I drove 40 minutes to the nearest book store that had Red Mars and started reading it. I just started the part called the Crucible. Bro this book is great thanks so much guys for bringing this to my attention ❤️
"Civics is not just stuff that has to do with elections, or government, or cities, as I’ve seen it shorthanded in various contexts. Civics is the process by which people work together to build the world that they share. And apocalypse does not mean ‘the end of days’. apocalypse means ‘the lifting of the veil.’ It means uncovering - revelation of things as they really are. The things we often associate with the word ‘apocalypse’ are more like apocalypticism, which I’ll define as: as a frothy mix of fear and fantasy about the collapse of civilization that is a byproduct of the cognitive dissonance from living in an unsustainable world. Apocalypticism is paralyzing. In the face of very real crises, apocalypticism is masturbatory. The antidote to apocalypticism is apocalyptic civics. Apocalyptic civics is the insistence that we cannot ignore the truth, nor should we panic about it. It is a shared consciousness that our institutions have failed and our ecosystem is collapsing, yet we are still here - and we are creative agents who can shape our destinies. Apocalyptic civics is the conviction that the only way out is through, and the only way through is together. " - Greg Bloom
Thank you, my evening listening is now sorted. I practice Buddhist chanting, meditation but have been a Pagan for 22 years. In Bristol UK we have the longest running meeting called a Moot in the country. We are all lefties of some stripe. Btw love Hawkwind, have seen them so many times.
Interesting interview, even had time to stop and appreciate the birds and the winds chimes hehe, a lot of pretty strong views from Robinson, some I might disagree with a little, but his thoughts on sexuality, gender, identity, culture and society are very respectable, fluidity being the key word he uses, and that quote about "it's all skin", while maybe a little creepy, is quite a profound comment really.
You guys should check out China Mieville. Socialist science fiction writer, one of the main authors of the New Weird sub-genre. He wrote a non-fiction novel about the Russian revolution called October that I recommend.
Such a good choice of topic and person to interview!!! Thanks Antifada. And now I’m going to be the annoying guy-if things are going to be super compressed can you roll down some of the extra lows and especially highs? Unless of course this is a stylistic choice to make everything sound sci-fi for this episode-with every pause there’s a white noise monster sneaking up on you
Love your podcast :) Definitely gonna be picking up some of Robinson's books. My Neo-Marxist analysis of religion is that religion is commodified spirituality. Spirituality practices are expropriated into commodified practices of authoritarianism and perpetuated through normal market cycles PS. The Evergreen State College until last year had one of the last Political Economy programs in the country. They eliminated the course track after the Evergreen protests
List of books+authors mentioned in this episode: Ursula K. LeGuin The Dispossessed The Left Hand Of Darkness The Lathe Of Heaven Kim Stanley Robinson Article in COMMUNE magazine about how utopias are constantly looked down upon as "naive", but dystopias are not, and dystopias are, well, lazy writing; a crutch that limits our thinking. communemag.com/dystopias-now/ The Years Of Rice And Salt 2312 Mars Trilogy Red Mars (1992) - Colonization Green Mars (1993) - Terraforming Blue Mars (1996) - Long-term results The Martians (1999) - Short stories New York 2140 Red Moon Science In The Capital series Forty Signs of Rain (2004) Fifty Degrees Below (2005) Sixty Days and Counting (2007)
Philip K. Dick: The individual books don't matter, it's the totality of his work. The structure of his novels, where the story starts by following an ordinary everyday person through the world, seeing everything from their first-person point-of-view (or rather, 3rd-person limited-point-of-view where you can read this character's thoughts). And then proceeding to a 2nd character who observes the 1st character from the outside, perhaps going over all of the events the first person just experienced. The point-of-view is roving around, and this gives the characterizations 3-Dimensionality. Galactic Pot Healer The Man In The High Castle: Including Ursula K. LeGuin's introduction UBIK
Frederic Jameson's summaries of Ernest Block Raymond Williams
Gary Snyder Donald Wessling, a good professor Raymond Williams: concept of the long revolution
I drove 40 minutes to the nearest book store that had Red Mars and started reading it. I just started the part called the Crucible. Bro this book is great thanks so much guys for bringing this to my attention ❤️
Antifada is BEST ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
I love communism and you Jamie😎
We all love Jamie! Have to admit some of the guys in the MR chat are very smitten understandably but I have also seen some be real arseholes about it.
@@chokinonashes61 indeed
"Civics is not just stuff that has to do with elections, or government, or cities, as I’ve seen it shorthanded in various contexts. Civics is the process by which people work together to build the world that they share.
And apocalypse does not mean ‘the end of days’. apocalypse means ‘the lifting of the veil.’ It means uncovering - revelation of things as they really are.
The things we often associate with the word ‘apocalypse’ are more like apocalypticism, which I’ll define as: as a frothy mix of fear and fantasy about the collapse of civilization that is a byproduct of the cognitive dissonance from living in an unsustainable world. Apocalypticism is paralyzing. In the face of very real crises, apocalypticism is masturbatory.
The antidote to apocalypticism is apocalyptic civics. Apocalyptic civics is the insistence that we cannot ignore the truth, nor should we panic about it. It is a shared consciousness that our institutions have failed and our ecosystem is collapsing, yet we are still here - and we are creative agents who can shape our destinies.
Apocalyptic civics is the conviction that the only way out is through, and the only way through is together. " - Greg Bloom
Thank you, my evening listening is now sorted. I practice Buddhist chanting, meditation but have been a Pagan for 22 years. In Bristol UK we have the longest running meeting called a Moot in the country. We are all lefties of some stripe. Btw love Hawkwind, have seen them so many times.
Hold on, you got Kim Stanley Robinson on your show. That's amazing! I'm reading the Mars Trilogy right now.
Fantastic conversation!
Interesting interview, even had time to stop and appreciate the birds and the winds chimes hehe, a lot of pretty strong views from Robinson, some I might disagree with a little, but his thoughts on sexuality, gender, identity, culture and society are very respectable, fluidity being the key word he uses, and that quote about "it's all skin", while maybe a little creepy, is quite a profound comment really.
You guys should check out China Mieville. Socialist science fiction writer, one of the main authors of the New Weird sub-genre. He wrote a non-fiction novel about the Russian revolution called October that I recommend.
yes! we love his work. we hope to get him on the show very soon
Very cool! I hope you get that interview. I'd love to hear you guys chat with him.
Don't forget to hit the like button 👍👍👍👍👍
Such a good choice of topic and person to interview!!! Thanks Antifada. And now I’m going to be the annoying guy-if things are going to be super compressed can you roll down some of the extra lows and especially highs? Unless of course this is a stylistic choice to make everything sound sci-fi for this episode-with every pause there’s a white noise monster sneaking up on you
Are you fucking kidding me? You got Kim on? Fuck yah.
Love your podcast :)
Definitely gonna be picking up some of Robinson's books.
My Neo-Marxist analysis of religion is that religion is commodified spirituality. Spirituality practices are expropriated into commodified practices of authoritarianism and perpetuated through normal market cycles
PS. The Evergreen State College until last year had one of the last Political Economy programs in the country. They eliminated the course track after the Evergreen protests
Just looked up Chen. I did not expect him to be at my uni.
FULLY
Aw fuck I liked this guy god damn it. RIp KSR, years of rice and salt wast good
List of books+authors mentioned in this episode:
Ursula K. LeGuin
The Dispossessed
The Left Hand Of Darkness
The Lathe Of Heaven
Kim Stanley Robinson
Article in COMMUNE magazine about how utopias are constantly looked down upon as "naive", but dystopias are not, and dystopias are, well, lazy writing; a crutch that limits our thinking.
communemag.com/dystopias-now/
The Years Of Rice And Salt
2312
Mars Trilogy
Red Mars (1992) - Colonization
Green Mars (1993) - Terraforming
Blue Mars (1996) - Long-term results
The Martians (1999) - Short stories
New York 2140
Red Moon
Science In The Capital series
Forty Signs of Rain (2004)
Fifty Degrees Below (2005)
Sixty Days and Counting (2007)
Philip K. Dick: The individual books don't matter, it's the totality of his work. The structure of his novels, where the story starts by following an ordinary everyday person through the world, seeing everything from their first-person point-of-view (or rather, 3rd-person limited-point-of-view where you can read this character's thoughts). And then proceeding to a 2nd character who observes the 1st character from the outside, perhaps going over all of the events the first person just experienced. The point-of-view is roving around, and this gives the characterizations 3-Dimensionality.
Galactic Pot Healer
The Man In The High Castle: Including Ursula K. LeGuin's introduction
UBIK
Frederic Jameson's summaries of
Ernest Block
Raymond Williams
Gary Snyder
Donald Wessling, a good professor
Raymond Williams: concept of the long revolution
I'm new I want to know what's the girl from the majority report name
I think you mean Jamie Peck.