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Also, i gotta say, its awesome that you read AND give feedback on everyone’s comments. Even after being busy all day. Honored to be let into your shop, via video. Thanks for taking the time, for real.
Hello JB, I am so glad that you noticed! I have another video with well over 2000 comments, and I answered every one of them. You are right about me being a very busy person! Thanks for watching!
Most people don't know about these old school ways because in a throw away society it's all about move the new version of product in the most wasteful way so more can be sold. I've known that there were better adhesives for some time but didn't know where to get them or what they were, so thank you for the information.
Hello M, You are so welcome! You are so right! Experience is learned over time. Fourty years ago, if there were four different products on a shelf for something, now there are 25. Thanks for watching!
I've also been doing upholstery for over 40 years, we found out a LONG time ago not to use spray can adhesive for headliners. Weldwood is good stuff, there used to be a green colored contact cement that was even better but they changed the formulation and it was no good, don't think that company is around anymore. And I have also used cheap quart spray guns, and you never really have to clean them out UNLESS you leave the glue in and the weather is hot and it dries out inside the gun.
Excellent tutorial. To the point, brief and concise, on target. He presents the stuff clearly, in order and addresses normal unavoidable questions that will come up to any normal person trying to use the product. Great instructor, definitely thumbs up and subscribe.
Awesome video, great info. I had my car vandalized with spray paint and paint from a can. I used mineral spirits and removed 99% of it. I was shocked at how good it worked with ZERO damage to my car. Even the rubber trim that was sun beaten and faded…took nearly all of that off. That was the only place with a hint of the vandals work. I imagine the vandals were shocked because by the time the sun came up, my car was sparkly clean. Not only did i remove all the vandal’s work, but I cleaned and washed/waxed the vehicle right after. Mineral Spirits are no joke, saved me for sure.
Hello Todd, Thank you so much! Wow! That is good news! I am so glad you had the wonderful experience of how well mineral spirits works! Please keep watching!
Thank you for your professional expertise on what works and what doesnt. I imagine if someone doesnt like it and uses a spray can adhesive we can just wish them the best. 🤷♂️
You got it. The 3m spray works if you can keep things cool. Heat makes it wimp out, like the heat found in cars. I use to use it when I recovered my pool tables, and it would stay hard and strong over years and then have to rip the old felt off the slate. In a vehicle it was crap and with heat it would turn loose. Barge is another excellent contact adhesive, and I used it to glue new rubber pool bumpers to the wood that mounted the bumpers to the sides of the table after reclothing them as well.
I started with the 3 and it just makes a gum-pucky mess of everything! I have however been affraid of spray guns getting clogged etc. I feel much better now about giving it a go, I am doing a 56 Chev Bel Air seat in Suede right now and I knew 3 would be a failure but wasnt sure which direction to go, thank you for sharing your years of experience :D I appreciate you for doing this video!
This is One of the times i am sooo glad i procrastinated putting my new headliner in the truck!! I already have the 3m 77 and was going to use it, but really felt it wasn't going to hold for years to come. Woodweld looks like the best product to use.....thank you!!
Hello Lynch, Oh, I love hearing good news like this! I'm glad you saw this video. Did you dee this headliner video? ruclips.net/video/dXpF0Op_xRU/видео.html Please keep liking and watching!
If you're using "three mules" 77 that's not the right stuff anyways. I think the number is 8088 or something like that. It works but the Weldwood is superior. Problem is, here in the land of the Green Nazis California no can gets. So you have to go to Arizona to buy it and mule it back just so you can do your goddam job. As for myself I won't be changing adhesive but I am changing states.
Well you answered what I had been wondering which is do you have to clean your gun after every use or every day. That weld wood contact adhesive aint no joke. I think thats what they put the space shuttle together with! Good video as always, keep them coming please.
If it's not broken don't fix it!! That is all I ever used when I had my upholstery shop for 18 years. From the smallest to the biggest jobs. I agree with you 100%.
I'm about to replace the headliner of my 2003 Corvette which is a simple job because can remove the top, turn it upside down on my table (on top of towels for padding so the paint won't get scratched), and go to work. I've never done this before but it seems easy because there is not much headliner there. Amazingly I was just about to order Super 77 but then this excellent video just appeared in the nick of time! Thank you! Looking online, I see that DAP WeldWood comes in not only 1 and 5 gallon cans but I only need several ounces to coat both sides. Luckily there is a new option: "DAP Weldwood Landau Top & Trim HHR Solvent Type Spray Contact Adhesive" in a light blue and black 14 ounce spray can. The can has the same colors we see on your 5 gallon drum containing this same product. One product reviewer wrote that the spray comes out lumpy and that can be felt through the headliner. Another product reviewer described how he sprays the product into a small container then paints it onto his project using a brush. Care to comment? I live in Florida where the heat in unbearable half the year. So thank you again for explaining the benefit of this superior product.
Hello Just, I have never used the spray can version. Usually, if someone asks, and they do not have a spray gun, I will tell them that they can always use a brush. Really, I only use contact adhesive for everything I do. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you for sharing this. As an automotive hobbyist,finding a decent adhesive hasn’t been easy and I’ve never like any of the ones I’ve used. Trying to get free information from local upholstery shops has gone nowhere. So again, thank you. Ps-great sense of humor no pants 😆
Yep! I did auto upholstery installs only(no sewing, someone else made the seat cover kits)for about 4-5 years for a company that replaced the cheap interiors in mini trucks like Datsun, Dodge d50's and some Toyota's back in the late '70's. Never used a rattle can of adhesive, and the back area of a Datsun King Cab had to be carpeted up to the door panel line that was to be glued in, oh yeah the door panels. I think they hired me because all I did was vinyl tops back then. A place in Portland OR called Perfect-Fit McDonald Co. sold 5 gallons of glue for about 45 bucks. Different brands came and went, I recall green and even a red color glue but mostly a beige color glue. I used a Graco 2.5 gallon pressure pot and never cleaned anything but the Binks gun nozzle. Later when I opened a auto body and paint shop I had a headliner in a '82 Zed 28 Camaro to replace and used a 3M rattle can but it all came loose and I had to buy a cheap gun and a qt can of general purpose contact cement to fix the headliner.
I started using Formica adhesive. It was 25.00 for 5 gallons. That was in the 70’s. The supply houses wanted 40.00 for 5gallons. I installed a vinyl top in the winter with the big door open. After sticking it it was permanent. The only difference was it was red. The spray glue has a use for tacking . I agree with you it’s basically garbage for any thing permanent.
Hello 13th, Yep, I remember red contact adhesive. I am always telling commenters to try the contact adhesive used by countertop top installers. Please keep liking and watching!
I do agree with you as I have had problems with the spray can adhesive. You mentioned that it does not hold good. That is a fact even the hot sun will loosen it.. I,m not a trimmer but I enjoy your videos
I'm 100% in agreement! I've tried many different brands of can spray adhesive and they all eventually fail. My last and final project I tried with 3M spray was on speaker cabinets veneered with Mahogany. within a day the veneer started lifting, it was a total disaster, and I wasted expensive veneer. Weldwood contact is the best, period. Once bonded, it strays stuck forever.
Im glad you made this video. after watching your seat repair video i was trying to think what it was you had in the gun. i kinda thought contact adheasive, but i was also thinking it would clog up like crazy. but thanks for showing me the way.
Hello, I Repair, I am so happy to hear the good news that now you have a better understanding! Yes, this is all true, (About the glue) Thanks for watching!
Hello Nec, That is how we learn not to do it again. We have to make the mistakes first or just to take the advise of unexperienced experts! Please keep liking and watching!
I used the the spray can from 3M for my convertible top and it held pretty good. It was recommended to me by a professional installer who was nice enough to give me a few tips and encouraged me to do the job myself which I did.This was before You Tube
I have to thank you! I wasn’t looking for that information but now I know why gluing a failing headliner was never a permanent repair. I thought it might be the foam on the back of the fabric that was deteriorating. Now I know! Thanks!
It IS the foam backing that deteriorates. The glue is nearly always still on the headliner panel, that the material is glued onto. It's important to prep the surface and use adequate amount of glue to make a positive bond. Use too little and the foambacked fabric will be reaching down and letting you know, if you didn't do it right.😁☕
@@invisibilianone6288 Hello Invisi, Oh, yea. I have done many of those over the decades. You can see more on my website under truck seats. Rudolphsupholstery.com Please keep liking and watching!
Wow, those 5 gallon cans are expensive. But, I can see that it is much cheaper than buying it by the gallon. And it is better to use the best product the first time. I have never done upholstery work, but it sure is enjoyable watching you make everything look like new again. Thanks !
Hello Ron, You are right about the high cost. I remember many years ago paying $40 now it's $120. Thank you so much for your kind words! Please keep watching!
Super good information, I haven't been impressed with super 77 but I use contact adhesive in leatherworking all the time and I feel very confident in it
Thanks for the suggestion! I've been using the stuff in the spray can, but I only use it for hobby level projects. Thankfully I've never had a problem with it failing. But it's expensive in spray cans, and I'm happy to learn that its cheaper and just as easy to use from bulk containers. I'll dedicate an old spray gun and give it a try!
100% Agreement from me!! I have used that CRAP on headliners, per the exact instructions on the can, I was fine with it for about week, then the returns started. Stopped immediately Even stopped doing the headliner repair, USED to be part of my detail offerings, which now I Do not even detail anymore since I had my fight with cancer a few years ago. (It was in my hip so I could not really move around so good)
Hello Steven, Oh, I know right? I have paying customers so I only use the contact adhesive. I never had a comeback. I am so glad to hear that you are getting along ok. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you so much for sharing your vast years of experience and know how with us. I'm taking you advice way over some wannabe with 2 months experience! LOL!
Hello 7044, You are so welcome! I know huh? In the age of RUclips, everyone is an expert, just repeating what they heard in another video. Thank you so much! Please keep watching!
I made a console for my 64 Galaxie and used the 3 men spray and the vinyl fell off in about 3 months. I own Crystal Bear Leather works and use wood weld on leather its always done a great job for me
Your video is much appreciated. I am in the process of building a urethane foam body for a 3-wheel car and need to consider edge bonding the panels together before glassing. Incidentally, I have used 3-M adhesive to replace a 15 year old cloth headliner in one of my vehicles. 12 years later it was still firmly in place. I thank you for your advice.
Hello Robert, You are so welcome. I tried gluing the urethane panels together for a fiberglass plug with the 3 men. But it fell apart. I ended up using a good wood glue. Just sayin'. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank You! Glad I found this. I used the 'can' to try to do a quick repair on my Very old BMW Headliner. It failed in no time. Super bummed as the job required some disassembly and I worked really hard.
OSAUT, I think you'll agree, there is no universal adhesive, the application determines what adhesive to use, some adhesives may have several applications. There is ALWAYS a cost to convenience.
Hello John, That may be the case for some people. I however, only use contact adhesive for my upholstery. I never have any "Come Backs" Thanks for watching!
Hello Jay, if your just doing a repair, use a brush as air pressure will pull the rest of your headliner down. By all means, use the spray gun if your replacing all the material on your headliner. Thanks for watching!
You are absolutely right. The 3M adhesive is for paper; however, the Gorilla works way better. Unfortunately you can't get the good stuff in CA any more.
Rudolph, very interesting and informative, I'm not in the business nor need to fix a seat, but I thought the subject matter seemed very interesting, and it was. Thanks for taking the time to put this video together. It I need any ideas I now know where to go! I did watch your video on Glue and I also found that informative as well, thanks again.
You didn’t mention how expensive it is in a spray can. It doesn’t go far. and falls off. Highly recommended by all the experts. I learned the hard way.
Hello J, Sorry to say that I do not know how much the 3 men spray can costs as I never buy it. Remember, learning is doing! Please keep liking and watching!
Thanks for your tips and tricks. I have an MGB to restore and I will use one of those kits. My chances of a nice looking job are increasing with your advice!
Thanks. Until now 3-M brand adhesive spray has the best comparison tests. I have a headliner that is beginning to detach at the windshield. Weldwood Landou may be more reliable but I don’t need a 5gl drum of solvent nor do I have a spray gun😅. I do see that Amazon carries a 14oz spray can of the stuff so I will be giving this a try after all. Thanks for posting the video. 👍
Hello Warbak, I am so happy that you got to see this video. I think you will do just fine with your Mustang door. Just be sure to clean the old adhesive off as much as you can with mineral spirits before you use the new contact adhesive. Please keep liking and watching!
Thanks for the information. Good stuff, unfortunately for a small diy where it may be a small door panel or piece of carpet ungluing the spray can worked fine. I don't have a lot of space or ancompressor as I'm sure many dont so the can is probably what you have access to. I used both the orange can and the 3m, I found the spray pattern was better on the 3m. It also felt a bit better than the orange can, just a tiny bit though. Both seem to work for small parts where I used them.
Hello My, You are welcome. Being that I have paying customers and a really good reputation, I would never use any glue from a spray can. The least a person can do is buy a quart of contact adhesive and apply with a brush. The spray can stuff will fail over time where the contact adhesive will not. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you for your knowledgable input. I've always trusted the contact adhesive too but was afraid to spray it. After watching this video I think I'll give spraying a try. What size tip do you recommend ? Do you use an HVLP style or Old School gun? What pressure do you recommend at the gun? Thx in advance, KW.
Hello Gonk, You are so welcome! I just use a standard Harbor Freight $27 spray gun. Usually sprays anywhere from 25-75 psi. Please keep liking and watching!
I'm learning from my mistakes and used spray glue once at my c10 pickup headliner I put vinyl fabric and after three months started peeling I was very frustrated because I worked all day to do that and re do it again but I used contact glue this time and very different. Spray glue sucks 😆😆
Great video, I'm changing a 2011 Ford police interceptor headliner , and just some of the edges are coming out from the new one. I don't have spraygun. Can this be applied with a brush. Thanks
Hello Brett, Good luck with that one. I never saw a difference between the two. I stopped using the 3 men decades ago. I have paying customers that I cannot take the chance. Contact adhesive is a sure thing I can always count on. Please keep liking and watching!
I have been disappointed nearly anytime I use 77 unless it is a room temperature application. It is touted to work with trim pieces and that is where I find it to be very worthless and they always start peeling no matter the prep! I've used contact-adhesive out of the can and it is terrific in most all applications... Thanks for pointing this out to new-players!
Very interesting video, thank you. I might have missed something somewhere but what size spraygun cap/needle do you use, !.3, 1.4, 1.8 or maybe a 2.2? Thank you again for the video.
Hello Andy, You are so welcome! Thank you so much for saying so. I just use a cheapo Harbor Freight spray gun with the stock tip that it comes with. not rocket science, Hehe. Please keep liking and watching!
Hello Glassman, The 70's and 80's were the golden age of vinyl tops! French tuck rear windows, 1/4 top, 1/2 top, French seams, 40" deck double seam or single seam tops right? Thanks for watching!
Another observation about 3 emm.. Recently they reduced the size of the can from 16 ounces to 13.6 (maybe .7) oz and increased the price at the same time. I use it for making stencils.. and true, it eventually peels.
I know Super 77 is not good for that application by reading the spec sheet. Figured that out years ago. It's a good product when used for the correct application but I don't use it for automotive projects, especially upholstery and headliners.
Hello Ps, You are so welcome! Not you, it's the glue... 3 Men has been getting rich from an inferior product for a very, very long time. Please keep liking and watching!
Years ago my daughter and her girlfriend were driving around in this VW bug with the headliner on their heads!! So I pulled one side open to get my arm in there, sprayed it with some spray contact cement wasn’t three m. Worked still to this day three years!! Maybe a fluk ?
I use that stuff to make cosplay helmets and costumes gluing foam fabric etc, I have stuff I made years ago that still holding together stuff is great.
Thank you for the awesome video, and saving me from buying the dreaded can of 90. Can you please tell me what brand of gun(s) I should be looking at, for a home diyer? Tyvm
The driver's side foam has collapsed in my '88 Chevy pickup (bench seat). The cloth upholstery and passenger side foam are perfect. Would you do an episode on how to repair collapsed foam? Thanks.
@@maxironpaw Hello Max, the process is all the same, take out what's bad and replace it with new foam, or supplement the foam you have now. Thanks for watching!
Hello Wilson, A syphon spray gun is what's worked for me for 43 years. Easy to set on top of a table while working and not top heavy like a gravity fed gun. Easier on the wrist. I never worried about tip size. Remember it's not rocket science. Please keep liking and watching!
Just some FYI reference the "spray-gun" shown in this video, i.e., a Chinesium: low grade, cheap spray gun. Is a nock-off of the Bink's model "7," syphon spray gun. Another spray-gun used in the Autobody trade was a "DeVilbiss" spray-gun. Who's design was used for any year's in the Autobody world for many year's before the Japanese spray guns (Sharpe's) started to enter the market approx. early 1980's, if I'm not mistaken. If I'm wrong, oh well I might be a little off on the date. As a old and retired Autobody guy, that's all I ever seen in upholstery shop's, were spray gun setup's. Some of the shops used two quarts spray-pot's or even three gallon spray-pot's. (you get to where your putting on two or three vinyl tops a week, this is what your gonna need.) But never as we called them "Spray-Bomb's," i.e., spray-cans from some bull-shite company that sounds like 3-men. As someone who has personally removed a lot of automotive vinyl tops, to save some money so the upholstery shop didn't have to, the one thing I always notice about factory vinyl tops, was the uniform coverage, and appearance of the glue, i.e. it was always sprayed on via a spray-gun.
Hello Stanwood, You are 100% correct in your recollections! I used them all through the years. Glue pots, then DeVelbiss, then Sharpes. Then I discovered the Harbor Freight. Now I buy a $27 HF spray gun every two or so years. Hard to argue that one.... I have done hundreds of vinyl tops, mostly in the 70's, 80's and 90's. Thanks for bringing back some memories! Please keep watching!
Thanks for the video! Weldwood has a spray aerosol can as well, have you tried this? Might be the answer for people who have small projects. Another question, when using mineral spirits to remove old adhesive, will remaining mineral spirits film cause adhesian issues? What can be used to remove any remaining film? Also, this stuff has a VERY STRONG ODOR, use in a very well ventilated area. I bought a very small can at home big box store. I found that it's pretty potent and will destroy cheap (practice) vinyl. Thanks again for the video!
HELLO 134ziNG4, You are so welcome! I didn't know about the aerosol can. After the mineral spirits have dried, I never think about any film. You can apply it over dried mineral spirits, but I would not re-apply it over wet mineral spirits. I have never had any problem doing it this way. Thanks for the awesome comment! Please keep watching!
The ONLY reason why the 'children' recommend the 3M Super 77 is because it's as close to instant gratification as they can get. Doing it right the first time is not the point. Doing it as fast and easy as possible is all that matters to 'them'. The real purpose of the 3M Super 77 is as you mentioned, NOT EVER DRYING or really being permanent. It's great for the vapour barrier film one attaches to the door metal between the door and the door card to keep the water coming down from the window off the door card.
My big problem isn't the adhesive, but the laminated foam/cloth of head liners etc. The part that I or the factory glues on stays, but the laminate or what ever you want to call it splits in the middle. Doesn't matter how well glued it is!!
I tried this on a GM headliner years ago. HUGE FAIL !!!!!!. I thought it was just me not knowing what i was doing. Had a headache the first few weeks after riding in that car. Glad years later to see it was the product.
Hello Volkswagon, It was not you, it was the huge corporation that sounds like "3Men". Warn everyone you know to stay away from the spray glues! Thanks for watching!
Its simple. Its what goes in the can for preasure and to atomize content thin. Chemical make up / reactions. Where in the sprayer its done by ventury. But its understanding. Prep. Usage. Per an application (what your doing it for. Both)
Hello Frank, More importantly, I think it is the glue being applied. Gooey sticky stuff that never cures or contact adhesive. Not rocket science. Please keep liking and watching!
Thanks for the informative video, much appreciated. I’m about to attach fabric backed foam to fiberglass headliner (fabric facing fiberglass) and then attaching vinyl to the foam on a ‘66 Thunderbird Landau. I’ve had awful luck with 3 mmmmm 🤔. How does this product hold up to heat? Oh…and what’s the cure time. I’ll leave the headliner off the car for a year. If I have to. I don’t wanna have to do this a fourth time. 😂
Hello Scott, I had a 66 T-bird 428 Town Landau many years ago. Seen here: www.rudolphsupholstery.com/rudolphs-3 Contact adhesive is all I use on everything. I give my cure 24 hours. Vinyl is tricky in the curves. I'm sure you will do just fine. Please keep liking and watching!
I've been doing some research to replace my headliner and I can remember this being used in my dad's shop back in the day restoring cars. I'm sure it hasn't changed much because it still looks pretty toxic. Is there a product that will work for daily driver that is fairly safe that you know of? Even if it only lasts 5 years I don't care, have to compromise. I am out in Colorado and Utah so it gets scorching hot. I'm also going to put some Kilmat on the roof to keep the heat and noise out while I'm replacing the headliner.
Hello Detroit, I have to say that I can ONLY recommend contact adhesive by spray gun or even by brush. But I think by brush will be more difficult. Please keep liking and watching!
3M in the black and Green can which you cant buy in stores works, but any of the 3M you can buy in stores is junk. 3M 90 and 94 it's double the price for a reason. But yeah I use Dap from the can and use spray gun they also now sell it in the spray can which I use for small quick jobs.
Hello Toffee, I am stubborn Old School I guess. I find no reason at all to use more than the only one Contact adhesive that I have been using for 43 years for everything. I was using this before there was such a thing as 3M spray adhesive. No need to spend money on anything else. But that's just me. Please keep liking and watching!
No I'm not telling you to use it but the stuff most people buy is for arts and crafts in the red and black bottle. I got the black and green stuff through some guys at work for small jobs, 4 5 years later still strong. I use dap when I'm doing a big job, it's far to expensive to use anyways spay can cost as much as gallon of dap.
Yeah, still haven't told you to use it not sure why you think I'm telling you to. I'm jusy saying they have different grades, and that why thier strong stuff isn't sold in stores just as dap is also not sold in stores and illegal in 7 states I think.
@@toffeerado Hello Toffe, I got ya. You're not telling me to use it. My answer was for anyone reading my comment, Why I prefer contact adhesive. I love you my brother and appreciate your comments. Please keep liking and watching!
Yes and no. Weld wood is great for professionals, and very serious hobbyists. That said, many DIY people searching on YT for advice lack a compressor, they don’t have in-line air filtration, regulators, hoses, and spray guns. So? For those folks, there IS one 3M spray product that WILL work for attaching a NEW headliner to a CLEAN headboard card! Yes, it will last, even in hot humid Florida… I know, because I have done it, and my 2006 Porsche Alcantara headliner is holding firm at 4+ years so far. No issues. Caveat: You must choose the CORRECT type of 3M product. Only use 3M SKU# 38808, labeled as 3M Headliner Adhesive. While there are several types of 3M spray adhesives sold, THE ONLY 3M aerosol to use for automobile headliners is the 3M product which is labeled as “3M #38808 Headliner Adhesive”. Never use Type 77. Ever. The Type 77 product is not intended for automobiles. It will fail. Stop. Put it down. One more time, NEVER, EVER use 3M “Super 77 Multipurpose Adhesive”. Only use 38808. The 3M #38808 Headliner Adhesive is intended specifically for automobile headliners, and is NOT the same chemistry as Type 77. Notice that our professional video host here is showing “3M Type 77” as an example of what won’t work for headliners, and in that respect he is speaking fact. But I found this video somewhat misleading, because I myself have used 3M #38808 from an aerosol can successfully in harsh, hot, humid conditions and with great success. The benefit of using (the correct type of) aerosol spray, is convenience obviously, and the lack of any investment in spray equipment. If you don’t own a 9.5+CFM compressor and the required AIR/OIL filtration, air hose set-up and suitable spray gun, and you don’t plan on repairing more than one headliner, you absolutely can still do an excellent headliner repair using two or three cans ($20 each) of the 3M #38808 Headliner Adhesive spray. On the other hand, IF you already own a 9.5+ CFM compressor, and a good spray set-up, It IS more cost-effective to just buy a quart of the Weldwood Landau glue product and go that route… and no, I do not work for 3M. 👍🏼
Hello Uncle, Thank you for your contribution. I just have to say something about you saying I am misleading people. I was basically talking about the most common "77" spray products. The quality is no secret. For 43 years as an upholstery shop, I have only used what I know. Contact adhesive by spray gun or if by brush if need be. I have never had to use 38808, so I have no experience with it. That's why I'm Old School. I only use what I can guarantee myself, happy customers. Like I always say, there is always more than one way of getting things done. Love you brother. Please keep liking and watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery hello! I didn’t mean to discredit you! What I meant was, that new DIY people might think that there is no way they can do this without a compressed air set-up and the DAP product. We all know that biggest issue is to prepare both of the surfaces correctly!👍🏼
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@@b.powell3480 Have you tried Amazon? Thanks for watching!
Thanks, I'll check Amazon out, however, I don't use a lot, only small to medium sized projects
Also, i gotta say, its awesome that you read AND give feedback on everyone’s comments. Even after being busy all day. Honored to be let into your shop, via video. Thanks for taking the time, for real.
Hello JB, I am so glad that you noticed! I have another video with well over 2000 comments, and I answered every one of them. You are right about me being a very busy person! Thanks for watching!
Yep, OSAU is a solid dude.
These 5 minutes were more instructive and useful than hours and hours of the hey-look-at-me bois. Thanks!
Hello Max, Thank you so much for saying so! I really appreciate it! Please keep watching!
Most people don't know about these old school ways because in a throw away society it's all about move the new version of product in the most wasteful way so more can be sold.
I've known that there were better adhesives for some time but didn't know where to get them or what they were, so thank you for the information.
Hello M, You are so welcome! You are so right! Experience is learned over time. Fourty years ago, if there were four different products on a shelf for something, now there are 25. Thanks for watching!
I've also been doing upholstery for over 40 years, we found out a LONG time ago not to use spray can adhesive for headliners. Weldwood is good stuff, there used to be a green colored contact cement that was even better but they changed the formulation and it was no good, don't think that company is around anymore. And I have also used cheap quart spray guns, and you never really have to clean them out UNLESS you leave the glue in and the weather is hot and it dries out inside the gun.
Hello Mttmg, I remember the green glue! Yep, good 'Ol Harbor Freight spray guns. Thanks for watching!
Excellent tutorial. To the point, brief and concise, on target. He presents the stuff clearly, in order and addresses normal unavoidable questions that will come up to any normal person trying to use the product. Great instructor, definitely thumbs up and subscribe.
Kind of funny as he said scrim I thought what's that then he said If you don't know...
Hello Kevin, Yep, good 'Ol scrim as it is known in the business. Please keep watching!
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Awesome video, great info.
I had my car vandalized with spray paint and paint from a can. I used mineral spirits and removed 99% of it. I was shocked at how good it worked with ZERO damage to my car. Even the rubber trim that was sun beaten and faded…took nearly all of that off. That was the only place with a hint of the vandals work. I imagine the vandals were shocked because by the time the sun came up, my car was sparkly clean. Not only did i remove all the vandal’s work, but I cleaned and washed/waxed the vehicle right after. Mineral Spirits are no joke, saved me for sure.
Hello Todd, Thank you so much! Wow! That is good news! I am so glad you had the wonderful experience of how well mineral spirits works! Please keep watching!
Thank you for your professional expertise on what works and what doesnt. I imagine if someone doesnt like it and uses a spray can adhesive we can just wish them the best. 🤷♂️
Hello Norm, Yep, send them away with "Good luck on that one". Hehe Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you Rudolph. I was wondering about the spray gun clean up. Now I know.
Hello SteveO, You are so welcome! I am so glad you have a better understanding about this. Please keep watching!
You are 100% right. I used the 3m spray adhesive years ago, and when it got hot in summer, the material would fall off. It is crap.
Hello Timothy, I see you are a person with experience. Those of us that know, really know right? Please keep liking and watching!
The opening humor had me literally laughing out loud!
Hello Foes, Thank you so much! I really appreciate it. Please keep liking and watching!
You got it. The 3m spray works if you can keep things cool. Heat makes it wimp out, like the heat found in cars. I use to use it when I recovered my pool tables, and it would stay hard and strong over years and then have to rip the old felt off the slate. In a vehicle it was crap and with heat it would turn loose. Barge is another excellent contact adhesive, and I used it to glue new rubber pool bumpers to the wood that mounted the bumpers to the sides of the table after reclothing them as well.
Hello Free, Thank you so much for the contribution! Thanks for watching!
I started with the 3 and it just makes a gum-pucky mess of everything! I have however been affraid of spray guns getting clogged etc. I feel much better now about giving it a go, I am doing a 56 Chev Bel Air seat in Suede right now and I knew 3 would be a failure but wasnt sure which direction to go, thank you for sharing your years of experience :D I appreciate you for doing this video!
Hello Lori, Go boldly now with confidence! Cool '56 Chevy! Please keep watching!
This is One of the times i am sooo glad i procrastinated putting my new headliner in the truck!! I already have the 3m 77 and was going to use it, but really felt it wasn't going to hold for years to come. Woodweld looks like the best product to use.....thank you!!
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If you're using "three mules" 77 that's not the right stuff anyways. I think the number is 8088 or something like that. It works but the Weldwood is superior. Problem is, here in the land of the Green Nazis California no can gets. So you have to go to Arizona to buy it and mule it back just so you can do your goddam job. As for myself I won't be changing adhesive but I am changing states.
@@uncleronny6748 get outta there! 😎 I am with ya...I am in PNW L wacko world. Will be back down south at some point.
Well you answered what I had been wondering which is do you have to clean your gun after every use or every day. That weld wood contact adhesive aint no joke. I think thats what they put the space shuttle together with! Good video as always, keep them coming please.
Hello Michael, I really like hearing about good news like that. I am glad you have a better understanding. Thank you so much and please keep watching!
If it's not broken don't fix it!! That is all I ever used when I had my upholstery shop for 18 years. From the smallest to the biggest jobs. I agree with you 100%.
Hello Jack, Yep, we learn from our mistakes. We use what works. Thanks for watching!
I'm about to replace the headliner of my 2003 Corvette which is a simple job because can remove the top, turn it upside down on my table (on top of towels for padding so the paint won't get scratched), and go to work. I've never done this before but it seems easy because there is not much headliner there. Amazingly I was just about to order Super 77 but then this excellent video just appeared in the nick of time! Thank you!
Looking online, I see that DAP WeldWood comes in not only 1 and 5 gallon cans but I only need several ounces to coat both sides. Luckily there is a new option: "DAP Weldwood Landau Top & Trim HHR Solvent Type Spray Contact Adhesive" in a light blue and black 14 ounce spray can. The can has the same colors we see on your 5 gallon drum containing this same product.
One product reviewer wrote that the spray comes out lumpy and that can be felt through the headliner. Another product reviewer described how he sprays the product into a small container then paints it onto his project using a brush. Care to comment?
I live in Florida where the heat in unbearable half the year. So thank you again for explaining the benefit of this superior product.
Hello Just, I have never used the spray can version. Usually, if someone asks, and they do not have a spray gun, I will tell them that they can always use a brush. Really, I only use contact adhesive for everything I do. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you for sharing this. As an automotive hobbyist,finding a decent adhesive hasn’t been easy and I’ve never like any of the ones I’ve used. Trying to get free information from local upholstery shops has gone nowhere. So again, thank you.
Ps-great sense of humor no pants 😆
Hello Orange, You are so welcome! I really appreciate ya! Thanks for watching!
Yep! I did auto upholstery installs only(no sewing, someone else made the seat cover kits)for about 4-5 years for a company that replaced the cheap interiors in mini trucks like Datsun, Dodge d50's and some Toyota's back in the late '70's. Never used a rattle can of adhesive, and the back area of a Datsun King Cab had to be carpeted up to the door panel line that was to be glued in, oh yeah the door panels. I think they hired me because all I did was vinyl tops back then. A place in Portland OR called Perfect-Fit McDonald Co. sold 5 gallons of glue for about 45 bucks. Different brands came and went, I recall green and even a red color glue but mostly a beige color glue. I used a Graco 2.5 gallon pressure pot and never cleaned anything but the Binks gun nozzle. Later when I opened a auto body and paint shop I had a headliner in a '82 Zed 28 Camaro to replace and used a 3M rattle can but it all came loose and I had to buy a cheap gun and a qt can of general purpose contact cement to fix the headliner.
Hello Cliff, it sounds like you lived my life back in the 70's and 80's! I had many of the same experiences! Thanks for watching!
I started using Formica adhesive. It was 25.00 for 5 gallons. That was in the 70’s. The supply houses wanted 40.00 for 5gallons. I installed a vinyl top in the winter with the big door open. After sticking it it was permanent. The only difference was it was red. The spray glue has a use for tacking . I agree with you it’s basically garbage for any thing permanent.
Hello 13th, Yep, I remember red contact adhesive. I am always telling commenters to try the contact adhesive used by countertop top installers. Please keep liking and watching!
I do agree with you as I have had problems with the spray can adhesive. You mentioned that it does not hold good. That is a fact even the hot sun will loosen it.. I,m not a trimmer but I enjoy your videos
Hello Neil, I totally agree with you, Hot sun in the summertime just kills the spray can glue. Thank you so much for watching!
I'm 100% in agreement! I've tried many different brands of can spray adhesive and they all eventually fail. My last and final project I tried with 3M spray was on speaker cabinets veneered with Mahogany. within a day the veneer started lifting, it was a total disaster, and I wasted expensive veneer. Weldwood contact is the best, period. Once bonded, it strays stuck forever.
Hello John, Sometimes we need to learn the hard way, I know I did. By the way, I totally agree with you! Please keep watching!
Im glad you made this video. after watching your seat repair video i was trying to think what it was you had in the gun. i kinda thought contact adheasive, but i was also thinking it would clog up like crazy. but thanks for showing me the way.
Hello, I Repair, I am so happy to hear the good news that now you have a better understanding! Yes, this is all true, (About the glue) Thanks for watching!
Ty I'll try Weldwood. I used the 77 things do come apart.
Hello Nec, That is how we learn not to do it again. We have to make the mistakes first or just to take the advise of unexperienced experts! Please keep liking and watching!
Perfect for welding plastic bags or tarps or dropsheets or foam sheets to lasting results.
3M is the savage beast!
Hello True, I am glad to hear that your experiences are positive. Not my experience. Super 77 melts Styrofoam sheets. Please keep liking and watching!
I used the the spray can from 3M for my convertible top and it held pretty good. It was recommended to me by a professional installer who was nice enough to give me a few tips and encouraged me to do the job myself which I did.This was before You Tube
Hello Alonzo, It sounds like you recommend the spray can adhesive? I can see that you like it. Please keep watching!
I agree. i learned the hard way. I used 3M adhesive on a headliner once and it failed. Thanks for posting!
Hello G, You are so welcome! Yep, that's what happenes... Please keep watching!
I have to thank you! I wasn’t looking for that information but now I know why gluing a failing headliner was never a permanent repair. I thought it might be the foam on the back of the fabric that was deteriorating. Now I know! Thanks!
Hello Dean, you are so welcome! Yes, it's the foam, the foam... Hehe Please keep liking and watching!
It IS the foam backing that deteriorates. The glue is nearly always still on the headliner panel, that the material is glued onto.
It's important to prep the surface and use adequate amount of glue to make a positive bond.
Use too little and the foambacked fabric will be reaching down and letting you know, if you didn't do it right.😁☕
@@invisibilianone6288 Hello Invisi, Yep, you got that right! Please keep liking and watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery I like all the 67 to 72 GMC & Chevy trucks, in the background,
on this video😎☕
@@invisibilianone6288 Hello Invisi, Oh, yea. I have done many of those over the decades. You can see more on my website under truck seats. Rudolphsupholstery.com Please keep liking and watching!
Wow, those 5 gallon cans are expensive. But, I can see that it is much cheaper than buying it by the gallon.
And it is better to use the best product the first time.
I have never done upholstery work, but it sure is enjoyable watching you make everything look like new again.
Thanks !
Hello Ron, You are right about the high cost. I remember many years ago paying $40 now it's $120. Thank you so much for your kind words! Please keep watching!
@@mangajack Hello Australia Tony, Things just get more expensive, I agree. Please keep watching!
Super good information, I haven't been impressed with super 77 but I use contact adhesive in leatherworking all the time and I feel very confident in it
Hello Unistar, Thank you so much! I love contact adhesive! Keep my customers happy! Please keep watching!
Thanks for the suggestion! I've been using the stuff in the spray can, but I only use it for hobby level projects. Thankfully I've never had a problem with it failing. But it's expensive in spray cans, and I'm happy to learn that its cheaper and just as easy to use from bulk containers. I'll dedicate an old spray gun and give it a try!
Hello Ted, you are so welcome! Yes, I think you have the right idea! Please keep watching!
35 years as a qualified motor trimmer in Australia and you are 💯 correct..
Hello Australia Jason, I totally agree with you! Please keep watching!
What would you recommend for a DIY adhesive for roof lining available in Australia? Thanks.
100% Agreement from me!! I have used that CRAP on headliners, per the exact instructions on the can, I was fine with it for about week, then the returns started. Stopped immediately Even stopped doing the headliner repair, USED to be part of my detail offerings, which now I Do not even detail anymore since I had my fight with cancer a few years ago. (It was in my hip so I could not really move around so good)
Hello Steven, Oh, I know right? I have paying customers so I only use the contact adhesive. I never had a comeback. I am so glad to hear that you are getting along ok. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you so much for sharing your vast years of experience and know how with us. I'm taking you advice way over some wannabe with 2 months experience! LOL!
Hello 7044, You are so welcome! I know huh? In the age of RUclips, everyone is an expert, just repeating what they heard in another video. Thank you so much! Please keep watching!
I made a console for my 64 Galaxie and used the 3 men spray and the vinyl fell off in about 3 months. I own Crystal Bear Leather works and use wood weld on leather its always done a great job for me
Hello Mike, Sometimes we learn the hard way right? If you work with leather, you will know what's right. Please keep watching!
Your video is much appreciated. I am in the process of building a urethane foam body for a 3-wheel car and need to consider edge bonding the panels together before glassing. Incidentally, I have used 3-M adhesive to replace a 15 year old cloth headliner in one of my vehicles. 12 years later it was still firmly in place. I thank you for your advice.
Hello Robert, You are so welcome. I tried gluing the urethane panels together for a fiberglass plug with the 3 men. But it fell apart. I ended up using a good wood glue. Just sayin'. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank You! Glad I found this. I used the 'can' to try to do a quick repair on my Very old BMW Headliner. It failed in no time. Super bummed as the job required some disassembly and I worked really hard.
Hello Gmans, Yep, this is how we learn. The next time we do much better. Please keep liking and watching!
That answers the questions I have had for a long time! Thanks!
Hello Tom, I am glad to hear I may have helped you understand. You are so welcome! Please keep watching!
OSAUT, I think you'll agree, there is no universal adhesive, the application determines what adhesive to use, some adhesives may have several applications. There is ALWAYS a cost to convenience.
Hello John, That may be the case for some people. I however, only use contact adhesive for my upholstery. I never have any "Come Backs" Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the vid. I always wondered if you had to clean out the gun every time or not.
Hello Sugar K, You are so welcome! I am so glad you have a new understanding about contact adhesive. Please keep watching!
So practical, sharing openly.Thanks!
Hello John, You are so welcome! Thank you very much! Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you so much I'll use it this week end for my headliner!
Hello Jay, if your just doing a repair, use a brush as air pressure will pull the rest of your headliner down. By all means, use the spray gun if your replacing all the material on your headliner. Thanks for watching!
Go ahead and piss them off Rudy. Another great video.
Hello Steve, Yea, let's go for it! Thanks for watching!
You are absolutely right. The 3M adhesive is for paper; however, the Gorilla works way better. Unfortunately you can't get the good stuff in CA any more.
Hello Fred, So I hear. It really is a thing isn't it? Please keep liking and watching!
You can't. Even get mineral spirits in Comifornia.
@@ke6bnl Hello Ke, Texas freedom awaits you. Hehe.
I like that glue. I use it on everything. Foam, vinyl, leather, fabric, sandwiches i make for the inlaws....
Hello Dusty, TMI... Hehe Please keep liking and watching!
Your not pissing me off I've had a headliner fail with 77 not again
Hello Sartorst, What pisses me off is young "Experts" giving bad information. recommending this stuff. Thanks for watching!
You are absolutely correct, good video 👍👍
Hello Ripstitch, Thank you so much for watching! I really appreciate it!
Bless you brother, please keep the content coming !
Thank you brother Otto, I really appreciate it. Please keep watching!
Yes I use the 3 men 90, and it works okay but as you said it is not reliable and can fail in the hot humid weather.
Hello Dew, Yep, you are right, So many have had that same experience! Thanks for watching!
That’s why it’s been failing on my boat then…..
I think that's what most all the pros use I have used contact adhesive it is good stuff
Hello James, You got that right! Please keep liking and watching!
Rudolph, very interesting and informative, I'm not in the business nor need to fix a seat, but I thought the subject matter seemed very interesting, and it was. Thanks for taking the time to put this video together. It I need any ideas I now know where to go! I did watch your video on Glue and I also found that informative as well, thanks again.
Hello Riderhard, Thank you so much for all the kind words! Feel free to see my other videos, I'd really appreciate it. Please keep watching!
You didn’t mention how expensive it is in a spray can. It doesn’t go far. and falls off. Highly recommended by all the experts. I learned the hard way.
Hello J, Sorry to say that I do not know how much the 3 men spray can costs as I never buy it. Remember, learning is doing! Please keep liking and watching!
Landou top glue! Awsome stuff
Hello Alfonso, I totally agree! I love the Landau top glue! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for your tips and tricks. I have an MGB to restore and I will use one of those kits. My chances of a nice looking job are increasing with your advice!
Hello Keith, You are so welcome! I think you will do just fine with your MGB. Thanks for hanging in there with me, Please keep liking and watching!
Thanks. Until now 3-M brand adhesive spray has the best comparison tests. I have a headliner that is beginning to detach at the windshield. Weldwood Landou may be more reliable but I don’t need a 5gl drum of solvent nor do I have a spray gun😅. I do see that Amazon carries a 14oz spray can of the stuff so I will be giving this a try after all. Thanks for posting the video. 👍
Hello Patt, I have seen quart cans of contact adhesive and paint brushes at the big box stores... Just sayin'. Hehe Please keep liking and watching!
I appreciate the info. I have to do my Mustang door this weekend. I almost bought the 3M. Glad I watched this video first.
Hello Warbak, I am so happy that you got to see this video. I think you will do just fine with your Mustang door. Just be sure to clean the old adhesive off as much as you can with mineral spirits before you use the new contact adhesive. Please keep liking and watching!
Thanks for the information. Good stuff, unfortunately for a small diy where it may be a small door panel or piece of carpet ungluing the spray can worked fine. I don't have a lot of space or ancompressor as I'm sure many dont so the can is probably what you have access to. I used both the orange can and the 3m, I found the spray pattern was better on the 3m. It also felt a bit better than the orange can, just a tiny bit though. Both seem to work for small parts where I used them.
Hello My, You are welcome. Being that I have paying customers and a really good reputation, I would never use any glue from a spray can. The least a person can do is buy a quart of contact adhesive and apply with a brush. The spray can stuff will fail over time where the contact adhesive will not. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you for your knowledgable input. I've always trusted the contact adhesive too but was afraid to spray it. After watching this video I think I'll give spraying a try. What size tip do you recommend ? Do you use an HVLP style or Old School gun? What pressure do you recommend at the gun? Thx in advance, KW.
Hello Gonk, You are so welcome! I just use a standard Harbor Freight $27 spray gun. Usually sprays anywhere from 25-75 psi. Please keep liking and watching!
I'm learning from my mistakes and used spray glue once at my c10 pickup headliner I put vinyl fabric and after three months started peeling I was very frustrated because I worked all day to do that and re do it again but I used contact glue this time and very different.
Spray glue sucks 😆😆
Hello Pedro, I always say that learning is doing! I am so happy to hear about your success. Please keep liking and watching!
Great video, I'm changing a 2011 Ford police interceptor headliner , and just some of the edges are coming out from the new one. I don't have spraygun. Can this be applied with a brush. Thanks
Hello Mr, Thank you so much for saying so! Yes, the contact adhesive can be spread by a brush. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you so much for your lesson(s) and thorough explanations! Great job - very informative and helpful.
Hello Lamblion, You are so welcome! I really appreciate all the kind words! Please keep watching!
3M 77 states on the can not to use in certain conditions as its a temporary hold. They recommend their 90 for permanent hold.
Hello Brett, Good luck with that one. I never saw a difference between the two. I stopped using the 3 men decades ago. I have paying customers that I cannot take the chance. Contact adhesive is a sure thing I can always count on. Please keep liking and watching!
Exactly what I needed to know. Straight on point no BS, thank you very much.
Hello Ta, You are so welcome! I am glad you see it my way. Please keep liking and watching!
I have been disappointed nearly anytime I use 77 unless it is a room temperature application.
It is touted to work with trim pieces and that is where I find it to be very worthless and they always start peeling no matter the prep!
I've used contact-adhesive out of the can and it is terrific in most all applications...
Thanks for pointing this out to new-players!
Hello Spinstar, Thank you for sharing your experience! We need to educate the newbie experts! Thanks for watching!
Thank you I learned something.
Hello Luke, You are so welcome! I hope you can take this with you always! Please keep watching!
The M company make a lot of great products and 77 has its place but you are 100% correct. This aint one of them.
Hello Mr Dan, I agree with you totally! Please keep watching!
Very interesting video, thank you. I might have missed something somewhere but what size spraygun cap/needle do you use, !.3, 1.4, 1.8 or maybe a 2.2? Thank you again for the video.
Hello Andy, You are so welcome! Thank you so much for saying so. I just use a cheapo Harbor Freight spray gun with the stock tip that it comes with. not rocket science, Hehe. Please keep liking and watching!
Again a great video. My son found out.(what's daddy know) Well he'll do it right the next time.
Hello Anthony, Yep, a learning experience! Please keep watching!
I started doing vinyl tops in the mid eighties and used the same thing!!!
Hello Glassman, The 70's and 80's were the golden age of vinyl tops! French tuck rear windows, 1/4 top, 1/2 top, French seams, 40" deck double seam or single seam tops right? Thanks for watching!
Another observation about 3 emm.. Recently they reduced the size of the can from 16 ounces to 13.6 (maybe .7) oz and increased the price at the same time.
I use it for making stencils.. and true, it eventually peels.
Hello Jeff, So true, So true... Thanks for watching!
I know Super 77 is not good for that application by reading the spec sheet. Figured that out years ago. It's a good product when used for the correct application but I don't use it for automotive projects, especially upholstery and headliners.
Hello Slick, Or anywhere there is heat. Please keep liking and watching!
Helpful video. Can I brush that glue on instead of spraying? I don’t have a sprayer
Hello Thunder, Thank you so much for saying so. Yes you can use a brush if you do not have a spray gun. Please keep liking and watching!
3 Men makes a high temp that is a 'little' better than the 77 counter part, but yes, the weldwood is the stuff to use.
Hello Greg's, Thanks for letting us know about your experience! Please keep watching!
Thank you for this vid. Every time I have used 3 men spray adhesive it comes apart......I thought I was using it wrong
Hello Ps, You are so welcome! Not you, it's the glue... 3 Men has been getting rich from an inferior product for a very, very long time. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you Mr Old School, just what I was looking for. Please keep making your very helpful videos.
Hello Just, You are so welcome! I hope these videos on my channel can be helpful for you. Please keep liking and watching!
My brother and I used to work at a T-shirt printer, we used three men as temporary adhesive all the shirts on the printing wheels
Hi Only, I can see how it would work on that. Please keep watching!
Save me trouble, thank you!
Hello Dave, Glad to help! Please keep watching!
Thanks so much for giving away your pro advice brotha👊! Keep up the Kick@ss videos!
Hello Brotha JB, You are so welcome! Thank you so much! Please keep watching!
Years ago my daughter and her girlfriend were driving around in this VW bug with the headliner on their heads!! So I pulled one side open to get my arm in there, sprayed it with some spray contact cement wasn’t three m. Worked still to this day three years!! Maybe a fluk ?
Hello Gill, You are a magician? Thanks for watching!
Excellent....thank you!
Hello Esroot, Thank you very much! I really appreciate it! Please keep liking and watching!
I was about to do my headliner with 3 m , tnx for the advice
Hello Palacios, Yep, don't do it! You would hate yourself for sure. I only use contact adhesive for everything I do. Please keep liking and watching!
I use that stuff to make cosplay helmets and costumes gluing foam fabric etc, I have stuff I made years ago that still holding together stuff is great.
Hello Martinez, I can see that, but not a good idea for auto upholstery. Especially if you have paying customers. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you for the awesome video, and saving me from buying the dreaded can of 90. Can you please tell me what brand of gun(s) I should be looking at, for a home diyer? Tyvm
Hello Damned, You are so welcome! I just use the cheap harbor freight spray gun. Or you can just use a brush. Thanks for watching!
Is a 1.7mm tip big enough to spray the DAP adhesive, or should it be larger? Thx again.
@@damnedin82 Hello Damned, It's not rocket science, I just use the stock tip that comes with the HF spray gun. Please keep watching!
Awesome!!
Great tips!!
Hello Unfinished, I am so glad that you liked it! Please keep watching!
The driver's side foam has collapsed in my '88 Chevy pickup (bench seat). The cloth upholstery and passenger side foam are perfect. Would you do an episode on how to repair collapsed foam? Thanks.
Hello Max, There is foam repair in this video: ruclips.net/video/dODSTA6C0m8/видео.html Please keep watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery Thank you, my friend! I had already seen that one. I'm dealing with a larger area and the foam is collapsed, not torn.
@@maxironpaw Hello Max, the process is all the same, take out what's bad and replace it with new foam, or supplement the foam you have now. Thanks for watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery Thanks!
@@jaegeen You are so welcome! Please keep watching!
Hi great channel!!!, i was wondering why you use and old syphon spray gun? do the work best than gravity? and didnt say the tip size
Hello Wilson, A syphon spray gun is what's worked for me for 43 years. Easy to set on top of a table while working and not top heavy like a gravity fed gun. Easier on the wrist. I never worried about tip size. Remember it's not rocket science. Please keep liking and watching!
Thanks for the information, you have been a big help! Just curious what size tip you use in your gun? Thanks again.
Hello W Rum, I dunno... I just bought the cheap Harbor Freight gun and use it. Thank you so much! Please keep watching!
Just some FYI reference the "spray-gun" shown in this video, i.e., a Chinesium: low grade, cheap spray gun. Is a nock-off of the Bink's model "7," syphon spray gun. Another spray-gun used in the Autobody trade was a "DeVilbiss" spray-gun. Who's design was used for any year's in the Autobody world for many year's before the Japanese spray guns (Sharpe's) started to enter the market approx. early 1980's, if I'm not mistaken. If I'm wrong, oh well I might be a little off on the date. As a old and retired Autobody guy, that's all I ever seen in upholstery shop's, were spray gun setup's. Some of the shops used two quarts spray-pot's or even three gallon spray-pot's. (you get to where your putting on two or three vinyl tops a week, this is what your gonna need.) But never as we called them "Spray-Bomb's," i.e., spray-cans from some bull-shite company that sounds like 3-men. As someone who has personally removed a lot of automotive vinyl tops, to save some money so the upholstery shop didn't have to, the one thing I always notice about factory vinyl tops, was the uniform coverage, and appearance of the glue, i.e. it was always sprayed on via a spray-gun.
Hello Stanwood, You are 100% correct in your recollections! I used them all through the years. Glue pots, then DeVelbiss, then Sharpes. Then I discovered the Harbor Freight. Now I buy a $27 HF spray gun every two or so years. Hard to argue that one.... I have done hundreds of vinyl tops, mostly in the 70's, 80's and 90's. Thanks for bringing back some memories! Please keep watching!
Thanks for the video! Weldwood has a spray aerosol can as well, have you tried this? Might be the answer for people who have small projects. Another question, when using mineral spirits to remove old adhesive, will remaining mineral spirits film cause adhesian issues? What can be used to remove any remaining film? Also, this stuff has a VERY STRONG ODOR, use in a very well ventilated area. I bought a very small can at home big box store. I found that it's pretty potent and will destroy cheap (practice) vinyl. Thanks again for the video!
HELLO 134ziNG4, You are so welcome! I didn't know about the aerosol can. After the mineral spirits have dried, I never think about any film. You can apply it over dried mineral spirits, but I would not re-apply it over wet mineral spirits. I have never had any problem doing it this way. Thanks for the awesome comment! Please keep watching!
Does the adhesive set up in the jar of the gun? If so, how quickly?
Hello Max, If it is a hot summer, it might last a month. If the cup is almost empty, a week. Thanks for watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery Thank you for taking the time to reply.
@@jaegeen Sure, no problem, you are welcome! Please keep watching!
The ONLY reason why the 'children' recommend the 3M Super 77 is because it's as close to instant gratification as they can get. Doing it right the first time is not the point. Doing it as fast and easy as possible is all that matters to 'them'.
The real purpose of the 3M Super 77 is as you mentioned, NOT EVER DRYING or really being permanent. It's great for the vapour barrier film one attaches to the door metal between the door and the door card to keep the water coming down from the window off the door card.
Hello First, I agree with you totally! Thank you for watching!
My big problem isn't the adhesive, but the laminated foam/cloth of head liners etc. The part that I or the factory glues on stays, but the laminate or what ever you want to call it splits in the middle. Doesn't matter how well glued it is!!
Hello Duncan, Are you talking about the degrading headliner foam as it ages? Please keep liking and watching!
I tried this on a GM headliner years ago. HUGE FAIL !!!!!!. I thought it was just me not knowing what i was doing. Had a headache the first few weeks after riding in that car. Glad years later to see it was the product.
Hello Volkswagon, It was not you, it was the huge corporation that sounds like "3Men". Warn everyone you know to stay away from the spray glues! Thanks for watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery thank you for the great content. I've learned a lot from your videos
@@Volkswagenplanet Hello Volkswagon, You are so welcome! Thank you for hanging in there with me! Please keep watching!
Its simple. Its what goes in the can for preasure and to atomize content thin. Chemical make up / reactions. Where in the sprayer its done by ventury. But its understanding. Prep. Usage. Per an application (what your doing it for. Both)
Hello Frank, More importantly, I think it is the glue being applied. Gooey sticky stuff that never cures or contact adhesive. Not rocket science. Please keep liking and watching!
Mr. Rudolph,
Thanks so much for all your information. Question is can I use a brush to spread this adhesive instead of spray?
Hello Massoud, You are so welcome! Oh, yes you can use a brush for contact cement, absolutely! Please keep liking and watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery Thank you so so so much
I did use the spray, it was waste of money and time
Thanks so much for your videos, I love them
@@massoudzadeh3394 Hello Massoud, Yep, you are so welcome! Well, that is how we learn is by doing. Please keep liking and watching!
Thanks for the informative video, much appreciated.
I’m about to attach fabric backed foam to fiberglass headliner (fabric facing fiberglass) and then attaching vinyl to the foam on a ‘66 Thunderbird Landau. I’ve had awful luck with 3 mmmmm 🤔.
How does this product hold up to heat? Oh…and what’s the cure time. I’ll leave the headliner off the car for a year. If I have to. I don’t wanna have to do this a fourth time. 😂
Hello Scott, I had a 66 T-bird 428 Town Landau many years ago. Seen here: www.rudolphsupholstery.com/rudolphs-3 Contact adhesive is all I use on everything. I give my cure 24 hours. Vinyl is tricky in the curves. I'm sure you will do just fine. Please keep liking and watching!
I've been doing some research to replace my headliner and I can remember this being used in my dad's shop back in the day restoring cars. I'm sure it hasn't changed much because it still looks pretty toxic. Is there a product that will work for daily driver that is fairly safe that you know of? Even if it only lasts 5 years I don't care, have to compromise. I am out in Colorado and Utah so it gets scorching hot. I'm also going to put some Kilmat on the roof to keep the heat and noise out while I'm replacing the headliner.
Hello Detroit, I have to say that I can ONLY recommend contact adhesive by spray gun or even by brush. But I think by brush will be more difficult. Please keep liking and watching!
3M in the black and Green can which you cant buy in stores works, but any of the 3M you can buy in stores is junk. 3M 90 and 94 it's double the price for a reason. But yeah I use Dap from the can and use spray gun they also now sell it in the spray can which I use for small quick jobs.
Hello Toffee, I am stubborn Old School I guess. I find no reason at all to use more than the only one Contact adhesive that I have been using for 43 years for everything. I was using this before there was such a thing as 3M spray adhesive. No need to spend money on anything else. But that's just me. Please keep liking and watching!
No I'm not telling you to use it but the stuff most people buy is for arts and crafts in the red and black bottle. I got the black and green stuff through some guys at work for small jobs, 4 5 years later still strong. I use dap when I'm doing a big job, it's far to expensive to use anyways spay can cost as much as gallon of dap.
@@toffeerado Hello Toffee, I'm glad it worked out for you. I have customers that I need to be reliable for. Please keep liking and watching!
Yeah, still haven't told you to use it not sure why you think I'm telling you to. I'm jusy saying they have different grades, and that why thier strong stuff isn't sold in stores just as dap is also not sold in stores and illegal in 7 states I think.
@@toffeerado Hello Toffe, I got ya. You're not telling me to use it. My answer was for anyone reading my comment, Why I prefer contact adhesive. I love you my brother and appreciate your comments. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you for the insight and recommendation, Rudolfo! BTW - looking sharp in that shirt!
Hello Romeo, You are so welcome! Yea, didn't have to wear my work uniform for this one. Please keep watching!
Will do! Take care
Yes and no.
Weld wood is great for professionals, and very serious hobbyists.
That said, many DIY people searching on YT for advice lack a compressor, they don’t have in-line air filtration, regulators, hoses, and spray guns. So?
For those folks, there IS one 3M spray product that WILL work for attaching a NEW headliner to a CLEAN headboard card!
Yes, it will last, even in hot humid Florida… I know, because I have done it, and my 2006 Porsche Alcantara headliner is holding firm at 4+ years so far. No issues.
Caveat: You must choose the CORRECT type of 3M product. Only use 3M SKU# 38808, labeled as 3M Headliner Adhesive.
While there are several types of 3M spray adhesives sold, THE ONLY 3M aerosol to use for automobile headliners is the 3M product which is labeled as “3M #38808 Headliner Adhesive”.
Never use Type 77. Ever.
The Type 77 product is not intended for automobiles. It will fail. Stop. Put it down.
One more time, NEVER, EVER use 3M “Super 77 Multipurpose Adhesive”.
Only use 38808. The 3M #38808 Headliner Adhesive is intended specifically for automobile headliners, and is NOT the same chemistry as Type 77.
Notice that our professional video host here is showing “3M Type 77” as an example of what won’t work for headliners, and in that respect he is speaking fact. But I found this video somewhat misleading, because I myself have used 3M #38808 from an aerosol can successfully in harsh, hot, humid conditions and with great success.
The benefit of using (the correct type of) aerosol spray, is convenience obviously, and the lack of any investment in spray equipment. If you don’t own a 9.5+CFM compressor and the required AIR/OIL filtration, air hose set-up and suitable spray gun, and you don’t plan on repairing more than one headliner, you absolutely can still do an excellent headliner repair using two or three cans ($20 each) of the 3M #38808 Headliner Adhesive spray.
On the other hand, IF you already own a 9.5+ CFM compressor, and a good spray set-up, It IS more cost-effective to just buy a quart of the Weldwood Landau glue product and go that route… and no, I do not work for 3M. 👍🏼
Hello Uncle, Thank you for your contribution. I just have to say something about you saying I am misleading people. I was basically talking about the most common "77" spray products. The quality is no secret. For 43 years as an upholstery shop, I have only used what I know. Contact adhesive by spray gun or if by brush if need be. I have never had to use 38808, so I have no experience with it. That's why I'm Old School. I only use what I can guarantee myself, happy customers. Like I always say, there is always more than one way of getting things done. Love you brother. Please keep liking and watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery hello!
I didn’t mean to discredit you!
What I meant was, that new DIY people might think that there is no way they can do this without a compressed air set-up and the DAP product. We all know that biggest issue is to prepare both of the surfaces correctly!👍🏼
@@UncleDuncan5092 Hello Uncle, Right On! Right on. Please keep liking and watching!