Even real wild turkey fletchings will mat down after awhile in the rain. Good for a couple years, but then the fibres in the quill start to breakdown and the arrows get significantly louder. Something to keep in mind. New arrows for this season and i am going back to using trueflight feathers and will keep them out of the rain with a small bag on my bow quiver. Thanks Samko. Great advice.
@madbearproductions8375 if yoy want to bag them another great tip is use seran wramp and little girl pig tail rubber bands over the seran wrap right in from of the feathers. When need the arro lw pull seran wrap off and don't worry about the tiny rubber band.
Can't think of the name of it, but there used to be a spray that was to be used on furniture cloth that was to protect against stains and spills. It bonded with the cloth. I've used that on feather fletching and it helped to some extent. It went help with wet feathers while hunting but a good steaming over a boiling pot of water will bring them back into better shape. Plastic bag secured with a rubber band over the top of the quiver will help or turning the quiver upside down to cover the feathers works in the rain.
Here is one method that can be used to solve the problem of wet, matted-down feather fletching. Though it does not give your arrows the 'look' of a 'traditional' arrow, if you shoot an Extreme FOC arrow with an FOC of 26% or more, you can get all the fight stabilization your arrow needs with the small A&A pattern fletching. Because the fletching cut of the feathers is very short and stiff, they do not mat down when wet. We (ABF) have tested the A&A pattern feather fletchings by soaking them in a bucket of water for 30 minutes and then just shaking the water off, shooting them at 40 yards alternately with matching arrows that have dry fletching and the wet-fletched arrows stabilize, fly, and impact identical to the dry-fletched arrows. The wet feather problem is solved. That testing was done with a 26% FOC arrow and a high Mechanical Advantage fixed-blade broadhead.
When you say “high FOC” can you elaborate on what percentage constitutes “high”. I am running a 540 grain arrow out of a 40 lb bow with 23% FOC. Is this considered moderate or high?
Below 12% FOC is defined as Normal FOC. High FOC is defined as being between 12% and 19%. FOC above 19% and below 30% is defined as Extreme FOC. FOC of 30% or more is defined as Ultra-Extreme FOC.
@@OldDerelict thank you! That is really helpful. Any insight on my above arrow setup? I am new to trad and don’t want to wound deer or pigs. I’ve bow hunted since I was a young lad but this season is the first season I will be hunting with my recurve.
@@BustedLimbOutdoors You're shooting an arrow below the weight of the Heavy Bone Threshold. The "Rule" is for you to shoot the heaviest arrow that gives a trajectory you can live with. If that's 540 grains, that's the arrow weight right for you. Having your arrow's weight below the Heavy Bone Threshold you need to concentrate on the other factors of arrow design that can maximize your arrow's penetration and lethality potential. Work on the flight of EACH ARROW until it is as perfectly tuned as you can get it (especially each arrow you'll be hunting with). That will help your arrow get the most possible from the other penetration-maximizing arrow features. MAKE SURE your arrows have that perfect flight WITH THE BROADHEADS YOU INTEND TO USE. If you can shift any more weight forward on the arrow, do so. It will increase the FOC. Select a broadhead with as high a Mechanical Advantage as you can, always remembering that it must be a strongly-made broadhead that can maintain its structural integrity. You should also select a single-blade broadhead. Avoid multiblade broadheads; they rapidly consume your arrow's momentum during tissue penetration. Stick with a single-bevel broadhead; it will improve your chance of breaching a heavy bone, should your arrow encounter one. Make sure your broadheads have as sharp and smooth an edge finish as you can achieve, and touch those broadheads up frequently, even when you have not shot them. If they were sharpened correctly initially, just a few strokes on a good strop is all it takes to keep your broadheads 'hunt ready.' Look over the 12 Factors of arrow lethality. They are on ABF's website, in the Get Started section. Use the Factors as your toolbox full of things that will get the most out of whatever arrow you are shooting.
@@OldDerelict thank you so much for your insight. I’m running a 200 grain Grizzlystik samurai. I’ve got them flying perfect. I am confident in my arrow setup assuming I impact ribs. Thanks again!
@Electrazeek94 yep the mic was not plugged in all the way. Made 3 videos like this. But if you are not using a single ear bud you can hear it well. This is the last video that was like this
@@SamkoTradBow that's a good tip! I'll put my other ear bud in to tune everyone else out at work lol ,i'd rather listen to you talk about trad hunting and hang on deer stands anyway.
@Electrazeek94 yep was 3 bad videos but don't have the time to remake them. So did the best I could to clean up the audio and make it work. But should be all good for future videos
@noahoakley5894 last 3 vides were all made the same day with the same mic problem This is the last one like this i think. Just need to put in both ear buds
@@JBs-Trad4Crittersgood for you , as I stated , I had zero volume , don't use ear buds . Not his fault , operater failure happens , whatcha gonna do Rich ?
Even real wild turkey fletchings will mat down after awhile in the rain. Good for a couple years, but then the fibres in the quill start to breakdown and the arrows get significantly louder. Something to keep in mind. New arrows for this season and i am going back to using trueflight feathers and will keep them out of the rain with a small bag on my bow quiver. Thanks Samko. Great advice.
@madbearproductions8375 if yoy want to bag them another great tip is use seran wramp and little girl pig tail rubber bands over the seran wrap right in from of the feathers. When need the arro lw pull seran wrap off and don't worry about the tiny rubber band.
What I learned from my mentor is that if your arrows are bare shaft tuned then you have nothing to worry about. Good video and good info!
@@PainTrainOutdoor it's hard to be a well-tuned arrow
I'm with you.I just shoot wet feathers. I've heard of some guys using camp dry.
@@jeffreybagwell1894 yep tune for it and works great
💯 agree on high FOC
It will correct a lot of things for you. Good stuff.
Thanks Jason.
@@JBs-Trad4Critters love the foc
Cool video! Didn't know about spray & cotton ball.
Can't think of the name of it, but there used to be a spray that was to be used on furniture cloth that was to protect against stains and spills. It bonded with the cloth. I've used that on feather fletching and it helped to some extent. It went help with wet feathers while hunting but a good steaming over a boiling pot of water will bring them back into better shape. Plastic bag secured with a rubber band over the top of the quiver will help or turning the quiver upside down to cover the feathers works in the rain.
@@larryreese6146 great tips
@@SamkoTradBow thought of the name of that spray, scotch gaurd.
@@larryreese6146 i bet it would work great
Here is one method that can be used to solve the problem of wet, matted-down feather fletching.
Though it does not give your arrows the 'look' of a 'traditional' arrow, if you shoot an Extreme FOC arrow with an FOC of 26% or more, you can get all the fight stabilization your arrow needs with the small A&A pattern fletching. Because the fletching cut of the feathers is very short and stiff, they do not mat down when wet. We (ABF) have tested the A&A pattern feather fletchings by soaking them in a bucket of water for 30 minutes and then just shaking the water off, shooting them at 40 yards alternately with matching arrows that have dry fletching and the wet-fletched arrows stabilize, fly, and impact identical to the dry-fletched arrows. The wet feather problem is solved. That testing was done with a 26% FOC arrow and a high Mechanical Advantage fixed-blade broadhead.
@@OldDerelict very true
do you suppose you could spray camp dry on the feathers to stop the fletchings from soaking up water
@donwaldroopoutdoors3665 might work. Never tried it but same concept
@@SamkoTradBow ill let u know lol
@@donwaldroopoutdoors3665 😂😂 excited to hear how it goes
Never Wet by Krylon works great.
@@charlesgray372 good to know. Thanks
Trad vanes are nice, but if you even think about looking at them the wrong way they’ll tear.
@sjohn_8627 that is what I have heard. They are paper thin. But hear they work great
When you say “high FOC” can you elaborate on what percentage constitutes “high”.
I am running a 540 grain arrow out of a 40 lb bow with 23% FOC. Is this considered moderate or high?
Below 12% FOC is defined as Normal FOC. High FOC is defined as being between 12% and 19%. FOC above 19% and below 30% is defined as Extreme FOC. FOC of 30% or more is defined as Ultra-Extreme FOC.
@@OldDerelict thank you! That is really helpful. Any insight on my above arrow setup? I am new to trad and don’t want to wound deer or pigs. I’ve bow hunted since I was a young lad but this season is the first season I will be hunting with my recurve.
@@BustedLimbOutdoors You're shooting an arrow below the weight of the Heavy Bone Threshold. The "Rule" is for you to shoot the heaviest arrow that gives a trajectory you can live with. If that's 540 grains, that's the arrow weight right for you. Having your arrow's weight below the Heavy Bone Threshold you need to concentrate on the other factors of arrow design that can maximize your arrow's penetration and lethality potential.
Work on the flight of EACH ARROW until it is as perfectly tuned as you can get it (especially each arrow you'll be hunting with). That will help your arrow get the most possible from the other penetration-maximizing arrow features. MAKE SURE your arrows have that perfect flight WITH THE BROADHEADS YOU INTEND TO USE.
If you can shift any more weight forward on the arrow, do so. It will increase the FOC. Select a broadhead with as high a Mechanical Advantage as you can, always remembering that it must be a strongly-made broadhead that can maintain its structural integrity. You should also select a single-blade broadhead. Avoid multiblade broadheads; they rapidly consume your arrow's momentum during tissue penetration. Stick with a single-bevel broadhead; it will improve your chance of breaching a heavy bone, should your arrow encounter one.
Make sure your broadheads have as sharp and smooth an edge finish as you can achieve, and touch those broadheads up frequently, even when you have not shot them. If they were sharpened correctly initially, just a few strokes on a good strop is all it takes to keep your broadheads 'hunt ready.'
Look over the 12 Factors of arrow lethality. They are on ABF's website, in the Get Started section. Use the Factors as your toolbox full of things that will get the most out of whatever arrow you are shooting.
@@OldDerelict thank you so much for your insight. I’m running a 200 grain Grizzlystik samurai. I’ve got them flying perfect. I am confident in my arrow setup assuming I impact ribs. Thanks again!
You are most welcome, Sir. Good hunting!
If I go to through your affiliate link and buy another product (other than the ones you have linked), do you get paid?
@voodoochild1990 yes. About 1%
@@SamkoTradBow Well that’s easy. Love the content especially from the perspective of someone just trying to get into bow hunting.
@voodoochild1990 glad you are enjoying it all
Sound Bro..I can't hear your videos anymore
Yes, something is messed up with the sound.
@woodslore4672 put in both ear buds. Made 3 videos in one day and with a bad mic. The sound is there just coming thru one channel
@@SamkoTradBow Yep, I had to use my headphones.
@@OldDerelict again apologies. I think this is the last video like that. Was a bad mic day for me.
Your sound is messed up Jason
@Electrazeek94 yep the mic was not plugged in all the way. Made 3 videos like this. But if you are not using a single ear bud you can hear it well. This is the last video that was like this
@@SamkoTradBow that's a good tip! I'll put my other ear bud in to tune everyone else out at work lol ,i'd rather listen to you talk about trad hunting and hang on deer stands anyway.
@Electrazeek94 yep was 3 bad videos but don't have the time to remake them. So did the best I could to clean up the audio and make it work. But should be all good for future videos
Sounds hasn’t been working on the last three videos for me.
@noahoakley5894 last 3 vides were all made the same day with the same mic problem
This is the last one like this i think. Just need to put in both ear buds
@@SamkoTradBow awesome, thanks for the tip!
No sound on this video
@@dougroll8139 there is. It was a bad mic connection. Use both ear buds
No sound.
@ImaOkie sound is there just messed up due to mic not being plugged in all the way. Use both ear buds and you can hear it
@@ImaOkie I heard it clearly
A little fuzzy but plenty clear enough
@@JBs-Trad4Crittersgood for you , as I stated , I had zero volume , don't use ear buds . Not his fault , operater failure happens , whatcha gonna do Rich ?