Not a single part of a canoe hull is going to be submitted to such an amount of angular deformation, (90 deg) ever... even when bumping into rocks while running a rapid, except if the canoe is badly broached against a rock and is folded. Max would be about 20 deg. on a hard side way rock impact. What make a composite/laminate + finish great for canoe hulls exposed to abuse are: 1) resistance/resilience to side impact, including from sharp objects (not demonstrated in this video) 2) ability to slide (slipery finish) as oppose to catching on rock and other obstacles. (not demonstrated in this video) That's why Royalex was such a good material with its ability to deform and bounce back under impact and it's external vinyl coating that made the canoes easily slide over rocks.
Hi ya Pete, great comments. I’ve heard about Royal lex light! Who would be the best canoe manufacturers in your opinion you would got to to have made 20ft or 6.1 expedition/sailing with 36/38inch beam an have a retractable 1mtr centreboard. The stern would need to be flat for a rudder when needed. I realy like Novacraft an the tuffstuff is great but I’m thinking, sea conditions, rocks, shingle or ruff stones and the sliding abilities too. I live on the south coast of England an western have the Durassic coast to explore as well as 3or4 canoe sailing groups, who have walking an non walking disabilities me, I’m walk-in with crutches, hence the room stability’s an thinkin outside the box with durability. Being disabled with lower back probs ( don’t worry about the sorries mate! Bin there done all that!) I find I do get tired an have had the odd bumps with rocks, woods an sand/shale bars. So hence the sliding an survivability. Thanks for sharing Paul 15.09 gmt Uk cheers
We bought a Cowan canoe about 40 years ago. Nice shape. Not made any more although I think the molds still exist. At the time I also looked at a white water canoe. Had two kayak style openings front and back and a "cargo hatch" in the middle that you could cover. They were made just north of Shelburne. Anyone know where I can get one. Thank you
OK, we've had a few years for the guinea pigs out there to report- how does the stuff stand up to actual whitewater canoeing? I'm assuming scratches show, just like they did on my royalex light...? Not complaining, just asking. How does it handle in the water? I heard it's kind of bendy and flexy (not good). The canoes sure look nice in the warehouse, and the two guys standing on it, that's great. But...after 60 or more days of whitewater, how does the skin and structural form hold up? I like Tim Miller on sight.
Bendy and flexy? Not in the ways that really matter. I have a 16' Novacraft Prospector in Tuff Stuff (the regular version, not the expedition layup), and overall it's the stiffest boat I own. I should point out that there's a foam core in the floor of the boat which makes the floor extremely stiff, far stiffer than any Royalex boat. The un-reinforced sides have more flex than than Royalex, but about the same or less than what you'd see on any traditional composite hull, so that flex is really no big deal. And because of the sharper entry lines and the much stiffer bottom than you could ever find in a Royalex hull, it blows Royalex away in terms of performance on the water (I realize that's not much of an issue if you paddle nothing but whitewater, but on flatwater the difference is night and day). I can't speak regarding "60 days of whitewater" or serious whitewater at all, but I can say that the kinds of scrapes that leave gouges in Royalex will leave only superficial scratches in Tuff Stuff.
How is it's coefficient of expansion compared to wood trim? My Royalex requires me to remove bow plates and loosen gunwales every winter. Hastle with Phillips head scews stripping too.
to be honest though that canoe looks indestructible I would pay that amount for it. I have a bell Royalex morningstar. it seems either you are paying for the low weight of kevlar vs this amazingly strong woven material. I want a novacraft!
So, do they talk about the fact that you will spend more hours repairing the gelcoat covering the tuff stuff, than you do actually paddling? Do they talk about how easily the gelcoat cracks on flat water trips? I have one of these, the worst purchase of my life! Sure, the tuff stuff is tough, but the gelcoat is as fragile as a thin pane of glass. As soon as the repairs are done THIS time, I'm selling it and getting something else. Do not recommend.
What did you end up getting? Seems all the composite canoes now have a gel coat to deal with. I'm also looking for a low maintenance canoe but not crazy heavy
"Good" canoes almost never have keels (some people choose keels for lake paddling, but most good canoe companies don't even offer that option, but I believe Novacraft offers that option on certain models). Learn to paddle well and learn to appreciate what a keel-less boat can do, and you will never want a keel again.
Well, it's not that great. I took a blow torch to that material and burned a hole right through it. Seriously, nice canoes (@ $2,500+ they have to be!)
Very impressive I must say. That is some material I would love to have under me while canoeing our seas,
I'm impressed; what about abrasion i.e. dragging a loaded canoe over rocks?
Abrasion will definitely scratch/damage the gelcoat which is a protective layer on the outside of the canoe. Gelcoat can be repaired fairly easily.
Can blue steel take the same abuse?
Looking at getting a TuffStuff Prospector here in Yellowknife. Interesting material. Shield country is hard on the gear.
Very impressive. I'd be interested in the same comparison with RLite. Trying to decide if now is the time to replace my old boat.
Wish ya would have shown us the gel coat after this test.
Now that's a lot of TuffStuff!
Can I get a discount on the canoe you took the hammers to 😊
Not a single part of a canoe hull is going to be submitted to such an amount of angular deformation, (90 deg) ever... even when bumping into rocks while running a rapid, except if the canoe is badly broached against a rock and is folded. Max would be about 20 deg. on a hard side way rock impact.
What make a composite/laminate + finish great for canoe hulls exposed to abuse are:
1) resistance/resilience to side impact, including from sharp objects (not demonstrated in this video)
2) ability to slide (slipery finish) as oppose to catching on rock and other obstacles. (not demonstrated in this video)
That's why Royalex was such a good material with its ability to deform and bounce back under impact and it's external vinyl coating that made the canoes easily slide over rocks.
Hi ya Pete, great comments. I’ve heard about Royal lex light! Who would be the best canoe manufacturers in your opinion you would got to to have made 20ft or 6.1 expedition/sailing with 36/38inch beam an have a retractable 1mtr centreboard. The stern would need to be flat for a rudder when needed.
I realy like Novacraft an the tuffstuff is great but I’m thinking, sea conditions, rocks, shingle or ruff stones and the sliding abilities too.
I live on the south coast of England an western have the Durassic coast to explore as well as 3or4 canoe sailing groups, who have walking an non walking disabilities me, I’m walk-in with crutches, hence the room stability’s an thinkin outside the box with durability.
Being disabled with lower back probs ( don’t worry about the sorries mate! Bin there done all that!) I find I do get tired an have had the odd bumps with rocks, woods an sand/shale bars.
So hence the sliding an survivability.
Thanks for sharing
Paul 15.09 gmt Uk cheers
Tuffstuff? I agree. If it were a little lighter.... one can dream....
I wish I would’ve seen that before I just bought my North Star canoe. The wind blew it over and the POS cracked.
That's terrible - what model and what layup?
Looks awesome!!! 😃👍
We bought a Cowan canoe about 40 years ago. Nice shape. Not made any more although I think the molds still exist. At the time I also looked at a white water canoe. Had two kayak style openings front and back and a "cargo hatch" in the middle that you could cover. They were made just north of Shelburne. Anyone know where I can get one. Thank you
Im sold !!!!
Im real keen to use this in my laminate for a freestly jetski. How does this work with infusion. What resin. Whats ur typical laminate schedule
rock tend to have pointy bits hit it with something with a point on it like a mace
VERY CONVINCING!
OK, we've had a few years for the guinea pigs out there to report- how does the stuff stand up to actual whitewater canoeing? I'm assuming scratches show, just like they did on my royalex light...? Not complaining, just asking. How does it handle in the water? I heard it's kind of bendy and flexy (not good). The canoes sure look nice in the warehouse, and the two guys standing on it, that's great. But...after 60 or more days of whitewater, how does the skin and structural form hold up? I like Tim Miller on sight.
Bendy and flexy? Not in the ways that really matter. I have a 16' Novacraft Prospector in Tuff Stuff (the regular version, not the expedition layup), and overall it's the stiffest boat I own. I should point out that there's a foam core in the floor of the boat which makes the floor extremely stiff, far stiffer than any Royalex boat. The un-reinforced sides have more flex than than Royalex, but about the same or less than what you'd see on any traditional composite hull, so that flex is really no big deal. And because of the sharper entry lines and the much stiffer bottom than you could ever find in a Royalex hull, it blows Royalex away in terms of performance on the water (I realize that's not much of an issue if you paddle nothing but whitewater, but on flatwater the difference is night and day). I can't speak regarding "60 days of whitewater" or serious whitewater at all, but I can say that the kinds of scrapes that leave gouges in Royalex will leave only superficial scratches in Tuff Stuff.
Since it has bath salts in it will it get me high?
How is it's coefficient of expansion compared to wood trim? My Royalex requires me to remove bow plates and loosen gunwales every winter. Hastle with Phillips head scews stripping too.
Hi Scott, Cold cracking is not an issue with composite canoes trimmed with wood.
@@novacraftcanoe good to know, I would lead with that when doing comparison with Royalex. Big headache. Love the warmth of the Royalex and the quiet.
wearing no safety glasses right in front of sign which says "Caution: safety glasses required"
amazing materials though!
Great boat
Will it blend?
Awesome!
price between 1045$ and 3000$ on a Canadian website
THAT'S TOUGH STUFF!
TUFFSTUFF
to be honest though that canoe looks indestructible I would pay that amount for it. I have a bell Royalex morningstar. it seems either you are paying for the low weight of kevlar vs this amazingly strong woven material. I want a novacraft!
I want everything i own to made like this.
What price range for 17 footer?
*Indeed*
That is a legit review.
Wow! That is tough!
I can't wait to order a TuffStuff canoe from you.
Nice
So, do they talk about the fact that you will spend more hours repairing the gelcoat covering the tuff stuff, than you do actually paddling? Do they talk about how easily the gelcoat cracks on flat water trips? I have one of these, the worst purchase of my life! Sure, the tuff stuff is tough, but the gelcoat is as fragile as a thin pane of glass. As soon as the repairs are done THIS time, I'm selling it and getting something else. Do not recommend.
What did you end up getting? Seems all the composite canoes now have a gel coat to deal with. I'm also looking for a low maintenance canoe but not crazy heavy
@@vinoto the 16' prospector in tuff stuff
subscribed, i need that resin in an airplane.
I am sold
No keel ? Why
"Good" canoes almost never have keels (some people choose keels for lake paddling, but most good canoe companies don't even offer that option, but I believe Novacraft offers that option on certain models). Learn to paddle well and learn to appreciate what a keel-less boat can do, and you will never want a keel again.
This canoe can be ordered with or without a shoe keel.
How does the weight compare to straight Kevlar?.
TuffStuff is in between fiberglass and kevlar weight-wise. A 16' Prospector in TuffStuff weighs around 54 lbs.
Wow. That’s an excellent material demonstration. That would sell me.
Now that's a salesman .... that's how you sell
Make some RUclips videos showing off your products like the Supernova 14’10” or send me one and I’ll make a video over the summer for yah ;)
thats a new resin
Well, it's not that great. I took a blow torch to that material and burned a hole right through it.
Seriously, nice canoes (@ $2,500+ they have to be!)
I was gonna say " looks expensive "
Go ahead and say it ... ;-)
That is tough stuff
*Its ‘TOUGH STUFF’... ya know..!* 😆🤣😂
Puts Elon Musk to shame :]