Why not spend $20 extra over a 40-60 ti and get a way faster card 7800 xt 16gb - (this WAS on the first page you displayed why not bring it into this?). don't award nvidia for a rubbish low end
I just love your video's Daniel - been in the tech game for many years, and you've become my favorite channel - always great information and SO well presented - Everyone needs a "Daniel" mouse pointer!!!
I have one in a laptop its okay for goofing off in blender or really old games but anything else and it hangs a lot. Even without Vram being full. I think I got a low bin impure chip.
Timestamp chapters seem to be broken for some reason, so here they are in a comment: 0:00 Intro, which GPU cooler models am I using? 0:50 These cards all have different VRAM amounts 1:35 All these cards were too expensive at launch, but prices have dropped 2:47 AMD also has 2 games bundled with the 7700 XT 3:35 The used market can actually be the best value- check out Jawa! 4:55 How to interpret the stats (Ghost of Tsushima 1080p Very High) 6:01 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High 6:27 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High DLSS3/FSR3 Q FG On 8:32 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High DLSS/FSR Q 8:57 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p High 9:24 Horizon Forbidden West 1080p Very High 9:50 Horizon Forbidden West 1080p High 10:15 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p Very High 10:41 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p Very High DLSS/FSR Q 11:08 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p High 11:33 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q 11:59 Hellblade 2 1080p High 12:26 Hellblade 2 1080p Medium 12:52 Hellblade 2 1440p High 13:18 Hellblade 2 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q 13:45 Hellblade 2 1440p Medium 14:10 Hellblade 2 1440p Medium DLSS/FSR Q 14:36 Avatar 1080p Ultra (Includes RT) 14:59 Avatar 1080p High (Includes RT) 15:25 Avatar 1440p Ultra (Includes RT) 15:51 Avatar 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q (Includes RT) 16:18 Avatar 1440p High (Includes RT) 16:44 Avatar 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q (Includes RT) 17:10 Alan Wake 2 1080p RT High DLSS/FSR Q 18:03 Alan Wake 2 1080p High 18:29 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS/FSR B 18:55 Alan Wake 2 1440p High 19:21 Alan Wake 2 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q 19:47 Cyberpunk 1080p RT Overdrive DLSS/FSR Q 20:13 Cyberpunk 1080p Ultra with RT Reflections 20:39 Cyberpunk 1080p Ultra 21:05 Cyberpunk 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS/FSR P 21:32 Cyberpunk 1440p Ultra with RT Reflections DLSS/FSR Q 21:57 Cyberpunk 1440p Ultra 22:23 Cyberpunk 1440p High 22:49 Resident Evil 4 1080p Max (Includes RT) 23:15 Resident Evil 4 1080p Prioritize Graphics 23:41 Resident Evil 4 1440p Max (Includes RT) 24:07 Resident Evil 4 1440p Prioritize Graphics 24:33 Starfield 1080p Ultra 25:00 Starfield 1440p Ultra 25:25 Starfield 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q 25:51 Starfield 1440p Ultra DLSS3/FSR3 Q FG On 26:17 Call of Duty MW3 1080p Basic 26:43 Call of Duty MW3 1440p Basic 27:13 Final Thoughts
I bought the 7700 XT for 440 dollars on release date. I have not had a single issue with drivers and gaming as been good. Only Warzone and Cyberpunk have been hit and miss
I also got the 7700 xt, great card all in all but it does appear that certain dx9 games from 2008 era are broken with current drivers. Mirrors Edge just crashes the video driver when I try and get past the main menu. I’ve gotten it to work with DXVK, but that’s to be expected.
@@turnip1744 I think Cyberpunk is a brilliant game. Phantom Liberty was unbelievable, felt like a movie especially with good soundtrack. While it was ok and playable, it was not smooth sailing. Glad i finished it though, it was worth the price
It does still have great power efficiency. The laptop version (which is misleadingly called the RTX 4070), is actually quite a good laptop graphics card. The GPU is clocked lower for better power and thermal efficiency, and with less GPU compute power, it makes more sense to turn settings down anyway, so you're not as likely to need more than 8GB of vram with the laptop version. The desktop version is definitely a pretty bad card for most people, but for someone who lives in a region with a very high cost of electricity, who doesn't play any games which need more than 8GB of vram, it's an OKAY graphics card, but local pricing also matters a lot too. The 16GB version is definitely better, but it does cost more, and while having more than 8GB of vram is useful, having more than 12GB of vram with this level of GPU compute power is going to be very overkill except for some very rare use cases. 12GB would have already been great with this level of GPU compute power (such as with the RX 6700 XT). It's pretty obvious that the design choices were made to make it a good laptop graphics card. This was never going to be a good design for a desktop card. You've got one model with not enough vram, and the other one you're kinda over-paying for too much vram. If the power efficiency advantage doesn't matter much to you, AMD has some far superior options in the same price range, like the RX 7800 XT.
For people upgrading from GTX and RTX 2000 series entry level cards, these cards are great options. But if you have a 3000 series then probably skip the 4000 gen unless you are upgrading from entry to a higher tier card.
Agreed even more on 6000/7000 series. I upgraded from a 6700xt to a 7900xtx but if I was going to a 7700xt or even 7800xt it probably wouldn't have been worth it this generation
@@mrman6035 efficient at power draw but not the wallet AMD at least tries to offer good performance per dollar. Ngreedia is just screwing customers who want something cheaper than the XX90 cards.
Of course, after seeing your past history comment it seems you're just a clueless sheep who wants everything with unrealistic standard, like your take that 4099 should've been 1299$ 😂
I'd be happy if they have only one lower end card with 12GB (upper-low-end I guess you could call it). They've already made one upper-low-end card with 12GB (the original version of the RTX 3060). It would be great if they also made 16GB standard for at least two of their mid-range cards for the next generation. Instead, we're likely going to have a 4060 ti successor, with one model with 8GB, and another very expensive model with 16GB, when 12GB would probably make the most sense (though a 16GB 5060 ti will probably make more sense than the 16GB version of the 4060 ti).
5050 8gb 5060 12gb 5060ti 16gb Feel like those are the best vram amounts for both Nvidia and consumers 5050(if they make a 5050) doesn't need more than 8gb because it will probably not have much performance and won't be bottlenecked by vram Also a 5050 should be aimed at 1080p high/ultra on many modern games(optimized games that are not a buggy mess) A 5060 should be aimed at 1080p highest settings(high fps), or 1440p high/ultra settings A 5060ti will obviously be better than a 5060(hopefully it isn't another 3060/3060ti situation)
@@Zvxers7 5050 - 6gb 5060 - 8gb/12gb 5070 - 12gb/16gb 5080 - 16gb/24gb 5090 - 24gb/24+gb idk if thats fair or it makes sense at all but its just my opinion
As much as I love the 16Gb of vram in my 4060Ti for production work, I think the card would have been much better overall if it had a 192bit 12Gb GPU (and priced like the 8Gb version). It would probably be a better match for the 7700XT as well. I wonder if it's possible to cut down a 4070 with software to test that theory.
the majority of gamers are buying cards in the 500 dollar range at best... they know they cant play with 4K at the at price point... but they just want a card that is solid in 1440. 7700XT is solid at 1440... you dont need to break the bank for more
@@BlackJesus8463If you are fine with 60fps... I have a 7900XT and get 120fps with upscaling in several games. And those aren't even newer games. 7700XT would be a terrible choice for 4k, not to mention VRAM issues with newer games on UE5. Not to mention the cost of 4k monitors...
4k is very much possible for 500$ with upscaling. Especially if you consider used market. Just bought a 3080 for 450$ (with a warranty, otherwise it's 400$) and most games run at high-ultra with dlss quality (which looks the same as native to me). Some games like Allan wake 2 require dlss balanced (which still looks great and better than native 1440p imo. I personally can't tell it apart from native either but haven't looked side by side, just normally playing the game)
@@farmeunitunless you are very competitive fps gamer, a 4k qled tv is a better option than a monitor imo. They're like 400-500$ and you probably need a tv anyway, so it's not only for gaming. Led is also perfectly fine and is 300$
@@markojovanovic6928 Most TVs don't have the refresh rates of newer OLED monitors and very few are 32" or less. Good OLED monitors start at $1000 and go up. I still use a VA 165hz and it was $500 a year ago.
watching this on my 1080Ti MSI Trio, still waiting for something i can upgrade to, it is pretty much same as 3060Ti +/- the only reasonable good options for me is 4080/90 but i dont feel like it just yet.
1:16 - This generally isn't true. As you noticed later (around 10:07 in the video), unless the game _deliberately limits_ "the highest settings" at those screen resolutions, the total amount of VRAM used is going to be practically the same regardless of your screen resolution. The vast majority of VRAM is going to be used to load *textures* and *models* (not for the framebuffer, which is the part that scales based on the _screen_ resolution). If you choose "the highest settings" for texture resolution and model detail, then you're going to need more VRAM, even at 1920×1080 (because the texture and model data will be the same as if your screen was 4k). The difference is at 4k you also need significantly more memory *bandwidth* (so a 16 GB card with limited bandwidth can load the highest-resolution models and textures but will have trouble maintaining high frame rates at 4k). Those are separate bottlenecks, and some cards (like the 7600XT, and to a lesser extent the 7900GRE) avoid the former (that affects several Nvidia models) but still suffer from the latter.
@@farmeunit i mean, i get the fear of that the gpu will explote lol but its really easy to check, mine was tested , check all the boxes ,also they change the thermal pads plus got 30 days to returned it is something wasnt right, for the price of a brand new 6600 xt i got a 6800 instead after suffering for like 7 years wiht a gtx 1050 notebook 💀
@@patozarantonello8572 Glad it worked for you. Lots of people got cards with missing memory thanks to miners that can't properly do it. Not to mention fans dying, etc.. Of course you can find good deals but you would make up the difference in energy costs over time, anyway, if buying a newer model.
4070TI is considered an upper-midrange GPU and is categorized as a 1440p GPU - but I've been enjoying its capability to render 4K High/Ultra @ 60fps or 4K low/medium @ beyond 60fps (both scenarios with DLSS and FG if available) on a 32" 4K 144hz IPS monitor with G-Sync.
current generation GPUs can't fight the bang for the buck value of the previous generation GPUs. 6800 XT for $400 and 3080 for $470? (I live in a country where GPU prices are more expensive than US prices)
I am in the UK, as much as I try Jawa does not ship outside the USA. If this is true please make this clear in your 'plug'. Other than that your content is interesting to me
Seriously - so hard to even argue for an upgrade for myself when Blackwell comes around. Either the 5070 needs to be close to 4080 level of performance for $600-650 or 5080 needs to be close to 4090 level of performance for sub $1000. The 6800 Xt/7800 XT/7900 GRE are amazing value for the performance you get.
@@coolumar335 no they wont bc that would already be like 25-30% performance increase which is a lot. (4070 Super is like 10-15% faster than 4070. And 4070ti Super is like 10-15% faster than 4070 Super. According to Techpowerup the 4070ti Super is even 36% faster. But I think thats also bc they test 4k as well, and there the 12gb VRAM of the 4070 can be a factor. But then they also have the 4070 Super as 16% faster than the 4070, so that gives credibility to the 36% of the 4070ti Super vs 4070.
@@PopePlatinumBeats why would you do that lmao the 4080 is over 50% faster in raster. In RT it will be WAY faster than "just" 50%, it could be a lot over 100% (probably several 100% in PT) faster in very heavy RT/PT. Also they pretty much use the same amount of power. (6800XT has 300watts TDP so who knows, maybe it uses more. The 4080 actually uses 250-280watts) So I dont see a single reason to use the 6800XT, when you have a 4080 lol the only reason I can think of, is that your monitor is already maxed out by the 6800xt when playing without upscaling. But even then I dont see it, bc you could limit the 4080 and it would draw less power than the 6800XT for the same performance, as it already does anyways.
I got a Sapphire Pulse 7700xt for ~$400 for my mATX Sleeper Build. It's pretty good for 1440p gaming! It's not perfect all of the time... but I'm happy with it.
Kinda same boat here, I snatched a 6900xt(binned chip) for a great deal, not as great of a deal as you got but still slays anything without heavy ray tracing, couldn't be happier.
AMD price is always more expensive just look at steam hardware survey top 20 not even a single AMD card lol if its so good value people already bought them, its just non existent to most people
@@loucipher7782 nope where I live amd is cheaper than NVidia, but people are fanboys of Nvidia, no matter how expensive NVIDIA GPU is they still buy it, even if rtx 3050 is costing 500$ they will take it lol
@@nathanielchapman7675Hello Daniel said he is going to do a comparison of the 4060 ti 16 and 7800 xt. I just asked him if he has the chance and time to include the 4070 that is all. You should watch the video before commenting.
In the last 6 months there have been multiple price drop videos. But strangely the gpu prices are almost the same. Are the prices really dropping or are the videos a few months late? 🤔
well. It's more like 150 vs 220. that is 70W difference. That is as much as a good old fasion lightbulb. Whats your cost of electricity? Over here it's about 10cents pr KW/h at the most (right now it's about 2cents). You need to run The GPU at max load for 16 hours to reach 1KW/h. If you're gaming 1 hour a day, 365 days a year, that's about $2,50 saved. It only takes you 1 year. (well. 5 years with the prices as they are this days)
@@Audiosan79 i wasn't refering to the cost, but the ratio or % difference. I would have wanted to see how both GPUs would behave at the same max TDP of 130/150w. That way you could extrapolate and see what the 4060 would be capable of at 220W Tdp. Just as a fun math exercise 😁
@@Audiosan79 its never about the cost of electricity lol its about the psu and whats the best gpu you can put in it psu cost just fly up after a certain wattage
@@loucipher7782 Yes. When you go over that magic 1000W mark, then the PSU cost flyes up. But we are far from that arn't we? TBH, you never need to go above 1000W.
@@Audiosan79 quite sure that mark starts at 650w. Otherwise everyone would be dumping in 1000w like its nothing instead of asking for psu advise everywhere and entire list of tested psu at the cultist dedicated to it, also not many 1000w on the good list either. So i dont know, do you even own a good 1000w psu yourself?
And for some of the higher prices on the 4060 TIs you can easily get even a 7900 GRE which is currently discounted highly, for even MORE performance gain. AMD is easily the winner in Value:Performance, (even though I'm running a 3060TI after running a RX570)
Took a risk with bad drivers and just got the 7700xt(3x fans) for 476.69$ ... 4060ti 8gb(2x fans) was 458.79$...4060ti 16gb(2x fans) was 537.12$ ... 7800xt(3x fans) was 590.83$... 4070(2x fans) was 671.17$... mentioned the fans because in my country you have to pay like 10-15$ for 3 fans
honestly am good with my RTX 3060 12gb and i will only upg anything above 4070 but only when they hit the prize of 300$ and that will prop be when the 50 series come out
The goal of upscaling and frame gen "features" is to give the GPU companies an excuse to offer less performance in their graphics cards. They wouldn't spend the resources creating features to help gamers - same way they won't lower prices to help gamers. Why does no one on RUclips see or understand this? These "features"are actually a Trojan horse and their goal is to offer the bare minimum performance increase Gen on gen. Just look at these 3 cards and compare them to last Gen for proof 😂
I compared my Asus Dual 6700 XT with the 7700 XT on the Versus site. My card gets 66 points, the 7700 XT gets 68 points. That's almost nothing! The 7900 GRE gets 75 points and would be the best choice for me if I didn't already have a 6700 XT. You have to wait 2 generations to really get something better. This is a bad joke!
Would agree with you if you specifically mentioned nvidia. Amd giving everyone access to fsr and frame gen allowing the gtx 10 series to keep on chugging was good for players and not good for profit.
I think upscaling is good feature as on quality setting can get higher fps with similar image. But your right. Frame gen especially means hardware companies are not increasing hardware perf as much especially on low end (under $600).
That was the only way to get developers on board especially when nvidia gives out free engineering time to integrate their features in each game. AMD didn't have enough headcount to go that routeso they rely on opensource and documentation along with the carrot of supporting more legacy platforms as well as new. just giving enough incentive for everyone to care. @@eric50gobucks
is the 7800xt not kinda midrange? i have one, yeah 4k kinda but you wanna be running 1440p rasterised and 1080p RT. Here you end up paying the same for a 16 gig 4060ti
Why i want dlss if the 7700xt can deliver the same or even more fps in native vs dlss quality on the 4060ti?????? And now, somebody tell me dlss quality looks better than native 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂☠️
@@ferasnj5769 Dont use TAA, you have a lot of a AA, wtf saied TAA=Native? and if your game only have TAA, in the amd driver and Nvidia yoou can change the AA config.
@@BlackJesus8463 It depends if the native TAA on the game is TAA or SMAAX2 or something like, but it doesn´t matters bcs you can change that from the driver.
@@robinrufino8244 they're all shit compared to DLAA. i told u once u see how good the AA component of DLSS From rtx cards u will never go back to fsr/taa/smaax2. So u either get the superior AA without the upscaler and extra performance, or u get both.
i dont know if someone is buying the most expensive 4060ti 16gb for gaming when u can get 7700xt for less than 25% cheaper and 25-30% faster with 2 games included. that will be the worst choice ever
As someone with an AMD desktop and Nvidia laptop, these comparisons really should be pitting DLSS Balanced against FSR quality or ultra quality. Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they look the same. IQ definitely is less stable with FSR, and I notice frustrations even on ultra quality at 1440p.
Using teck power up and the Radeon RX 7700 XT as the base line 100% Radeon RX 7700 XT cost $374.99 / 107% GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16GB cost $449.99 / 121% Radeon RX 7800 XT Cost $479.99 So I do think if you looking at getting the RTX 4060 Ti 16GB it would also look at the RX 7800 XT as cost is only an extra $30 bucks and for that you getting an extra +14% perfromace so yes I am intrested
I got the 7700 XT for 200 less than the 7800, and with AMD cards they tend to improve over time with drivers and improvements I OCed my 7700 XT easily and it runs like a beast and I get the FPS of a 7800 no problem
just sold my 7 years old 2060 for $121 and get 4060 ti 16gb for $410, and I felt its worth it, I really aim for the frame gen of dlss3 even tho i'm playing at 1080, so theres no reason for not using it if the game provides it, i'm also a creator so I guess, its preferable to bought nvida card over amd, it all thanks to your review! Cheers! for todays game 16gb doesnt really need it yet, but maybe for the future if 12gb is the new low, at least frame gen still can helps a bit along with the extra vram
NIce review Daniel. Although I wish you would also include benchmark tests with flight and racing simulators (such as Microsoft Flight Simulator and Dirt Rally 2.0 or Assetto Corsa Competizione). Even thought these games may not be in the same sphere as the Unreal 5.0 engine games, they are valid to me. Thanks for everything you do!
MSFT Flight sim and ACC benchmarks results are part of Hardware Unboxed benchmark suite. HUB releases the aggregate/ geo mean results along with VS comparison in their Videos to avoid viewer benchmark chart fatigue. If you are a supporter on thier patreon then you get access to all the data. Dirt Rally 2.0 runs on everything usually Digital Foundry uses that game in their reviews. I think Forza franchise is covered by everyone. with regard to ACC I wish someone benchmark the game with most popular mods in that game
This shows that the 4060ti is barely better than a 4060ti and behind a 3070 while the 7700xt gives you 6800 level of performance but both charge a similar price
I got the 7700xt 4 months ago and absolutely love it. I don't think anyone buying in this price bracket should be thinking of RT anyway. Love your videos, the information is brilliant. Cheers. 👍
where i live it's 4060: 315€ 4060ti 8gb: 400€ 7700xt: 460€ i thought amd would be obvious for budget build but surprisingly their budget game is kinda weak. very few scenarios in which 8gb isn't enough and the amd is pulling like 100 more watts and has small market share so games optimize for nvidia. very split rn, if amd had no downsides i would tkae the hit of 150€ but 4060 seems like the best deal
how about a used 3060 Ti for like 220 euros on ebay? i wanna replace my old 1060 6gb on a budget but all new stuff on a budget is trash value and come with 8 PCIE lanes even the 3050 8gb. I also have b 450 board with 3.0 PCIE 16x lanes so only like 3060 12 gb, 3060 Ti and Intel arc 750/580 would make sense in the price bracket 190-250 euro since i also wanna stream on twitch
Hi daniel, if you've ever got the time, I wonder if you'd be able to do stable diffusion on amd's gpu and nvidia as a comparison ... I've been wanting to get into AI, but I find Nvidia's products way too pricey for the cudas ...
I can see some people getting a midrange 7700XT or 7800XT (have one). It's not my main GPU but I did daily driver for a while. If the price is right, well I can see the 7700XT making more sense now than at launch. If you don't have a 12gb one it is a nice step up from 8gb/less GPUs. 8gb on the Ti for that price range still seems like a cash grab.
In my country 4060ti(8GB)/7700XT/4060ti(16GB) are priced around 370/400/430 usd. I would say that's very precisely set prices, but are still all too high....
i grabbed my 7700xt for 386 dollars and the card is pretty grand for the value in my opinion. I have it paired to a 7500F that i got for 135 dollars(20 bucks for a cooler) and nvidia options in this price range are nowhere near the level of performance I got out of my system
I strongly disagree with you Daniel, most of the gpus you show that are currently going below the msrp are really entry level AIB after market crappy models such as pny and other entry level varients such as ventus 2x model cards. These cards often lack the proper cooling and noise decibel range for comfortable gaming. If you can get a 400$ asus tuf or strix variant of 4060ti 16GB for instance then I'd call it a proper cost cut value for money worthy gpu.
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Prices can change hourly. They use sales/inventory algorithm's to set pricing. Unless they are private sales. So it's a game of when you hit the "Put in cart" button exit routine.
8:13 - I tried pausing on different frames and (at least after RUclips's compression) there doesn't seem to be a clear winner. On some frames of that scene FSR looks better, on others DLSS looks better. In my experience, FSR seems to try to preserve more detail but the end result looks "noisier", while DLSS looks blurrier but that hides the artefacts better. Either way, 2D rescaling and frame interpolation are mostly cheap ways for manufacturers to pretend this card generation is significantly faster than the previous one when it isn't, and I would never base my decisions on tests with post scaling (or even worse, frame interpolation) enabled.
@@patozarantonello8572 it's not more efficient lol. 6000 cards don't report total draw. 7000 series is newer and has a way better chance of getting fsr4 (6000 cards will most likely have to use a fallback that will either degrade the visuals or the performance)
Out of amusement, when i see these "GPU Price Drop" videos, I check the prices to see if there are any, and usually there aren't. This time, though, there is one drop. The 4060 Ti 8GB is down $2 from my last check, thought it is still $3 higher than it was this spring. Maybe we'll see some price drops when we start seeing the next generation cards coming out, but I'm not holding my breath.
No price drops in my region India ever infact amd card are more expensive 😢 7700xt is minimum 450$, 4060ti 8gb - 423$, and 16gb- 520$ 4070 starts from 630$
Amd cards have always been more expensive here. At 29k, the 4060 is a pretty good deal specially if you are upgrading from a pre 3000 series card at entry level.
If you dont care about high end RT implementations that you wouldn't realistically run much on this hardware class anyway, the 7700 XT is better and it isn't really a competition. Currently it's even priced around the level of the 8gb 4060 Ti. FSR 3.1 and mods are more than usable, and XeSS can be an option, and UE5 Software RT and low-middle end RT implementations run fine.
honestly.... I've got a 3800x pc with no gpu in it, sure i could slap a 5800x3d and 7900xt/xtx in buuuut nahhh, im going to just choose to stay low end till generational increases are big enough
I replaced my good old GTX 1070 after 8 years. And i did go to the GTX 4060 Ti 16GB despite everyone and their brother blasting this card. Why? Because i have a 1080p monitor. And a 550 W PSU. Everything more powerful would require replacing these two things as well. That would be a huge premium on top of an already very expensive GPU. Performance wise the 4060 Ti is more than twice as fast as the 1070, so no complaints on that side. It absolutely shines with Automatic1111, where the 1070 really struggled. RAM is King and nVidia rocks the AI boat. The next feasible GPU for AI-Workloads would be the 4070 TI Super, but that thing is way to expensive. I really hope, Intel shakes up the market. AMD and nVidia really DO need to get down from their high horses.
If you want to save money and have frame generation... Buy a 7700XT and buy Lossless Scaling for like 3$... frame generation on any game. With 12gb of vram you'll be good for a long time since developper wont increase vram amounts until at least next gen consoles are out + 1-2 years so like 2029-2030. Or wait for RDNA4, it will have way better raytracing and probably be in the same price ballpark than current RDNA3 prices with same or more vram than now.
look at the frametime graph on rx 7700 xt when using FSR3 FG not smooth as on nvidia, so what is the point of get higher FPS but doesn't feel smooth at all, AMD please fix this
@@lupintheiii3055 I've compared my 7900 GRE with my friend 4060 laptop in this game and fsr3 fg doesn't feel smooth as dlss3 fg even with gsync/freesync
Interesting to see,for a game that can eat over 13GB - 14GB Vram actually performs pretty well on the 7700xt with only 12GB Vram → 23:50 🙄 Don't see any huge frame time spikes / very low 1% fps there ↑.. Yet 😱h😱h , the low Vram cards 🙄 And B. an 4060ti isn't a true 1440p gpu to begin with, Just like a 4070/4070ti isn't a true 4K gpu .. realy ..
Been noticing the work you've been putting these past few days. I look forward to these types of videos you make. Anything that I'm curious about and you've already made a video on it.
I am waiting for Black Friday to see what I can get from RDNA 3 side. And if by that time AMD announces RDNA 4 then maybe wait for it. I am skipping NVIDIA this time. I am currently on a 4060 Ti because... Just because. LOL.
I went with a used 6700XT for $250 free shipping from eBay last year. I promptly overclocked it to slightly faster speed than the 6750XT then maxed the memory to 2150MHz limit and added a -100mv under volt. At those settings it matched the then $500 4060Ti 16GB on average. Still a great deal right now for high quality 1080p gaming and the 6800XT as well for more consistent 1440p in new games.
There’s a plethora of mint condition RTX 2080 supers for $250 Canadian on FB marketplace which outperforms an RTX 4060 ($500 CAD) but can’t get access to frame gen. New gpus are so dog s*** price to performance man it’s actually a joke lmao
in third world countries 7700xt costs like 4060ti 16gb (sometimes even more) and 8gb 4060ti is much cheaper than both of them so there is no competitor in the price range of 4060ti 8gb except previous gen cards
7700xt smokes the the 4060 ti 16gb and is a lot cheaper, and this is without overclocking where the 7700xt will make the gap even bigger to a 4060ti oc
@@deviouslaw watch daniel owens review on the 2 and rx 6800 is better. And it is way cheaper in used market. 16gb vram > 12gb in 1440p ultra. This is facts
@@adlibconstitution1609 Dude just stop. Originally you say way better AND way cheaper (it's really not way cheaper either, costs about the same) now it's way better because it's cheaper? Or you could just admit the original comment is wrong.
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Why not spend $20 extra over a 40-60 ti and get a way faster card 7800 xt 16gb - (this WAS on the first page you displayed why not bring it into this?). don't award nvidia for a rubbish low end
I just love your video's Daniel - been in the tech game for many years, and you've become my favorite channel - always great information and SO well presented - Everyone needs a "Daniel" mouse pointer!!!
Get 8gig 4060ti if you hate yourself.
Couldn't say it better.
sold
Get Nvidia card under 700$ if you hate yourself or love CUDA
I have one in a laptop its okay for goofing off in blender or really old games but anything else and it hangs a lot. Even without Vram being full. I think I got a low bin impure chip.
@@Riyozsuchill 4070 super is not bad
Great video Daniel, I completely agree with your conclusions here.
Thanks!
Timestamp chapters seem to be broken for some reason, so here they are in a comment:
0:00 Intro, which GPU cooler models am I using?
0:50 These cards all have different VRAM amounts
1:35 All these cards were too expensive at launch, but prices have dropped
2:47 AMD also has 2 games bundled with the 7700 XT
3:35 The used market can actually be the best value- check out Jawa!
4:55 How to interpret the stats (Ghost of Tsushima 1080p Very High)
6:01 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High
6:27 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High DLSS3/FSR3 Q FG On
8:32 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High DLSS/FSR Q
8:57 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p High
9:24 Horizon Forbidden West 1080p Very High
9:50 Horizon Forbidden West 1080p High
10:15 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p Very High
10:41 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p Very High DLSS/FSR Q
11:08 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p High
11:33 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q
11:59 Hellblade 2 1080p High
12:26 Hellblade 2 1080p Medium
12:52 Hellblade 2 1440p High
13:18 Hellblade 2 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q
13:45 Hellblade 2 1440p Medium
14:10 Hellblade 2 1440p Medium DLSS/FSR Q
14:36 Avatar 1080p Ultra (Includes RT)
14:59 Avatar 1080p High (Includes RT)
15:25 Avatar 1440p Ultra (Includes RT)
15:51 Avatar 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q (Includes RT)
16:18 Avatar 1440p High (Includes RT)
16:44 Avatar 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q (Includes RT)
17:10 Alan Wake 2 1080p RT High DLSS/FSR Q
18:03 Alan Wake 2 1080p High
18:29 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS/FSR B
18:55 Alan Wake 2 1440p High
19:21 Alan Wake 2 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q
19:47 Cyberpunk 1080p RT Overdrive DLSS/FSR Q
20:13 Cyberpunk 1080p Ultra with RT Reflections
20:39 Cyberpunk 1080p Ultra
21:05 Cyberpunk 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS/FSR P
21:32 Cyberpunk 1440p Ultra with RT Reflections DLSS/FSR Q
21:57 Cyberpunk 1440p Ultra
22:23 Cyberpunk 1440p High
22:49 Resident Evil 4 1080p Max (Includes RT)
23:15 Resident Evil 4 1080p Prioritize Graphics
23:41 Resident Evil 4 1440p Max (Includes RT)
24:07 Resident Evil 4 1440p Prioritize Graphics
24:33 Starfield 1080p Ultra
25:00 Starfield 1440p Ultra
25:25 Starfield 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
25:51 Starfield 1440p Ultra DLSS3/FSR3 Q FG On
26:17 Call of Duty MW3 1080p Basic
26:43 Call of Duty MW3 1440p Basic
27:13 Final Thoughts
thank you so much
I bought the 7700 XT for 440 dollars on release date. I have not had a single issue with drivers and gaming as been good. Only Warzone and Cyberpunk have been hit and miss
Nobody actually plays cyberpunk anyways
@@turnip1744 Only when you're delusional to believe this*
@turnip1744 20k on steam right now = nobody?
I also got the 7700 xt, great card all in all but it does appear that certain dx9 games from 2008 era are broken with current drivers. Mirrors Edge just crashes the video driver when I try and get past the main menu. I’ve gotten it to work with DXVK, but that’s to be expected.
@@turnip1744 I think Cyberpunk is a brilliant game. Phantom Liberty was unbelievable, felt like a movie especially with good soundtrack. While it was ok and playable, it was not smooth sailing. Glad i finished it though, it was worth the price
4060 Ti 8 GB is in that sweet spot where it’s bad at everything.
😅 The bitter spot 😢
🤣
Lmao , and still here in 3rd world countries the green mindshare are insane
It does still have great power efficiency. The laptop version (which is misleadingly called the RTX 4070), is actually quite a good laptop graphics card. The GPU is clocked lower for better power and thermal efficiency, and with less GPU compute power, it makes more sense to turn settings down anyway, so you're not as likely to need more than 8GB of vram with the laptop version.
The desktop version is definitely a pretty bad card for most people, but for someone who lives in a region with a very high cost of electricity, who doesn't play any games which need more than 8GB of vram, it's an OKAY graphics card, but local pricing also matters a lot too.
The 16GB version is definitely better, but it does cost more, and while having more than 8GB of vram is useful, having more than 12GB of vram with this level of GPU compute power is going to be very overkill except for some very rare use cases. 12GB would have already been great with this level of GPU compute power (such as with the RX 6700 XT).
It's pretty obvious that the design choices were made to make it a good laptop graphics card. This was never going to be a good design for a desktop card. You've got one model with not enough vram, and the other one you're kinda over-paying for too much vram. If the power efficiency advantage doesn't matter much to you, AMD has some far superior options in the same price range, like the RX 7800 XT.
For people upgrading from GTX and RTX 2000 series entry level cards, these cards are great options. But if you have a 3000 series then probably skip the 4000 gen unless you are upgrading from entry to a higher tier card.
Agreed even more on 6000/7000 series. I upgraded from a 6700xt to a 7900xtx but if I was going to a 7700xt or even 7800xt it probably wouldn't have been worth it this generation
for people upgrading - just wait for RDNA 4
If there's one thing about the 40 series is being really efficient at power. The 6750 xt is great at $300 currently but it uses 200-250w of power.
@@mrman6035 efficient at power draw but not the wallet
AMD at least tries to offer good performance per dollar. Ngreedia is just screwing customers who want something cheaper than the XX90 cards.
Good call, my 3060TI is doing just fine.
nVidia needs to cancel 8GB VRAM on all 50 series cards !!! and make 16GB VRAM as standard !!
That's delusional af
Of course, after seeing your past history comment it seems you're just a clueless sheep who wants everything with unrealistic standard, like your take that 4099 should've been 1299$ 😂
I'd be happy if they have only one lower end card with 12GB (upper-low-end I guess you could call it). They've already made one upper-low-end card with 12GB (the original version of the RTX 3060). It would be great if they also made 16GB standard for at least two of their mid-range cards for the next generation.
Instead, we're likely going to have a 4060 ti successor, with one model with 8GB, and another very expensive model with 16GB, when 12GB would probably make the most sense (though a 16GB 5060 ti will probably make more sense than the 16GB version of the 4060 ti).
5050 8gb
5060 12gb
5060ti 16gb
Feel like those are the best vram amounts for both Nvidia and consumers
5050(if they make a 5050) doesn't need more than 8gb because it will probably not have much performance and won't be bottlenecked by vram
Also a 5050 should be aimed at 1080p high/ultra on many modern games(optimized games that are not a buggy mess)
A 5060 should be aimed at 1080p highest settings(high fps), or 1440p high/ultra settings
A 5060ti will obviously be better than a 5060(hopefully it isn't another 3060/3060ti situation)
@@Zvxers7 5050 - 6gb
5060 - 8gb/12gb
5070 - 12gb/16gb
5080 - 16gb/24gb
5090 - 24gb/24+gb
idk if thats fair or it makes sense at all but its just my opinion
As much as I love the 16Gb of vram in my 4060Ti for production work, I think the card would have been much better overall if it had a 192bit 12Gb GPU (and priced like the 8Gb version). It would probably be a better match for the 7700XT as well. I wonder if it's possible to cut down a 4070 with software to test that theory.
Yeah the RX7700 XT is by far the better option, it hits that memory capacity and performance to price perfectly
$400 value king segment is prob never coming back. People rode the 1070 for a LONG time, some still are.
Agrees in RX 470
Remember when upgrading and looking for graphics cards was fun?
Joke around this gen gpu also fun😂
the majority of gamers are buying cards in the 500 dollar range at best... they know they cant play with 4K at the at price point... but they just want a card that is solid in 1440. 7700XT is solid at 1440... you dont need to break the bank for more
You can play 4k cheap with upscaling especially if your tv already does it.
@@BlackJesus8463If you are fine with 60fps... I have a 7900XT and get 120fps with upscaling in several games. And those aren't even newer games. 7700XT would be a terrible choice for 4k, not to mention VRAM issues with newer games on UE5. Not to mention the cost of 4k monitors...
4k is very much possible for 500$ with upscaling. Especially if you consider used market. Just bought a 3080 for 450$ (with a warranty, otherwise it's 400$) and most games run at high-ultra with dlss quality (which looks the same as native to me). Some games like Allan wake 2 require dlss balanced (which still looks great and better than native 1440p imo. I personally can't tell it apart from native either but haven't looked side by side, just normally playing the game)
@@farmeunitunless you are very competitive fps gamer, a 4k qled tv is a better option than a monitor imo. They're like 400-500$ and you probably need a tv anyway, so it's not only for gaming. Led is also perfectly fine and is 300$
@@markojovanovic6928 Most TVs don't have the refresh rates of newer OLED monitors and very few are 32" or less. Good OLED monitors start at $1000 and go up. I still use a VA 165hz and it was $500 a year ago.
4060ti 16gb is the same price as rx 7800 xt now tho
watching this on my 1080Ti MSI Trio, still waiting for something i can upgrade to, it is pretty much same as 3060Ti +/- the only reasonable good options for me is 4080/90 but i dont feel like it just yet.
1:16 - This generally isn't true. As you noticed later (around 10:07 in the video), unless the game _deliberately limits_ "the highest settings" at those screen resolutions, the total amount of VRAM used is going to be practically the same regardless of your screen resolution. The vast majority of VRAM is going to be used to load *textures* and *models* (not for the framebuffer, which is the part that scales based on the _screen_ resolution).
If you choose "the highest settings" for texture resolution and model detail, then you're going to need more VRAM, even at 1920×1080 (because the texture and model data will be the same as if your screen was 4k). The difference is at 4k you also need significantly more memory *bandwidth* (so a 16 GB card with limited bandwidth can load the highest-resolution models and textures but will have trouble maintaining high frame rates at 4k). Those are separate bottlenecks, and some cards (like the 7600XT, and to a lesser extent the 7900GRE) avoid the former (that affects several Nvidia models) but still suffer from the latter.
Another option is the rx 6800 being slightly cheaper than the rx 7700 xt while having the same performance along with 16 gigs of RAM
could get an used one for 300 350 and at point , get a used 6800 xt for the 7700 xt price
True if your good with buying used
Not everyone trusts used cards. Or they want better efficiency and RT or newer features, etc.. Although 6800+ are great cards.
@@farmeunit i mean, i get the fear of that the gpu will explote lol but its really easy to check, mine was tested , check all the boxes ,also they change the thermal pads plus got 30 days to returned it is something wasnt right, for the price of a brand new 6600 xt i got a 6800 instead after suffering for like 7 years wiht a gtx 1050 notebook 💀
@@patozarantonello8572 Glad it worked for you. Lots of people got cards with missing memory thanks to miners that can't properly do it. Not to mention fans dying, etc.. Of course you can find good deals but you would make up the difference in energy costs over time, anyway, if buying a newer model.
4070TI is considered an upper-midrange GPU and is categorized as a 1440p GPU - but I've been enjoying its capability to render 4K High/Ultra @ 60fps or 4K low/medium @ beyond 60fps (both scenarios with DLSS and FG if available) on a 32" 4K 144hz IPS monitor with G-Sync.
current generation GPUs can't fight the bang for the buck value of the previous generation GPUs. 6800 XT for $400 and 3080 for $470? (I live in a country where GPU prices are more expensive than US prices)
yeah if u can even find 6000 series cards anymore that arent overpriced as fuck
6k overpriced and doesnt Support new tech.
I am in the UK, as much as I try Jawa does not ship outside the USA. If this is true please make this clear in your 'plug'. Other than that your content is interesting to me
man, i really love how u see this as a consumer and not bias at all for both gpu. thankyou for the effort.
Got my 6800xt last July for $450 - looking like a better deal day by day.
Seriously - so hard to even argue for an upgrade for myself when Blackwell comes around. Either the 5070 needs to be close to 4080 level of performance for $600-650 or 5080 needs to be close to 4090 level of performance for sub $1000. The 6800 Xt/7800 XT/7900 GRE are amazing value for the performance you get.
I would also bet Nvidia wont give 5070 better performance than 4070ti Super :/
@@coolumar335 no they wont bc that would already be like 25-30% performance increase which is a lot. (4070 Super is like 10-15% faster than 4070. And 4070ti Super is like 10-15% faster than 4070 Super. According to Techpowerup the 4070ti Super is even 36% faster. But I think thats also bc they test 4k as well, and there the 12gb VRAM of the 4070 can be a factor. But then they also have the 4070 Super as 16% faster than the 4070, so that gives credibility to the 36% of the 4070ti Super vs 4070.
my main rig has a 4080... but i do most of my gaming on my office rig...6800XT... very good card
@@PopePlatinumBeats why would you do that lmao the 4080 is over 50% faster in raster. In RT it will be WAY faster than "just" 50%, it could be a lot over 100% (probably several 100% in PT) faster in very heavy RT/PT. Also they pretty much use the same amount of power. (6800XT has 300watts TDP so who knows, maybe it uses more. The 4080 actually uses 250-280watts) So I dont see a single reason to use the 6800XT, when you have a 4080 lol
the only reason I can think of, is that your monitor is already maxed out by the 6800xt when playing without upscaling. But even then I dont see it, bc you could limit the 4080 and it would draw less power than the 6800XT for the same performance, as it already does anyways.
Price dropped.....only in America as usual. 4060ti are still sold at $700+ here in the Philippines
lenovo is selling 4070 ti super prebuilt pc at 4700 super prices in canada right now
I got a Sapphire Pulse 7700xt for ~$400 for my mATX Sleeper Build. It's pretty good for 1440p gaming! It's not perfect all of the time... but I'm happy with it.
Got the cheaper RX 6800 with 16GB for 380 instead. Really happy with it.
Best gaming GPU ever made
@@lupintheiii3055how so?
Kinda same boat here, I snatched a 6900xt(binned chip) for a great deal, not as great of a deal as you got but still slays anything without heavy ray tracing, couldn't be happier.
And then theres region pricing..
4060 Ti 16GB ~440$ - 460$ +
7700XT ~500$ - 550$ +
AMD price is always more expensive
just look at steam hardware survey top 20 not even a single AMD card lol
if its so good value people already bought them, its just non existent to most people
@@loucipher7782 nope where I live amd is cheaper than NVidia, but people are fanboys of Nvidia, no matter how expensive NVIDIA GPU is they still buy it, even if rtx 3050 is costing 500$ they will take it lol
Hello please do the comparison between the 7800 xt 4070 and 4060 ti 16 instead.
4060 Ti 16 GB is a nothing burger. Not needed.
@@nathanielchapman7675Hello Daniel said he is going to do a comparison of the 4060 ti 16 and 7800 xt. I just asked him if he has the chance and time to include the 4070 that is all. You should watch the video before commenting.
since when is a 4060ti midrange ?
its not low end nor high end...
@@memesaredreams3489it’s entry level
In the last 6 months there have been multiple price drop videos. But strangely the gpu prices are almost the same. Are the prices really dropping or are the videos a few months late? 🤔
Sure.. but look at the Watts :D It's a different tier... 220+W vs 130+W
well. It's more like 150 vs 220. that is 70W difference. That is as much as a good old fasion lightbulb. Whats your cost of electricity? Over here it's about 10cents pr KW/h at the most (right now it's about 2cents). You need to run The GPU at max load for 16 hours to reach 1KW/h. If you're gaming 1 hour a day, 365 days a year, that's about $2,50 saved. It only takes you 1 year. (well. 5 years with the prices as they are this days)
@@Audiosan79 i wasn't refering to the cost, but the ratio or % difference. I would have wanted to see how both GPUs would behave at the same max TDP of 130/150w.
That way you could extrapolate and see what the 4060 would be capable of at 220W Tdp. Just as a fun math exercise 😁
@@Audiosan79 its never about the cost of electricity lol
its about the psu and whats the best gpu you can put in it
psu cost just fly up after a certain wattage
@@loucipher7782 Yes. When you go over that magic 1000W mark, then the PSU cost flyes up. But we are far from that arn't we? TBH, you never need to go above 1000W.
@@Audiosan79 quite sure that mark starts at 650w. Otherwise everyone would be dumping in 1000w like its nothing instead of asking for psu advise everywhere and entire list of tested psu at the cultist dedicated to it, also not many 1000w on the good list either. So i dont know, do you even own a good 1000w psu yourself?
Could you test the 3060ti vs 4060ti? Is it still a negligible difference
There are several test of those allready…
@@haukionkannel ok but newer driver optimizations as well as trusting Daniel’s methodology more than others lol
Does anyone know if magpie has added frame generation just like lossless scaling? I'm on vacation with no computer so can't check it out for myself.
Measure the pc latency at 7700XT, you have enabled reflex on nvidia maps.
And for some of the higher prices on the 4060 TIs you can easily get even a 7900 GRE which is currently discounted highly, for even MORE performance gain.
AMD is easily the winner in Value:Performance, (even though I'm running a 3060TI after running a RX570)
Took a risk with bad drivers and just got the 7700xt(3x fans) for 476.69$ ... 4060ti 8gb(2x fans) was 458.79$...4060ti 16gb(2x fans) was 537.12$ ... 7800xt(3x fans) was 590.83$... 4070(2x fans) was 671.17$... mentioned the fans because in my country you have to pay like 10-15$ for 3 fans
Got a 7700 XT nitro+ for 314 GBP 390 USD and currently the card i got has dropped to £290 which is crazy thats 4060 - 7600 XT prices
Thinking about selling my 10400 6950xt 4k build and buying a 4070 ti or ti super to put in my 5600x build.
honestly am good with my RTX 3060 12gb and i will only upg anything above 4070 but only when they hit the prize of 300$ and that will prop be when the 50 series come out
The goal of upscaling and frame gen "features" is to give the GPU companies an excuse to offer less performance in their graphics cards. They wouldn't spend the resources creating features to help gamers - same way they won't lower prices to help gamers.
Why does no one on RUclips see or understand this? These "features"are actually a Trojan horse and their goal is to offer the bare minimum performance increase Gen on gen. Just look at these 3 cards and compare them to last Gen for proof 😂
I compared my Asus Dual 6700 XT with the 7700 XT on the Versus site. My card gets 66 points, the 7700 XT gets 68 points. That's almost nothing! The 7900 GRE gets 75 points and would be the best choice for me if I didn't already have a 6700 XT. You have to wait 2 generations to really get something better. This is a bad joke!
Upscaling and Framegen is good for people who want another extra fps but at the same power consumption
Would agree with you if you specifically mentioned nvidia. Amd giving everyone access to fsr and frame gen allowing the gtx 10 series to keep on chugging was good for players and not good for profit.
I think upscaling is good feature as on quality setting can get higher fps with similar image. But your right. Frame gen especially means hardware companies are not increasing hardware perf as much especially on low end (under $600).
That was the only way to get developers on board especially when nvidia gives out free engineering time to integrate their features in each game. AMD didn't have enough headcount to go that routeso they rely on opensource and documentation along with the carrot of supporting more legacy platforms as well as new.
just giving enough incentive for everyone to care. @@eric50gobucks
People look at the 4090 and think Nvidia makes the best cards. Until AMD can compete at that level Nvidia will always be #1. And it won't be close.
AMD isnt bad just because Nvidia is better.
Just noticed that the Avatar 1440p ultra RT bench was reporting higher 1%lows than average FPS. Switched? 15:27
The 7700xt for like $370 is a good successor to a 6700xt now that you can't get those
is the 7800xt not kinda midrange? i have one, yeah 4k kinda but you wanna be running 1440p rasterised and 1080p RT. Here you end up paying the same for a 16 gig 4060ti
There's no logical reason why the 4060ti isn't 12GB. This card is an awesome card but being held back from the lack of VRAM is unacceptable.
The logical reason is look at what NVidia did with last gen and this gen. People still buy them.
Been so disinterested for so long that I have already bought and finished all the games on console that I was planning to play with the new cards!
And saved a ton of cash doing it. ty.
Why i want dlss if the 7700xt can deliver the same or even more fps in native vs dlss quality on the 4060ti?????? And now, somebody tell me dlss quality looks better than native 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂☠️
DLSS is better 33% of the time and worse 33%, the same 34%
Taa is just dogshit and that's why dlss quality looks in many time ls better or the same as native.
If you used an rtx card you would know.
@@ferasnj5769 Dont use TAA, you have a lot of a AA, wtf saied TAA=Native? and if your game only have TAA, in the amd driver and Nvidia yoou can change the AA config.
@@BlackJesus8463 It depends if the native TAA on the game is TAA or SMAAX2 or something like, but it doesn´t matters bcs you can change that from the driver.
@@robinrufino8244 they're all shit compared to DLAA. i told u once u see how good the AA component of DLSS From rtx cards u will never go back to fsr/taa/smaax2.
So u either get the superior AA without the upscaler and extra performance, or u get both.
i dont know if someone is buying the most expensive 4060ti 16gb for gaming when u can get 7700xt for less than 25% cheaper and 25-30% faster with 2 games included. that will be the worst choice ever
As someone with an AMD desktop and Nvidia laptop, these comparisons really should be pitting DLSS Balanced against FSR quality or ultra quality. Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they look the same. IQ definitely is less stable with FSR, and I notice frustrations even on ultra quality at 1440p.
Using teck power up and the Radeon RX 7700 XT as the base line
100% Radeon RX 7700 XT cost $374.99 / 107% GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16GB cost $449.99 / 121% Radeon RX 7800 XT Cost $479.99
So I do think if you looking at getting the RTX 4060 Ti 16GB it would also look at the RX 7800 XT as cost is only an extra $30 bucks and for that you getting an extra +14% perfromace so yes I am intrested
I got the 7700 XT for 200 less than the 7800, and with AMD cards they tend to improve over time with drivers and improvements
I OCed my 7700 XT easily and it runs like a beast and I get the FPS of a 7800 no problem
just sold my 7 years old 2060 for $121 and get 4060 ti 16gb for $410, and I felt its worth it, I really aim for the frame gen of dlss3 even tho i'm playing at 1080, so theres no reason for not using it if the game provides it, i'm also a creator so I guess, its preferable to bought nvida card over amd, it all thanks to your review! Cheers!
for todays game 16gb doesnt really need it yet, but maybe for the future if 12gb is the new low, at least frame gen still can helps a bit along with the extra vram
NIce review Daniel. Although I wish you would also include benchmark tests with flight and racing simulators (such as Microsoft Flight Simulator and Dirt Rally 2.0 or Assetto Corsa Competizione). Even thought these games may not be in the same sphere as the Unreal 5.0 engine games, they are valid to me. Thanks for everything you do!
Same here, but I'm guessing these games would do very well. But it's only a guess, maybe maybe not
MSFT Flight sim and ACC benchmarks results are part of Hardware Unboxed benchmark suite.
HUB releases the aggregate/ geo mean results along with VS comparison in their Videos to avoid viewer benchmark chart fatigue.
If you are a supporter on thier patreon then you get access to all the data.
Dirt Rally 2.0 runs on everything usually Digital Foundry uses that game in their reviews.
I think Forza franchise is covered by everyone.
with regard to ACC I wish someone benchmark the game with most popular mods in that game
This shows that the 4060ti is barely better than a 4060ti and behind a 3070 while the 7700xt gives you 6800 level of performance but both charge a similar price
i5 12400f with rx 7700 xt Or ryzen 5 5700f with rtx 4060 ti 8gb only play for 1080p.i have this two only choice please reply
bro mention pricing too and country where you are making the purchase?
someone might be able to suggest better alternatives or builds.
@@tanmaypanadi1414 Bangkok rtx 4060 ti 8gb is 80 to 90 dollars cheaper than rx 7700 xt.
wtf is a 5700f
I got the 7700xt 4 months ago and absolutely love it. I don't think anyone buying in this price bracket should be thinking of RT anyway. Love your videos, the information is brilliant. Cheers. 👍
4060 ti is nivida biggest shame, rx 7700 xt is just a Next tier card
15:30 1% Lows seem wrong, they are the same as in the previous test.
Prices i. 7700xt and 4060ti 16gb are too close here where i live… no shure clear winner. Just running from 8-12gb
where i live it's
4060: 315€
4060ti 8gb: 400€
7700xt: 460€
i thought amd would be obvious for budget build but surprisingly their budget game is kinda weak. very few scenarios in which 8gb isn't enough and the amd is pulling like 100 more watts and has small market share so games optimize for nvidia. very split rn, if amd had no downsides i would tkae the hit of 150€ but 4060 seems like the best deal
The 4060ti 8GB is the best 4050ti ever made, hands down 🙌
how about a used 3060 Ti for like 220 euros on ebay? i wanna replace my old 1060 6gb on a budget but all new stuff on a budget is trash value and come with 8 PCIE lanes even the 3050 8gb. I also have b 450 board with 3.0 PCIE 16x lanes so only like 3060 12 gb, 3060 Ti and Intel arc 750/580 would make sense in the price bracket 190-250 euro since i also wanna stream on twitch
Hi daniel, if you've ever got the time, I wonder if you'd be able to do stable diffusion on amd's gpu and nvidia as a comparison ... I've been wanting to get into AI, but I find Nvidia's products way too pricey for the cudas ...
i love listening to this dude yap about gpus
Can't wait to see the RX 7800xt vs RTX 4070Ti 16GB " head-to-head " when you get it posted!
Why would 7800xt compared to 4070ti?? Price different are not making sense. At 4070ti you got 7900xt
The 4060ti-16 can often be used with framegen in RT settings, but yet you do not show it. Which makes this video bogus.
To better showcase vram overflow you can enable the shared vram metric in afterburner
I can see some people getting a midrange 7700XT or 7800XT (have one). It's not my main GPU but I did daily driver for a while. If the price is right, well I can see the 7700XT making more sense now than at launch. If you don't have a 12gb one it is a nice step up from 8gb/less GPUs. 8gb on the Ti for that price range still seems like a cash grab.
3060 ti was such a good value. But this generation, it performs almost the exact same and didn’t drop the price at all.
In my country 4060ti(8GB)/7700XT/4060ti(16GB) are priced around 370/400/430 usd. I would say that's very precisely set prices, but are still all too high....
i grabbed my 7700xt for 386 dollars and the card is pretty grand for the value in my opinion. I have it paired to a 7500F that i got for 135 dollars(20 bucks for a cooler) and nvidia options in this price range are nowhere near the level of performance I got out of my system
I strongly disagree with you Daniel, most of the gpus you show that are currently going below the msrp are really entry level AIB after market crappy models such as pny and other entry level varients such as ventus 2x model cards. These cards often lack the proper cooling and noise decibel range for comfortable gaming. If you can get a 400$ asus tuf or strix variant of 4060ti 16GB for instance then I'd call it a proper cost cut value for money worthy gpu.
great video, im gonna get the 4060 ti 16gb since the 7700xt is more expensive at my place
Recently bought 7700xt but stuck with old i5 3330 for now.. Cpu bottleneck Sucks.. 😅 will need to spend 600$ or so to upgrade old setup..
7700xt is $540-ish where I live. Wtf
Both 4060 Ti are a joke, 7700 XT is decent. Chilling with a used 6800 XT, probably the best kauf I've done in years.
the best *kauf* I've done in years
I've read that with the most snobbish voice one could ever imagine
the best *покупка* I've done in years
the best *購買* I've done in years
the best *achat* I've done in years
Like, wtf, have you consumed too much classical literature about インテリ?
schizo
@@Hito343 what a bummer, you're no fun
@@DoofusLoopus It's just a bit of vocabulary picked by from reading the follow up book to Marx' "Das Kapital": "Mein Kauf"
@@adriankoch964 comment of the day! :D
I didn't see one 7700 XT for sell on Amazon for 375.00- cheapest was 396.00
newegg has one for 375.00
Prices can change hourly.
They use sales/inventory algorithm's to set pricing.
Unless they are private sales.
So it's a game of when you hit the "Put in cart" button exit routine.
8:13 - I tried pausing on different frames and (at least after RUclips's compression) there doesn't seem to be a clear winner. On some frames of that scene FSR looks better, on others DLSS looks better.
In my experience, FSR seems to try to preserve more detail but the end result looks "noisier", while DLSS looks blurrier but that hides the artefacts better.
Either way, 2D rescaling and frame interpolation are mostly cheap ways for manufacturers to pretend this card generation is significantly faster than the previous one when it isn't, and I would never base my decisions on tests with post scaling (or even worse, frame interpolation) enabled.
RX 6800 for $370 is a great deal right now.
and has more vram, bandwiht and its more efficient, cheaper, honestly i dont get who its the 7700 xt for.
@@patozarantonello8572 it's not more efficient lol. 6000 cards don't report total draw. 7000 series is newer and has a way better chance of getting fsr4 (6000 cards will most likely have to use a fallback that will either degrade the visuals or the performance)
Out of amusement, when i see these "GPU Price Drop" videos, I check the prices to see if there are any, and usually there aren't. This time, though, there is one drop. The 4060 Ti 8GB is down $2 from my last check, thought it is still $3 higher than it was this spring. Maybe we'll see some price drops when we start seeing the next generation cards coming out, but I'm not holding my breath.
No price drops in my region India ever infact amd card are more expensive 😢 7700xt is minimum 450$, 4060ti 8gb - 423$, and 16gb- 520$ 4070 starts from 630$
Amd cards have always been more expensive here. At 29k, the 4060 is a pretty good deal specially if you are upgrading from a pre 3000 series card at entry level.
You don't know how much I wanted 4060ti and 3060ti to be 12gb cards@@Hey1234Hey
dollar sign goes before the number ie $450
@@laynemccormic9102 okay nerd let me write this important information
If you dont care about high end RT implementations that you wouldn't realistically run much on this hardware class anyway, the 7700 XT is better and it isn't really a competition. Currently it's even priced around the level of the 8gb 4060 Ti. FSR 3.1 and mods are more than usable, and XeSS can be an option, and UE5 Software RT and low-middle end RT implementations run fine.
honestly.... I've got a 3800x pc with no gpu in it, sure i could slap a 5800x3d and 7900xt/xtx in buuuut nahhh, im going to just choose to stay low end till generational increases are big enough
sticking with my 2700x and 1650 pc till the wheels fall off lmao
I replaced my good old GTX 1070 after 8 years. And i did go to the GTX 4060 Ti 16GB despite everyone and their brother blasting this card. Why?
Because i have a 1080p monitor. And a 550 W PSU. Everything more powerful would require replacing these two things as well. That would be a huge premium on top of an already very expensive GPU.
Performance wise the 4060 Ti is more than twice as fast as the 1070, so no complaints on that side. It absolutely shines with Automatic1111, where the 1070 really struggled. RAM is King and nVidia rocks the AI boat. The next feasible GPU for AI-Workloads would be the 4070 TI Super, but that thing is way to expensive.
I really hope, Intel shakes up the market. AMD and nVidia really DO need to get down from their high horses.
So the nvidia 30xx and AMD 6000 series has going out of market so they can reduce prices of current gen…
dude, I JUST bought a 4060ti 16GB a few weeks ago, it's the Steam Deck all over again for me ;(
the 6800 is the only right option
If you want to save money and have frame generation... Buy a 7700XT and buy Lossless Scaling for like 3$... frame generation on any game. With 12gb of vram you'll be good for a long time since developper wont increase vram amounts until at least next gen consoles are out + 1-2 years so like 2029-2030. Or wait for RDNA4, it will have way better raytracing and probably be in the same price ballpark than current RDNA3 prices with same or more vram than now.
AMD doesnt need framegen. Thats the whole point of going AMD.
The best
look at the frametime graph on rx 7700 xt when using FSR3 FG not smooth as on nvidia, so what is the point of get higher FPS but doesn't feel smooth at all, AMD please fix this
That's because Afterburner can't read FSR3 FG correctly, the game run fine
@@lupintheiii3055 I've compared my 7900 GRE with my friend 4060 laptop in this game and fsr3 fg doesn't feel smooth as dlss3 fg even with gsync/freesync
Interesting to see,for a game that can eat over 13GB - 14GB Vram actually performs pretty well on the 7700xt with only 12GB Vram → 23:50 🙄
Don't see any huge frame time spikes / very low 1% fps there ↑.. Yet 😱h😱h , the low Vram cards 🙄
And B. an 4060ti isn't a true 1440p gpu to begin with, Just like a 4070/4070ti isn't a true 4K gpu .. realy ..
Been noticing the work you've been putting these past few days. I look forward to these types of videos you make. Anything that I'm curious about and you've already made a video on it.
I am waiting for Black Friday to see what I can get from RDNA 3 side. And if by that time AMD announces RDNA 4 then maybe wait for it. I am skipping NVIDIA this time. I am currently on a 4060 Ti because... Just because. LOL.
I went with a used 6700XT for $250 free shipping from eBay last year. I promptly overclocked it to slightly faster speed than the 6750XT then maxed the memory to 2150MHz limit and added a -100mv under volt. At those settings it matched the then $500 4060Ti 16GB on average. Still a great deal right now for high quality 1080p gaming and the 6800XT as well for more consistent 1440p in new games.
Review as this that justify all price and performance create the market we are today! Is cheapper and perform better.....is not difficult!!!
But nobody will buy AMD anyway. At this point AMD would have to throw in a free car to turn the market share around on GPUs.
There’s a plethora of mint condition RTX 2080 supers for $250 Canadian on FB marketplace which outperforms an RTX 4060 ($500 CAD) but can’t get access to frame gen. New gpus are so dog s*** price to performance man it’s actually a joke lmao
An $200 Rx 6600 is better.
in third world countries 7700xt costs like 4060ti 16gb (sometimes even more) and 8gb 4060ti is much cheaper than both of them so there is no competitor in the price range of 4060ti 8gb except previous gen cards
7700xt smokes the the 4060 ti 16gb and is a lot cheaper, and this is without overclocking where the 7700xt will make the gap even bigger to a 4060ti oc
Rx 6800 16 gb is way better than these 3 and cheaper
"way better" is a weird way to say nearly the same as a 7700xt. With more vram but a slightly worse feature set.
@@deviouslaw watch daniel owens review on the 2 and rx 6800 is better. And it is way cheaper in used market. 16gb vram > 12gb in 1440p ultra. This is facts
@@adlibconstitution1609 it's just not way better. It's very very similar performance and that is an established fact.
@@deviouslaw It's way cheaper hence its way better. And more vram which is very good in 1440p. 12gb will not be enough in 2024-2025 in 1440p
@@adlibconstitution1609 Dude just stop. Originally you say way better AND way cheaper (it's really not way cheaper either, costs about the same) now it's way better because it's cheaper? Or you could just admit the original comment is wrong.
7800xt is only 70usd higher than 7700xt in China.