The Forgotten Story of Magnus Hirschfeld: Trans History
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Timestamps
Intro: 0:00
Magnus Hirschfeld: 2:32
The Institute: 17:01
The Destruction of the Institure: 25:05
Eugenics: 30:31
Hirschfeld's Theories: 36:43
Medicalisation: 45:26
Final Words: 54:09
Outro: 56:58 
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sorry for asking but what are your pronouns? cause i want to make a comment about the reasons i enjoy this video and well ya know....don't want to miss gender you
@@lieutenantlolo6027 they/them! (but i dont care if people call me he)
Hey Moe, quick question, why do you hate Butterfield?
So, no mention of the p3do books in the school?
this is cringe and your name is even more cringe.
Just wanted to thank you in the comments real fast. Your videos changed my mind on transmedicalisim a while ago and inspired me to do my own research. After learning much more on my own I gained a way more accepting view of everything lgbt involved and realized I am trans!
So thank you for starting me on that journey unknowingly!
Thank you so much! Comments like this truly mean the world to me. i sent you big love
I second this so hard, Moe's content helped me get my head out of the transmed gutter like nothing else and I'm forever grateful
Internalized transmedicalism was my last and greatest obstacle to realizing I'm trans. I had thought I was helping my trans friend by white knighting for him, and I assumed there was no way I could ever be trans myself because, "I was never diagnosed." I had to learn the hard way, that's not how it works, and only you can truly know what's going on inside your own mind. It's not up to someone else to come in from the outside and dictate who you are.
You don't think it's a little suss you suddenly realize you're also trans while watching people who say they're trans explain how trans doesn't really mean anything in specific? If you're troubled, you believe in all this, you watch people you admire say a lot of words that make you feel included in their delusions, of course you'll suddenly say oh wow I'm trans too! Yay now if that's why my life is this way all I have to do is pretend I'm not me! Problem solved! And no hormones or surgery necessary! And you get all the perks of being able to be someone who knows most on the topic because of your lived experience, so you can tell people everything they do is wrong and educate them, and you get to dictate others use of language, and be the most oppressed, having a self fulfilling prophecy of persecution play out on the daily which you can attribute to transphobia instead of any abhorrent behavior sourced from cluster B traits you don't address.....
How about maybe you're not trans, maybe nobody is and some are dysphoric and require therapy to accept their body and some need a hobby and to get off social media?
@@sometimesawful I have had dysphoria and known I was trans since I was five years old. I was exposed to a shit ton of transphobic ideals so I blocked off all of the feelings I had thinking I was sick in the head. I almost ended it all because I thought I was sick in the head and therefore no one would care if I was gone. Moe and several other creators helped me out of a VERY dark place in life and made me realize me being trans is not a problem. If ignoring all thoughts that I might be trans and presenting as a guy led me to that point, I think its safe to say I have made the right choice now.
love your hair! Can't wait to learn more about Trans history.
I have found that when you look closely at the most beloved historical figures, almost all have expressed ideas or beliefs, or have taken actions that many of us today would find offensive or misguided.
My issue is when we mock the forward thinkers of the past for their wrong or even problematic ideas. Moe was pretty disparaging of the idea of menstrual blood in the urine of gay men. It seems ridiculous to us now but someone had to prove that gay men weren't "partial women" or intersex as we call it now. Someone had to prove that sexual orientation was different than gender or sex.
Why is it okay to be disparaging or superior to early scientists in just about any field, especially when the work they do forwards the understanding of the field?
Yeah, eugenics sucked but it's a valid (if incorrect) scientific hypothesis. What makes it so bad and unethical (as opposed to just wrong) is how it was used politically and socially. Phrenology was a reasonable (if wrong) hypothesis that was also used horribly. I don't think it's fair to hold early scientific adopters of a poorly understood theory accountable for how that science is used years or decades later by political entities.
Seriously! Even Hellen Keller believed in eugenics 😩
We have to face figures of revolutionary importance as they were, both criticizing & endorsing them on a case-by-case basis.
Thanks Moe! Learning about this was fascinating. And hearing about what that man on his university class had to go through, being dehumanized to THAT extent, completely broke me (literally, and with no exaggerations). But overall, knowing about our own history is so incredibly important. Thank you Moe, once again. Much love from Latin America.
As a jewish trans person thank you truly. I've met many rabbis who had no idea who he was. His incredible work was erased from my own community and it's so important for folks to share the history of his work.
I'm German and never learned about him in school, nor in any museum. We weren't even taught that gay, lesbian, trans, disabled people and people of color were persecuted and sent to prisons and camps. We were only taught that jews and enemies of the system were victims... and maybe the Sinti and Roma. It's so frustrating that these victims of such an inhumane regime were just left out to keep the heteronormative status quo at all costs. Thank goodness we have the internet to get access to parts of history that are systematically suppressed.
I learned about Magnus Hirschfeld on wikipedia when I was in grade 8 and when I told my teacher about it he said "that didn't happen" so I figured I misremembered. 🙃
That is aweful... being ignorant is one thing but to refuse to even try and look it up? Unforgiveable
During sex ed, I got told that intersex people did not exist 😭 the fact that they can say that and get away with it is disgusting
Get help
This is a really beautiful video
ah thank you so much!
@@CopsHateMoe Ooh wee mama, endorsed by Jessie Gender? You've really made it in life! (I mean this with full sincerity, I hope it comes across that way)
Thanks for recommending this video Jessie
Why do you ppl love your p3d0 heroes so much? Money, Kinsly, and this guy.
Why does it not surprise me that gave the world the first gender identity clinic was into eugenics and population control. No wonder he pushed transsexualism and homosexuality and prescribed hormones to kill the reproducton of these peoples. Now look at what his legacy has led to today. Now we have puberty blockers and gender clinics for kids stealing them of the oppertunity to have kids and a family of their own. Hirschfield has done so much damage to humanity. Why cant just let gay people be gay and gender varient people be themselves without trying to change them with these hormonal drugs. Hirschfeld clearly had an agenda.
As a disabled person I very much appreciate the appropriate focus on the mention of eugenics and bringing some awareness to ableism. Still a beautiful video on trans history as well, just appreciate the lack of sweeping that under the rug
Some time after I came out to my parents, my mom told me about a radio show she'd been listening to about queer music history. My dad managed to download it and give it to me as a gift, and it was crazy good. It was in German (because we're German) and I learned so much in it, not just about music but about all kinds of queer art and queer history in general. That's how I learned about Magnus Hirschfeld. This video kind of felt like an extension of that, and that's a really high compliment because the radio show was fantastic.
wo findet man diese radio sendung? :)
@@forfoxsake__ Oooh ich weiß leider nicht mehr ob man die online noch finden kann. Das war SWR2 Musikstunde (ich glaub Teil von so einer ARD Themenwoche "Toleranz"?). Katharina Eickhoff hat das gemacht, die sehr gut ist mit solchen Sendungen, und es nannte sich "Andersrum".
Aber das ist Jahre her und meistens sind solche Sachen von Radiosendern ja immer nur für einen begrenzten Zeitraum noch aufzutreiben.
@@baguettegott3409hab versucht, es zu finden, aber war anscheinend leider nicht mehr da. wirklich schade, ich hötte es echt gerne angehört
As bad as it was that it was illegal in any capacity to be gender non-conforming, it is really funny to literally have a permit to be trans like "sir I have a license to be trans"
I’m sure modern day American republicans would love us to need licenses to be trans
Literally you're literally butchering literally kids you schizophrenics
@@tattooninja Blah blah blah. The only butchering happening is to intersex kids who are abused by the same anti trans laws.
I've been using your past videos to educate my family on transmedicalism and why it's a problem so thank you for making these as it's made a huge impact on the way I and many others understand these topics
This has been such an excellent and informative video, thank you. I have been keeping my eyes open for content on this particular topic (trans/gender history, but especially as it relates to weimar, nazi germany, and Hirschfeld; partially as the coordinated attacks on transrights in the u.s. seem to share many commonalities), but such content appears to be a bit difficult to find. Thanks again.
thank you so much, i appreciate that a lot - im glad you found it informative
that haircut is rather epic and badass
Right? That's some sweetass hair, i wish i could get mine like that
27:35 is such a good visual for what your saying. the man (im assuming representing hirschfeld) not moving and seeming incoherent while you're saying how devastating the destruction was and then he's finally able to get himself up around the same time you mention how important his work was for today. bravo!
Very interesting! As a German, I had no idea that this scientist ever existed.
But in case you'd like to know, I can tell you how his name and that one book title would be pronounced in his native tounge.
The "i" in "Hirschfeld" should sound like the "i" in "hill" - and the "e" like that in "well".
And "Die Τransvestiten" would be like "dee transvesteet(a)n". (At least that's my personal best guess about how a native English speaker might try to write this phonetically)
I was actually thinking about writing a similar comment to yours. Seems like you beat me to it though
That was fascinating. I love your videos. I'm impressed by your knowledge, but more so your maturity in dealing with sensitive subjects. I'm older, and I just recently came to terms with being genderqueer. I don't know anyone who openly identifies as genderqueer, so I rely on you and others like you for information. Thank you very much for all your hard work. I wish you the best on your journey. 🙏 ❤️
ah thank you so much, i really appreciate that
Magnus Hirschfeld. What a legend. I don't even blame him for the eugenics because, at the time, I don't think anyone quite realised the problems with applying it to humans. (Side note, we still today apply it to various animals. We usually call it "breeding" but in some circles it's apparently still referred to as "eugenics", such as in hamster breeding.)
Also, the footage of the Nazis storming the institute and taking trophies has scary parallels to the Neo-Nazis storming the US capital... A lot of 1930s Germany is being echoed in current USA and it's terrifying.
😂😂😂😭😭😭😂😂😂
I wrote an essay on this guy for school a few months ago!
As a german, i find it so sad how much of our (important) lgbt history got lost. So I am so very thankfull for Videos like this one :))
Weimar Germany!!!
@@NefariousSpineLizard i mean, don't get me wrong, weimar germany wasn't great in many aspects. I wouldn't want it back. But the history is very interesting!
@@littlecousin8716 Oh, for sure! I just meant it's a very interesting, largely unknown part of history. Let's definitely not bring it back, though haha
Well… they didn’t burn his books without a reason.
Some things are sick
@@mrtrizzle3653 They burned his books because they were blinded by religious hatred, and not understanding.
This was probably my favourite video you've made. Very educational and I ended up learning a lot more about our queer history than I thought.🥰
thank you so much ! Really appreciate that!
33:21 To not praise him for something that should be basic by today's standards ignores the standards he was living in. Someone can be abhorrent by today's standards, but progressive af for their time, and I think we need to recognise that. We shouldn't excuse bad things because "Oh, that's just how the culture was back then," but we also shouldn't ignore what the culture was back then and how the people of that time related to it.
Edit: 34:00 Hey, I recognise his eugenic thoughts! They still live strong today within various (particularly heavily religious) groups. ._. At least Hirschfeld seems to phrase it as advice, but ultimately a person's individual choice. It doesn't actually sound anywhere near as bad as the lengths the Nazis went to with that.
Criticizing him for his eugenic beliefs is very correct. Society changes along with views however, criticizing regressive ideas is what progressive is.
One day i want to run a community center for minorities, this video will be included alongside many other resources for queer history. Thank you so much Moe 💛
Yoooooo looking forward to your commentary, glad to see a video! Hope yall have good days! 🍀🍀🍀
I always find it so upsetting to see the contrast between Berlin before and after Hitler's rise to power.
Thank you so much for making this!
Great video Moe! You always put a lot of effort into your videos. Well done
Wow you made such an incredible video. Nice work! I hope you’re doing well!
This is such a good video! I myself know fairly little about Hirschfeld himself, but a lot of his theories are built off of the writings of Karl Heinrich Ulrichs! Ulrichs was a queer lawyer doing activism in the 1860s the books "das Rätsel der Mann männlichen Liebe" are available to read on project Gutenberg (in German). Ulrichs articulated a lot of feelings that seem very transgender to a modern reader, describing her soul as female and writing about buying more traditionally feminine cloth to sew here vests from, describing a queer community with a lot of gender transgressions and publishing the letters and writings of other queer people at the time. Her theory was that there were multiple axis on which "gender" exists one being your body which could be male female or intersex in various ways, one the sexuality with a female sexuality meaning being attracted to men and a male sexuality meaning being attracted to women, though of course asexual and "double natured" people also wrote to her and she added them in to her theory! The last two axis were mannerisms and soul! I think mannerism would go a little further than gender expression goes today, as it takes into account more the characters of a person than just their dress and soul I think maps onto gender identity really well! Her writing is really interesting as she's first trying to dismantle Queer antagonistic attitudes especially in her letters, because there wasn't yet a law prohibiting gay sex but as Prussia took power she started to mainly focus on proving the natural nature of queerness because the law against it was worded as prohibiting unnatural sex and as she did this she developed her theories changing them with input from the community. She also wrote stories. Manor a gay vampire tragedy should be available online in English!
Yet another great video, Moe! Very well put together! Great job mate!
Incredible video! I’ve been trying to flesh out my understanding of queer and particularly trans history.
ah thanks!
Amazing video Moe. Definitely worth the wait, well done
Thank you!!
Can't believe I missed this! Thanks for putting this together! 🥳🥳
You are so engaging and soothing to watch. I always want to learn more about queer history, but it can be nerve-wracking considering how gruesome it can be. I truly appreciate that you don't dance around these subjects, but address them with respect and a subjective lens. It is a vital part of history, but it doesn't have to have a violent undertone. Boy do we have to deal with that enough already! Truly adore your content Moe!! :)
Wow, thanks for this, I knew about that doctor a little bit but not to this extent. Trans history is important!
Yoooo you’re so close to 100k subs! I’m not surprised, but I am impressed.
WOOO UR BACK
28:27 crying 😭, you did such a good job moe cant wait to finish the video!
literally got so happy when i saw you posted, ur def one of my fave content creators and this was such a well done video :)) (also, loving the hair!!) lots of love moe!
Yay another great video Moe. Keep being your wonderful self !
absolutely incredible video. no joke. very interesting hearing about this part of unknown/unspoken queer history!! great research too!! hope you're able to get your top surgery in the near future moe, sending vibes your way from south america 💕💛
hey moe!! i love your hair, it looks so cool!
omg i literally wrote my “facharbeit” (german, it’s a kind of research paper that u do for a specific school subject) for my history class about him
Ahhh so happy to see a moe upload
I really liked this video and wanted to take the time to leave a comment since you took so much time and care on the project.
Thank you for this dive into a rarely talked about part of our history. I feel you had a very even and critical take on both the man and the circumstances.
On an almost totally unrelated note, you look like a popular idol at a fancy interview for most of this video. The necklace with the suit was a lovely touch~
Fascinating video! Keep up the great work :)
Grateful for this video. Thank you for the fairly deep dive and for broadening my knowledge. 🙏♥️
This was a wonderful video. Thank you so much for all the research and work you out into it.
I just came across your channel for the first time! Love it, especially mini (or well, not so mini at about an hour long) documentaries like this. Myy only issues were the sound quality change at 2:36 after the intro - it was way better at the start, and the speaking did feel a bit on the slow side (but tbf I have adhd lol). Fairly minor things all around. Great presentation and use of clips etc. I hope to see your channel continue to grow, you definitely deserve it.
Thank you for this in-depth video!
Very well made video. So informative. I did learn alot. Nice hair style btw. :)
holyyy shit new moe upload
This video was amazing, and it couldn't come at a better time in my academic journey. Keep up the good work 😊
I know this is pretty off topic but just wanted to say I discovered you recently from one of your old Ren videos and you have a very soothing voice
The work definitely shows. This was an extremely beautiful video, and you did a good job both highlighting the revolutionary nature of much of Herschfeld’s work without painting him as this inhuman savior immune to mistakes and prejudices. Excellent job!
I’m late to the party but excited for another video!
i am so excited to watch this. i’ve always wanted to learn more about magnus hirschfeld
thank you! i hope you enjoy :)
okay first off, amazing video, but much more importantly, you hair looks awesome!!
Thank you for your great and important work!❤
Thank you so much! This must've taken you so much work.
I'm very impressed at the depth of your work, you seem to be a very interesting person, thanks for your work.
I wish my history teachers had been more like you, the way you explain things makes them sound less complicated and I actually feel like I learned something and didn't just memorize the textbook only to immediately forget it after the test. Also loving your look wish I could look half as good as you but sadly I'm ugly :( I have a question if anyone would be willing to answer what does it mean when you genuinely just don't care what pronouns people use to refer to you? Is there a word for that?
Hey! Beauty is subjective!
People usually just say they use any pronouns. There isn't really a term for it, but if people ask what your pronouns are, you just say "any".
With the pronoun thing, the closest term I can think of is "gender apathetic" (which, as I understand it, means being apathetic to how you are perceived by others in regards to gender).
I'm not quite sure if my understanding of that term is completely accurate to what you're describing: anyone who knows the exact or a more precise term can feel free to correct me in the comments.
OH MY GOD you're back!!!
Such a great and informative video! Thanks for your work. I never got an iside in trans histors befor, I'm glad RUclips recomended this video to me :) have a nice day!
This was in my recommended. Such an important piece of history. Thank you, Moe!
i haven't finished the video yet, but i have to admit it's quite detailed and it's nice to listen too, i'm also grateful how you divided it into chapters :)
hirschfeld is a very important persona for me, because lili elbe is (even more) important persona to me. the not-so-well made movie made about her was one of my first trans-related experiences i had since i became conscious enough to understand the concept of transness
i'm still crying every time i think or read or see mentioned the burning of the books. we would all live in a much better, more progressive and understanding society if it wasn't for the destruction of those beautiful documentaries. real people's histories burned to ashes over eighty years ago and it breaks my heart as if i saw it with my own eyes. i promised myself i'll go to the memorial one day and place few flowers there, because except for educating people around me and being proud of my identity, that is all i can really do. stay strong, thank you for the great video once again.
This was utterly wonderful to watch.
So informed and reflexive.
Just found this channel. Thank you for the video. Subscribed.
This is the first video of yours I have seen, this video was an amazing insight to the start of trans healthcare. Thankyou
Fantastic video! Thank you ❤
You're such an inspiration to many trans* individuals. I'm older than you but you still inspire me. I wish you well !!
Good to have an English-language video about Magnus Hirschfeld. Thanks for the work 🌷
This needs more attention. This feels like something I should have learned in school, if trans and queer history were taught in public schools, so many of us would feel incredibly seen and less alone. I wish the algorithm would push these kinds of videos, learning about my history is so fulfilling.
Keep that crap out of schools. It’s not god like or natural
No, just no.
Groomer History with all the important facts censored.
I actually agree, they should teach trans history in schools. Starting with Alfred Kinsey and John money, as a cautionary tale to children on how sick and twisted the whole ideology really is. Absolutely disgusting! I love how trans activists cherry pick which Crusaders for the movement they will talk about. There’s a reason none of them are mentioning Alfred Kinsey or John money. Do your own research.!!
The school system needs SO MUCH reform and fixing...but not to make any one group feel good about themselves. School needs to be about survival skills like driving, handling a bank account, understanding credit, etc etc.
I'm sorry you have to hear this from a stranger, but you're not the main character outside of your own head. No one is
Aww, you're back! I missed you.
Very educational and well spoken love it. Good work.
Thank you for sharing this. Very important documentation. I am writing a book about the transgender history of my country. In the middle of my research I stumbled over this video. Great information. Love from EU
Was SO happy when I saw that you had uploaded a video. I truly enjoy your content.
Wonderful video. Thank you!
Amazing video Moe! I learned so much about not just trans but gender/sex history as a whole. Thank you for educating us! edit: you're very well spoken!
Ive decided to write my History final on Magnus Hirschfeld and trans history, this video is my main source and im so thankful for all of the effort put into it
Great video Moe! Thank you for telling all the sides of Hirshfeld's story, even the ugly parts that people don't like to talk about. It's important to know where we came from
thank you, after some research not too much quality content about M Hirschfeld here, until ive found your presentation, documentary.
yaaaas amazing video! :’-) such a balanced look at this individual. thank you for mentioning the weird views he held. that being said some of his work was absolutely groundbreaking and it was so so heartbreaking to hear about the destruction of so much of it.
Hey Moe! Could you link the ARTE documentary which you used for the footage? I'm French myself, and I'd be able to watch it if it deals with the same topic! Thank you, greatly appreciated. Very good video as usual!
This is amazing, thank you. Also, looking ✨fabulous✨
Thanks for making these. I went ahead and sent you a little something. It's not much but I hope it will contribute to your goal. ❤
Thank you endlessly
awesome video!!!
Subbed for more of this... Or whatever else you're into. Mostly to support a person who appreciates and points out that all humans are flawed, while still appreciating their contributions.
Plus, if cops hate you, I'm probably a fan.
I loveeee this video!! ❤️ I'm doing my thesis on queer history in the Weimar Republic so this is a lot of very helpful information. Do you have the sources for this video? Specifically primary sources?
A video worth engaging with, good stuff 👍
Never see these types of videos, I can tell this is gonna be one of your more underrated videos. So I hope I can boost it with this comment.
Very well done documentary 👏
as a german, your pronounciation sounds really funny :)) thank your so much for the video though, it‘s so important🫶🏼
I'm working on a multi POV historical fiction on the Weimar Republic, and one character I've been struggling to develop is a Trans veteran. I really appreciate your honest and thoughtful take on this. And will do my best not to romanticize the subject ❤ the humanity is worth an honest approach like you've taken.
wonderful video!! transgender history is so important and so overlooked.
also, it wasn't really mentioned in the video, but it makes me sad how Hirschfeld coined the term "transsexual" to describe people who seek HRT/gender-affirming surgery, only for the term to be co-opted in modern times by transmedicalists that Hirschfeld himself would've disagreed with... I can understand why it fell out of favor, because it sounds like a sexuality (when so many people already have the misconception that being transgender is a sexuality thing), and also because it's so hard to separate it from modern transmeds who see it as a way to differentiate themselves as the "real transes" ._. but I kinda wish the term transsexual was seen in a better light these days by the community, because it wasn't originally a slur, nor a transmed term!
Subbed for more of this, or whatever else you post.
I am so here for this I'll eat this up! I'm always up to learn about trans history!
yay !!!
What a nuanced survey of this guy's accomplishments and horrors.
Absolutely fascinating.
Writing a story set in late 1920s Berlin right now, and I wanted Magnus Hirschfeld as a cameo
Thank you for this.