Hey man, I'm a big fan of your work, please keep it up. One area where I think you might be wrong is the origin of Euron's name. I'm pretty sure it is a reference to Euronymous. He is a listed demon from Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible, which refers to an older, obscure character from Greek mythology named Eurynomos. Pausanius writes in a description of a painting depicting the various denizens of Hades: "He is of a colour between blue and black, like that of meat flies; he is showing his teeth and is seated, and under him is spread a vulture’s skin." Pausanius states that Eurynomos' function is that he "eats off all the flesh of the corpses, leaving only their bones." Side note that I don't think GRRM is referencing, but the name "Euronymous" was also the stage name for the guitarist from the Norwegian black metal band Mayhem (probably also drawing from LaVey's Satanic Bible, as he was a professed Satanist), who used his friend and lead singer's post-suicide corpse for an album cover and was later murdered by a colleague from the same toxic scene. Because of the intense corpse association with this name, I am pretty sure that Euron is the corpse on the prow of the ship smiling that Dany sees in her House of the Undying vision. Anyway, this is a point I've been trying to spread around for a while, if you think it seems valid, please spread the good word. Either way, I look forward to your future content!
Hey Ryan! That's a great find, and seems quite apt - blue black, rotten and corrupt, eating the dead like a crow... checks out, as they say! Thing is, it doesn't conflict with the Europa idea at all, in fact Martin excels and finding things like this he can draw together. The Europa connection is undeniable; George literally wrote the moon to have Euron's face, and the idea of Europa as an ice moon is important too. However, since George is thinking about moon calamities bringing on a long night and apocalyptic figures who are compared to moons and suns and bring about celestial cataclysm... it's likely he figured out a clever way to weave the idea of an ice moon and this dastardly Euronymous fellow together, and presto, we have Euron. Definitely wish I had known before making the video, I would have included it. But I can talk about it next livestream, for sure! Hat tip coming sir, this is a really good find :)
@@DavidLightbringer Thanks for the kind words, and your general contribution of positivity to the fandom. For sure, GRRM excels at symbolic overlap, so the Europa idea could certainly still be in play, though the mythological figure for whom the icy moon is named probably not so much.
Alt Shift X also did a great video on how Euron might be a sort of failed student of Bloodraven. When he talks to Victarion about having a dream as a boy that he could fly, it sounds eerily similar to what Bran experienced. Maybe Bloodraven contacted Euron the same way initially seeing the magical potential in him, but realized how dangerous and unhinged he was. Consequently, this might’ve been the origin for Euron’s obsession with magic and godhood. There’d be a neat sense of Shakespearean tragedy to that, in that in attempting to stop the Long Night, Bloodraven unintentionally sets it in motion.
I think it's 100% there's an ominous line in the first book where bran during the flying scene says he sees thousands of others who are impaled who failed to fly. There is a sense bloodraven has been trying this for a long time and Euron could be a failure that stirred something twisted in him.
I think it’s funny how in the show, Sam was in Oldtown and pretty much nothing interesting happened but in the books, we’re about to see a huge, esoteric battle for the Hightower.
The show didn't show the family of the Hightowers. In one part Feast For OF Crows. They show Sam steal a key to get the books that were lock up. Pate did that to gave the key to Jaqen.
I have no idea how this isn’t the most popular asoiaf channel. No one else gets to this level of depth. You read the books with the attention to detail of a religious scholar.
What the show did to Euron would be like if Marvel made an Iron Man movie and only made him a billionaire. Leaving out anything to do with his Iron Man suit.
I friggin love how many layers this series has. The parallels, real world, timeline, prophetic, all the little details to pick out. How it all puzzle pieces together so beautifully. No wonder its taken a lifetime to write this masterpiece.
The Euron chapters are probably the ones I'll be scared to read the most. It's obviously leading up to something big and extremely sinister, even relative to the things we've seen so far from the previous novels. Thank you for streamlining your really interesting theories into these condensed and focused videos! It's been fun listening to your videos! Keep it up man!
It's cool that a series that has been around for so long can still give people an "oh shit!"-moment after all this time. GRRM was clever to slowly introduce magic into the books.
In the board game for "Game of Thrones" there are an insane amount of parallels for how events turn out between book and show. Every time the Wildling deck is player (a threat which grows in strength as time progresses), house must bid power tokens in order to beat them back. In the event they don't, all houses suffer. I am incredibly certain that the next book will have House Greyjoy creating an alliance with House Lannister. It is logistically a very intelligent move as it mutually benefits both parties the most in comparison to all other houses. And houses must forge alliances as a means of keeping their resources growing and/or residual. I don't know anything about a Night Queen, but this alliance is something I can put my money on.
Cersei is going to be deposed by fAegon. Plus she's totally incompetent and a total moron, and everyone sees just how stupid she is. Euron will not associate with such an inferior person. The only thing Cersei is good for is a finger up her bum
I want Euron to be the valonqar who will choke Cersei to death. He fits the prophecy well. He's a younger brother (Balon's younger brother to be exact), valonqar is a Valyrian word and Euron has been to Valyria, Cersei lost her tongue in one of her nightmares when she recalled her visit to Maggy and Euron is cutting people's tongues off all the time.
In the vision Euron gives to the damp hair with shade of the evening, he sees almost every god impaled on the iron throne... many foreign ones that he hardly recognizes. What we don’t see is a weirwood tree. Implying they don’t want to harm the weirwood net at minimum.
Could be, it’s been a while since I’d read that part. If I recall that’s during the scene where the 2 dwarfs are wrestling in front of the squid/shadow women. To me that sounds like they set up civil war and Westeros will burn/bleed while they laugh. The other part seems to be the gods of men being symbolically killed. I’ll have to reread that part.
Perhaps the throne is the weirwood tree. We've seen trees as throwns before, there's direct symbolism between swords and the weirwoods, as a lightbringer symbol. All the gods impaled upon the blades of the one true god. The many faced god. Death.
@@vurtigoneiii275 interesting idea, that would still make the vision the children of the forest killing of the gods of mankind. I’m pretty sure the 7, including the stranger are impaled tho. Seems more like a victim in this vision.
There was the idea, wasn't there, that the original Night's Queen is beneath the crypts of Winterfell, that she may be who the old Starks are guarding with their iron swords, that the guardian magic may have been disrupted by the first female Stark being entombed in the crypts (Lyanna), etc. So the vision of Euron's tall lady friend may be literally the original Night's Queen rather than any current character like Dany etc, or may be alive again through such a character just as Euron may be priming himself to be taken over by Azor Ahai. I'm sure you've probably covered this idea somewhere but thought I'd mention it.
Female Starks are always entombed on the crypts, as are the rest of the Starks, the only thing different about Lyanna was the sculpture. Those are traditionally only for kings/lords of winterfell, but Ned loved her too much and had to make a sculpture of her face to be able to see her face again. If you remember, one of the early chapters of the Stark kids has Bran (maybe Jon? I can’t tell for sure now) remembering a prank pulled by Rob and Jon at the cripts, the children went to visit their future tombs (including the girls'), and Jon appeared covered in flour and made Rickon cry, Aria kicks him for it. But anyway, every Stark meets his tomb on the crypts, male or female, the only difference with Lyanna was the sculpture!!!
@@claire3614 Hey, yes you're right! It's Arya's fourth chapter in AGoT: 'Robb took them all the way down to the end, past Grandfather and Brandon and Lyanna, to show them their own tombs.' Thanks for that.
@@salpimienta2961 but that theory could still be true, they repeat the saying "there has to be a Stark at winterfell, always" and make it super ominous and almost makes you feel like if they weren't Starks at winterfell, something very bad could happen. So who knows, maybe that big bal wolf is the original Night's Queen
@@christopherneil8702 My theory/ prediction In primordial time or the beginning were only two god's Rhllor and the Other.Rhllor was male and so later reflected three aspects of the 7 Father, Warrior and Smith, the Other is female reflecting 3 aspects of Mother ,Maid and Crone finally the Stranger unifies their eternal combat to the death as the personification of death. Both these god's hate each other and particularly the "sex' of the humans personifying that God.Azor Ahai is the reincarnation of Rhllor but in order to come to earth he only possesses the one who kill the most important woman in his life ,that is why the dark emperor did that as the first reincarnation of Azor Ahai. The female other not to be outdone chose one of the kings of the North to beguile and steal his soul so as to birth the abominations the undead white walkers. Rhllor the God of fire, under whose purview are dragons and dragonglass is the only one the Other's creations is vulnerable to. Notice the following clues Caster sacrifices his sons to be whitewalkers and there is never mention of female 'whytes' Also would explain why the private parts of eunuchs like Varus are used in black magic rituals. Now to the interesting part I feel in broad strokes GRRM did indeed give the Game of Thrones writers the ending he envisaged with Jon being Azor Ahai but the woman that he will kill to banish the Other back into the darkness will not be Daenarys but his own sister Arya! The clues are as follows , not only do I think Arya is on irredeemable path serving the god of death but a child of the Forrest in Storm of Swords was scared of her prophecying that Arya has either darkness about her and will be the bane of the world in the future. Also notice Araya in all her killings despite mentioning Cersei(not that the other really cares about women) has never to my knowledge killed a woman even though she serves the many faces god ,all her victims are male.I believe when she learns shadowbinding she will be possessed by the dark goddess the other, even though now it is likely the other is guiding Euron to destroy the world.The image of a dark female shadow next to Euron in the 'Forsaken' chapter is this very being.
I think the pale fire woman is Malora Hightower, because she has the arcane knowledge Euron needs----Crow's Eye doesn't strike me as big on the book learnin'. I think they may even sacrifice her dad in a horrific eldritch ritual at the top of the Hightower itself. However, I think Euron will be use her, then move on to Cersei or Dany.
I respectfully desigree on the "not big on book learnin' " I, on the contrary, believe Euron to be quite the scholar. His obvious traits don't paint him as a bookworm but clearly as a rash and arrogant man of action, granted, but I think it's missleading, I think he is very patient and very calculating. But I could be wrong of course x) On the identity of the pale woman, I never thought about it but I love the Viseryon explaination !
Kind of how he treated that Reach-family, killing the father and taking advantage of the daughter. The Hightowers are a bit weird in their own right though, they might have a trick up their sleeves to make Euron drag his feet on putting them to the torch. Hell, they might even be allies for all I know.
A shadow women with hands of white fire sounds like quaithe. She’s a shadow binder with a glass candle at hand. Glass candles use the stars like satellites. Stars are white fire. White fire in the shadow binders hand.
But how would quaithe physically get to Westeros and Euron, and spend long enough with him for him to take him as his rock wife, as his queen. Plus quaithe is clearly siding with dany, and hasn’t appeared to any other character in the story in dreams, so I believe that she will only ever appear to dany. Nice idea though, quaithe certainly does match some symbolism
Jasper Furniss thanks, tho quaithe doesn’t need to physically do anything to work with Euron, since he too likely has a glass candle. And was visited by the crow. And has shade of the evening. Why does she need to be his rock wife to fulfill a prophecy? And quaithe isn’t clearly doing anything. She’s been trying to get Dany to “wake the dragon” since book 1. That means literally bringing fire and blood to Westeros. She’s trying to convince Dany that diplomacy/asking yields starvation, plague and betrayal. Dany isn’t going to play the game of thrones when she gets back, she’s too strong by that point( and Likely influenced by the crows eye)
Austin Royce the fact that the figure is ‘queen’ suggests a more long term relationship than falia flowers, let’s say, or dany. And quaithe seems to be on team dany burning others, that’s what she means by wake the dragon, and that won’t mean teaming up with Euron who is, as lml concluded, a king of the others
Jasper Furniss well if quaithe is working with Euron then she would be a nights queen figure, which doesn’t require a throne so much as it requires her to support the new “bloodstone emperor”. (Nights queen/shadow binder/shadow women). As for euron being the big bad, I feel that’s close but not the full truth. Euron seems to be the main tool of the other, hence his needing to make a son “worthy of him”. Similar to when Mel see’s Bran and BR in the flames, it’s “his” visage would be much worse. It’s heavily implied that their is something/someone who’s being served/fought against. The 3 eyed crow and BR don’t seem to be the same person. Doesn’t fit at all far as I’m concerned.
The idea Euron cannot control what he summons sounds cool. When magic is used it usually gets batshit crazy in these books even when you are not sacrificing your pregnant wifey. Kings blood, priest blood, fire magic, ice magic dude is throwing everything at the universe.
What if Euron ends up creating a new others in place of the old ones and that's what causes the next apocalypse. Like Jon and dany end up defeating the ice others only to have to fight water others? Maybe the dragon and the kraken joining leads to the seas boiling every ten years instead of the land freezing.
“Opening too many doors” and “leaving the door open” have fantastic imagery. Common phrases that typically imply opening yourself up to enlightenment or future prosperity. However, leaving it open too long can or even opening the wrong door can lead to negative unintended consequences. This enlightenment and the externalities it generates is essentially Eurons ladder to power at whatever cost to his own sanity. We saw with Dany that drogon essentially serves as a safety valve while she gains her own enlightenment at the hotu. In that same light, how will a dragon serve euron’s goal? Does he need a safety valve to limit the shades let loose as he opens doors, a source of power to control these shades, or is there some other purpose? Great work as always brotha!
Been reading the Dragon Bone Chair series, Conan, and Elric of Melniboné because of LML and Grey Area. It's fascinating to really understand the world building influences alongside of the more traditional mythical symbolism. Just waiting for a double hilted Valyrian steel sword to show up at this point. We've definitely got eternal hero/the four who are one references all over the place. I was shocked to find out that Yi-Ti and many other mysterious places in the world of Ice and Fire are directly lifted from Conan. Sure it's a little jeuvenile, but if you're dying to explore the mysterious places on planetos Conan will give you a quick fix while waiting for winter to arrive.
@@catherinehalverson1436 I was sotired of waiting for the french translation of the Last King of Osten Ard that I finaly bought it in englsih back in march, I gotta tell you, it got me through lockdown, awesome series
I truly believe that a big reason why WoW is taking so long is bc of this entire magical/apocolypse story line that has to be insanly hard to weave together as an author. The political storyline aside, can you imagine trying to put all of this together in a seamless way?
You answered many questions I’ve wondered on.. Euron wants to play “Hide the Kraken” with Dany... He may try to throw down the white walker leader(king). He is thinking that he has killed all the other Gods so why not the Great Other. Except he will be killed and turned into a WW Wight. Euron could solve their water problem by shipping wights south past the wall so they may gather and attack the north. Glad to see your still collabing with Ba’al. Mads Mikkelson would be a great Euron. Artwork and animations are fantastic!!
I feel like Dany is his first choice, but when that doesn’t work out, Cersei will present herself (post being Shanghai’d back to Casterly Rock for a time.) Granted, I haven’t given this much thought. These two videos are some of your best yet. Loving the icy / othery superimpositions and cross- fades, plus the icy color work
Thanks! Yes I’m curious to see how the Dany / Euron / Cersei dynamics play out. I’m dying to know where and when Euron makes contact with Dany - my guess is Oldtown. I don’t think Euron is coming to Slavers Bay
Im not sure what Euron would get out of shacking up with Cersei. At this point she's almost powerless and has no great skill or magic to add to the equation.
Another great video! Ever since you talked about the use of the word others I’ve been looking for it as I read and one that stands out for me is in the beginning of a game of thrones when the dire wolf pups are found. When Jon finds ghost he says “he must have crawled away from the others” 🧐
Just wanted to comment that you are definitely right by saying magic is magic in Planetos...I found this to be true thanks to the Dance of the Dragons. When Daemon Targaryen fights Aemond One Eye (god, both amazing characters) at the God's Eye, Aemond tells that his pregnant lady Alys Rivers can see him him a storm cloud, a mountain pool, and their cookfire, implying that she can use different mediums to achieve the same results. (Full disclosure: I'm a big fan of Preston Jacobs and I think telepathy and telekinesis are much of the real "magic" and telepaths should definitely be able to exercise control over different elements.) P.S. love the creepy music and Monty Python references
I've had this image in my mind for ages of Euron blowing the horn of Joramun atop the apex of the hightower and the Wall falling in the North shortly after. If he successfully takes Oldtown and captures Sam as I think he might then the likelihood of this is quite high I think. If Layton Hightower and Malora fall under his power as well, it could be through them that Euron learns what the horn of Joramun really is.
So while watching this i had a thought but have no basis to expand. What if Euron gets Maester Aemons body and uses blood magic. Idk to what end and couldn't begin to speculate BUT I know a guy who could. Lol great work as usual LML. Euron is probably my favorite character in ASOIAF and I really enjoyed the deep dive.
Speaking of "others", there are signs on the back of the doors in my work's toilets that say "Please be mindful of Others", and I have to suppress a cackle every time I read that. P.S. I love your actual theory videos so much. Should make more of them ☄
In the books we haven't seen the Others raise the dead on screen yet. And I wonder if the drowned men's ritual, Patchface, as well as Berric and Stone Heart's resurrections points to that the Others also have to give the corpse a kiss! So they can blow their icy breath into them...
So the Urrathon thing is interesting but is it really a canon theory yet? R + L = J is cannon theory, Sam's horn being THE horn of winter is canon theory. I dont think Euron = Urrathon is that yet. But like what percentage? 50/50? 90/10? Really just throwing out the comment for your algorithm. Thanks for the great vids and 4:20 livestreams
Euron is one of my favorite villains. He is so cavalier about the horrific things he has done and plans to do. I read something that basically said no one alive thinks they are the villain. Our minds don’t let us. And I think euron embodies that.
That is so fucking stupid. Euron knows he is evil as shit; he literally admits it. They know right from wrong; they simply don't care. The notion that 'villains' think they are the good guys is such a childish notion, and the concept masquerades as 'deep conceptual story telling' when it is, in actuality, extremely childish. A child doesn't know right from wrong; a child thinks they may be doing good when, in fact, they are doing wrong. A villain thinking they are good is just a child. What I don't get is why modern adults think a villain thinking they are good is somehow compelling storytelling
Man, I'm really enjoying this, but I think I'll be needing a rewatch tomorrow. You see, I seldom praise Garth and drink at the same time, but sometimes I do, and tonight is one of those nights. And yeah, Steve Buscemi-Euron are freaking me out. I just had to say it, it's been on my mind for a while now. Har! Love your content, LmL, keep up the good work! Ps. My only complaint would be not enough cartoon-Euron. Whether he's riding a dragon or appearing as a red comet, he just looks so chill. Edit: Aw, I got a heart, but it disappeared when I did an edit...
This is incredible content, LML! Thank you so much! I know you worked really hard on this and it bloody well shows! Fully enriching my asoiaf experience! You and Quinn, both!
Great content, as always. Thank you for bonus pervy Monty Python nuns thrown in for good measure. What is that super cool funky spooky music at the end of the video?
the funky bit at the very end is my version of the GoT theme with my cousin Jamie on keys and using a drum sample. The spooky music throughout my videos is all me and my bass guitar and effects pedals :)
Really fantastic. This was an amazing end to your Euron series. It was all laid out so smooth that it was so easy to follow the logic. I very much follow your train of thought for the possibility of the end. You sure made a comfy car for this brain train, glad I caught the ride.
@@DavidLightbringer it came out at the perfect moment as well. Helping the spawn "learn" core math when math is not my jam really got me through the lesson. Bluetooth headphones are a life saver.
Euron, to me, is the most interesting character in the series. What was Rodrik Harlaw reading when Euron told him he do well to keep his nose in his books? Was it the Book of Lost Books? I think there is a major clue in that exchange.
24:34 maybe Euron is going after the mysterious black stones. He already took the sea stone chair so now he seeks to destroy the Hightower (as its inspiration was the lighthouse of Alexandria) in to take the black stone beneath. Maybe Azor Ahai soul is trapped within these stones after his defeat and has tricked Euron into thinking using them would him a god, when in reality he plans to resurrect himself in the Crow eyes body?
I always considered the Hizdahr and Dany dream as a omen that Euron's reach is vast, perhaps even warging into Hizdahr or merely having Sandman powers over dreams
If in the shade dream Euron gave the damper was something he controlled maybe since he’s never seen Dany this is his hopeful representation of what he thinks she might be like. Which is why we can’t make the connection 100% as how he hopes Dany will be as his evil bride. As if he has used a glass candle to spy on Dany we haven’t seen it. Yet.. Ps: Thank your for all your amazing content!
First off, as always, I thoroughly enjoyed your work here both in content and presentation but I have to say, on a tangent, that throughout both this video and part one, every time we got the art depicting Euron using the visage of Mads Mikkelsen I couldn't help think how great he would have been in portraying the character. Furthermore, the transition around 24:55 when you mention, "this Night's King snatches Euron's body idea," reminded me of his portrayal of Hannibal and how he at times appears as a demonic antler-headed figure in that show, which admittedly has nothing to do with the topic of the video but is kinda cool nonetheless.
It's a year old so I doubt it matters, but you did encourage me to point out any medical inaccuracies. People's lips turn cyanotic (blue) because of oxygen deprivation; O2 in erythrocytes are what make us pink. People who freeze to death are often without lips entirely due to frostbite. If they are there, they are black.
OOH JOY! I've been waiting for this one! Part 1 was the tease! You analyses always seem to dig two layers deeper than even the best other ASOIAF theorists, so I've been dying to hear what you have to say about my favorite character!!!
I think you're right about the horn that Jon found at the Fist. I think it's an Other Binder just like Euron's Dragonbinder. That would make more sense to me than a horn that would literally crumble the wall, but we have seen plenty of horns as communication/binding tools. & maybe the Others have been capable of taking The Wall down all this time but have been waiting for a leader to sound the horn south of the barrier. Also the Fist has a similar magical barrier that even Ghost, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a parallel with sounding the horn outside the protected area
@@DavidLightbringer Comparing the horns is fun! Could dragonbinder take out whatever dragon person/greenseer is stuck in the weirwood net? This coming long night could be that remaining moon stone falling onto Westeros (maybe near the wall?) when the horn is blown on a dragon in Meereen .. symbolically pulling out the dragon locked in ice? Idk if that make sense lol It wouldn't be as catastrophic as the first long night but the only way to do that is with another falling moon and idk how Martin can pull off a world with no moon ending lol (StormsEnd is a spaceship that Dany will illuminate with dragonfire to sacrifice herself as a new moon SHH DON'T GIVE THE SECRET ENDING AWAY!)
I def think the fact that there is such a distinction between crows and ravens as symbols is kind of a hint that the 3 eyed crow is pretending to be bloodraven. Probably Euron, the crow who opened his third eye. And I think bran, being schooled by both will take on a fusion of the names and become the three eyed raven.
Could the Undying be the remains of a failed version, or simply the remains, of the Wood Walkers' parallel to the CotF's human greenseers? Both involve extended life and consumption/involvement of magical trees (shade of the evening & weirwood seeds). Though I don't know of any other connection between the Wood Walkers and Quarth.
yes absolutely. It's so hard to say what the shade trees *actually* are. Symbolism wise, it's easy to decode them, but what are they really? They could be literally altered weirwoods, or maybe the woodswalkers used those instead.
@LuciferMeansLightbringer Thanks for the Long Nights Watch name shout out. Idk if the patreon $ will come out since I missed the first but I'll send the 33$ in PayPal for when I get paid tomorrow, to make up for being laid off...I loved it!!! I was kinda in space and hears the tone and saw it right before it cut away
Hey LmL, Scorpiax here. Another awesome video! More and more I watch your videos and reread the texts, more I understand that Night’s King and Queen figures are destined to be reborn in our story. Euron and Cersei are future poor imitations or pretenders to these figures. Dany needs to go through the death and rebirth process to transfrom from fiery to icy maiden, which you showcase perfectly in your videos. She is the true Night’s Queen parallel that will emerge by the end, just as I think Jon will as Night’s King. After her death in Westeros, in order to “touch the light”, Dany will have to “pass beneath the shadow”. Probably in Asshai after her resurrection in Volantis by Benerro and Red Priests. To go through underworld journey and uncover “the truth” Quaithe was talking about. That “truth” is key to her transformation from Queen Daenerys Stormborn, Breaker of Chains, Mother of Dragons, etc. into Night’s Queen character. She will have to go back to south of Westeros, probably Dorne, to confirm her identity (“to go north, you must journey south”), wherever that “house with the red door with lemon tree outside the window” is. Once confirmed, she will prepare for her journey north of the Wall, reunite with exiled Jon Snow, become his wife, a mother to his children and “khaleesi” to another nomad tribe of wildlings and live out her days away from games and politics, in harsher climate of icy terrains, but happy and content for the first time in her life. Iron Throne was never her goal in life, she thought the throne will give her that sense of belonging and security, but that is not it. Her ultimate happy story destination is beyond the Wall with Jon, Ghost and the wildlings.
I really do love LML's analysis. This stuff has saved me during quarantine. I do wonder, though, if instead of a literal shower of moon meteors causing the long night, it's a metaphor for the Bloodstone Emperor using a blood sacrifice ritual to create the first dragons aka "lightbringer(s)". It is heavily suggested that dragons are an artificial, though still magical, creation. Perhaps this aspect of them is only being missattrubed to the Valyrian Freehold instead of the Great Empire of the Dawn. GRRM does use egg/moon metaphors throughout his work. And the sacrifice of Nissa Nissa/Amethyst Empresses to birth a dragon does parallel the deaths of the witch and Danny's family to hatch her dragon eggs. Only death can pay for life after all. Also, since GRRM has said the strange season's in ASOIAF have a magical cause, the introduction of so much fire magic into the world may have caused a natural and opposite reaction to counterbalance this new magical forced i.e. the Long Night. Or a third party may have actively sought out a source of cold magic to match the newly created dragons. Dragon Lords do tend to be the conquering types and, for example, the CotF have taken extreme magical actions when they fell threatened.
I got this video notification about 7 hours ago, and I waited 'till i got home, lit a fatty and crack open a bottle of wine before watching it. Idalia(my GF) is sleeping so... Let's the foreshadowing beging!
i promise im not asking anymore questions... lol i say that cause i just asked about euron and the fire of the gods type scenario in one of ur recent videos and sure enough u have thought about that 3 years before i finished the books. thats so cool i love your work thank you bro youve answered every question i can think of im sure at some point or aother before i think of it.
6:30 “The Other downed men gathered round and gave him a punch and a kiss to welcome him to the brotherhood.”. This def applies to Jon in ADWD. Jon believes he was “punched” by Bowen marsh when the mutiny happens. “He PUNCHED Jon in the belly. When he pulled his hand away, the dagger stayed where he had buried it.” That’s the punch part of the other transformation. The kiss part could come from Melisandre doing the last kiss resurrection. This is interesting for Jon since he’d be revived by fire magic while all the others get revived by ice magic. I feel there’s more symbolism and foreshadowing to interpret from this line of thinking. Just some food for thought if you’d like to entertain it.
Dany is "trapped" in Mereen and even marries one of the slave masters to try to fit in. Could that be a forshadow for Dany beeing trapped by the Others for a time, like a Night's Queen? Marrying Euron perhaps? And then breake free and burn them all? Yes! I think so.
I am a cannabis smoking skeptic, being skeptical of the symbolism in the word other. As I'm scratching my head thinking about this, you shot down my current skeptical misgivings. In fact every time I start to think you might be an even bigger pot smoking crackpot than I, you see me through the smoke to the other side.
I'm surprised you didn't note that Shade of the Evening is made from the strange trees at the House of the Undying that is like a Weirwood, but inverted colors.
Ravens and Crows are cousins. Crows eat the dead and Ravens are bigger. GRRM said there a difference between the two. In the show the Night's King have the sigil of Crow Skull. I think there are two influence on Bran, Bran call BloodRaven the Three Eye Crow. No he Blood Raven who once the crow commander. The (three eyes crow) might be Euron.
Well just have to see who is messing with who out there on the astral plane huh.. I really think there’s some sort of older entity waiting to manifest in the world
I’ve been jonesing for my next symbolism fix! Have you noticed the reference to night-walkers in the Asshai by the Shadow chapter of TWOIAF? Could it be a breadcrumb?
Awesome video as always, LML. I'm intrigued by the idea of Euron replicating Weymar Royce's actions in confronting the others. I guess his valyrian steel armor could be his crowning glory cloak...
I'm 99% sure that the "bittersweet ending" to the song that we have been promised will have one grand subversion of expectations, or twist. Now I know it might be a little too easy to puzzle out for GRRM to just be like "surprise the whitewalkers were the good guys the whole time" but I think it will be a part of that. The entire song we've been sung has been from p.o.v. of character's who have biases and are wrong about things quite oft'. Everyone thinks the others are the enemy because that's what they grew up being told. Much like the free folk, who are believed by most to be subhuman savages, yet wiser characters like the Halfhand know that they are men just like northman. I put a lot of stock in the children being the real enemy and possibly Bloodraven not being the 3 eyed crow but the Great Other. I do believe that Euron is set to be the ultimate HUMAN antagonist, a perfect crescendo of villainy following Jeoff and Ramsay, but I don't see him achieving the god status he seeks. I could be and probably am wrong but as always amazing work lml. I tip my cap to your analysis and depth of knowledge.
counterpoint: the word "other" is otherwise common in English. also: Kings only need Queens for the sake of the Realm after they die, to ensure the lineage is in reactionary hands. If you are immortal, you are not planning for any successor, and any Queen will only produce The Competition for the job you fought to get.
What if there are multiple god powers that can be accessed throughout planetos? The one that leads the others is one that can be accessed by a mortal with the right bloodline or something.. maybe that’s why there are so many “Odin figures” in the books.. maybe it means they have the ability to access this or something.. anyways, the gray king and the krakens, night king and the others, the stallion that mounts the world.. maybe that’s why there’s so many different long night tales.. maybe it’s the way different blood lines can harness the lord of lights power and the Great Other, and it manifests in different ways, maybe this story will have multiple “god like powers accessed at the same time. Euron and the kraken, Jon snow and the others, Danny and the dragons ( the vision at 1402 showing her eye getting sucked on, accessing the god-like power).. Just with so many knights king figures happening at the same time.. and maybe Euron found a way to access multiple ones.. maybe he’ll master, the others, the kraken, and dragons and more to be the god on earth emperor again if he can master multiples. Bran and the 3eyed crow is another. The old gods, the new gods.. idk. For twenty was intense, before I wrote this..
I’m still fairly convinced that Jamie and Cersei are the Mad King’s kids, and that “white fire” is somehow a reference to Cersei being a Targaryen bastard
Hey man, I'm a big fan of your work, please keep it up. One area where I think you might be wrong is the origin of Euron's name. I'm pretty sure it is a reference to Euronymous. He is a listed demon from Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible, which refers to an older, obscure character from Greek mythology named Eurynomos. Pausanius writes in a description of a painting depicting the various denizens of Hades: "He is of a colour between blue and black, like that of meat flies; he is showing his teeth and is seated, and under him is spread a vulture’s skin." Pausanius states that Eurynomos' function is that he "eats off all the flesh of the corpses, leaving only their bones."
Side note that I don't think GRRM is referencing, but the name "Euronymous" was also the stage name for the guitarist from the Norwegian black metal band Mayhem (probably also drawing from LaVey's Satanic Bible, as he was a professed Satanist), who used his friend and lead singer's post-suicide corpse for an album cover and was later murdered by a colleague from the same toxic scene.
Because of the intense corpse association with this name, I am pretty sure that Euron is the corpse on the prow of the ship smiling that Dany sees in her House of the Undying vision.
Anyway, this is a point I've been trying to spread around for a while, if you think it seems valid, please spread the good word. Either way, I look forward to your future content!
Hey Ryan! That's a great find, and seems quite apt - blue black, rotten and corrupt, eating the dead like a crow... checks out, as they say! Thing is, it doesn't conflict with the Europa idea at all, in fact Martin excels and finding things like this he can draw together. The Europa connection is undeniable; George literally wrote the moon to have Euron's face, and the idea of Europa as an ice moon is important too. However, since George is thinking about moon calamities bringing on a long night and apocalyptic figures who are compared to moons and suns and bring about celestial cataclysm... it's likely he figured out a clever way to weave the idea of an ice moon and this dastardly Euronymous fellow together, and presto, we have Euron.
Definitely wish I had known before making the video, I would have included it. But I can talk about it next livestream, for sure! Hat tip coming sir, this is a really good find :)
i read all of that in LMLs voice, loved it!
The more important question is, does LmL like Black Metal? The Filosofem Album by the infamous colleague is quite transcendental in its nature.
@@DavidLightbringer Thanks for the kind words, and your general contribution of positivity to the fandom. For sure, GRRM excels at symbolic overlap, so the Europa idea could certainly still be in play, though the mythological figure for whom the icy moon is named probably not so much.
And the artist Hieronymus Bosch with his depictions of hell with deamons, walking dead and charnel pits.
"You've seen a ship with black sails that is crewed by the damned and captained by a man so evil that Hell itself spat him back out."
*nods* No.
Alt Shift X also did a great video on how Euron might be a sort of failed student of Bloodraven. When he talks to Victarion about having a dream as a boy that he could fly, it sounds eerily similar to what Bran experienced. Maybe Bloodraven contacted Euron the same way initially seeing the magical potential in him, but realized how dangerous and unhinged he was. Consequently, this might’ve been the origin for Euron’s obsession with magic and godhood. There’d be a neat sense of Shakespearean tragedy to that, in that in attempting to stop the Long Night, Bloodraven unintentionally sets it in motion.
100%, the more I think about it the more it seems true.
This is already a Canon theory, just like R + L = J and fAegon being a Blackfyre!
I think it's 100% there's an ominous line in the first book where bran during the flying scene says he sees thousands of others who are impaled who failed to fly. There is a sense bloodraven has been trying this for a long time and Euron could be a failure that stirred something twisted in him.
Brilliant!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je Don't forget the other canon theory, which is a finger up the bum
I think it’s funny how in the show, Sam was in Oldtown and pretty much nothing interesting happened but in the books, we’re about to see a huge, esoteric battle for the Hightower.
The show didn't show the family of the Hightowers. In one part Feast For OF Crows. They show Sam steal a key to get the books that were lock up. Pate did that to gave the key to Jaqen.
@@bvici22 doubtful
@@bvici22 I’m referring to the fact grrm said he’s not going to finish the book practically because he doesn’t know we’re to go with it.
@@bvici22 The dude just made that up
@@bvici22 Sam is going to defeat Euron by shoving his finger up his bum; it is known
I have no idea how this isn’t the most popular asoiaf channel. No one else gets to this level of depth. You read the books with the attention to detail of a religious scholar.
What the show did to Euron would be like if Marvel made an Iron Man movie and only made him a billionaire. Leaving out anything to do with his Iron Man suit.
And also made Tony Stark shove his finger up the bum of that journalist girl
I friggin love how many layers this series has. The parallels, real world, timeline, prophetic, all the little details to pick out. How it all puzzle pieces together so beautifully.
No wonder its taken a lifetime to write this masterpiece.
For sure, the level of intention and synthesis here is masterful
The Euron chapters are probably the ones I'll be scared to read the most. It's obviously leading up to something big and extremely sinister, even relative to the things we've seen so far from the previous novels. Thank you for streamlining your really interesting theories into these condensed and focused videos! It's been fun listening to your videos! Keep it up man!
It's cool that a series that has been around for so long can still give people an "oh shit!"-moment after all this time. GRRM was clever to slowly introduce magic into the books.
The Aeron preview chapter of TWOW was tough, no question
George is pulling a fast one on us, and all Euron's chapters are leading to is a finger in the bum
I cant wait for the Euron chapters. The end is nigh
Same, he's the shit!
IS IT?
~ longshanks...
Lol...gods I hope so.
I'm R'lyeh looking forward to this.
We're still waiting, hopefully soon...
I like the idea of Cersei becoming Euron’s night’s queen. She seems willing to do whatever is necessary to gain power and control.
Wait, so D&D were on point with the seasons 7 and 8 plot?
Bruh…
@@MadIvano Absolutely not. I just think that theory is in line with Cersei’s character.
In the board game for "Game of Thrones" there are an insane amount of parallels for how events turn out between book and show. Every time the Wildling deck is player (a threat which grows in strength as time progresses), house must bid power tokens in order to beat them back. In the event they don't, all houses suffer.
I am incredibly certain that the next book will have House Greyjoy creating an alliance with House Lannister. It is logistically a very intelligent move as it mutually benefits both parties the most in comparison to all other houses. And houses must forge alliances as a means of keeping their resources growing and/or residual.
I don't know anything about a Night Queen, but this alliance is something I can put my money on.
Cersei is going to be deposed by fAegon. Plus she's totally incompetent and a total moron, and everyone sees just how stupid she is. Euron will not associate with such an inferior person. The only thing Cersei is good for is a finger up her bum
I want Euron to be the valonqar who will choke Cersei to death. He fits the prophecy well. He's a younger brother (Balon's younger brother to be exact), valonqar is a Valyrian word and Euron has been to Valyria, Cersei lost her tongue in one of her nightmares when she recalled her visit to Maggy and Euron is cutting people's tongues off all the time.
Euron is such a compelling character. Reading the forsaken character is like diving into a twisted horror show
Reading the forsaken chapter is like shoving a finger up the bum
In the vision Euron gives to the damp hair with shade of the evening, he sees almost every god impaled on the iron throne... many foreign ones that he hardly recognizes. What we don’t see is a weirwood tree. Implying they don’t want to harm the weirwood net at minimum.
Well there is that burning forest in the background...
Could be, it’s been a while since I’d read that part. If I recall that’s during the scene where the 2 dwarfs are wrestling in front of the squid/shadow women. To me that sounds like they set up civil war and Westeros will burn/bleed while they laugh. The other part seems to be the gods of men being symbolically killed. I’ll have to reread that part.
Perhaps the throne is the weirwood tree. We've seen trees as throwns before, there's direct symbolism between swords and the weirwoods, as a lightbringer symbol. All the gods impaled upon the blades of the one true god. The many faced god. Death.
@@vurtigoneiii275 interesting idea, that would still make the vision the children of the forest killing of the gods of mankind. I’m pretty sure the 7, including the stranger are impaled tho. Seems more like a victim in this vision.
@@alabaster275 good catch!
There was the idea, wasn't there, that the original Night's Queen is beneath the crypts of Winterfell, that she may be who the old Starks are guarding with their iron swords, that the guardian magic may have been disrupted by the first female Stark being entombed in the crypts (Lyanna), etc. So the vision of Euron's tall lady friend may be literally the original Night's Queen rather than any current character like Dany etc, or may be alive again through such a character just as Euron may be priming himself to be taken over by Azor Ahai. I'm sure you've probably covered this idea somewhere but thought I'd mention it.
Female Starks are always entombed on the crypts, as are the rest of the Starks, the only thing different about Lyanna was the sculpture. Those are traditionally only for kings/lords of winterfell, but Ned loved her too much and had to make a sculpture of her face to be able to see her face again.
If you remember, one of the early chapters of the Stark kids has Bran (maybe Jon? I can’t tell for sure now) remembering a prank pulled by Rob and Jon at the cripts, the children went to visit their future tombs (including the girls'), and Jon appeared covered in flour and made Rickon cry, Aria kicks him for it.
But anyway, every Stark meets his tomb on the crypts, male or female, the only difference with Lyanna was the sculpture!!!
@@claire3614 Hey, yes you're right! It's Arya's fourth chapter in AGoT: 'Robb took them all the way down to the end, past Grandfather and Brandon and Lyanna, to show them their own tombs.' Thanks for that.
@@salpimienta2961 but that theory could still be true, they repeat the saying "there has to be a Stark at winterfell, always" and make it super ominous and almost makes you feel like if they weren't Starks at winterfell, something very bad could happen. So who knows, maybe that big bal wolf is the original Night's Queen
@@christopherneil8702 My theory/ prediction
In primordial time or the beginning were only two god's Rhllor and the Other.Rhllor was male and so later reflected three aspects of the 7 Father, Warrior and Smith, the Other is female reflecting 3 aspects of Mother ,Maid and Crone finally the Stranger unifies their eternal combat to the death as the personification of death. Both these god's hate each other and particularly the "sex' of the humans personifying that God.Azor Ahai is the reincarnation of Rhllor but in order to come to earth he only possesses the one who kill the most important woman in his life ,that is why the dark emperor did that as the first reincarnation of Azor Ahai. The female other not to be outdone chose one of the kings of the North to beguile and steal his soul so as to birth the abominations the undead white walkers.
Rhllor the God of fire, under whose purview are dragons and dragonglass is the only one the Other's creations is vulnerable to.
Notice the following clues Caster sacrifices his sons to be whitewalkers and there is never mention of female 'whytes'
Also would explain why the private parts of eunuchs like Varus are used in black magic rituals.
Now to the interesting part I feel in broad strokes GRRM did indeed give the Game of Thrones writers the ending he envisaged with Jon being Azor Ahai but the woman that he will kill to banish the Other back into the darkness will not be Daenarys but his own sister Arya! The clues are as follows , not only do I think Arya is on irredeemable path serving the god of death but a child of the Forrest in Storm of Swords was scared of her prophecying that Arya has either darkness about her and will be the bane of the world in the future.
Also notice Araya in all her killings despite mentioning Cersei(not that the other really cares about women) has never to my knowledge killed a woman even though she serves the many faces god ,all her victims are male.I believe when she learns shadowbinding she will be possessed by the dark goddess the other, even though now it is likely the other is guiding Euron to destroy the world.The image of a dark female shadow next to Euron in the 'Forsaken' chapter is this very being.
I think the pale fire woman is Malora Hightower, because she has the arcane knowledge Euron needs----Crow's Eye doesn't strike me as big on the book learnin'. I think they may even sacrifice her dad in a horrific eldritch ritual at the top of the Hightower itself. However, I think Euron will be use her, then move on to Cersei or Dany.
The only thing keeping me from agreeing that its Malora is that we know soooo little about her
I respectfully desigree on the "not big on book learnin' " I, on the contrary, believe Euron to be quite the scholar. His obvious traits don't paint him as a bookworm but clearly as a rash and arrogant man of action, granted, but I think it's missleading, I think he is very patient and very calculating. But I could be wrong of course x)
On the identity of the pale woman, I never thought about it but I love the Viseryon explaination !
@@uruk- good point
@@sabrinakrisb4672 that she called the mad maid.
Kind of how he treated that Reach-family, killing the father and taking advantage of the daughter. The Hightowers are a bit weird in their own right though, they might have a trick up their sleeves to make Euron drag his feet on putting them to the torch. Hell, they might even be allies for all I know.
A shadow women with hands of white fire sounds like quaithe. She’s a shadow binder with a glass candle at hand. Glass candles use the stars like satellites. Stars are white fire. White fire in the shadow binders hand.
But how would quaithe physically get to Westeros and Euron, and spend long enough with him for him to take him as his rock wife, as his queen. Plus quaithe is clearly siding with dany, and hasn’t appeared to any other character in the story in dreams, so I believe that she will only ever appear to dany. Nice idea though, quaithe certainly does match some symbolism
Jasper Furniss thanks, tho quaithe doesn’t need to physically do anything to work with Euron, since he too likely has a glass candle. And was visited by the crow. And has shade of the evening. Why does she need to be his rock wife to fulfill a prophecy? And quaithe isn’t clearly doing anything. She’s been trying to get Dany to “wake the dragon” since book 1. That means literally bringing fire and blood to Westeros. She’s trying to convince Dany that diplomacy/asking yields starvation, plague and betrayal. Dany isn’t going to play the game of thrones when she gets back, she’s too strong by that point( and Likely influenced by the crows eye)
Austin Royce the fact that the figure is ‘queen’ suggests a more long term relationship than falia flowers, let’s say, or dany. And quaithe seems to be on team dany burning others, that’s what she means by wake the dragon, and that won’t mean teaming up with Euron who is, as lml concluded, a king of the others
Jasper Furniss well if quaithe is working with Euron then she would be a nights queen figure, which doesn’t require a throne so much as it requires her to support the new “bloodstone emperor”. (Nights queen/shadow binder/shadow women). As for euron being the big bad, I feel that’s close but not the full truth. Euron seems to be the main tool of the other, hence his needing to make a son “worthy of him”. Similar to when Mel see’s Bran and BR in the flames, it’s “his” visage would be much worse. It’s heavily implied that their is something/someone who’s being served/fought against. The 3 eyed crow and BR don’t seem to be the same person. Doesn’t fit at all far as I’m concerned.
@@jasperfurniss1073 Quaithe might be still working with BloodRaven it rumor that she was Shiera Seasong.
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The idea Euron cannot control what he summons sounds cool. When magic is used it usually gets batshit crazy in these books even when you are not sacrificing your pregnant wifey. Kings blood, priest blood, fire magic, ice magic dude is throwing everything at the universe.
What if Euron ends up creating a new others in place of the old ones and that's what causes the next apocalypse. Like Jon and dany end up defeating the ice others only to have to fight water others? Maybe the dragon and the kraken joining leads to the seas boiling every ten years instead of the land freezing.
jesus thanks for the new horror to think of
Well now I have to drop everything and watch this.
“Opening too many doors” and “leaving the door open” have fantastic imagery. Common phrases that typically imply opening yourself up to enlightenment or future prosperity. However, leaving it open too long can or even opening the wrong door can lead to negative unintended consequences. This enlightenment and the externalities it generates is essentially Eurons ladder to power at whatever cost to his own sanity. We saw with Dany that drogon essentially serves as a safety valve while she gains her own enlightenment at the hotu. In that same light, how will a dragon serve euron’s goal? Does he need a safety valve to limit the shades let loose as he opens doors, a source of power to control these shades, or is there some other purpose?
Great work as always brotha!
Been reading the Dragon Bone Chair series, Conan, and Elric of Melniboné because of LML and Grey Area. It's fascinating to really understand the world building influences alongside of the more traditional mythical symbolism. Just waiting for a double hilted Valyrian steel sword to show up at this point. We've definitely got eternal hero/the four who are one references all over the place. I was shocked to find out that Yi-Ti and many other mysterious places in the world of Ice and Fire are directly lifted from Conan. Sure it's a little jeuvenile, but if you're dying to explore the mysterious places on planetos Conan will give you a quick fix while waiting for winter to arrive.
The Dragon Bone Chair
Totally love the Dragon Bone Chair! Definitely see its influence in ASOIAF. Might have to check Elric.
If you haven’t checked out the Last King of Osten Ard series, which is the sequel series to Memory Sorrow and Thorn - totally worth reading.
@@catherinehalverson1436 I was sotired of waiting for the french translation of the Last King of Osten Ard that I finaly bought it in englsih back in march, I gotta tell you, it got me through lockdown, awesome series
Carcosa Me too! And helped me recover emotionally from the season 8 debacle. 😆
Euron:
Someone: "Euron?"
Euron: "No."
That would be so cool.
I truly believe that a big reason why WoW is taking so long is bc of this entire magical/apocolypse story line that has to be insanly hard to weave together as an author. The political storyline aside, can you imagine trying to put all of this together in a seamless way?
It is taking so long because George got his finger stuck up his bum and he can't get it out
You answered many questions I’ve wondered on..
Euron wants to play “Hide the Kraken” with Dany...
He may try to throw down the white walker leader(king). He is thinking that he has killed all the other Gods so why not the Great Other. Except he will be killed and turned into a WW Wight. Euron could solve their water problem by shipping wights south past the wall so they may gather and attack the north.
Glad to see your still collabing with Ba’al.
Mads Mikkelson would be a great Euron.
Artwork and animations are fantastic!!
I feel like Dany is his first choice, but when that doesn’t work out, Cersei will present herself (post being Shanghai’d back to Casterly Rock for a time.) Granted, I haven’t given this much thought. These two videos are some of your best yet. Loving the icy / othery superimpositions and cross- fades, plus the icy color work
Thanks! Yes I’m curious to see how the Dany / Euron / Cersei dynamics play out. I’m dying to know where and when Euron makes contact with Dany - my guess is Oldtown. I don’t think Euron is coming to Slavers Bay
Im not sure what Euron would get out of shacking up with Cersei. At this point she's almost powerless and has no great skill or magic to add to the equation.
@@rebornstillborn she is the heir to Casterly Rock, at the least
Another great video! Ever since you talked about the use of the word others I’ve been looking for it as I read and one that stands out for me is in the beginning of a game of thrones when the dire wolf pups are found. When Jon finds ghost he says “he must have crawled away from the others” 🧐
Quick correction: Satan being stuck in an icy lake is Dante in the Inferno, not Milton.
This is a comment sacrifice to the unknowable RUclips algorithm. Loving the content LML
God, I hope Dany doesn't get involved with Euron. That would be hard to read on so many levels lmao
Would be so interesting though
If Dany gets involved with Euron, she'll surely have a finger up the bum
Considering how he treated his salt wife i think he would be a good husband
Fantastic video LML, great visual and audio and compelling arguments! As usual of course ;)
also the perfect length, imo
Every few weeks I return to these. They’re done so well, it expands your mind in horrific ways! I do love scaring myself.
Thanks for another thought provoking stream! Keeping coming. Appreciate the unique perspective you bring to the material.
Just wanted to comment that you are definitely right by saying magic is magic in Planetos...I found this to be true thanks to the Dance of the Dragons. When Daemon Targaryen fights Aemond One Eye (god, both amazing characters) at the God's Eye, Aemond tells that his pregnant lady Alys Rivers can see him him a storm cloud, a mountain pool, and their cookfire, implying that she can use different mediums to achieve the same results. (Full disclosure: I'm a big fan of Preston Jacobs and I think telepathy and telekinesis are much of the real "magic" and telepaths should definitely be able to exercise control over different elements.)
P.S. love the creepy music and Monty Python references
preston jacbos.... oh my lol. He likes fingers up teh bum
I've had this image in my mind for ages of Euron blowing the horn of Joramun atop the apex of the hightower and the Wall falling in the North shortly after. If he successfully takes Oldtown and captures Sam as I think he might then the likelihood of this is quite high I think. If Layton Hightower and Malora fall under his power as well, it could be through them that Euron learns what the horn of Joramun really is.
Welp time for my work break been waiting for this !
So while watching this i had a thought but have no basis to expand. What if Euron gets Maester Aemons body and uses blood magic. Idk to what end and couldn't begin to speculate BUT I know a guy who could. Lol great work as usual LML. Euron is probably my favorite character in ASOIAF and I really enjoyed the deep dive.
I'm so ready for WINDS OF WINTER and your analysis of it. Thanks for all you do!
Cant wait for you to hit 30k subs. You definitely deserve it!
Speaking of "others", there are signs on the back of the doors in my work's toilets that say "Please be mindful of Others", and I have to suppress a cackle every time I read that.
P.S. I love your actual theory videos so much. Should make more of them ☄
Heh heh
@@DavidLightbringer Heh heh indeed ☆_☆
P.S. Would love some Cersei theories 🦁👱♀️
In the books we haven't seen the Others raise the dead on screen yet. And I wonder if the drowned men's ritual, Patchface, as well as Berric and Stone Heart's resurrections points to that the Others also have to give the corpse a kiss! So they can blow their icy breath into them...
So the Urrathon thing is interesting but is it really a canon theory yet? R + L = J is cannon theory, Sam's horn being THE horn of winter is canon theory. I dont think Euron = Urrathon is that yet. But like what percentage? 50/50? 90/10?
Really just throwing out the comment for your algorithm. Thanks for the great vids and 4:20 livestreams
Euron is one of my favorite villains. He is so cavalier about the horrific things he has done and plans to do. I read something that basically said no one alive thinks they are the villain. Our minds don’t let us. And I think euron embodies that.
That is so fucking stupid. Euron knows he is evil as shit; he literally admits it. They know right from wrong; they simply don't care. The notion that 'villains' think they are the good guys is such a childish notion, and the concept masquerades as 'deep conceptual story telling' when it is, in actuality, extremely childish.
A child doesn't know right from wrong; a child thinks they may be doing good when, in fact, they are doing wrong. A villain thinking they are good is just a child. What I don't get is why modern adults think a villain thinking they are good is somehow compelling storytelling
Man, I'm really enjoying this, but I think I'll be needing a rewatch tomorrow. You see, I seldom praise Garth and drink at the same time, but sometimes I do, and tonight is one of those nights.
And yeah, Steve Buscemi-Euron are freaking me out. I just had to say it, it's been on my mind for a while now. Har!
Love your content, LmL, keep up the good work!
Ps. My only complaint would be not enough cartoon-Euron. Whether he's riding a dragon or appearing as a red comet, he just looks so chill.
Edit: Aw, I got a heart, but it disappeared when I did an edit...
I think Euron will just make his own zombies instead of taking over the old models.
This is incredible content, LML! Thank you so much! I know you worked really hard on this and it bloody well shows! Fully enriching my asoiaf experience! You and Quinn, both!
Glad you enjoyed it Kate!
LML excellent as usual, you are the hardest working guy out there!
Great content, as always. Thank you for bonus pervy Monty Python nuns thrown in for good measure. What is that super cool funky spooky music at the end of the video?
the funky bit at the very end is my version of the GoT theme with my cousin Jamie on keys and using a drum sample. The spooky music throughout my videos is all me and my bass guitar and effects pedals :)
@@DavidLightbringer Well done indeed!
Really fantastic. This was an amazing end to your Euron series. It was all laid out so smooth that it was so easy to follow the logic. I very much follow your train of thought for the possibility of the end. You sure made a comfy car for this brain train, glad I caught the ride.
Awesome, thank you!
@@DavidLightbringer it came out at the perfect moment as well. Helping the spawn "learn" core math when math is not my jam really got me through the lesson. Bluetooth headphones are a life saver.
I've been drinking Shade of the Evening, patiently awaiting this video.
Been obsessed with sugar free pear red bull and vodka. Call it wildfire. Turns me into a dragon it does...
@@dothrakidani358 You should try Mean Bean Monster and Caramel Vodka.
Euron, to me, is the most interesting character in the series. What was Rodrik Harlaw reading when Euron told him he do well to keep his nose in his books? Was it the Book of Lost Books? I think there is a major clue in that exchange.
You and preston in one day , y'all are spoiling us 💓
24:34 maybe Euron is going after the mysterious black stones. He already took the sea stone chair so now he seeks to destroy the Hightower (as its inspiration was the lighthouse of Alexandria) in to take the black stone beneath. Maybe Azor Ahai soul is trapped within these stones after his defeat and has tricked Euron into thinking using them would him a god, when in reality he plans to resurrect himself in the Crow eyes body?
I do wonder if we will see Euron slinking about the twisted hallways of th fused stone fortress at Battle Isle, yeah
I always considered the Hizdahr and Dany dream as a omen that Euron's reach is vast, perhaps even warging into Hizdahr or merely having Sandman powers over dreams
he has a glass candle. he could be messing with Dany already
If in the shade dream Euron gave the damper was something he controlled maybe since he’s never seen Dany this is his hopeful representation of what he thinks she might be like. Which is why we can’t make the connection 100% as how he hopes Dany will be as his evil bride. As if he has used a glass candle to spy on Dany we haven’t seen it. Yet..
Ps: Thank your for all your amazing content!
Your content is top notch! Thanks so much for everything you do!
First off, as always, I thoroughly enjoyed your work here both in content and presentation but I have to say, on a tangent, that throughout both this video and part one, every time we got the art depicting Euron using the visage of Mads Mikkelsen I couldn't help think how great he would have been in portraying the character. Furthermore, the transition around 24:55 when you mention, "this Night's King snatches Euron's body idea," reminded me of his portrayal of Hannibal and how he at times appears as a demonic antler-headed figure in that show, which admittedly has nothing to do with the topic of the video but is kinda cool nonetheless.
It's a year old so I doubt it matters, but you did encourage me to point out any medical inaccuracies.
People's lips turn cyanotic (blue) because of oxygen deprivation; O2 in erythrocytes are what make us pink. People who freeze to death are often without lips entirely due to frostbite. If they are there, they are black.
OOH JOY! I've been waiting for this one! Part 1 was the tease! You analyses always seem to dig two layers deeper than even the best other ASOIAF theorists, so I've been dying to hear what you have to say about my favorite character!!!
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love this algorithm humor we are making together :)
I think you're right about the horn that Jon found at the Fist. I think it's an Other Binder just like Euron's Dragonbinder. That would make more sense to me than a horn that would literally crumble the wall, but we have seen plenty of horns as communication/binding tools. & maybe the Others have been capable of taking The Wall down all this time but have been waiting for a leader to sound the horn south of the barrier. Also the Fist has a similar magical barrier that even Ghost, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a parallel with sounding the horn outside the protected area
i was also thinking today how dragonbinder is just unbelievably loud, while the "horn of winter" is silent. Seems like an intentional contrast, no?
@@DavidLightbringer Comparing the horns is fun! Could dragonbinder take out whatever dragon person/greenseer is stuck in the weirwood net? This coming long night could be that remaining moon stone falling onto Westeros (maybe near the wall?) when the horn is blown on a dragon in Meereen .. symbolically pulling out the dragon locked in ice? Idk if that make sense lol It wouldn't be as catastrophic as the first long night but the only way to do that is with another falling moon and idk how Martin can pull off a world with no moon ending lol (StormsEnd is a spaceship that Dany will illuminate with dragonfire to sacrifice herself as a new moon SHH DON'T GIVE THE SECRET ENDING AWAY!)
I def think the fact that there is such a distinction between crows and ravens as symbols is kind of a hint that the 3 eyed crow is pretending to be bloodraven. Probably Euron, the crow who opened his third eye.
And I think bran, being schooled by both will take on a fusion of the names and become the three eyed raven.
This video is so good. I love your stuff.
I've been an ASOIAF fan for quite a few years now. I've watched HOURS of content. This Euron series is hands down my favorite. LML you kill it.
Could the Undying be the remains of a failed version, or simply the remains, of the Wood Walkers' parallel to the CotF's human greenseers?
Both involve extended life and consumption/involvement of magical trees (shade of the evening & weirwood seeds).
Though I don't know of any other connection between the Wood Walkers and Quarth.
yes absolutely. It's so hard to say what the shade trees *actually* are. Symbolism wise, it's easy to decode them, but what are they really? They could be literally altered weirwoods, or maybe the woodswalkers used those instead.
This deserves way more views
Thanks Kim, spread the word! I really enjoyed making these two Euron episodes
@LuciferMeansLightbringer Thanks for the Long Nights Watch name shout out. Idk if the patreon $ will come out since I missed the first but I'll send the 33$ in PayPal for when I get paid tomorrow, to make up for being laid off...I loved it!!! I was kinda in space and hears the tone and saw it right before it cut away
Man, mocorro’s vision basically describes Cercei clapping to penny and Tyrion’s folley
Hey LmL, Scorpiax here. Another awesome video! More and more I watch your videos and reread the texts, more I understand that Night’s King and Queen figures are destined to be reborn in our story. Euron and Cersei are future poor imitations or pretenders to these figures. Dany needs to go through the death and rebirth process to transfrom from fiery to icy maiden, which you showcase perfectly in your videos. She is the true Night’s Queen parallel that will emerge by the end, just as I think Jon will as Night’s King.
After her death in Westeros, in order to “touch the light”, Dany will have to “pass beneath the shadow”. Probably in Asshai after her resurrection in Volantis by Benerro and Red Priests. To go through underworld journey and uncover “the truth” Quaithe was talking about. That “truth” is key to her transformation from Queen Daenerys Stormborn, Breaker of Chains, Mother of Dragons, etc. into Night’s Queen character. She will have to go back to south of Westeros, probably Dorne, to confirm her identity (“to go north, you must journey south”), wherever that “house with the red door with lemon tree outside the window” is. Once confirmed, she will prepare for her journey north of the Wall, reunite with exiled Jon Snow, become his wife, a mother to his children and “khaleesi” to another nomad tribe of wildlings and live out her days away from games and politics, in harsher climate of icy terrains, but happy and content for the first time in her life. Iron Throne was never her goal in life, she thought the throne will give her that sense of belonging and security, but that is not it. Her ultimate happy story destination is beyond the Wall with Jon, Ghost and the wildlings.
I really do love LML's analysis. This stuff has saved me during quarantine.
I do wonder, though, if instead of a literal shower of moon meteors causing the long night, it's a metaphor for the Bloodstone Emperor using a blood sacrifice ritual to create the first dragons aka "lightbringer(s)".
It is heavily suggested that dragons are an artificial, though still magical, creation. Perhaps this aspect of them is only being missattrubed to the Valyrian Freehold instead of the Great Empire of the Dawn.
GRRM does use egg/moon metaphors throughout his work. And the sacrifice of Nissa Nissa/Amethyst Empresses to birth a dragon does parallel the deaths of the witch and Danny's family to hatch her dragon eggs. Only death can pay for life after all.
Also, since GRRM has said the strange season's in ASOIAF have a magical cause, the introduction of so much fire magic into the world may have caused a natural and opposite reaction to counterbalance this new magical forced i.e. the Long Night.
Or a third party may have actively sought out a source of cold magic to match the newly created dragons. Dragon Lords do tend to be the conquering types and, for example, the CotF have taken extreme magical actions when they fell threatened.
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I love the corrupted heart tree theories that are out there. I will check those videos out!
I got this video notification about 7 hours ago, and I waited 'till i got home, lit a fatty and crack open a bottle of wine before watching it.
Idalia(my GF) is sleeping so... Let's the foreshadowing beging!
Just in time for my walk home from work. Ur timing is impeccable
i promise im not asking anymore questions... lol i say that cause i just asked about euron and the fire of the gods type scenario in one of ur recent videos and sure enough u have thought about that 3 years before i finished the books. thats so cool i love your work thank you bro youve answered every question i can think of im sure at some point or aother before i think of it.
I love your Old Nan voice so much!
6:30 “The Other downed men gathered round and gave him a punch and a kiss to welcome him to the brotherhood.”. This def applies to Jon in ADWD.
Jon believes he was “punched” by Bowen marsh when the mutiny happens.
“He PUNCHED Jon in the belly. When he pulled his hand away, the dagger stayed where he had buried it.”
That’s the punch part of the other transformation. The kiss part could come from Melisandre doing the last kiss resurrection.
This is interesting for Jon since he’d be revived by fire magic while all the others get revived by ice magic.
I feel there’s more symbolism and foreshadowing to interpret from this line of thinking. Just some food for thought if you’d like to entertain it.
Would have been so amazing to see this play out on tv...
The Night's Queen is Jon Snow. It is known 😌🙏🏿
just leaving this here as you said yesterday - i feel like everyone here did the same haha - awesome work as always
21:47 - Just got a flashbang memory to IASIP “Dayman, Ahhhh…”
Dany is "trapped" in Mereen and even marries one of the slave masters to try to fit in. Could that be a forshadow for Dany beeing trapped by the Others for a time, like a Night's Queen? Marrying Euron perhaps? And then breake free and burn them all? Yes! I think so.
21:43 Euron is a Magical Girl confirmed
So far for my plans for the next 30 minutes...
good, punchy presentation with excellent soundscaping LML!
Mom, can I get a crow's eye so I can lead the others when the new long night falls? Everybody's doing it!!!
I am a cannabis smoking skeptic, being skeptical of the symbolism in the word other. As I'm scratching my head thinking about this, you shot down my current skeptical misgivings. In fact every time I start to think you might be an even bigger pot smoking crackpot than I, you see me through the smoke to the other side.
I look forward to your livestream. This is an excellent Part 2!👍
Had to rewatch part 1 again before getting into this one....just top class work again lml!!!
I'm surprised you didn't note that Shade of the Evening is made from the strange trees at the House of the Undying that is like a Weirwood, but inverted colors.
I mean I did, specifically. I had a whole section on the Warlocks.
I like the idea of Euron as the the next Knights king figure. With his symbolism and imagery I’ve thought of him as an opposite to bran and Jon.
Ravens and Crows are cousins. Crows eat the dead and Ravens are bigger. GRRM said there a difference between the two. In the show the Night's King have the sigil of Crow Skull. I think there are two influence on Bran, Bran call BloodRaven the Three Eye Crow. No he Blood Raven who once the crow commander. The (three eyes crow) might be Euron.
Well just have to see who is messing with who out there on the astral plane huh.. I really think there’s some sort of older entity waiting to manifest in the world
I’ve been jonesing for my next symbolism fix! Have you noticed the reference to night-walkers in the Asshai by the Shadow chapter of TWOIAF? Could it be a breadcrumb?
Thank the Gods, im not the only one jonesing for some LML!!!!
Also, THANK YOU FOR THIS CRUMB OF MYTHOLOGY!!! PLEASE SIR, CAN I HAVE SOME MORE?!?!?!
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Awesome video as always, LML. I'm intrigued by the idea of Euron replicating Weymar Royce's actions in confronting the others. I guess his valyrian steel armor could be his crowning glory cloak...
Comment for the algorithm, keep up the good work, Davey
I'm 99% sure that the "bittersweet ending" to the song that we have been promised will have one grand subversion of expectations, or twist. Now I know it might be a little too easy to puzzle out for GRRM to just be like "surprise the whitewalkers were the good guys the whole time" but I think it will be a part of that. The entire song we've been sung has been from p.o.v. of character's who have biases and are wrong about things quite oft'. Everyone thinks the others are the enemy because that's what they grew up being told. Much like the free folk, who are believed by most to be subhuman savages, yet wiser characters like the Halfhand know that they are men just like northman. I put a lot of stock in the children being the real enemy and possibly Bloodraven not being the 3 eyed crow but the Great Other. I do believe that Euron is set to be the ultimate HUMAN antagonist, a perfect crescendo of villainy following Jeoff and Ramsay, but I don't see him achieving the god status he seeks. I could be and probably am wrong but as always amazing work lml. I tip my cap to your analysis and depth of knowledge.
I was like, "other wars! Say it, say it!
Love this dude. I have to smoke a spliff before watching
My favorite kind of comment
@@DavidLightbringer my dude
counterpoint: the word "other" is otherwise common in English.
also: Kings only need Queens for the sake of the Realm after they die, to ensure the lineage is in reactionary hands. If you are immortal, you are not planning for any successor, and any Queen will only produce The Competition for the job you fought to get.
What if there are multiple god powers that can be accessed throughout planetos? The one that leads the others is one that can be accessed by a mortal with the right bloodline or something.. maybe that’s why there are so many “Odin figures” in the books.. maybe it means they have the ability to access this or something.. anyways, the gray king and the krakens, night king and the others, the stallion that mounts the world.. maybe that’s why there’s so many different long night tales.. maybe it’s the way different blood lines can harness the lord of lights power and the Great Other, and it manifests in different ways, maybe this story will have multiple “god like powers accessed at the same time. Euron and the kraken, Jon snow and the others, Danny and the dragons ( the vision at 1402 showing her eye getting sucked on, accessing the god-like power).. Just with so many knights king figures happening at the same time.. and maybe Euron found a way to access multiple ones.. maybe he’ll master, the others, the kraken, and dragons and more to be the god on earth emperor again if he can master multiples. Bran and the 3eyed crow is another. The old gods, the new gods.. idk.
For twenty was intense, before I wrote this..
I’m still fairly convinced that Jamie and Cersei are the Mad King’s kids, and that “white fire” is somehow a reference to Cersei being a Targaryen bastard
This theory has more chances to be Canon alongside with fAegon being a Blackfyre and R+L=J theories than the "Tyrion Targaryen" theory and N+A=J!