I Tested EVERY Ethernet Cable... You WON'T Believe the Results!

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  • Опубликовано: 22 дек 2024

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  • @landpet
    @landpet  5 дней назад +18

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    • @Taluvian
      @Taluvian 2 дня назад

      @@landpet Also consider STP (Shielded) vs UTP (Unshielded). There are also different types of shield cable, S/UTP meaning the pairs are unshielded with braided shield around them all, and S/FTP meaning each pair is shielded with foil and a braided shield around them all. S/FTP will probably work much better than UTP, even if only rated cat 5e or cat 6.
      Also stay away from CCA, copper coated aluminum. It's cheap, but it's also garbage. You want pure copper cables.

    • @Pyrrho_
      @Pyrrho_ 2 дня назад

      "EVERY" Ethernet cable would add Cat 3, cat 5 (non E) and cat6a categories to your list. UTP vs STP vs FTP vs S/FTP vs DAC cable types. T568a vs T568B wiring. RJ45 vs GG45/ARJ45 vs M12 X connectors,. Straight-through vs crossover vs roll-over pin configs. Cables with custom shielding for burying or other applications, etc.

    • @lolerie
      @lolerie День назад

      @@landpet you misunderstand how it works. To fully saturate the connection you need to upload and download simultaniously at 10 gbit/s. That can be achieved with speedtest-cli on github.

    • @lolerie
      @lolerie День назад

      @@landpet you need to download and upload simultaniously to saturate the link. You test is x2 less data.

  • @alexanderlakey8483
    @alexanderlakey8483 5 дней назад +838

    Sorry, at the lengths you are testing it makes no difference. The whole point is how crosstalk and interference impacts longer cables..

    • @landpet
      @landpet  5 дней назад +113

      I actually wanted to know and some have asked as well. I genuinely didn’t think it would hit these speeds. The interesting question would.m be at what distance it makes a difference

    • @AndrewBatiuk
      @AndrewBatiuk 5 дней назад +89

      @@landpetsounds like content for a follow up video!

    • @hariranormal5584
      @hariranormal5584 5 дней назад +28

      right, short distances hardly matter

    • @alexanderlakey8483
      @alexanderlakey8483 5 дней назад +49

      ​@@landpettry 25 metres.. that should show you a difference and 25m patch cables are available.

    • @minixtvbox
      @minixtvbox 4 дня назад

      Yes

  • @Brewdog2001
    @Brewdog2001 4 дня назад +106

    If you want to show how these cables really get effected, get longer cables and an RF source that is near a harmonic of the wavelength that the ethernet is using and watch how much that effects your speeds per cable. That will really show that its about crosstalk, and interference across the length of a cable. Remember a random length of wire is basically an entenna.

    • @rogerphelps9939
      @rogerphelps9939 3 дня назад +2

      There is no such thing as "the wavelengh the ethernet is using." Ethernet is wideband.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  2 дня назад +3

      I did a cat5e cable length test from 3ft to 300ft: ruclips.net/video/zACK7Aka4Us/видео.html
      But I didn't do anything special other run the speed tests

    • @GalokVonGreshnak
      @GalokVonGreshnak 4 часа назад

      ​@@rogerphelps9939what the hell are you talking about, dude. This has nothing to do with transmission over ethernet.

  • @marksapollo
    @marksapollo 5 дней назад +360

    Cat 6A is all anyone needs. Cat 7 is a fake standard as the official spec of it doesn't use RJ45, If you need Cat 8 speeds you should really be looking at fibre.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  5 дней назад +32

      cat6a does deliver 10Gbps speeds, should be golden with that.

    • @x12flare73
      @x12flare73 5 дней назад +42

      Also those cat 7/8 cables you see on Amazon are usually just badly made Cat5e cables using CCA so it’s best to avoid those.

    • @defencebangladesh4068
      @defencebangladesh4068 5 дней назад +1

      Yep

    • @ram64man
      @ram64man 4 дня назад +13

      i disagree, shielded cat 7 is superior, to cat 6E, sure there is the limitation of 150 ft but that is fine for domestic, further more with domestic electrical 6 and 6e do get affected especially on + 6amp - 32 amp circuits, i never buy premade i agree that you don't get what your paying for, and opt for cat 8 keystones. its great for 2.5 g , the issue with fiber adapters get super hot and unsuitable for domestic, its not as flexible for install and cable is super expensive, plus you would need a break out router in room that would be compatible usally taking it to 2,5gbit anyway, the only time i run fiber is if in a property that needs to go external annex or greater than 1900ft or usually multi apartment dwelling scenario, with 4- 10gb Ethernet circuit incoming, to central 10gb central lev 3 switch/router.

    • @marksapollo
      @marksapollo 4 дня назад +9

      @ firstly it’s cat 6’A’, secondly cat 7 with RJ45 is not the cat 7 spec, it is a fake spec that doesn’t actually exist and was made up just to shift more cables, but cat 6A is better as it’s the set spec that you can buy. Cat 7 is meant to be used with TERA or GG45 connectors, GG45 is compatible with RJ45 equipment though, I believe it’s to do with the shielding in the cable and the grounding required to make it work properly. Cat 7 also was never ratified by the IEEE as it’s proprietary, if you don’t use the proper connectors and grounding, all that shielding is wasted and serves no purpose.

  • @NotHimJim
    @NotHimJim 5 дней назад +141

    I have several cat 5E long runs in the house and they can all achieve what my equipment can handle (2.5Gbps).

    • @FiveOhWill
      @FiveOhWill 5 дней назад +4

      Same for me. Just one long run though.

    • @Solkre82
      @Solkre82 5 дней назад +4

      2.5Gb is the savior of 5E

    • @defencebangladesh4068
      @defencebangladesh4068 5 дней назад +1

      Same here.
      They also send data farther than cat6

    • @landpet
      @landpet  5 дней назад +1

      Oh nice! How long is your longest run?

    • @defencebangladesh4068
      @defencebangladesh4068 5 дней назад +3

      @@landpet mines are 100m

  • @TheUweRoss
    @TheUweRoss 3 дня назад +79

    Way back in 1996 when I built my house, 10BASE-T and CAT-5 cabling were the hot thing, so I installed CAT-5 all thought the place before the drywall went up. Some of the runs are well over 50 meters. Today, it all runs gigabit just fine and I really can't see needing more than that.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  3 дня назад +5

      Nice!

    • @mykolapliashechnykov8701
      @mykolapliashechnykov8701 2 дня назад +7

      It will likely run 2.5G no questions asked.

    • @clovislyme6195
      @clovislyme6195 2 дня назад +1

      About the same time I set up a home office this bungalow. Wife not entirely happy about me crawling around in loft, drilling holes in the ceilings, and running trunking for Cat 5 down the walls. Still going strong.

    • @James_Knott
      @James_Knott 2 дня назад +8

      Gigabit Ethernet was designed to operate over 100M of plain CAT5 cable, as 5e didn't exist at the time. Be thankful you didn't install CAT3, which was commonly used for 10baseT (look up StarLAN) back then. When I first got a cable modem, in the late 90s, my cable company/ISP actually ran CAT5 cable for me. They had to install coax from one end of my condo, where the cable came in, to the other end, where my "office" is. While they were doing that, I had them pull in a couple of runs of CAT5, which I supplied. They fished the cables up inside a wall, along some air ducts, over the bathroom ceiling, across the laundry room ceiling, behind my water heater and through the wall into my office closet. The only place where the cable is visible is where it crosses the laundry room ceiling. They even repaired the drywall where they cut it. These days, those cables are used to carry IPTV to my living room & bedroom. 🙂

    • @One-Day-After-Another
      @One-Day-After-Another 2 дня назад

      really? same with my home in 2004....but anything ethernet I connect gets 100/100....unless I'm doing something wrong.

  • @jylfarm1964
    @jylfarm1964 4 дня назад +21

    -- You should not purchase CAT 7 -- that not iso-standard... only industries standard. However, should do 10 Gbits/s just fine… They are typically equivalent to CAT 6a.
    -- No reason to purchase CAT 8 -- unless you have 40 Gbits/s equipment.
    At 10 Gbits/s, CAT 6 should work until 55 meters... and 6a to 100 Meters
    At 10 Gbits/s CAT 5e should be good for 35 to 45 meters.
    Digital cable either work or they don't. Should not change speed unless they downgrade to 1 Gbits/s. Regarding CAT 5, you need very old cable as manufacturer still produce them but with the CAT 5e specification. Essentially, newer CAT 5 and CAT5e are the same thing for at least 5 years.

    • @daelra
      @daelra 3 дня назад +1

      Thanks for saying the same thing as I was about to post. I was also going to throw in the Cat 6 STP option but do we need to confuse things further?

  • @Whosever
    @Whosever 4 дня назад +18

    Cat 6/6a it's more than enough for end user, it can even handle 10g up to 100m, if you need more than that (longer distances or faster bit rate) then go fiber

    • @Matlockization
      @Matlockization 4 дня назад

      How do you hook fibre to your desktop ?

    • @zakuso5141
      @zakuso5141 4 дня назад +3

      @@Matlockization You can install a PCIe Fiber Network Card , or connect a USB-C / Thunderbolt Fiber Optic Network Adaptor

  • @NotHimJim
    @NotHimJim 5 дней назад +85

    I'd be curious to see at what distance(s), the cable matters.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  5 дней назад +15

      That would be interesting to know since all of these are short cables

    • @IlanEliyahu
      @IlanEliyahu 5 дней назад +18

      ​@@landpet can you please do another video with much longer cables?

    • @RainKvks
      @RainKvks 4 дня назад +4

      YES! I NEED TO KNOW

    • @Matlockization
      @Matlockization 4 дня назад +1

      @@landpet Perhaps you could redo the test with longer length cables, provided of course you have already done your research beforehand.

    • @BinaryBlueBull
      @BinaryBlueBull 4 дня назад +3

      @@Matlockization Good idea indeed, I would be interested to see this as well. And then perhaps he can gradually increase the length each time, until it starts impacting the speed? I would be veeeery curious to see at what distance the CAT5 starts to significantly drop off

  • @MichaelSmith-mw8ed
    @MichaelSmith-mw8ed 5 дней назад +29

    I have not noticed anyone talk about the ability to keep interference out at those speeds. The better cables tend to reject noise better than the cheaper cables. I have substituted CAT6A in noisy environments and it made a difference. Obviously, fiber trumps all these as it basically has no interference, and the lengths can be in miles. As fiber has gotten cheaper, I have used more fiber in client environments and the armored stuff is great for pulling through existing chase ways and conduit. Short cables will do fine for almost all speeds up to 10g and this was a great demonstration! Longer distances do make a difference as I have run into it firsthand. Again, great work.

    • @wildmanjeff42
      @wildmanjeff42 5 дней назад +4

      I went to mainly 10G fiber between my servers after lightning took out 2 of my switches and a camera, Access Point. Just to make sure.

    • @michaelbeckerman7532
      @michaelbeckerman7532 4 дня назад +2

      @@wildmanjeff42 That's actually really smart as no fiber optic cable can ever pass a surge or a spike the way a copper cable can.

    • @wildmanjeff42
      @wildmanjeff42 4 дня назад

      @@michaelbeckerman7532 I run everything on UPS, and surge supressors, and know the lighting came in on low voltage landscape lighting into power and jumped onto my network.

    • @The.Orchard
      @The.Orchard 4 дня назад

      CAT5 STP will keep interference out better than CAT6 UTP. But it does nothing to stop interference between pairs.

    • @Matlockization
      @Matlockization 4 дня назад

      What are these 'long distances' before they make a difference ?

  • @zorin1us
    @zorin1us 5 дней назад +65

    What you need to be doing is monitoring for dropped packets. I don't know if the router or the Ethernet port will renegotiate down to a lower speed if it encounters to many dropped packets. Remember that dropped packets will be retried which should show a slower transfer rate based on the size of the packet you are sending. Dropping jumbo frames will have more of an impact. You should monitor your dropped frames to see how well each cable is doing. A speed test alone does not show the whole picture.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  5 дней назад +9

      That’s also a great point

    • @michaelbeckerman7532
      @michaelbeckerman7532 4 дня назад +8

      Correct. Let's not forget here that the whole reason why we even have higher categories of cables in the first place it to be able to buy cables that are CERTIFIED to provide a certain level of data throughput WITHOUT an abundance of packet loss. This is far more about data and signal integrity than it is about speed and throughput. What a cable can do and what it can do reliably are often two VERY different things. Sending packets at high speed does you no good at all if you can't actually rely on the fact that what was sent was actually received properly down at the other end.

    • @whophd
      @whophd 4 дня назад +1

      Yep this is a great point. Ethernet - and the protocols that usually sit on it - handle a few dropped packets fine here and there. It’s not the same story for serial interfaces like Thunderbolt and HDMI, that need to send a STEADY MINIMUM stream of data at all times, and immediately get glitches visible if any data drops. Very different purposes.
      So if you abuse ethernet like this, it tends to forgive you. Remarkable, honestly. It’s a whole story, how this is a very loved technology that has served many people and their careers without as much pain as any of the alternatives.

    • @zorin1us
      @zorin1us 4 дня назад

      @@michaelbeckerman7532 Maybe looking at dropped packets is best, maybe looking at errors instead. Wifi has a lot of dropped packets. No one really reviews dropped/error packets but just look at how fast things are.

    • @alb12345672
      @alb12345672 4 дня назад

      @@whophd The power industry streams all their control and monitoring thru ethernet cables. Dropped packets are very serious!

  • @CrazyAndy1983
    @CrazyAndy1983 4 дня назад +16

    You can never achieve exactly 10 Gb/s on your speedtest because of protocol overhead. The 10 Gb/s is the line speed not actual speed up on the OSI Layer.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  2 дня назад +3

      makes sense, thanks for the info

    • @lolerie
      @lolerie День назад

      @@landpet wrong. actual speed is 20 gbit, because it is full duplex. Just like 1 gbit ethernet is actually 2 gbit. most people do not consider that.

    • @Theworthsearcher
      @Theworthsearcher День назад

      @@lolerie
      Yes but 2 way... So one way it is gigabit. ;)

    • @AlexeiDimitri
      @AlexeiDimitri День назад

      ​@@lolerie Wrong... u can achieve 10 gigabit mode only if u are using half duplex mode... if u are using full duplex u cant achieve. The specs says 5gigs max each via.

    • @lolerie
      @lolerie День назад

      @@Theworthsearcher but 2 way it is 2 gigabit :) and it is only saturated at 2 gigabit.

  • @michaelmanus7765
    @michaelmanus7765 5 дней назад +57

    I am unclear why you bother with very short cables. Most people don't have all their networks on "very short cables." Try different longer cable lengths. Also, do packet testing.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  5 дней назад +10

      I may have to pickup longer cables to try

    • @geomatrix5452
      @geomatrix5452 4 дня назад +3

      It's "Cheaper" hahahahahaha!

    • @vadnegru
      @vadnegru 4 дня назад +4

      if you buy a fancy wifi router all you get is a slim cat5e. This test shows that it`s fine

    • @James_Knott
      @James_Knott 2 дня назад

      Or Bit Error Rate Testing.

    • @jsalsman
      @jsalsman День назад

      On the other hand, a server to and from the NAS in the same rack is often more important than server connections upstream or to the (probably WiFi) users.

  • @fr33for3
    @fr33for3 5 дней назад +29

    Test 100' cables, this is where the differences begin to really show.

    • @AndrewLumsden
      @AndrewLumsden 5 дней назад +9

      100' is only 30 metres. He should be testing 100 metre cables. - 328 feet.

    • @melgross
      @melgross 5 дней назад +3

      @@AndrewLumsdenwell, that’s an extreme. If there’s a reduction at 30 meters the loss at 100 meters can be calculated.

    • @trevordennis
      @trevordennis 5 дней назад +2

      @@AndrewLumsden100' would be a typical run from your desk to the office wiring closet where the switch is.

    • @francocastilloAR
      @francocastilloAR 4 дня назад

      @@melgross It doesn't have to be linear.

    • @mikespangler98
      @mikespangler98 4 дня назад

      I have a 120 ft run to a detached garage. It's underground, I don't know if that makes it better or worse. It's also possible the conduit is full of water. Gigabit is still working though.

  • @rkgaustin
    @rkgaustin 2 дня назад +3

    I'm so old I remember when you had to wait for the screen to slowly draw images in segments. What a time to be alive.

  • @EFGamingAoFistWarRobots
    @EFGamingAoFistWarRobots 2 дня назад

    If two cables are close to each other, e.g. for two different PCs, would it work just as well?

    • @landpet
      @landpet  День назад

      Yeah shouldn't cause too much interference

  • @bigjohn2811
    @bigjohn2811 4 дня назад +5

    If you have CAT 5e in your house, it will probably 10 gb without a problem. If installing new cable, then use cat 6. It doesn't cost much more than 5e, $25 to $50 more for 1,000 foot bulk roll. Use 6a if need to guarantee 10gb connection in a noisy environment or very long cable runs.

  • @coldshot1611
    @coldshot1611 5 дней назад +22

    Cat 7 is not a recognized standard it was more of a marketing deploy. Cat 6a is better than cat 7.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  5 дней назад +5

      Interesting, thanks for that info

    • @Child-Lover-1
      @Child-Lover-1 2 дня назад

      You must be mixing it with Cat 6e

    • @Traumatree
      @Traumatree День назад +1

      @@Child-Lover-1 No he is not. CAT7 is not a recognized standard, as well as CAT6E. The only ISO standards are 5, 5E, 6, 6A and 8 at the moment for ethernet cabling.

  • @KingdaToro
    @KingdaToro 5 дней назад +18

    Cat5 is rated for gigabit, not 100 megabit. The gigabit spec was developed specifically to max it out, because it was the best cable available at the time. Cat5e came out a few years after gigabit. The actual rated speeds at 100 meters (important!) are 1 gig for Cat5, 2.5 gig for Cat5e, 5 gig for Cat6, and 10 gig for Cat6a. Cat7 and Cat8 should not even be considered, they're not real Ethernet cable. And, besides, for speeds of 10 gig and up, fiber is actually cheaper both in terms of hardware cost and power consumption.

  • @PatrickDKing
    @PatrickDKing 5 дней назад +9

    I'd be willing to bet that all the cables even at greater lengths will perform the same. In the end it's just the element copper. I'd like to see all categories at 100 feet length being tested. Also, that's awesome that you can get 5 gig internet where you are. We get fake gig here with Cumcast, allegedly 1.2 gig down but only 25 mbps up...purely criminal.

    • @ContraVsGigi
      @ContraVsGigi 4 дня назад +1

      In perfect conditions, maybe. But add some used electric wires around and then count the dropped packages. Expensive cables have extra features, for instance a metal mesh (or similar) protecting the signal from external factors.

  • @plop31
    @plop31 5 дней назад +24

    CLICK BAIT! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wanted a test on the length of use in an ACTUAL HOME, not a one meter cable..... With a minimum length of 15 meters, real use is closer to 20 to 30 meters in length. i'm pretty sure a old CAT 4 cable can do the trick on 50cm length

    • @landpet
      @landpet  5 дней назад +18

      I'm ordering longer cables, there will be another variant with much longer cables. Similar tests

    • @James_Knott
      @James_Knott 2 дня назад

      Was CAT4 ever used for Ethernet? 10baseT could run over CAT3.

  • @chefmike8888
    @chefmike8888 4 дня назад +5

    Well that’s exactly what I expected.
    The reason for thickness is shielding. CAT 5 has little or no shield. 5 E has outer shield, CAT 6 depending on manufacture has 2 shields, CAT 6E does not exist.
    CAT 7 has each pair shielded as well as outer shield. The only reason a home should run 7 is if it’s new construction and you want to future proof it. But it’s going to be years before all equipment is at the CAT 7 standard.
    Again for (basic) home use 5E or 6 is more than enough.
    CAT 8 is a gimmick. In the 15 or so years it will take to actually be at the point where 8 is implemented the whole CATegory may very well be old technology and a new technology will be in place.
    As these test show the number on the cable makes no difference simply because of the ISP is the one setting the speeds. All the shielding does it help protect from interference the cable may encounter in its path due to electrical devices or other data cables run in the same raceway.
    All the conductors within each cable is the same gauge within maybe a gauge or 2 .
    What was your switch being fed with? Try feeding the switch with the different wires. Or go check what your ISP is feeding the router with. If it’s 5e then that’s the max you should buy. Because feeding a 7 with a 5 will still only transfer 5 .

    • @landpet
      @landpet  4 дня назад +3

      Everything is cat7 or cat8 at my place, mostly cat7 though.
      I’m going to run some length tests on the cat5e and cat6 cables

    • @ericdavis4964
      @ericdavis4964 3 дня назад +2

      I worked 15 years in 3 different data centers. Most data centers used CAT5e some slowly started to change over to CAT6a as the new standard.
      As to cross interference with a bunch of cables in the same cable tray, not an issue unless you are using cheap poorly made cables.
      Electrical connections (CAT5, CAT6) handled low bandwidth applications.
      Higher bandwidth applications such as storage always used optical (fiberoptics)
      As to home internet, CAT 6A is the best option for electrical, if you need higher bandwidth then go optical
      Per terminated armored optical cables have been around for nearly a decade now.
      As to new office building, they use CAT6A to desks and depend heavily on wireless for their employees

    • @RealMrStoofus
      @RealMrStoofus 2 дня назад

      @@landpet You’ve wasted your money if you paid any more than cat6a cables. If you need cat 8 bandwidth you should probably be switching to fibre anyway.
      Anything under 10 metres is pointless to really care about which type of cable you use. Tbh, anything under 5 metres you could probably use wet string and get acceptable speeds.
      Where you might run into trouble is when you have a lot of cables bundled together and alongside other types of cables, like power and audio etc. Unshielded cat 5 will start to pick up noise/cross-talk, which will result in more error correction being needed (you’ll start seeing more re-transmit packets if you’re looking at wireshark etc), but if you only have a couple of devices, it probably won’t matter that much as long as it’s a decently terminated cable.

  • @MalamIbnMalam
    @MalamIbnMalam 4 дня назад

    I want to get CAT 6A wired all throughout my house and get outlets in practically every room. Would they have to break down walls for that?

    • @landpet
      @landpet  2 дня назад

      depends on your home and how they can run it. Generally speaking that's not necessary if you have an attic they could run it from but again depends, they may need to break a few walls

  • @robertct06
    @robertct06 4 дня назад +2

    4:08
    “Make the video as short as possible”. Love you. So many people just try to make it as long as possible and I can’t stand it lol

    • @landpet
      @landpet  4 дня назад

      This one was almost real time. My other videos, I try hard to cut it down to as short as possible. I just wanted to show everything being connected so people would see I’m actually using the cables

    • @robertct06
      @robertct06 4 дня назад

      @ I meant to put that in parentheses to show I was quoting you lol. The video was awesome

  • @HappyQuailsLC
    @HappyQuailsLC 2 дня назад

    Is it true that we can use a 350ft run of outdoor shielded Cat 7 (without poe) without requiring power inserted to boost the signal ?

    • @landpet
      @landpet  2 дня назад

      Sure that should work assuming the device you're connecting to has power since you're not sending PoE.

  • @michaelyoung2188
    @michaelyoung2188 17 часов назад

    Could you get some longer cables (100 ft. or so) and run the tests again?

  • @adventureswithdavedave
    @adventureswithdavedave 3 дня назад +2

    Good start, but as others have mentioned, get another 90 meters and run them in your attic to a POE device and do more testing. And then compare all that to fiber. Make sure to include power consumption. The end result will be, just use fiber.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  3 дня назад

      I'm sure fiber is better. I'm going to run the cat5e at varying lengths, just got the cables today. I will also do one for cat6 soon

  • @ericv4720
    @ericv4720 3 дня назад +1

    Hello. Would you able to repeat this test on a 100 ft ethernet xable for cath 5 ro 8? Ty. Looking forward to your next post. Excellent job!!!

    • @landpet
      @landpet  3 дня назад

      I'm trying cat5e and cat6 at various lengths up to 300ft (100ft will be part of the testing). I may do some additional as well.

  • @brahmincalgary9239
    @brahmincalgary9239 3 дня назад +4

    Please try this. Do another test. 50 feet long Cat5 or Cat5e versus 50 feet long Cat 8. Use all the same hardware and software you used for this video. See if there's a speed difference.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  3 дня назад +1

      A few more videos coming out on this topic with longer cables. I'll try to put one out in the next day or two.

  • @imark7777777
    @imark7777777 3 дня назад

    I was cleaning out the closet where I work and found some cat 3 and cat 5 cables and I was thinking of doing something like this but I can only go up to 2.5 gig. Just mostly the test functionality. Trying to decide whether I should return them to optional service or if I should make everybody's life easier by making them disappear.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  3 дня назад

      Your choice. I’m going to retweet cat5e at varying lengths also do the same for cat6 up to 300ft (91m)

  • @dexterjsullen
    @dexterjsullen 4 дня назад +2

    Another aspect to remember file size (duration) often times they drop off after continuous use, do a file transfer of 10gb files

  • @johnlehew8192
    @johnlehew8192 4 дня назад

    Are the CAT 5,5e,6,7,and 8 cables all 3 feet in length?

    • @landpet
      @landpet  2 дня назад

      some are longer at up to 6ft.
      I did a new video with cat5e from 3ft to 300ft: ruclips.net/video/zACK7Aka4Us/видео.html
      length does make a difference

    • @James_Knott
      @James_Knott 2 дня назад

      It's a VERY local area network! 🙂

  • @joeythedime1838
    @joeythedime1838 4 дня назад +1

    How about running this test with an old school CAT3 cable?

    • @michaelbeckerman7532
      @michaelbeckerman7532 4 дня назад +2

      For that matter, why not run it on Flat Satin?

    • @landpet
      @landpet  4 дня назад +2

      I’m going to rerun this test with various length cables for cat5e and cat6. We can see how big of a difference distance will make.

    • @SteelBlueVision
      @SteelBlueVision 4 дня назад +1

      Nah, let's see four pairs of untwisted lamp cord. It doesn't even have to be copper.

    • @joeythedime1838
      @joeythedime1838 4 дня назад

      @@SteelBlueVision Us old guys remember Cat 1 being used by Farallon's PhoneNet which implemented Apple's LocalTalk over Cat 1 at a blazing data rate of 230.4 kbit/s.

    • @thomasmaughan4798
      @thomasmaughan4798 3 дня назад

      @@michaelbeckerman7532 "why not run it on Flat Satin?"
      Flat cables work great on short patches and also easy to terminate.

  • @andrebrait
    @andrebrait 5 дней назад +3

    I have full 10GbE running on several ~10m long runs of Cat 5E cable. I have never observed any speed or package drops.

  • @rod3134
    @rod3134 День назад +1

    The quality of the data is what matters. Just because it seems fast doesn't mean that it truly is. Higher rates of data drop-offs occur with lower CAT cables the faster you send the signals through. Buyer beware 😅

  • @jfiosi
    @jfiosi 3 дня назад +1

    Glad to see the test, but testing longer cables would be been more informative and helpful in buying decisions. I have all the CAT speeds you showed. I paid more for my CAT 8 cables. Now I wonder if I should have stuck with my CAT 5. I am going to switch cables to see if I see a speed difference. Can you do a test with longer cables, or is that cost-prohibitive for you?

    • @landpet
      @landpet  3 дня назад

      I bought the cables, I will be doing more tests. A few more videos coming out soon. Cat5e is first as I got all the cables today. Cat6 is next

  • @SandyFunnies
    @SandyFunnies 3 дня назад

    Years ago I was told the only difference between a CAT5 and CAT5e cable was the level of testing done by the manufacturer. The materials used was identical and the only difference was the test run on lots from the manufacturing process. I have noticed that CAT6 cables use larger copper wires than CAT5e so I'm guessing they are using larger gauge wires.
    Your test was great and confirmed what I was told years ago. I liked that you kept the test simple with the same hardware, software, and cable lengths similar. Thanks.

  • @woolybooly6859
    @woolybooly6859 4 дня назад

    Very Helpful and eye-opening results with older cat 6 cable. I noticed you are in the LA area (I am too). I also select the CTCSCI server when using Speedtest. Question: I have an M1 Mac Mini, 16GB 256hd. I also just upgraded to Frontier 2Gb service. I know the ethernet is only 1Gb. Can I get 2Gb speed with some kind of adapter on the USB-C? (less than 25ft to the Eero Pro 6E that Frontier provides). Thanks for the help

    • @landpet
      @landpet  4 дня назад +1

      Yes you can
      Is This the FASTEST USB-C to Ethernet Adapter? WAVLINK 5Gbps Tested
      ruclips.net/video/EGmMP78iDT0/видео.html

  • @EugWanker
    @EugWanker 5 дней назад +3

    To be honest, I'm not sure how helpful these tests are, since the cables are so short. I ran Gigabit over CAT3 and it worked fine, but again, it was a short cable (less than 2 m). However, I would never recommend anyone run Gigabit on CAT3, unless that's all they had in the walls and are aware it might have some problems over longer runs. That said, I've since upgraded to a 2.5 Gbps home network, and I've found some of my CAT5e patch cables are problematic. I noticed a couple of runs acting flaky at 2.5 Gbps. Swapping out the CAT5e patch cable for a CAT6 cable solved the problem. The first example of this was a long CAT5e patch cable (solid copper) that was connected to a CAT5e run (solid copper, I'm guessing around 40-50 feet). It negotiated fine at 2.5 Gbps and seemed to work fine at that speed the first day without dropped packets, but I noticed after a few days that it'd would periodically drop down to 1 Gbps. I changed the 30 foot CAT5e patch cable to a 25 foot CAT6 patch cable and the problem went away. The other thing I noticed is that with a couple of other runs with in-line CAT6 or CAT5e couplers, they worked fine at 1 Gbps, but would not run at 2.5 Gbps at all. I removed the couplers and they work perfectly at 2.5 Gbps. I know you're not supposed to use couplers, but since they worked for my Gigabit network, I had previously been too lazy to remove them.
    tl;dr:
    It's well known that short CAT5e cables will work for 10 GbE, but longer cables will be problematic, especially if it's not an optimal install. If you're trying to run 10 GbE, or perhaps even 2.5 GbE, then save yourself some headache and when possible, try not to re-use your old CAT5e patch cables, particularly if they are long.
    P.S. You probably shouldn't buy so-called CAT7 and CAT8 cables. Most of the time you'd be better off buying legit CAT6 or CAT6a cables.

  • @DaschcamTV
    @DaschcamTV 2 дня назад

    Hey, can you please tell me in which city you are or in which state? Because I live in Germany, and the fastest you can get here as a private connection is 1Gbit/s downstream and 50 Mbits/s upload. And we pay here around 60 Euro per month for this! So I´m curios, what you pay for 5 Gbit/s down and uload per month 😅

    • @landpet
      @landpet  День назад +1

      I'm in California and the regular rate is around 165 dollars a month.

  • @johndoughto
    @johndoughto 5 дней назад +3

    running cat5e from 2002 that i cabled in my house when built. running 10gbe throughout. sfp modules, dac cables and compute hardware are my bottle necks for 10gbe - not my cables.
    usually run whatever patch cord i like for diameter and color, and they all work. was doing usoc before "cat" was a thing. obviously i don't run out to 100m to test limits, but my 3000sqft house cabling works. don't get caught up in the CAT.

  • @alexdsr1
    @alexdsr1 4 дня назад +3

    Finally it will be cat of 9 tails. 😊😎

  • @parawm4585
    @parawm4585 5 дней назад +2

    Indeed, please test much longer distances. We have to know :) I just tested 7 long and medium Cat 5e cables I had lying around in series with 6 of those small adapters in between. Total length 58m and they were all rolled up still, for worst case scenario. Still did 2.5 gbps, can't test faster..... Really like to know at what length even cat 5e sees any degradation below 10 gbps.

  • @mustafashihab180
    @mustafashihab180 7 часов назад

    if i buy a router how do i install it, and will the wifi company accept the router i bought? how does it work?

  • @07BSPtC
    @07BSPtC 5 дней назад +5

    You won’t get to a perfect 10 there is overhead. 9.8 is about it.

  • @SkaggsFamily
    @SkaggsFamily 4 дня назад

    You can even use Cat3 or uncategorized "twisted pair" telephone cable and get similar results for even long runs if there are no other interference sources, like a dozen other cables running parallel, or excess length coiled up. I built my house for networking back in the 90's with two runs of Cat5 (one for phone, one for ethernet) and two RG6U to every room. They only cross electrical romex as 90-degrees, never along side or on the same stud. My hardware has upgraded over the years, and I'm running 10GiB to a NAS for real-time video editing without any issues.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  4 дня назад

      Thanks for the info, I’m going to run more tests with longer cables to see what happens.

    • @James_Knott
      @James_Knott 2 дня назад

      The old red, green, black & yellow phone cables were CAT nothing! 🙂

  • @AnupomAG
    @AnupomAG 5 дней назад +4

    Basically there was almost no difference in speed orl latency and the reason is distance.
    Regardless I was really surprised that CAT5 could reach 10 Gig, heck I never thought even CAT6 could reach that speed.
    9:00 Yes you been repeating that word but still 😮 why is that even possible?
    Thanks for the lesson ❤

    • @michaelbeckerman7532
      @michaelbeckerman7532 4 дня назад

      I think the key issue here isn't actually speed at all, but really reliability and data integrity. These cables are all still just made with copper wire essentially (lower-end ones being made with CCA, Copper Coated Aluminum). They can all push the same amount of speed/throughput. The difference lies in which ones are actually CERTIFIED to be able to do what speeds reliably with a high degree of data integrity. I think the main differences between some of these cables possibly comes in the quality of the copper that is used in them as that can have an impact on signal quality and therefore data integrity. And yes, twists per foot and cable shielding certainly play a role here as well Just like in the world of HDMI cables, as the quality of the cable goes up, the grading and quality of the metals used inside of them typically goes up as well - right along with the price. The idea there is to always try and lower the impurities inside of the cable (Long-grain copper, OFC cable, OCC cable, etc.) so as to reduce the likelihood that the signal will be disrupted or disturbed as it is passing down the wire.

  • @Richard_GIS
    @Richard_GIS 5 дней назад +6

    0:37 Nice wallpaper from Bing, Salzburg Austria, love it! Greetings from Austria ;-)

    • @landpet
      @landpet  5 дней назад +3

      Very nice place!

  • @4givenoxygenbarez
    @4givenoxygenbarez 5 дней назад +1

    at what distance are cat 6 and below done?

    • @landpet
      @landpet  5 дней назад

      That's a good question, I don't know in practice. I may have to buy the cables to try it

  • @iandron7119
    @iandron7119 4 дня назад

    I’d always suspected this was the case and nice to have it confirmed. Nice video!

    • @landpet
      @landpet  2 дня назад

      Thanks! I did the cable length video up to 300ft (91m) with cat5e and eventually there is a dropoff of speed: ruclips.net/video/zACK7Aka4Us/видео.html

  • @Omar-hu5qt
    @Omar-hu5qt 5 дней назад +11

    You’re thinking of the old standards where cat 5a was 1 Gbps.
    New standards allow 2.5 and 5 Gbps on cat 5.

    • @mikezappulla4092
      @mikezappulla4092 5 дней назад +2

      It still did much faster than that.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  5 дней назад +3

      When did it change?

    • @UniPer85
      @UniPer85 5 дней назад +11

      The standard never changed as far as I know. The default test method is running the cable for 100 meters at maximum speed, which it should maintain. Cat5e cable is tested at 100Mhz for 100 meters and guarantees a speed of 1Gbps. With the condition that you use a copper cable and not an aluminum core with a copper jacket of some kind. Nowadays some manufacturers offer Cat5e cables tested at 350Mhz which can deliver up to 10Gbps. The only problem is that they rarely tell you that it's only up to 10 meters distance and perhaps not fully stable. Therefore it cannot be marked as a certified speed. So...bottom line: Cat5e cable is certified for 1Gbps Cat6 is also certified for 1Gbps (at 100 meters) but can perform at 10Gbps on 55 meters. If you want a full 10Gbps for 100 meters, you should use Cat6a.

    • @Omar-hu5qt
      @Omar-hu5qt 4 дня назад

      @@UniPer85 IEEE 802.3bz, NBASE-T and MGBASE-T standards released in 2016.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T
      Before this cat5e was only rated for 1 Gbps. Now it's also officially rated for 2.5 and 5 Gbps.

    • @Omar-hu5qt
      @Omar-hu5qt 4 дня назад

      @@mikezappulla4092 Ya but only for short runs and low interference.

  • @dave24-73
    @dave24-73 5 дней назад +1

    I have Cat5e in my house, due to age, and I get full speed, just goes to show in an average home, you may not need the extra spec. In industry where you often have lots of cables and long runs the higher spec cable is likely to have more losses, and thus become more important.

  • @deb-smartech
    @deb-smartech Час назад

    Insane Speeds Dude!! Congrats. Maybe you work for NaSa haha, Superb. Great Review .

  • @P4FElton
    @P4FElton День назад

    yes but will it affect longevity? i mean probably that cat5 cable is running at higher amount of electricity/data transfer than whats rated for... even tho it can handle it, will it degrade faster or something? or even overheat? i know normal electricity cables can, infact some burn the plastic all the way out if handling amounts of electricity far superior than rated... or made by... asian standards of quality, if you know what i mean... "made in china"
    plus will they give somehow higher pings or even "slow down" in certain tasks? i mean speedtest does tell the brute force... but there is more to it...

  • @reinelsisnett2930
    @reinelsisnett2930 3 дня назад

    Hi, what about Poe? , using better cable cat6 and up manages better power dissipation and as soon you open cat 5 vs cat6, you will see the size of twister pair, for cat 6 and up they are shorter to enhance the bandwidth, etc. make a test with short cable in not enough, the maximum is 100 meters, however in the telco room you have a lot patch cord limiting the maximum.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  3 дня назад

      I will release a video with varying length cables up to 300ft (91m) with cat5e and will do another for cat6

  • @betterwithrum
    @betterwithrum 4 дня назад

    If you can get your hands on a long 50 or 100ft Cat5e cable, I'd love to know how it performs.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  2 дня назад +1

      up to 300ft: ruclips.net/video/zACK7Aka4Us/видео.html

    • @betterwithrum
      @betterwithrum 2 дня назад

      @@landpet just watched it, thank you!

  • @olafschermann1592
    @olafschermann1592 5 дней назад +1

    Curious why RJ45 makes no problem for everything above 2.5G. Back in the years they discussed about a new connector because of the critical distances between contacts.

  • @Cotronixco
    @Cotronixco День назад

    One of the main variables to speed is external noise. All pairs in all these cables are twisted to balance the signal and reject external noise. These short cables won't pick up much noise. The higher the cat the tighter the twists which allows a greater noise reduction bandwidth. A longer cable will have a much greater chance of being an antenna for external noise that the cable is designed to reject.

  • @STLJonny
    @STLJonny 4 дня назад +2

    Redo all test but use 25 to 30 foot versions of each cable. That will be a real test.
    You have to understand that those cables are rated for that category at a minimum. It’s certifies that they are able to achieve that speed as a minimum. Maximum will depend on a lot of things, as well as two cat 6E rated cables can test out totally different.

    • @smert_rashistskiy_pederacii
      @smert_rashistskiy_pederacii 4 дня назад

      7-8 meters is not the change either. I mean, what's the point? Recently I wanted to replace one of my cables in house and I measured the approximate length of it to be about 15m minimum. My friend earlier used cheap version of CAT5 cable to reach his neighbors on the distance of about 100m and it also worked perfectly but for 100 Mbits only. My 15m CAT5 cable works just fine with 1 Gbit on that 15m as well.

  • @S_Paoli
    @S_Paoli 5 дней назад

    I'm thinkin about upgrading from 1gig to 2gig service. will that make RUclips videos run faster? Thanks!

    • @landpet
      @landpet  5 дней назад

      Your router can make a difference, a big difference. 1gig is usually fast enough for most things, 2 gig will help more noticeable when downloading but will provide a mini boost but the main thing here is the router. Make sure you have a good router, you can do some speed tests on your computer to see what speeds your computer is getting.

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 4 дня назад

      If you're the only one using any significant bandwidth in your home/place then, no, it would make absolutely no difference. A decent quality 4K video stream, using a codec like h.264 or newer uses about 35 Mbit/s. Yes, 35 Megabit! I'm sure that RUclips uses less.
      However, if you want to make the RUclips videos run faster, you can to go the video settings and set the playback speed to 2. You're welcome :)

    • @thomasmaughan4798
      @thomasmaughan4798 3 дня назад +1

      Given that a 4K movie requires 40 megabits, in theory you could easily stream 8, 4k movies simultaneously from a 1 gigabit service. 2k movies (1080p) are happy with 16 megabits, sometimes less.
      If you want your RUclips videos to run faster, there's a speed setting in each video.

    • @thomasmaughan4798
      @thomasmaughan4798 3 дня назад +1

      @@Winnetou17 I suppose I should have read the comments before nearly duplicating yours ;-)

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 3 дня назад

      @@thomasmaughan4798 Hey, no problem, I feel validated :)

  • @One-Day-After-Another
    @One-Day-After-Another 2 дня назад

    In 2004 when my house was being built... it was wired with cat 5 ethernet and a patch panel in the laundry room. Now that we have fiber, ethernet can only get 100 down/100 up... our plan is at 500/500... we mostly use wifi anyway and most speed tests come back around 430 up and 430 down over wifi...

  • @lucsteffens
    @lucsteffens 4 дня назад

    I agree, i'm amazed to see the only diff between the cat versions is just 'noice cancelation' and is actually irrelevant on shorter distances.
    Thx for the test!

    • @landpet
      @landpet  2 дня назад

      long test for cat5e is here: ruclips.net/video/zACK7Aka4Us/видео.html

  • @Proton_Decay
    @Proton_Decay 3 дня назад

    100% this depends on the amount of interference and adjacent wiring.
    I live in a rental where the ONT is in the property manager's data closet, and I have patch ports around the house but only choose ONE for the WAN to go to. I got the tech to patch two rooms together in the data room, so there's a LONG Cat5 run, out of the townhouse, to a data closet, and back in, and I am able to maintain a 10GbE backhaul between the upstairs and downstairs no problem!

    • @landpet
      @landpet  2 дня назад

      that's awesome with a cat5, you know how long your cable is?

    • @Proton_Decay
      @Proton_Decay 2 дня назад

      @@landpet No clue how wiring is routed, attached townhouse next door, my guess is 100 feet end to end but I don't have the kind of cable tester that would let me get an exact measurement (without any specific knowledge of conduit paths)

  • @Lardzor
    @Lardzor 3 дня назад

    There is a TCP-IP bandwidth overhead. Not getting the perfect 10 gbps might be a limitation of the protocol. With TCP-IP there is a packet header, and error correction included with each packet that does not count as data.

  • @802Garage
    @802Garage 4 дня назад

    It does make some sense given the cables are completely passive and as long as the wire passes the signal properly you get the speed. As you said, distance is key, but I'd be interested to see how much it really matters for any given distance.

    • @thomasmaughan4798
      @thomasmaughan4798 3 дня назад +1

      "I'd be interested to see how much it really matters for any given distance."
      It matters a lot and for several reasons. Interference and crosstalk is a biggie, but so is smearing and group delay. The bits start out nice and square but by 100 meters, they are squishy and round; difficult to know where exactly is the edge of the bit.

    • @802Garage
      @802Garage 3 дня назад

      ​@@thomasmaughan4798 I totally understand all that. I'm saying I'd like to see the testing is all. There are obviously a lot of factors that can come into play. :)

  • @TheRealMrBlackCat
    @TheRealMrBlackCat 4 дня назад +1

    I guess most viewers don't work around server rooms where this information is very important... I learned this in the late 90's switching off Coax (10Mbps) to 10/100 and some 1Gb trunk runs.
    I stock 5e patch cables in lengths from 4 inches to 4ft in every color basically... it is always enjoyable to demonstrate that "high speed" cables in this setting are mostly irrelevant.

    • @James_Knott
      @James_Knott 2 дня назад

      Almost 2 years ago, I was doing some work for my ISP/cable TV company. Lots of CAT5, coax and fibre, but I didn't see any CAT6. One thing to bear in mind, in offices where cable rack is used is the weight. If you have lots of cables (and I do mean lots), then you have to keep the overall load in mind. Fibre is usually run on separate plastic racks.

  • @bastel
    @bastel 4 дня назад

    Very interesting! It would also be interesting to know if Cat 5 cables interfere with each other when many are stuck next to each other in a switch or patch panel.

    • @thomasmaughan4798
      @thomasmaughan4798 3 дня назад

      "It would also be interesting to know if Cat 5 cables interfere with each other when many are stuck next to each other in a switch or patch panel."
      Yes, they do, but not significantly.

  • @ogleo8775
    @ogleo8775 4 дня назад

    Great video but not as comprehensive as it could be. You have the setup, why didn't you test cat 5, 5e and 6 with longer cables too?

    • @landpet
      @landpet  2 дня назад

      i got cat5e cables up to 300ft (91m): ruclips.net/video/zACK7Aka4Us/видео.html
      the cat6 cables arrived as well so a similar video is coming for this as well

  • @jlj945
    @jlj945 День назад

    Whenever I have accidentally connected a CAT5 cable instead of a 5e, Windows always showed it as 100Mbps in network preferences. Even short ones, I don’t remember if I actually ever tested the speed besides looking at what Windows thought it was using though.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  День назад

      I always thought it would be capped to 100Mbps or maybe it would exceed it but not get to 10Gbps until one day I decided to test it for fun

  • @jaakanshorter
    @jaakanshorter 5 дней назад +7

    You will never hit 10G due to overhead.

  • @jasontemple4407
    @jasontemple4407 4 дня назад

    There are a few things to consider. Distance is the first thing as mentioned many times in the comments. The next thing to take into consideration is Line rate. The cables are short enough to negotiate at the 10g line rate. You had 1 cable under perform. The end points being used are through one switch. An ideal test case would be PC 1 to switch 1, switch 1 to switch 2 using the different cables, then switch 2 to PC 2. Then you could get error information on both switch ports where you are swapping out cables. On the under performing cable I would be curious to see receive errors on both devices.

  • @KamiCrit
    @KamiCrit День назад

    Really seems like the limiting factor are the little black boxes being plugged into at the ends of the cables.

  • @thehotshot0167
    @thehotshot0167 3 дня назад

    I bought a spool of Cat 8 because I am a networking nerd too and will be wiring it throughout my house. Overkill, I know but ehh I am still doing it. Really like the video, cant wait to see further testing results.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  3 дня назад

      Nice!
      I'm already working on the next video with various lengths of cat5e up to 300ft (91m)

  • @alfredocuomo1546
    @alfredocuomo1546 21 час назад +1

    You do realize that this is Not a Valid testing methodology, there are just way to may variables in the way you're testing for Valid results. Also were if any interference are being injected in your testing, I appreciate that you are testing but I don't think these are valid results, sorry.

  • @barryc573
    @barryc573 5 дней назад +2

    This test is not valid as the higher cabling standards have extra shielding for interference and crosstalk, and guarantee the speeds at 100m (330 ft). You can easily get 10Gb on cat5 over 2-3m

  • @Tomcat2_kanal
    @Tomcat2_kanal 4 дня назад +1

    Actually you are getting 10Gbits on the physical layer but for the application data transfer speed you will always see less as there are other reduntant data like Ethernet frame and IP packet headers transferred, control data, CRC, etc...

    • @landpet
      @landpet  4 дня назад +1

      Makes sense. I’m going to redo these tests with longer cables for cat5e and cat6 as well. From various lengths up to 300ft (91m)

  • @francocastilloAR
    @francocastilloAR 4 дня назад +1

    9:16 Not true. They are rated to operate FROM that speed.

  • @stoptellingmewhattowrite
    @stoptellingmewhattowrite 3 дня назад

    There was decent amount of CAT3 testing done (on multiple forums) and I recall one gigabit was doable usually to at least 100 feet (did at times depend on cable quality). So this does not surprise me that much, especially with very small length of cables. Longer lengths should be explored, but thank you for the video!

  • @BB..........
    @BB.......... 4 дня назад +3

    Do a proper test with 90m/295 ft of cable for each one.

  • @Dysl3xicDog
    @Dysl3xicDog 5 дней назад +1

    The speeds you're getting are over a VERY short distance the spec of the cable is for 100 meters you would likely have a lot more issues if you had full distance runs to run these tests with.

  • @satamototo
    @satamototo 5 дней назад

    It matters when you have specific cable from XX meters through building terminated to patch panel, to use the same Cat. patch to connect it to the switch/LAN port. Otherwise there a link quality degradation or NEXT effect if matters.

  • @FanfanPO
    @FanfanPO 4 дня назад

    Thanks for the test!
    At first, I thought you should standardize the length of each cable to keep the variables consistent.
    But in the end, the relatively long and old CAT5 cable still performed really well.
    I’ve always known that as long as the cable is short enough, signal loss shouldn’t be significant, and cables can often exceed their rated specs. Still, this result exceeded my expectations.
    It seems these standards are designed for long distances and harsh environments, while for typical home use, we might not need to worry about them as much.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  2 дня назад +1

      I did the length test for cat5e up to 300ft: ruclips.net/video/zACK7Aka4Us/видео.html

  • @TrailBikeMike
    @TrailBikeMike 4 дня назад

    Super interesting. Loads of people here complaining the test is pointless because the cables are so short, but I disagree. I have a few longer lengths to APs and switches which are 6a. But I have loads of shorter lengths from switches and the router, to devices. A pity I saw this too late as I threw out all my 5 and 5e cables thinking they were useless. At least all my new cables are matching in white now.

  • @Columbus666
    @Columbus666 2 дня назад

    All the specification that can find on Internet are for 100 meters MAX.
    So all cables are capable to work at 10Gbps but this is the distance (and the quality) who count.
    But yes, for CAT5 you need to be lucky on very very short distance.
    Max meters for 10 Gbps :
    CAT5: 5 meters or less (Max 100mbps at 100 meters) - Unshield
    CAT5e : 15/25 meters (Max 1Gbps at 100 meters) - Unshield
    CAT6: 30/50 meters (Max 1Gbps at 100 meters) - Shield or unshield
    CAT6a: 100 meters (Max 10 Gbps at 100 meters,) - Shield or unshield
    CAT7: Same to CAT6a
    CAT8: Contruct to work at 40 Gbps only at 30 meters, frequency 2000Mhz (for data center)

  • @Archangel-v5y
    @Archangel-v5y 4 дня назад

    As people have pointed out that on short distances you're ok. The cables aren't 'thinner' IIRC the wires in the cables are the same thickness. What you're seeing is more shielding which is what will let you go longer distances.
    If you take cables at 20-50 ft in length and have a 'noisy' environment you'll see the differences.

  • @uncrunch398
    @uncrunch398 4 дня назад

    Even for home use only I would use the strongest standard encryption for every connection. Even set up whatever extra shielding if that saves you being spied on via HDMI or DP cable emissions. Another reason to build a decoder inside the display, atop not needing a high speed cable/connection just for video.

    • @James_Knott
      @James_Knott 2 дня назад

      Encryption is generally at the application level. With Ethernet just twisting the pair reduces the chance of interference and shielding even more so.

    • @uncrunch398
      @uncrunch398 2 дня назад

      @@James_Knott Someone can still spy on you by normal emissions from your HDMI cable from a reasonable distance to remain non suspect. Proof I'd seen just shows direct copy of what's on your display on theirs but messed up like you used to see on an analog TV with a weak but barely passable signal. Who knows how well they could enhance that signal? I added DP just in case because I don't know if that has the same issue. Data can still be copied from outside a data cable without a normal connection. I just don't know how close the scanner has to be. Shielding AFAIK is there to maintain signal quality by lessening interference when twisting isn't enough. I don't know how well it works against exfiltration and it's probably not perfect.

  • @karnic-f1x
    @karnic-f1x 4 дня назад

    The networking circuits will test the quality of the cable when you plug it in. It will connect at highest possible standard speed 10G, 2,5G, 1G, 100mbit or 10mbit, full or half duplex, not anything in between

    • @landpet
      @landpet  4 дня назад

      Going to run various length tests up to 300 ft with cat5e and cat6 to see if that makes a difference

    • @karnic-f1x
      @karnic-f1x 4 дня назад

      @@landpet Interesting. There is a dynamic tuning of the signal depending on the length of the cable (delay). Sometimes you can read out the length of the plugged in cable directly from the NIC driver

  • @timothyhoadley2432
    @timothyhoadley2432 4 дня назад

    As I understand it, the categories of the cables designated by the numbers references the speed at which they are supposed to be used for is an FCC criteria. The higher the number, the less RF radiation leaving the cables which adds to the radio frequency interference in an area.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  2 дня назад

      I ran longer cable test which does make a difference after a certain point with cat5e and posted it here: ruclips.net/video/zACK7Aka4Us/видео.html

  • @nathanwieling7943
    @nathanwieling7943 4 дня назад +1

    Cat 5 cables have little to no twist in the wiring, Cat 5e has loosely twisted wiring (helps reduce crosstalk) and Cat 6 cables have even more twist in the wiring. Shielded ethernet cables reduce external interference. The speeds the cables are rated has more to do with distance and crosstalk degradation with some extra buffer so the speed can be guaranteed. If you want to get serious, get 50m or 100m Cat 5, Cat 5e and Cat 6 cables to see how they handle when you unspool them and run them near some power wiring in your home, etc. At that point you should start to see the limitations of cable design and quality of construction.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  4 дня назад +3

      I’m going to do a new video for cat5e and cat6 for varying lengths up to 300ft (91m)

    • @James_Knott
      @James_Knott 2 дня назад

      You may be thinking of CAT3 with loose twists. CAT5 & 5e are essentially the same cable, but 5e has tighter specs.

    • @nathanwieling7943
      @nathanwieling7943 2 дня назад

      @@James_Knott​​⁠I have not terminated Cat 3. Cat 5 (not 5e) at least the cabling that I worked with years ago had very loose twists, cat 5e had a noticeably higher twist rate, and I hated working with cat 6 with even higher twist rate because i had to maintain that twist wiring them into surge devices for microwave systems about 12 years ago.

  • @dirkbester9050
    @dirkbester9050 4 дня назад

    Back when I had a Vonage internet phone, the head unit was on a short 6"? 12"? cable. Horrific crackling interference. Upgraded to a fancy new CAT 7 for the shielding. Clean as a whistle. It is unclear to me if the cable was picking up interference or generating some into the unit. But that is at least one use case for a better shielded cable other than long runs.
    This makes me wonder if short patch cables from a 48 key patch panel sardining into a 48 port switch cares about interference?

  • @protapgames
    @protapgames 2 часа назад +1

    Try a Faber Optic cable

  • @grasstreefarmer
    @grasstreefarmer 4 дня назад +1

    Yeah its as expected. There is no limit to what speed a cable will do. The standards just specify a minimum over a certain length. All the cables are just 4 pairs of wires so they will all work the same over short distances. Its the distance that makes the difference. The longer the cable the higher the resistance of each wire and the bigger the antenna is for interference. That's where the tighter twisting of the wire pairs, pre formed internal separators and shielding of the higher standards comes into play.
    Pretty much all 'cat7' and 'cat8' cables that you can buy from normal retailers don't truly meet the standards they are sold as. That's why professional cable installers still make their own cables and its expensive even with real cat6a. The retail patch cables work but they use thin gauge wire and I would be hesitant to use them for POE applications.
    The flat and braided cables are the worst offenders. They use wires as small as 30awg so their resistance gets really high over any real distance like 10+ meters.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  4 дня назад

      Ive already ordered various length cat5e cables up to 300 ft and the same for cat6 as well. I will be redoing these tests with various length cables when it comes in.

    • @thomasmaughan4798
      @thomasmaughan4798 3 дня назад

      "There is no limit to what speed a cable will do."
      More misinformation :-) But who cares.

  • @LPChip
    @LPChip 4 дня назад

    I'm fairly sure the limitation for not getting the full 10gig is the switch. As you download, you also need to send confirmation packages, so you consume upload bandwidth as well, and I think, the 10gig throughput is both up and down streams combined. So while technically the download could reach a full 10 gig and the upload as well, it would only do so on UDP where it doesn't send the confirmation packages. I also think that is why the upload on the first try with cat7 was much lower. The upload was going up and down the whole time.

    • @James_Knott
      @James_Knott 2 дня назад

      Even UDP has overhead. There's the UDP header, IP header and Ethernet header. They all use a small amount of bandwidth.

    • @LPChip
      @LPChip День назад

      @@James_Knott Maybe, but those do count towards counting your up or download speed. With TCP where you send confirmation packages, you download 1GB of data, then 1KB of confirmation packages. The speeds can go higher, but the router can't because the 1KB used to confirm what was received. The connection will level out to a multiple of 8 lower than what it technically could do.

    • @James_Knott
      @James_Knott День назад

      @@LPChip That depends on what's being measured. Is it only payload data? Total bits? Even with TCP, the acknowledgements may be part of traffic packets going the other way, instead of stand alone packets. So, what is it you're measuring?

    • @LPChip
      @LPChip День назад

      @@James_Knott A speedtest would measure how fast the upstream and downstream traffic would be independendly. But as the upstream traffic is measured, it flows through the router. The traffic itself will require the acknowledgement bits too which, while not being measured, will cause the router's internal processing to hit a barrier as its throughput of 10 gig would be both upstream and downstream speeds combined, hence, you can't top the upstream or downstream in a speedtest, which is what I'm trying to say.

  • @djpsychic
    @djpsychic 3 дня назад

    Besides what people already have mentioned below regarding the length, the actual material of the wires also matter and the quality of the ethernet port/jack/chipset.
    To save cost cat 5/5e (not sure about 6 and up) can be aluminum, copper cladded aluminum (look for CCA on the cable) and actual full copper. Worse to best.
    Also the wire gauge can differ. Usually the cheaper the cable, the thinner the wires and the cheaper the cable material itself.
    Then there is a variance on shielding (STP, FTP , SFTP) that can make a difference as well , with some higher standards already having some form of shielding by default.
    As mentioned, length is a key factor. When in doubt cat6a is in general a safe bet.
    Lastly it can also depend of the ethernet port and chipset used. Remember that it's analog voltages that need to be pushed out and received. If the chip can't output enough voltage , distance will also be limited. The same holds true for a chipset that has a bad signal to noise ratio. This mostly result in bad speeds two way or one way.
    Replace the cable or add a (unmanaged) switch in between to clean and boost the signal.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  3 дня назад

      new cable length test video coming. I just finished filming it for varying length cat5e cables. I'm waiting on the cat6 cables to arrive so I can run the same tests on those.

    • @James_Knott
      @James_Knott 2 дня назад

      There's something called "skin effect" where signals stick close to the surface. The higher the frequency the more it happens. So, there should be no difference between solid copper and copper over aluminum at the frequencies used for Ethernet. On the other hand, aluminum will be worse for Power over Ethernet (PoE).

    • @djpsychic
      @djpsychic День назад

      @@James_Knott The difference properties of aluminum vs cca vs copper are very much a thing indeed.
      I was under assumption that cat6a was always full copper, but seems cca can be used for these.
      I've learned my lesson and will avoid cca where possible and I highly recommend anyone to do the same.

    • @James_Knott
      @James_Knott День назад

      @@djpsychic Read up on skin effect. It's a very well known factor in radio, particularly at higher frequencies. It's why silver plating is often used at high frequencies. With Ethernet cable, the aluminum will have an insignificant effect at the frequencies of the signal. On the other hand, it can have a negative effect with PoE, as direct current is not affected by skin effect.

    • @djpsychic
      @djpsychic День назад

      @@James_Knott Although I'm not expert on (high frequency) electronics, I'm aware of the properties of electrical systems including the skin effect.
      I'm sure you can tell all about AC DC Eddy Currents AM FM PAM PWM QAM etc. Fun stuff all around right. ;-)
      Sure silver and gold are even better when it comes to higher frequencies, but at some point cost becomes a factor as well.
      Costs is the main reason for using cca and in many cases it does indeed make little to no difference for shorter spans.
      Personally I tend to avoid cca as I've experienced several issues with these for longer spans and usage with (as you mentioned as well) PoE.
      The point of the video was to show that the grading for 8P8C cabling might not matter for achieving 10Gbps, which has a lot more nuances.
      Landpet already replied that a additional video will be made regarding this topic, which I hope we have contributed to the things that can be tested.
      I mainly deal with data-center networking where 100Gbps+ really starts showing off limitations on what we can do with electrical wiring.
      I also work a lot with optical networking, both having similar and unique physics.
      These are considerations we as engineers have to think about, not the generic consumer.

  • @mata2723
    @mata2723 2 дня назад

    yes both the length, fact there was not other cables close and you direct connect (not through hops) make the difference. In a machine room, the wrong cable type or quality can be a disaster (network cards would just randomly disconnect until you figure out someone from purchase dept though it was a good idea to buy cheaper cables and you just have to throw them all at the end to use real good cables....). Also cables close to electrical power will have very very bad perf....

  • @DelticEngine
    @DelticEngine 5 дней назад

    Interesting video and thanks for making it. On paper the maximum length of a patch cable is 5 metres, so this would be a good length to test. Patch cables use stranded conductors and do not work as well at higher speeds which is why installation cable is all solid core. What is worth noting from what you have done here isn't so much the achieved speeds but the increase in ping time and jitter as the specification of the cable goes down.

  • @MadawaskaObservatory
    @MadawaskaObservatory 4 дня назад +1

    what about range?

    • @landpet
      @landpet  4 дня назад +1

      I'll be doing a distance test for cat5e from short cables all the way to 300ft (91m)
      I'll do the same for cat6 as well

  • @CalgarGTX
    @CalgarGTX День назад

    Old cables could be well made or not (usually not). But it's all about shielding and EM interference really. They just were rated 'cat5' because that was the highest standard at the time. But during the Cat5E era which had to deal with a lot of actual gigabyte lan deployment, you would have a lot of real world perf differences depending how foiled and shielded they are. Cat6 could be a bit dodgy too and even some cat 6A. But cat7 and 8 (I don't even know what those specs actually involve tbh when cat7 came out it seemed to be snake oil rather than anything specially made.) They must have enough shielding to be rated at high speed long range in any scenario.
    Believe it or not the quality of the network ports themselves on switches and clients also make a difference in the signal integrity you get from the starting point. I had 'pro' level giga switches that really struggled to push gigabit link speed at 40 meters despite using the best cables I could get at the time. Sometimes their shty 'green 'eco' features reduce their transmit power at random times and can make the difference too, you turn those things off and bam it starts working.

  • @nikolaialeksiev2536
    @nikolaialeksiev2536 4 дня назад

    Different categories are pretty much advanced wire materials, insulation and coating that reduce signal loss and improoved connectors.

    • @landpet
      @landpet  4 дня назад +1

      I ordered various length cables up to 300ft (91m) for cat5e and cat6. New videos coming soon.

  • @eriknielsen4924
    @eriknielsen4924 4 дня назад

    You most but be in a high electrical noise environment. Since there is no shielding on the lower rated cables. Also as you said short runs but still surprised it works that well on both the 5 and 5e

    • @landpet
      @landpet  2 дня назад

      I did the longer cables up to 300ft (91m) with cat5e in my latest video: ruclips.net/video/zACK7Aka4Us/видео.html