Acoustic Sounds Verve Series - Coleman Hawkins Encounters Ben Webster
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Coleman Hawkins Encounters Ben Webster is a recording done by Verve Records in 1957. It has recently been reissued on the Acoustic Sounds Verve Jazz Series. in an all analog cut from the original master tape by Bernie Grundman for Classic Records, pressed at Quality Record Pressing on 180gm vinyl, and housed in a deluxe high gloss laminated gatefold by Stoughton Printing.
Coleman Hawkins Encounters Ben Webster a perfect release to kick off a new series of videos under the banner "Late Night Jazz Pick"
Coleman Hawkins Encounters Ben Webster features the following musicians:
Colman Hawkins - Tenor Saxophone
Ben Webster - Tenor Saxophone
Alvin Stoller - Drums
Oscar Peterson - Piano
Herb Ellis - Guitar
Ray Brown - Bass
(Correction: In the video, I stated Herb Ellis is on piano - it is Oscar Peterson on piano and Herb Ellis on guitar - also, even though the jacket states Ryan Smith mastered this, it is in error. This is a repress of Bernie Grundman's wonderful Classic Records mastering)
00:00 Introduction
01:12 Some Observations
01:55 Presentation
03:15 Late Night Jazz Pick
03:45 The Musicians
04:23 The Music
07:43 Conclusion
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Note: The jacket on this release is in error (again!)
The mastering is not by Ryan Smith, but is the original Classic Records mastering from Bernie Grundman.
Two of my favorite sax men, and Duke’s finest. I think you’ll love Ben Weber’s Soulville. That’s coming out soon. Can’t wait! Thank you for all your great content this year. I always look forward to hearing what you have to say. Enjoy the holidays.
Thank you! Soulville is definitely on order! I can't wait! I appreciate all your support and hearing from you always. Happy Holidays to you too my friend.
Hi Scott, I haven't written in a bit. I used to really love sax, but the I heard Chet Baker and the trumpet became my favorite. That being said, I do love me some Ben Webster. You put it really well, describing his tone as buttery. I became aware of him years ago with his work on a few of the later Billie Holiday albums. I'm not all that familiar with Coleman Hawkins. I'm going to stream the album and will more than likely buy it. On a person note..... I am listening to Cafe Blue, which you turned me onto. It is in my Top 5 LP's of all time. Anyway, I know you had a loss earlier in the year. I'm not sure what your faith tradition is (if any), but this can be a tough time of the year after losing a loved one. I wanted you to know I'm thinking of you. Take care and be gentle with yourself. Best,
Johnny K.
First got this on CD in the late 90s and it's been one of my favourite albums since that time. I've a vinyl copy from a few years ago which is very good. I don't usually buy reissues if i have a good vinyl copy, but i made an exception and i picked up this release. Reissue of the year for me.
This recording sounds stunning, the depth of field and sound stage is staggering
I wonder what studio Verve was using for this recording. The recording has wonderful spatial qualities that make it stand out.
Great to see you back making videos Scott! I relate to where you are coming from: haven’t been super excited about any recent pickups to let others know about them. In fact, I’m more interested in actually listening to what I have (gasp) more than acquire new stuff. Have I lost my mind?!?! 🤣
What a novel idea! I might try that myself. 🤣
Yeah it's a balancing act. I can only have time to make x number of videos, so I do tend to gravitate to things I can highly recommend. Yet then it appears you 'like everything' and can't be taken seriously! So I guess I gotta come out with a scathing review soon to keep my cred!
Another winner from you Scott! Keep it up buddy! I am so proud of what you've accomplished with your channel. No wonder it is atop the list of favorite RUclips channels for so many!
Thanks Oz,
I loved doing this video! It's a much easier task when a record really speaks to you. And this one did. What a joy to listen to these two greats together.
I have the Classic Records version of this wonderful record, cheers to AS and this video.
Thanks,
Apparently this is actually the Bernie Grundman mastering from Classic, repressed by Acoustic Sounds. These jackets must have been printed way ahead of the final decision on which mastering to use.
Thanks for another video Scott. I was very excited when this was announced as an upcoming release. I love those ‘40s and ‘50s early Tenor Sax players, Lester Young, Coleman Hawkins, Ben Webster, Gene Ammons, etc. My copy just arrived a couple of days ago, along with several others, but this was the first to be on the TT.
You said it all. It’s a phenomenal record, with great playing and the audio quality is so good. I was not completely thrilled by the reverb on the Sax playing as it made them sound a little like they were playing in the middle of the soundstage, but down the hallway a touch. I got over that! I would also highly recommend this release to all your viewers.
On a side note, personally I do NOT think you should pass on video reviews of records that turn out to be disappointing. It’s part of the experience for all of us, but sometimes what is disappointing to one may not be so for another? I’m interested in your viewpoints on as much as you listen to as possible. Good through the bad.
Plus, sometimes when I’m on the fence about a release a video review from someone that confirms the fact that a certain release should maybe be passed on, I find valuable in my purchasing decisions.
So, please give some thought to it as I enjoy all kinds of video reviews on both great records and those duds too!
Congrats on being named in Audiophilia’s top channels of 2023! I concur with his decision and please keep up the good work!
I know what you are saying regarding reviewing things I'm not crazy about. You're right, and I was afraid when I made the comment it might be taken in a way I didn't intend. Just to clarify, I don't want to be one of these reviewers that likes everything! That serves no purpose. Thankfully historically I have included some duds, and I'm not shy to say what I think about them. I think when I'm just not connecting with something musically, it's a bit harder to talk about. But don't worry, I won't decline to comment about a record if it misses the mark. I was just feeling a bit stuck and wanted something I could really get behind for this particular video at this time.
Happy to see you do a review of this release. I agree with most of your analysis with a couple minor nits to pick (for me). 🙂 Two things - I thought the bass was really lost and could have been more forward on most of the tracks; and the reverb unfortunately makes me immediately think of a swanky made-for-tv movie from the 70s 😄 (not in a cool way). I don't know if it was a recent disappointment for you but the Craft release of Portrait of Art Farmer is stellar imo, easily my pick of the two.
Yes the bass is understated, I think I said it was not showy as Ray can sometimes be, but it's true it could be brought out just a bit more perhaps. The teverb borders on too much but for me stays within the lines of good taste. I've not heard the new Art Farmer yet but I can't imagine being disappointed with any of that series sonically. Musically only one I didn't care for was My Fair Lady.
Would love to know what pressings you have been disappointed with this year. So I can stay clear from them. Thank for the reviews!
I sometimes buy things blindly, mostly in jazz but others as well, and the comment was not really clear. I sometimes will have to spend more time with an unfamiliar album and end up not really connecting with it. There's nothing wrong physically with the record, but I sometimes will struggle with what to say about it musically. Perhaps I'll do a catch all of some of these records which while highly thought of by many, just didn't rock my boat.
If a record I'm keen on reviewing has issues with mastering or pressing I will do the review and talk about it. I've done several in the past that fall into this category and you can rest assured there will be more.
Curiously enough the reissue by Classic that I bought almost 30 years ago wasn't gatefold and on the jacket there were no mastering credits (but we know it was done by BG). Of course the musicians are amazing and the sonics stellar: tons of harmonics throughout
Yes, the same mastering as the Classic, but in the nice upgraded jacket. You have a winner as you well know! Just amazing. I'm glad they decided to go with the BG plates in this case. Thanks for your comments!
Would be curious for you to A/B some of the Verve titles with the older 45rpm versions from AP. Great idea for a new series. I'm here for the Sunday Mornings AND the Late Nights. Thanks, Scott.
So far I only have three of those incredible Verve 45s by George Marino. But if they come out with any of those three, or I'm lucky to pick up other titles, I will certainly do that. The vocal ones are some of the best records I've ever heard. Thanks for joining me on this series!
@@ThePressingMatters Certainly. I'll keep an eye out for you as well. There are a couple audiophile record shops here in LA that sometimes get still sealed or barely played collections chock-full of Classic Records, early AP and others that are priced-to-sell... Last time at one shop they had just got in a big collection from an ex-RTI employee. Scored almost a dozen still sealed Classic 33rpm RCA Living Stereo Titles for $35/ea. Also grabbed a bunch of Music Matters Jazz titles from a different shop and collection they had purchased. Have made the habit of emailing every couple weeks to see what these folks get, as those titles move so fast off the shelves. Usually within a day or two. The older AP 45rpm Verve titles are so amazing. Just wish they'd gone one step further back then to do better jackets. Alas...
@@NotedArchived Wow I wish we had something like that here! I appreciate it!
You sold me on this! I would love to see you review some Sam Records titles if you have any.
This is a sure fire winner to add to your collection. I will be doing some of the San Records releases at some point. Thank you so much for watching and commenting!
Please return once you've heard it. I'd love to know your thoughts on it.
Yes - this is a really great album.
I've noticed that some times my system (too) seems to sound even better in the night (or very late in the evening).
It might be a psychological phenomenon - but some talk about the current in the mains being cleaner since so many (industrial) appliances are running.
I too have noticed this phenomenon and I do think it has something to do with a cleaner current. A record like this really shines when everything is just right.
I’m glad you covered this. I love it! Acoustic Sounds has quitely dropped some real heat this year and most of the VC has ignored it imo, like Roy Haynes and the Mingus LP. The only one that got a little love was Cannonball Adderley which was also another great one for the year.
Hi Jeffery,
Glad you liked the video and the record! I know what you are saying, as I don't recall many of these titles getting some love from other creators. I try to cover as many as I can from the Verve and Contemporary series. These are all beautiful releases, and I'm absolutely loving each and every one. It's fun to hunt Amazon for these a few months later - you can often get them $10 cheaper!
@@ThePressingMatters yeah I’ve gotten most if not all of the Contemporary Series as well and it’s been fabulous!!! It’s another one that is panned sometimes in the VC for reasons I don’t understand, I absolutely love the series. Nabbed the Phineas Newborn on Friday and it’s awesome! I’d say Leroy Vinnegar, Benny Carter & WestSide Story have been huge standouts for me but really enjoy the series as a whole. Recent releases such as Curtis Counce, Art Farmer and Shelly Mann (My Fair Lady) have been really nice!
@@jeffreywoodke I should have a new Contemporary review coming up soon. Maybe I'll collect a few more and do an overview. This series deserves more attention!
just got mine after a LONG back order ..and well worth it. will be adding this to my best of 23 in next video---this ight be a tie for #1 with the Evans/Bennett.--JG
I could see this topping the list. I out to try a best of list too! Thanks for your comment, and I'll keep an eye out for your video!
I have the Classics version. Have it listen to it again. How can you go wrong with those two? Another late night album you might have covered is Gerry Mulligan’s NIGHT LIGHTS. Absolutely gorgeous, one of my favorites. I have the Philips version. There is a more recent one as well. Another soft jazz selection is WINELIGHT by Grover Washington. Sublime is the word. Also Earl Klugh albums.
Apparently the jacket is mislabeled and this is a repress of the Classic!
Great recommendations for me to consider for new entries into this series. I love Earl Klugh and Grover Washington. I haven't heard the Gerry Mulligan Night Lights album, so I'm off to check it out now :-)
I empathize with your comments about buying music that you find you’re not crazy about. About a third of the records I’ve ordered lately are like that. I guess you just have to get used to the idea that you’re going to waste money at times in this hobby. I end up either throwing them away or giving them away. True, you can watch a streaming version first to decide if you like the music but often I don’t have the patience. Also it does not really give you a true indication of what the sound will be like on the record.
I guarantee you’ll love it! An essential album!
@@ericlubow4354 That's so true. I used to feel if someone is bothering to reissue a classic album, I'd trust it was a great record. But with jazz, I have to be more careful because not every facet of the jazz world speaks to me. On the other hand I've streamed stuff I was considering and was on the fence, not 100% sold on the recording and then when I hear the record it clicks and the sound is great. This happens often with Tone Poets for me.
Going to add this to my list - got the mofi milestones in stereo today, gets my thumbs up prefer it to the mofi mono and one of my favourite jazz albums. Vinyl is absolutely silent
Thanks for your comment! Are you saying MOFI has released it in both stereo and mono? I had no idea.
You'll certainly be impressed with the album under review. It's a great one for sound and performances.
@@ThePressingMatters yep the stereo just came out on super vinyl. It’s got new liner notes and a slightly different cover. Sounds fantastic, both do. What were the releases u bought that you didn’t think were any good? Was one of them Beatles red album?
@@mrpleasent6038 That's cool, I don't recall that being done very often if at all with MOFI.
I don't really want to say anything at this time, because I haven't finalized my opinion on these couple of records I'm going to hear them on another system and spending more time with them before I make a video. I will tell you if it's a bad record! But it's more about the music than sound.
I declined all the Beatles reissues both Red and Blue and Now And Then. Would you say they are a good alternative/upgrade?
@@ThePressingMatters I’m a massive Beatles fan and I liked the revolver remixes in 2022 so for me the red album is worth it. I havnt compared to my 2014 red album yet but the early stuff sounds more balanced between the speakers in stereo and you can hear little details better like hand claps etc
I am too a fan of the Revolver remixes. The Red album was on my list for the reasons you mention. Almost all of it was remixed finally and I am curious. I've only heard Love Me Do so far. Great to hear you feel it's well done.
I had the same reaction as you about 5 seconds into the first track. It sounds so beautiful.
I was familiar with the music, I bought the cd maybe 20 years ago. The music is exceptional, these cats are absolute masters and their chemistry excels.
But I never imagined I’d hear such a beautiful sounding version of this recording. It’s the best $38 I’ve spent in a long time.
Yes, “sublime” is exactly the right word.
Thanks for exposing this amazing record to a wider audience.
Warm regards,
Ron
Hi Ron!
Isn't it great when all the elements come together to form the most beautiful listening experience? From the choice of musicians, all wonderful, to the song selection, really giving the players a chance to create a continuous mood, to the superb Verve engineering that caught everything perfectly and arrayed it in space beautifully, to the sympathetic mastering that Bernie performed for Classic, that brings out the best of this tape with exquisite taste and refinement, to the flawless pressing that shames many much more costly records, and finally the lovely jacket that reinforces the feeling of quality.
This is the kind of record that we all hoped for. It's a steal at the list price.
So glad you got this one! Thank you for your comments.
Indeed very good sound wise, but please go and buy the 45rpm it’s I think i bit better. Available at acoustic sound store.
Thanks for your comment. I have loved all the Verve 45 Series releases that I've been able to acquire, and have no doubt that George Marino nailed that one too. I may pick it up at some point and will have further comments.
Yes I hope 😊 if you like that, in the same style the other 45rpm Coleman Hawkins and confrere also available. To be honest as good as the other one.
I've got three from the series and they are all vocal records, the two Billie Holiday, and one Ella. All great, I'm sure I'd love any of them. A very well done series.
I have a few of the acoustic sounds series but not got this one 👍. Hope your not too disappointed with the lamb lies down Genesis ? As i was hpping this going to be amazing , i have the classic tecords 33 which i love .
Great video Scott keep up the great reviews 😁
Hi Tony,
I think you would love this release. I know some people were expecting The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway review, and I'm not al all disappointed with it, I'm just taking my time with it to be sure I get my commentary just right. The urge is always there to get the video out first, but I'd rather be more thorough with TLLDOB. It's got so many aspects to talk about, and getting it all together with the style I do these in (one continuous take) has been difficult.
It's a beautiful release and really deserves my best.
Part of the issue is the excellent Classic 33. I love it too, and they do sound different.
@@ThePressingMatters all your videos are very professional, with very good in-depth reviews, I am now really looking forward to this one now 👍😁.
Also foxtrot and Nursery crime are due in April 😁👍.
@@tonynewman1694 I know! I can't wait for those too!
@@tonynewman1694 You've encouraged me to do my very best!
Verve by request is releasing "The In Crowd" by Ramsey Lewis in January 2024, I have an OG which sounds stunning check it out its great evening listening
I still have yet to try a Verve by Request release, so I may give that one a try based on your recommendation. Thanks!
Not made up my mind re Soulville which is coming next
I've got to audition it via streaming but I'm pretty sure I'll be getting Soulville too. I can't get enough of that Ben Webster sound and the Verve engineering was off the charts at this time.
SOULVILLE is great! Buy it!
You know I will! Thanks for the encouragement!
I think you have Hawkins and Webster confused. It is Ben that has the breathy tone. I know this album inside out as I got the LP about 45 years ago and I have it on CD as well. I have this version on order.
You're sure to love the new version. I admit I'm not an expert on the album, but I am happy to be corrected if I was wrong.