Alternatives to Rosetta Stone Japanese
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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I get so many e-mails asking if one should buy Rosetta Stone Japanese. Is it good? blah blah blah? Here's my one-size-fits-all answer to that question. Find out if Rosetta Stone Japanese is right for you, and then learn about the alternatives that are available to you!
That slick Japanese shopping site:
flutterscape.com
I've actually got Rosetta stone... It was a gift from my parents, and I got it at a discount. I also studied Japanese in a part time course, and I'd say that Rosetta Stone is only useful beyond a point if you're studying alongside it, otherwise I've no idea how I'd remember the vocab or learn the grammar properly... It is good for one contiguous learning curve though.
Wow, surprised how many people seems to feel like Rosetta Stone is good. I tried it too, but I didn’t feel like really learning. I think some nice textbooks are better to learn for.
But maybe some people, who worked through the whole thing, can tell more about it. (Like which level could you pass on JLPT with the knowledge you gained in Rosetta Stone. Can you read Kanji text afterwards? And so on)
@JordyBT This is exactly the experience I am getting from using Rosetta Stone. I've never seen a program so well designed for learning another language. It just feels very intuitive.
Thanks for the suggestion.
I got the full collection of Pimsleur and ROsetta -Japanese from FastnFree
and both works like a charm...finally something good!
99% of youtube videos and comments are fake/spam/scam.
Thanks a lot for the suggestion!U guys are simply awesome
I'm going to uni to study Japanese next year. I don't care about spending so much money, I want to be able to go to a classroom with other students that I can spend time with, and start a study group with. 3rd year will be 2 semesters at uni in Japan so I'm really excited!
It's a good start, but I wouldn't have paid for it. Good thing this is the Internet and everything's free.
Chris Labby Torrents for the win.
Chris Labby done the same great program
+Chris Labby The language is very hard but if u want to learn to speak learning japanese rosetta stone google it for Grathaw Japanese Expert
The way I became fluent in French is by listening to French music, watching French films, and reading French books. I became friends with French people and my bosses at work are French. I speak French all of the time. I also do creative writing in French. All of these things together really helped me learn the language. The truth is that you have to be very active in trying to learn a language; there is not just one simple solution. If you want to learn a language, you will. If not, buy Rosetta.
@rainbowrants If you're Rosetta Stone has errors, it's either because you downloaded an illegal (non-updated) version, or for some reason you have refused to click "download updates" which fixes all the typos and such. Rosetta Stone is by far the best software I have ever seen for learning another language and I'd highly recommend it to anyone serious about learning.
So true. But at least majoring gives you something no program can give you: connections! Through learning Japanese at my college I was able to meet Japanese exchange students, learn about stores in my area that sell learning software and just hang out and have a good time with friends I've made while practicing the language. I even now know a few friends in Japan now where I could crash if I ever wanted to go there. So yeah, it's worth it in the long run lol
My 10 year old daughter wants to learn Japanese. I’ve been back and forth between Pimsleur and Rosetta Stone.
Excatly. I tried the Spanish one a long time ago. I learned like 5 words within the first 10 minutes. And I got some of the grammar. And that was the first few lessons (I didn't get to do more, a friend was loaning it to me). Japanese. I torrented it. I did! I'll admit it! But I couldn't even get an ounce of help from it. But luckily, I had already had some Japanese in me. So I understood a couple words. Their verb forms, or whatever it was, were crazy!
my school in Canada allows you to use the full Rosetta stone Japanese course for free, and i don't know what you are talking about it being not the best one, i have learned so much, and i can speak to our Japanese students. Also it costs $279 right now
Did you complete it? I'm on level one and don't know how fluent I'll be please answer
+Green Trent i finished level one but unfortunetly my comuter is broken, it is a very good program. other than that i have used apps like j.a sensei and japanese fun easy learn.
Definitely true about the adverting of Rosetta Stone.
Immersion of any kind is helpful. Even a Japanese movie you can buy or rent with English sub-titles. Learn a few basic phrases, watch a few movies with and then without the subtitles.
Yeah, I use a pirated Rosetta Stone and it IS is a really nice supplement, but like you said, nothing more than that. It doesn't even translate to you what you are learning, it simply gives you (sometimes confusing) pictures to look at and say words to try to associate them with.
So, please listen to this fine chap and use free resources, everyone! : )
Koichisan, thank you thank you! your videos are really helping me a lot. Finally, i have a resource to learning japanese that won't make me sound like a robot and you're teaching me to make good decisions on what to buy/ not buy. And you can sound like a really sick cat when you want to. It's win/win in my book!!
I bought their online pack special they had going a few years ago. Some of the features I do like about rosetta stone is the flashcards and a decent vocabulary spread. However, I did have some issues with it since there was little to no explanation of grammatical points (like ha, o, to, ni, ect.) and just threw you in there. This made it insanely difficult for me on the speaking with native speakers portion adding on top my anxiety of talking to new people.
Long story short, it does have some useful points, but I wouldn't solely rely on rosetta to learn a language thoroughly.
As far as I'm concerned, Rosetta Stone is simply the best way to learn Japanese....ever. I have been using it and am learning huge amounts of the language extremely fast. I recommend anyone use the software, especially now that it's been re-released with version 4, which offers live coaches and online communities. Also, Koichi, it's not $1000. It's around $500 for all 3 levels of Japanese. Sometimes less at Barnes and Noble. And yes Koichi, it's VERY immersive. Anyway, my grade for Roseta: A+
I get Rosetta stone free in any language luckily because of my dad's job, but I supplement it with a lot of other things and this summer I plan on having lessons with a nearby tutor so I can practice conversation better.
Thanks man you helped. I have studied Japanese in high school for 2 years in Hawaii and it was 4 years ago but want to go back to do it.
Spent $200 10 years ago on the full 1-5 levels Rosetta Stone spanish. Did for 6 months = crap.
Went 6 days in a kitchen with hispanic crew, learned way more.
I get Rosetta Stone for free because of my dad's job, so it's not a problem for me, although I am using other things to supplement my learning, like Anki, My Japanese Coach, another Japanese software I have, etc..
At a local store near me it costs a $1000 EACH for the Japanese Russian and Spanish ones. (yes Im in US) Yes of-course the website is cheaper, because its not localized, but alot of people here do not have access to the Internet easily.
On another important note, this video was posted 2009.
I wasn't deliberating getting Rosetta Stone... I was just happy to see another Tofugu bideo ^^
I tried Rosetta stone, but honestly, didn't work for me >.<
Anyways I had a question for you. Specifically, what Order should I go about trying to do this? I Love watching various anime (and games) With Japanese dub, and english subtitles, because I can pick out words here and there that overall, I think add more to the "story". But I'd like to be fluent, First speaking, then reading.
School lets me use it for free. Would only recommend if you don't have to pay and only to practice/begin learning. Only finished level 1 so far- thinking about taking classes and, hey! It was free. So I'm gaining a bit of knowledge before language classes. It's especially nice if you don't use/rely on romanji. Learned quite a bit of hiragana and a bit of kanji and katakana. Pronunciation's always been easy for me, my native language is Spanish.
Rosetta Stone became a little more affordable since this video came out. They offer memberships. A say, two month membership for a little over a hundred could get me prepared for my winter semester of Japanese class?
I agree with koichi. I have rosetta stone for japanese 1, 2. Got it for free from a friend and its not all that. Definitely not worth the high cost for him. Your better off with something else. I used Pimleur japanese level 1-3. I'm almost done with level 2 and going to three. Pimsleur is effective but it requires practice and lots of patience because it does get boring sometimes. In addition, theres lots of other ways to learn Japanese for free online but just get a Japanese friend if you can.
Considering the price you'd have to pay to study at a language school (with all its pros and cons) Rosetta Stone isn't that expensive. However, as it has been noted, there are tons of free materials out there. Anyway, I love Rosetta Stone and would recommend it with all its flaws and strengths.
The cost isn't as much as you make it out to be. It's around half of what you said for all versions including Totale. I've actually bought the software, and it isn't all that bad. Aside from flaws such as misleading pictures ever now and then, the software is quite solid. Add Textfugu along with other textbooks + Japanese TV, and there you have a very nice solid Japanese learning environment. If you want a overview of what Rosetta Stone actually does just head over to me and I'll show you :)
So I randomly read a comment as I was scrolling down the page asking why you cut your hair, and for the record, I think it looks very nice. :)
Thank you so much! Im a high school student and my friends and I are going to take a college class that teaches Japanese('cause we need to take a 2nd language for 2 years in order to graduate, and lucky for us, we can take one semester in college and it counts as 2 years!) And I want to get ahead of the game and learn some japanese before I take the classes.
Awesome, I was thinking about rosetta stone because I don't know a lick of Japanese and this really was the deal breaker, and I can't afford 12 hundred for a program. Good stuff
so glad i decided to look it up instead of straight out buying it! i was sooo not looking forward to handin over 500 bucks...thanks bro!
you can try a sample lesson of Rosetta stone at their website. I think it works pretty well. One of the best programs for me personally, however it is also one of the most expensive language learning programs out there. Ranging in the Hundreds of dollars.
Idk, I've been very satisfied with rosetta stone. I was having conversations with Japanese after a couple of months using it. The reason it's so expensive is because it's usually meant for companies and schools where one copy could be used by a large amount of people. So if you are getting it for yourself, you are paying for tons of other people too.
sadly this video was made in 2009 and flutterscape isnt running anymore I don't believe *weeps*
It's been 4 years since your comment and it is now a gambling site.
ITS ABSOLUTELY 120% WORTH EVERY PENNY U SPENT ON ROSETTA STONE... I LOVE IT!!! IT'S EASIEST LANGUAGE LEARNING ON MARKET TODAY...
sometimes there's just no way to understand something, so you have to write it down, put it on the side and come back to it a couple of weeks later and hope you learned something :)
Or get on Lang-8 and ask someone for a translation, that usually works pretty well too!
I find that people who actually speak a language that Rosetta Stone tries to teach HATE the system. Is it because it works and they hate to admit it? I learned French and Arabic with Rosetta Stone and it was great. I know enough to get around with less than a year on each language which is AWESOME when you're talking about a friggin LANGUAGE!
@MattEureka yes I have a while ago and I'm not saying that it's not good but I feel like it could go a lot deeper than it does. I just wouldn't use Rosetta Stone as my main source for learning Japanese. I would still use it, just with other alternatives. it makes the process quicker and a little easier.
You can probably can find it on the enjoi website
aw, he's a cool frood, thanks for letting me know!
thank you!
your video helped me find a much cheaper alternative to learning japanese!
I am going to manga university for a multi-layer japanese learning experience! (kanji, hiragana, and the spoken language and some other stuff only for a grand total: HUNDRED TWENTY NINE DOLLARS?!)
thank you crunchyroll!
Considering I've recently subscribed to Total E, I'd love to say you're completely wrong, just so I can feel better about spending the money when there are free alternatives...
Sadly, you're probably right. on the other hand, R.S. is currently offering a 36 month subscription for $229, so I don't feel too bad. Also, where were you a month ago when I first signed up!?
Thanks for the comment. Summed it up.
You mentioned Rikaichan! :) I push it on all of the students I tutor in Japanese.
I like how while i am listening to this video youtube puts a rosetta stone advertisement to the right of this video
I'm doing Rosetta Stone Japanese, and I think that it's the best way to START learning the language. Don't think that you're just going to learn it from RS. But I do hate how they have the pics, and have what they're doing worded in Japanese, but not English. So you gotta utilize some sense, or you can get confused, thinking that when you say "Kanojo wa, Shinbun o yonde imasu" you thought it's a group of dudes eating an Apple. So always seek physical help as well.
And I got this for FREE.
I just wanted to let you know guys that the site in the top comments works like a charm.
Both softwares:Rosetta stone and Pimsleur works like a charm
Iam impressed...
ps: it was free to download...no surveys any other bs
@wartarot Well, it's not possible to learn Japanese at a conversational level without actually having a conversation, no. WIthout having someone to talk to, what you learn won't magically let you speak conversationally.
However, it's more than possible to study at home with books, videos, and CDs, and then just TALK to people in Japanese without needing a teacher or class. I and several others have done it. I even tutored Japanese at my college without having taken classes.
they are in sky mall, I saw it in the magazine on my flight back home to FLA last winter :O
i saw that shirt on display at a mall by my house a few days ago! i instantly thought "tofugu!"
Haha I love the irony that your homepage has an ad for Rosetta Stone on it ^^
Awesome video as always!
I actually like rosetta stone a little. It helps with the basics Hiragana Katakana ect.
Im still on unit 1 and I can read Hiragana KAtakana decently. Although I don't think it will be of any use further down, I feel its recommended. Torrents people ;)
Thank you so much, I've never been helped out by a video this much
Look at TotalE, it's on sale for $1000, normally $1200!
ok rosetta stone is a great program. you cant really bash the program if you already know japanese. of course it wont be good then, but if you are new or whatever its awesome. People try to think they need to learn how to speak, read, and write all at the same time. screw that. just learn how to speak it. if your a master at speaking it you can learn the read and write later, and it makes it way easier to learn.
Sadly, this video came too late for me as I already own a copy of Rosettastone... and although I liked it at first -yes, I did believe the hype- I'm now very unhappy with my purchase. Rosettastone only created an illusion that it was helping me learn Japanese when actually it most likely wasn't. However it does have a very nice interface and no spelling errors (as far as I had used it to...)
taught me why I had to use particle in sentence: like de or something like imasuka. I really wanted clarification or these things and Rosetta Stone didn't offer it. But I did learn SOME useful things (how to introduce myself and other people + colors, animals, basic etc stuff), but I would have loved to learn more...
I use yesjapan. It's pretty good. It has a pretty good course layout. But the magic is in the wealth of tv shows.
I'm just not a fan of it's pricing. The MMO sized monthly fee isn't all that bad. But having a limited amount of video tokens per month is.
@Rosey005 Have you actually used Rosetta Stone? I don't just mean the first lesson, I mean at least a whole unit (4 lessons in a row)? Rosetta Stone teaches you to understand the grammar. You don't memorize phrases, you actually learn how to put together sentences on your own.
goodness all you are doing is making a review but I'm still one hundred percent entertained! XD lol good job
Break it down like this most classes at public universities go for hundreds of dollars. Plus books is another hundred. Thats for a few hours of class time a week. Rossetta gives you more hours of various activities, so really you are getting you moneys worth. I pay $30 a lesson for my tutor online.
Rosetta Stone the best but you need a translater for the full sentences,I'm on level 3 now nearly half way done, i always watch french movie and tv no subs helps loads.learned loads.
That podcast idea sounds great. I'm so doing that. I know some Japanese, but my speech and listening abilities need some help.
omg!!! your back!!!!!!!!! so happy!!!!!!!
:)
Alright, so I have been trying to learn Japanese just because watching subtitles in anime really takes away from the experience for me. I am reading the article he put out. Anyone else have any good advice to give on this subject?
Dude, you totally made my baby laugh his ass off with the ending clip.
So first off, you saved me a lot of money. Secondly, thank you for putting all the work in to make the resources. Thirdly, is there a way we can contact you or find someone to contact with questions about learning Japanese? Maybe a place were we can go to talk to people from Japan to correct us? I'd be a hobo in Japan, but I'm a small blond girl and would fear for my life....I also have a boyfriend and idk how he and my parents would feel about me being a hobo...OH! And btw, you cat shirt is awesome. Where do you get your cat shirts?
cat shirts are made by Enjoi, most any street wear/skateboarding store will have them
That shirt is amazing.
Actually, I think they meant "kakkoi" as in "cool" or "awesome". That's usually how the word is used.
So the correct translation is:
"You are so cool!!!"
And it's hiRAgana. Not Hirigana. :D
Brand is "enjoi" probably can find it on their website,... "enjoy!"
whoops, I forgot about LingQ, should probably add that to the blog post, thanks!
thank you Sandra!I really love you for this
oh i forgot to mention that pimsleur doesnt teach you any kana its all audio
but kana is really easy to find elsewhere so its not that big of a deal
@alexjxcx Yes. But since there are only 3 levels for it, unlike with Spanish which has 5, you will need to get other materials as well once you finish Rosetta if you wish to become more fluent.
We don't seem to get Rosetta Stone here in Australia... so I had to google it..
Sweet ass shirt champ !
I just checked the RS site. You can get all 3 levels for $300. Not $1000. You might want to do your research before you completely trash something. I bought 5 levels of Spanish for less than $500. Also, you cannot learn a language just by listening to podcasts in that language. Lastly, RS lets you speak with people in the US/around the world who are learning the language or speak the language and learning english in addition to online lessons with a teacher You can't find that free on line
I got rosetta stone, I an half way thru the first one and can speak read and write basic japanese already. (i do study alot on the side - japanese tv books and flashcards.)
lol, yeah, I got a picture of it which I'll tweet later
I bought the Genki textbooks. Yet to crack them open (No really I was planning on starting tomorrow). I could`ve gotten the Rosetta stone, but that price. So many cat-shirts can be bought with one grand! ¬_¬
Thanks works like a charm!!! I love you for this!
I agree with him. Do not bother with Rosetta Stone. Minna no Nihongo and Genki are good textbooks along with using podcast and meeting Japanese people online.
having tried RS and Live Mocha I much much prefer RS, it's much better laid out and doesn't throw you in with the sharks. The price of RS is not worth it, but the program itself is great, much better than Live Mocha.
Koichi's back. I'll have to teach you a thing or two about British accents though!
Ha! My brother has that shirt! Eccept it isn't in red. He wears it all the time to the point that I started to hate it. LOL Anyways thanks for the advice. I'm going to check out that link.
some dude in my class has the same shirt in my class so amazing!!!
The ending of this video really ticked off my cat. Bahaha :)
I don't have rosetta stone, but I've learn so much Japanese without it. Just like this kid said, there are many alternatives, even some that are better.
You are informative and hilarious!
Love it!
Also, thanks for the advertisement; got a new xmas shopping source :D
The cat meow is SOOOO funny! Thanks for making my day! Domo arigato, Mr. Gato t-shirt!
Rosetta Stone is free to all military members. Should they take advantage of that?
1200 dollars? Really? It was only 400 for the entire set. And really it's not that much money. About the same price as an average game system nowadays. And considering taking a beginning japanese class at a local community college can be in the upwards of 400 bucks- i'd say the program is well worth the cost.
I actually find the program quite useful- far better than any other program I've ever tried- apart from actually going to Japan.
Your prices are a bit exagerated...but it is clearly for satirical purposes. Well done.
he thing with Rosetta stone is that it doesn't teach you conversational. It's very good for vocabulary and certain phrases. I would say use Rosetta Stone, but use alternatives while using it.
I don't really feel like the intent of the question was addressed in this video. Price aside, corporate image aside, does Rosetta Stone correctly teach the language? Is it a good and accurate method of learning the language, or will it teach uncommon phrases / words that may be "correct", but are never used. I find the problem with a lot of other resources is they have tons of information, it's all there and available, but it doesn't offer any sort of plan, or "curriculum". No way to test your knowledge or understanding at appropriate intervals without something like Lang 8 where you can just make people angry if you totally don't grasp anything (and also requires you're able to type in the language before you can start). Rosetta Stone promises an actual curriculum to follow, so the question is more towards: is the content it teaches accurate? Does it emphasize the most important aspects? How far can its curriculum get you into the language? Basics? Sentence construction? Conversational? You talked about it being expensive, but I didn't hear anything about the program or any aspects of it's teaching methods. I'm interested in the program, not the corporation that sells it.
Rosetta stone does teach you the language, but with a language like Japanese, its not really good for writing memorization, its best part is just the speech, since japanese doesnt use a normal alphabet like most other languages, its extremely impossible to learn by what Rosetta stone presents you with. I know this guy just looks like he is trying to advertise his website, but its actually a really good resource, i tried to learn hiragana from Rosetta stone but could never memorize it, then i found Tofugu, now i know the entire hiragana "alphabet" if anything, get started, Tofugu is an extremely well done resource. www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-hiragana/
I'm going with crunchyroll and manga university (I love anime and I can't get enough manga!)
STOP HATING ON ROSETTA STONE IT WORKS AND YOU KNOW IT DOES HATER!
That was the best cat impression ever!
yeah... i actually downloaded it a couple of days ago...
@regisnotxaiver EXACTLY! I just "got" Rosetta Stone with the Japanese Levels today. It was alright but after trying it I feel it's DEFINITELY not worth $1,000+. They don't even explain the grammar/syntax, it's just brute memorization.