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Most people don't know about these old school ways because in a throw away society it's all about move the new version of product in the most wasteful way so more can be sold. I've known that there were better adhesives for some time but didn't know where to get them or what they were, so thank you for the information.
Hello M, You are so welcome! You are so right! Experience is learned over time. Fourty years ago, if there were four different products on a shelf for something, now there are 25. Thanks for watching!
Also, i gotta say, its awesome that you read AND give feedback on everyone’s comments. Even after being busy all day. Honored to be let into your shop, via video. Thanks for taking the time, for real.
Hello JB, I am so glad that you noticed! I have another video with well over 2000 comments, and I answered every one of them. You are right about me being a very busy person! Thanks for watching!
Excellent tutorial. To the point, brief and concise, on target. He presents the stuff clearly, in order and addresses normal unavoidable questions that will come up to any normal person trying to use the product. Great instructor, definitely thumbs up and subscribe.
I've also been doing upholstery for over 40 years, we found out a LONG time ago not to use spray can adhesive for headliners. Weldwood is good stuff, there used to be a green colored contact cement that was even better but they changed the formulation and it was no good, don't think that company is around anymore. And I have also used cheap quart spray guns, and you never really have to clean them out UNLESS you leave the glue in and the weather is hot and it dries out inside the gun.
This is One of the times i am sooo glad i procrastinated putting my new headliner in the truck!! I already have the 3m 77 and was going to use it, but really felt it wasn't going to hold for years to come. Woodweld looks like the best product to use.....thank you!!
Hello Lynch, Oh, I love hearing good news like this! I'm glad you saw this video. Did you dee this headliner video? ruclips.net/video/dXpF0Op_xRU/видео.html Please keep liking and watching!
Im glad you made this video. after watching your seat repair video i was trying to think what it was you had in the gun. i kinda thought contact adheasive, but i was also thinking it would clog up like crazy. but thanks for showing me the way.
Hello, I Repair, I am so happy to hear the good news that now you have a better understanding! Yes, this is all true, (About the glue) Thanks for watching!
Well you answered what I had been wondering which is do you have to clean your gun after every use or every day. That weld wood contact adhesive aint no joke. I think thats what they put the space shuttle together with! Good video as always, keep them coming please.
Awesome video, great info. I had my car vandalized with spray paint and paint from a can. I used mineral spirits and removed 99% of it. I was shocked at how good it worked with ZERO damage to my car. Even the rubber trim that was sun beaten and faded…took nearly all of that off. That was the only place with a hint of the vandals work. I imagine the vandals were shocked because by the time the sun came up, my car was sparkly clean. Not only did i remove all the vandal’s work, but I cleaned and washed/waxed the vehicle right after. Mineral Spirits are no joke, saved me for sure.
Hello Todd, Thank you so much! Wow! That is good news! I am so glad you had the wonderful experience of how well mineral spirits works! Please keep watching!
I'm about to replace the headliner of my 2003 Corvette which is a simple job because can remove the top, turn it upside down on my table (on top of towels for padding so the paint won't get scratched), and go to work. I've never done this before but it seems easy because there is not much headliner there. Amazingly I was just about to order Super 77 but then this excellent video just appeared in the nick of time! Thank you! Looking online, I see that DAP WeldWood comes in not only 1 and 5 gallon cans but I only need several ounces to coat both sides. Luckily there is a new option: "DAP Weldwood Landau Top & Trim HHR Solvent Type Spray Contact Adhesive" in a light blue and black 14 ounce spray can. The can has the same colors we see on your 5 gallon drum containing this same product. One product reviewer wrote that the spray comes out lumpy and that can be felt through the headliner. Another product reviewer described how he sprays the product into a small container then paints it onto his project using a brush. Care to comment? I live in Florida where the heat in unbearable half the year. So thank you again for explaining the benefit of this superior product.
Hello Just, I have never used the spray can version. Usually, if someone asks, and they do not have a spray gun, I will tell them that they can always use a brush. Really, I only use contact adhesive for everything I do. Please keep liking and watching!
I started with the 3 and it just makes a gum-pucky mess of everything! I have however been affraid of spray guns getting clogged etc. I feel much better now about giving it a go, I am doing a 56 Chev Bel Air seat in Suede right now and I knew 3 would be a failure but wasnt sure which direction to go, thank you for sharing your years of experience :D I appreciate you for doing this video!
Super good information, I haven't been impressed with super 77 but I use contact adhesive in leatherworking all the time and I feel very confident in it
You got it. The 3m spray works if you can keep things cool. Heat makes it wimp out, like the heat found in cars. I use to use it when I recovered my pool tables, and it would stay hard and strong over years and then have to rip the old felt off the slate. In a vehicle it was crap and with heat it would turn loose. Barge is another excellent contact adhesive, and I used it to glue new rubber pool bumpers to the wood that mounted the bumpers to the sides of the table after reclothing them as well.
I do agree with you as I have had problems with the spray can adhesive. You mentioned that it does not hold good. That is a fact even the hot sun will loosen it.. I,m not a trimmer but I enjoy your videos
Thank you for sharing this. As an automotive hobbyist,finding a decent adhesive hasn’t been easy and I’ve never like any of the ones I’ve used. Trying to get free information from local upholstery shops has gone nowhere. So again, thank you. Ps-great sense of humor no pants 😆
Your video is much appreciated. I am in the process of building a urethane foam body for a 3-wheel car and need to consider edge bonding the panels together before glassing. Incidentally, I have used 3-M adhesive to replace a 15 year old cloth headliner in one of my vehicles. 12 years later it was still firmly in place. I thank you for your advice.
Hello Robert, You are so welcome. I tried gluing the urethane panels together for a fiberglass plug with the 3 men. But it fell apart. I ended up using a good wood glue. Just sayin'. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you so much for sharing your vast years of experience and know how with us. I'm taking you advice way over some wannabe with 2 months experience! LOL!
Hello 7044, You are so welcome! I know huh? In the age of RUclips, everyone is an expert, just repeating what they heard in another video. Thank you so much! Please keep watching!
Thanks for your tips and tricks. I have an MGB to restore and I will use one of those kits. My chances of a nice looking job are increasing with your advice!
Yep! I did auto upholstery installs only(no sewing, someone else made the seat cover kits)for about 4-5 years for a company that replaced the cheap interiors in mini trucks like Datsun, Dodge d50's and some Toyota's back in the late '70's. Never used a rattle can of adhesive, and the back area of a Datsun King Cab had to be carpeted up to the door panel line that was to be glued in, oh yeah the door panels. I think they hired me because all I did was vinyl tops back then. A place in Portland OR called Perfect-Fit McDonald Co. sold 5 gallons of glue for about 45 bucks. Different brands came and went, I recall green and even a red color glue but mostly a beige color glue. I used a Graco 2.5 gallon pressure pot and never cleaned anything but the Binks gun nozzle. Later when I opened a auto body and paint shop I had a headliner in a '82 Zed 28 Camaro to replace and used a 3M rattle can but it all came loose and I had to buy a cheap gun and a qt can of general purpose contact cement to fix the headliner.
If it's not broken don't fix it!! That is all I ever used when I had my upholstery shop for 18 years. From the smallest to the biggest jobs. I agree with you 100%.
I have to thank you! I wasn’t looking for that information but now I know why gluing a failing headliner was never a permanent repair. I thought it might be the foam on the back of the fabric that was deteriorating. Now I know! Thanks!
It IS the foam backing that deteriorates. The glue is nearly always still on the headliner panel, that the material is glued onto. It's important to prep the surface and use adequate amount of glue to make a positive bond. Use too little and the foambacked fabric will be reaching down and letting you know, if you didn't do it right.😁☕
@@invisibilianone6288 Hello Invisi, Oh, yea. I have done many of those over the decades. You can see more on my website under truck seats. Rudolphsupholstery.com Please keep liking and watching!
I made a console for my 64 Galaxie and used the 3 men spray and the vinyl fell off in about 3 months. I own Crystal Bear Leather works and use wood weld on leather its always done a great job for me
Hello Jay, if your just doing a repair, use a brush as air pressure will pull the rest of your headliner down. By all means, use the spray gun if your replacing all the material on your headliner. Thanks for watching!
Hello Nec, That is how we learn not to do it again. We have to make the mistakes first or just to take the advise of unexperienced experts! Please keep liking and watching!
I used the the spray can from 3M for my convertible top and it held pretty good. It was recommended to me by a professional installer who was nice enough to give me a few tips and encouraged me to do the job myself which I did.This was before You Tube
Hello Ps, You are so welcome! Not you, it's the glue... 3 Men has been getting rich from an inferior product for a very, very long time. Please keep liking and watching!
Rudolph, very interesting and informative, I'm not in the business nor need to fix a seat, but I thought the subject matter seemed very interesting, and it was. Thanks for taking the time to put this video together. It I need any ideas I now know where to go! I did watch your video on Glue and I also found that informative as well, thanks again.
Hello Warbak, I am so happy that you got to see this video. I think you will do just fine with your Mustang door. Just be sure to clean the old adhesive off as much as you can with mineral spirits before you use the new contact adhesive. Please keep liking and watching!
Thanks for the suggestion! I've been using the stuff in the spray can, but I only use it for hobby level projects. Thankfully I've never had a problem with it failing. But it's expensive in spray cans, and I'm happy to learn that its cheaper and just as easy to use from bulk containers. I'll dedicate an old spray gun and give it a try!
Hello Glassman, The 70's and 80's were the golden age of vinyl tops! French tuck rear windows, 1/4 top, 1/2 top, French seams, 40" deck double seam or single seam tops right? Thanks for watching!
Wow, those 5 gallon cans are expensive. But, I can see that it is much cheaper than buying it by the gallon. And it is better to use the best product the first time. I have never done upholstery work, but it sure is enjoyable watching you make everything look like new again. Thanks !
Hello Ron, You are right about the high cost. I remember many years ago paying $40 now it's $120. Thank you so much for your kind words! Please keep watching!
Hello Wilson, A syphon spray gun is what's worked for me for 43 years. Easy to set on top of a table while working and not top heavy like a gravity fed gun. Easier on the wrist. I never worried about tip size. Remember it's not rocket science. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you for your knowledgable input. I've always trusted the contact adhesive too but was afraid to spray it. After watching this video I think I'll give spraying a try. What size tip do you recommend ? Do you use an HVLP style or Old School gun? What pressure do you recommend at the gun? Thx in advance, KW.
Hello Gonk, You are so welcome! I just use a standard Harbor Freight $27 spray gun. Usually sprays anywhere from 25-75 psi. Please keep liking and watching!
Thanks. Until now 3-M brand adhesive spray has the best comparison tests. I have a headliner that is beginning to detach at the windshield. Weldwood Landou may be more reliable but I don’t need a 5gl drum of solvent nor do I have a spray gun😅. I do see that Amazon carries a 14oz spray can of the stuff so I will be giving this a try after all. Thanks for posting the video. 👍
Thanks for the information. Good stuff, unfortunately for a small diy where it may be a small door panel or piece of carpet ungluing the spray can worked fine. I don't have a lot of space or ancompressor as I'm sure many dont so the can is probably what you have access to. I used both the orange can and the 3m, I found the spray pattern was better on the 3m. It also felt a bit better than the orange can, just a tiny bit though. Both seem to work for small parts where I used them.
Hello My, You are welcome. Being that I have paying customers and a really good reputation, I would never use any glue from a spray can. The least a person can do is buy a quart of contact adhesive and apply with a brush. The spray can stuff will fail over time where the contact adhesive will not. Please keep liking and watching!
I'm 100% in agreement! I've tried many different brands of can spray adhesive and they all eventually fail. My last and final project I tried with 3M spray was on speaker cabinets veneered with Mahogany. within a day the veneer started lifting, it was a total disaster, and I wasted expensive veneer. Weldwood contact is the best, period. Once bonded, it strays stuck forever.
So, for the one small repair (actually a modification) I have to do, I will buy a compressor, spray gun, and a 5 gallon can of adhesive? Now, honestly I have the compressor, and the spray gun, as well as a good assortment of professional grade tools. But I won't be going into the upholstery business. So, what non-commercial, non-industrial, easily available in small amounts adhesive should I use? The bond is temporary and will be ultimately held with rivets. One small part of a "high-end" leather upholstered Harley seat is all I need to do. So, what should I use? I already know what I am using, but I ran into your video and figured I would ask. I went and watched some of your other videos. Great stuff. Good work. Oh, my modification? I am cutting the nose off the pan of a seat made for an old Electra Glide to shorten it for use on a Street Glide. Just pulling back a few inches of the nose leather and shortening the pan and foam, then putting the leather back.
Hello Fernando, You got it right. Just pick up some contact adhesive from the big box store and use a brush. Easy.. Hehe Please keep liking and watching!
Very interesting video, thank you. I might have missed something somewhere but what size spraygun cap/needle do you use, !.3, 1.4, 1.8 or maybe a 2.2? Thank you again for the video.
Hello Andy, You are so welcome! Thank you so much for saying so. I just use a cheapo Harbor Freight spray gun with the stock tip that it comes with. not rocket science, Hehe. Please keep liking and watching!
Thanks for the video! Weldwood has a spray aerosol can as well, have you tried this? Might be the answer for people who have small projects. Another question, when using mineral spirits to remove old adhesive, will remaining mineral spirits film cause adhesian issues? What can be used to remove any remaining film? Also, this stuff has a VERY STRONG ODOR, use in a very well ventilated area. I bought a very small can at home big box store. I found that it's pretty potent and will destroy cheap (practice) vinyl. Thanks again for the video!
HELLO 134ziNG4, You are so welcome! I didn't know about the aerosol can. After the mineral spirits have dried, I never think about any film. You can apply it over dried mineral spirits, but I would not re-apply it over wet mineral spirits. I have never had any problem doing it this way. Thanks for the awesome comment! Please keep watching!
Hello Luc, You are so welcome! I am so glad that your here. Sorry to say that I do not know the size of the spray nozzle. It is a stock cheapo spray gun from Harbor Freight. Please keep liking and watching!
You are absolutely right. The 3M adhesive is for paper; however, the Gorilla works way better. Unfortunately you can't get the good stuff in CA any more.
I'm learning from my mistakes and used spray glue once at my c10 pickup headliner I put vinyl fabric and after three months started peeling I was very frustrated because I worked all day to do that and re do it again but I used contact glue this time and very different. Spray glue sucks 😆😆
The driver's side foam has collapsed in my '88 Chevy pickup (bench seat). The cloth upholstery and passenger side foam are perfect. Would you do an episode on how to repair collapsed foam? Thanks.
@@maxironpaw Hello Max, the process is all the same, take out what's bad and replace it with new foam, or supplement the foam you have now. Thanks for watching!
Hello Golffe, Extruded polystyrene foam (XPS) insulation can be safely applied directly on a steel deck with contact adhesive only with a thermal barrier. Without it the glue will eat the foam. Please keep liking and watching!
Years ago my daughter and her girlfriend were driving around in this VW bug with the headliner on their heads!! So I pulled one side open to get my arm in there, sprayed it with some spray contact cement wasn’t three m. Worked still to this day three years!! Maybe a fluk ?
Thanks for the informative video, much appreciated. I’m about to attach fabric backed foam to fiberglass headliner (fabric facing fiberglass) and then attaching vinyl to the foam on a ‘66 Thunderbird Landau. I’ve had awful luck with 3 mmmmm 🤔. How does this product hold up to heat? Oh…and what’s the cure time. I’ll leave the headliner off the car for a year. If I have to. I don’t wanna have to do this a fourth time. 😂
Hello Scott, I had a 66 T-bird 428 Town Landau many years ago. Seen here: www.rudolphsupholstery.com/rudolphs-3 Contact adhesive is all I use on everything. I give my cure 24 hours. Vinyl is tricky in the curves. I'm sure you will do just fine. Please keep liking and watching!
Thanks. I just tried this for the first time today. The gun was kind of spitting globs. I was wondering about the gun pressure. I had to read about a hundred comments to get to this one that had the pressure that you use. I guess I will just spend some time dialing in the gun. Then more time practicing sewing a straight line. Thanks so much for your videos. I feel like you have be come a friend of mine.@@oldschoolautoupholstery
@@fredpierce9363 Hello Fred, My friend. I usually use at least 35 psi or more at the spray gun. I adjust the fan to be as small as I can get and increased the material knob. One trick is to hold your finger at the tip opening and squeeze the trigger. This pressurizes the cup and pushes out the glue. Try it, you might like it! Please keep liking and watching!
Great video, I'm changing a 2011 Ford police interceptor headliner , and just some of the edges are coming out from the new one. I don't have spraygun. Can this be applied with a brush. Thanks
Thank you for the awesome video, and saving me from buying the dreaded can of 90. Can you please tell me what brand of gun(s) I should be looking at, for a home diyer? Tyvm
OSAUT, I think you'll agree, there is no universal adhesive, the application determines what adhesive to use, some adhesives may have several applications. There is ALWAYS a cost to convenience.
Hello John, That may be the case for some people. I however, only use contact adhesive for my upholstery. I never have any "Come Backs" Thanks for watching!
I've been doing some research to replace my headliner and I can remember this being used in my dad's shop back in the day restoring cars. I'm sure it hasn't changed much because it still looks pretty toxic. Is there a product that will work for daily driver that is fairly safe that you know of? Even if it only lasts 5 years I don't care, have to compromise. I am out in Colorado and Utah so it gets scorching hot. I'm also going to put some Kilmat on the roof to keep the heat and noise out while I'm replacing the headliner.
Hello Detroit, I have to say that I can ONLY recommend contact adhesive by spray gun or even by brush. But I think by brush will be more difficult. Please keep liking and watching!
My big problem isn't the adhesive, but the laminated foam/cloth of head liners etc. The part that I or the factory glues on stays, but the laminate or what ever you want to call it splits in the middle. Doesn't matter how well glued it is!!
I know Super 77 is not good for that application by reading the spec sheet. Figured that out years ago. It's a good product when used for the correct application but I don't use it for automotive projects, especially upholstery and headliners.
Another observation about 3 emm.. Recently they reduced the size of the can from 16 ounces to 13.6 (maybe .7) oz and increased the price at the same time. I use it for making stencils.. and true, it eventually peels.
Just some FYI reference the "spray-gun" shown in this video, i.e., a Chinesium: low grade, cheap spray gun. Is a nock-off of the Bink's model "7," syphon spray gun. Another spray-gun used in the Autobody trade was a "DeVilbiss" spray-gun. Who's design was used for any year's in the Autobody world for many year's before the Japanese spray guns (Sharpe's) started to enter the market approx. early 1980's, if I'm not mistaken. If I'm wrong, oh well I might be a little off on the date. As a old and retired Autobody guy, that's all I ever seen in upholstery shop's, were spray gun setup's. Some of the shops used two quarts spray-pot's or even three gallon spray-pot's. (you get to where your putting on two or three vinyl tops a week, this is what your gonna need.) But never as we called them "Spray-Bomb's," i.e., spray-cans from some bull-shite company that sounds like 3-men. As someone who has personally removed a lot of automotive vinyl tops, to save some money so the upholstery shop didn't have to, the one thing I always notice about factory vinyl tops, was the uniform coverage, and appearance of the glue, i.e. it was always sprayed on via a spray-gun.
Hello Stanwood, You are 100% correct in your recollections! I used them all through the years. Glue pots, then DeVelbiss, then Sharpes. Then I discovered the Harbor Freight. Now I buy a $27 HF spray gun every two or so years. Hard to argue that one.... I have done hundreds of vinyl tops, mostly in the 70's, 80's and 90's. Thanks for bringing back some memories! Please keep watching!
Hi Mr. Rudy, I have a question about the 3M. Is the High Strength 90 suitable to use for seat foam and headliners? It's different than the Super 77 but I've never used it for upholstery before. The 90 says "heat resistant" and "contact adhesive" on the label. Thanks for your videos and thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Hello Mitch, You are so welcome! I have seen other peoples messes with High Strength 90. I will never use it. I want to keep a good reputation with my paying customers. For 43 years I have stayed with what I know works without fail. I never have something I need to Redo. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, tips, experiences! At 40+ years young I’m thinking to learn the upholstery craft particularly for boats! Seems like a niche in the market to be had here and I don’t see myself retiring anytime soon. Does this adhesive work well for boat seat and marine applications? Much thanks for your time and the treasure cove of knowledge you share with us!
Hello Outdoors, You are so welcome! Doing boat upholstery is a great way to make income in our latter years. You can charge more for boat upholstery than you can for auto upholstery. When you get good at it with a good reputation, the money will flow. I only use contact adhesive for everything. Please keep liking and watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery very thankful for your response and that is great news to hear! In the past I have done custom leather work to sell and while I had success with it selling all over the USA the amount of time that I invested in each piece , money made after labor involved was not much. I’m thinking I will enjoy doing boat upholstery and it will be prosperous! and you are helping me along the way. Thank you!
@@outdoorsadrenaline Hello Outdoors, I'm so glad to help! I think you will do just fine doing upholstery. I don't do many full interior restorations anymore because of the time it takes. I much rather do the quick high-paying jobs, get 'em in and out. Gotta keep the money river flowing right? Please keep liking and watching!
@@Hobojay Hello Javier, The reason your headliner is failing is because of the foam that separates from the fabric. Any air pressure from a glue gun will blow apart whats left of your headliner. I think it is just time for a new headliner. At least that is what I would do. Thanks for watching!
If I had regular foam without the scrim material, could I just glue some cotton or polyester material to the back side of the foam so the bottom thread wouldn't pull through the foam? Or is that even necessary? Could I just sew it without scrim fabric? The foam I would be using is 1/4" to 1" thick. Thanks.
Hello Big, You could back your old foam if you want, but it is 2023. You can buy backed foam. Unbacked foam friction will drag on the sewing machine very badly. Just get the right stuff, and you will be ok. Please keep liking and watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery Its tough to get stuff locally. I ordered some foam, but it didn't have the scrim fabric on it. I thought if I needed it, I could glue some fabric onto it. Would that work okay, or not bother, or try and find some other foam with backing?
@@bigfranksworld Hello Big, Since you already have the foam, you might as well use it. You can add a thin backing to it. I did that decades ago. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank You for your advice. I plan on using the contact cement to adhere foam to the felt underlay. I hope it works for that application. Another question. How long will the product last when in the sprayer without hardening?
Hello Jon, You are welcome! Contact adhesive will work. The glue getting hard depends on the temperature. It will last longer in the cup if it is cooler outside, maybe a month. With very hot temps, maybe a week. Please keep liking and watching!
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@@b.powell3480 Have you tried Amazon? Thanks for watching!
Thanks, I'll check Amazon out, however, I don't use a lot, only small to medium sized projects
These 5 minutes were more instructive and useful than hours and hours of the hey-look-at-me bois. Thanks!
Hello Max, Thank you so much for saying so! I really appreciate it! Please keep watching!
Most people don't know about these old school ways because in a throw away society it's all about move the new version of product in the most wasteful way so more can be sold.
I've known that there were better adhesives for some time but didn't know where to get them or what they were, so thank you for the information.
Hello M, You are so welcome! You are so right! Experience is learned over time. Fourty years ago, if there were four different products on a shelf for something, now there are 25. Thanks for watching!
Also, i gotta say, its awesome that you read AND give feedback on everyone’s comments. Even after being busy all day. Honored to be let into your shop, via video. Thanks for taking the time, for real.
Hello JB, I am so glad that you noticed! I have another video with well over 2000 comments, and I answered every one of them. You are right about me being a very busy person! Thanks for watching!
Yep, OSAU is a solid dude.
Excellent tutorial. To the point, brief and concise, on target. He presents the stuff clearly, in order and addresses normal unavoidable questions that will come up to any normal person trying to use the product. Great instructor, definitely thumbs up and subscribe.
Kind of funny as he said scrim I thought what's that then he said If you don't know...
Hello Kevin, Yep, good 'Ol scrim as it is known in the business. Please keep watching!
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You are 100% right. I used the 3m spray adhesive years ago, and when it got hot in summer, the material would fall off. It is crap.
Hello Timothy, I see you are a person with experience. Those of us that know, really know right? Please keep liking and watching!
I've also been doing upholstery for over 40 years, we found out a LONG time ago not to use spray can adhesive for headliners. Weldwood is good stuff, there used to be a green colored contact cement that was even better but they changed the formulation and it was no good, don't think that company is around anymore. And I have also used cheap quart spray guns, and you never really have to clean them out UNLESS you leave the glue in and the weather is hot and it dries out inside the gun.
Hello Mttmg, I remember the green glue! Yep, good 'Ol Harbor Freight spray guns. Thanks for watching!
Thank you Rudolph. I was wondering about the spray gun clean up. Now I know.
Hello SteveO, You are so welcome! I am so glad you have a better understanding about this. Please keep watching!
This is One of the times i am sooo glad i procrastinated putting my new headliner in the truck!! I already have the 3m 77 and was going to use it, but really felt it wasn't going to hold for years to come. Woodweld looks like the best product to use.....thank you!!
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Im glad you made this video. after watching your seat repair video i was trying to think what it was you had in the gun. i kinda thought contact adheasive, but i was also thinking it would clog up like crazy. but thanks for showing me the way.
Hello, I Repair, I am so happy to hear the good news that now you have a better understanding! Yes, this is all true, (About the glue) Thanks for watching!
Well you answered what I had been wondering which is do you have to clean your gun after every use or every day. That weld wood contact adhesive aint no joke. I think thats what they put the space shuttle together with! Good video as always, keep them coming please.
Hello Michael, I really like hearing about good news like that. I am glad you have a better understanding. Thank you so much and please keep watching!
Awesome video, great info.
I had my car vandalized with spray paint and paint from a can. I used mineral spirits and removed 99% of it. I was shocked at how good it worked with ZERO damage to my car. Even the rubber trim that was sun beaten and faded…took nearly all of that off. That was the only place with a hint of the vandals work. I imagine the vandals were shocked because by the time the sun came up, my car was sparkly clean. Not only did i remove all the vandal’s work, but I cleaned and washed/waxed the vehicle right after. Mineral Spirits are no joke, saved me for sure.
Hello Todd, Thank you so much! Wow! That is good news! I am so glad you had the wonderful experience of how well mineral spirits works! Please keep watching!
I'm about to replace the headliner of my 2003 Corvette which is a simple job because can remove the top, turn it upside down on my table (on top of towels for padding so the paint won't get scratched), and go to work. I've never done this before but it seems easy because there is not much headliner there. Amazingly I was just about to order Super 77 but then this excellent video just appeared in the nick of time! Thank you!
Looking online, I see that DAP WeldWood comes in not only 1 and 5 gallon cans but I only need several ounces to coat both sides. Luckily there is a new option: "DAP Weldwood Landau Top & Trim HHR Solvent Type Spray Contact Adhesive" in a light blue and black 14 ounce spray can. The can has the same colors we see on your 5 gallon drum containing this same product.
One product reviewer wrote that the spray comes out lumpy and that can be felt through the headliner. Another product reviewer described how he sprays the product into a small container then paints it onto his project using a brush. Care to comment?
I live in Florida where the heat in unbearable half the year. So thank you again for explaining the benefit of this superior product.
Hello Just, I have never used the spray can version. Usually, if someone asks, and they do not have a spray gun, I will tell them that they can always use a brush. Really, I only use contact adhesive for everything I do. Please keep liking and watching!
I agree. i learned the hard way. I used 3M adhesive on a headliner once and it failed. Thanks for posting!
Hello G, You are so welcome! Yep, that's what happenes... Please keep watching!
I started with the 3 and it just makes a gum-pucky mess of everything! I have however been affraid of spray guns getting clogged etc. I feel much better now about giving it a go, I am doing a 56 Chev Bel Air seat in Suede right now and I knew 3 would be a failure but wasnt sure which direction to go, thank you for sharing your years of experience :D I appreciate you for doing this video!
Hello Lori, Go boldly now with confidence! Cool '56 Chevy! Please keep watching!
Super good information, I haven't been impressed with super 77 but I use contact adhesive in leatherworking all the time and I feel very confident in it
Hello Unistar, Thank you so much! I love contact adhesive! Keep my customers happy! Please keep watching!
You got it. The 3m spray works if you can keep things cool. Heat makes it wimp out, like the heat found in cars. I use to use it when I recovered my pool tables, and it would stay hard and strong over years and then have to rip the old felt off the slate. In a vehicle it was crap and with heat it would turn loose. Barge is another excellent contact adhesive, and I used it to glue new rubber pool bumpers to the wood that mounted the bumpers to the sides of the table after reclothing them as well.
Hello Free, Thank you so much for the contribution! Thanks for watching!
I do agree with you as I have had problems with the spray can adhesive. You mentioned that it does not hold good. That is a fact even the hot sun will loosen it.. I,m not a trimmer but I enjoy your videos
Hello Neil, I totally agree with you, Hot sun in the summertime just kills the spray can glue. Thank you so much for watching!
Thank you for sharing this. As an automotive hobbyist,finding a decent adhesive hasn’t been easy and I’ve never like any of the ones I’ve used. Trying to get free information from local upholstery shops has gone nowhere. So again, thank you.
Ps-great sense of humor no pants 😆
Hello Orange, You are so welcome! I really appreciate ya! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the vid. I always wondered if you had to clean out the gun every time or not.
Hello Sugar K, You are so welcome! I am so glad you have a new understanding about contact adhesive. Please keep watching!
The opening humor had me literally laughing out loud!
Hello Foes, Thank you so much! I really appreciate it. Please keep liking and watching!
Your video is much appreciated. I am in the process of building a urethane foam body for a 3-wheel car and need to consider edge bonding the panels together before glassing. Incidentally, I have used 3-M adhesive to replace a 15 year old cloth headliner in one of my vehicles. 12 years later it was still firmly in place. I thank you for your advice.
Hello Robert, You are so welcome. I tried gluing the urethane panels together for a fiberglass plug with the 3 men. But it fell apart. I ended up using a good wood glue. Just sayin'. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you so much for sharing your vast years of experience and know how with us. I'm taking you advice way over some wannabe with 2 months experience! LOL!
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Thanks for your tips and tricks. I have an MGB to restore and I will use one of those kits. My chances of a nice looking job are increasing with your advice!
Hello Keith, You are so welcome! I think you will do just fine with your MGB. Thanks for hanging in there with me, Please keep liking and watching!
Yep! I did auto upholstery installs only(no sewing, someone else made the seat cover kits)for about 4-5 years for a company that replaced the cheap interiors in mini trucks like Datsun, Dodge d50's and some Toyota's back in the late '70's. Never used a rattle can of adhesive, and the back area of a Datsun King Cab had to be carpeted up to the door panel line that was to be glued in, oh yeah the door panels. I think they hired me because all I did was vinyl tops back then. A place in Portland OR called Perfect-Fit McDonald Co. sold 5 gallons of glue for about 45 bucks. Different brands came and went, I recall green and even a red color glue but mostly a beige color glue. I used a Graco 2.5 gallon pressure pot and never cleaned anything but the Binks gun nozzle. Later when I opened a auto body and paint shop I had a headliner in a '82 Zed 28 Camaro to replace and used a 3M rattle can but it all came loose and I had to buy a cheap gun and a qt can of general purpose contact cement to fix the headliner.
Hello Cliff, it sounds like you lived my life back in the 70's and 80's! I had many of the same experiences! Thanks for watching!
If it's not broken don't fix it!! That is all I ever used when I had my upholstery shop for 18 years. From the smallest to the biggest jobs. I agree with you 100%.
Hello Jack, Yep, we learn from our mistakes. We use what works. Thanks for watching!
I have to thank you! I wasn’t looking for that information but now I know why gluing a failing headliner was never a permanent repair. I thought it might be the foam on the back of the fabric that was deteriorating. Now I know! Thanks!
Hello Dean, you are so welcome! Yes, it's the foam, the foam... Hehe Please keep liking and watching!
It IS the foam backing that deteriorates. The glue is nearly always still on the headliner panel, that the material is glued onto.
It's important to prep the surface and use adequate amount of glue to make a positive bond.
Use too little and the foambacked fabric will be reaching down and letting you know, if you didn't do it right.😁☕
@@invisibilianone6288 Hello Invisi, Yep, you got that right! Please keep liking and watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery I like all the 67 to 72 GMC & Chevy trucks, in the background,
on this video😎☕
@@invisibilianone6288 Hello Invisi, Oh, yea. I have done many of those over the decades. You can see more on my website under truck seats. Rudolphsupholstery.com Please keep liking and watching!
I made a console for my 64 Galaxie and used the 3 men spray and the vinyl fell off in about 3 months. I own Crystal Bear Leather works and use wood weld on leather its always done a great job for me
Hello Mike, Sometimes we learn the hard way right? If you work with leather, you will know what's right. Please keep watching!
Perfect for welding plastic bags or tarps or dropsheets or foam sheets to lasting results.
3M is the savage beast!
Hello True, I am glad to hear that your experiences are positive. Not my experience. Super 77 melts Styrofoam sheets. Please keep liking and watching!
Your not pissing me off I've had a headliner fail with 77 not again
Hello Sartorst, What pisses me off is young "Experts" giving bad information. recommending this stuff. Thanks for watching!
So practical, sharing openly.Thanks!
Hello John, You are so welcome! Thank you very much! Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you so much I'll use it this week end for my headliner!
Hello Jay, if your just doing a repair, use a brush as air pressure will pull the rest of your headliner down. By all means, use the spray gun if your replacing all the material on your headliner. Thanks for watching!
35 years as a qualified motor trimmer in Australia and you are 💯 correct..
Hello Australia Jason, I totally agree with you! Please keep watching!
What would you recommend for a DIY adhesive for roof lining available in Australia? Thanks.
Ty I'll try Weldwood. I used the 77 things do come apart.
Hello Nec, That is how we learn not to do it again. We have to make the mistakes first or just to take the advise of unexperienced experts! Please keep liking and watching!
That answers the questions I have had for a long time! Thanks!
Hello Tom, I am glad to hear I may have helped you understand. You are so welcome! Please keep watching!
I used the the spray can from 3M for my convertible top and it held pretty good. It was recommended to me by a professional installer who was nice enough to give me a few tips and encouraged me to do the job myself which I did.This was before You Tube
Hello Alonzo, It sounds like you recommend the spray can adhesive? I can see that you like it. Please keep watching!
Thank you Mr Old School, just what I was looking for. Please keep making your very helpful videos.
Hello Just, You are so welcome! I hope these videos on my channel can be helpful for you. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you for this vid. Every time I have used 3 men spray adhesive it comes apart......I thought I was using it wrong
Hello Ps, You are so welcome! Not you, it's the glue... 3 Men has been getting rich from an inferior product for a very, very long time. Please keep liking and watching!
Rudolph, very interesting and informative, I'm not in the business nor need to fix a seat, but I thought the subject matter seemed very interesting, and it was. Thanks for taking the time to put this video together. It I need any ideas I now know where to go! I did watch your video on Glue and I also found that informative as well, thanks again.
Hello Riderhard, Thank you so much for all the kind words! Feel free to see my other videos, I'd really appreciate it. Please keep watching!
Bless you brother, please keep the content coming !
Thank you brother Otto, I really appreciate it. Please keep watching!
You are absolutely correct, good video 👍👍
Hello Ripstitch, Thank you so much for watching! I really appreciate it!
I think that's what most all the pros use I have used contact adhesive it is good stuff
Hello James, You got that right! Please keep liking and watching!
Exactly what I needed to know. Straight on point no BS, thank you very much.
Hello Ta, You are so welcome! I am glad you see it my way. Please keep liking and watching!
I appreciate the info. I have to do my Mustang door this weekend. I almost bought the 3M. Glad I watched this video first.
Hello Warbak, I am so happy that you got to see this video. I think you will do just fine with your Mustang door. Just be sure to clean the old adhesive off as much as you can with mineral spirits before you use the new contact adhesive. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you I learned something.
Hello Luke, You are so welcome! I hope you can take this with you always! Please keep watching!
Thanks for the suggestion! I've been using the stuff in the spray can, but I only use it for hobby level projects. Thankfully I've never had a problem with it failing. But it's expensive in spray cans, and I'm happy to learn that its cheaper and just as easy to use from bulk containers. I'll dedicate an old spray gun and give it a try!
Hello Ted, you are so welcome! Yes, I think you have the right idea! Please keep watching!
I started doing vinyl tops in the mid eighties and used the same thing!!!
Hello Glassman, The 70's and 80's were the golden age of vinyl tops! French tuck rear windows, 1/4 top, 1/2 top, French seams, 40" deck double seam or single seam tops right? Thanks for watching!
Wow, those 5 gallon cans are expensive. But, I can see that it is much cheaper than buying it by the gallon.
And it is better to use the best product the first time.
I have never done upholstery work, but it sure is enjoyable watching you make everything look like new again.
Thanks !
Hello Ron, You are right about the high cost. I remember many years ago paying $40 now it's $120. Thank you so much for your kind words! Please keep watching!
@@mangajack Hello Australia Tony, Things just get more expensive, I agree. Please keep watching!
Thank you great video is there a hobby or a craft level of this product
Hello Craig, You are so welcome! This contact adhesive I believe is meant more for commercial use. Please keep watching!
Hi great channel!!!, i was wondering why you use and old syphon spray gun? do the work best than gravity? and didnt say the tip size
Hello Wilson, A syphon spray gun is what's worked for me for 43 years. Easy to set on top of a table while working and not top heavy like a gravity fed gun. Easier on the wrist. I never worried about tip size. Remember it's not rocket science. Please keep liking and watching!
Save me trouble, thank you!
Hello Dave, Glad to help! Please keep watching!
Landou top glue! Awsome stuff
Hello Alfonso, I totally agree! I love the Landau top glue! Thanks for watching!
Again a great video. My son found out.(what's daddy know) Well he'll do it right the next time.
Hello Anthony, Yep, a learning experience! Please keep watching!
Thanks for the information, you have been a big help! Just curious what size tip you use in your gun? Thanks again.
Hello W Rum, I dunno... I just bought the cheap Harbor Freight gun and use it. Thank you so much! Please keep watching!
Thank you for your knowledgable input. I've always trusted the contact adhesive too but was afraid to spray it. After watching this video I think I'll give spraying a try. What size tip do you recommend ? Do you use an HVLP style or Old School gun? What pressure do you recommend at the gun? Thx in advance, KW.
Hello Gonk, You are so welcome! I just use a standard Harbor Freight $27 spray gun. Usually sprays anywhere from 25-75 psi. Please keep liking and watching!
Yes I use the 3 men 90, and it works okay but as you said it is not reliable and can fail in the hot humid weather.
Hello Dew, Yep, you are right, So many have had that same experience! Thanks for watching!
That’s why it’s been failing on my boat then…..
Thanks. Until now 3-M brand adhesive spray has the best comparison tests. I have a headliner that is beginning to detach at the windshield. Weldwood Landou may be more reliable but I don’t need a 5gl drum of solvent nor do I have a spray gun😅. I do see that Amazon carries a 14oz spray can of the stuff so I will be giving this a try after all. Thanks for posting the video. 👍
Hello Patt, I have seen quart cans of contact adhesive and paint brushes at the big box stores... Just sayin'. Hehe Please keep liking and watching!
Thanks for the information. Good stuff, unfortunately for a small diy where it may be a small door panel or piece of carpet ungluing the spray can worked fine. I don't have a lot of space or ancompressor as I'm sure many dont so the can is probably what you have access to. I used both the orange can and the 3m, I found the spray pattern was better on the 3m. It also felt a bit better than the orange can, just a tiny bit though. Both seem to work for small parts where I used them.
Hello My, You are welcome. Being that I have paying customers and a really good reputation, I would never use any glue from a spray can. The least a person can do is buy a quart of contact adhesive and apply with a brush. The spray can stuff will fail over time where the contact adhesive will not. Please keep liking and watching!
I'm 100% in agreement! I've tried many different brands of can spray adhesive and they all eventually fail. My last and final project I tried with 3M spray was on speaker cabinets veneered with Mahogany. within a day the veneer started lifting, it was a total disaster, and I wasted expensive veneer. Weldwood contact is the best, period. Once bonded, it strays stuck forever.
Hello John, Sometimes we need to learn the hard way, I know I did. By the way, I totally agree with you! Please keep watching!
Excellent....thank you!
Hello Esroot, Thank you very much! I really appreciate it! Please keep liking and watching!
My brother and I used to work at a T-shirt printer, we used three men as temporary adhesive all the shirts on the printing wheels
Hi Only, I can see how it would work on that. Please keep watching!
So, for the one small repair (actually a modification) I have to do, I will buy a compressor, spray gun, and a 5 gallon can of adhesive? Now, honestly I have the compressor, and the spray gun, as well as a good assortment of professional grade tools. But I won't be going into the upholstery business. So, what non-commercial, non-industrial, easily available in small amounts adhesive should I use? The bond is temporary and will be ultimately held with rivets. One small part of a "high-end" leather upholstered Harley seat is all I need to do. So, what should I use? I already know what I am using, but I ran into your video and figured I would ask. I went and watched some of your other videos. Great stuff. Good work. Oh, my modification? I am cutting the nose off the pan of a seat made for an old Electra Glide to shorten it for use on a Street Glide. Just pulling back a few inches of the nose leather and shortening the pan and foam, then putting the leather back.
Hello Fernando, You got it right. Just pick up some contact adhesive from the big box store and use a brush. Easy.. Hehe Please keep liking and watching!
Does the adhesive set up in the jar of the gun? If so, how quickly?
Hello Max, If it is a hot summer, it might last a month. If the cup is almost empty, a week. Thanks for watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery Thank you for taking the time to reply.
@@jaegeen Sure, no problem, you are welcome! Please keep watching!
Thank you so much for your lesson(s) and thorough explanations! Great job - very informative and helpful.
Hello Lamblion, You are so welcome! I really appreciate all the kind words! Please keep watching!
Very interesting video, thank you. I might have missed something somewhere but what size spraygun cap/needle do you use, !.3, 1.4, 1.8 or maybe a 2.2? Thank you again for the video.
Hello Andy, You are so welcome! Thank you so much for saying so. I just use a cheapo Harbor Freight spray gun with the stock tip that it comes with. not rocket science, Hehe. Please keep liking and watching!
Thanks for the video! Weldwood has a spray aerosol can as well, have you tried this? Might be the answer for people who have small projects. Another question, when using mineral spirits to remove old adhesive, will remaining mineral spirits film cause adhesian issues? What can be used to remove any remaining film? Also, this stuff has a VERY STRONG ODOR, use in a very well ventilated area. I bought a very small can at home big box store. I found that it's pretty potent and will destroy cheap (practice) vinyl. Thanks again for the video!
HELLO 134ziNG4, You are so welcome! I didn't know about the aerosol can. After the mineral spirits have dried, I never think about any film. You can apply it over dried mineral spirits, but I would not re-apply it over wet mineral spirits. I have never had any problem doing it this way. Thanks for the awesome comment! Please keep watching!
First time viewer very informative, but I have to ask what size of nozzle is on the gun? As of now I'm tossing the cans. Thank you for the psa.
Hello Luc, You are so welcome! I am so glad that your here. Sorry to say that I do not know the size of the spray nozzle. It is a stock cheapo spray gun from Harbor Freight. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you
Hello Michael, You are so welcome! Please keep liking and watching!
You are absolutely right. The 3M adhesive is for paper; however, the Gorilla works way better. Unfortunately you can't get the good stuff in CA any more.
Hello Fred, So I hear. It really is a thing isn't it? Please keep liking and watching!
You can't. Even get mineral spirits in Comifornia.
@@ke6bnl Hello Ke, Texas freedom awaits you. Hehe.
I'm learning from my mistakes and used spray glue once at my c10 pickup headliner I put vinyl fabric and after three months started peeling I was very frustrated because I worked all day to do that and re do it again but I used contact glue this time and very different.
Spray glue sucks 😆😆
Hello Pedro, I always say that learning is doing! I am so happy to hear about your success. Please keep liking and watching!
The driver's side foam has collapsed in my '88 Chevy pickup (bench seat). The cloth upholstery and passenger side foam are perfect. Would you do an episode on how to repair collapsed foam? Thanks.
Hello Max, There is foam repair in this video: ruclips.net/video/dODSTA6C0m8/видео.html Please keep watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery Thank you, my friend! I had already seen that one. I'm dealing with a larger area and the foam is collapsed, not torn.
@@maxironpaw Hello Max, the process is all the same, take out what's bad and replace it with new foam, or supplement the foam you have now. Thanks for watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery Thanks!
@@jaegeen You are so welcome! Please keep watching!
Thanks!
Hello LeAnn, I really appreciate the support! Thank you so much! Please keep watching!
Thank you for the insight and recommendation, Rudolfo! BTW - looking sharp in that shirt!
Hello Romeo, You are so welcome! Yea, didn't have to wear my work uniform for this one. Please keep watching!
Will do! Take care
Thanks, which tip is this? I am keeping them organized.😂😂😂
Hello SM, You are right, no techniques in this video. But the to is to stay away from spray can adhesives. Please keep watching!
Thanks so much for giving away your pro advice brotha👊! Keep up the Kick@ss videos!
Hello Brotha JB, You are so welcome! Thank you so much! Please keep watching!
Great video, is it good for XPS to steel, I was going to get 3m77 but not to sure now.
Hello Golffe, Extruded polystyrene foam (XPS) insulation can be safely applied directly on a steel deck with contact adhesive only with a thermal barrier. Without it the glue will eat the foam. Please keep liking and watching!
3 Men makes a high temp that is a 'little' better than the 77 counter part, but yes, the weldwood is the stuff to use.
Hello Greg's, Thanks for letting us know about your experience! Please keep watching!
Mr. Rudolph,
Thanks so much for all your information. Question is can I use a brush to spread this adhesive instead of spray?
Hello Massoud, You are so welcome! Oh, yes you can use a brush for contact cement, absolutely! Please keep liking and watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery Thank you so so so much
I did use the spray, it was waste of money and time
Thanks so much for your videos, I love them
@@massoudzadeh3394 Hello Massoud, Yep, you are so welcome! Well, that is how we learn is by doing. Please keep liking and watching!
Years ago my daughter and her girlfriend were driving around in this VW bug with the headliner on their heads!! So I pulled one side open to get my arm in there, sprayed it with some spray contact cement wasn’t three m. Worked still to this day three years!! Maybe a fluk ?
Hello Gill, You are a magician? Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the informative video, much appreciated.
I’m about to attach fabric backed foam to fiberglass headliner (fabric facing fiberglass) and then attaching vinyl to the foam on a ‘66 Thunderbird Landau. I’ve had awful luck with 3 mmmmm 🤔.
How does this product hold up to heat? Oh…and what’s the cure time. I’ll leave the headliner off the car for a year. If I have to. I don’t wanna have to do this a fourth time. 😂
Hello Scott, I had a 66 T-bird 428 Town Landau many years ago. Seen here: www.rudolphsupholstery.com/rudolphs-3 Contact adhesive is all I use on everything. I give my cure 24 hours. Vinyl is tricky in the curves. I'm sure you will do just fine. Please keep liking and watching!
Thanks for sharing this. What tip size and psi do you use when spraying this adhesive?
Hello J, Don't know the tip size, I use a stock cheapo Harbor Freight spray gun at 35-80 psi. to spray contact adhesive. Thanks for watching!
Thanks. I just tried this for the first time today. The gun was kind of spitting globs. I was wondering about the gun pressure. I had to read about a hundred comments to get to this one that had the pressure that you use. I guess I will just spend some time dialing in the gun. Then more time practicing sewing a straight line. Thanks so much for your videos. I feel like you have be come a friend of mine.@@oldschoolautoupholstery
@@fredpierce9363 Hello Fred, My friend. I usually use at least 35 psi or more at the spray gun. I adjust the fan to be as small as I can get and increased the material knob. One trick is to hold your finger at the tip opening and squeeze the trigger. This pressurizes the cup and pushes out the glue. Try it, you might like it! Please keep liking and watching!
Great video, I'm changing a 2011 Ford police interceptor headliner , and just some of the edges are coming out from the new one. I don't have spraygun. Can this be applied with a brush. Thanks
Hello Mr, Thank you so much for saying so! Yes, the contact adhesive can be spread by a brush. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank you for the awesome video, and saving me from buying the dreaded can of 90. Can you please tell me what brand of gun(s) I should be looking at, for a home diyer? Tyvm
Hello Damned, You are so welcome! I just use the cheap harbor freight spray gun. Or you can just use a brush. Thanks for watching!
Is a 1.7mm tip big enough to spray the DAP adhesive, or should it be larger? Thx again.
@@damnedin82 Hello Damned, It's not rocket science, I just use the stock tip that comes with the HF spray gun. Please keep watching!
OSAUT, I think you'll agree, there is no universal adhesive, the application determines what adhesive to use, some adhesives may have several applications. There is ALWAYS a cost to convenience.
Hello John, That may be the case for some people. I however, only use contact adhesive for my upholstery. I never have any "Come Backs" Thanks for watching!
I've been doing some research to replace my headliner and I can remember this being used in my dad's shop back in the day restoring cars. I'm sure it hasn't changed much because it still looks pretty toxic. Is there a product that will work for daily driver that is fairly safe that you know of? Even if it only lasts 5 years I don't care, have to compromise. I am out in Colorado and Utah so it gets scorching hot. I'm also going to put some Kilmat on the roof to keep the heat and noise out while I'm replacing the headliner.
Hello Detroit, I have to say that I can ONLY recommend contact adhesive by spray gun or even by brush. But I think by brush will be more difficult. Please keep liking and watching!
My big problem isn't the adhesive, but the laminated foam/cloth of head liners etc. The part that I or the factory glues on stays, but the laminate or what ever you want to call it splits in the middle. Doesn't matter how well glued it is!!
Hello Duncan, Are you talking about the degrading headliner foam as it ages? Please keep liking and watching!
Hello Rudy,
Is Contact Cement, the sane as Contact Adhesive?
Thanks in advance.
Hello Roller, Well, I don't know as for 43 years I have only used Contact adhesive for everything. Please keep liking and watching!
I know Super 77 is not good for that application by reading the spec sheet. Figured that out years ago. It's a good product when used for the correct application but I don't use it for automotive projects, especially upholstery and headliners.
Hello Slick, Or anywhere there is heat. Please keep liking and watching!
Another observation about 3 emm.. Recently they reduced the size of the can from 16 ounces to 13.6 (maybe .7) oz and increased the price at the same time.
I use it for making stencils.. and true, it eventually peels.
Hello Jeff, So true, So true... Thanks for watching!
Just some FYI reference the "spray-gun" shown in this video, i.e., a Chinesium: low grade, cheap spray gun. Is a nock-off of the Bink's model "7," syphon spray gun. Another spray-gun used in the Autobody trade was a "DeVilbiss" spray-gun. Who's design was used for any year's in the Autobody world for many year's before the Japanese spray guns (Sharpe's) started to enter the market approx. early 1980's, if I'm not mistaken. If I'm wrong, oh well I might be a little off on the date. As a old and retired Autobody guy, that's all I ever seen in upholstery shop's, were spray gun setup's. Some of the shops used two quarts spray-pot's or even three gallon spray-pot's. (you get to where your putting on two or three vinyl tops a week, this is what your gonna need.) But never as we called them "Spray-Bomb's," i.e., spray-cans from some bull-shite company that sounds like 3-men. As someone who has personally removed a lot of automotive vinyl tops, to save some money so the upholstery shop didn't have to, the one thing I always notice about factory vinyl tops, was the uniform coverage, and appearance of the glue, i.e. it was always sprayed on via a spray-gun.
Hello Stanwood, You are 100% correct in your recollections! I used them all through the years. Glue pots, then DeVelbiss, then Sharpes. Then I discovered the Harbor Freight. Now I buy a $27 HF spray gun every two or so years. Hard to argue that one.... I have done hundreds of vinyl tops, mostly in the 70's, 80's and 90's. Thanks for bringing back some memories! Please keep watching!
Hi Mr. Rudy, I have a question about the 3M. Is the High Strength 90 suitable to use for seat foam and headliners? It's different than the Super 77 but I've never used it for upholstery before. The 90 says "heat resistant" and "contact adhesive" on the label. Thanks for your videos and thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Hello Mitch, You are so welcome! I have seen other peoples messes with High Strength 90. I will never use it. I want to keep a good reputation with my paying customers. For 43 years I have stayed with what I know works without fail. I never have something I need to Redo. Please keep liking and watching!
Does the weld wood go bad ? I have some but it’s out of date.
Hello Donald, Just check the consistency. should run like syrup. It could get too thick if in extreme temperatures or very old. Thanks for watching!
Go ahead and piss them off Rudy. Another great video.
Hello Steve, Yea, let's go for it! Thanks for watching!
Awesome video Sir, heck I might even try that stuff on a sock monkey LOL. Thanks for sharing
Hello Paul, Thank you so much! It does work on sock monkeys too! Please keep watching!
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, tips, experiences! At 40+ years young I’m thinking to learn the upholstery craft particularly for boats! Seems like a niche in the market to be had here and I don’t see myself retiring anytime soon. Does this adhesive work well for boat seat and marine applications? Much thanks for your time and the treasure cove of knowledge you share with us!
Hello Outdoors, You are so welcome! Doing boat upholstery is a great way to make income in our latter years. You can charge more for boat upholstery than you can for auto upholstery. When you get good at it with a good reputation, the money will flow. I only use contact adhesive for everything. Please keep liking and watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery very thankful for your response and that is great news to hear! In the past I have done custom leather work to sell and while I had success with it selling all over the USA the amount of time that I invested in each piece , money made after labor involved was not much. I’m thinking I will enjoy doing boat upholstery and it will be prosperous! and you are helping me along the way. Thank you!
@@outdoorsadrenaline Hello Outdoors, I'm so glad to help! I think you will do just fine doing upholstery. I don't do many full interior restorations anymore because of the time it takes. I much rather do the quick high-paying jobs, get 'em in and out. Gotta keep the money river flowing right? Please keep liking and watching!
Agree 100% !!!
Hello Martin, Yep, yep! Thanks for watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery Thank you for the honest and informative videos!
Have you tried the aerosol version of the DAP? Thanks for the tips!
Hello Earl T, I have not. Didn't even know about it. Thank you for the contribution! Please keep watching!
Good job brother. 👍✌️💙🏇🏇🏇
Hello brother Javier, Thank you so much! I really appreciate it! Please keep watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery can I used that and spray the ceiling in the inside of my van? It's beginning to sag. ✌️💙🏇🏇🏇
@@Hobojay Hello Javier, The reason your headliner is failing is because of the foam that separates from the fabric. Any air pressure from a glue gun will blow apart whats left of your headliner. I think it is just time for a new headliner. At least that is what I would do. Thanks for watching!
If I had regular foam without the scrim material, could I just glue some cotton or polyester material to the back side of the foam so the bottom thread wouldn't pull through the foam? Or is that even necessary? Could I just sew it without scrim fabric? The foam I would be using is 1/4" to 1" thick. Thanks.
Hello Big, You could back your old foam if you want, but it is 2023. You can buy backed foam. Unbacked foam friction will drag on the sewing machine very badly. Just get the right stuff, and you will be ok. Please keep liking and watching!
@@oldschoolautoupholstery Its tough to get stuff locally. I ordered some foam, but it didn't have the scrim fabric on it. I thought if I needed it, I could glue some fabric onto it. Would that work okay, or not bother, or try and find some other foam with backing?
@@bigfranksworld Hello Big, Since you already have the foam, you might as well use it. You can add a thin backing to it. I did that decades ago. Please keep liking and watching!
Thank You for your advice. I plan on using the contact cement to adhere foam to the felt underlay. I hope it works for that application. Another question. How long will the product last when in the sprayer without hardening?
Hello Jon, You are welcome! Contact adhesive will work. The glue getting hard depends on the temperature. It will last longer in the cup if it is cooler outside, maybe a month. With very hot temps, maybe a week. Please keep liking and watching!