9 Things Atheists Should STOP Saying
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- 9 Things Atheists Should STOP Saying
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Even as a person who believes in God. I like this guy. He's being truthful and honest and open minded. That's very wise of him to point out a few things that happen to be a little controversial. I guess this man deserves some credit as well as the person who helped him.
hey plz reply
Yeah, me too, im glad he isnt mean about it and is optimistic.
senseiofawesom1(carter) A lot of atheists (including myself) aren't mean we are just frustrated about the ignorant people like Ken Ham (I'm not saying you are ignorant) that aren't open minded to atheism.
***** I think it is fair to leave youtube comments out of the equation for both sides. xD
DroneAge yeah, alot of Christians get mad at me when i say i really think anything could happen after death and we will just find out after we die
How are you supposed to use logic to argue with someone who doesn't value logic?
You use their holy book..point out inconsistencies and flaws...if there is even one that isn't justifiable by faith and obedience... God is destroyed
Nolight Modarkness
I'm talking about the people who do not care whether there's inconsistencies, like a Christian debate club at my school. "God can contradict himself and still be right because he's God."
RandomCanEHdian wow. That's when you ask them why would you worship a being like that? A god that doesn't have to abide by his own laws...then why should we? Of course I would be expecting something along the lines of a response like "because he is god and we can't comprehend his reasons...serve him or you go to hell" ....after that response stand firm with your chest out and say something they can't begin to conceive like "well I am not scared of hell and if god is real he should come face me right now... I am willing to be a sacrifice for skeptics everywhere... Well where is he?" You might have to take extreme measures for people like that...have no fear though as god is and always will be a bitch he won't do a thing... ^_^
Nolight Modarkness
It's very biased, and goes as far as bending factual information, because God.
RandomCanEHdian well there is no point debating then.... They are the "ultimate right" and it is impossible for them to be wrong Since they represent god... Smh if they can't or just refuse to have an open mind...you aren't dealing with rational people... People like that would probably not recognize their own god if god appeared in a disguise.."saying I am god" and perform miracles right In front of their eyes... They would belittle him and call him blasphemous Because that man in disguise doesn't match their interpretation of god...yet only god or anything giving credence to their beliefs can influence them... Just quit man you are way ahead of them in mental capacity.. Its not worth the frustrations
I don't choose to be an Athiest. I just simply don't believe in a god because I don't. It doesn't make sense. I can go through the motions, I can read the book, I can go to church, I can sing the songs, but I can't believe it.
@East West South Slavs United guess the hunger will break you eventually
@East West South Slavs United I agree. People who believe in God are weak
@East West South Slavs United Atheists arent afraid of death. Religious people believe that they have an afterlife and sure, may not fear death, but we all fear pain, no matter who we are, unless your nervous system is defective when you are born. It has nothing to do with this comment here. What i think alexander means is that despite the overwhelming evidence presented by scientists who work hard instead of following some claim with no backing such as the concept of Heaven and Hell, people hold on to beliefs as they are the ones truly afriad of death, and what comes after.
@East West South Slavs United i have also known in the past where churches executed people for having different beliefs, such as Galileo, while they talk about freewill.
Both of you are the perfect epitome of the shit way to introduce your beliefs and religion.
Shut the fuck up
Let alone people believe on what they geniunely believe
i didn't lose my faith, i found reason
How would you know it was a lie?
***** LOL!
Aidan Sumantri Which is why I commented lol.
***** and you fell from trying to know things to presuming you know things.
elibeth1211 Stop forcing your religion into other people's faces. You could've simply said your opinion, but nooooo. You had to call this person, who believes something different from you, foolish. We understand that you are a follower of Christ. You don't have to tell us that atheism was a foolish decision. What if you're wrong? What if you've been praying to the wrong God this whole time? Out of the millions of Gods in the universe, you chose the Christian God. I believe you haven't even done any research on other religions. You just went with what they gave you as a child, and was brainwashed. I don't mean that in a negative way, but it is technically true for a lot of Christians. I understand your faith and have nothing against it, and I understand your need to spread the word of God, but if this person has a set religion (or lack of one, in this case) then you shouldn't try so hard to convert them. How would you feel if someone of a different faith tried to convert you repeatedly? Exactly. So stop telling every atheist in the comment section that they made the wrong choice. I identify as a Deist, because I believe in the Christian God (which I believe the only reason was because I was taught that from a young age) but do not follow the religion.
One thing the religious should stop saying: homosexuality is a "lifestyle". You can be gay from the day you're born. You aren't Baptist from the day you're born. Sexuality isn't a "lifestyle"...RELIGION is a lifestyle.
*****. Yes it's possible to "be" gay, but never express it. But the rest of my point was that religion, acquired as it is after birth ( and in ref to your point, I will add, typically "acted upon")... Is a lifestyle. Would you agree? And, a bit deeper, how about someone "being" Christian...just never acting on the "impulses" of the religion? Beliefs without acts?
***** They don't live your definition of the religious lifestyle. You don't live theirs. Funny that. And all by -obsessing over-
-focusing on and discounting different parts of-
studying the same book and all.
***** I was pointing out, Alicia, the silliness of saying that its okay to for a gay person to 'be'' gay, just not to 'do' gay. Yet, about the religious person, doing the thing is inextricable from being the thing.
Certain things may be objectively true. But not one sentence in your bible qualifies. It's the subjective words of men...who claimed objectivity by saying "cuz this all comes from the Invisible Dude Who Invented Everything.
(...who did it wrong, so he killed a bunch of folks...then tried the same strategy again. And that didn't work, so he killed a bunch of folks and tried the same strategy....etc. but that's the Competence discussion, not the Existence discussion).
I'll end with this. Gay doesn't lead to deliberately killing people. Not if you're doing it right. But Religion certainly CAN lead to killing people.
--- The book demands it...but thank -God- goodness most Christians weasel out from most of the murder requirements. And even some of the hate ones. --- In specific ways , for a long list of "offences". Itemized, at great length, then repeated...in your "holy book".
*****
Romans 1:27-32
ABRAXAS amen exactly on point
I stop believing in god myself i just realized how the hell can any of this be real
IM PLUTO u obviously haven't read the bible
Bradley Teichroeb ive read the bible more than once
+Bradley Teichroeb I've read the Bible more times than I care to count, yet nothing came up to prove me of God's existence. Not after the Tragedy that happened in the War. I can still say it, but it saddens me to do so
Me to
@@Doginawall I'm not christian, but muslim but when it comes to this you can't prove that god exists or doesn't exist it's beyond logical thinking and science, you'll just have to rely on your faith
Here are some things everyone needs to do
1) Do not shove your beliefs down others' throats
2) Do not think you are smarter just because you have different beliefs
3) Believe in yourself before anything
4) Find your own beliefs
5) Be respectful towards everyone
6) Always do the right thing
7) Do not do something just because it is cool to do
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID THAT!!!
How the hell did you not get 1000 likes yet?
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuck I have never seen so much truth in one comment before
Chronozs
You're fucking stupid if you think there is no right or wrong dumb fuck.
powe300 . morals are subjective to individuals lol.
I watched your videos as a Christian three years ago. I remember having a sick feeling in my stomach. You felt like the enemy. I was convinced you were literally a demon..... Today, I'm an ATHEIST and proud. Thank you for your videos :-)
Kyle Rusk yay!!! I'm an Atheist too!!
Kyle Rusk, did you really make a decision about your belief in G-D based on RUclips? Dude...I'm sorry.
@yael fire what's wrong about that? most people made a decision about their belief in god based on what their family told them... like that is a more legitimate source of information and ideas (clue: it's not)
you can be proud of being atheist but wrong. you can be a crischan and be proud and right
USMC1968 Actually, there’s no real proof of any religion being right. You can disagree with another person’s beliefs, but you can’t say that they’re right or wrong because nobody knows for sure yet.
Sorry, can't agree with the Extraordinary Claims one. They often CAN provide a little bit of evidence (flawed of course) for things such as prayer, and we don't want them to think that's "good enough" for us to take them seriously.
I do get your point though, but I just think there is nothing wrong with the term. In fact I think it is one of the most thought provoking things you can tell a religious person.
they can give no evidence at all good sir
I agree with EEVblog. Not only can they not provide the requisite extraordinary evidence, they can't even provide the tiniest bit of evidence, so it's just so far below the bar that we can reasonably ignore their claims.
Me neither. There are a lot of things that I would accept based on eye-witness testimony (e.g., there's milk in the fridge). But I would not accept that as evidence for, say, a diamond the size of a basketball or a 6 meters high ape living wild in Hong Kong.
Someone telling me they're certain that there is milk in the fridge will probably convince me. Someone telling me they're certain that God has spoken to them will probably not convince me. In the first case, their conviction is evidence, because the claim is trivial.
What's prayer got to do with the EEV Blog or Electronics? And we are so many people "worried" about it?
Same though
I dont say _"I lost my faith"_
I say _"I escaped religion"_
I never had religious faith...
as a christian, that is the better way to say i lost my faith
XD
I like that.
That's just smart
ziffulmyer ,
Which "belief" is more rational and logical???
Two people, one Christian the other Atheist, are walking through an apple orchard coming upon 377 apples "perfectly" in a row and "evenly" spaced apart.
The atheist concludes "nice accident" and continues walking. Obviously, not thinking anything more about it - as that is how he/she is brainwashed by "secular" society and his/her education to believe.
On the other hand, the Christian sees the exact same 377 apples "perfectly" in a row and "evenly" spaced apart, and concludes "WHO IN THE WORLD DID THAT?"
Which has a more rational and logical conclusion???
Logically, behind "order" is an "orderer". Behind every "building" you see is a "builder" you cannot see.
Behind something that is "moving" there is a "mover" - that caused it to move.
Behind an intelligent "design" is a intelligent "designer".
Now, let’s raise the "accident" odds. For me to write this post I have 3 Billion DNA "perfectly" in a row and "evenly" spaced apart and for you to read this post you have 3 Billion DNA "perfectly" in a row and "evenly" spaced apart, so over 6 Billion DNA working. Now, is that just a random "chance" and "accident" to have 6 Billion DNA in a "row" to carry on this conversation???
www.genome.gov/25520880/deoxyribonucleic-acid-dna-fact-sheet/
Is that really a logical and rational conclusion???
Please get to KNOW the supreme "orderer" of this universe, and what He expects out of your life to find "TRUE LIFE" ITSELF.
Now, I recommend you watch former atheist Lee Strobel's "Case for the Creator".
ruclips.net/video/ajqH4y8G0MI/видео.html
Then listen or read Josh McDowell's "Evidence Demands a Verdict".
ruclips.net/video/HRemWMIy2IY/видео.html
Follow the "Evidence", facts and "TRUTH" right into the ONE and ONLY established Church of Jesus Christ being the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
May GOD open your eyes and heart guiding you to TRUTH HIMSELF Jesus Christ (John 14:6).
www.magiscenter.com
I am glad christians abolished the practice of stoning women who wear two different types of fabric at the same time....
are you stupid? dont you see what that lead to? somehow not stoning women for wearing two different types of fabric has started global warming and the jihad. :O
***** Right, and these priests should be stoned, right? Could you tell what is wrong with wearing two different types of fabric at the same time for a priest? And why does it deserve stoning?
***** So it is all contextual then....belongs to ancient history.
***** Ok, great! So you never kill anyone and always turn the other cheek. Cool :)
But why are not the moral laws also obsolete by now?
+btfication oh really the moral laws were made for humanity to respect love, not kill each other not only for one nation like the cerimonial or civil law and the last time i checked humanity still exists and lives by those rules so yeah its the same if you go and ask that to an atheist he will answer becausw we live in a freakin society
Good thing I worship Shrek!
Darth Tyrannus *sings All Star*
Darth Tyrannus allstarism
I was looking forward to this 😂
You get around you know
Onions is proof of Shrek's existence.
I understand quantum mechanics. Would you like to hear the story about our lord and savior called quantum mechanics?
Bruce!
Patrick Bateman Is that a yes?
+Bruce Wayne quoting Richard Feynman " if you say you understand quantum mechanics , you dont really understand quantum mechanics " hehe
+Bruce Wayne nice name homes
+Bruce Wayne wow, you understand quantum mechanics!!!?? please explain it to everyone including all scientists because I'm sure they would come back to you saying you clearly haven't understood it.
I've seriously had Christians tell me I have no morals becaue I'm an atheist, I think that saying I can be good without god made sense there, as he was literally telling me I was a piece of shot just because I was an atheist
What about hitler? He was a Christian? Look at Terry fox, he was an atheist.
Okay, I'm Christian, any actual true Christian wouldnt care, you believe in whatever you want, that's the will of god, wanna believe in Allah, go ahead, wanna believe in nothing, go ahead, just dont make fun of other people, please domt think all Christian's are like that
@@beautysfx4644 how can you not when it's all you see, actually any actual christian would care tbh because of the bible which is contradictory; all I'm saying is no one can define a good christian or true Christian because, christians morals comes from the bible which I've already said is very contradictory
@Cubic Tosser2001 Respect is earned. It is not something you can demand. Do you know who demanded respect without earning it? The God of the Old Testament. You really want to conflate yourself with him?
@@beautysfx4644 No true Scotsman.
bible=god is real
superman comic=superman is real
Cesar Jimenez he was intended to be fake
David Gutierrez so was god
Cesar Jimenez omg
Does superman love u?
Does superman care for u?
Does super man make u feel safe?
Is superman with u all the time?
Does superman savd u from eternal torment?
No?
i thought so too,
Khanverz DOPE but he does...
I don't see being an Atheist as being a part of something like a group or any ''we'' for that matter, for me its just a word for people that are not religious.
Someone who is foolish is to accuse other people of closed mindness and yet are closed minded themselves.
***** Why?
***** You just haven't started thinking for yourself, have you?
***** Your funny. Continue.
You explained exactly how atheists are, openminded and they think for themselfs, where as religious people follow a boring 'guideline' a set of rules to live by... But you are troll so whatever.
Haha not all Christians think there are good atheists...growing up in bible study I always heard the warnings against the temptation associated with the non-believers. I know a woman who cuts herself off from every atheist in her life because she doesn't want to be tempted to be sinful like them. So it does happen, just not often. Lol
We'll see how it goes when I "come out" as a non-Christian. I'm still doing research right now but I think I'm probably an atheist or agnostic. But I'm sure no matter what I choose to believe in that if it's not Christian (which it won't be) that they'll think my friends corrupted me 😂😂
?????
Sarah Russell
Well its been almost a year have you done it yet?
Hate Christians like those, and I’m a Christian myself
Yeah, any normal Christian (like myself) wouldnt care, as long as you dont make fun of us, we are chill
Reading the Bible itself made me an Atheist. As a rational person, there's only two possible conclusions to that crazy book: Either God exists, but is a bipolar homicidal psychopath, or God doesn't exist and the stories are just made up. Not gonna lie, science helped as well.
foolish the bible is flawless its you with your evolutionist theory you don't want there to be a god and certainly not one who holds you accountable
Elisha Peterson The bible really isn't flawless.
Elisha Peterson Troll so hard, troll so hard. Do it somewhere else.
TTKMKaizen you again with your theories state fact present evidence that you suppose defeats my supposed theory otherwise remain all together silent and hear wisdom
The Kush Connoisseur why should i you atheist be all over Christians videos promoting your foolishness
I think #4 is not 100% right. I know many religious people, some of them on TV with huge audiences, who claim that atheists are immoral and that nothing stops us from comitting terrible crimes. Many more go on to say that Hitler, Stalin and other did what they did because they were atheists (and statement that is wrong on many levels). So saying I'm good without God sounds OKto me.
Indeed. Many religious demagogs like to use this in debates, not to mention many deranged callers in The Atheist Experience.
I agree. I've lost count of how many times fellow students in my high school said atheists are immoral, as well as people I work with whispering roughly the same thing. Sometimes I just want to shout at them that I'm a moral person without god. Of course I've also heard them saying atheists are ruining the country. Sometimes I hate living in the south.
Brett Engetschwiler I don't really see why you have such a fuss about that in America. I live in Germany and we rarely ever bother. Most Christians only remember that on the holidays(Christmas or Easter) and even then, no one cares that much.
ValerieRaya you forget that america is home to the bible belt and the westboro baptist church.
I have a friend who actually did ask me how I could be such a good person without believing in God. All I could say was I don't need a God to be good. I doubt he knows many Atheists.
I told my parents that I'm an atheist. they told me that I'm not there child. im 13
Kitty Tafoya what the fuck
Hope that was a wake up call to ya. Stay in a child's place. Read the bible.
chris! Really telling someone to stay in there place dont brainwash people
OverLoaded Lol no brainwashing here.
LOL XD VERRY MEEME TASTIC IM ROFLING SO HARD
I don't say "I lost my faith" I say "I regained my sanity".
Loulabelle I just say I have faith, just not in your God
DManCAWMaster That's a good one.
That is a mean comment, instead you could say something like, "I just didn't believe enough to keep your faith", therefore, you lost it. Calling Christians insane because of what they believe in is a mean comment
WarioWareProductions It's not a mean comment. Stop reading between the lines and seeing some intent that is not there. I did not say that Christians are insane. I said I reclaimed MY sanity, which is what it feels like to ME. If I thought Christians were insane I wouldn't imply it I would SAY it. I don't care if someone is offended by something I say, I can not control someones emotions or feelings of offense. I DO care if people are offended by something they think was implied but was not.
Realising there was no God after years of being pulled by 2 different grandmothers between Catholic and Protestant services felt like I finally gained real perspective. I felt like at last I had come to a real conclusion through logic, common sense and using empiral evidence. It felt like a light had come on. Therefore I felt as though I had gained my sanity after years of believing in something I couldn't see or hear or feel (which to me IS insane).
I'm a Philosophy grad so I know believing requires a leap of faith even if using "proof" arguments, whether a' priori or a' posteriori. Believing does not make YOU insane but it felt like becoming an atheist finally made me FEEL sane.
I hope that explains it.
WarioWareProductions Oh and I have never cared one way or another what anyone believes in. You can believe a big pink invisible banana made the world and that's ok with me. Believers need to stop being so offended if someone says there is no God. Why do you care? If there is a God its His place to deal with non believers not you. I wish there WAS a God and I wish I believed, not least because it would be nice to believe that one day God will resurrect us and rid the world of the wicked and earth will be a paradise. But I just don't.
0:12 - 1 - I lost my faith
1:06 - 2 - Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
2:32 - 3 - Everyone is born an atheist
3:42 - 4 - We can be good without god
5:21 - 5 - I trust science, not some 2000 year old book
6:16 - 6 - You can't reason someone out of something...
7:50 - 7 - I don't believe in god
9:12 - 8 - Religion doesn't make any sense
10:45 9- You can't just pick and choose what you want to believe
c4 number 8 was very hypocritical based on the way he described.
Here is my opinion. As soon as I hear these 9 points, the very immediate reaction is that it's not wrong for an atheist to say that. But after I think a little or start hearing the explanation, it strikes me that we should stop saying this. Anyway we will be saying this to theists who are not capable of thinking things out. If they were capable of thinking things out, they wouldn't be theists in the first place. So we need not stop saying these things.
Adam and Eve weren't born atheists
They did, until god appeared in front of them, or at least is what the bible says
Don't twist it around you know they weren't atheists.
... 1 thing Atheist Voice should STOP doing
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..... STOP TELLING PEOPLE WHAT TO DO
Yes, because I keep getting atheists coming to my door asking if I know the word of godlessness... oh wait - that's YOUR RELIGION. YOUR RELIGION IS SO INSECURE that they want as many people in there as possible.
SuperSonicTailsEasMultiGloryUNITE SonicGlory Religion has nothing to do with insecurity. You have literally no idea what you are talking about.
Yup this self important guy wants to tell other atheist how to do it right LMAO.
Lol yup, there seems to be a huge war going on between athiest and Christians. What ever you do or don't believe in don't push it on others and don't talk shit because others don't believe what u believe.
SuperSonicTailsEasMultiGloryUNITE SonicGlory You do realize the Bible instructs Christians to share their religion, right? It's not insecurity. It's them doing what they believe is right. And I did not say FORCE their religion onto other people. You can easily tell a Jehovah's witness to just go away and have a nice day.
Hemant Mehta: Not even the most conservative Christian says all athiests are evil.
Alex Jones: hold my beer
Same thing I was thinking. He disappointed me a lil with that. The amount of Christians I've heard say that is that not most of them but still significant.
I think religion should be like alcohol, not shown to children/teenagers under 18 years old. You should wait until they are 18 years old and then they can choose wether they want to believe or not.
you may think that all religions brainwash children but that simply isn't true. Christianity is an example: you can be free and run all you want, u aren't forced, when youre old enough you can do what ya want, you aren't tied down just taught something that you may or may not agree with.
this comment is like a Christian saying "dont teach children evolution or science till they are 18" same boat. ur taught but you dont gotta agree
Kind of wrong. Here's why: If an atheist teaches their children religion when they are 18 years old, most of the. 95% will be too mature to believe you. They would of probably already developed critical thinking by then. And if any religious person tells their children of 18+ that there is no evidence for any God, there is a high chance he/she will believe it.
The SunChaser no because then yo teach them not to believe instead of teaching ten their options and letting them choose for themselves..….
humans don't grow on trees.
how did we came the first time?
evolving?
then answer me,
evolving needs 2 sexes male and female.
which means there should be 2 exact same processes of evolving to maker very identical male and female and they need to be existing at the same time,
to have sex and to multiply and make more humans. how is the chance this would happen in every animal including humans.
and to remember this process takes millions of years, what are the chances that this evolving processes would create male and female AT the same time??
it is like one in infinite chance, IMPOSSIBLE,
so the answer god exists.
but you are stupid enough to know.
you will know it, but when it is too late.
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being good without believing in god it is like, a plastic tree.
Houndoomgirl77 humans don't grow on trees.
how did we came the first time?
evolving?
then answer me,
evolving needs 2 sexes male and female.
which means there should be 2 exact same processes of evolving to maker very identical male and female and they need to be existing at the same time,
to have sex and to multiply and make more humans. how is the chance this would happen in every animal including humans.
and to remember this process takes millions of years, what are the chances that this evolving processes would create male and female AT the same time??
it is like one in infinite chance, IMPOSSIBLE,
so the answer god exists.
but you are stupid enough to know.
you will know it, but when it is too late.
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being good without believing in god it is like, a plastic tree.
i didnt even think about any higher power or shit, never crossed my mind, then when i was 5 my school told me about god and i rejected the shit straight away
+elibeth1211 lol are you being sarcastic, you seem nice but i dont "reject" god i simply dont think he is real
+elibeth1211 and you know that because someone told you? if someone tells you the cat is actually a flying soup monster im disguise would you just believe that lie aswell?
+philosophergenius i agree, although i did hear somewhere that the creator of scientololigy admitted he made it up and doesnt believe in any of it
+elibeth1211 lol no, you simply have no clue what you are talking about, also if anyone is delusional its you. if you want to argue im wrong answer these questions with evidence.
Who created god?
why did god make me an athiest?
why do you believe in some all powerful being that created everything?
are you against evolution and why?
do you believe in dinosaurs?
are you brainwashed?
+elibeth1211 also religion is fucking coo coo, if i told you i had a real imaginary friend who made pancakes on demand would you believe me? because it is just as likely
I hate to be that guy, but I do know some religious people who say that it is impossible for anyone to have any real morality if they are atheist. They also argue that we aren't good people because of our atheism. So trust me when I say this, the most right winged people in this country do infact argue that we as atheist don't have any morals. It is literally something I have to deal with everyday. So to say that "no one says that is we don't have any morality" is just plain wrong. I am accused of having no morality everyday, and thats inside my own family. (Being the only atheist in my family is a real burden sometimes.)
***** The worst thing is that my dad is an anglican priest. (Since I always get asked what an anglican is. It's a lot like catholicism. Only priest can get married. And they don't follow the pope. But its a denomination of christianity.)
if your family says that, then they are no family
***** Oh, he is high high anglican. Not only is he against women priest and everything low anglican does, he speaks out about it constantly everywhere he goes. He says that gay marriage isn't real because, and these are his words, "Gay marriage doesn't exist." Something about how the word marriage only applies to a union between a man and a woman. (Honestly, I swear the way he talks about it, it sounds more like a business agreement then anything else.)
***** Despite everything we talk about, they are always there for me when I need them, and vis versa, so it isn't like they say it out of hate or anything. They are doing what they think will help me. They fear that I won't be there with them during the "end times." But the thing is that it gets annoying talking to them about it. My uncles on my fathers side are really well known christian theologians, and they have written quite a number of well known published books. So it is extremely hard for me to even talk to any of them without it popping up. I try to avoid it, but they bring it up constantly. However, they are family so I put up with it.
***** He already knows who she is. (He keeps up with this stuff because he has to at this point.)
I chose science over faith.
you should probably still listen to science.
A Child of God so a man siting in the paradise is more logical?
A Child of God science has helped us prove many things, shit where do i start, for me it comes in the form of math and physics i use in my major everyday, science proves alot of this works, hell ur proof is right at ur fingertips wether it be a computer or smartphone or whatever ur communicating with us through, so now i ask you what has god proven?
I chose both.
I have faith in science!
These two things do not oppose in many cases
You didn't lose your faith! you found your brain!
Discriminating against a large group of people for what they believe in is mean.
Your brainless to begin with if u say shit like this
Not all religious are brainless. Do some research.
I'm Christian, I'm chill with aethiasts and all religions, you want Christians to respect you, dont say stuff like this, is very rude
You're religious? Cool fam.
You're an atheist? Cool fam.
Just stop with butt hurt commentary on such videos, please.
TMC3 Productions Yeah. Imo, as long as you haven't lost your common sense we're cool. Both sides can be very annoying, though.
TMC3 Productions well yeah.
This attitude is the source of the issues.
I wish it were like that. At least for me, it isn't.
it's too late for me
I've seen too much
Sorry I missed Church, I was too busy practicing witchcraft and becoming a lesbian
You should have went to church; it's waaaaaaay more fun. Well, that's what I hear anyway. My second dad won't let me do those things and I can't possibly sneak anything past him because he SEES EVERYTHING....from the sky. I guess that's how he knows church is more fun.
Skyeful same🙂
You should've invited me.
Let me guess , you’re “religious” parents kicked you out the house when you came out and now you’re atheist? Well God loves you & I love you ❤️❤️
I was literally tortured when I was young. (I don't mean I was forced to listen to music I didn't like or something silly like that. I mean I was outright tortured.) I actually have PTSD because of it. (Just typing this is making me panic really badly, so I won't go into detail. )
When I was a Christian, even though I didn't believe in Hell, (annihilationism) I was so afraid if the possibility that Hell exists and that I was actually not going to the right church or doing the right practices, or I would end up dying before I get the chance to confess my sins that I got really obsessive. It was so bad making any mistake made me beg God to forgive me and not torture me. When I was begging for forgiveness, I would degrade myself, even punishing myself hoping it would please God so I didn't go to Hell. I even had strict rituals I followed as to not displease God. For example, I would pray every hour and whenever I felt the need to, I only listened to Christian music because I was afraid listing to secular music would displease God, I would harm myself because I thought my pain pleased God, I did whatever it took to please God that I neglected my own well being. In fact, I was diagnosed with religious OCD.
Even now, I panic when someone brings up Hell, I punish myself by inflicting pain whenever I do anything wrong, I can't handle any form of criticism, especially any that makes me feel like I'm a terrible person.
Most people can't imagine being tortured, and eternal torture scares them. Imagine how much the concept of eternal torture scares me, someone who actually experience torture.
I reject Christianity because I just can't believe a loving God would send people to get tortured because they don't believe. Christians say we all deserve to go to Hell, but I just can't accept that's the punishment we all deserve. I don't think anyone deserves an eternity of extreme pain. In fact, I don't believe anyone even deserves extreme pain for a short amount of time, I don't care what their crimes were.
When Trump proposed to legalize torture, I couldn't even leave my house I was so afraid that I'll do something wrong and get arrested and tortured.
If you think anyone deserves torture, especially for eternity, you obviously don't know just how terrible torture is. (Hint: it's far worse than you think.)
The worse part of being tortured isn't the physical pain, (and that's extremely terrible. It's the psychological pain that follows. I've been able to mostly recover from the physical pain. The psychological pain still affects me to this day.
Have you ever been in so much pain you outright begged for death? I don't mean just thinking death would be better than what you're feeling at the time, because I'm pretty sure most people experience that. I mean begging to die and desiring to die to the point where you ignore all your instincts. Still don't understand? Imagine your pain is so intense that you outright drink large amounts of harsh chemicals just so the pain would end. That's exactly what happened to me. I drank an entire bottle of lighter fluid and loss conscious.
Obviously, I didn't die. I woke up in the ICU and found out I was in a coma for 6 months. I never knew how I got to the ICU or even how my body was found. All I know was that my captors were arrested and charged with billions of crimes (slight exaggeration. It was a lot)
I'm safe now. Can't say I'm a productive member of society, but I'm not in any danger.
I won't explain exactly how I was tortured because I would end up panicking really badly and fainting. (I know this from first hand experience.)
Tl;Dr: no one deserves torture. Take it from someone who actually experienced it. Eternal torture is not just, and if that's the punishment for sin, God is not loving.
You will NEVER convince me that God is loving when he thought it was a good idea to even create Hell in the first place. Even if he doesn't want us to go to Hell, the fact that he created Hell is proof enough he's not loving. Don't even get me started on how I can be saved through faith! I got a lot to say on that subject!
I am willing to answer your questions if you like it too?
Thank you for sharing your story. I appreciate your honesty. I hope you are well.
Well, it's our choice. It's also unfair when there is no hell. The good people along with those who are evil. I don't think that's fair. God already gave Jesus Christ so that we may be saved. We can choose between right and wrong. God is Good. God bless you!
You rejected faith because of hell?
Where do you want the assholes who are assholes for no reason to go to?
Jeez thats a long story
Unlike religious people, atheists aren't bound by things we should or shouldn't say, it's not like there's a atheist bible with the atheist 10 commandments.
So it's fine if you don't say those things, but don't expect every atheist to take you very seriously if you expect them to follow it or something.
+Sm0k4bl3 I feel the same, so true.
+Sm0k4bl3 I think I should be able to say whatever the hell I want. That's what I love about being agnostic.
+Sm0k4bl3 It's funny how people are so misled by the fact that religious follow rules of the bible. Of course they do, but that's not the reason why they'll only be bound by those. We are all people before being a religious or not, and it has been proven by a research study that people are born good, to make good choices. We are only influenced by the environment as we grow up. So if you think about it, laws are only there to remind us what is good and what is not. And even if religious people follow rules, at the end of the day, we all live in a country where we have to follow rules!
Chris Mentalist The guy in the video gave me the idea he wants others to follow his example like he's the atheïst messiah telling us all how we should act and behave.
I make my own decisions about what I say or not, I don't need him for that.
Yeah I know there are rules and laws, doesn't mean some random youtuber can create these laws for me and expect me to take him seriously.
+Sm0k4bl3 Yeah, I understand what you mean, you won't follow him...
What I was pointing out is the fact that people think that believers are stupid because they follow rules of a book and don't think by themselves! That's why I mentioned the research study. What I want to say here, and you probably won't agree, is that: the bible doesn't force us to do things, it just reminds us of what is good and not good, because as we grow in the society, this gets blurry. We are all born good, but our environment changes us, and the bible is just a reminder, just like states' laws are. You are free to follow laws or not, you'll just deal with the consequences, good or not.
1. "I lost my faith": I agree we shouldn't say that.
2. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence": I think that's a fair thing to say. True, there's currently no evidence, but if someone DID provide some weak evidence, it wouldn't be convincing. So we WOULD actually expect extraordinary evidence. In any case, that line emphasises the huge gap between the actual evidence and the evidence that would be needed to make a skeptic believe an extraordinary claim. So I disagree on this one.
In any case, theists generally believe there is plenty of evidence that their god exists. "Just look around you!" Perhaps we need to be more specific about the kind of evidence that is needed - evidence that can't be used to support a competing religion's god, for example.
3. "Everyone is born an atheist": I agree that "atheist" usually means a person who has thought about it.
Some atheists, Matt Dillahunty for example, are quite clear that "atheist" simply means someone without god-belief, which would include babies, Buddhists, deists/pantheists, and people who haven't been exposed to any kind of theism, for whatever reason.
When theists see the word "atheist", they think of Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens or David Silverman - public, outspoken atheists, who might even be called "career atheists".
I was glad to see tornado survivor Rebecca Vitsmun interviewed by Wolf Blitzer, demonstrating that a sweet housewife can be an atheist too.
4. "We can be good without god": I'm not sure that "no one ever says that atheists are bad, immoral people". I think theists generally think that atheists are less moral than they are, because we don't believe in their god. Perhaps we should say "We are AS GOOD AS god-believers", or "Statistically, the most atheist societies are the healthiest".
5. "I trust science, not some 2000-year-old book": I do NOT think that saying that is implying that something special happened 2000 years ago. Parts of the bible were written MORE than 2000 years ago, and some, less, and translations and edits have been made ever since. I think the phrase "bronze-age mythology" is a better one to use though.
6. "You can't reason someone out of something they were never reasoned into in the first place": I agree with you.
7. "I don't believe in god": Depends what you mean by "believe in". I do not think that saying that is implying that "god does exist but we're choosing to delude ourselves".
I agree, it's better to say "I don't accept the claim that [your, or any] god exists" or something like that. I just say "I don't believe that [your] god exists".
8. "Religion doesn't make any sense": I see your point. I think that when anyone says that something "doesn't make sense", they're saying that it "doesn't make sense TO ME". But I take your point that it's better not to say that, and "illogical", "incoherent", "contradictory", etc are better, although you could argue that they amount to the same thing as "doesn't make sense to me".
9. "You can't just pick and choose what you want to believe": I think the point of this statement is just to point out inconsistencies. Christians say the bible is the perfect inerrant word of god, but then they eat shellfish, wear clothes made of more than one type of fabric, fail to stone people to death, etc, directly disobeying god's commands as stated in his perfect book. Why is it wrong to point this out?
Thanks for the video. Plenty of food for thought.
As far as #2, I prefer what Christopher Hitchens said: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
Boom, that's perfect. Gotta respect Hitchens
#5 "I was born an atheist."
Atheism is to religion as to nakedness is to clothing style.
We are all born NAKED.
I became an artiest because one day I just sat down and thought about it.
Books are for fucking nerds.
Yea damn the smart people, what with there constant questions.
*****
Tell me, do you accept evolution as the fact it clearly is? or do you deny it?
the fact it clearly is? According to who? Many ex-evolutionists now discredit your precious evolution theory!
Bullshit.
Name one credible person that denies evolution.
And calling it evolutionist implies it relies on faith, which it doesn't.
Am I also a gravitationalist for "believing" gravity is a thing ?
It's observable.
But, instead of going over the billion examples that show evolution is real.
What do you believe ?
Why do we have rudimentary organs ?
If heaven is for foolish, then let the nerds take hell!
I'm a atheist but I would never say anyone their god doesn't exists. Thats just rude
exactly.
+Ramiro Lombardo M Respect to you for that.
+Ramiro Lombardo M I'm opposed to rape, but I would never tell a rapist that what he's doing is immoral. That's just rude.
+AlexOfMacedonAOMH WTF. Having faith is not inmoral. I WOULD argue if the person were harming someone because he/she has faith in a god. You can believe whatever you want. The problem starts when people hurt other people. Our rights ends when the other's starts. I would NEVER suport rape. And being anti-religion just makes people less tolerant.
^ has a point
I'm a christian so religion has nothing to with my faith.
.........wait
No, don't hesitate. Christianity doesn't fit the definition of of religion because there aren't any rules or traditions you have to follow in order to be accepted by God. So basically you can't earn earn god's favor by doing good things because you already have it.
Joe Stier No rules? Isn't there something like um a rule book oh right the bible and even if you don't rely on the book itself you still probably follow the teachings of jesus christ yeah? he definitely had rules and his dad did too.
Joe Stier
This is one of those guys that changes all the rules and definitions and acts like this is common knowledge.
Joe Stier What you're describing isn't any denomination of the Christian church. You're just saying you believe in God. That's it. Sorry, but that's still a religion anyways. Not a standard religion, but a religion nonetheless. You believe in a higher power, and you DO have a way of life and a rulebook. You said it yourself. What you've said here is describing the rules of your odd little one man religion. Don't go bullshitting around saying Christianity isn't a religion, because it is. And it's a damn old one at that.
My grandma said it best "I gave up religion for Lent"
Top 1 things Atheists should STOP saying:
- Stop saying other Atheists what they should or shouldn't say. This is not a freaking religion... the end.
You must not be talking to the same theists I am. ALL of them that I encounter seem to pull out the "you can't be good without god" argument first thing. Heck, just browse through the comment threads of almost every atheist video out there and I bet you'll find a Christian claiming that atheists are senseless heathens with the moral capacity of beasts in at least half of them.
Also, I think the "we're all born atheists" argument is more about religious indoctrination than anything else. Many atheists believe that atheism is a default position and are trying to use this as an argument against bringing children up to believe. It's not about including babies in our numbers; it's about making sure they *stay* part of our numbers as adolescents and adults. Or at least most of the times that I've heard the argument.
what made me athiest?
"THINKING" period
혜빈이 what turned me Christian? *thinking*, when i found what I got off my ass to look for. PROOF
In defense of prayer and such. The placebo effect can occur and thus help individuals in certain cases. But so would praying to popcorn be if you believed.
When someone asks me why I don't believe the Bible, somehow saying "I started thinking" makes me a confused person.
when I was 7-8 I told my dad that instead of going in to church I would just sit in the car and think about god, he said "no, when we think too much about these things we start to doubt them"
I just say that I don't believe in the existence of a deity
+Jessica Gurney Great! What proof do you have that deities don't exist?
***** What proof do you have that a deity does exist?
+Jessica Gurney I'm an Atheist, I'm just asking to see what or how you approach this question, which is basically the same thing that I'd do.
***** haha I thought that I was going to have to start a debate
***** Yes i do reject Christ and I also deny him. The Part about pride, immorality, sinfulness, lies and deceit, I would like you to explain for me.
1. Lost faith- I agree.
2. extraordinary evidence- used when theists don't understand that every claim is not equal in believability.
3. Born atheist- used when theist asserts that everyone knows about their god from birth.
4. good without god.- used when theist asserts that their god is the moral law giver. (This is still a popular argument among many fundamental theists and most bible literalists). Though "good despite god" could catch on.
5. 2000 year old book- I agree.
6. reason- I agree.
7.I don't believe in god- I agree even though I am guilty of saying that all the time.
8. Religion doesn't make sense- I agree. (For real and lol)
9. choose what you believe- used when theists assert that you, the atheist, choose not to believe in their god because you... (insert straw man here).
1)-2)-5)-6)-8)Agree
3)Agree with MRuth. I think it initiates discussion that religion is a taught behavior. Usually followed by the examination of how unusual it is that babies end up with the same behavior as their geographical location. Or, I could go with the 1, 3 combo, "I haven't Lost my Faith b/c I wasn't born with any."
4) Agree with MRuth. -I don't know who HM is knows but his saying that "no one, including conservative christians say that all atheists are bad and immoral", ummm, yes they do. Some really, really believe that. Although I liked his seat-belt reference.
7)Agree, but. I can say, "I don't believe in Unicorns." and unlike the death penalty reference where we can prove that it exists, there is no proof to the existence of unicorns, etc. Although I agree that changing the way I phrase these sorts of statements is an easy fix to a nit-pick argument. But to say, "I don't believe in the existence of a god/gods" is pretty much the same thing. Wouldn't something more along the lines of, "I don't accept the premise of" be a better phrasing?
9) Pick and choose/HM"it doesn't give them an out" but I don't want to give them an "out." I want them to hit the brick wall so that possibly, #6 can happen. Although again, I get his point. We need to be more accepting of the small steps.
I prefer the Hitchens quote “What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence” instead of the typical “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”
The problem is that eyewitness testimony is a form of evidence, even if it's the least reliable, it's the most frequent form used in court. So when a religious person claims to see god or some other heavenly person, their testimony can be entered in as evidence, even if we suspect that they're lying or delusional.
6:56 When i was in 6th grade, i met someone who was openly atheist, and i learned a lot from him. When he first told me he didn't believe in god, it baffled me because i couldn't imagine not believing, and the first thing that came out of my mouth was "You're going to Hell...." I regret that every day of my life.
yeah that's messed up, Hopefully he can get to know Jesus, hopefully you repent and turn back to Jesus Christ, time is short.
Um, you do realize that this sort of commenting is about the equivalent of me going on a christian youtube video and saying that they need to stop believing in fairy tales, right? In short, because time is such, try to refrain from saying something like that unless the other person asks for it. Not if i was talking about how stupid religious people are, then maybe i would deserve such a comment, but that was a comment explaining my first experience with Atheism. Does all of this make sense?
Oh I understood it perfectly, but I also understand that your soul is in danger and I'm sent to warn you that time is short and Jesus Christ is reaching out to you, now just so you know, I'm quite aware that you "don't believe in God" but I have a few questions 1.Do you say "Oh my God" 2. What is the worst thing that can happen if God is real? 3. Do you love anyone?
Joshua Underwood Jesus himself said that the second coming of god was going to happen before his generation was over.... that was over 2000 years ago. Do you think that the first failed doomsayer in recorded history is reaching out to anybody?
1. What does saying "OMG" matters anyway? The same way that sometimes I say holy s h ! t doesn't mean I'm venerating somebody's feces.
2. According to the bible, many bad things can happen if god is real. If he doesn't like a few people, he burns down a whole city or floods everything. He will kill your firstborn or give you a painful disease just to prove a point. He is a very malevolent and narcissistic god. Even if there was proof that he was real, maybe I would believe in him, but would still not praise such an insecure and petty deity.
3. Not believing in Santa Claus doesn't make me not love gifts, not believing in the Easter Bunny doesn't make me not like chocolate, the same way that not believing in an invisible man in the sky doesn't make me incapable of love. That question is none of your business, and irrelevant anyway.
Joshua Underwood First of all, i would like to ask you how you know that you're the one that is sent to warn me? has this deity spoken to you directly,, and even if he did, then why did he not come to me? If he is so powerful to reach beyond space and time to connect to you and supposedly countless others, then why does he ignore some? Any rational mind would come to the conclusion that that it would be illogical to claim that everyone should know your existence but only tell a few people. Secondly, similar to Suny Portalatin said, the use of the phrase "Oh my god" has strayed from the literal meaning to a more metaphorical meaning that could best be described as expressing a state of shock. As for your next point, "what is the worst thing that can happen if god is real?" If a god does exist, and he is the one that you speak of, then i would hope that he would look at all the things i have done in my life and decide that I am a good person. However, I must ask you what if he's not real? Have you wasted your entire life worshiping a nonexistent being? Or even worse, what if you have been worshiping the wrong being. Surly that would be worse than denying his existence. At least when you question the legitimacy of their being, your not saying that some other god is better than them. Moving on to your third and final point, i find it quite offensive that you assume that everyone that doesn't believe what you believe is incapable of certain emotions. Yes i do love someone because I love everyone! Sure i get mad at others at time, but I never truly wish death upon someone. And if your entire bases of love revolves around the existence of a god, then do you truly love someone, or do you have a sort of pseudolove? I would guess that these question are pointless due to the fact that there is no supporting evidence to a deity of any kind, but for the sake of the argument, then please do answer them. I will end this note by recommending that you take a look at his other video of what Christians should not say.
I disagree with quite a few points here, look forward for nice response voicing my disagreement. :D
Right there with ya; my video critiquing this one is already up. :)
We'll be waiting Daniel! :)
I look forward to it!
I wonder what would you call one who believes in God and Jesus, but doesn't believe in the bible that was written by men that was called: Inspired by God's will?
I wonder what that'd make me. I mean I believe in God sure, but I really have no evidence or proof he exists and therefore cannot back it up in why I believe in him I just do.I believe in a forgiving and loving God, unlike most false prophets these days. Not here to start arguments, just wondering what I'd be called in this world.
*****
I don't need to believe in him, I just do. It was how I was
raised. I was raised Christian but I gave up the bible and kept my faith in God
and Jesus. I believe in a God that loves all his creations and when the time
comes if we ask to go home with him and accept him as he accepts us we will go
with him and he shall forgive us for any sins we have done.
That's what Jesus did; all our sins went to him, which is
why his blood was spilled. Our sins are to be forgiven through his selfless
sacrifice.
Now I'm not saying that the only reason I still believe in
God is because of how I was raised, I still believe in God because knowing that
helps ease my fear of what comes after death and it helps soothe the ache in
knowing that there is a place for the loved ones I've lost and for any of my
pets that have gone. I just don't want to believe they vanished into oblivion
after they left this earth. I'd like to believe that after I die I will see
them again. This is why I still have faith in my one true God.
***** I'm not scared of dying. I can accept death. I can accept that people die. But it makes me feel comfort that there might be something on the other side. I'm not scared of dying, only what comes after.
***** I do value my life as much as everyone else. You can tell me nothing comes after but it's not what I believe. Let bygones be bygones and not bicker on our beliefs or shove them upon each other. If I believe there is something after, I believe, if you don't then you don't. No need to call each other fools, weak or shallow minded.
MistressFailGame This should seriously become a new form of religion. People who have their faith in god, but dont study or believe in the bible. Like........ Inspiratism? I dunno.
Castiel Novak Hahaha well thank you Castiel. I'm not sure what you'd call it though. I believe in a loving and merciful God..anymore ideas?
A documentary on televangelism and faith healing that I watched in middle school began my growth. Seeing the way it damaged and deluded broke many illusions for me as a child. Especially when a blind boy could "see" and six months later was found to still be blind...
You say 'faith' but what you really mean is religion.
Faith is what you invest into something.
Religion _is_ that something.
For example, I choose to invest my faith in *logic and reason*. Some choose to put their faith in -The Chronicles of Mr Skybeard- the bible.
You should not put faith in logic and reason. You should only rely on logic and reason if you see evidence that it works.
beauxq Given the amount of hard data and the time it requires to test them, you should definitly put faith in he claims of others in order to live: by now, it would require a thousand lifetimes just to make sure by yourself what about modern day science is true or false...
If you decide not to check eveything first hand, but trust your sources, you have put some amoun of faith (as in belief that is not confirmed by evidence that you've experienced firsthand) into them, and that's OK. I believe that's what BrEnNo1023 implied.
tetramir ferrand I didn't say anything about what's true or false. What's true or false doesn't matter. No one can ever know what's true or false. Even if you had a thousand lifetimes, you still wouldn't be sure.
beauxq Well of course...what I meant is that faith can be applied to non religious matters.
Depending how you define the word, it can qualifie the trust one has in science or logic.
It's just choice of words. And saying religious people don't have the monopoly on faith could turn out to be a good thing in a religous argument.
tetramir ferrand Faith is not a good thing for anyone in any situation. You shouldn't want any part of it.
Faith, applied to non-religious situations just means you believe something even when the evidence shows it's wrong.
If you have faith that there are 6 oranges in the bowl, then even if you count 5, you still believe there are 6.
I became an Atheist after exploring the Bible. I didn't just read it. I explored it. I contemplated on the ideas and stories it had. I went into deep thought on if I thought something in it was true or not. After much exploration, over the course of about 3-4 years, I finally confirmed to myself that I am an Atheist. :)
Gavin Wightman I understand it better than most christians I know.
Gavin Wightman I have studied the full (Old and New Testament) Bible (Coverdale's Bible, Great Bible, King James II Version, Thomson's Translation, King James 21st Century Version, New Cambridge Paragraph Bible, and the Modern English Version).
I'm currently, in my free time, studying publicly-provided images of the Codex Amiantus, the oldest known copy of the bible to survive in its entirety. However, considering my Latin isn't exactly at its best, I have two translation books, a dictionary, and a book on Latin grammatical structure.
Gavin Wightman Oh, well, that's also another reason I am Atheist. There is no existing original copy, so no translation existing is right.
Gavin Wightman The parts where it condones rape, incest, murder, the idea that the world is only 6,000 years old. the idea that 2 of every species can fit on a wooden vessel that is smaller than the Titanic, and the hatred towards bacon.
Gavin Wightman All of them, considering I've read it completely, in multiple versions/translations.
I am an atheist, because I read the Bible
well then i guess you'll have no excuse when you go before God
If you read the Bible, now try studying it, objectively.
Stay off the atheist websites if you want the truth.
and why is that?
joey hershel Oh no, I read it. I shall argue the citations I am very uncomfortable with. If he refuses to listen to me or explain it, then why would I want to be with such a "God." If God exists. So actually, I do have MANY excuses.
Darwins Myth
You mean "stay off the world". Reality is enough to disprove the bible. In fact reality is the base of what you will find on "atheist websites", so you don't really need them; simply educate yourself about the world that surrounds you.
Atheism did exist long before the internet. Atheism even existed long before the bible was written.
It's not a strawman, I've literally talked to 2 people who said atheists are immoral (and immediately convinced them otherwise) Of course, none of us were adults at the time, and that's probably the problem.
Babies aren't born Atheists. They are born as blank slates, as innocent and impressionable human beings. John Locke put it best, and I stand by that to this day.
I agree.
And a child should be exposed to different religions and different beliefs.
I am a Christian but I also took different classes like World Religions and Philosophy, those classes helped me to view the world a lot more differently than from the small view from church.
I still believe in God, because it's real to me. However, I am more tolerant and understand to why other people wouldn't believe. and honestly, a lot of Christians are just plain small minded.
Jenn X exposure of faith to people that weren't brainwashed as kids (Children believe anything you tell them) will probably lead them to learn that it's bullshit
Henk Vis
No, you need to let them decide for themselves what they think is important. And let them decide what values they think are important.
I mean, I learned all kind of different religions but that ultimately made me believe how God is more real to ME. But after exposure to everything, it also made me formulate my own thoughts about God NOT just from what I heard from other people.
Jenn X you're basically saying you made something up you like. That's fine
Jenn X i'm open for things and ideas that's the reason I reject it as truth.
His first point about saying, "I lost MY faith," made me think, "It was never MY faith! It was forced upon me from an early and tender age."
I didn't give up MY faith. I didn't reject MY faith. I rejected and gave up my parent's faith. I rejected my Pastor's faith. This is hard for people to deal with. They are giving up something they were brought up to believe and value. It's a form of brainwashing that I have to constantly fight in myself to try and maintain my rationality.
When I was eight years old, I had to fight to BELIEVE what they were teaching me, so I valued it even more when I was older.
I agree that the "cafeteria" christians are a big improvement over the fundamentalists. That being said, I just can't BE one. I hear a sermon based upon all these myths and legends and I think, "When is humanity EVER going to outgrow this stuff?"
Sir Drand I'm starting to see a trend when comparing the US to other, first world, countries... They don't seem to be as "hung up" about religion as we are. "One nation under God, In God we trust" and all that.
It would have been nice not to have been indoctrinated into a nation wide cult from an early age.
Atheist are obsessed with talking about Christians but claim that Christians are the ones harassing them. Cant we just agree to disagree and move on. Just share your beliefs or disbeliefs ( debate each other without the put downs) and then move on and leave each other alone. It is that simple.
I wish it was that simply but some people just dont know how to let it go or they are just plain disrespectful. There was a guy that felt it was ok to be disrespectful just because I told him I was an atheist and he thought it was a good idea to say that atheists have no morality or they have no moral basis, and started comparing atheists to Mao and Stalin. I'm respectful to christians, except for when they start being disrespectful. That's like if you started generalizing all muslims because of what certain groups have done. Everyone is a human being and should be respected as such.
Also, that is untrue that atheists are obsessed with talking about christians. Sometimes it's just things (a certain group of) christians do that makes up angry or bothers us. Maybe once these groups stop trying to enforce their ideas on others, atheists will stop giving a damn and they'll have to find someone else to do.
T Brown I support the ideas that joemann7971 presented. *that is untrue that atheists are obsessed with talking about christians.* and so on. And it is not as you put it *that simple*. Agreeing to disagree doesn't solve problems just like being color blind doesn't equal equality. The emotions and ideas involved are too strong for this bucolic view you are pushing.
Religions just weigh humanity down so much
Religion to me just wastes peoples time, and more importantly religions have simple answers that denies any purpose to find out facts on the universe like "are we alone", religion is all like yep.
I want to look deeper and deeper in the universe but religion is dragging everyone down to a point of idiocy and ignorance
Dylan Koch Religion is not stopping you from "looking deeper and deeper in the universe" you just want to complain about it and make it your enemy.
So lets just say for a second that Jesus is real and died for all our sins. Does that not include non belief? So does it really matter if we dont believe. If he turned out to be real then we will go to heaven anyways because Jesus died and exonerated me of all my sins. Just a question I've never gotten a clear answer on.
The Bible specifies that the one unforgivable sin is blasphemy which is the denial of God or mockery of God.
The answer is in the fist four books of the new testament. You have probably heard John 3:16, for a quick answer anyways but the books of John, Mark, Luke, and Matthew tell first hand experiences with Jesus. To get a full understanding you should read all four.
So correct me if I'm wrong here then. Since non belief is the only unforgivable sin all I have to do is believe and everything else I do is exonerated?
R Nordy Not quite, it has to be sincere, you can't just say, "I believe in God," and then everything is fine. You have to actually, sincerely mean it.
A Christian Science Enthusiast But why can I not "sincerely" believe he is there but not believe in any rule or story he tells me? Its like if someone I met is a compulsive liar. I believe he is a real person but I dont believe a single story he tells me. Ik that doesn't exactly equate to a God but that was the best example I could come up with. You can believe something is there without believing its stories. What does "sincerely mean it" mean any way?
The world would be so much better if everybody would be an atheïst
By "atheist" you mean "Nihilist," right?
no
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Then tell me: What do you believe in instead of God, and why would everything be better if everyone were Atheist? Only Nihilists think in such absolutes.
bigjew899 I don't have religious believes, those are fairytails to me. But to say I believe in nothing does not feel right to me, because I do believe in something much greater than any religion, and those are things like respect, tolerance, equality, acceptance, generosity, compasion, hardiness, ... I believe these things are very powerfull, and that the world should dedicate their believes in that. The world should stop waisting their believes in these religions (wich allot of the time form a huge obstacle to these keystones I believe in), and start believing in these REAL valuable things.
*****
Well since those are qualities that living beings have, that would make you a Materialist (belief that living beings share a greater relationship with each other that exceeds the relationship that a supreme being has with living things). I was just making sure. A lot of Atheists are Nihilists (who believe that chaos is reality and that Entropy is the only one true certainty in the world) in disguise. Thought you were one of them. I agree with you btw. Humanism/Materialism is one of the better belief systems out there.
"Why do you pick and choose what you want to believe?"
"I'm sorry, do you WANT me to follow the whole bible?"
***** YES! THANK YOU.
***** You think you can remember all those doctrines? Especially if you don't follow EVERYTHING as with all things some of the things in the bible are outdated. I think it's time for a revision.
***** u basically r being forced....u got heaven or hell.....
Of course ull rather pick heaven! Bcuz ur afraid of hell!
***** please kindly stfu and stop youtube preaching to a bunch of athiests who dont believe in god.
***** jesus is not real
Regarding the last point, they have a way out. They could just reject their faith. I don't get why you should have to tip-toe around the subject of faith. Religious beliefs are just ideas, and you should be able to critizise bad ideas as much as you want. I live in Sweden, and here it's almost a bit embarrasing for people to admit they are christians, because almost everyone knows just how inconsistant with reality it is.
Hey atheist here. I was wondering: how do I tell my family, who is completely Christian (with the exception of me), that I am an atheist? And how? I asked my grandma why my school was allowed to sing about God when my school is a public school, and she went on this long rant about how ppl need to believe in God. Please help me I don't know how and when to tell them.
*+Dena Mello*
You don't, at least until you're out of the house and have a steady job, and have possibly even gone through college already. That will save you a ton of trouble in the long run.
Bradley I'm not even in high school :/ many years of keeping it in May just result in depression
Dena Mello I agree you shouldn't tell your parents for a while but to help you deal with the depression and frustration you should try to blog or create a RUclips channel and just express your feelings through there. This has helped me and I hope it can help you.
elibeth1211 Yep I love to lie to myself and worship a maniac that doesn't exist
I went through the same struggle. I felt so frustrated that I couldn't just be myself and I had to pretend to worship something that so obviously was fake. I ended up just gradually hinting at it until it was obvious to my family that I didn't believe any more. Once they confronted me, I didn't lie. I'm gonna be honest, most of my friends and family were accepting. Although my mother was very upset at the time I think she's given up on trying to win me back. I still haven't told my grandmother or most of the more religious side of my family and I think that's for the best. They wouldn't understand and they would only think less of me for it. I think that as long as you don't have to see them very often, just keep up the charade until you're an adult. I've found that adults don't take you seriously until you're out of school. Believe me once you go to college, no one gives a shit and it's amazing. Just keep pulling through. I hope your family was as accepting as mine was.
You make the bold assertion that there is absolutely no evidence that faith healing works. Wow...that makes you as all-knowing as the God you say you don't believe in, or...you lack the common grace of intellectual integrity. You then go on to put forth the challenge that it a person doesn't have to put forth a high demanding challenge of proof, simply a low one of one single piece of evidence. Well, Mr. Voice of Atheism (are you sure other atheists are happy about you being their representative voice?), my simple evidence is several instances of my own, my wife, and some folks I know, personally. Of course, you would say that my experiences don't count unless I am able to provide corroborating scientific or medical evidence (of course the kind that you would accept as valid). I understand that you don't have to believe it just because I said it here, but I'm not arguing a theoretic religious doctrine. I'm speaking from personal experience. But, then....I've been to this rodeo before. You will likely now say that my experiences are some kind of coincidence. Some perhaps. But many, absolutely not. I would say that one thing that atheists should stop doing is to drop all the extreme hyperbole. You, Atheist's voice cannot prove that there is absolutely no evidence (anywhere implied) that faith healing works. If I were an Atheist, I would ask for my money back for admission to your show.
Gary Ellis All we say is that every time faith healing is properly tested, to cancel out statistical bias, placebo etc., it has always been proven not to do anything.
The problem is that, for every person that is healed, there are tons that die.
Are you saying that they are somehow less worthy than you?
You need to look at hits in the context of misses too, otherwise you fall into the "sharpshooter fallacy", a.k.a. confirmation bias (call out hits, ignore misses).
If the *overall* rate of hits is
Gary Ellis "Please foot note that argument with a variety of tests and methods".
No problem, here are the studies I know about:
Several studies turned out to be frauds or have known errors, but I included all of them, for full disclosure:
"Clean" ones:
-Corner and Kahlick 1997 - no benefit.
-Sicher 1998 showed some improvement, but only 40 patients, so it's statistically not that useful.
-Mayo clinic 2001 - no effect
-Leibovici 2001 very minimal effect that fits within random chance.
-MANTRA study 2005 - No effect
-STEP project 2006 - No effect when double-blind, actually showed that it may be bad for you if you're prayed for and know it (performance anxiety).
Known errors, frauds and controversy:
-Byrd and Harris 1998 and 1999. Type I errors / sharpshooter fallacy.
-IVF-ET prayer scandal 2001 - financial fraud.
-O'Laoire 1997 - positive effects shown. Controversy. Original article claims benefits, "Psychological Perspectives on Prayer" claims no effects.
Gary Ellis "First, How are you personally proving , by scientific method of observation and repetition that...
//for every one that is healed, there are tons that die//?"
Remission frequency is estimated to vary from about 1 in 100,000 (melanoma etc.) to about 22% (breast cancer).
Hobohm U (October 2001). "Fever and cancer in perspective".
Gnagyusa lnpilot
What??!! How does that address your hyperbolic conjecture that for every one person healed, there are tons that die? That's how you interpreted a 2001 study and that only deals with one field of illness. Cancer. Did you have someone die of cancer and are pissed off that they died? I'm not trying to be insensitive because that would be horrible. But, what is emotionally driving you to disprove God or healing?
Gary Ellis "But, you still are discounting my personal experience and insisting as valid your impossible standards of proof that corroborates the idea of nobody anywhere?"
No. What I'm saying is that a positive personal experience (hit) is statistically useless without the context of the corresponding misses.
Sure, there may not be an perfect way to collect ALL the data, but we should strive to be accurate.
I'm in computer science and deal with a lot of practical probability situations on a daily basis (numerical integrals of non-linear multi-dimensional functions with extreme low-probability/high-contribution events etc).
You'd be surprised how easily humans get fooled, as a lot of statistics is not intuitive because we didn't evolve to deal with it.
Quantum mechanics is unintuitive for most people, we didn't evolve to deal with it, but without it, we wouldn't have the computers to have this discussion.
Don't get me wrong. I'd like to believe in these faith healing etc, I'm just not willing to compromise.
I mean, if we lower our standards for evidence, where do we draw the line? Alien abductions, Yeti, Homeopathy?
This is getting to hypothetical without knowing the exact details, but of course, you don't have to disclose them here.
Ken Ham is debating Bill Nye over creationism tonight actually.
Theists usually ask "well what do you believe?" or "do you believe in anything?", to which I say...
- "Because of what I want, Beliefs are not my walking"
- "huh?, well what do you want?"
- "I want the truth about Reality, I can see clearly Beliefs or Faith are not the way to this, my method is Reason and Evidence"
I didn't lose my "ability to act as if X idea was true"(Faith) , I just stopped using it as a method to know Reality.
I realized I was a atheist when Christianity just didn't feel right.
I've watched several atheist channels, and although I am not an atheist myself, I respect you. You do not give your message in a mocking, sarcastic tone, and you think rationally.
I think many atheists are mocking because they are ridiculing beliefs that they find ridiculous, and assume that they are speaking either to fellow atheists or to hostile apologists. I would never speak to a believer that way in person, and I'm sorry if you've been disrespected by others in the community. I think it gives us a bad name, and poisons what could be very fruitful conversations for both sides.
I like to use their words to prove my point. It goes like this.
When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.
I don't really agree with #9... I understand your point, but the point of saying it is to show how illogical it is to follow the bible at all. You can't really believe in 100% of what the bible says anyways, because it contains contradictions. Why give them an "out"? You've just shown them they shouldn't really be Christians at all.
well said
0:25 "I lost my verginity"
2spooky4me it's on 69 likes..I will leave it just there
I grew out of santa clause at 6, and I grew out of religion at 15.
WOOOO!
*****
yes, I did too, I had very skilled parents in making me believe xD
it was all in good fun, though
I never got into religion. Saves alot of trouble.
Lol funny thing is I believed in Santa for the same reason I believed in a god XD my entire class did. My parents, luckily, never pushed religion on us and yet I'm the only atheist in my family lol!
I totally disagree with the part about "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" When you say faith healing has no evidence, you are wrong. It has some evidence, just not any good evidence. What evidence does it have? Anecdotal of course. And anecdotal evidence is poor evidence. But it is not zero evidence. And, in fact, we accept anecdotal evidence every day. If I told you I walked to the store today, that is anecdotal evidence, and yet you would probably believe me. But if I said I flapped my arms and flew to the store, you probably would not believe me, even though I offered you the same amount of evidence for both claims. Why? Because *extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence*, that is why!
In science anecdotal "evidence" isn't accepted as evidence. So they still have absolutely no evidence to support their claim. The reason someone might not call you out on going to the store is because there is no reason for them to do so but once they do call you out on it saying "well I did do it" simply isn't enough. It wouldn't be considered evidence then either.
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The reason anecdotal evidence isn't accepted in science is because it is not *good* evidence. It is not *no* evidence. And you are completely correct that different circumstances call for different levels of evidence. And where anecdotal evidence might be sufficient in some circumstances, it is not in other circumstances. In short, someone saying something happened is *of course* some evidence that it happened. Testimony is by definition some evidence.
I would consider anecdotes information and not evidence. Once that information is shown to be accurate then it could be considered evidence for something but until then it is just a claim, an assertion with no ability to prove anything since it has yet to be verified. I'm not too big on arguing semantics so I'll just say this, science doesn't operate on bad evidence therefore there is no reason to accept any religious statement on bad evidence. We scrutinize all ideas just the same and without bias. So regardless of if you consider it evidence or not it still wouldn't meet the basic standards that we require in science.
Ouro
Well, for one, there are "hard sciences" and "soft sciences". History, for example is a "soft science". And in history, there are lower standards of evidence, and people's testimony is often what is given as sufficient evidence of an event -- so long as the event is otherwise reasonably probable.
Did you know that in Texas, you can be convicted of a crime based on purely one person's testimony? I was on a prospective jury panel. The prosecutor told us some basics about the case. It was a mugging. The prosecutor told us that the primary evidence is the testimony of the victim. And that on Texas law, if you believe the testimony of one person, that is by itself sufficient to convict. That seems wrong to me, your word against mine. But, that is what the prosecutor said.
Theists will often conflate different standards of evidence. And that different circumstances call for different standards. And of course hard sciences will not accept simple testimony. So theists will try to say they are using the standards of evidence of history and law. Of course they are not, they don't understand how to apply the different standards.
But, I think it is NOT helpful for us to basically do the same thing -- to not understand that there are different kinds and standards of evidence and that the different standards are applicable in different situations. Thus to say "no evidence" when people's testimony is clearly evidence is incorrect and not helpful.
CaseAgainstFaith1
Dear Sir, or Madam, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Being an atheist doesn't make me, or anyone, correct about things right of the bat. While I do like and do agree with many of Hemant Mehta's points, this one is not among them.
I'm happy because I'm an atheist.
really? im having a fan-fuckingtastic life! and hell, ahhahahaahhah hell doesn't exist. do research.
+elibeth1211 not sure if trolling or just stupid
never mind I just looked at your channel
***** Your god is completely imaginary, nobody lives in you besides tiny cells, organs, tissue, mass, veins, blood,good bacteria and possible bad bacteria, and bones.
Humans are nothing but fragile little balls of matter.
*****
I can disgard any stories or words anytime I want. There is a lot of other religions out there, and you ignore all the other gods and chose that religion.
Therefore, I can also ignore your religion just like you ignored all other religions, quoting a video there.
But the thing is, for god there has never been evidence, for evolution there is plenty.
***** not to me lol. I have never experienced any approach from god to me, would have noticed that dont you think?
Mathies I don't think you could ever find physical evidence for God himself. At best you'd just find his work.
Mathies look for evidence, and u will find it, read the damn book
Why is there a lot of Christians? How are the other miracles happening? My life has a lot of miracles and everyone has to and most of us call it gut but they don't know that it is Christ, so how do you explain that? God is good. God bless you.
I gave up religion on my own without anyone telling me. I just never really believed in it completely. I gave it up when I was 8, which is pretty young. I was surrounded by religious people but I still decided on my own. But you're right, debates and discussion are very important to those who are not exposed to that kind of information.
Yeah, debates are important to me even now. It helps me understand the two sides and the reasoning for both of them.
i was a theist until 6 when i learn how to critically think. then because of my growing intelligence i discovered that we are creatures with an objective purpose but gained enough intelligence to decide to add too/change our purpose. this thought at 7-8 filled me with joy, while a theist i felt very suck to a straight path that was predetermined by an omniscient god. when i became an atheist i became free, and i realized my purpose fairly quickly, and because of this i feel fulfilled.
Chuck Mick morality does not exist, its a construct made by society to keep order. its a good idea but creates problems over time. hope is a word i use to describe leaving it up to chance. one tends to hope when a situation its out of their control. also common sense does not work in science. for example non newtonian liquids don't make common sense, and in math .999999= 1, it does not make common sense but it is true. faith is what people use to explain phenomenon without any proof. im sure real scientist dont claim it popped up out of nowhere, we don't know how but i'm sure over time we might figure it out, lack of evidence is not a good reason to substitute faith.
Man, what happened to you?
You suddenly started to talk without sense...
"Everyone is born an atheist" means that people only identify with a religion if they are born into a family whose religious. what it means is that "your religion is chosen by your parents, not you"
No, it means that babies don't believe in gods. You can still be an atheist and be religious.
Aeghamedic you can? isn't that more agnosticism? but it is true, babies have nothing to do with gods unless their parents force it on them
DarkSoulsSauron Some Buddhists don't believe in a god but still believe in all the spiritual, soul mumbo jumbo.
"Everyone is born a non-baseball fan" means that people only identify with baseball if they are born into a family that likes baseball. What it means is that "your sports fandom is chosen by your parents, not you"
While the statement "everyone is born an atheist" may be technically correct, it is effectively meaningless and worthless. Nobody is born a baseball fan. Or an engineer. Or a coffee drinker. Or numerous other things.
mdak06 true, you choose what you do with your life, but how many people ACTIVELY choose religion if they weren't already indoctrinated by their parents? anyone i know whose parents didn't force a religion on them are agnostic or atheist today. religion is heriditary
Oh! I love this. As a former Christian, and a victim of being taught as a kid, I’d love it if some one tried to “witness” to me. Agree w what you said but also would point out the following...
1) Ask why aren’t they Mormon? They believe everything Rick Warren does plus some extra stuff. Great reply when they throw out Pascal’s wager.
2) Do they care if their god is moral? Point them to Exodus 21, and ask them about slavery and owning a human.
3) Do they care that the Bible is errant? Ask them how Judas died exactly according to the holy book.
4) Do they care if what they believe is true? If so, how do they know beyond a feeling? I can believe that a girl I just met wants to marry me based on a feeling but without evidence my proposal would be crazy.
5) Do they care that none of the 4 gospel books were eye witnesses nor were they written in the name sakes language?
6) Do they care that prayer doesn’t work? Site the Pubmed references
I could go on but this stuff is poison to a Christian that is questioning
I will add "I believe in science" to the list of things I am tired of hearing. Science is not a belief system.
I have NEVER heard an atheist say "I lost my faith" lol... It's funny because if there ever was such a thing as a fundamental atheist, it would be you.
That's a little unfair. Hemant isn't fundamentalist, and neither is Dawkins. In Hemant's case, he's unmoving but he's fair. Dawkins has been arguing with bone-headed Creationists for most of his life - as he's got older, he's got less tolerant, less willing to ignore.
Hannah Shut up and upload a video lol
Wise Vision LOL what the fuck
Hannah Mingo I'm sure you'll get hits Lol
*****
Um, yes, actually. He's actually telling people to think for themselves and to open their mind to new and different ideas - but not to be so receptive to all ideas that you don't rationally consider their validity under the light of skepticism. You would get no such statement under the doctrines of fundamentalism, and thus we can conclude that (although it is possible to twist his words to fundamentalism) , Dawkins is not proposing that in the slightest.
8:58 or just say.... THERE IS NO GOD hahahaha
From the other side: What I hate the most is when people ask me about my religion affinity and after I tell them I'm an atheist, the next phrase always always is "atheist thanks to god". ¬¬ Seriously!
hahahahahhaha
Hi Alice Eliot =)
Yes I can understand those expressions, but I think this is different, it is not just a "thank god". People here say literally *"atheist, thanks to god"* as a way of saying "yeah, I don't think so", they even laugh after. There is a subtle but cynical tone in their voices.
For instance, I think "thank god" or "oh my god" are expressing relief or concern respectively. But, "atheist, thanks to god" is posing some kind of questioning to someone. I really don't see the point of it.
Deverias responderles riendo hahahaha claro y los unicrnios existen solo por que escriben de ellos!
hahahahahha =P sí verdad
Saying " I lost my faith," for me is equivalent to saying I lost my fear. So, for me, not a bad statement.
You are basically having a struggle with semantics. A waste of time in my opinion. When my Mother died, my sister would tell everyone we lost our Mother. I would always tell my sister that Mom wasn't lost. She was in the cemetary. Same thing.
***** Its not negative. Its reality.
Instead of saying "I lost" they should say "I got rid of" instead.
I think I may have accidentally proven that the Christian/Jewish/Muslim versions of God do not exist mathematically. All three of these versions define God in part as a being of infinite power who created the Earth. But it just occurred to me to ask, "How easy would it be for a being of infinite power to create something finite, like the Earth?" The answer to that would be that it would be too easy, literally, meaning that he couldn't do it because it was too easy.
The reason is this: If someone's power is infinite, then what percentage of that power would be needed to create something finite? And the answer is simply: Too small. Even 0.000001% of infinity is still infinity when you look at infinity mathematically.
So even if we ignored the fact that creating something of infinite energy would instantly create a black hole so dense that everything in the universe would already be inside of it, what would be created could only have an infinite value of energy. The Earth is big, but still finite, and to create a finite amount from an infinite power would require an infinitesimal amount of effort.
Now, you could go on to say that God is infinitely subtle, since he would have to be in order to make something that is not infinite, but if God was infinitely subtle, he could use as much power as he wanted, and he still would not be able to make anything occur.
I think an easier way to visualize this is to think back to the lunar landing. When the first astronauts were being trained to walk on the moon in a low gravity simulator, they had to retrain their muscles to be more subtle to compensate for the lower gravity, since using their normal amount of power for a step made their leg just go up and up and they couldn't complete the step. Now, if they had an infinite amount of power, then it wouldn't matter how subtle they were trying to be, they wouldn't even be able to complete one single step.
And there you have it. Mathematical proof that the Christian/Jewish/Muslim versions of God are not real.
*****
Was I unclear at any point?
*****
My comment wasn't to prove that there is no God at all, rather, certain versions and conceptions of what defines God are self contradicting.
I never had faith. lol
You have no critical thinking skills - all you believe in is a book full of fantasy.
***** You don't have any proof to support that beyond the bible.
***** funny because it in the video its like it wasn't even an option to not have had faith. And you know what's also not a fantasy? The celestial teapot that is orbiting earth
That's okay, I do not require the approval of fictional characters.
I'm sure this God would be very pleased by all the hate I see a lot of Christians spreading though
***** So you suppose that we should own slaves than? There was a verse in the bible about owning slaves.
1) All of those other things should be equally distressing to a Christian.
3) There are a lot of people who have real low standards of evidence. Not sure how well that one is going to go over.
4) I think that's really a response to the people who label babies with a religion.
5) I hate to break it to you, but that's not a strawman. I have heard multiple Christians make the specific claim that atheists are immoral.
6) The book isn't 2000 years old.
I think extraordinary claims still require extraordinary evidence, but that's no higher standard than anything else. Yes, it seems more effective to ask just for a smidge of evidence, but then they'll just present hoof prints as evidence of unicorns whole ignoring a stable horses nearby. So I think extraordinary evidence is necessary.
I was a very religious person at one time and I was a creationist .When I started to listen to evolutionists and scientists and that is why I have rejected religion.Since I made this decision the burden of religion has been lifted off my shoulders and I feel I can accomplish a lot more then when I was a religious person. I am so happy in my life right now and it is a little difficult at the moment to refer to myself as an atheist
Thats sad
Your right Dean. Religion will kill you. That's the problem with all religion. It puts expectations on you that you or anyone else couldn't accomplish under any circumstances. They tell you that you are saved by grace, then they tell you if you do this your going to hell. If you do this or that it makes God happy. Pray more, give more, go to church more and the list goes on. They will deny all of what I am saying, but they are liars.I was in that crap for 35 years. God expects nothing out of us except simple faith in a sacrifice. It's called grace. Not all this other crap being shoved down peoples throats. Has nothing to do with who we are. It is who He was and His "COMPLETED" work. I am finally free. No joke!!!!
samuel Suzuki Samuel, why is that sad??
Ok
And now you accept Darwin as your infallible God , right ?
1:00 I have never had faith
"We're not giving them an out."
Yes, that's because either of their positions is irrational, and they don't deserve an "out". This is just one of many issues I had with this video, but there are too many to address.
*On point number 6:*
I tend to say there's no point in trying to use rationality to prove a point to someone who believes in things that require them to reject rationality.
Religious person: There IS a god.
Me: Why do you think that?
Religious person: Because the bible says so.
Me: Why do you believe what it says in the bible?
Religious person: Because it's the word of god.
Me: How do you know it's the word of god and not just propaganda?
Religious person: Because it says so in the bible.
I could go into the psychological tendencies we have as human beings that can give rise to these type is silly beliefs. I could demand proof. But if they can't find an answer off the top of their head, they tend to just discredit me by saying something like "..well, you are ugly" or "you will burn in Hell".
Granted my debating skills are not great on the subject cos I grew up in a place where I didn't have to deal with religious people. But wth are you supposed to do with that? I can't say anything to that idiot that will change their mind. So what's the point?
I've had the same experience. Well written!
Great description of religion's circular arguments.
My favorite summary of religion is:
When encountering the unknown:
A scientist will say: "I don't know. Let's investigate and learn / find it out.".
A religious person will say: "I don't know. Let's make shit up."
("God of the gaps").
A scientist will also adjust his/her view in light of new evidence, which I can respect.
A religious person will stubbornly try to defend his/her "shit" for centuries, despite mounting evidence to the contrary.
This gets to a point of desperate and ridiculous.
At first, gods lived on the tops of mountains (Zeus etc.). Then, we went up there and didn't find any gods.
Then religions said: "well, actually God is in the sky. Yeah, that's what we meant.".
Then we built airplanes and spaceships and realized that the sky is just the light scattering around Earth's atmosphere and there are no gods there either.
So, now religions claim that God is this outside of time and space being.
Does anyone not see a pattern here?
Bra sagt.
Bill Shallcross I am not totally sure but I am going to say for now that I think 'never' is an absolute and those are usually always wrong. If one could never change anothers mind you wouldnt have the hundreds of people commenting on this video, who like me, had their minds changed. with that said, my experience mirrors yours. i got a lot of family and friends...some who are even scientifically literate, who still hold on to their simulation with the 'chrisitian deity'. the only ones I see giving up the 'faith' are people who are diligent and really put truth and reason before anything. Im black and I do the same for white friends in regards to race. the ones that are willing to read and be honest and talk and question, always change their mind about it. the ones who are afraid to feel bad or learn and who don't like to read etc, never do.
I have a great #10... Stop using the word "atheist"
In just the same way that we don't use the word aleprechaunist to describe the people who do not believe in Leprechauns, we should not need the word atheist. We should be able to say, "I am a normal person" and be done with it.
The problem is that, in America today, if you say, "I am a normal person," what everyone assumes is that you mean, "I am a Christian." Currently we are a minority, and as long as we are a minority we need a name.
It is time to choose a new name for those of us who know that all human gods are imaginary. There are two good reasons for picking a new name. First, the word atheist is overloaded with extraneous meaning right now, most of it negative. Second, there is no reason to define ourselves as the opposite of theists because theists are delusional. The word "atheist" gives theists way too much credit. The new name that I would like to propose is Rational Person.
You're not rational because you think my God does not exist. No, I can't prove to you that He exists but you can't prove to me that He doesn't. Also, atheism is not a minority. Its a helluva lot bigger than Christianity, but don't think that automatically means its right.
Dalton DuVall Spaghetti Monster!
Not Rational Person, but minimum rational person, you only need minimum reason to fuck religion
wow, that is not at all condescending to any religion or whatsoever(speaking in sarcastic tone)
Ioncehad60000views It is time for Americans, both religious and non, to openly discuss the evidence showing that God is imaginary. Let's stop hiding the discussion, or attacking it. Let's talk openly. Let's have an honest, open, rational, civil conversation about all of the evidence we have seen. If we have that debate in an open forum, the majority of us will reach agreement that God is imaginary.
The best quote ever: "The less you give a fuck, the happier you are". (by Jack Nicholson)
i feel we are becoming a little to nice to the people who want us to burn and suffer for all eternity.....don't get me wrong don't be an ass but heck..
IDK
I shoved my "faith" out an airlock. It was fun.
So say we all.
You still have faith... that God doesn't exist.
Until an atheist can prove that ALL of life can arise mindlessly and purposelessly from non-living matter, you will continue to depend on your faith, that God doesn't exist.
I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.
Who gave a flying sh1t about faith? Why are you even replying to my comment?
Darwins Myth *siiiiiiigh* you assume I really give a damn whether or not god, or "gods" for that matter, exist. I don't. atheism is simply a disbelief in any and all deities. the reasons for this may vary widely. So believe it or not it is possible, and in fact likely, to be an atheist for logical reasons, zero faith required.
We cannot know everything, nor do we need to, I for one disbelieve in god because he is simply the least logical possibility that I have been presented with by far. If evidence for his/her/it's existence were to be presented then I would step back and reassess the situation. I have never had to, nor do I ever expect to have to, as religious groups have been nothing if not consistent in their failure to present evidence. good day.
Wow....with the worship video and this one, I'm not feeling Hemant right now.
Christian rules to athiests
(I’ve had it with disrespectful Christians, they make us look like rlly bad people)
1. Don’t treat athiests wrong.
2. Don’t force religion into others.
3. Don’t hurt athiests.
4. Don’t be mean to athiests.
5. Respect atheists.
6. Don’t think you are better than them just because of your religion.
7. That’s basically it.
And for athiests, pls listen. I’ve had a bad taste in my mouth with CERTAIN athiests, (not all) and it’s ruining your reputation.. I really don’t want athiests to be perceived as mean people who hate cristians, so please, Atleast, try to AVOID THESE THINGS!
Avoid:
1. Disproving ones belief
2. Being rude to one another for one’s belief
3. Hating someone for believing something
4. Saying things like “Well why doesn’t God help the sick children?” That really hurts us. We would provide an Atleast acceptable answer, but most of the time you don’t respond. We rather avoid the whole question entirely...
That’s it! Thank you athiests for being so kind and reading this!