tec facility being directly hit, creating The Glow in Fallout 1
the ncr always needed a kick up the ass to get them to do anything, maybe shady sands was a kick up the ass. There can still be a few twists in the plot of the tv series.
Most likely they'll try to be as vague as possible about canonizing anything, but if they do, I'd imagine they pick independent vegas, and House is dead; Yes-Man ending. And the Courier left mysteriously and things declined afterwards, without a leader.
I think one of the Shadowy people was Stanislas Braun 🤔 Also Mr House filled in Vault 21 and only left a little of it for the hotel that the chick now runs (in the game) Show wise I’m guessing Cooper and Barb got Divorced cus when Coop is doing the kids party, a guy says to the kids dad “How did you get Cooper Howard here” and he replies “Alimony” so I’m guessing after he heard he say they were gonna drop the bombs, that he divorced her, be interesting to see how it plays out with Cooper and his family. Cracking video loved this.
IIRC Big MT appointed sinclair as essentially a face to big MTs name, as part of their arrangement as the think tank themselves had no interest in attending business meetings
I think that Season 2 will redirect the crew of Lucy, Howard, and Dogmeat (Max as well) to New Vegas, however the following seasons are gonna be Enclave related. Seeing that Super Mutant hand in the beginning of EP.2 has gotten me stirred for the last week. I wonder if The Enclave will weaponize the FEV and disperse it into the atmosphere like they previously attempted.
On another note, I believe Vault-Tec did a limited Nuclear strike on both China and the US to force their hands and engage in armageddon.
Also, I think a shitload of people are about to have their headcanon ruined when we find out what happened to Vegas
The water chip breaking! was so excited when that was brought up, but they totally abandoned the plot line as it seems, what a shame
Maybe the Yes Man ending is cannon, and the NCR launched a counter offensive before ultimately crumbling after being nuked, leaving Vegas in ruins with no real winner.
Honestly I think that the reason why Vega s maybe was struck by nukes is that maybe once Vault Tec launched the nukes, everything spiraled a lot faster than they anticipated. Couple that with the USA & China immediate retaliation and maybe the pre-world Enclave pulling a few strings, could’ve lead to everyone including house to be caught a little off guard
Ever since I heard they were doing a Fallout TV show I was hoping player's of the great game like Desmond Lockheart would appear and wreak Havoc on everybody's plans😎
I don't understand this whole "if the platinum chip arrived 1 day earlier, House could have destroyed all the warheads".
So he had to hire people to deliver it to him twice? The Courrier didn't get left in a grave for 200 years before being dug up by Victor.
You actually kept me interested. You get a Sub bro!
I never considered that theroy, vaultec/ hank after destroying shady sands, framed house.......especially if he did decide not to invest in vaulttec's plans.... as he seemed to in the show, and clearly done his own preperation in the game series ...and as a fan of the franchise since F1... would put to rest some of what i consider plotholes...... awsome video .... clearly you know your stuff 👍👍👍
The chicken fucxer reminded me of the poultrymancer from Skyrim lol
Well my theory is that perhaps courier sided with NCR but did not kill Mr. House, but with nuking of Shady Sands, NCR had to pull out of Mojave so New Vegas just fell into anarchy in last 15 years (if I remember right) without any centralised supervision, so maybe we will see Mr. House being reconnected to his system and trying to rebuild Vegas.
My feeling is Vault-Tec blames Shady Sands on Mr. House. House then has to defend himself from the might of the NCR before the NCR discovers the truth
No one mentioning how in new vagas the enclave was basically a group of old people scattered across the wasteland with no true plan to reunite. 15 or so years later in the tv show they now have an entire compound, training and breeding hundreds of dogs, doing tests on super mutants and so on. We just gonna act like the courier didnt bring them together again? Possibly starting up the beginnings of what we see in the show?
I always thought of it as being a different group of enclave members. I mean ede was connected to the enclave, so I felt like they were still active. Just in isolation.
19:45 Didn't even think about this!
And even Bud said something like "this is how we win the game of capitalism, by outliving the competition"
So. Even after the apocalypse, stupid rich assholes from before the war feel it is necessary to play their dumb games
Some of them like desmond lockheart turned himself into a ghoul preemptively before the war even happened so he could survive (if im remembering correctly)