they also offer perf package separate with elastomers and also offer the whole metal body and even fancy blocker with led in front of the pedals if you want to pay extra for these things. The conspit doesnt have them but under reseller the italian reseller has them. Also the reseller only few km from my home is the official swiss reseller. they are selling them for 569chf all 3 peddals set. Thats unbeatable price for such a peddal set. I use them for two almost two months now - for me is really great. i‘m new to sim racing and i also use the simhub version. I could not ask for more… just as you said more adjustability. just imagine they would have physical adjustability like xp1 - they would be perfect. but also like this for me - amazing.
Friction/damping feeling in the brake was the main reason i sold my p2000 and went huensinkveld ultimates . Just couldnt get used to it ever after having my p2000 for over a year. Couldnt be happier now
Umm no both side by side ite not the same. The p2000s are progressive these aren't. He was saying the friction as in it feels the same weight all the way through. He likes a progressive feel. He loved the p1000s hydraulic and regular load cell and he would love the p2000s. It has a softer feel at first and progressively gets heavier as you push. That's the difference and the travel on the p2000 can be made to have more or less up to you how you use the springs etc. Hydraulics and the liquid should help that almost mush feel and pre load feel but it should still be progressive which these do not and thats rough to feel imo when I'm used to the progressive hydraulic feel we mostly get. As he explained he's never felt a hydraulic like this one.
@@reviewforthetube6485 as a person that used a couple of hydraulic pedals over the years , the p2000 are not really progressive but more 2 stage , thats the fault with the spring setup that simagic uses and a big reason why i couldnt stand them . And as u know liquid doesnt compress so the only main benefit of an hydraulic system is a dampened feel from the hydraulic system . Subjectively for really minute details and extracting and consistently repeating really fine inputs i found the over dampened feel of the p2000 brake pedal to get it the way and couldnt click with it . Ever since switching to the HE Ultimates I’ve become alot quicker , alot more consistent and alot more in one with my brake pedal
Hi Dan, I only saw your review now, on the brake pedal you didn't mention the fact that you can change the attachment point on the pedal in several places, that will greatly modify the travel and the sensation on the brake, even if they don't give elastomers, with those modifications the sensations change
I'd like to seesome more reviews from this brand. They have some really cool stuff that seems agressively priced, but I just can't find any feedback on their gear at all. They also have some really interesting halo products like a full wraparound display and chassis from actual Formula tubs.
Great review as always, Dan! It's very good to see the increasing competition on the market seemingly starts to have a customer friendly impact on prices. Although I have to say I am not sure if a plastic pedal tray is really a good way to save money in production - or if it is cheaper than a metal plate at all. The only benefit in my opinion is: it's easier to put in to the shape you want as the designer of the product. Asetek has molded aluminium pedal base plates, which is arguably a considerable cost factor - that was also mentioned by their CEO in some of their videos. But yeah... even though those pedals have a more 'lower' price I would prefer a metal plating instead of plastic... In terms of the brake pedal or the way to measure the force in general: I think you're right. Hydraulic systems are just a 'fancier' way to measure the brake force... and I think none are doing it any way better or more realistic than 'conventional' load cell brake pedals. Even in a road car you don't 'feel' the hydraulic, you simply can notice a difference between brake resistance wether the car is running or the engine is off... due to the brake booster. Maybe I overheard it, but I think you don't mention it wether this is the case for these pedals or not: the only advantage of a hydraulic system in my opinion is, that you can build a two stage system, which I as a Asetek Invicta user really do appreciate... but it is also doable with load cell brakes, as proven by some companies on the market. But again, like the simagic pedals a very good option for people stepping up into the high-end region (if you put Simucube Active Pedals out of the equation). And they really look good and thus are also a great option for all people who dislike laser cut bright steel plate DIYish pedals... which I kind of do I must admit... VRS pedals are well designed and there is a 'hype' going for the Nuo Simulation pedals... but honestly, these days with so many pedal sets with solid one-piece pedal arms, looking more like real pedals, being painted or anodized and thus way more 'decent' in their looks... but this also contributes to the fact: there are more very good devices in more and more variations to choose from... a great time to be a sim racer (with a good salary at least, hehehe).
hi, you will be better to try both to feel, and suggest to test P1000 with rumble/haptic kit. because this CPP LITE is included 3 haptics and total price lower than P1000 without rumble kits.
Very good review again Dan :) I have a set og cpp.lite and feel the dampening on the brake as well. But sometimes also a bit of notchyness on the brake. Just a tiny bit when trailing. Perhaps thats what you also felt? How much pressure did you drive with? think I am around 60 bar
Hallo Dan Vielen Dank erstmals für deinen Content. Eine kurze Frage. Wenn du zwischen den Simgrade VX Pro und den Conspite wählen könntest, welche würdest du dir kaufen? Liebe Grüsse aus der Schweiz.
I never ever buy a Pedalset, where I can’t change the pedalangle. Tried that on P1000 and never got a good feeling, because I had to lift the front too much, to get a comfortable point for me.
Question. We all do a lot on gear, set ups and FOV etc. But I struggle toi find anything on sound. What would your recommendations be for sound cards, headphones etc etc?
I’ve had fanetec cal elites, Asetek fortes and then these for about a week. There is a distinct difference from load cell. Not better not worse. They just feel softer and much easier to trail brake. Solid, decent pedals for the price. But I had the opportunity to try before buying so that was a plus. For me, I think they have a better feel to them but will probs forget about it in a month and still won’t be able to nail the braking points…😂😂
Asetek Forte are not proper loadcell - they measure travel only, a good set of load cell pedals works just as well - that being said, nothing wrong with using hydraulics of course
@@DanSuzuki please do your research. They have 100kg load cell and are in fact load cell. If you are going to publish content, you have an absolute responsibility to fact check as many here will be looking at you for guidance when making purchase decisions.
Check my review of the forte, they use a tiny loadcell to measure the travel, not the load 😅 Here is more info: ruclips.net/video/lRdGqPm6jOA/видео.html
@@DanSuzuki I’m sorry Dan, I still stand by my comment. You stated ‘not a proper load cell’… A pedal that measures any pressure is a load cell. Take for instance the csl elites. They measure the tiny movement and flex of the pedal arm itself. There is no such thing as a defined and ‘proper’ load cell pedal. Each is a variation on a theme.
@@Brundlesim Correct, but the Forte don't measure pressure. Take out the Elastomers -> you get the same output. Put in a solid Elastomer -> no more output. Check the video and you'll agree ;) Many other manufacturs use a similar technology on throttle and clutch to measure the travel with a loadcell, this approach doesn't belong in a brake though.
tested for several hours. AC Nordschleife Tourist. Surely no comparison to my Moza pedals. BUT when trailing off the brake slowly it kinda get stuck and does not release cleanly. SInce i am more of a spring guy i just took the "shitty" already crumbly elastomer, or better to say plasticy brick and replaced it with a hard srping. Just from first impressions and pressing the brake pedal it feels way more responsive and does not release in a unsmooth behavior (no steps anymore like stairs and now smooth line in the telemetry). Will report back after my next session with the new spring
Put the elastomers back in. I made some adjustments to the one that was crumbling a bit. Added some hydraulic oil, it wasn't completely full. Transported the remaining air out. Then i properly added bearing grease (firmer consistency) to the axle with the spacers and elastomers. Now everything slips and the brakes doesn't stutter like it did in the beginning. I don't have a spring inside either, as it feels the best as it was intended from Conspit.
I dont like the friction on these brakes its to much pressure everywhre. It foesnt feel progressive at all its one feel and one feel only. I dont enjoy it. P2000s are still better for sure. Its so much more progressive has that nice pe travel like a brake.
Technically you just need a mouse. Race room has it. Left button to go, right to brake. Auto gears. Would probably be smoother then a pads j-stick. Warthunder airbattles are surprisingly playable with mouse
"under the hood" it's reinforced with metal. of course a full metal construction would be nice, but for 599€ for hydraulic pedals including a pedalplate I think it's absolutely fine. a metal heelplate will not feel any better, it will only look better and give you a better feeling in your head :D Conspit also has the CPP (without lite) pedals ... they look like full metal? not sure though since the website is absolutely terrible.
Do you say the same thing with all the plastic pieces in your car? Conspit isn't going to commit market suicide by using cheap parts. This is huge for a market dominated by cork sniffing 1k+ pedal sets
In relationship to springs, I enjoy my VRS. Since I have them I forgot about looking out for pedals.
they also offer perf package separate with elastomers and also offer the whole metal body and even fancy blocker with led in front of the pedals if you want to pay extra for these things.
The conspit doesnt have them but under reseller the italian reseller has them. Also the reseller only few km from my home is the official swiss reseller. they are selling them for 569chf all 3 peddals set. Thats unbeatable price for such a peddal set. I use them for two almost two months now - for me is really great. i‘m new to sim racing and i also use the simhub version. I could not ask for more… just as you said more adjustability. just imagine they would have physical adjustability like xp1 - they would be perfect. but also like this for me - amazing.
Friction/damping feeling in the brake was the main reason i sold my p2000 and went huensinkveld ultimates . Just couldnt get used to it ever after having my p2000 for over a year. Couldnt be happier now
Umm no both side by side ite not the same. The p2000s are progressive these aren't. He was saying the friction as in it feels the same weight all the way through. He likes a progressive feel. He loved the p1000s hydraulic and regular load cell and he would love the p2000s. It has a softer feel at first and progressively gets heavier as you push. That's the difference and the travel on the p2000 can be made to have more or less up to you how you use the springs etc. Hydraulics and the liquid should help that almost mush feel and pre load feel but it should still be progressive which these do not and thats rough to feel imo when I'm used to the progressive hydraulic feel we mostly get. As he explained he's never felt a hydraulic like this one.
@@reviewforthetube6485 as a person that used a couple of hydraulic pedals over the years , the p2000 are not really progressive but more 2 stage , thats the fault with the spring setup that simagic uses and a big reason why i couldnt stand them .
And as u know liquid doesnt compress so the only main benefit of an hydraulic system is a dampened feel from the hydraulic system .
Subjectively for really minute details and extracting and consistently repeating really fine inputs i found the over dampened feel of the p2000 brake pedal to get it the way and couldnt click with it .
Ever since switching to the HE Ultimates I’ve become alot quicker , alot more consistent and alot more in one with my brake pedal
Great review. I am glad I went with the P1000. It comes with springs, so no damping feel
Hi Dan, I only saw your review now, on the brake pedal you didn't mention the fact that you can change the attachment point on the pedal in several places, that will greatly modify the travel and the sensation on the brake, even if they don't give elastomers, with those modifications the sensations change
I'd like to seesome more reviews from this brand. They have some really cool stuff that seems agressively priced, but I just can't find any feedback on their gear at all. They also have some really interesting halo products like a full wraparound display and chassis from actual Formula tubs.
There actually will be very soon 😊
Great review as always, Dan!
It's very good to see the increasing competition on the market seemingly starts to have a customer friendly impact on prices. Although I have to say I am not sure if a plastic pedal tray is really a good way to save money in production - or if it is cheaper than a metal plate at all. The only benefit in my opinion is: it's easier to put in to the shape you want as the designer of the product. Asetek has molded aluminium pedal base plates, which is arguably a considerable cost factor - that was also mentioned by their CEO in some of their videos. But yeah... even though those pedals have a more 'lower' price I would prefer a metal plating instead of plastic...
In terms of the brake pedal or the way to measure the force in general: I think you're right. Hydraulic systems are just a 'fancier' way to measure the brake force... and I think none are doing it any way better or more realistic than 'conventional' load cell brake pedals. Even in a road car you don't 'feel' the hydraulic, you simply can notice a difference between brake resistance wether the car is running or the engine is off... due to the brake booster. Maybe I overheard it, but I think you don't mention it wether this is the case for these pedals or not: the only advantage of a hydraulic system in my opinion is, that you can build a two stage system, which I as a Asetek Invicta user really do appreciate... but it is also doable with load cell brakes, as proven by some companies on the market.
But again, like the simagic pedals a very good option for people stepping up into the high-end region (if you put Simucube Active Pedals out of the equation). And they really look good and thus are also a great option for all people who dislike laser cut bright steel plate DIYish pedals... which I kind of do I must admit... VRS pedals are well designed and there is a 'hype' going for the Nuo Simulation pedals... but honestly, these days with so many pedal sets with solid one-piece pedal arms, looking more like real pedals, being painted or anodized and thus way more 'decent' in their looks... but this also contributes to the fact: there are more very good devices in more and more variations to choose from... a great time to be a sim racer (with a good salary at least, hehehe).
Hi mate thaks for your review. I saw you review about sim magic p1000 too. Have you a preference beetwen the two pedals set? Thank you very much!
hi, you will be better to try both to feel, and suggest to test P1000 with rumble/haptic kit. because this CPP LITE is included 3 haptics and total price lower than P1000 without rumble kits.
Very good review again Dan :) I have a set og cpp.lite and feel the dampening on the brake as well. But sometimes also a bit of notchyness on the brake. Just a tiny bit when trailing. Perhaps thats what you also felt? How much pressure did you drive with? think I am around 60 bar
had the same issue
put in bearing grase so the dampers stick to the spacers. since then i did not feel anything bad when trailing off
@@mikologatschi thanks I will try it
great video . i would love a video that shows the backround wheels wall =D
Hallo Dan
Vielen Dank erstmals für deinen Content. Eine kurze Frage. Wenn du zwischen den Simgrade VX Pro und den Conspite wählen könntest, welche würdest du dir kaufen? Liebe Grüsse aus der Schweiz.
Simgrade :)
I never ever buy a Pedalset, where I can’t change the pedalangle. Tried that on P1000 and never got a good feeling, because I had to lift the front too much, to get a comfortable point for me.
Almost went with conspit, but its hard to beat european engineering, so i went with Simgrade vx pro.
Question. We all do a lot on gear, set ups and FOV etc. But I struggle toi find anything on sound. What would your recommendations be for sound cards, headphones etc etc?
For simracing? Pretty irrelevant imo, whatever is comfortable for you is the best advice I can give
Haptics look like an improved version of what you get on the Fanatec CSP V3.
amazing👍 thinking of getting these or the p1000. these ar cheaper so
Great video as always, would you review the p1 mistral ? I would like to have your opinion on it
yes, coming next :) tldr: great pedals, haptics could be better
I’ve had fanetec cal elites, Asetek fortes and then these for about a week.
There is a distinct difference from load cell. Not better not worse. They just feel softer and much easier to trail brake.
Solid, decent pedals for the price.
But I had the opportunity to try before buying so that was a plus.
For me, I think they have a better feel to them but will probs forget about it in a month and still won’t be able to nail the braking points…😂😂
Asetek Forte are not proper loadcell - they measure travel only, a good set of load cell pedals works just as well - that being said, nothing wrong with using hydraulics of course
@@DanSuzuki please do your research. They have 100kg load cell and are in fact load cell.
If you are going to publish content, you have an absolute responsibility to fact check as many here will be looking at you for guidance when making purchase decisions.
Check my review of the forte, they use a tiny loadcell to measure the travel, not the load 😅 Here is more info: ruclips.net/video/lRdGqPm6jOA/видео.html
@@DanSuzuki I’m sorry Dan, I still stand by my comment. You stated ‘not a proper load cell’… A pedal that measures any pressure is a load cell.
Take for instance the csl elites. They measure the tiny movement and flex of the pedal arm itself.
There is no such thing as a defined and ‘proper’ load cell pedal. Each is a variation on a theme.
@@Brundlesim Correct, but the Forte don't measure pressure. Take out the Elastomers -> you get the same output. Put in a solid Elastomer -> no more output. Check the video and you'll agree ;) Many other manufacturs use a similar technology on throttle and clutch to measure the travel with a loadcell, this approach doesn't belong in a brake though.
haha mine will arrive in few hours
tested for several hours. AC Nordschleife Tourist.
Surely no comparison to my Moza pedals.
BUT when trailing off the brake slowly it kinda get stuck and does not release cleanly.
SInce i am more of a spring guy i just took the "shitty" already crumbly elastomer, or better to say plasticy brick and replaced it with a hard srping.
Just from first impressions and pressing the brake pedal it feels way more responsive and does not release in a unsmooth behavior (no steps anymore like stairs and now smooth line in the telemetry).
Will report back after my next session with the new spring
Will also delete the second elastomer
Put the elastomers back in.
I made some adjustments to the one that was crumbling a bit.
Added some hydraulic oil, it wasn't completely full. Transported the remaining air out.
Then i properly added bearing grease (firmer consistency) to the axle with the spacers and elastomers. Now everything slips and the brakes doesn't stutter like it did in the beginning.
I don't have a spring inside either, as it feels the best as it was intended from Conspit.
There is a elastomers kit.. tz sim
opinion about logitech g pro?
Wow, a microsoft flight simulator streamer who does Simracing.
I'm speechless
Sorry I might be a bit slow and idk if ur joking but I only know him from sim racing🙏💀
@@That3321 It's a joke. :P
I dont like the friction on these brakes its to much pressure everywhre. It foesnt feel progressive at all its one feel and one feel only. I dont enjoy it. P2000s are still better for sure.
Its so much more progressive has that nice pe travel like a brake.
Pushing on a elastomer in a metal tube and trying to move it inside - sounds like a lot of friction to me. Thx for the review :)
elastomers on open designs tend to break, so is a balance
No, for sim racing, a linear spring is all you need.
no, for simracing, you dont NEED pedals, just a joystick. See how needs works?
Technically you just need a mouse.
Race room has it.
Left button to go, right to brake.
Auto gears.
Would probably be smoother then a pads j-stick.
Warthunder airbattles are surprisingly playable with mouse
I cannot agree with you when you say for this price plastic is OK. No way for that price should have plastic in the base !
yes but do take into consideration the hydraulic brake and the haptic motors
"under the hood" it's reinforced with metal. of course a full metal construction would be nice, but for 599€ for hydraulic pedals including a pedalplate I think it's absolutely fine. a metal heelplate will not feel any better, it will only look better and give you a better feeling in your head :D Conspit also has the CPP (without lite) pedals ... they look like full metal? not sure though since the website is absolutely terrible.
You are dramatizing a lot
Do you say the same thing with all the plastic pieces in your car? Conspit isn't going to commit market suicide by using cheap parts. This is huge for a market dominated by cork sniffing 1k+ pedal sets
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