How the machine killed music | THE DEATH OF ROCK MUSIC

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  • @matm4331
    @matm4331 5 месяцев назад +41

    Thanks Andy...I had an 8th grade school band instructor who, in 1980 said, "in the future computers will be able to play every note in and orchestra perfectly and it will sound terrible. It's the imperfections that make music beautiful". He was so right. The hope is in humans rejecting the technology and just like visual artists that still paint, sculpt etc, musicians can do the same...

    • @antidote7
      @antidote7 5 месяцев назад +6

      Those things called imperfections aren't anything of the sort, they are the actual feel of the music.
      Saying music should be set to a grid, is absurd and is actually imperfect. Its nonsense.

    • @bombercountyblues
      @bombercountyblues 5 месяцев назад +5

      What you've gotta realise about that hope though, is that in the bigger picture, people like us that might hold that hope are a tiny minority of a customer base.. the vast majority of consumers neither notice nor care.. unfortunately, the music business like any other business, will always follow the money!

    • @jazzpunk
      @jazzpunk 5 месяцев назад +3

      @countyblues You nailed it - "The vast majority of consumers neither notice nor care".

  • @user-ti5in8mi8b
    @user-ti5in8mi8b 5 месяцев назад +14

    Priceless. Andy, you have spoken for all of us who truly love REAL music… music recorded with real drums and real guitars and played by musicians. Please, keep being you.

    • @kim_o_the_concrete_jungle
      @kim_o_the_concrete_jungle 5 месяцев назад

      That's kind of the problem, though, isn't it. I'm one of those people who records music with real drums and real guitar. Nobody cares. My channel has 55 subscribers, and my videos get ~120 views each.

  • @MrPetermc199
    @MrPetermc199 5 месяцев назад +19

    Keep your videos imperfect, that's partly why I've subsribed, your videos feel like a conversation, I like that.

    • @user-ti5in8mi8b
      @user-ti5in8mi8b 5 месяцев назад

      Exactly. That’s what I like too. The imperfections make your videos real and authentic.

  • @craigfazekas3923
    @craigfazekas3923 5 месяцев назад +8

    Cold & misty morning, I heard a warning borne in the air....about an age of power, where no one had an hour to spare.....
    🚬😎👍

  • @BillyBanter100
    @BillyBanter100 5 месяцев назад +5

    I'm 70. Since the age of 7 I've been aware of music and have been fascinated by it. Since then I have learned play piano, accordion, saxophone and guitar. I played in a band in my late teens. That said I now produce music using a DAW and I incorporate real Instruments and have no problem with electronic music in all its many forms. As always in creative fields there is brilliance and the not so good. I dont fuss over mechanical precision to the point of sloppiness sometimes and that gives my work a human element I believe. It ain't the tools its what you do with them. Rock music died thru oversaturation of the market and consumer fatigue IMO. Live music venues faced pressure from local residents and high music licence fees which hastened their demise.

  • @TheAnadrome
    @TheAnadrome 5 месяцев назад +9

    In the 20th Century Battleground of Sound Art Lost to Commerce at the End. But! It was an Epic Tale, filled with incredible Characters, Tragedy, Comedy, Joy and Despair.. Thanks Andy. The next story is being rehearsed in the wings.

  • @jpalberthoward9
    @jpalberthoward9 5 месяцев назад +13

    i like what Keith Richards said regarding digital technology. he said you can do anything you can imagine, but first you have to imagine something.What it comes down to is not how many choices you have, but can you make the decision? Can you say "I want this", and follow through and finish it?

  • @Hartlor_Tayley
    @Hartlor_Tayley 5 месяцев назад +12

    All of my opinions have been quantized.

  • @gregjamison5151
    @gregjamison5151 5 месяцев назад +7

    The heart of music is being crushed by the computer driven perfection.

    • @richardsinger01
      @richardsinger01 5 месяцев назад +2

      Just wait till we get computer driven imperfections that mimic real musicians.

    • @tromatrom
      @tromatrom 4 месяца назад +1

      Could you say it loud enough that everyone will understand.

  • @dandiacal
    @dandiacal 5 месяцев назад +8

    I don't think I could praise enough this particular video essay: it is so exacting about a central crisis in music and all of the arts and I haven't seen anyone else addressing, at least as well as you do here. I think a lot of the reason why most don't say what you are saying here is that quite possibly they have an interest (economic?) in not saying it. You would think that everybody is employed by one AI company or another with the degree of passive acceptance of it.

  • @PhilBaird1
    @PhilBaird1 5 месяцев назад +3

    'Ah, Edwards. Your name will also go on the list.' Looking forward to a Walmington on Sea special with Andy playing all the characters.

  • @gregarruda112
    @gregarruda112 5 месяцев назад +2

    Spontaneity, bursts of inspiration and brilliant mistakes are what makes music worth listening to.

  • @richardsutton01
    @richardsutton01 5 месяцев назад +2

    1995 is actually well into the era of digital sequencing. I bought my first PC in 1986, which cost me about a month's salary, and within a year or two I had purchased a midi interface which fitted into one of the expansion slots and the accompanying sequencing software (I can't remember what it was called as it's so long ago) and a Roland midi synth keyboard. With that lot I effectively had a multitrack recording studio in my spare room. 👍
    Richard

  • @Era515
    @Era515 5 месяцев назад +3

    I have loved music (all kinds), since I was about 3. So it baffled me why the last 25 to 30 years of top 100 music hasn't interested me. I could no longer even identify most of the singers or bands, as they had a humongous sound and lacked emotional power. Then I learned about autotune, pitch correction, etc. and realized the life and soul of music has been sucked out of it by producers and technology. AI is just one more step into the abyss.
    So I stick mostly to music recorded before the madness took over, and live music, especially the festival workshops where musicians are thrown together. That's where the magic of music lives on.

    • @juniorjames7076
      @juniorjames7076 5 месяцев назад +1

      There is an old footage of Soul Train where the host Don Cornelius is introducing Kurtis Blow to the audience after the first Rap performance on the show ('82?). Don Cornelius made it clear to everyone, that he DID NOT UNDERSTAND what he just witnessed. He actually said "I Don't Get It?" to both Blow and the audience. Cornelius came from the world of live funk performance- seeing musician and dancers, dressed up to the nines or dressed in costumes, playing actual instruments and dancing complex choreographed moves. His generation could not understand the appeal of a few guys wearing jeans & sneakers, operating a turntable, and doing spoken-word over a beat. As a 13 year old at the time, I was confused at Don's confusion, because I thought rap was the coolest thing I had ever heard at the time.....and still do. But as a 51 year old, I am now in Don's place, confused and befuddled by what "passes" for "Hip Hop" now. The Golden Age mid '90s are long gone, and when I see the vapid, wasteland that Hip Hop has become, I have to say out loud......."I Don't Get it!!"

  • @johngerson7335
    @johngerson7335 5 месяцев назад +8

    Swiftly becoming my favorite music channel.
    Keep after 'em Andy!

  • @Ikatxu
    @Ikatxu 4 месяца назад +3

    I think the biggest reason why electronic based music replaced rock as the dominant for of popular music is accessibility. For decades Rock was one of the most accessible genres of popular music you could make. All you needed was a cheap guitar to start writing songs and if you had two friends who could play bass and drums, you had a band to perform your songs. Significantly easier than the big band music of the early 20th century. When around the year 2000 software like FL Studio started to come out, there was an even more accessible alternative. It was even cheaper than a guitar and you didn't even need those two friend who could play a different instrument. Naturally more and more young people who wanted to make their own music gravitated toward software and eventually computer based music overtook guitar based music.
    This doesn't have to mean that Rock is dead though. If consider losing the status as the dominant form of popular music, Jazz was long dead before Miles Davis, John Coltrane or Herbie Hancock entered the scene. Instead it evolved to something much greater than it had been during it's commercial peak, and 100 years after that peak still has devoted following and a lively scene. Rock is now at that turning point where it needs to accept that it is no longer the dominant genre and evolve too. And well, if it really is the case, that Rock can't survive the invention of the drum machine, maybe it's not worth saving.

  • @Therocker-kw1tz
    @Therocker-kw1tz 5 месяцев назад +7

    Hello Andy. Your communication skills and knowledge are incredible. Machines taking over modern music is definitely one of my pet peeves. I can appreciate some of the early computer music such as Kraftwork, TomTom Club, etc. But current computer music is a far different thing. I love watching old videos from the late 60s early 70s where music had so much feel to it. Watching a video of Traffic doing something live from back in the day shows with real music could and should be. Thanks again for the great work.

  • @user-mad7max11dystopia
    @user-mad7max11dystopia Месяц назад

    I’m sitting here with a shit eating grin on my face and several times I nearly giggled out loud. Thanks Andy.

  • @Rowlando7887
    @Rowlando7887 5 месяцев назад +4

    In 1972 my friend (bass player in our band)(me drummer) was holidaying in London (from Vancouver), and he sent me a letter and all that it said was "You can be replaced" along with a newspaper article about Arthur Brown and the Bentley drum machine from a concert he had just seen. So I knew then that the time was coming when the machines would take over. Also check out 'Playing for Change' music videos that are recorded around the world playing together. 'When the levee breaks' is excellent. IMHO

    • @jazzpunk
      @jazzpunk 5 месяцев назад +1

      I recall a keyboardist friend of mine (kinda like a David Foster-type) tell me (bassist) that I can be replaced. He had recently picked up an Ensoniq Mirage...this thing could sound like an URB, a plucked, picked, slapped, electric bass, etc. And he played it so well. Gulp...
      BLUF: He was myopic. The WHOLE BAND was eventually replaced.

    • @juniorjames7076
      @juniorjames7076 5 месяцев назад +2

      There is an old footage of Soul Train where the host Don Cornelius is introducing Kurtis Blow to the audience after the first Rap performance on the show ('82?). Don Cornelius made it clear to everyone, that he DID NOT UNDERSTAND what he just witnessed. He actually said "I Don't Get It?" to both Blow and the audience. Cornelius came from the world of live funk performance- seeing musician and dancers, dressed up to the nines or dressed in costumes, playing actual instruments and dancing complex choreographed moves. His generation could not understand the appeal of a few guys wearing jeans & sneakers, operating a turntable, and doing spoken-word over a beat. As a 13 year old at the time, I was confused at Don's confusion, because I thought rap was the coolest thing I had ever heard at the time.....and still do. But as a 51 year old, I am now in Don's place, confused and befuddled by what "passes" for "Hip Hop" now. The Golden Age mid '90s are long gone, and when I see the vapid, wasteland that Hip Hop has become, I have to say out loud......."I Don't Get it!!"

  • @Fontsman-14
    @Fontsman-14 5 месяцев назад +3

    The producer has completely taken over. Everything is ironed flat. Imperfections are quantised out. Personality in playing is what makes music human. The use of auto tune is now almost mandatory. Listening to Radio 1 is almost shocking in it's lack of originality and soul.

  • @marlen7152
    @marlen7152 4 месяца назад +1

    Hey Andy,
    college age listener and musician here from USA
    it could be quite interesting if you had a chat with someone from a younger generation concerning these questions. I pretty strongly resonate with a lot of what you have to say on the subject, but I think there is even more nuance to find here with a juxtaposition of ages and perspectives
    Marlen

  • @erikheddergott5514
    @erikheddergott5514 5 месяцев назад +6

    In an Interview the young Superdrummer Denis Chambers who became notorious for playing in the Studios, For Sugarhill for Instance and being the favorite Drummer vor George Clinton‘s P-Funk, had a Fear to become superfluous.
    He decided to play with JazzRock Fusion Greats because he thought he would be replaced by Machines.
    So he started to play with John Scofield and after that with John McLaughlin.
    The Machine gave JazzRock Fusion a great Drummer.

    • @juniorjames7076
      @juniorjames7076 5 месяцев назад +2

      There is an old footage of Soul Train where the host Don Cornelius is introducing Kurtis Blow to the audience after the first Rap performance on the show ('82?). Don Cornelius made it clear to everyone, that he DID NOT UNDERSTAND what he just witnessed. He actually said "I Don't Get It?" to both Blow and the audience. Cornelius came from the world of live funk performance- seeing musician and dancers, dressed up to the nines or dressed in costumes, playing actual instruments and dancing complex choreographed moves. His generation could not understand the appeal of a few guys wearing jeans & sneakers, operating a turntable, and doing spoken-word over a beat. As a 13 year old at the time, I was confused at Don's confusion, because I thought rap was the coolest thing I had ever heard at the time.....and still do. But as a 51 year old, I am now in Don's place, confused and befuddled by what "passes" for "Hip Hop" now. The Golden Age mid '90s are long gone, and when I see the vapid, wasteland that Hip Hop has become, I have to say out loud......."I Don't Get it!!"

    • @BeatKasterG
      @BeatKasterG 4 месяца назад +1

      Ironic that John McLaughlin has used "the machines" so extensively on the new Shakti album that Andy describes in this video!

  • @kimstrickland65
    @kimstrickland65 5 месяцев назад +3

    Here are a couple of supporting anecdotes. A friend of mine in Northern Virginia once confessed to having been a professional sax/reed player in R&B and pop bands in the late 70s early 80s, even supporting Aretha Franklin for a while. He mentioned the "silly" money that could be made even as a sideman, but that became much harder in the late 80s as digital synthesizers became available, and even positions in live bands were getting replaced by MIDI driven synths.
    As for digital recording, for years I followed Ry Cooder, who plays a mixture of roots-based folk, blues, gospel, jazz and other styles together to create something interesting. Curiously, for a R&B focused album that he did in the mid to late 70s, "Bop Till You Drop", Warner Brothers marketed this as the first completely digitally recorded commercial album. I bought it quickly, hoping to hear his music with more dynamic range and less noise, even on an LP. Well, when I got it, I thought it was a bad pressing -- the level of hiss was greater than typical for an LP, and the playing seemed somewhat subdued. I went to the record store and claimed it was defective, and got another copy. It sounded the same. Later I found an interview with Ry where he mentioned that the digital sound was too pristine, so they actually added noise to the tracks in an attempt to make it sound more natural.

    • @lupcokotevski2907
      @lupcokotevski2907 5 месяцев назад +1

      I have the vinyl with the hype sticker. My Australian press is a bit noisy too.

    • @jazzpunk
      @jazzpunk 5 месяцев назад

      Well, our ears are analog devices, right? ;-) I hear you on the (early daze) of digital recordings. Seeing those stickers on the LPs...wow! My early daze on the Web - A Jazz site where an argument was always on. Such as - LPs (analog) are better than CDs (digital). LP guys wanted the warmth...CD guys wanted no noise. What kinda made sense to me...some of the CD guys thought it was "distortion" from an analog record that made it sound "warm". That distortion is how our ears interpreted "warmth".
      I dunno, anymore. ;-)

  • @kitcanttat
    @kitcanttat 5 месяцев назад +4

    A most enjoyable rant containing much wisdom. Don't ever change, man.

  • @toddmoore9138
    @toddmoore9138 5 месяцев назад +1

    After the invention of the tape-recorder, it's been all downhill from there. RIP music and creativity.

  • @rede5426
    @rede5426 5 месяцев назад +1

    Most modern Pop & Rock these days is made with eyes instead of ears. Most other genres are still make music by players with their ears. Folk, Blues, Jazz, Classical, Old time, Bluegrass, Flamenco, Avant Garde, etc. etc.

  • @TonyBlackNYC
    @TonyBlackNYC 5 месяцев назад +1

    huge clouds, super green lawns, and daw's are awesome to yell at.

  • @MrPsaunders
    @MrPsaunders 5 месяцев назад +3

    'Evil Eggcups' is a criminally under-rated song by the egg-man.

  • @TripleBerg
    @TripleBerg 3 месяца назад

    It’s me, in the garage.😂😂 Your videos are so fun.

  • @ianmurphy7156
    @ianmurphy7156 5 месяцев назад +2

    Roland 303 was the bass line. The 505 was an earlier version of the 808 drum machine.

  • @tromatrom
    @tromatrom 4 месяца назад +1

    "I feel insecure."! You're tapping into everything I speak with my band mates at every recording or live publication. You are spot on, sir.

  • @revan.3994
    @revan.3994 3 месяца назад

    Saddest video in a long time... and we all know that the Machine is killing not only music, it's killing everything which involves arts and crafts. It's a great de-humanisation what's taking place.

  • @pedroleal7118
    @pedroleal7118 5 месяцев назад +2

    Hello Andy. I don't think the 'machine' killed 'Rock Music', as it is just a tool, that made possible lots of small projects and experiences, It's clear for me that, what killed the Rock Music, was, the Music business, itself. Yes they shoot themselves in the knee, with their tactics, greed and unsound strategies (like the price of cd's). Have a great day and keep playing, there will be a time where 'real musicians' will be a precious thing to have around! Music is made by Humans for Humans, it was hacked long ago with the "recordings' (no more need to have musicians, just play that record again!) Take care

  • @timhewtson6212
    @timhewtson6212 5 месяцев назад +3

    Funnily enough, I was watching a Robert Fithen podcast about The Frost, Frost, Ursa Major. And now you!
    First I want to say, "Don't panic, Captain Edwards, don't panic! Those musos don't like it up 'em. And Luddism is a crap idea."
    Another crap idea is perfectionism. People don't like it. Or at least didn't. There is research in the advertising industry that says ungrammatical copy sells better than grammatically correct copy, although I cannot speak for Generation Whereverwearenow. Maybe there has been a generational reset and perfectionism is all.
    What I can say is, "Why not embrace every tool that comes your way?" The Beatles had to wrestle with two-track. We have infinite-track. Gradually bands adopted all sorts of effects, including Heath Robinson tape reverb. Now it's all there at the touch of a button.
    I write music that comes down from out-of-space somewhere, so, in fact, I don't write anything at all. It all just turns up in my head early in the morning, walking down the street, listening to you, whatever. (OK, not listening to you yet, but listening to Glen Kellaway and Sam St. John talking about Dylan yesterday.)
    I don't have a band. It's all down to me. I can play keyboards somewhat and various guitars and bass. I have a keyboard, a Medelli that has excellent sampling on string instruments, wind instruments etc., and even when it is crap, like on guitars, maybe that particular sound will work on a certain track. So I don't have to play saxaphone. Or violin (which I actually can play, but can't be bothered to). I have all this music in my head and I want to get it down quickly: fire up the computer, lay down the guitar tracks, and the keyboard tracks, and the wind instrument sampled tracks, add effects, add bass, add special effects such as echo, reverb, phasing, tremello etc. I'm a hopeless instrumentalist, but with the help of these tools, I can produce something half-decent, with plenty of accidental errors and some deliberate errors added just for you.
    Isn't this a magical world for songwriters?
    I agree, it may not be so magical for instrumentalists, but we songwriters are always plotting how to remove instrumentalists out of the equation - they have skills we don't have, they are opinionated, they smell horrid almost universally, they can't write music for crap ... and they are basically only there to raise our blood pressure and add some magical stuff we have never thought of.
    Yes, there is much to be said for putting a bunch of hairies into the same room to play together, but that's what happens live. We really don't need it in the studio or on our computer.
    The digital future is bright. You lay the song down with every magical device at your disposal, and you see what happens ... Probably not much because the industry monopolists will be planning something else - but at least we will have encapsulated our vision, and that is what an artist is all about.

  • @sleightofmind2016
    @sleightofmind2016 3 месяца назад +1

    I love this channel, but I must admit I take a shot every time Andy touches his hair! :)

  • @edwardyazinski3858
    @edwardyazinski3858 4 месяца назад +1

    Ahhh Handful of Beauty - great name for a band!

  • @edwardallan197
    @edwardallan197 5 месяцев назад +4

    Andy. All true sir. You may really appreciate the late Brit culture critic & thinker Mark Fisher.........❤ thank you for this great thoughtful exploration.

    • @parallaxview6770
      @parallaxview6770 4 месяца назад +1

      It is easier to imagine the death of capitalism than the re emergence of rock

  • @corybarnes2341
    @corybarnes2341 5 месяцев назад +1

    I play rock music at least twice a week and I can assure it's not dead. The music business might have moved on from it but that's not something it's not experienced before. It's still the most visceral expression of youthful creativity there is. Sure there's a lot of interesting creativity going on using technology but the physical interaction with an instrument yields something very special.

  • @BankruptBassplayer
    @BankruptBassplayer 5 месяцев назад +1

    Eb and Ab were the notes you sang..but you are right about digital tech, i am glad i worked as a session musician in the 70´s- early 80´s…..

  • @madf00bar15
    @madf00bar15 5 месяцев назад +2

    Egads, you were in the OG Frost* ! I was just listening to Milliontown this morning. Massive respect sir.

  • @bernardjharmsen304
    @bernardjharmsen304 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great rant. Sci-fi.
    You're the new Howard Beale from the movie ' Network'.
    "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!"

  • @trevorcrawford1
    @trevorcrawford1 5 месяцев назад +1

    Good guitarings Andy

  • @satumma
    @satumma 5 месяцев назад

    In the end we really need to have a deep discussion of the incentive structures and whether we have agreed to them.

  • @nkkado
    @nkkado 5 месяцев назад +2

    To quote a friend's album title, "fidelity is the enemy"

    • @nkkado
      @nkkado 5 месяцев назад

      He's also known to snark "reverb is for charlatans"

  • @demianferiy
    @demianferiy 5 месяцев назад +1

    38:14 - 40:18 😂 is a masterpiece

  • @riffmondo9733
    @riffmondo9733 5 месяцев назад +1

    Excellent.

  • @pascaldeshayes5459
    @pascaldeshayes5459 5 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for putting this one out.
    I'm with you on many points but also find benefits in computers. As a nearly 50 years old recording and mixing engineer, as much as I like the sound of a good tape machine (typically to track drums), I find that computers make our lives so much easier. Yes the temptation to rely on machines more than on human feel is a reality and it takes a strong decision not to edit everything to the grid. And this is a reflection of where we're at as human kind. There's an urgent need for debate about what space we want to leave to machines in every aspect of our human lives.
    Now, I also know electronic-related music producers (hip-hop, etc.) who decide to play every single note. No copy/paste, no editing, no grid alignment. They're after that human touch, that groove. So, maybe, we're on the verge of seeing a return of heartfelt music in the coming years.

  • @SoundtrackAudioCom
    @SoundtrackAudioCom 5 месяцев назад +1

    The computer is Little Britain's Dennis Waterman sketch ... I'll write the theme tune, mix the theme tune, produce the theme tune, master the theme tune, distribute the theme tune, market the theme tune ...

  • @jimmyfrost5065
    @jimmyfrost5065 5 месяцев назад +2

    Loved the flash of Rick 😆

  • @IbecomeU
    @IbecomeU 3 месяца назад +3

    Loving what you do Andy Edward's. You are the Zeppelin of podcasts, with a little bit of AC DC.

  • @randybackgammon890
    @randybackgammon890 5 месяцев назад +1

    I think its been on the wane since 1967.Monterey was a happining...Woodstock was where 300,000 turned up looking for one.Many will be beg to differ but the truly hot years were over before the end of the '60s IMO.Yes I know there was punk and funk and a lot of it very good but the real beauty and inocence of that first explosion was always being chased rather than occuring.✌️

  • @tracyharms3548
    @tracyharms3548 5 месяцев назад +3

    The marketing of popular music predates Rock & Roll, and Rock music did more to refine music sales into a soul-crushing big business. If any villain has a front and center seat on music’s distortion under crass marketing, it is Rock.

    • @christophermoebs5514
      @christophermoebs5514 5 месяцев назад +2

      I believe it's Pop music which is a commodified form of the music of sub cultures, i.e. blues jazz soul reggae even rock & roll

    • @tracyharms3548
      @tracyharms3548 5 месяцев назад

      @@christophermoebs5514 Yes, but with this emphasis The Beatles are the most noteworthy Pop act so Andy’s complaints disintegrate.

  • @juniorjames7076
    @juniorjames7076 5 месяцев назад +2

    There is an old footage of Soul Train where the host Don Cornelius is introducing Kurtis Blow to the audience after the first Rap performance on the show ('82?). Don Cornelius made it clear to everyone, that he DID NOT UNDERSTAND what he just witnessed. He actually said "I Don't Get It?" to both Blow and the audience. Cornelius came from the world of live funk performance- seeing musician and dancers, dressed up to the nines or dressed in costumes, playing actual instruments and dancing complex choreographed moves. His generation could not understand the appeal of a few guys wearing jeans & sneakers, operating a turntable, and doing spoken-word over a beat. As a 13 year old at the time, I was confused at Don's confusion, because I thought rap was the coolest thing I had ever heard at the time.....and still do. But as a 51 year old, I am now in Don's place, confused and befuddled by what "passes" for "Hip Hop" now. The Golden Age mid '90s are long gone, and when I see the vapid, wasteland that Hip Hop has become, I have to say out loud......."I Don't Get it!!"

  • @Scullery_Denizen
    @Scullery_Denizen 4 месяца назад

    These days when I hear Freddie Mercury on the radio I marvel at just how good his vocals must have been because, as far as I am aware, he just didn't use computer assistance for things like pitch. At the time, when that music came out, I took that all for granted. Today, I wouldn't be able to tell who has amazing talent.

  • @richardthurston2171
    @richardthurston2171 5 месяцев назад +1

    Rock isn't dead. That said for me one of the absolute low points was the KISS lunchbox from around 1977. I still shudder on those rare occasions when I encounter an image of it.

  • @Justin-Case-2.0
    @Justin-Case-2.0 5 месяцев назад +2

    Rock'n'roll is not dead, it just smells funny ;-)

  • @comfyft
    @comfyft 5 месяцев назад +1

    Excellent points well made. There is an argument that since maybe the 90s the only advancement in music has been about the advancements in corporate recording and playing technology ( computer plugins, effects, sounds etc) and not in styles and or new genres and types of music. However I seem to recall the musicians union in the early 1980s trying to ban Gary Numan and the synthesiser as they claimed the new technology was endangering "real musicians"

  • @vanspainting1018
    @vanspainting1018 5 месяцев назад +1

    “Welcome to the Machine “

  • @TheAnadrome
    @TheAnadrome 5 месяцев назад +12

    The late great Hound Dog Taylor, perhaps the sloppiest electric guitar player whoever lived, once said 'When I die people will say he couldn't play shit, but he made his sound real good.' And indeed he did.

    • @PhilBaird1
      @PhilBaird1 5 месяцев назад +2

      How true. I used to have all those Hound Dog records. Real music, just three guys in a sweaty Chicago club. None of that Prog shite.

    • @erikheddergott5514
      @erikheddergott5514 5 месяцев назад

      The punkiest Punk Band of all Punk Band.
      And the Band gave Birth to one of the most important Labels.

  • @Truthinshredding1
    @Truthinshredding1 5 месяцев назад +5

    How cut and paste killled music

  • @callmeal3017
    @callmeal3017 5 месяцев назад +2

    It was an Ab. I have perfect pitch but often the world is off

  • @pawehohmann8171
    @pawehohmann8171 4 месяца назад

    Perfectionizm is the enemy of creativity! It's great that you said that.

  • @deek49
    @deek49 4 месяца назад

    Excellent video, Andy. So very well stated. You perfectly expressed what I have been going on an on about for quite a few years now (to those in my life that are forced to hear me rail about such things) You phrasing of "The balance between chaos and order." Perfectly defines good music, music that makes us feel something. So sad that so many simply do not care.
    Thank you for this and your other great content. Very informative and enjoyable.

  • @jvpresnall
    @jvpresnall 5 месяцев назад +1

    Yes. Fear of making mistakes. Fear of failure. The emphasis on “success, success, success.” Well, here’s a machine that will bring that about. Nobody knows how to do anything and they don’t want to do it anyway. Doesn’t matter apparently-the machine keeps going.

  • @solotx8798
    @solotx8798 5 месяцев назад +2

    Also the printing press killed literature, fuckin Gutenberg 🤬

  • @thechronicnoizeco.6675
    @thechronicnoizeco.6675 5 месяцев назад +1

    That guitar deserves more love.

  • @javilalima
    @javilalima 5 месяцев назад

    Very insightful. This is extremely valuable contemporary philosophy of the arts.

  • @rikkinadir
    @rikkinadir 4 месяца назад +1

    I 50:11 love my misic with 'rough edges'
    Not the polished overproduced sanitised of today.
    A recent track I heard sums this up lyricaly. ' I like a little dirt on my diamonds'... though I am sure someone will tell me that that too has been polished for release.
    One of my favourite bands I bought thier LP and there was a flaw on the pressing slap bang on a dramatc pause in the music causinc a rytmic 'scratch'....
    I loved it and it elevated the whole piece... went round to my mate who played the same album.. same flaw in the pressing. We were both in ectasy over this 'unintentional Enhancement.
    .... never the same anywhere else cd digital etc

  • @spankduncan1114
    @spankduncan1114 5 месяцев назад +2

    The average consumer of popular audio products doesn't care what the source of the sound is. In their minds if it doesn't sound "techno" it's not cool. There will always be people who master musical instruments and make the best performance with emotion. Appreciation for that feat seems to be less recognized by the masses than in the past. Assembly line manufacturing replaced hand crafted products, but nevertheless, there are artists out there still doing it by hand.
    Live music (played well) is the best.

  • @Michael-xr5yx
    @Michael-xr5yx 5 месяцев назад +3

    Love all your vids Andy. You're by far the best music commentary channel on the tubes. That being said, I will not stop pestering you until you talk about the Smashing Pumpkins prog masterpiece Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.... and the RDJ Album by Aphex.

  • @revan.3994
    @revan.3994 3 месяца назад

    In regards of timing: Danny Carey for example has a drum computer in his brain, such a gift of nature! 😱😆🤘🤘

  • @larryzink8978
    @larryzink8978 5 месяцев назад +2

    thanks for not using a big phony prop microphone. Love your grounding.

  • @daveduffy2823
    @daveduffy2823 4 месяца назад +2

    Technology always advances and takes over more and more. We have become the horse in the time when cars came out. Soon all professional music used for backgrounds, films, ads and such, will all be automated.

  • @dsjwhite
    @dsjwhite 5 месяцев назад

    Good stuff Andy, keep it up.

  • @deniseomeara4266
    @deniseomeara4266 5 месяцев назад +1

    Very enjoyable listening to a like mind. You explained why I have became enamored with the music of Rory Gallagher again. He was such an unusual individual, one who focused virtually his whole life to his craft and his fans on his own terms, perhaps to his own detriment.

  • @rparis1479
    @rparis1479 5 месяцев назад +1

    Amazing Andy! Love your every word of wisdom. This is my favourite channel. Keep it going.

  • @ronaldhay9610
    @ronaldhay9610 5 месяцев назад +2

    the invention of the trap set was pretty big

  • @christostefan
    @christostefan 5 месяцев назад +2

    I remember the first all digital record I remember was that White Lion album. It sounded so dry and stale to me.
    Now after decades of hearing digital recordings, relistening to that album. It sounds perfectly natural or average.
    My how things changed.

  • @YtuserSumone-rl6sw
    @YtuserSumone-rl6sw 5 месяцев назад +10

    The computer producer after a hard days night on the keyboard: "I've got blisters on my fingers!"

  • @eyestick8012
    @eyestick8012 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great content Andy. Just watched your performance at Nearfest '05, and must say I was impressed! You guys were in top form that night.

  • @thomascordery7951
    @thomascordery7951 5 месяцев назад +1

    As a multi-instrumentalist duffer who's not any sort of drummer, I'll say that drum machines are my favorite metronomes, but I much prefer a real drummer for recording and performance. In fact, I've never performed with either a drum machine or a click track.

  • @sinenkaari5477
    @sinenkaari5477 5 месяцев назад +17

    The Doors - Rock Is Dead. Great long death rant by Morrison. He saw it coming, his personal death and the death of Rock And Roll. He predicted the "one person with singing and speaking machines" back in 1969

    • @erikheddergott5514
      @erikheddergott5514 5 месяцев назад

      Do you know why some Raindancers have always Success:
      They don‘t stop till it Rains.
      With predictions you have less Work to do, you just wait long enough, whilst doing whatever you want to do.

    • @LuDux
      @LuDux 5 месяцев назад

      Pig & Dan (featuring Jim Morrison) - Black Polished Chrome ruclips.net/video/3kNDnc-fs_4/видео.html

    • @nerovox3875
      @nerovox3875 4 месяца назад +1

      He was drunk…..

  • @rocklanglois8378
    @rocklanglois8378 5 месяцев назад +1

    Andy, you are an ACE, from an EGG, out of a WALRUS!

  • @madmaf6011
    @madmaf6011 5 месяцев назад

    Thanks Andy, brilliant again.

  • @ig7087
    @ig7087 2 месяца назад

    Andy, the late & great Frank Zappa used tape technology in the early 60s to enhance his music (and he wasn’t the first composer to do so). Remember his “Jazz from Hell” album with the Synclavier? Had the man still been alive today, he would be using a computer, I am sure. And Brian Eno’s work would be unthinkable without computers (I guess we can both add others). Apart from that, I mostly agree with your main thesis.

  • @rickwills4281
    @rickwills4281 5 месяцев назад +1

    A very enjoyable episode!

  • @TripleBerg
    @TripleBerg 3 месяца назад

    It scares me how my queries and prompts in certain apps are fed back to me as topics in other apps, even though I try to block apps sharing. 😮Right.😏

  • @MrPsaunders
    @MrPsaunders 5 месяцев назад +6

    Awesome Black Page drum performance, great talk about digital recording. Hope you get the attention of Beato for an interview.

    • @AndyEdwardsDrummer
      @AndyEdwardsDrummer  5 месяцев назад +4

      That will NEVER happen...

    • @MrPsaunders
      @MrPsaunders 5 месяцев назад +1

      Hope it does, and if you've got 1 minute 20 please watch my imperfect, unaccompanied, non-grid 'Flight of the Bumblebee' played on a crappy squire, cheers!@@AndyEdwardsDrummer

  • @BrandochGarage
    @BrandochGarage 5 месяцев назад

    I don't know if old men ruined everything, but dude! your AFJ 81! It's just hangin' there undone!

  • @pontifexvonhummer9459
    @pontifexvonhummer9459 5 месяцев назад

    Andy, you’ve inspired me. I’m gonna find “Dad’s Army” and see what all this hubbub is about!

  • @sashaames9952
    @sashaames9952 5 месяцев назад +1

    Man, I remember how much I loved multitracking with Cakewalk after years of the 424, it was amazing to have unlimited tracks for overdub and the ability to visually splice takes together.
    To elaborate on the theme of the video, I find it so disappointing to go to a supposedly "live" performance, and the band is just playing along with sequenced tracks on a laptop. I'm talking about you, Kevin Parker!

  • @t.seank.529
    @t.seank.529 5 месяцев назад +1

    We really need to redo modern art with the same aesthetic as is standard in music these days.
    How much better will those awful Jackson Pollack paintings be when we take out all that randomness and chaos?

  • @donaldbutcher1260
    @donaldbutcher1260 5 месяцев назад +2

    I think the only people who even care about this issue are musicians and producers. The music fans who are ignorant about how thier favorite pop stars do what they do couldn't care less.
    As for those in the industry who bemoan the death of rock-n-roll you have no one to blame but yourselves, the guitars, the amps, the drums etc still exist. The studios and production facilities still are available for you to use. Yes it's true that a kid can make a complete album now in her bedroom but that same tech is there for you to use as well. So stop complaining, go out and find the people who are making the music you love and get on with it. It doesn't matter if no one sells 10 million records or wins a dozen Grammy's it's about the music and the people who still want to hear it. 😊

  • @tromatrom
    @tromatrom 4 месяца назад +2

    Rock music will have to go back to actual live music ONLY !

  • @Quinceps
    @Quinceps 5 месяцев назад +1

    That was approximately an A flat 😅 I remember it from In The Mood by Glenn Miller.

  • @paununs8719
    @paununs8719 5 месяцев назад

    The guy in the end was probably El Estepario Siberiano. A drummer friend of mine hates him with a passion, haha.

  • @michelvoortman4725
    @michelvoortman4725 4 месяца назад +1

    I am just gonna say Beato!

  • @allanspence1347
    @allanspence1347 5 месяцев назад

    You are a true philosopher, Andy.

  • @dangerdolls
    @dangerdolls 5 месяцев назад +3

    Yep, AI is Augmented Idiocy.

  • @Justice4Canaan
    @Justice4Canaan 5 месяцев назад +1

    straight facts, another great video.