Why not spend $20 extra over a 40-60 ti and get a way faster card 7800 xt 16gb - (this WAS on the first page you displayed why not bring it into this?). don't award nvidia for a rubbish low end
I just love your video's Daniel - been in the tech game for many years, and you've become my favorite channel - always great information and SO well presented - Everyone needs a "Daniel" mouse pointer!!!
Timestamp chapters seem to be broken for some reason, so here they are in a comment: 0:00 Intro, which GPU cooler models am I using? 0:50 These cards all have different VRAM amounts 1:35 All these cards were too expensive at launch, but prices have dropped 2:47 AMD also has 2 games bundled with the 7700 XT 3:35 The used market can actually be the best value- check out Jawa! 4:55 How to interpret the stats (Ghost of Tsushima 1080p Very High) 6:01 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High 6:27 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High DLSS3/FSR3 Q FG On 8:32 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High DLSS/FSR Q 8:57 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p High 9:24 Horizon Forbidden West 1080p Very High 9:50 Horizon Forbidden West 1080p High 10:15 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p Very High 10:41 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p Very High DLSS/FSR Q 11:08 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p High 11:33 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q 11:59 Hellblade 2 1080p High 12:26 Hellblade 2 1080p Medium 12:52 Hellblade 2 1440p High 13:18 Hellblade 2 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q 13:45 Hellblade 2 1440p Medium 14:10 Hellblade 2 1440p Medium DLSS/FSR Q 14:36 Avatar 1080p Ultra (Includes RT) 14:59 Avatar 1080p High (Includes RT) 15:25 Avatar 1440p Ultra (Includes RT) 15:51 Avatar 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q (Includes RT) 16:18 Avatar 1440p High (Includes RT) 16:44 Avatar 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q (Includes RT) 17:10 Alan Wake 2 1080p RT High DLSS/FSR Q 18:03 Alan Wake 2 1080p High 18:29 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS/FSR B 18:55 Alan Wake 2 1440p High 19:21 Alan Wake 2 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q 19:47 Cyberpunk 1080p RT Overdrive DLSS/FSR Q 20:13 Cyberpunk 1080p Ultra with RT Reflections 20:39 Cyberpunk 1080p Ultra 21:05 Cyberpunk 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS/FSR P 21:32 Cyberpunk 1440p Ultra with RT Reflections DLSS/FSR Q 21:57 Cyberpunk 1440p Ultra 22:23 Cyberpunk 1440p High 22:49 Resident Evil 4 1080p Max (Includes RT) 23:15 Resident Evil 4 1080p Prioritize Graphics 23:41 Resident Evil 4 1440p Max (Includes RT) 24:07 Resident Evil 4 1440p Prioritize Graphics 24:33 Starfield 1080p Ultra 25:00 Starfield 1440p Ultra 25:25 Starfield 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q 25:51 Starfield 1440p Ultra DLSS3/FSR3 Q FG On 26:17 Call of Duty MW3 1080p Basic 26:43 Call of Duty MW3 1440p Basic 27:13 Final Thoughts
I have one in a laptop its okay for goofing off in blender or really old games but anything else and it hangs a lot. Even without Vram being full. I think I got a low bin impure chip.
It does still have great power efficiency. The laptop version (which is misleadingly called the RTX 4070), is actually quite a good laptop graphics card. The GPU is clocked lower for better power and thermal efficiency, and with less GPU compute power, it makes more sense to turn settings down anyway, so you're not as likely to need more than 8GB of vram with the laptop version. The desktop version is definitely a pretty bad card for most people, but for someone who lives in a region with a very high cost of electricity, who doesn't play any games which need more than 8GB of vram, it's an OKAY graphics card, but local pricing also matters a lot too. The 16GB version is definitely better, but it does cost more, and while having more than 8GB of vram is useful, having more than 12GB of vram with this level of GPU compute power is going to be very overkill except for some very rare use cases. 12GB would have already been great with this level of GPU compute power (such as with the RX 6700 XT). It's pretty obvious that the design choices were made to make it a good laptop graphics card. This was never going to be a good design for a desktop card. You've got one model with not enough vram, and the other one you're kinda over-paying for too much vram. If the power efficiency advantage doesn't matter much to you, AMD has some far superior options in the same price range, like the RX 7800 XT.
For people upgrading from GTX and RTX 2000 series entry level cards, these cards are great options. But if you have a 3000 series then probably skip the 4000 gen unless you are upgrading from entry to a higher tier card.
Agreed even more on 6000/7000 series. I upgraded from a 6700xt to a 7900xtx but if I was going to a 7700xt or even 7800xt it probably wouldn't have been worth it this generation
@@mrman6035 efficient at power draw but not the wallet AMD at least tries to offer good performance per dollar. Ngreedia is just screwing customers who want something cheaper than the XX90 cards.
Of course, after seeing your past history comment it seems you're just a clueless sheep who wants everything with unrealistic standard, like your take that 4099 should've been 1299$ 😂
I'd be happy if they have only one lower end card with 12GB (upper-low-end I guess you could call it). They've already made one upper-low-end card with 12GB (the original version of the RTX 3060). It would be great if they also made 16GB standard for at least two of their mid-range cards for the next generation. Instead, we're likely going to have a 4060 ti successor, with one model with 8GB, and another very expensive model with 16GB, when 12GB would probably make the most sense (though a 16GB 5060 ti will probably make more sense than the 16GB version of the 4060 ti).
5050 8gb 5060 12gb 5060ti 16gb Feel like those are the best vram amounts for both Nvidia and consumers 5050(if they make a 5050) doesn't need more than 8gb because it will probably not have much performance and won't be bottlenecked by vram Also a 5050 should be aimed at 1080p high/ultra on many modern games(optimized games that are not a buggy mess) A 5060 should be aimed at 1080p highest settings(high fps), or 1440p high/ultra settings A 5060ti will obviously be better than a 5060(hopefully it isn't another 3060/3060ti situation)
@@Zvxers7 5050 - 6gb 5060 - 8gb/12gb 5070 - 12gb/16gb 5080 - 16gb/24gb 5090 - 24gb/24+gb idk if thats fair or it makes sense at all but its just my opinion
I bought the 7700 XT for 440 dollars on release date. I have not had a single issue with drivers and gaming as been good. Only Warzone and Cyberpunk have been hit and miss
I also got the 7700 xt, great card all in all but it does appear that certain dx9 games from 2008 era are broken with current drivers. Mirrors Edge just crashes the video driver when I try and get past the main menu. I’ve gotten it to work with DXVK, but that’s to be expected.
@@turnip1744 I think Cyberpunk is a brilliant game. Phantom Liberty was unbelievable, felt like a movie especially with good soundtrack. While it was ok and playable, it was not smooth sailing. Glad i finished it though, it was worth the price
AMD price is always more expensive just look at steam hardware survey top 20 not even a single AMD card lol if its so good value people already bought them, its just non existent to most people
watching this on my 1080Ti MSI Trio, still waiting for something i can upgrade to, it is pretty much same as 3060Ti +/- the only reasonable good options for me is 4080/90 but i dont feel like it just yet.
I got the 7700 XT for 200 less than the 7800, and with AMD cards they tend to improve over time with drivers and improvements I OCed my 7700 XT easily and it runs like a beast and I get the FPS of a 7800 no problem
I am in the UK, as much as I try Jawa does not ship outside the USA. If this is true please make this clear in your 'plug'. Other than that your content is interesting to me
4070TI is considered an upper-midrange GPU and is categorized as a 1440p GPU - but I've been enjoying its capability to render 4K High/Ultra @ 60fps or 4K low/medium @ beyond 60fps (both scenarios with DLSS and FG if available) on a 32" 4K 144hz IPS monitor with G-Sync.
In the last 6 months there have been multiple price drop videos. But strangely the gpu prices are almost the same. Are the prices really dropping or are the videos a few months late? 🤔
I got a Sapphire Pulse 7700xt for ~$400 for my mATX Sleeper Build. It's pretty good for 1440p gaming! It's not perfect all of the time... but I'm happy with it.
the majority of gamers are buying cards in the 500 dollar range at best... they know they cant play with 4K at the at price point... but they just want a card that is solid in 1440. 7700XT is solid at 1440... you dont need to break the bank for more
@@BlackJesus8463If you are fine with 60fps... I have a 7900XT and get 120fps with upscaling in several games. And those aren't even newer games. 7700XT would be a terrible choice for 4k, not to mention VRAM issues with newer games on UE5. Not to mention the cost of 4k monitors...
4k is very much possible for 500$ with upscaling. Especially if you consider used market. Just bought a 3080 for 450$ (with a warranty, otherwise it's 400$) and most games run at high-ultra with dlss quality (which looks the same as native to me). Some games like Allan wake 2 require dlss balanced (which still looks great and better than native 1440p imo. I personally can't tell it apart from native either but haven't looked side by side, just normally playing the game)
@@farmeunitunless you are very competitive fps gamer, a 4k qled tv is a better option than a monitor imo. They're like 400-500$ and you probably need a tv anyway, so it's not only for gaming. Led is also perfectly fine and is 300$
@@markojovanovic6928 Most TVs don't have the refresh rates of newer OLED monitors and very few are 32" or less. Good OLED monitors start at $1000 and go up. I still use a VA 165hz and it was $500 a year ago.
I got the 7700xt 4 months ago and absolutely love it. I don't think anyone buying in this price bracket should be thinking of RT anyway. Love your videos, the information is brilliant. Cheers. 👍
1:16 - This generally isn't true. As you noticed later (around 10:07 in the video), unless the game _deliberately limits_ "the highest settings" at those screen resolutions, the total amount of VRAM used is going to be practically the same regardless of your screen resolution. The vast majority of VRAM is going to be used to load *textures* and *models* (not for the framebuffer, which is the part that scales based on the _screen_ resolution). If you choose "the highest settings" for texture resolution and model detail, then you're going to need more VRAM, even at 1920×1080 (because the texture and model data will be the same as if your screen was 4k). The difference is at 4k you also need significantly more memory *bandwidth* (so a 16 GB card with limited bandwidth can load the highest-resolution models and textures but will have trouble maintaining high frame rates at 4k). Those are separate bottlenecks, and some cards (like the 7600XT, and to a lesser extent the 7900GRE) avoid the former (that affects several Nvidia models) but still suffer from the latter.
Seriously - so hard to even argue for an upgrade for myself when Blackwell comes around. Either the 5070 needs to be close to 4080 level of performance for $600-650 or 5080 needs to be close to 4090 level of performance for sub $1000. The 6800 Xt/7800 XT/7900 GRE are amazing value for the performance you get.
@@coolumar335 no they wont bc that would already be like 25-30% performance increase which is a lot. (4070 Super is like 10-15% faster than 4070. And 4070ti Super is like 10-15% faster than 4070 Super. According to Techpowerup the 4070ti Super is even 36% faster. But I think thats also bc they test 4k as well, and there the 12gb VRAM of the 4070 can be a factor. But then they also have the 4070 Super as 16% faster than the 4070, so that gives credibility to the 36% of the 4070ti Super vs 4070.
@@PopePlatinumBeats why would you do that lmao the 4080 is over 50% faster in raster. In RT it will be WAY faster than "just" 50%, it could be a lot over 100% (probably several 100% in PT) faster in very heavy RT/PT. Also they pretty much use the same amount of power. (6800XT has 300watts TDP so who knows, maybe it uses more. The 4080 actually uses 250-280watts) So I dont see a single reason to use the 6800XT, when you have a 4080 lol the only reason I can think of, is that your monitor is already maxed out by the 6800xt when playing without upscaling. But even then I dont see it, bc you could limit the 4080 and it would draw less power than the 6800XT for the same performance, as it already does anyways.
honestly am good with my RTX 3060 12gb and i will only upg anything above 4070 but only when they hit the prize of 300$ and that will prop be when the 50 series come out
Kinda same boat here, I snatched a 6900xt(binned chip) for a great deal, not as great of a deal as you got but still slays anything without heavy ray tracing, couldn't be happier.
well. It's more like 150 vs 220. that is 70W difference. That is as much as a good old fasion lightbulb. Whats your cost of electricity? Over here it's about 10cents pr KW/h at the most (right now it's about 2cents). You need to run The GPU at max load for 16 hours to reach 1KW/h. If you're gaming 1 hour a day, 365 days a year, that's about $2,50 saved. It only takes you 1 year. (well. 5 years with the prices as they are this days)
@@Audiosan79 i wasn't refering to the cost, but the ratio or % difference. I would have wanted to see how both GPUs would behave at the same max TDP of 130/150w. That way you could extrapolate and see what the 4060 would be capable of at 220W Tdp. Just as a fun math exercise 😁
@@Audiosan79 its never about the cost of electricity lol its about the psu and whats the best gpu you can put in it psu cost just fly up after a certain wattage
@@loucipher7782 Yes. When you go over that magic 1000W mark, then the PSU cost flyes up. But we are far from that arn't we? TBH, you never need to go above 1000W.
@@Audiosan79 quite sure that mark starts at 650w. Otherwise everyone would be dumping in 1000w like its nothing instead of asking for psu advise everywhere and entire list of tested psu at the cultist dedicated to it, also not many 1000w on the good list either. So i dont know, do you even own a good 1000w psu yourself?
Using teck power up and the Radeon RX 7700 XT as the base line 100% Radeon RX 7700 XT cost $374.99 / 107% GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16GB cost $449.99 / 121% Radeon RX 7800 XT Cost $479.99 So I do think if you looking at getting the RTX 4060 Ti 16GB it would also look at the RX 7800 XT as cost is only an extra $30 bucks and for that you getting an extra +14% perfromace so yes I am intrested
Took a risk with bad drivers and just got the 7700xt(3x fans) for 476.69$ ... 4060ti 8gb(2x fans) was 458.79$...4060ti 16gb(2x fans) was 537.12$ ... 7800xt(3x fans) was 590.83$... 4070(2x fans) was 671.17$... mentioned the fans because in my country you have to pay like 10-15$ for 3 fans
The goal of upscaling and frame gen "features" is to give the GPU companies an excuse to offer less performance in their graphics cards. They wouldn't spend the resources creating features to help gamers - same way they won't lower prices to help gamers. Why does no one on RUclips see or understand this? These "features"are actually a Trojan horse and their goal is to offer the bare minimum performance increase Gen on gen. Just look at these 3 cards and compare them to last Gen for proof 😂
I compared my Asus Dual 6700 XT with the 7700 XT on the Versus site. My card gets 66 points, the 7700 XT gets 68 points. That's almost nothing! The 7900 GRE gets 75 points and would be the best choice for me if I didn't already have a 6700 XT. You have to wait 2 generations to really get something better. This is a bad joke!
Would agree with you if you specifically mentioned nvidia. Amd giving everyone access to fsr and frame gen allowing the gtx 10 series to keep on chugging was good for players and not good for profit.
I think upscaling is good feature as on quality setting can get higher fps with similar image. But your right. Frame gen especially means hardware companies are not increasing hardware perf as much especially on low end (under $600).
That was the only way to get developers on board especially when nvidia gives out free engineering time to integrate their features in each game. AMD didn't have enough headcount to go that routeso they rely on opensource and documentation along with the carrot of supporting more legacy platforms as well as new. just giving enough incentive for everyone to care. @@eric50gobucks
Out of amusement, when i see these "GPU Price Drop" videos, I check the prices to see if there are any, and usually there aren't. This time, though, there is one drop. The 4060 Ti 8GB is down $2 from my last check, thought it is still $3 higher than it was this spring. Maybe we'll see some price drops when we start seeing the next generation cards coming out, but I'm not holding my breath.
I can see some people getting a midrange 7700XT or 7800XT (have one). It's not my main GPU but I did daily driver for a while. If the price is right, well I can see the 7700XT making more sense now than at launch. If you don't have a 12gb one it is a nice step up from 8gb/less GPUs. 8gb on the Ti for that price range still seems like a cash grab.
i dont know if someone is buying the most expensive 4060ti 16gb for gaming when u can get 7700xt for less than 25% cheaper and 25-30% faster with 2 games included. that will be the worst choice ever
Why i want dlss if the 7700xt can deliver the same or even more fps in native vs dlss quality on the 4060ti?????? And now, somebody tell me dlss quality looks better than native 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂☠️
@@ferasnj5769 Dont use TAA, you have a lot of a AA, wtf saied TAA=Native? and if your game only have TAA, in the amd driver and Nvidia yoou can change the AA config.
@@BlackJesus8463 It depends if the native TAA on the game is TAA or SMAAX2 or something like, but it doesn´t matters bcs you can change that from the driver.
@@robinrufino8244 they're all shit compared to DLAA. i told u once u see how good the AA component of DLSS From rtx cards u will never go back to fsr/taa/smaax2. So u either get the superior AA without the upscaler and extra performance, or u get both.
Hi daniel, if you've ever got the time, I wonder if you'd be able to do stable diffusion on amd's gpu and nvidia as a comparison ... I've been wanting to get into AI, but I find Nvidia's products way too pricey for the cudas ...
I strongly disagree with you Daniel, most of the gpus you show that are currently going below the msrp are really entry level AIB after market crappy models such as pny and other entry level varients such as ventus 2x model cards. These cards often lack the proper cooling and noise decibel range for comfortable gaming. If you can get a 400$ asus tuf or strix variant of 4060ti 16GB for instance then I'd call it a proper cost cut value for money worthy gpu.
@@nathanielchapman7675Hello Daniel said he is going to do a comparison of the 4060 ti 16 and 7800 xt. I just asked him if he has the chance and time to include the 4070 that is all. You should watch the video before commenting.
Been noticing the work you've been putting these past few days. I look forward to these types of videos you make. Anything that I'm curious about and you've already made a video on it.
In my country 4060ti(8GB)/7700XT/4060ti(16GB) are priced around 370/400/430 usd. I would say that's very precisely set prices, but are still all too high....
where i live it's 4060: 315€ 4060ti 8gb: 400€ 7700xt: 460€ i thought amd would be obvious for budget build but surprisingly their budget game is kinda weak. very few scenarios in which 8gb isn't enough and the amd is pulling like 100 more watts and has small market share so games optimize for nvidia. very split rn, if amd had no downsides i would tkae the hit of 150€ but 4060 seems like the best deal
how about a used 3060 Ti for like 220 euros on ebay? i wanna replace my old 1060 6gb on a budget but all new stuff on a budget is trash value and come with 8 PCIE lanes even the 3050 8gb. I also have b 450 board with 3.0 PCIE 16x lanes so only like 3060 12 gb, 3060 Ti and Intel arc 750/580 would make sense in the price bracket 190-250 euro since i also wanna stream on twitch
is the 7800xt not kinda midrange? i have one, yeah 4k kinda but you wanna be running 1440p rasterised and 1080p RT. Here you end up paying the same for a 16 gig 4060ti
And for some of the higher prices on the 4060 TIs you can easily get even a 7900 GRE which is currently discounted highly, for even MORE performance gain. AMD is easily the winner in Value:Performance, (even though I'm running a 3060TI after running a RX570)
If you want to save money and have frame generation... Buy a 7700XT and buy Lossless Scaling for like 3$... frame generation on any game. With 12gb of vram you'll be good for a long time since developper wont increase vram amounts until at least next gen consoles are out + 1-2 years so like 2029-2030. Or wait for RDNA4, it will have way better raytracing and probably be in the same price ballpark than current RDNA3 prices with same or more vram than now.
in 2024 a 4060 Ti whatever is 8 or 16GB does not worth buy, the upcoming games, specially UE5 games releases of 2025 would be a nightmare to run at max settings, if you have a card that let you play the lastest games lowering settings or using FSR, wait for RTX 5000
Much needed video sir. Thanks..... In my country AMD pricing sucks and I can get 4060ti on 34k and 7700xt for 38.5k on offers. So I have to buy 8GB version now. 6750xt is same so not a thing like saving money plus old generation for same money.... AMD Marketing team need a better person who understand the market and not sitting in a cabin and imagining things which they actually are doing rn.
honestly.... I've got a 3800x pc with no gpu in it, sure i could slap a 5800x3d and 7900xt/xtx in buuuut nahhh, im going to just choose to stay low end till generational increases are big enough
I went with a used 6700XT for $250 free shipping from eBay last year. I promptly overclocked it to slightly faster speed than the 6750XT then maxed the memory to 2150MHz limit and added a -100mv under volt. At those settings it matched the then $500 4060Ti 16GB on average. Still a great deal right now for high quality 1080p gaming and the 6800XT as well for more consistent 1440p in new games.
There’s a plethora of mint condition RTX 2080 supers for $250 Canadian on FB marketplace which outperforms an RTX 4060 ($500 CAD) but can’t get access to frame gen. New gpus are so dog s*** price to performance man it’s actually a joke lmao
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Those benchmarks, even though they use more than 8 vram, are stupid, nobody is going to play at less than 60fps (They won't even want to play at 60fps). When activating frame generation, playing at less than 100 fps is an unpleasant experience due to input lag, the 4060 ti is a very weak card for ray tracing, it will always be used at 1440p with DLSS and FG while at 1080p it will will use DLAA and FG. So you will barely use the 8GB of vram. Unlike AMD, which manages the use of its vram differently, so greater consumption is seen only in the case of AMD, 8GB is obsolete. Buy the 4060 ti in the 16GB version and you'll end up wasting hardware you'll never use, especially if you only use it for gaming. For the same or similar price you could opt for the RX 7800 XT currently.
Even a 6800xt if you can find it at a great price, is better thyan the 4060ti options. More vram but weaker cores and less efficient architecture than the 7000 series. 4060 anything from Nvidia seem to be the worst price to performance this gen.
in third world countries 7700xt costs like 4060ti 16gb (sometimes even more) and 8gb 4060ti is much cheaper than both of them so there is no competitor in the price range of 4060ti 8gb except previous gen cards
This shows that the 4060ti is barely better than a 4060ti and behind a 3070 while the 7700xt gives you 6800 level of performance but both charge a similar price
@@deviouslaw watch daniel owens review on the 2 and rx 6800 is better. And it is way cheaper in used market. 16gb vram > 12gb in 1440p ultra. This is facts
@@adlibconstitution1609 Dude just stop. Originally you say way better AND way cheaper (it's really not way cheaper either, costs about the same) now it's way better because it's cheaper? Or you could just admit the original comment is wrong.
8:13 - I tried pausing on different frames and (at least after RUclips's compression) there doesn't seem to be a clear winner. On some frames of that scene FSR looks better, on others DLSS looks better. In my experience, FSR seems to try to preserve more detail but the end result looks "noisier", while DLSS looks blurrier but that hides the artefacts better. Either way, 2D rescaling and frame interpolation are mostly cheap ways for manufacturers to pretend this card generation is significantly faster than the previous one when it isn't, and I would never base my decisions on tests with post scaling (or even worse, frame interpolation) enabled.
Which of those cards would be best for old (1995-2005) FPS games and other shooter games on modern Windows and Linux PCs? I heard AMD sucks for openGL games on Windows/Linux and some old DirectX games, but I could be wrong.
@@05DonnieBbecause jumping the 80-120 reaches the threshold for the next vram tier. 4070, 4070S, 4070Ti all have 12gb of vram and id argue only the base 4070 is worth it bc its the cheapest for its vram class. So in that sense normal 4060, normal 4070, and 4070ti Super is what you should get because they are 8, 12, 16 gbs of vram and all cheapest in there vram class
12 GB's of VRAM is also enough for 4K if you aren't maxing every single setting out. There isn't a single game on the market that has used up 12 GB's of VRAM on my 4070 Super even at high settings, RT and FG turned off of course.
Bro i garuntee that every AAA title from 2025 will utilize all 12 gb vram. Specially unreal engine 5 games. Once the UE 5 games start pumping out Vram limitations will be a big issue
@@Hey1234Hey That's what they're saying now, but like I said, no game uses anywhere near 12 GB's of VRAM if you use medium or high settings, with RT and FG turned off, since those use more VRAM and aren't needed on a 4070 Super. RE4 Remake has been shown to use upwards of 12 GB's at 4K, but I'm playing it at 4K and only using just under 6 GB's even with high textures.
@@medryan9411 Yep, exactly. If you start maxing every setting out, then sure, you'll see VRAM usage skyrocket, but that has always been the case. Arkham Knight came out in 2015 and at 4K, it uses almost 5.5 GB's of VRAM, which was a lot for 2015.
Im sorry but from my point of view i got allways nvidia gpus but riecently i switched to amd 7900 gre and this is huge power bump over mine rtx 3070 also amd software is mutch more nice than nvidia one soo easy and nice to use but well no without small problems as well. But i have to say on both gpus i noticed that rasted performance was OK but RT is just a scam cuz if you wanna play with it you are forced to buy most expensive shit to even run diecently game with full RT thats just scam. Both gpus are great but lets be real AMD rasted is gonna be allways better than nvidia one there is no dought about it, but if you are nvidia fanboy go for it and pay about 200 eur more for just brand and quality or just pick poor man gpu yes Intel gpu cuz those for the first gen are massive succes are they great nope not at all drivers crashing and most of the time games crashing or freezing but damn i tested the arc 770 16gb version and i have to tell you from the beggining wasnt really perfect but after some time well year the drivers fix allmost all the issues with stability and performance and i have to tell you the Intel gpus are worth a shoot plus their XEss upscaling is better than FSR and really close to nvidia one and in some games like cyberpunk i actually like more to use XEss ultra quality than DLAA cuz image looks more sharp to me. Over all pick gpu you like do your research and pick what is best for you plus there is not gonna be competition between nvidia and others simply cuz nvidia is just too far ahead with their market vallue and they can spen as mutch as they want on new development for future gpus, thereal battle is gonna be between AMD and Intel as allways should be. And im gonna wait for it cuz this could be really interesting cuz on one side you have AMD with amazing raster performance and on the other side you got Intel great wallue gpu for even less money than AMD but with slight worse performance.
look at the frametime graph on rx 7700 xt when using FSR3 FG not smooth as on nvidia, so what is the point of get higher FPS but doesn't feel smooth at all, AMD please fix this
@@lupintheiii3055 I've compared my 7900 GRE with my friend 4060 laptop in this game and fsr3 fg doesn't feel smooth as dlss3 fg even with gsync/freesync
I just bought this card, a Yeston model. It’s essentially a RX 6700 10GB in terms of performance. So it’ll place well among the regular 4060 and 7600. The extra 2GB of vram is a bonus.
I bought the RX 7700XT Hellhound (Nice to see it mentioned), but I paid $600 Canadian 2 months ago. Happy so far, but my gaming isn't GPU intensive. HOI IV, Civ VI, and some Stellaris. More a future proofing from my old R7 360 2 gig.
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Why not spend $20 extra over a 40-60 ti and get a way faster card 7800 xt 16gb - (this WAS on the first page you displayed why not bring it into this?). don't award nvidia for a rubbish low end
I just love your video's Daniel - been in the tech game for many years, and you've become my favorite channel - always great information and SO well presented - Everyone needs a "Daniel" mouse pointer!!!
Great video Daniel, I completely agree with your conclusions here.
Thanks!
Timestamp chapters seem to be broken for some reason, so here they are in a comment:
0:00 Intro, which GPU cooler models am I using?
0:50 These cards all have different VRAM amounts
1:35 All these cards were too expensive at launch, but prices have dropped
2:47 AMD also has 2 games bundled with the 7700 XT
3:35 The used market can actually be the best value- check out Jawa!
4:55 How to interpret the stats (Ghost of Tsushima 1080p Very High)
6:01 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High
6:27 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High DLSS3/FSR3 Q FG On
8:32 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High DLSS/FSR Q
8:57 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p High
9:24 Horizon Forbidden West 1080p Very High
9:50 Horizon Forbidden West 1080p High
10:15 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p Very High
10:41 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p Very High DLSS/FSR Q
11:08 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p High
11:33 Horizon Forbidden West 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q
11:59 Hellblade 2 1080p High
12:26 Hellblade 2 1080p Medium
12:52 Hellblade 2 1440p High
13:18 Hellblade 2 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q
13:45 Hellblade 2 1440p Medium
14:10 Hellblade 2 1440p Medium DLSS/FSR Q
14:36 Avatar 1080p Ultra (Includes RT)
14:59 Avatar 1080p High (Includes RT)
15:25 Avatar 1440p Ultra (Includes RT)
15:51 Avatar 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q (Includes RT)
16:18 Avatar 1440p High (Includes RT)
16:44 Avatar 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q (Includes RT)
17:10 Alan Wake 2 1080p RT High DLSS/FSR Q
18:03 Alan Wake 2 1080p High
18:29 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS/FSR B
18:55 Alan Wake 2 1440p High
19:21 Alan Wake 2 1440p High DLSS/FSR Q
19:47 Cyberpunk 1080p RT Overdrive DLSS/FSR Q
20:13 Cyberpunk 1080p Ultra with RT Reflections
20:39 Cyberpunk 1080p Ultra
21:05 Cyberpunk 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS/FSR P
21:32 Cyberpunk 1440p Ultra with RT Reflections DLSS/FSR Q
21:57 Cyberpunk 1440p Ultra
22:23 Cyberpunk 1440p High
22:49 Resident Evil 4 1080p Max (Includes RT)
23:15 Resident Evil 4 1080p Prioritize Graphics
23:41 Resident Evil 4 1440p Max (Includes RT)
24:07 Resident Evil 4 1440p Prioritize Graphics
24:33 Starfield 1080p Ultra
25:00 Starfield 1440p Ultra
25:25 Starfield 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
25:51 Starfield 1440p Ultra DLSS3/FSR3 Q FG On
26:17 Call of Duty MW3 1080p Basic
26:43 Call of Duty MW3 1440p Basic
27:13 Final Thoughts
thank you so much
Get 8gig 4060ti if you hate yourself.
Couldn't say it better.
sold
Get Nvidia card under 700$ if you hate yourself or love CUDA
I have one in a laptop its okay for goofing off in blender or really old games but anything else and it hangs a lot. Even without Vram being full. I think I got a low bin impure chip.
@@Riyozsuchill 4070 super is not bad
4060 Ti 8 GB is in that sweet spot where it’s bad at everything.
😅 The bitter spot 😢
🤣
Lmao , and still here in 3rd world countries the green mindshare are insane
It does still have great power efficiency. The laptop version (which is misleadingly called the RTX 4070), is actually quite a good laptop graphics card. The GPU is clocked lower for better power and thermal efficiency, and with less GPU compute power, it makes more sense to turn settings down anyway, so you're not as likely to need more than 8GB of vram with the laptop version.
The desktop version is definitely a pretty bad card for most people, but for someone who lives in a region with a very high cost of electricity, who doesn't play any games which need more than 8GB of vram, it's an OKAY graphics card, but local pricing also matters a lot too.
The 16GB version is definitely better, but it does cost more, and while having more than 8GB of vram is useful, having more than 12GB of vram with this level of GPU compute power is going to be very overkill except for some very rare use cases. 12GB would have already been great with this level of GPU compute power (such as with the RX 6700 XT).
It's pretty obvious that the design choices were made to make it a good laptop graphics card. This was never going to be a good design for a desktop card. You've got one model with not enough vram, and the other one you're kinda over-paying for too much vram. If the power efficiency advantage doesn't matter much to you, AMD has some far superior options in the same price range, like the RX 7800 XT.
For people upgrading from GTX and RTX 2000 series entry level cards, these cards are great options. But if you have a 3000 series then probably skip the 4000 gen unless you are upgrading from entry to a higher tier card.
Agreed even more on 6000/7000 series. I upgraded from a 6700xt to a 7900xtx but if I was going to a 7700xt or even 7800xt it probably wouldn't have been worth it this generation
for people upgrading - just wait for RDNA 4
If there's one thing about the 40 series is being really efficient at power. The 6750 xt is great at $300 currently but it uses 200-250w of power.
@@mrman6035 efficient at power draw but not the wallet
AMD at least tries to offer good performance per dollar. Ngreedia is just screwing customers who want something cheaper than the XX90 cards.
Good call, my 3060TI is doing just fine.
man, i really love how u see this as a consumer and not bias at all for both gpu. thankyou for the effort.
nVidia needs to cancel 8GB VRAM on all 50 series cards !!! and make 16GB VRAM as standard !!
That's delusional af
Of course, after seeing your past history comment it seems you're just a clueless sheep who wants everything with unrealistic standard, like your take that 4099 should've been 1299$ 😂
I'd be happy if they have only one lower end card with 12GB (upper-low-end I guess you could call it). They've already made one upper-low-end card with 12GB (the original version of the RTX 3060). It would be great if they also made 16GB standard for at least two of their mid-range cards for the next generation.
Instead, we're likely going to have a 4060 ti successor, with one model with 8GB, and another very expensive model with 16GB, when 12GB would probably make the most sense (though a 16GB 5060 ti will probably make more sense than the 16GB version of the 4060 ti).
5050 8gb
5060 12gb
5060ti 16gb
Feel like those are the best vram amounts for both Nvidia and consumers
5050(if they make a 5050) doesn't need more than 8gb because it will probably not have much performance and won't be bottlenecked by vram
Also a 5050 should be aimed at 1080p high/ultra on many modern games(optimized games that are not a buggy mess)
A 5060 should be aimed at 1080p highest settings(high fps), or 1440p high/ultra settings
A 5060ti will obviously be better than a 5060(hopefully it isn't another 3060/3060ti situation)
@@Zvxers7 5050 - 6gb
5060 - 8gb/12gb
5070 - 12gb/16gb
5080 - 16gb/24gb
5090 - 24gb/24+gb
idk if thats fair or it makes sense at all but its just my opinion
I bought the 7700 XT for 440 dollars on release date. I have not had a single issue with drivers and gaming as been good. Only Warzone and Cyberpunk have been hit and miss
Nobody actually plays cyberpunk anyways
@@turnip1744 Only when you're delusional to believe this*
@turnip1744 20k on steam right now = nobody?
I also got the 7700 xt, great card all in all but it does appear that certain dx9 games from 2008 era are broken with current drivers. Mirrors Edge just crashes the video driver when I try and get past the main menu. I’ve gotten it to work with DXVK, but that’s to be expected.
@@turnip1744 I think Cyberpunk is a brilliant game. Phantom Liberty was unbelievable, felt like a movie especially with good soundtrack. While it was ok and playable, it was not smooth sailing. Glad i finished it though, it was worth the price
And then theres region pricing..
4060 Ti 16GB ~440$ - 460$ +
7700XT ~500$ - 550$ +
AMD price is always more expensive
just look at steam hardware survey top 20 not even a single AMD card lol
if its so good value people already bought them, its just non existent to most people
$400 value king segment is prob never coming back. People rode the 1070 for a LONG time, some still are.
Agrees in RX 470
Yeah the RX7700 XT is by far the better option, it hits that memory capacity and performance to price perfectly
watching this on my 1080Ti MSI Trio, still waiting for something i can upgrade to, it is pretty much same as 3060Ti +/- the only reasonable good options for me is 4080/90 but i dont feel like it just yet.
I got the 7700 XT for 200 less than the 7800, and with AMD cards they tend to improve over time with drivers and improvements
I OCed my 7700 XT easily and it runs like a beast and I get the FPS of a 7800 no problem
I am in the UK, as much as I try Jawa does not ship outside the USA. If this is true please make this clear in your 'plug'. Other than that your content is interesting to me
4070TI is considered an upper-midrange GPU and is categorized as a 1440p GPU - but I've been enjoying its capability to render 4K High/Ultra @ 60fps or 4K low/medium @ beyond 60fps (both scenarios with DLSS and FG if available) on a 32" 4K 144hz IPS monitor with G-Sync.
In the last 6 months there have been multiple price drop videos. But strangely the gpu prices are almost the same. Are the prices really dropping or are the videos a few months late? 🤔
I got a Sapphire Pulse 7700xt for ~$400 for my mATX Sleeper Build. It's pretty good for 1440p gaming! It's not perfect all of the time... but I'm happy with it.
the majority of gamers are buying cards in the 500 dollar range at best... they know they cant play with 4K at the at price point... but they just want a card that is solid in 1440. 7700XT is solid at 1440... you dont need to break the bank for more
You can play 4k cheap with upscaling especially if your tv already does it.
@@BlackJesus8463If you are fine with 60fps... I have a 7900XT and get 120fps with upscaling in several games. And those aren't even newer games. 7700XT would be a terrible choice for 4k, not to mention VRAM issues with newer games on UE5. Not to mention the cost of 4k monitors...
4k is very much possible for 500$ with upscaling. Especially if you consider used market. Just bought a 3080 for 450$ (with a warranty, otherwise it's 400$) and most games run at high-ultra with dlss quality (which looks the same as native to me). Some games like Allan wake 2 require dlss balanced (which still looks great and better than native 1440p imo. I personally can't tell it apart from native either but haven't looked side by side, just normally playing the game)
@@farmeunitunless you are very competitive fps gamer, a 4k qled tv is a better option than a monitor imo. They're like 400-500$ and you probably need a tv anyway, so it's not only for gaming. Led is also perfectly fine and is 300$
@@markojovanovic6928 Most TVs don't have the refresh rates of newer OLED monitors and very few are 32" or less. Good OLED monitors start at $1000 and go up. I still use a VA 165hz and it was $500 a year ago.
I got the 7700xt 4 months ago and absolutely love it. I don't think anyone buying in this price bracket should be thinking of RT anyway. Love your videos, the information is brilliant. Cheers. 👍
1:16 - This generally isn't true. As you noticed later (around 10:07 in the video), unless the game _deliberately limits_ "the highest settings" at those screen resolutions, the total amount of VRAM used is going to be practically the same regardless of your screen resolution. The vast majority of VRAM is going to be used to load *textures* and *models* (not for the framebuffer, which is the part that scales based on the _screen_ resolution).
If you choose "the highest settings" for texture resolution and model detail, then you're going to need more VRAM, even at 1920×1080 (because the texture and model data will be the same as if your screen was 4k). The difference is at 4k you also need significantly more memory *bandwidth* (so a 16 GB card with limited bandwidth can load the highest-resolution models and textures but will have trouble maintaining high frame rates at 4k). Those are separate bottlenecks, and some cards (like the 7600XT, and to a lesser extent the 7900GRE) avoid the former (that affects several Nvidia models) but still suffer from the latter.
Got my 6800xt last July for $450 - looking like a better deal day by day.
Seriously - so hard to even argue for an upgrade for myself when Blackwell comes around. Either the 5070 needs to be close to 4080 level of performance for $600-650 or 5080 needs to be close to 4090 level of performance for sub $1000. The 6800 Xt/7800 XT/7900 GRE are amazing value for the performance you get.
I would also bet Nvidia wont give 5070 better performance than 4070ti Super :/
@@coolumar335 no they wont bc that would already be like 25-30% performance increase which is a lot. (4070 Super is like 10-15% faster than 4070. And 4070ti Super is like 10-15% faster than 4070 Super. According to Techpowerup the 4070ti Super is even 36% faster. But I think thats also bc they test 4k as well, and there the 12gb VRAM of the 4070 can be a factor. But then they also have the 4070 Super as 16% faster than the 4070, so that gives credibility to the 36% of the 4070ti Super vs 4070.
my main rig has a 4080... but i do most of my gaming on my office rig...6800XT... very good card
@@PopePlatinumBeats why would you do that lmao the 4080 is over 50% faster in raster. In RT it will be WAY faster than "just" 50%, it could be a lot over 100% (probably several 100% in PT) faster in very heavy RT/PT. Also they pretty much use the same amount of power. (6800XT has 300watts TDP so who knows, maybe it uses more. The 4080 actually uses 250-280watts) So I dont see a single reason to use the 6800XT, when you have a 4080 lol
the only reason I can think of, is that your monitor is already maxed out by the 6800xt when playing without upscaling. But even then I dont see it, bc you could limit the 4080 and it would draw less power than the 6800XT for the same performance, as it already does anyways.
honestly am good with my RTX 3060 12gb and i will only upg anything above 4070 but only when they hit the prize of 300$ and that will prop be when the 50 series come out
Got the cheaper RX 6800 with 16GB for 380 instead. Really happy with it.
Best gaming GPU ever made
@@lupintheiii3055how so?
Kinda same boat here, I snatched a 6900xt(binned chip) for a great deal, not as great of a deal as you got but still slays anything without heavy ray tracing, couldn't be happier.
Sure.. but look at the Watts :D It's a different tier... 220+W vs 130+W
well. It's more like 150 vs 220. that is 70W difference. That is as much as a good old fasion lightbulb. Whats your cost of electricity? Over here it's about 10cents pr KW/h at the most (right now it's about 2cents). You need to run The GPU at max load for 16 hours to reach 1KW/h. If you're gaming 1 hour a day, 365 days a year, that's about $2,50 saved. It only takes you 1 year. (well. 5 years with the prices as they are this days)
@@Audiosan79 i wasn't refering to the cost, but the ratio or % difference. I would have wanted to see how both GPUs would behave at the same max TDP of 130/150w.
That way you could extrapolate and see what the 4060 would be capable of at 220W Tdp. Just as a fun math exercise 😁
@@Audiosan79 its never about the cost of electricity lol
its about the psu and whats the best gpu you can put in it
psu cost just fly up after a certain wattage
@@loucipher7782 Yes. When you go over that magic 1000W mark, then the PSU cost flyes up. But we are far from that arn't we? TBH, you never need to go above 1000W.
@@Audiosan79 quite sure that mark starts at 650w. Otherwise everyone would be dumping in 1000w like its nothing instead of asking for psu advise everywhere and entire list of tested psu at the cultist dedicated to it, also not many 1000w on the good list either. So i dont know, do you even own a good 1000w psu yourself?
Using teck power up and the Radeon RX 7700 XT as the base line
100% Radeon RX 7700 XT cost $374.99 / 107% GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16GB cost $449.99 / 121% Radeon RX 7800 XT Cost $479.99
So I do think if you looking at getting the RTX 4060 Ti 16GB it would also look at the RX 7800 XT as cost is only an extra $30 bucks and for that you getting an extra +14% perfromace so yes I am intrested
Took a risk with bad drivers and just got the 7700xt(3x fans) for 476.69$ ... 4060ti 8gb(2x fans) was 458.79$...4060ti 16gb(2x fans) was 537.12$ ... 7800xt(3x fans) was 590.83$... 4070(2x fans) was 671.17$... mentioned the fans because in my country you have to pay like 10-15$ for 3 fans
The goal of upscaling and frame gen "features" is to give the GPU companies an excuse to offer less performance in their graphics cards. They wouldn't spend the resources creating features to help gamers - same way they won't lower prices to help gamers.
Why does no one on RUclips see or understand this? These "features"are actually a Trojan horse and their goal is to offer the bare minimum performance increase Gen on gen. Just look at these 3 cards and compare them to last Gen for proof 😂
I compared my Asus Dual 6700 XT with the 7700 XT on the Versus site. My card gets 66 points, the 7700 XT gets 68 points. That's almost nothing! The 7900 GRE gets 75 points and would be the best choice for me if I didn't already have a 6700 XT. You have to wait 2 generations to really get something better. This is a bad joke!
Upscaling and Framegen is good for people who want another extra fps but at the same power consumption
Would agree with you if you specifically mentioned nvidia. Amd giving everyone access to fsr and frame gen allowing the gtx 10 series to keep on chugging was good for players and not good for profit.
I think upscaling is good feature as on quality setting can get higher fps with similar image. But your right. Frame gen especially means hardware companies are not increasing hardware perf as much especially on low end (under $600).
That was the only way to get developers on board especially when nvidia gives out free engineering time to integrate their features in each game. AMD didn't have enough headcount to go that routeso they rely on opensource and documentation along with the carrot of supporting more legacy platforms as well as new.
just giving enough incentive for everyone to care. @@eric50gobucks
Price dropped.....only in America as usual. 4060ti are still sold at $700+ here in the Philippines
Thinking about selling my 10400 6950xt 4k build and buying a 4070 ti or ti super to put in my 5600x build.
great video, im gonna get the 4060 ti 16gb since the 7700xt is more expensive at my place
Out of amusement, when i see these "GPU Price Drop" videos, I check the prices to see if there are any, and usually there aren't. This time, though, there is one drop. The 4060 Ti 8GB is down $2 from my last check, thought it is still $3 higher than it was this spring. Maybe we'll see some price drops when we start seeing the next generation cards coming out, but I'm not holding my breath.
15:30 1% Lows seem wrong, they are the same as in the previous test.
Just noticed that the Avatar 1440p ultra RT bench was reporting higher 1%lows than average FPS. Switched? 15:27
I can see some people getting a midrange 7700XT or 7800XT (have one). It's not my main GPU but I did daily driver for a while. If the price is right, well I can see the 7700XT making more sense now than at launch. If you don't have a 12gb one it is a nice step up from 8gb/less GPUs. 8gb on the Ti for that price range still seems like a cash grab.
i dont know if someone is buying the most expensive 4060ti 16gb for gaming when u can get 7700xt for less than 25% cheaper and 25-30% faster with 2 games included. that will be the worst choice ever
Why i want dlss if the 7700xt can deliver the same or even more fps in native vs dlss quality on the 4060ti?????? And now, somebody tell me dlss quality looks better than native 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂☠️
DLSS is better 33% of the time and worse 33%, the same 34%
Taa is just dogshit and that's why dlss quality looks in many time ls better or the same as native.
If you used an rtx card you would know.
@@ferasnj5769 Dont use TAA, you have a lot of a AA, wtf saied TAA=Native? and if your game only have TAA, in the amd driver and Nvidia yoou can change the AA config.
@@BlackJesus8463 It depends if the native TAA on the game is TAA or SMAAX2 or something like, but it doesn´t matters bcs you can change that from the driver.
@@robinrufino8244 they're all shit compared to DLAA. i told u once u see how good the AA component of DLSS From rtx cards u will never go back to fsr/taa/smaax2.
So u either get the superior AA without the upscaler and extra performance, or u get both.
Hi daniel, if you've ever got the time, I wonder if you'd be able to do stable diffusion on amd's gpu and nvidia as a comparison ... I've been wanting to get into AI, but I find Nvidia's products way too pricey for the cudas ...
I strongly disagree with you Daniel, most of the gpus you show that are currently going below the msrp are really entry level AIB after market crappy models such as pny and other entry level varients such as ventus 2x model cards. These cards often lack the proper cooling and noise decibel range for comfortable gaming. If you can get a 400$ asus tuf or strix variant of 4060ti 16GB for instance then I'd call it a proper cost cut value for money worthy gpu.
RX 6800 for $370 is a great deal right now.
and has more vram, bandwiht and its more efficient, cheaper, honestly i dont get who its the 7700 xt for.
Hello please do the comparison between the 7800 xt 4070 and 4060 ti 16 instead.
4060 Ti 16 GB is a nothing burger. Not needed.
@@nathanielchapman7675Hello Daniel said he is going to do a comparison of the 4060 ti 16 and 7800 xt. I just asked him if he has the chance and time to include the 4070 that is all. You should watch the video before commenting.
Been noticing the work you've been putting these past few days. I look forward to these types of videos you make. Anything that I'm curious about and you've already made a video on it.
In my country 4060ti(8GB)/7700XT/4060ti(16GB) are priced around 370/400/430 usd. I would say that's very precisely set prices, but are still all too high....
where i live it's
4060: 315€
4060ti 8gb: 400€
7700xt: 460€
i thought amd would be obvious for budget build but surprisingly their budget game is kinda weak. very few scenarios in which 8gb isn't enough and the amd is pulling like 100 more watts and has small market share so games optimize for nvidia. very split rn, if amd had no downsides i would tkae the hit of 150€ but 4060 seems like the best deal
how about a used 3060 Ti for like 220 euros on ebay? i wanna replace my old 1060 6gb on a budget but all new stuff on a budget is trash value and come with 8 PCIE lanes even the 3050 8gb. I also have b 450 board with 3.0 PCIE 16x lanes so only like 3060 12 gb, 3060 Ti and Intel arc 750/580 would make sense in the price bracket 190-250 euro since i also wanna stream on twitch
is the 7800xt not kinda midrange? i have one, yeah 4k kinda but you wanna be running 1440p rasterised and 1080p RT. Here you end up paying the same for a 16 gig 4060ti
And for some of the higher prices on the 4060 TIs you can easily get even a 7900 GRE which is currently discounted highly, for even MORE performance gain.
AMD is easily the winner in Value:Performance, (even though I'm running a 3060TI after running a RX570)
If you want to save money and have frame generation... Buy a 7700XT and buy Lossless Scaling for like 3$... frame generation on any game. With 12gb of vram you'll be good for a long time since developper wont increase vram amounts until at least next gen consoles are out + 1-2 years so like 2029-2030. Or wait for RDNA4, it will have way better raytracing and probably be in the same price ballpark than current RDNA3 prices with same or more vram than now.
AMD doesnt need framegen. Thats the whole point of going AMD.
dude, I JUST bought a 4060ti 16GB a few weeks ago, it's the Steam Deck all over again for me ;(
I getting my EGPU rig with a 7900GRE, wonder how much money I wasted on perf that I wont get due to 40GB/s TB4 rate limit
Do you even game?
i love listening to this dude yap about gpus
7800xt is only 70usd higher than 7700xt in China.
in 2024 a 4060 Ti whatever is 8 or 16GB does not worth buy, the upcoming games, specially UE5 games releases of 2025 would be a nightmare to run at max settings, if you have a card that let you play the lastest games lowering settings or using FSR, wait for RTX 5000
check out diablo IV
7700xt is $540-ish where I live. Wtf
Review as this that justify all price and performance create the market we are today! Is cheapper and perform better.....is not difficult!!!
People look at the 4090 and think Nvidia makes the best cards. Until AMD can compete at that level Nvidia will always be #1. And it won't be close.
AMD isnt bad just because Nvidia is better.
Much needed video sir. Thanks..... In my country AMD pricing sucks and I can get 4060ti on 34k and 7700xt for 38.5k on offers. So I have to buy 8GB version now. 6750xt is same so not a thing like saving money plus old generation for same money.... AMD Marketing team need a better person who understand the market and not sitting in a cabin and imagining things which they actually are doing rn.
So the nvidia 30xx and AMD 6000 series has going out of market so they can reduce prices of current gen…
The best
honestly.... I've got a 3800x pc with no gpu in it, sure i could slap a 5800x3d and 7900xt/xtx in buuuut nahhh, im going to just choose to stay low end till generational increases are big enough
sticking with my 2700x and 1650 pc till the wheels fall off lmao
4060 ti is nivida biggest shame, rx 7700 xt is just a Next tier card
In my country. Rtx 4060ti 16gb less cheaper then rx 7700xt
7800xt/4070 I would call midrange gpu.
Look at all the screen tearing and jittering... If this is what you have to buy to play games on, you need to be working instead of gaming.
I went with a used 6700XT for $250 free shipping from eBay last year. I promptly overclocked it to slightly faster speed than the 6750XT then maxed the memory to 2150MHz limit and added a -100mv under volt. At those settings it matched the then $500 4060Ti 16GB on average. Still a great deal right now for high quality 1080p gaming and the 6800XT as well for more consistent 1440p in new games.
There’s a plethora of mint condition RTX 2080 supers for $250 Canadian on FB marketplace which outperforms an RTX 4060 ($500 CAD) but can’t get access to frame gen. New gpus are so dog s*** price to performance man it’s actually a joke lmao
An $200 Rx 6600 is better.
Both 4060 Ti are a joke, 7700 XT is decent. Chilling with a used 6800 XT, probably the best kauf I've done in years.
the best *kauf* I've done in years
I've read that with the most snobbish voice one could ever imagine
the best *покупка* I've done in years
the best *購買* I've done in years
the best *achat* I've done in years
Like, wtf, have you consumed too much classical literature about インテリ?
schizo
@@Hito343 what a bummer, you're no fun
@@VGHOST008 It's just a bit of vocabulary picked by from reading the follow up book to Marx' "Das Kapital": "Mein Kauf"
@@adriankoch964 comment of the day! :D
Those benchmarks, even though they use more than 8 vram, are stupid, nobody is going to play at less than 60fps (They won't even want to play at 60fps).
When activating frame generation, playing at less than 100 fps is an unpleasant experience due to input lag, the 4060 ti is a very weak card for ray tracing, it will always be used at 1440p with DLSS and FG while at 1080p it will will use DLAA and FG. So you will barely use the 8GB of vram.
Unlike AMD, which manages the use of its vram differently, so greater consumption is seen only in the case of AMD, 8GB is obsolete.
Buy the 4060 ti in the 16GB version and you'll end up wasting hardware you'll never use, especially if you only use it for gaming.
For the same or similar price you could opt for the RX 7800 XT currently.
RX Series does not include "ray tracing" It just has obsolete technology, In "RTX" technology you are paying for that ;)
Clearly Daniel is a NVidia fanboy. :rolleyes
Even a 6800xt if you can find it at a great price, is better thyan the 4060ti options. More vram but weaker cores and less efficient architecture than the 7000 series. 4060 anything from Nvidia seem to be the worst price to performance this gen.
There's no logical reason why the 4060ti isn't 12GB. This card is an awesome card but being held back from the lack of VRAM is unacceptable.
The logical reason is look at what NVidia did with last gen and this gen. People still buy them.
in third world countries 7700xt costs like 4060ti 16gb (sometimes even more) and 8gb 4060ti is much cheaper than both of them so there is no competitor in the price range of 4060ti 8gb except previous gen cards
This shows that the 4060ti is barely better than a 4060ti and behind a 3070 while the 7700xt gives you 6800 level of performance but both charge a similar price
Rx 6800 16 gb is way better than these 3 and cheaper
"way better" is a weird way to say nearly the same as a 7700xt. With more vram but a slightly worse feature set.
@@deviouslaw watch daniel owens review on the 2 and rx 6800 is better. And it is way cheaper in used market. 16gb vram > 12gb in 1440p ultra. This is facts
@@adlibconstitution1609 it's just not way better. It's very very similar performance and that is an established fact.
@@deviouslaw It's way cheaper hence its way better. And more vram which is very good in 1440p. 12gb will not be enough in 2024-2025 in 1440p
@@adlibconstitution1609 Dude just stop. Originally you say way better AND way cheaper (it's really not way cheaper either, costs about the same) now it's way better because it's cheaper? Or you could just admit the original comment is wrong.
The 4060Ti is still $100 too expensive to be worth considering.
Rx 7800 vs Gre vs Rtx 4070s
How does a 6750 XT stack up? Saw one at a decent price the other day.
8:13 - I tried pausing on different frames and (at least after RUclips's compression) there doesn't seem to be a clear winner. On some frames of that scene FSR looks better, on others DLSS looks better.
In my experience, FSR seems to try to preserve more detail but the end result looks "noisier", while DLSS looks blurrier but that hides the artefacts better.
Either way, 2D rescaling and frame interpolation are mostly cheap ways for manufacturers to pretend this card generation is significantly faster than the previous one when it isn't, and I would never base my decisions on tests with post scaling (or even worse, frame interpolation) enabled.
Which of those cards would be best for old (1995-2005) FPS games and other shooter games on modern Windows and Linux PCs? I heard AMD sucks for openGL games on Windows/Linux and some old DirectX games, but I could be wrong.
a 400.00 dollar waste, pay 120.00 more for a 4070 or 80.00 more for a 7800
There is always another tier of gpu. Why stop at the 4070 amd 7800 XT and not go for a 4070S or 7900 GRE?
@@05DonnieBbecause jumping the 80-120 reaches the threshold for the next vram tier. 4070, 4070S, 4070Ti all have 12gb of vram and id argue only the base 4070 is worth it bc its the cheapest for its vram class. So in that sense normal 4060, normal 4070, and 4070ti Super is what you should get because they are 8, 12, 16 gbs of vram and all cheapest in there vram class
We would love to see more Intel Arcs comparisons and tests.
buy a 6800xt, still better then most of the current gen garbage
12 GB's of VRAM is also enough for 4K if you aren't maxing every single setting out. There isn't a single game on the market that has used up 12 GB's of VRAM on my 4070 Super even at high settings, RT and FG turned off of course.
Bro i garuntee that every AAA title from 2025 will utilize all 12 gb vram. Specially unreal engine 5 games. Once the UE 5 games start pumping out Vram limitations will be a big issue
Who are u to garantie us anything? Lol 12gb is overkill ppl still enjoying 8gb gpus fine with optimized settings at 2k @@Hey1234Hey
@@Hey1234Hey That's what they're saying now, but like I said, no game uses anywhere near 12 GB's of VRAM if you use medium or high settings, with RT and FG turned off, since those use more VRAM and aren't needed on a 4070 Super.
RE4 Remake has been shown to use upwards of 12 GB's at 4K, but I'm playing it at 4K and only using just under 6 GB's even with high textures.
@@medryan9411 Yep, exactly. If you start maxing every setting out, then sure, you'll see VRAM usage skyrocket, but that has always been the case. Arkham Knight came out in 2015 and at 4K, it uses almost 5.5 GB's of VRAM, which was a lot for 2015.
Barely!
Buying Nvidia only make sense if you need very powerful GPU and you are rich.
Im sorry but from my point of view i got allways nvidia gpus but riecently i switched to amd 7900 gre and this is huge power bump over mine rtx 3070 also amd software is mutch more nice than nvidia one soo easy and nice to use but well no without small problems as well. But i have to say on both gpus i noticed that rasted performance was OK but RT is just a scam cuz if you wanna play with it you are forced to buy most expensive shit to even run diecently game with full RT thats just scam. Both gpus are great but lets be real AMD rasted is gonna be allways better than nvidia one there is no dought about it, but if you are nvidia fanboy go for it and pay about 200 eur more for just brand and quality or just pick poor man gpu yes Intel gpu cuz those for the first gen are massive succes are they great nope not at all drivers crashing and most of the time games crashing or freezing but damn i tested the arc 770 16gb version and i have to tell you from the beggining wasnt really perfect but after some time well year the drivers fix allmost all the issues with stability and performance and i have to tell you the Intel gpus are worth a shoot plus their XEss upscaling is better than FSR and really close to nvidia one and in some games like cyberpunk i actually like more to use XEss ultra quality than DLAA cuz image looks more sharp to me. Over all pick gpu you like do your research and pick what is best for you plus there is not gonna be competition between nvidia and others simply cuz nvidia is just too far ahead with their market vallue and they can spen as mutch as they want on new development for future gpus, thereal battle is gonna be between AMD and Intel as allways should be. And im gonna wait for it cuz this could be really interesting cuz on one side you have AMD with amazing raster performance and on the other side you got Intel great wallue gpu for even less money than AMD but with slight worse performance.
8% price drop for an overpriced gpu is still not enough
400$ 7700XT for *40Fps* Senua/Alan wake 2K high? Strong pass for me.
Proud owner of the RX 7700 XT!
This was exactly the video I was looking for
look at the frametime graph on rx 7700 xt when using FSR3 FG not smooth as on nvidia, so what is the point of get higher FPS but doesn't feel smooth at all, AMD please fix this
That's because Afterburner can't read FSR3 FG correctly, the game run fine
@@lupintheiii3055 I've compared my 7900 GRE with my friend 4060 laptop in this game and fsr3 fg doesn't feel smooth as dlss3 fg even with gsync/freesync
LoL, no, way are you recommending the 4060😂😂😂
7700xt def best buy
You may add 6750gre oc into comparison.
I just bought this card, a Yeston model. It’s essentially a RX 6700 10GB in terms of performance. So it’ll place well among the regular 4060 and 7600. The extra 2GB of vram is a bonus.
@Reluctant_Hero Do you get the 12 or 10gb version? The 12gb one should be close to 4060ti. And only cost 300 usd in my region.
I bought the RX 7700XT Hellhound (Nice to see it mentioned), but I paid $600 Canadian 2 months ago.
Happy so far, but my gaming isn't GPU intensive.
HOI IV, Civ VI, and some Stellaris.
More a future proofing from my old R7 360 2 gig.
I got the 7700xt hell hound for the same price after tax.
An RX6800 is much better option than these 3 gpus
128 bit BUS for that price, nah thanks..Keep it.
GPU world became less than appealing lately
Ayoo!