A mate of mine had a white coloured V8 VN.. Ex unmarked cop car. Anyhow, he got too drunk to drive home from Jupiters to Brisbane. Didn't I have fun driving home... never saw a cop the entire way home....the amount of people who hit the picks when I accelerated and they spotted it in their rear view mirror was incredible. This thing flew.
Sad cause VK and VL are the two best lookers. Shame they had an underpowered piece of shit under the bonnet. Apart from the Turbo Nissan. The Injected 304 was godly.
Both Holden and Ford were victims of poor American management. They weren’t interested in competing in the market but hoped the large family sedans would keep selling. The USA fools didn’t read the market here in Australia properly. Compacts, SUV’s and Duel cabs ruled the market. GM and Ford just wanted to line their pockets with subsidies. We could still be making cars in Australia if the market was read properly and GM and Ford weren’t so greedy.
SUVs and duel cabs are over rated and nothig mre than polution models based on truck frames it was the way they could get around the polution levels set for car based models so ranger and craptiva were made to sell over aussie made cars
Territory and Colorado too. But the point is no RnD was put into making these in Aus. The Territory just had an old engine dumped in an under developed SUV. The numbers at the plants in Aus were in a steady decline for many years and GM and Ford did nothing to keep up with the market. They decided long before anything was made public to pull out of Aus. Massive amounts of subsidies were just shipped overseas and not spent on any kind of development
VZ should have been the last Commodore. Locally designed and built SUV's and twincab utes were the path Holden SHOULD have taken. The planning department couldn't plan a p!ss up in a brewery.
@@noelgibson5956 The VE commodore planning began when Holden were kicking goals with the VT commodore back in 2000. Who would have predicted then that SUV's and dual cab utes would be the rage. Even if the VE commodore was an SUV, it still would have not mattered. There would not have been enough sales locally and the Australian dollar was so high that exports were not profitable. Ford Australia built an SUV and that wasn't enough to save them so it wouldn't have prevented Holden from going under. And finally GM were always going to pull out of Australia regardless of what government support they would receive.
@@noelgibson5956 I disagree. Holden's demise had nothing to do with them still building large cars, while market trended towards SUVs & smaller cars. This is myth often pushed by the media. Holden was building the best GM RWD cars in the world at the time & we were exporting around half of them. The VE series (2006-2013) was the best selling series in Holden's history. The local Commodore was always one of the top 3 best selling cars in Australia until the day it ceased production in 20177. It was GM in Detroit (Head Office) which took away our export markets & drained Holden of their cash reserves (they had been making good profits at the time). If we still had our export markets Holden would be still building proper cars in Australia today, dependent of the unions of course.
When the VB was released it was criticised for looking soft and smooth especially against Fords large boxy XD/XE Falcon. With the release of the VC Ford took market leadership from Holden and I heard that Holden execs told the designers to add angles and sharper edges to the VH to help it look more masculine. I think the VT was easily the best looking Commodore until the VE and it’s notable that while the VX-VY-VZ all got more creases and angles, the VZ had very angular tail lights that looked more like Mitsubishi Magna lights, as the models progressed the Monaro kept the smooth styling front and rear of the VT.
GM's 'business model' has seen them go bust several times. Bailed out by huge US tax funded bailouts. GMH (and Ford) was just another subsidiary, milked for decades, selling shit cars. Every so often they got it right. But they were always lower build quality.
the last car rolled off the line on the 17, not the 20th, the rest was for the cameras, on the 20th, it even reads that on the last vf redline, on a sign on top of the car, by the 20th, they were already pulling the place apart,
A couple of points. The Australian Government of the day and the American / Japanese car manufacturers thought the Transpacific Partnership trade agreement was a done deal. The TPP protected car manufacturing jobs in Japan and the USA at the expense of Australian car manufacturing jobs. The PM of the day refused to sponsor the Australian car manufacturing industry. His government supported the TPP and he was running around telling Australians that imported US and Japanese cars would be cheaper.. he lied. The LNP Federal government, Ford, General Motors and Toyota all thought the TTP was a done deal... until it wasn't.... But it was too late to do anything about the car manufacturer's decisions to leave. Australia's population demographic changed. As more immigrants from Asia and mainland Europe settled in Australia, they were more familiar with the brands from their places of origin. In Asia, the Asians drove Asian built cars and considered German brands, like Mercedes, as luxury status symbols. That is why we never saw a lot of Asians in Australia driving around in a VE / VF V8 commodore. As the Australian population increased, our capital cities became more congested. To some extent, smaller-sized cars that were more economical that were easier to park, and took up less space in the cities became more popular, especially as the price of fuel increased. The Aussie V8 in bump to bumper traffic chewed through 17+ litres of fuel stuck in traffic compared to 3 litres in a small compact that was much easier to find a parking space for. Our geographic location meant export sales were challenging. Above us are overpopulated nations where the majority of people are impoverished and or haven't a pot to piss in. Our main exports were to New Zealand and South Africa until the South African government did a deal with German manufacturers to build car plants in South Africa to create jobs. The British limited Holden to importing 300 vehicles a year, which were sold as a Vauxhall. The Americans deliberately steered potential buyers away from imported Holdens, but some of the police forces, Hollywood, a few fans realised what a good car they were. At the end, there are 1 million new cars a year being sold in Australia, split between several manufacturers. Marketing deals aside, the quality and safety of modern cars had reached a point where new cars where not a significant leap in features and technology, that justified the increased cost of a new vehicle. Many people stopped trading-in and upgrading their 2 year-old-car with low kilometres. There was not the same value for additional cost as in previous years. Even today, there are plenty of last model Fords and Holdens still driving around, especially in the regional areas. If they are looked after mechanically, and even with a minor bit of upgrading, they are still a great, reliable car with practical safety features. I think some of these modern cars with gearbox settings etc., have become too complex.... and I don't know if that complexity has translated into reliability. The one thing for certain is if one of these complex cars does breakdown on the side of the road... it is a tilt tray truck tow truck to the nearest mechanic. To an extent, that is true of the my VE and VF SSV manual sedans... but it is also not true.... I have fixed my VE a couple of times for minor issues on the side of the road.
@@Eric-kn4yn So Indians were flooded with Australian V8 cars? Strange... don't see a lot of them in traffic shots when watching videos about India... then again.. I don't watch a lot of videos on India.
In short, it is now illegal to mass manufacture vehicles in Australia. Within the Free Trade Agreement that the *Australian Government* signed off on is a condition that states Australia will jo longer mass manufacture vehicles. Holden, Ford, Toyota, Mitsubishi ALL ceased production due to this FTA. it had nothing to do with money.
good coverage. Nobody was going to save a manufacturing facility that ignored Commercial Vans, 4WDs, SUVs, all of which were growing (how is Toyota doing). These final cars were the best in class but simply an increasingly unwanted class. Read the market.
Inregards to the starfire chopping 2 cylinders off. Iv got a subaru h6 liberty. They did exact opposite to my engine they have 2 ltr 4 bangers ej20 as they call it and added 2 cylinders more into the flat 6 3litres great engine
@@brianlove8413 Holden was working on Monza styled replacement for Kingswood that got scrapped when they went with Commodore and HZ continued longer they kept WB Statesman and Utility vehicles with updated styling...
You never mentioned the awful Starfire engine. A 6 cylinder engine that had 2 cylinders cut off. Was supposed to be the fuel efficient option but used more fuel as was underpowered and had to work harder than the 6 or 8. It was gutless rubbish
Info is a bit out of whack during the course of the video & not matching video & images for each model. I could go into more detail but I can't be bothered. Basically, you your research properly.
It was a mid size in a full size market. Then, with the VE, they produce a dual cab Ute & AWD station wagon instead of the X5 sized SUV which they had already prepared. They could’ve the mid size Torana showcar and drop the SportWagon. No, it was poor product that killed the Commodore. Don’t reckon you sell the line up in China as Buick’s?
Dead right, Crewman was a useless abomination , ford was on target with the territory. But holden product & marketing for anything other than dinkum commodores was crap.
I own both a 2008 Wm series I (VE Equivalent) HSV Grange and a 2013 VF Series I SV6 sportswagon both brilliant cars that im proud to own and drive even compared to BMW and Mercedes ive driven i still feel like our locally built cars were the most honest reliable and engaging cars to drive. The Sv6 has 220,000km on it with minimal repairs jait maintnenance, still yet to replace the 4 disc rotors despite being on my second set of brake pads. I travel East to West daily in Melbourne and regularly get 8 to 9 litres per hundred km in her despite a range of traffic conditions. At her worst in severe traffic ive managed 12 litre per hundred km. My dilemma is getting rid of the car for something thats more expensive to purchase new despite being maybe more fuel efficient. Doing the sums even going to a new Hybrid Camry or Corolla i suspect there might be a 10 year payback period. Working in IT the wagon earns its keep regularly hauling servers and other bulky equipment so downsizing is also a challenge for me. Lastly both cars are a time capsule of memories of my late mother who was a petrolhead to the core and loved all things Holden. Guess im stuck driving these until im an old man (46 currently)😂
I am 60... never got over my lead foot from my motorbike days... Own a VE SS manual sedan I purchased 2nd hand in Western Australia with 44,000 on the clock back in 2010. Had it lowered... and still got it... just cracked 185 000 on it. Two years ago... purchased a 2nd hand VF series 1 SSV Redline manual sedan. Took it to a performance shop on the Gold Coast and had it modestly upgraded. Paid 46.5 with 65k on the clock. Ended up costing me 75 by the time I got it registered in NSW and improved. Just cracked 75,000 on it. Recently, put a tracker in and getting an immobiliser fitted next week. Then, looking at a tilt sensor. When I was looking around, I could not see myself in anything other than a Bugatti Veyron or Lambo... had to make a compromise. The Australian VE and VF were built for Australia... Great cars.
Yeah.....I hope the dude has those receipt books ready..... $250,000 a piece ? GenX would only want the original. Later generations have no interest or knowledge in Toranas.........and can't pay those prices anyway. This dude(Drive South), can build em........but nobody will buy them.
@@StevenMilne-sm4fk Yeah nah........they belong in the era they were created in. Why sully their legacy with fakes? If this guy wants to bring back a miniature form of local manufacturing, then why not do it with a fresh design with his DNA on it, rather than copies of fifty year old classics? I'm surprised GM is even allowing it without dragging him thru the legal system.
Holden like Ford were stuck in 1960 when a family Car was a 6 cylinder 4 door Sedan . A Blind Man could see where Australia was headed , a family Car was now a 4 cylinder Suv , plain and simple . Small Economy Cars have been available in Australia since WW2 , Morris , VW , Hillman , Triump and a million Escorts , Cortinas and Toyota and Datsuns . People who buy small Cars have always bought small Cars . Families who were the Lifeblood of Holden and Ford stopped buying them . That's what killed both of them . Their racing record doesn't mean anything to a non enthusiast who is just looking for a Car for the Family and Holden and Ford weren't even on the shopping list .
I disagree. Holden's demise had nothing to do with them still building large cars, while market trended towards SUVs & smaller cars. This is myth often pushed by the media. Holden was building the best GM RWD cars in the world at the time & we were exporting around half of them. The VE series (2006-2013) was the best selling series in Holden's history. The local Commodore was always one of the top 3 best selling cars in Australia until the day it ceased production in 20177. It was GM in Detroit (Head Office) which took away our export markets & drained Holden of their cash reserves (they had been making good profits at the time). If we still had our export markets Holden would be still building proper cars in Australia today, dependent of the unions of course.
I like my Aussie cars but we don need to know about the production bullshit. Live with it guys. It sucks. Your getting of track why they aren't here anymore. PS: VY and VZ were garbage compared to BA and BF Falcon. FACT.
Not really showing any bias here are we...Ford "killed their sales with the AU and from there Ford played catch up to the Commodore and by the time you got to BF Series Two it was well behind the new VE Commodore which quite simply outclassed the Falcon...
My VU SS Ute is still going strong after 24 years. And having driven Fords and Holdens all my life, I will say IMO that overall, I have had a better driving experience and reliability from the Holdens. Fords were good, but the Holden always edged the Ford out.
Too many cheap imports should have integrated Opel range sooner instead of Daewoo and provide better quality RHD Cadillac as premium range even if converted by Walkinshaw... Insignia should have been mid spec Cadillac GMSV branded to replace HSV...
Commodore did lose market leadership to falcon in 1982, however it did regain ground in 1988 with the VN.
A mate of mine had a white coloured V8 VN.. Ex unmarked cop car.
Anyhow, he got too drunk to drive home from Jupiters to Brisbane. Didn't I have fun driving home... never saw a cop the entire way home....the amount of people who hit the picks when I accelerated and they spotted it in their rear view mirror was incredible. This thing flew.
Sad cause VK and VL are the two best lookers. Shame they had an underpowered piece of shit under the bonnet. Apart from the Turbo Nissan. The Injected 304 was godly.
Both Holden and Ford were victims of poor American management. They weren’t interested in competing in the market but hoped the large family sedans would keep selling. The USA fools didn’t read the market here in Australia properly. Compacts, SUV’s and Duel cabs ruled the market. GM and Ford just wanted to line their pockets with subsidies. We could still be making cars in Australia if the market was read properly and GM and Ford weren’t so greedy.
SUVs and duel cabs are over rated and nothig mre than polution models based on truck frames it was the way they could get around the polution levels set for car based models so ranger and craptiva were made to sell over aussie made cars
Territory and Colorado too. But the point is no RnD was put into making these in Aus. The Territory just had an old engine dumped in an under developed SUV. The numbers at the plants in Aus were in a steady decline for many years and GM and Ford did nothing to keep up with the market. They decided long before anything was made public to pull out of Aus. Massive amounts of subsidies were just shipped overseas and not spent on any kind of development
Jim Richards looks a lot like Allan Moffat 🙂
Oh no haha
If you make what people want they will buy it !
Imagine if Holden made v6 4wd dual cab Ute's, v6 4wd wagons & v8 1.5t trucks .
VZ should have been the last Commodore.
Locally designed and built SUV's and twincab utes were the path Holden SHOULD have taken.
The planning department couldn't plan a p!ss up in a brewery.
@@noelgibson5956 The VE commodore planning began when Holden were kicking goals with the VT commodore back in 2000. Who would have predicted then that SUV's and dual cab utes would be the rage. Even if the VE commodore was an SUV, it still would have not mattered. There would not have been enough sales locally and the Australian dollar was so high that exports were not profitable. Ford Australia built an SUV and that wasn't enough to save them so it wouldn't have prevented Holden from going under. And finally GM were always going to pull out of Australia regardless of what government support they would receive.
they wouldn't have sold enough to make it economical to keep the factory going.
They did V6 dual cabs....years back called a Rodeo.. Problem is, people think an SUV is huge and great. They are a tin can shit heap.
@@noelgibson5956 I disagree. Holden's demise had nothing to do with them still building large cars, while market trended towards SUVs & smaller cars. This is myth often pushed by the media. Holden was building the best GM RWD cars in the world at the time & we were exporting around half of them. The VE series (2006-2013) was the best selling series in Holden's history. The local Commodore was always one of the top 3 best selling cars in Australia until the day it ceased production in 20177. It was GM in Detroit (Head Office) which took away our export markets & drained Holden of their cash reserves (they had been making good profits at the time). If we still had our export markets Holden would be still building proper cars in Australia today, dependent of the unions of course.
When the VB was released it was criticised for looking soft and smooth especially against Fords large boxy XD/XE Falcon. With the release of the VC Ford took market leadership from Holden and I heard that Holden execs told the designers to add angles and sharper edges to the VH to help it look more masculine. I think the VT was easily the best looking Commodore until the VE and it’s notable that while the VX-VY-VZ all got more creases and angles, the VZ had very angular tail lights that looked more like Mitsubishi Magna lights, as the models progressed the Monaro kept the smooth styling front and rear of the VT.
It simply didnt fit in to GMs business model of globalisation
GM's 'business model' has seen them go bust several times. Bailed out by huge US tax funded bailouts. GMH (and Ford) was just another subsidiary, milked for decades, selling shit cars. Every so often they got it right. But they were always lower build quality.
If you think about GM 's all electric future , Gm wouldn't need outposts, maybe this is the reason for Holden & Opels demise.
the last car rolled off the line on the 17, not the 20th, the rest was for the cameras, on the 20th, it even reads that on the last vf redline, on a sign on top of the car, by the 20th, they were already pulling the place apart,
Oh BTW, in Australia we spell it LITRES, not LITERS.
Their success started way before the Commodore which at one point sent them bankrupt and being bailed out by the parent company.
A couple of points. The Australian Government of the day and the American / Japanese car manufacturers thought the Transpacific Partnership trade agreement was a done deal. The TPP protected car manufacturing jobs in Japan and the USA at the expense of Australian car manufacturing jobs.
The PM of the day refused to sponsor the Australian car manufacturing industry. His government supported the TPP and he was running around telling Australians that imported US and Japanese cars would be cheaper.. he lied. The LNP Federal government, Ford, General Motors and Toyota all thought the TTP was a done deal... until it wasn't.... But it was too late to do anything about the car manufacturer's decisions to leave.
Australia's population demographic changed. As more immigrants from Asia and mainland Europe settled in Australia, they were more familiar with the brands from their places of origin. In Asia, the Asians drove Asian built cars and considered German brands, like Mercedes, as luxury status symbols. That is why we never saw a lot of Asians in Australia driving around in a VE / VF V8 commodore.
As the Australian population increased, our capital cities became more congested. To some extent, smaller-sized cars that were more economical that were easier to park, and took up less space in the cities became more popular, especially as the price of fuel increased. The Aussie V8 in bump to bumper traffic chewed through 17+ litres of fuel stuck in traffic compared to 3 litres in a small compact that was much easier to find a parking space for.
Our geographic location meant export sales were challenging. Above us are overpopulated nations where the majority of people are impoverished and or haven't a pot to piss in. Our main exports were to New Zealand and South Africa until the South African government did a deal with German manufacturers to build car plants in South Africa to create jobs. The British limited Holden to importing 300 vehicles a year, which were sold as a Vauxhall. The Americans deliberately steered potential buyers away from imported Holdens, but some of the police forces, Hollywood, a few fans realised what a good car they were.
At the end, there are 1 million new cars a year being sold in Australia, split between several manufacturers. Marketing deals aside, the quality and safety of modern cars had reached a point where new cars where not a significant leap in features and technology, that justified the increased cost of a new vehicle. Many people stopped trading-in and upgrading their 2 year-old-car with low kilometres. There was not the same value for additional cost as in previous years.
Even today, there are plenty of last model Fords and Holdens still driving around, especially in the regional areas. If they are looked after mechanically, and even with a minor bit of upgrading, they are still a great, reliable car with practical safety features.
I think some of these modern cars with gearbox settings etc., have become too complex.... and I don't know if that complexity has translated into reliability. The one thing for certain is if one of these complex cars does breakdown on the side of the road... it is a tilt tray truck tow truck to the nearest mechanic. To an extent, that is true of the my VE and VF SSV manual sedans... but it is also not true.... I have fixed my VE a couple of times for minor issues on the side of the road.
Indians were flooded with them horrible but they luv the camry
@@Eric-kn4yn So Indians were flooded with Australian V8 cars? Strange... don't see a lot of them in traffic shots when watching videos about India... then again.. I don't watch a lot of videos on India.
In short, it is now illegal to mass manufacture vehicles in Australia. Within the Free Trade Agreement that the *Australian Government* signed off on is a condition that states Australia will jo longer mass manufacture vehicles. Holden, Ford, Toyota, Mitsubishi ALL ceased production due to this FTA. it had nothing to do with money.
good coverage. Nobody was going to save a manufacturing facility that ignored Commercial Vans, 4WDs, SUVs, all of which were growing (how is Toyota doing). These final cars were the best in class but simply an increasingly unwanted class. Read the market.
Inregards to the starfire chopping 2 cylinders off. Iv got a subaru h6 liberty. They did exact opposite to my engine they have 2 ltr 4 bangers ej20 as they call it and added 2 cylinders more into the flat 6 3litres great engine
sick video bro
I drove Taxis, lots of Commies then later Epicas. Later they went over to Hyundai....
Was the Commodore to replace the Torana and instead replaced the Kingwood and become the main car
Fuel crisis brought in smaller cars kept WB range sedan and utility...
@@gerardcrabb4556 The VB was introduced in the HZ line up, and ran with the HZ, hence the public thought at the time that is was replacing the Torana.
@@brianlove8413 Holden was working on Monza styled replacement for Kingswood that got scrapped when they went with Commodore and HZ continued longer they kept WB Statesman and Utility vehicles with updated styling...
You never mentioned the awful Starfire engine. A 6 cylinder engine that had 2 cylinders cut off. Was supposed to be the fuel efficient option but used more fuel as was underpowered and had to work harder than the 6 or 8. It was gutless rubbish
Info is a bit out of whack during the course of the video & not matching video & images for each model. I could go into more detail but I can't be bothered. Basically, you your research properly.
It was a mid size in a full size market. Then, with the VE, they produce a dual cab Ute & AWD station wagon instead of the X5 sized SUV which they had already prepared. They could’ve the mid size Torana showcar and drop the SportWagon. No, it was poor product that killed the Commodore. Don’t reckon you sell the line up in China as Buick’s?
Dead right, Crewman was a useless abomination , ford was on target with the territory. But holden product & marketing for anything other than dinkum commodores was crap.
You also skipped over the models with Nissan engines
Only one series had Nissan engines (VL) & the exchange rate with the Japanese Yen killed that deal.
@terrybebbington3032 the 3 litre was OK, better than the old Holden 6 cyl
I own both a 2008 Wm series I (VE Equivalent) HSV Grange and a 2013 VF Series I SV6 sportswagon both brilliant cars that im proud to own and drive even compared to BMW and Mercedes ive driven i still feel like our locally built cars were the most honest reliable and engaging cars to drive. The Sv6 has 220,000km on it with minimal repairs jait maintnenance, still yet to replace the 4 disc rotors despite being on my second set of brake pads. I travel East to West daily in Melbourne and regularly get 8 to 9 litres per hundred km in her despite a range of traffic conditions. At her worst in severe traffic ive managed 12 litre per hundred km. My dilemma is getting rid of the car for something thats more expensive to purchase new despite being maybe more fuel efficient. Doing the sums even going to a new Hybrid Camry or Corolla i suspect there might be a 10 year payback period.
Working in IT the wagon earns its keep regularly hauling servers and other bulky equipment so downsizing is also a challenge for me. Lastly both cars are a time capsule of memories of my late mother who was a petrolhead to the core and loved all things Holden. Guess im stuck driving these until im an old man (46 currently)😂
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I would be keeping them mate
I am 60... never got over my lead foot from my motorbike days... Own a VE SS manual sedan I purchased 2nd hand in Western Australia with 44,000 on the clock back in 2010. Had it lowered... and still got it... just cracked 185 000 on it.
Two years ago... purchased a 2nd hand VF series 1 SSV Redline manual sedan. Took it to a performance shop on the Gold Coast and had it modestly upgraded.
Paid 46.5 with 65k on the clock. Ended up costing me 75 by the time I got it registered in NSW and improved. Just cracked 75,000 on it.
Recently, put a tracker in and getting an immobiliser fitted next week. Then, looking at a tilt sensor.
When I was looking around, I could not see myself in anything other than a Bugatti Veyron or Lambo... had to make a compromise. The Australian VE and VF were built for Australia... Great cars.
Remake the LX hatch in modern tech? Watch it run out the door?🤑
Yeah.....I hope the dude has those receipt books ready.....
$250,000 a piece ?
GenX would only want the original.
Later generations have no interest or knowledge in Toranas.........and can't pay those prices anyway.
This dude(Drive South), can build em........but nobody will buy them.
@ who knows ? It’s a nice thought though?
@@StevenMilne-sm4fk
Yeah nah........they belong in the era they were created in. Why sully their legacy with fakes?
If this guy wants to bring back a miniature form of local manufacturing, then why not do it with a fresh design with his DNA on it, rather than copies of fifty year old classics?
I'm surprised GM is even allowing it without dragging him thru the legal system.
Holden like Ford were stuck in 1960 when a family Car was a 6 cylinder 4 door Sedan . A Blind Man could see where Australia was headed , a family Car was now a 4 cylinder Suv , plain and simple . Small Economy Cars have been available in Australia since WW2 , Morris , VW , Hillman , Triump and a million Escorts , Cortinas and Toyota and Datsuns . People who buy small Cars have always bought small Cars . Families who were the Lifeblood of Holden and Ford stopped buying them . That's what killed both of them . Their racing record doesn't mean anything to a non enthusiast who is just looking for a Car for the Family and Holden and Ford weren't even on the shopping list .
I disagree. Holden's demise had nothing to do with them still building large cars, while market trended towards SUVs & smaller cars. This is myth often pushed by the media. Holden was building the best GM RWD cars in the world at the time & we were exporting around half of them. The VE series (2006-2013) was the best selling series in Holden's history. The local Commodore was always one of the top 3 best selling cars in Australia until the day it ceased production in 20177. It was GM in Detroit (Head Office) which took away our export markets & drained Holden of their cash reserves (they had been making good profits at the time). If we still had our export markets Holden would be still building proper cars in Australia today, dependent of the unions of course.
I like my Aussie cars but we don need to know about the production bullshit. Live with it guys.
It sucks.
Your getting of track why they aren't here anymore.
PS: VY and VZ were garbage compared to BA and BF Falcon. FACT.
Not really showing any bias here are we...Ford "killed their sales with the AU and from there Ford played catch up to the Commodore and by the time you got to BF Series Two it was well behind the new VE Commodore which quite simply outclassed the Falcon...
My VU SS Ute is still going strong after 24 years. And having driven Fords and Holdens all my life, I will say IMO that overall, I have had a better driving experience and reliability from the Holdens. Fords were good, but the Holden always edged the Ford out.
You don't know what FACT means obviously.
@@Steve_jones113 It's your fact, not everyone's else's fact. It is your opinion, not a fact.
have you seen the interior on a ba or bf ford good lord
A lot of visual and narrated mistakes here. Mr AI.
Too many cheap imports should have integrated Opel range sooner instead of Daewoo and provide better quality RHD Cadillac as premium range even if converted by Walkinshaw... Insignia should have been mid spec Cadillac GMSV branded to replace HSV...
Bloody terrible mate...
They were poorly made, out of date cars, hoovering up our money into executive bonuses in the US...
This is a load of bullshit. FFS
Nope no sub. All say what good . No thanks