Thanks, will have to do a harder one at some point so I get to show off some more dodges. A couple things I need to figure out before I go for that though. Romina next!
it's rewarding and makes me laugh a bit. saw 力丸 do it in their kill, so of course I had to use it and a few other no roll strats I saw for my first playthrough of the dlc. I love Messmer, might be my favorite boss in the DLC
That loop you have him do in with his thrusts definitely makes him seem trivial. If he doesn't always do that when you space him the way you did, it would be interesting to see what other dodges you could show off. Impressive nonetheless!
It's not a guaranteed loop, he can just jump away and do whatever after, but it's certainly very, very good when he does it. Thus the "God RNG" from the description. Will do a harder one at some point, because there are a few other cool dodges/punishes I didn't get to show off (like hitting him during his big flying five thrusts move f.ex.)
Insanely impressive, though I'm really curious if the final boss is even possible for this challenge(I genuinly don't see how you could strafe some of the moves)
Can his fireball move (not the starter one) be dodged consistently? I want to do a SL1 left-handed torch no roll kill on him, naturally it's going to be a long kill so I am afraid of any RNG possibly screwing everything over.
You can duck under the fireball with iron ball r2, but IDK what you'd do with torch. Maybe some jump or jump+r2 timing can mess up its tracking enough. He'll usually attack immediately after, so you also need to be spaced correctly to not immediately die to that. It's a pretty tough move to dodge. P2 has some RNG (might be solveable of course, just not by me) tied to the triple snake move that starts with a very long snake lunge and ends with a slam, and with getting cornered.
great stuff as always man. between you, seraphim and 力丸 I believe every remembrance boss has been done now aside from PCR. Have you messed around with Leda at all? someone on reddit was malding heavily on a rl1 run saying without summons the 5v1 gank with all the allies is impossible, which I highly doubt. Haven't found a kill yet though for rl1 against the full 5 enemy gank, there are a few kills with the main 3 of them. Just none with all 5 thus far
@@mouseinatutu well, that was basically all of our points opposing the person getting pissed he caved and summoned. and for sure the fight sucks normally let alone no roll, now i'm just interested if it can be done lol (not even no roll, just regular rl1 no hit for the 5v1)
Depends on if you allow ash of wars, there's quite a few ash of wars that will let you stunlock mfs before the other ones summon in with low FP cost like Repeating Thrust. I've only done the 1v5 on a regular levelled char, but with enough scadutree and buffs it should be possible on an RL1 as well. Without blessing and no ash of wars and including no hit it gets more hairy.
@@mouseinatutu it really says something when a guy as crazy as you dismisses the idea of dealing with a 5v1 npc gank, lol. it was a pain in the ass as a 3v2 for me until i pulled out a cold/bleed combo.
He's around a mid tier boss for no roll, P2 has some annoying RNG. I figure he's probably fantastic with rolls, a lot of cool punishes you can get in by ducking his moves or slight strafes.
Finally! I've been excited to see this one. Edit: after watching this i GOTTA call hax on some of those dodges, they're too good dude. I'm assuming the triple snakes attack would be an instant run ender?
Only surviveable if VERY far away (which I never am when playing P2) or when he runs at you before doing it as it's dodgeable from close range. But from close range I wasn't ever able to dodge the single snake bite, just has too good tracking and that move is far more common. It might be possible with some moveset dodge, like beast claws or cks, but I didn't experiment with those.
@@mouseinatutu that is what i'm starting to think for PCRs opening gravity spin move. I couldn't figure out for the life of me how to avoid it without rolling or even with jumping. I'm sure one of you guys will figure it out, made me think it may require a weapon skill to dodge, didn't try any of that though. You can r2 duck a few of his p1 moves including his scoop attack, though didn't mess around enough with it to 1. see if it is consistent due to the uneven terrain, and more importantly, if it's even worth it, especially once the light show begins in p2.
@@sakezakk Run away from the first three, jump right for the 4th (most of the time you don't even have to jump it, but the tracking is a bit weird), then keep running right and towards messmer for the 5th, then either to the side for messmer coming down with the fireball, or straight forwards if the snake's coming down
@@sakezakk It's pretty straight forwards, but you can't be in his face over-punishing because the initial explosion comes out pretty quick. I can grab a clip tomorrow, I've shut the PC down for the night. The only concern for RL1 no roll is that it's fairly stamina-intensive.
Great boss. There is some jank with snake targeting in p2 and the big p2 snake AoE move is a bit overtuned, comes out too quick which can hurt aggression
amazing kill, do u think its theoretically possible to no jump? im trying for the past 2 hours and i cannot seem to figure out how to walk some of his attacks
@@mouseinatutu u have inspired me for ther past 2 months to do some hard challenges without rolling and jumping, ur insane dude, u deserve more attention. Keep the great work man!!
Is there a way to no-roll his 'messmers assault' attack? also can't wait for Romina as she has that stinger move and i'm not sure if it's possible to run it at close range.
Messmer assault is that the one where he throws fire, then stabs five times while in the air and then comes down? If so, yes: Outspace the first part, strafe around him close, then outspace the spears coming up from the ground. You can even r2 him during the spears, and stamina willing jump r1 him after and still run to his back and bait a good attack
@mouseinatutu shame u didn't showcase them that's super impressive, also I kinda had complaint that dlc bosses had unfair hitboxes but u have disproved that
I think this is one of the ones you were asking about, forgot to grab a clip of the snake spam. But messmer's assault you can even just walk around: ruclips.net/video/ArGOOXWP4hg/видео.html There are some ridiculous hitboxes in the DLC for sure, but most tend to be good. The grab and the one explosion from this boss have pretty silly hitboxes, a couple of the snake ones are also not fantastic.
@@squarepusherssbmthis is not my question, i m asking if he use something to see the hitboxs or something else to find what he has to do when the boss does an attack
@@aurelmuhameti889 i can't speak for him 100%, but i almost gurantee no, just learns the strats, same as the few other players who all are basically pioneering the no roll strats. Also once you have done some no roll stuff and get into that playstyle and mindset, a lot of strats can be similar throughout the series, so you already have a pretty good idea for what will work for most (regular at least, or non-flashy/insane) moves
Yeah, I use ERTool specifically. Game is almost unplayable without stutter fix and it saves a lot of time compared to just practicing on a 99 vigor backup character.
You know, I was thinking about this for a while Am I bad for just nohitting bosses on my casual build? Should it have really taken 20 hours to nohit radahn like that? (1.13) And then I see normal people playing the game and I feel much better after seeing your vid You're not an inspiration because I won't do that shit bruh. Impressive though.
Yesterday I managed to beat Romina, Saint of the Bud. Maybe you can move onto that boss next? I don't think Commander Gaius is possible no hit no roll and I know nothing about Promised Consort Radahn. (Spoilers.)
Is there a way to avoid three consecutive attacks when the boss turns into a snake? I don't know how to avoid the last attack of hitting the floor with a snake
@@Storage-ts9fe Dodgeable when really close or really far, from midrange like I fight most of the time it's not avoidable, unfortunately. It's the one move that kind of ruins this fight in no roll. He'll sometimes sprint towards you before doing it, and then you can do the close range dodge.
@mouseinatutu Even though I jumped in the same direction and at the same time, I'm hit by a straight line attack by a boss summoning a snake next to him. I think it's because the snake attacked me with a curve, then the only solution is to keep the proper distance? It's too difficult for me 😔
As in, no sprint? P1 you can do for a while, some RNG only. P2 is a serious issue, a lot of gapclosers and snake attacks are just death as far as I can tell. Can probably do a no sprint on high scadu, just nuking him, but anything with an extended P2 I will not grind for, far too RNG for me.
ruclips.net/video/RUCoXsPjUrI/видео.html No sprint, but at blessing 10. P2 is just too rough for me to grind anything harder. Unfortunate, because P1 is actually fairly fun
I saw you said it was a good RNG run, but this is still INSANE dude. Absolutely nuts.
Thanks, will have to do a harder one at some point so I get to show off some more dodges. A couple things I need to figure out before I go for that though. Romina next!
Hitting the snake at the beginning of phase 2 was my favorite part. GG Mouse.
it's rewarding and makes me laugh a bit. saw 力丸 do it in their kill, so of course I had to use it and a few other no roll strats I saw for my first playthrough of the dlc. I love Messmer, might be my favorite boss in the DLC
Demigod bullied
Love to see it
That loop you have him do in with his thrusts definitely makes him seem trivial. If he doesn't always do that when you space him the way you did, it would be interesting to see what other dodges you could show off. Impressive nonetheless!
It's not a guaranteed loop, he can just jump away and do whatever after, but it's certainly very, very good when he does it. Thus the "God RNG" from the description. Will do a harder one at some point, because there are a few other cool dodges/punishes I didn't get to show off (like hitting him during his big flying five thrusts move f.ex.)
The urge not to roll lol. I would’ve caved the first 2 secs
Imagine desperately trying to win a life or death fight with this face staring at you 2:12
Came here from PCGamer. You're famous. Nice work!
Oh, is that where the extra views today came from. And thanks!
That was insaaaane! Absolute mastery of Messmer's fight! The RNG was crazy tho.
Insanely impressive, though I'm really curious if the final boss is even possible for this challenge(I genuinly don't see how you could strafe some of the moves)
Mighty impressive! Making it look like a cake walk.
Base(d) serpent Messmer
Can his fireball move (not the starter one) be dodged consistently? I want to do a SL1 left-handed torch no roll kill on him, naturally it's going to be a long kill so I am afraid of any RNG possibly screwing everything over.
You can duck under the fireball with iron ball r2, but IDK what you'd do with torch. Maybe some jump or jump+r2 timing can mess up its tracking enough. He'll usually attack immediately after, so you also need to be spaced correctly to not immediately die to that. It's a pretty tough move to dodge. P2 has some RNG (might be solveable of course, just not by me) tied to the triple snake move that starts with a very long snake lunge and ends with a slam, and with getting cornered.
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How do you like the fight, outside of snake combo?
It's okay, there's nothing that feels like super fun or rewarding to dodge
great stuff as always man. between you, seraphim and 力丸 I believe every remembrance boss has been done now aside from PCR. Have you messed around with Leda at all? someone on reddit was malding heavily on a rl1 run saying without summons the 5v1 gank with all the allies is impossible, which I highly doubt. Haven't found a kill yet though for rl1 against the full 5 enemy gank, there are a few kills with the main 3 of them. Just none with all 5 thus far
God, why would anyone subject themselves to doing the 5v1 when they can just get it as a 2v1 super easily? lol
@@mouseinatutu well, that was basically all of our points opposing the person getting pissed he caved and summoned. and for sure the fight sucks normally let alone no roll, now i'm just interested if it can be done lol (not even no roll, just regular rl1 no hit for the 5v1)
@@mouseinatutufor maximum difficulty
Depends on if you allow ash of wars, there's quite a few ash of wars that will let you stunlock mfs before the other ones summon in with low FP cost like Repeating Thrust. I've only done the 1v5 on a regular levelled char, but with enough scadutree and buffs it should be possible on an RL1 as well. Without blessing and no ash of wars and including no hit it gets more hairy.
@@mouseinatutu it really says something when a guy as crazy as you dismisses the idea of dealing with a 5v1 npc gank, lol. it was a pain in the ass as a 3v2 for me until i pulled out a cold/bleed combo.
tres elegant. how do you feel about this boss? i know you were unhappy with some of the DLC bosses. where does messmer rank?
He's around a mid tier boss for no roll, P2 has some annoying RNG. I figure he's probably fantastic with rolls, a lot of cool punishes you can get in by ducking his moves or slight strafes.
Finally! I've been excited to see this one.
Edit: after watching this i GOTTA call hax on some of those dodges, they're too good dude. I'm assuming the triple snakes attack would be an instant run ender?
Only surviveable if VERY far away (which I never am when playing P2) or when he runs at you before doing it as it's dodgeable from close range. But from close range I wasn't ever able to dodge the single snake bite, just has too good tracking and that move is far more common. It might be possible with some moveset dodge, like beast claws or cks, but I didn't experiment with those.
@@mouseinatutu that is what i'm starting to think for PCRs opening gravity spin move. I couldn't figure out for the life of me how to avoid it without rolling or even with jumping. I'm sure one of you guys will figure it out, made me think it may require a weapon skill to dodge, didn't try any of that though. You can r2 duck a few of his p1 moves including his scoop attack, though didn't mess around enough with it to 1. see if it is consistent due to the uneven terrain, and more importantly, if it's even worth it, especially once the light show begins in p2.
1:25 ballbros
GG Mouse!
The crowd loves a good R2 duck (the double swipe is guaranteed follow-up to single snake bite)
Very cool, but what do you do vs his snake spam attack?
@@sakezakk Run away from the first three, jump right for the 4th (most of the time you don't even have to jump it, but the tracking is a bit weird), then keep running right and towards messmer for the 5th, then either to the side for messmer coming down with the fireball, or straight forwards if the snake's coming down
@@mouseinatutu It's actually possible to dodge? Wow.
@@sakezakk It's pretty straight forwards, but you can't be in his face over-punishing because the initial explosion comes out pretty quick. I can grab a clip tomorrow, I've shut the PC down for the night. The only concern for RL1 no roll is that it's fairly stamina-intensive.
Those aimpunches are insane.
amazing work
Amazing skill
Do you think this is S tier with rolls
Did you find any bad hit boxes
Great boss. There is some jank with snake targeting in p2 and the big p2 snake AoE move is a bit overtuned, comes out too quick which can hurt aggression
Your mask has that anticlimactic look as well, good job.
amazing kill, do u think its theoretically possible to no jump? im trying for the past 2 hours and i cannot seem to figure out how to walk some of his attacks
The crazy fire spin move and some snake attacks are concerns for no jump. Maybe doable with some moveset dodge, but idk
@@mouseinatutu u have inspired me for ther past 2 months to do some hard challenges without rolling and jumping, ur insane dude, u deserve more attention. Keep the great work man!!
Is there a way to no-roll his 'messmers assault' attack?
also can't wait for Romina as she has that stinger move and i'm not sure if it's possible to run it at close range.
Messmer assault is that the one where he throws fire, then stabs five times while in the air and then comes down? If so, yes: Outspace the first part, strafe around him close, then outspace the spears coming up from the ground. You can even r2 him during the spears, and stamina willing jump r1 him after and still run to his back and bait a good attack
ruclips.net/video/2cLxiiCQ5t0/видео.html
Crazy, btw is it possible to dodge the massive aoes like combo which ends in spears from ground and phase 2 snake spam
Yeah, I posted a clip of one of them. For snake spam you just run away and jump to the side for 4th snake.
@mouseinatutu shame u didn't showcase them that's super impressive, also I kinda had complaint that dlc bosses had unfair hitboxes but u have disproved that
I think this is one of the ones you were asking about, forgot to grab a clip of the snake spam. But messmer's assault you can even just walk around: ruclips.net/video/ArGOOXWP4hg/видео.html
There are some ridiculous hitboxes in the DLC for sure, but most tend to be good. The grab and the one explosion from this boss have pretty silly hitboxes, a couple of the snake ones are also not fantastic.
Do you use ER tools to do the bosses that early ?
There's a mod you can get for PC to instantly travel to bosses
@@squarepusherssbmthis is not my question, i m asking if he use something to see the hitboxs or something else to find what he has to do when the boss does an attack
@@aurelmuhameti889 i can't speak for him 100%, but i almost gurantee no, just learns the strats, same as the few other players who all are basically pioneering the no roll strats. Also once you have done some no roll stuff and get into that playstyle and mindset, a lot of strats can be similar throughout the series, so you already have a pretty good idea for what will work for most (regular at least, or non-flashy/insane) moves
Yeah, I use ERTool specifically. Game is almost unplayable without stutter fix and it saves a lot of time compared to just practicing on a 99 vigor backup character.
@@mouseinatutu good thing i prefaced my guess lmao
This is some really sexy gameplay
You know, I was thinking about this for a while
Am I bad for just nohitting bosses on my casual build? Should it have really taken 20 hours to nohit radahn like that? (1.13)
And then I see normal people playing the game and I feel much better after seeing your vid
You're not an inspiration because I won't do that shit bruh. Impressive though.
GG, a very beautiful kill.
Thanks
great!!!!!
"He used weapons, not a real souls player"
Yesterday I managed to beat Romina, Saint of the Bud. Maybe you can move onto that boss next? I don't think Commander Gaius is possible no hit no roll and I know nothing about Promised Consort Radahn. (Spoilers.)
@@hunterfife2994 I'll do Romina next. Gaius has been done , so it's definitely possible, though idk how much RNG there is
heavy load run
Fat roll can't hurt you if you don't roll 🤔
@@mouseinatutu it just emphasizes the heavy balls
Is there a way to avoid three consecutive attacks when the boss turns into a snake?
I don't know how to avoid the last attack of hitting the floor with a snake
@@Storage-ts9fe Dodgeable when really close or really far, from midrange like I fight most of the time it's not avoidable, unfortunately. It's the one move that kind of ruins this fight in no roll. He'll sometimes sprint towards you before doing it, and then you can do the close range dodge.
@mouseinatutu Thank you so much
Your videos are really helpful in my challenge
Without your videos, I would have taken 20 more hours for every boss
@@mouseinatutu If you don't mind, may I see the video of you avoiding the attack?
@@Storage-ts9fe I don't have any clips saved. I know there are some clips from mutu out there somewhere, but good luck finding 'em
@mouseinatutu Even though I jumped in the same direction and at the same time, I'm hit by a straight line attack by a boss summoning a snake next to him. I think it's because the snake attacked me with a curve, then the only solution is to keep the proper distance? It's too difficult for me 😔
What is he pressing for run?
I run with L2, and a paddle underneath the controller
These bosses must be so easy for you with an actual build
Can you do "no run" next time?
As in, no sprint? P1 you can do for a while, some RNG only. P2 is a serious issue, a lot of gapclosers and snake attacks are just death as far as I can tell.
Can probably do a no sprint on high scadu, just nuking him, but anything with an extended P2 I will not grind for, far too RNG for me.
ruclips.net/video/RUCoXsPjUrI/видео.html No sprint, but at blessing 10. P2 is just too rough for me to grind anything harder. Unfortunate, because P1 is actually fairly fun
@@mouseinatutu dude, you are different, congratz
Mouse youre just an IRL TES. gg! made it look easy, as always
Much love
what a crazy...
Why he isn't wearing pants? I don't believe u stole the man pants.
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How ppl are expected to play:
Wish I was not bad at this game lol
@@mc-pq5bd Practice, practice
Edit: nvm I thought he had dodged for a moment and made a post about it (here)
What?
@@mouseinatutu I don't know. What happened there, even? I'm ill today and I can't tell.
@@yahifumeno You've linked to me jumping behind the boss as he comes down
@@mouseinatutu Aah I was so confused. Thank you. Back to suffering I go.
Amazing job, surely PCR is next? 🥲
Romina, Gaius and Metyr still exist
I don't think that one is possible.