You should retest the turbine in a condition that is not a 10 windspeed. I'm thinking that 10 is an absolute maximum and would not increase regardless of the conditions. If a turbine jumped from 1 to 10, then I'd say confirmed
Isnt it just because fire helicopters dont flush houses? They flush trees because that makes the most sense, but houses on fire are taken down by the fire departement in busses? 🚒
The fire myth "confirmed" experiment suffers from an error. You need to try the experiment again with clicking the house fires first. Even though the game is paused, it is likely queueing disasters in the order they are engaged and leads to the fire helicopters prioritizing whichever fire you activated first. Since you did the forest fire before doing the house fire, this is likely why we see helis going for trees first.
is that a myth, or just a random question you came up with and are curious about? myths are generally more factual statments with less question marks in them.
@@anthonyluc5981 kinda both. i heard that because a bridge rises, it's slightly longer, thus cars will take the straight ground road, but i've never seen it tested, so I was wondering.
hello, I have a request, can you add more onto Engitopia such as an airport where planes have to fly through high rise buildings to land and take off. fun fact, there was an airport in Hong Kong that had this property, this aiport has hsut down due to saftey concerns and this airport is what inspired this idea. also, HAPPY NEW YEAR
For the fire prioritize forest over buildings I think it goes for the fire that was started first since you clicked the forest then buildings, and when you started the 3rd fire at the other end it did that last because of the order you set the fires
For the fire preference, clearly the next thing to test is to set up that again, but this time light the house on fire first. It could be that they just go to whatever is on fire first.
14:00 I have a feeling that the fire helicopters prioritize the forest due to the fact that fire helicopters aren't used on houses normally. If you did the same test with a normal fire station, I think that they would prioritize the homes.
One disasters I dont see you using often is thunderstorms/lightning. Using the Pit/donut from engitopia... can lightning strike inside the hole or will the lightning travel the shortest distance to the ground and hit the elevated borders instead?
I love love love this channel and your cities skylines videos. I don't miss 1. I've even gone back n watched the old ones. Keep up the amazing work. You're awesome
I think the firewatch tower wall works because it creates a fire break. You could test it again with just a fire break and see if the game registers it or if it's just because of the towers.
This is just a guess on my part but I think the reason the helicopters seemed to change priorities when you created a new fire has to do with when each fire was started. They initially prioritized the trees because you set that fire first and then after it was taken care of, they prioritized the houses over the trees due to that fire having been set before the new one.
Disasters would be a lot cooler if you could build things like tornado sirens or flood warnings, or some sort of broadcast station for radio and tv and that would be an upgrade. Basically a preventative measure that would cost money up front but make citizens happier and lower rebuilding costs.
I was a wildland firefighter for a few weeks, so lemme tell you: even Alaska needs help with their fires pretty often And if I remember right there were politicians pushing for wildland firefighters to prioritize trees over homes. I believe it was specifically old growth trees but it's been a while
I just had an idea for a sustainable water/power supply for a city. Have a dam to store sewage and provide power. Have a second basin after that dam and put floating trash collectors through it. Have a second dam for more power and a pump in a basin after this. In a stair-style setup for all this. Reasonably sized of course.
honestly, it makes sense that the fire heli's go for trees, fire trucks can reach houses and are cheaper, and house fires don't tend to spread as quick as bush fires, if you put out the trees you may sacrifice a few houses but you would probably prevent further chaos
You should put a whole mini neighborhood in the small place you buried the wind turbine! Also, you should try a myth about seeing if you allow all vehicles on a road, then set no vehicles allowed, would the previously driving cars stay or be deleted?
Hey RCE, just a thought I think it might differ if you keep the trees and the buildings separate and start with lighting the buildings on fire first for the helicopters prioritising trees myth....
I mean... on the fire helicopters one, realistically a water drop on a building would generally just deal more damage to the building. You drop a large mass of heavy anything, liquids (or powders) included, it's going to smash stuff up. CAL FIRE has got a drop safety video on RUclips that shows a car getting absolutely destroyed by a low altitude phos-chek drop. :P
Almost 3/4's of a wind turbines mass is in it's foundation which are concrete. The typical wind turbine has between 600 and 1000 tons of concrete in its base. The formula is supposed to be 243 - 400 tons per MW installed with a typical wind turbine being around 2 - 2.5 MW. In Ohio the installation of 152 2-MW turbines required 30,000 tons of concrete.
The fire helicopters run off of an ordered priority list of fires. The order of priorities is as follows. Proximity. Age of fire (which was set first) Spread of fire So the closest, oldest, biggest. When the last house was on fire, it was part of the original blaze, whereas the second fire in the trees was newer and was considered less of a priority.
He did, but that was the point of stopping in-game time first. However, it's pretty likely that the fire heli depot dispatches vehicles to incidents of the same severity in the order they're added to the script's stack (meaning the order in which they spawn). If you pay close attention, you can see that the station "knows" there's going to be a fire before the fire becomes visible to the player.
The fire helicopter theory should be retested with no regular fire departments active. The way this game's matchmaking works is that the houses are likely to be assigned trucks, even if they're far away, due to the larger number of "buyers". Basically, three fire helicopters are competing with dozens of trucks for the buildings, while nothing competes with helicopters for the trees. That said, I didn't actually see any regular fire trucks in the footage.
2:05 Myth: If you place a wall of fire watch towers and then remove all of the towers, would the forest fire still be stopped? (I mean it kinda does just removes a straight line of trees so...)
You should repeat the test with fire helicopter priority on a larger scale. I don't think it actually prioritises anything but a bigger fire or more helicopters might give more accurate results
I was most interested when you were following Amanda and how she moved house. Would like to see more of this type of thing where you focus on a person/family or building.
The fire must prioritize what will cause the fire to spread the fastest. I guess that trees have less HP than houses and thus spread fires faster as a result, hence the prioritzing of the trees. Or perhaps it prioritze the FIRST fire that was lit, here it was the trees.
Hmm? What kind of engineer? Most people just wear what ever they're company supplies, from what I've seen in Canada. But that's speaking as a none engineer, so happy to be wrong cause I like to learn lol
It's usually White in my country but it depends. Yellow is for more construction worker or the sub-contractor while white is for the engineer and the executives. There's also red for safety officer, blue for electrical worker, green for environmental work and orange for guest.
He has explained a few times that the color depends on what they're doing a few times - but for a lot of places it literally just matters what is offered by the company unless the country requires a specific one.
Technically at 13:10 you created a forest fire first.Logically the fire fighters would target that fire first before moving tot he houses. Basically it's a matter of first come, first serve and not of valuing trees over houses or visa versa.
What if you dig as low as possible. Then raise the gound level just a tiny bit and then sinkhole it. Will the sinkhole be only that tiny bit deep untill it hits the ground of the map or will it create a true hole?
"We found that they're completely inflammable" Counter-intuitive as it might be, "inflammable" actually means the same thing as "flammable," not the opposite. What you actually meant was "non-flammable" or simply "fireproof"
tree fire will spread faster and I think the game assume fire trucks will arrive fire and until they don't, homes will move up priority list. helicopters seems to focus of forest fires first when there fire trucks around.
Have you considered playing stormworks? you can help architects that a stranded on the ocean on defect ship, pick them up, and throgh them into a forrest fire?
You should try the game World of Goo. It’s about building structures to get goo to pipes and it’s got some engineering concepts like poly bridge. Plus it has a cool storyline
I believe they prioritize forest fires over structure fires because forest fires spread faster and can cover larger distances which could spread to other districts in the city....could be wrong tho
When I first saw the thumbnail, I panicked thinking in which is state did a tornado broke out after the snow storm alert 😅😅 The news headline thumbnail creativity is getting out of hand phew.
the fire helicopters always have a coin, head is help the trees and the other side is help the people. there are 9.9 sides with a head on it and 0.1 sides dont have a head on it. pretty normal coin to flip, right?
"forest fires won't spread in snowy map" made me lauugh "That's BS" the instant I heard the myth. I had so many fires run though trees in Snowflat Rivers I had to add additional fire protections. If you want to spread fire thoughout a city in the game, fill it with trees. Ask me how I know. The max windspeed is 10 ya goof. It looks like the fire crews go to the firt thing that lights on fire.
Also - even irl fires spread pretty fast in the winter because despite the snow, there's still a bunch of dead and dry things and the air is dry which allows it to travel more. That's why hot + Dry conditions = high fire risk. Because DRY = Risk.
When two or more tornadoes combine it just makes a very large tornado. An F5 tornado ripped through Oklahoma City and it had three vortexes within it .
Legitimately - when I lived in Wisconsin, there was a double water spout on Lake Michigan right off the coast right where I could see it from my dorm [sadly I hadn't looked outside and actually ignored the tornado sirens since people were still walking along the campus [not running for shelter] and it didn't look windy or anything, and despite being later told the RA came running through the halls, pounding on doors, I never heard any of that NOR commotion in the halls]] and it was kind of scary and beautiful in the pictures. I was so scared at myself for being so dumb [though our shelter was the basement of the building which had been known to flood and the first thing spouts do is drop water when they hit land so admittedly, the dorm closest to the water was probably not a safe basement to hide in]. BUT I do remember that that storm also spawned the tornado that ripped through Illinois that year and it blew my mind because I saw footage of that thing and it was HUGE. It was like, short and VERY Wide and now I wonder if that's why. I don't think it was an F5 - but it might've been. But in the video it's just VERY VERY WIDE and I had only ever seen the tall thin ones [yeah I know technically even those are actually quite wide but still]. It was ... amazing and scary.
About myth with tornadonado: What if they didnt combine because they were maximum size (severity 10). So maybe they will combine if they have lower severity level...
You should retest the turbine in a condition that is not a 10 windspeed. I'm thinking that 10 is an absolute maximum and would not increase regardless of the conditions. If a turbine jumped from 1 to 10, then I'd say confirmed
He did architect "science"
Myth Idea: Will cars driving up vertical roads be washed away by a waterfall?
Hmmmmmmmmmm…
I think water only affects vehicles if it's flooding so I'm thinking no
I mean if they’re driving up vertical roads the. They should have a solution for rainfall/ water if they can figure out how to make cars go up
Yes
A waterfall in a vertical road is just a river. As long as you drive on the road you'll be safe.
I wonder if the fire patrol went to the trees first because the fire technically started there first? It kinda looks like it attacks the oldest fire
Isnt it just because fire helicopters dont flush houses? They flush trees because that makes the most sense, but houses on fire are taken down by the fire departement in busses? 🚒
@@chantalgiesen1801 no you could see them putting out houses
For the tornado turbine thing, the wind was already high. Perhaps in a place where there isn't already wind there would be a different result?
RCE always finds a way to annihilate something
The fire myth "confirmed" experiment suffers from an error. You need to try the experiment again with clicking the house fires first. Even though the game is paused, it is likely queueing disasters in the order they are engaged and leads to the fire helicopters prioritizing whichever fire you activated first. Since you did the forest fire before doing the house fire, this is likely why we see helis going for trees first.
1:47 - NOOOO THE ROUNDABOUT!!!! Like some youtuber’s son called Biffa would maybe say, as Matt’s comment said, roundabouts a sacred
Heres a myth for you.
if you place a road next to a bridge of equal length, going to the same place, will the drivers ignore the bridge?
Absolutely unless the road is full by how many people go onto the road instead of the bridge
how is that. posible?
maybe im an idiot
is that a myth, or just a random question you came up with and are curious about? myths are generally more factual statments with less question marks in them.
@@anthonyluc5981 kinda both. i heard that because a bridge rises, it's slightly longer, thus cars will take the straight ground road, but i've never seen it tested, so I was wondering.
hello, I have a request, can you add more onto Engitopia such as an airport where planes have to fly through high rise buildings to land and take off. fun fact, there was an airport in Hong Kong that had this property, this aiport has hsut down due to saftey concerns and this airport is what inspired this idea. also, HAPPY NEW YEAR
For the fire prioritize forest over buildings I think it goes for the fire that was started first since you clicked the forest then buildings, and when you started the 3rd fire at the other end it did that last because of the order you set the fires
For the fire preference, clearly the next thing to test is to set up that again, but this time light the house on fire first. It could be that they just go to whatever is on fire first.
i was getting worried we didn't had any strong shape, fortunately matt created one by accident, all good now!
Myth: Mat can go an episode without drawing a knob
thats def gonna be busted
Nice lines at 9:13... I wonder if you could create a full artwork using tornadoes and other natural disasters?
14:00
I have a feeling that the fire helicopters prioritize the forest due to the fact that fire helicopters aren't used on houses normally. If you did the same test with a normal fire station, I think that they would prioritize the homes.
Happy New year mat! 😄
Happy new year to you 😂
Revisit the meganado myth with smaller tornados please, 10 would have been the max and not have room to combine?
One disasters I dont see you using often is thunderstorms/lightning. Using the Pit/donut from engitopia... can lightning strike inside the hole or will the lightning travel the shortest distance to the ground and hit the elevated borders instead?
I love love love this channel and your cities skylines videos. I don't miss 1. I've even gone back n watched the old ones. Keep up the amazing work. You're awesome
I think the firewatch tower wall works because it creates a fire break. You could test it again with just a fire break and see if the game registers it or if it's just because of the towers.
So a completely buried turbine won't catch wide, but what about one in a thin ravine?
No, burried windmills never work
This is just a guess on my part but I think the reason the helicopters seemed to change priorities when you created a new fire has to do with when each fire was started. They initially prioritized the trees because you set that fire first and then after it was taken care of, they prioritized the houses over the trees due to that fire having been set before the new one.
Disasters would be a lot cooler if you could build things like tornado sirens or flood warnings, or some sort of broadcast station for radio and tv and that would be an upgrade. Basically a preventative measure that would cost money up front but make citizens happier and lower rebuilding costs.
I was a wildland firefighter for a few weeks, so lemme tell you: even Alaska needs help with their fires pretty often
And if I remember right there were politicians pushing for wildland firefighters to prioritize trees over homes. I believe it was specifically old growth trees but it's been a while
I just had an idea for a sustainable water/power supply for a city. Have a dam to store sewage and provide power. Have a second basin after that dam and put floating trash collectors through it. Have a second dam for more power and a pump in a basin after this. In a stair-style setup for all this. Reasonably sized of course.
I still wonder how small of a zone you can make for a city to spring up. 1x1? 2x2?
2:39 ‘And then fast forward three time- oh its happening happy new year’ is funny
Idea for a myth: You can stop the tsunami by digging a deep hole ‘till the depth of the map and then putting the mega drainage systems in.
To myself I always sing "Welcome back to Ci-ty Sky Lines!" to the tune of your Timberborners song!
honestly, it makes sense that the fire heli's go for trees, fire trucks can reach houses and are cheaper, and house fires don't tend to spread as quick as bush fires, if you put out the trees you may sacrifice a few houses but you would probably prevent further chaos
You should put a whole mini neighborhood in the small place you buried the wind turbine!
Also, you should try a myth about seeing if you allow all vehicles on a road, then set no vehicles allowed, would the previously driving cars stay or be deleted?
Hey RCE, just a thought I think it might differ if you keep the trees and the buildings separate and start with lighting the buildings on fire first for the helicopters prioritising trees myth....
Matt: An architect must have built this bridge
Also Matt: Built the bridge
I mean... on the fire helicopters one, realistically a water drop on a building would generally just deal more damage to the building. You drop a large mass of heavy anything, liquids (or powders) included, it's going to smash stuff up. CAL FIRE has got a drop safety video on RUclips that shows a car getting absolutely destroyed by a low altitude phos-chek drop. :P
Almost 3/4's of a wind turbines mass is in it's foundation which are concrete. The typical wind turbine has between 600 and 1000 tons of concrete in its base. The formula is supposed to be 243 - 400 tons per MW installed with a typical wind turbine being around 2 - 2.5 MW. In Ohio the installation of 152 2-MW turbines required 30,000 tons of concrete.
Myth: you can flip a boat upside down and it will still be completely fine
12:04 The best MYTH yet!
Myth idea: using the speed limit variation on a road - different vehicles will slow down at different speeds
Myth: the developers will add RCE and Paddy into the game
The fire helicopters run off of an ordered priority list of fires. The order of priorities is as follows.
Proximity.
Age of fire (which was set first)
Spread of fire
So the closest, oldest, biggest. When the last house was on fire, it was part of the original blaze, whereas the second fire in the trees was newer and was considered less of a priority.
14:07 Unless they just prioritize which one burned longer. You did click forest fire first :P
He did, but that was the point of stopping in-game time first. However, it's pretty likely that the fire heli depot dispatches vehicles to incidents of the same severity in the order they're added to the script's stack (meaning the order in which they spawn). If you pay close attention, you can see that the station "knows" there's going to be a fire before the fire becomes visible to the player.
This channel is incredible
For the buried wind turbine: what if you punch a horizontal tunnel all the way through. Would the wind find its way in?
The fire helicopter theory should be retested with no regular fire departments active. The way this game's matchmaking works is that the houses are likely to be assigned trucks, even if they're far away, due to the larger number of "buyers". Basically, three fire helicopters are competing with dozens of trucks for the buildings, while nothing competes with helicopters for the trees. That said, I didn't actually see any regular fire trucks in the footage.
2:05 Myth: If you place a wall of fire watch towers and then remove all of the towers, would the forest fire still be stopped?
(I mean it kinda does just removes a straight line of trees so...)
I wonder if the fire priority is that they aim for the spot of fire that's been burning the longest, and work down the order of burn time
1:12 you can actually confirm this by trying to edit the fire watch tower inside the content editor.
You should repeat the test with fire helicopter priority on a larger scale. I don't think it actually prioritises anything but a bigger fire or more helicopters might give more accurate results
I was most interested when you were following Amanda and how she moved house.
Would like to see more of this type of thing where you focus on a person/family or building.
4:40 It's the Backrooms ! Nooooooo !
The fire must prioritize what will cause the fire to spread the fastest. I guess that trees have less HP than houses and thus spread fires faster as a result, hence the prioritzing of the trees.
Or perhaps it prioritze the FIRST fire that was lit, here it was the trees.
I actually expected the wind turbine to shut off during tornado because IRL there's cut-off speed or the limit speed to save the turbines components
Please more city skilines
Myth idea: If a forest fire gradually spreads outside city limits, fire helicopters will let it burn.
After learning about the lowest level you can in cityskylines I got to wondering did you put the bottom of your poocanos all the way to the bottom?
In your irl area, are engineer hats actually orange? They are white here in canada :p
Yellow or white in norway. Not sure if its regulated too much
Hmm? What kind of engineer? Most people just wear what ever they're company supplies, from what I've seen in Canada. But that's speaking as a none engineer, so happy to be wrong cause I like to learn lol
It's usually White in my country but it depends. Yellow is for more construction worker or the sub-contractor while white is for the engineer and the executives. There's also red for safety officer, blue for electrical worker, green for environmental work and orange for guest.
He has explained a few times that the color depends on what they're doing a few times - but for a lot of places it literally just matters what is offered by the company unless the country requires a specific one.
Cool thanks guys :p
Fire helis care about the forest. So if a house next to the forest might focus the house to prevent it spreading to more forest
11:17 She probably didn't since people in Cities skylines can get out their cars and 'put them into their pocket'
Technically at 13:10 you created a forest fire first.Logically the fire fighters would target that fire first before moving tot he houses. Basically it's a matter of first come, first serve and not of valuing trees over houses or visa versa.
Myth: The efficient shape can stop forest fires/Tornadoes/Tsunamis
Myth idea: Will snowfall turn burned ground immediately white?
I love ur city skylines videos Matt keep it up mate 👍
What if you dig as low as possible. Then raise the gound level just a tiny bit and then sinkhole it. Will the sinkhole be only that tiny bit deep untill it hits the ground of the map or will it create a true hole?
wtf that guy casually BIKING ON HIS SKATE?? 14:09
Yes. Yes he is lol
a myth: Can a row of Skyscrapers stop a Forest Fire?
Merry new year
13:05 That is not a forest fire.. that is a Boosh Blaze
"We found that they're completely inflammable"
Counter-intuitive as it might be, "inflammable" actually means the same thing as "flammable," not the opposite. What you actually meant was "non-flammable" or simply "fireproof"
tree fire will spread faster and I think the game assume fire trucks will arrive fire and until they don't, homes will move up priority list. helicopters seems to focus of forest fires first when there fire trucks around.
14:24 do fire engines care more about house than trees?
For the fire myth. Try paused but houses then forest. It might just be based on order of starting on fire? [You did forest then houses]
People prioritize work over safety when called in the emergency shelters.
Emergency buses will ignore traffic rules
A shelter will resist a meteor
Have you considered playing stormworks? you can help architects that a stranded on the ocean on defect ship, pick them up, and throgh them into a forrest fire?
now to do the reverse of the wind turbine test. if you elevate it really high, will output maximize?
You should try the game World of Goo. It’s about building structures to get goo to pipes and it’s got some engineering concepts like poly bridge.
Plus it has a cool storyline
Happy new years!!!
I believe they prioritize forest fires over structure fires because forest fires spread faster and can cover larger distances which could spread to other districts in the city....could be wrong tho
I once heard that you could stop a normal (5.5) tsunami with a sikhole of severity 10.0
When I first saw the thumbnail, I panicked thinking in which is state did a tornado broke out after the snow storm alert 😅😅
The news headline thumbnail creativity is getting out of hand phew.
Maybe the house was prioritized before you set the trees on fire, so the helicopter was already on route
Myth idea: You cannot create a city that Biffa can’t fix.
the fire helicopters always have a coin, head is help the trees and the other side is help the people. there are 9.9 sides with a head on it and 0.1 sides dont have a head on it. pretty normal coin to flip, right?
In case you were curious, RUclipsr @AllenPan owns the merchandising rights for Mythbusters. Maybe you two could collab on a shirt.
Myth: you can subscribe to RCE
Add this is the next Cities Skylines video it a perfect way to subscribe
14:45 I think it will put out the newest fire.
HAPPY NEW YEAR
"forest fires won't spread in snowy map" made me lauugh "That's BS" the instant I heard the myth. I had so many fires run though trees in Snowflat Rivers I had to add additional fire protections. If you want to spread fire thoughout a city in the game, fill it with trees. Ask me how I know.
The max windspeed is 10 ya goof.
It looks like the fire crews go to the firt thing that lights on fire.
Also - even irl fires spread pretty fast in the winter because despite the snow, there's still a bunch of dead and dry things and the air is dry which allows it to travel more. That's why hot + Dry conditions = high fire risk. Because DRY = Risk.
Slightly inspired, you should see if a tunnel will allow enough wind to let the wind turbine turn while buried
Ending the year off with a bang!
When two or more tornadoes combine it just makes a very large tornado. An F5 tornado ripped through Oklahoma City and it had three vortexes within it .
Legitimately - when I lived in Wisconsin, there was a double water spout on Lake Michigan right off the coast right where I could see it from my dorm [sadly I hadn't looked outside and actually ignored the tornado sirens since people were still walking along the campus [not running for shelter] and it didn't look windy or anything, and despite being later told the RA came running through the halls, pounding on doors, I never heard any of that NOR commotion in the halls]] and it was kind of scary and beautiful in the pictures. I was so scared at myself for being so dumb [though our shelter was the basement of the building which had been known to flood and the first thing spouts do is drop water when they hit land so admittedly, the dorm closest to the water was probably not a safe basement to hide in]. BUT I do remember that that storm also spawned the tornado that ripped through Illinois that year and it blew my mind because I saw footage of that thing and it was HUGE. It was like, short and VERY Wide and now I wonder if that's why. I don't think it was an F5 - but it might've been. But in the video it's just VERY VERY WIDE and I had only ever seen the tall thin ones [yeah I know technically even those are actually quite wide but still]. It was ... amazing and scary.
@@Crow_Smith Several F5s that ripped through Oklahoma were a mile wide at the base. So it could've been.
4:39 Bathrooms moment
The fire helicopters prioritize forest fires because house fires are normally covered by fire departments with fire engines.
About myth with tornadonado: What if they didnt combine because they were maximum size (severity 10). So maybe they will combine if they have lower severity level...
3:30 10 is the max wind speed so it might have worked if it was not maxed out.
The pillars on the Sydney Harbour Bridge are purely decorative, the bridge can stand without them
Myth for RCE to bust
In a city completely closed off from the outside world will the population continue to grow?
Mith: you can build an aqueduct made of rocks without flooding underneath
Myth: the top of a tornado will be wider, the further down the tornado goes into an hole
happy new year to eb
8:29 matt saying railroads and traintracks arent the same