The formbot (vivedino) Voron 2.4 kit is $719USD for the 250mm variant. The 350mm variant is $839USD with v6 hotend. I’ve been eyeing this printer. Look forward to seeing your build video.
The Bambu P1P and X1C and the Creality K1 and K1 Max use sensors to detect the force of the nozzle on the build plate when auto bed leveling which is clever because there is no need to have the tolerance of the nozzle offset that you have with BL Touch or similar bed leveling, but the Voron method of using the nozzle tip to touch off for Z=0 also accounts for nozzle offset, which is clever in its own right. What kind of print speeds do you get with Voron 2.4?
Teamgloomy are working with Formbot to improve the config files etc that are supplied as stock with the Troodon V2. We've added some information about the printer to the wiki along with some initial recommended changes for users to make. More information will be added in the coming days and weeks.
Looking forward to the assembly of this printer, I built a Pro 3D V-King 400 from self sourced best quality parts and this printer runs RepRap which I love! so I am so wanting to see how this performs. + 1 new Subscriber
Thats a good price on that printer depending on the parts quality it has but that is a major stretch to say it would take 30 mins to build. It took me more time than that just to assure that the frame of my voron 2.4 was square and flush during assembly. Even in an ideal world you would still be looking at several hours.
hi, I saw that you also have Mosaic Palettes, I would like to know what you think about them, are they still valid? How did you configure them? can they be used with klipper or is it better to use them with the classic marlin firmware? I would love to see a video about it! I'm a new user and this is the first video I've watched, congratulations, excellent unboxing!
Hey there. Thanks for watching. I have a variety of Palette 2s and 3s. Only the 2 is compatible with Klipper. They’re pretty error prone devices and haven’t been receiving updates from the manufacturer in a long time. I would only buy one if you could get it second hand for cheap.
Do not forget vorons PiF program. There the cost will be almost close to just the filament. Also to be able to be part of pif you need to be approved. So all parts are perfect.
Let me stop you for a sec. I just bought the full pif kit and i paid 250 euros for it. That's a lot of filament. The parts look good but they are not WOW. I could do better on my cr10s pro (but i don't really want to spend weeks printing ABS indoors during the winter). It's a good option but it's definitly not charity.
Hey Jimmy. This kit does not require you to print your own parts. The Troodon comes with injection molded plastic parts. If you're thinking of building a Voron, it is recommended that you print the parts from ABS. If you're not planning to enclose the machine you might be able to get away with PETG, but PLA would not be advisable.
Kinda interesting, I would love to see klipper out of the box at the price. The thing is by the time you add pi for klipper and the hardware for input shaping the cost goes up almost another 100 dollars. I think voron and all the clones really have a big problem in that they just can't compete at the price. When you compare to the bambu labs you can get the same for 699 with the stripped down version. Adding any of the little upgrades like side panels for high temp materials isn't going to likely cost more than 100 dollars. You get a better out of the box printer for cheaper. The X1/x1c is going to be much much better for what amounts to only a slight bit more. That said I am still kinda wary of bambulabs with the locked down aspect where you have to use their software. What happens if they stop support in 2 years or start charging for updates. You also need to go to them for any parts as well, they are reasonably priced at least for now but I still am wary on that.
There is no denying that the Bambu Lab printers present a compelling value proposition, but until they release a larger build volume version there will still be demand for printers like the Voron and the Troodon. There is also folks who prefer an open architecture ecosystem that they can modify to their heart’s content. Concerning Klipper and the need to add a Pi, this certainly isn’t a necessity. This printer has wireless connectivity out of the box which is part of the benefit of adding a Pi. Like Klipper, RepRap firmware has the capacity for input shaping. This will require an accelerometer but that will only run you approximately $10.
I don’t want an always on security breach on my network. And on the functionality side vorons and Bambu are different beasts. If you can’t see advantage on Vorons is because of your use case and experience.
Have a bambu x1c with 2 ams units, looking at the voron, as its a 350mm build. Have a ender 5 plus, heavily modified, but at its best prints good but slow. Normally, is hit or miss. Would like a bambu "speedish" large format printer to print larger models, or just single color. Love the bambu, but multi color prints are days, would be nice to single color speed run some during that. Would like a 2nd bambu, but, space/location is 2 printers max, and adding a 2nd x1 fits better with ams compatable and slicing/etc/etc/etc, it doesnt fix the 256mm build limit. Which is actually a hinderance sometimes. But, will say, I'd take a bambu anyday over a voron, canceled my m4, not even caring about the k1, and sold my 5s/3s1pros.
I was looking at this printer, seems like its a great value. I'm just wondering if all the voron mods would be applicable here aswell? Such as the klicky mod
Most mods should be applicable. However, there are fewer inputs on the motherboard since most of the connections are routed through a single bus cable to the daughter board. Thus, you may need to unplug some of the existing peripherals (e.g. led light bar) if you want to repurpose those pins. The Klicky probe replaces the inductive probe so that particular mod shouldn’t be an issue as far as connections are concerned.
ITs not a BTT clone, Its the Octopus X7 made custom for Formbot from BTT. The pinout is not the same, I have the new pinout from formbot, You can contact and get, they just finished getting from engineers
Interesting. When I asked Formbot / Vivedino this is what they had to say: “the mother board is customized based on BTT Octopus board, the drivers are TMC2209.”. I took this to mean it was a clone of the Octopus but I haven’t opened up the printer to confirm.
@@ygk3d Yeah is 7 driver board with a big plug on one side for all the wires that go to that breakout board. Has nowhere near the number of fans/heaters as a regular octopus. But then you don't need them with a board designed for a specific printer.
Troodon is not a Voron. Formbot does make good Voron kits, but this is Formbot (aka Vivindo) modifications of a Voron printer. Other than being derivative, it has no relationship to Voron.
The formbot (vivedino) Voron 2.4 kit is $719USD for the 250mm variant. The 350mm variant is $839USD with v6 hotend.
I’ve been eyeing this printer. Look forward to seeing your build video.
Ah, true. So an even better value proposition for the Troodon 2.0 as it is 350 mm. Thanks for pointing this out.
The Bambu P1P and X1C and the Creality K1 and K1 Max use sensors to detect the force of the nozzle on the build plate when auto bed leveling which is clever because there is no need to have the tolerance of the nozzle offset that you have with BL Touch or similar bed leveling, but the Voron method of using the nozzle tip to touch off for Z=0 also accounts for nozzle offset, which is clever in its own right. What kind of print speeds do you get with Voron 2.4?
Teamgloomy are working with Formbot to improve the config files etc that are supplied as stock with the Troodon V2. We've added some information about the printer to the wiki along with some initial recommended changes for users to make. More information will be added in the coming days and weeks.
Very exciting prospects here. A tempting purchase. Lets see how it comes together and runs. Thank you so much for this.
Definitely an intriguing machine. Has all the makings of a great printer at a really reasonable price point. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video. Ordered on of these printers. Will be printing in ABS so looking forward to fetting it going.
I'd love to see someone assemble that in 30 min lmao. As soon as I saw the pullies and belts I knew it was not gonna happen.
Definitely seems a little far fetched… I’ll be starting the assembly soon so we’ll see how I make out.
@@ygk3d I'll check it out, great intro video.
Hey, thank you for sharing this very intersting 3printer. Exciting and intringuing machine!
Looking forward to the assembly of this printer, I built a Pro 3D V-King 400 from self sourced best quality parts and this printer runs RepRap which I love! so I am so wanting to see how this performs. + 1 new Subscriber
Thats a good price on that printer depending on the parts quality it has but that is a major stretch to say it would take 30 mins to build. It took me more time than that just to assure that the frame of my voron 2.4 was square and flush during assembly. Even in an ideal world you would still be looking at several hours.
Hope the build video actually materializes. This was a pretty good initial video.
In the editing stages now. Will be posting soon!
Why do you feel the need to make the case for who this is marketed to and who it would appeal to?
hi, I saw that you also have Mosaic Palettes, I would like to know what you think about them, are they still valid? How did you configure them? can they be used with klipper or is it better to use them with the classic marlin firmware? I would love to see a video about it!
I'm a new user and this is the first video I've watched, congratulations, excellent unboxing!
Hey there. Thanks for watching. I have a variety of Palette 2s and 3s. Only the 2 is compatible with Klipper. They’re pretty error prone devices and haven’t been receiving updates from the manufacturer in a long time. I would only buy one if you could get it second hand for cheap.
Do not forget vorons PiF program. There the cost will be almost close to just the filament. Also to be able to be part of pif you need to be approved. So all parts are perfect.
Let me stop you for a sec. I just bought the full pif kit and i paid 250 euros for it. That's a lot of filament. The parts look good but they are not WOW. I could do better on my cr10s pro (but i don't really want to spend weeks printing ABS indoors during the winter).
It's a good option but it's definitly not charity.
@@BMW520ITURBO 250€? PIF should be around half that price. You sure it was a Voron PIF?
Do you have any videos on the original troodon? Those build plate sizes are crazy but not a lot of people have them.
No videos unfortunately but I do have the machine. It's been a decent printer for me but not without its issues.
Thanks for sharing your beautiful machine 👍..
The print head is really stunning esp in Red. May I know is PLA ok for printing the parts?
Hey Jimmy. This kit does not require you to print your own parts. The Troodon comes with injection molded plastic parts. If you're thinking of building a Voron, it is recommended that you print the parts from ABS. If you're not planning to enclose the machine you might be able to get away with PETG, but PLA would not be advisable.
Kinda interesting, I would love to see klipper out of the box at the price. The thing is by the time you add pi for klipper and the hardware for input shaping the cost goes up almost another 100 dollars.
I think voron and all the clones really have a big problem in that they just can't compete at the price. When you compare to the bambu labs you can get the same for 699 with the stripped down version. Adding any of the little upgrades like side panels for high temp materials isn't going to likely cost more than 100 dollars. You get a better out of the box printer for cheaper. The X1/x1c is going to be much much better for what amounts to only a slight bit more.
That said I am still kinda wary of bambulabs with the locked down aspect where you have to use their software. What happens if they stop support in 2 years or start charging for updates. You also need to go to them for any parts as well, they are reasonably priced at least for now but I still am wary on that.
There is no denying that the Bambu Lab printers present a compelling value proposition, but until they release a larger build volume version there will still be demand for printers like the Voron and the Troodon. There is also folks who prefer an open architecture ecosystem that they can modify to their heart’s content. Concerning Klipper and the need to add a Pi, this certainly isn’t a necessity. This printer has wireless connectivity out of the box which is part of the benefit of adding a Pi. Like Klipper, RepRap firmware has the capacity for input shaping. This will require an accelerometer but that will only run you approximately $10.
nahhhh bambulabs is nothing special
I don’t want an always on security breach on my network. And on the functionality side vorons and Bambu are different beasts. If you can’t see advantage on Vorons is because of your use case and experience.
Have a bambu x1c with 2 ams units, looking at the voron, as its a 350mm build. Have a ender 5 plus, heavily modified, but at its best prints good but slow. Normally, is hit or miss. Would like a bambu "speedish" large format printer to print larger models, or just single color. Love the bambu, but multi color prints are days, would be nice to single color speed run some during that.
Would like a 2nd bambu, but, space/location is 2 printers max, and adding a 2nd x1 fits better with ams compatable and slicing/etc/etc/etc, it doesnt fix the 256mm build limit. Which is actually a hinderance sometimes.
But, will say, I'd take a bambu anyday over a voron, canceled my m4, not even caring about the k1, and sold my 5s/3s1pros.
Are you going to do an assembly and config video until is running?
Yes. Stay tuned!
Looks great.
I was looking at this printer, seems like its a great value. I'm just wondering if all the voron mods would be applicable here aswell? Such as the klicky mod
Most mods should be applicable. However, there are fewer inputs on the motherboard since most of the connections are routed through a single bus cable to the daughter board. Thus, you may need to unplug some of the existing peripherals (e.g. led light bar) if you want to repurpose those pins. The Klicky probe replaces the inductive probe so that particular mod shouldn’t be an issue as far as connections are concerned.
link to purchase?
www.formbot3d.com/products/troodon-20-pre-assembled-fully-enclosed-corexy-3d-printer
@@ygk3d thank you saw formbot but wanted to make sure
Subbed to see how this unfolds.... if only they made a similar offering based on the trident
Me too.
Which printer is this really big one, left from your side ?
That's the original Troodon v1.
That RatRig looks like the 500, love my ratrig !
Indeed it is! Go big or go… build a Voron instead 😜
Links would be nice, subbed!
In my humble opinion I would not consider installing klipper to be an upgrade over RRF
Yeah, that was a bad choice of words. I phrase it better in the later videos in this series.
I’m honestly a bit confused as to why some of the parts would be SLS printed. Not that it’s had….. just seems like that would be way more expensive.
That was a mistake on my part. I corrected myself in the second video in this series. All of the plastic parts are injection molded.
@@ygk3d thank you! That makes so much more sense!
ITs not a BTT clone, Its the Octopus X7 made custom for Formbot from BTT. The pinout is not the same, I have the new pinout from formbot, You can contact and get, they just finished getting from engineers
Interesting. When I asked Formbot / Vivedino this is what they had to say: “the mother board is customized based on BTT Octopus board, the drivers are TMC2209.”. I took this to mean it was a clone of the Octopus but I haven’t opened up the printer to confirm.
@@ygk3d Yeah is 7 driver board with a big plug on one side for all the wires that go to that breakout board. Has nowhere near the number of fans/heaters as a regular octopus. But then you don't need them with a board designed for a specific printer.
Troodon is not a Voron. Formbot does make good Voron kits, but this is Formbot (aka Vivindo) modifications of a Voron printer. Other than being derivative, it has no relationship to Voron.
Certainly not a true Voron but heavily inspired by the Voron 2.4 and a good option for those not interested in building a kit.
All those printers and none of them are printing!
They would be but then the audio would suck for the video 😜
@@ygk3d everything aside! I'm really looking forward to your feedback on the fully assembled and operational troodon 2.0
12:23 "Upgrade" to Klipper... That's debatable. :)
Meaning?