another reason to hate logan. he ruined taylor who up until that point was a decent and strong leader and murdered david who was the best 24 character ever
I did liked Logan in season 6 but then he sucked a lot on season 8 because of what he did with Taylor, also it wasn't him that murdered Palmer and i don't think he wanted to murder him but he was involved in that cospiracy, the guy who really ordered it was Alan Winson.
I agree. She had so much integrity and strength in Day 7 and most of Day 8, but she lost herself because she wanted the peace treaty so badly. She was a great character though. IMO only 24 and The Sopranos did character development this well.
So tragic that no one knows that Jack didn't just go on a rampage for revenge for Renee, he felt betrayed by his own country and was driven towards nothing but revenge. He lost everything for his country and to be shut out for doing what was right, the last thing he had left, it broke him. That's why he wears the jacket for the remainder of the season. It's meant to symbolise his nakedness. No support, no back up, no morals, no second chances, no false peace, no justice. Just revenge. Taylor has nobody to blame for Bauer's rampage but herself and nobody will ever know.
Except Jack always had a dark side. He's not unsympathetic far from it but if Jack were to loose his moral code he would be far more terrifying than any of the show's other bad guys (hell in Season 8 he is scary until Chloe shocks him back)
I remember this episode. Everyone in CTU was surprised that the POTUS came all the way to personally meet Jack Bauer! President Taylor knows that what she is doing is wrong, and that was why she had to personally show up at CTU to try to talk Jack down in person.
@Scott Ellerby with all due respect it made perfect sense she lost everything family-wise and felt the only thing she had left to preserve and fight for was her legacy as the first female president; the tragedy of her husband leaving her as a punishment for allowing their daughter to face the consequences of her actions, her son being murdered to prevent him from exposing a conspiracy within the government and losing her daughter by sending her to prison along with having a snake like Charles Logan playing The Devil's Advocate and encouraging her to continue dealing with the corrupt Russians broke her and caused her to sacrifice her values and principles; seeing Jack Bauer stand up for his values and principles was a smack in the face to her that she couldn't bear for it brought shame on her and she wasn't going to tolerate it from someone that was not her peer and was not in a position of power like her!
@sboudreaux27 I wouldn't say that she wanted him dead per se but she was willing to allow it to happen for the sake of maintaining her agenda of establishing so-called World Peace between America and other nations including Russia!
Taylor… so blinded by her ambition that she threw away all her principles just for a lie, that is beyond sad, beyond heartbreaking… there are no words.
I think she wanted that peace so bad. I think the root cause was the fact that she lost her son, putting her daughter in jail and got a divorce with her husband. The peace agreement was the only thing she had left. And that was slipping through her fingers. by Logans manipulative tactics she gave in. He knew Taylors history and losses and knew exactly how and which strings to pull....
Everything with 24 was amazing but truly what made it so profound was the acting and the character goals and the lengths they were willing to go to accomplish those goals, misguided or not.
You cannot have peace without justice. Peace is not the absence of conflict, witness the Cold War wherein we only refrained from conflict. The desire for the destruction of the other remained. Our actions might have been considered peaceful, however, that was not our desire. Peace only occurs when all parties are in agreement and mutual respect for the other is evidenced. If justice is demanded by the other and is denied, peace cannot be obtained. The foundation must be built upon common ground.
Jacks real breaking point here. Knowing that the system he’s fought for his whole life is broken and corrupt. Within the context of the show for jack to hear this is heartbreaking. As extreme as his actions late in the day became, the show makes you wholly understand why he went there
Great acting from Cherry Jones at 0:38. That subtle jaw drop indicates that she realizes that keeping Jack quiet is going to be a bigger problem than she thought.
Not just that he also saves her husband and she trusted enough to protect hassan. Does my nut in that he keeps proving himself yet no one listens to him when he speaks
She knew he was right, she willfully chose to disregard him at possible prospect of peace. Previous scene before this showed this was an informed decision. She only came to talk to him to shut him up
This was the only show along with prison break that can do 24 episodes a season and have all episodes stay consistent and stay within the story. Now every show that does 23 episodes they can't stay consistent and have fillers just to fill the numbers.
This is a moral quandary. Does Jack want Justice or to have it, his way? Jack has no problem disobeying orders when he has skin in the game (when Jack disobeyed presidential orders to release nerve gas in a mall). But he will do what’s he’s told, when he isn’t out for revenge (killing someone at CTU).
As Logan once said, 'He will claw his way back from the ends of the earth.' He is man who stands by the spirit and principle of justice. This season begins with him wanting to go with his daughter and her family to LA, to be away from all this. But she understood that a core part of his character is doing the right thing and loyalty to their country. This was a case of both, but as we see time and time again, no one, with the exception of Chloe as she always is there backing him, can match his level of resolve and principle. So here's a better question to your quandary; Which is closer to true peace; a civilization living in a peace bought with lies, deception and the ambition of craven leaders, or one whose citizens' iron dedication to justice and personal conviction not only deters their enemies from action, but in fact earns their respect for it?
President Al was always on extreme in every move and ended up making severe errors that couldn't be mended even after Bauer had a bitter argument with her
Sometimes when you're tired of it all, all you want and need is peace, no more pursuit for justice and revenge, just peace where everyone goes back to their families. Ask this to citizens of countries ravaged by years of fighting and wars, bitterness, hate and hunger.
jack might hv gotten on board if he had time to cool off, she should have detained him and put him under the most maximum security prison for at least a few months, so he can calm down.
I'm no fan of hers, but gtfo with your real-world politics. This show is entertainment. Real-world politics go nothing like what's portrayed on television.
The writers destroyed President Taylor in Season 8. What a tragic character. Sent her daughter to jail. Husband left her. Made Taylor so power hungry for a legacy via "peace" that she resigned from office. She deserved better.
I actually think it made her character more realistic and humanized. We can start out with the best of intentions but over time life, hardships and difficult choices can slowly erode our moral compass
I don't remember clearly the full season, but it just sound's silly that the USA, Russia and the IRK can simply sign a "peace treaty". I mean, wtf, are they serious? :D Three presidents handshake and bum, finally there's peace? The writers must be kids or something
I feel like both characters were assassinated in this scene. Season 8 unfortunately didn't do it for me. They should've stopped after Season 7. Jack was reunited with Kim, and that would've made the perfect ending.
@@cloudtx Jack was broken in Season 7. Upon being on the verge of losing his freedom, he couldn't find it in his heart to forgive himself for everything that happened to him since Day 1. I really liked how he couldn't be in the same room with Kim after she walked out on him in Season 5; hence him saying that he thought he was doing the right thing by staying away, and that he had an even bigger reason to because he was dying. In Season 8, I didn't think there was that great of a connection between Jack and Renee Walker, whose character was also assassinated and I'll get to that shortly. Following her humiliating death, Jack sought to bring her killers to justice and was shut down by President Taylor, who I'll also get to shortly. I've seen Jack be betrayed by a president in Season 5 and to me, him going off the deep end the way that he did ultimately ruined his character as he was planning on moving back to Los Angeles with Kim upon bonding with his granddaughter. I would like to have seen him expose what President Taylor, Suviroff, and Charles Logan were doing as opposed to going on a killing spree. Furthermore, given the ridiculousness of Season 8's story as a whole, I found myself bored from beginning to end when Jack went after the Russian assassins, and later Charles Logan - who I've also seen be brought down already - which to me is redundant. President Taylor's character was assassinated because in Season 7, her character was flawed, yet relatable. Albeit she was screwing up left and right, she hadn't long ago lost her son Roger to the same people undermining her foreign policy. In spite of all that, she managed to see the day through with Jack and the FBI. What's unrealistic is Taylor holding her daughter Olivia accountable for her actions while in Season 8, she tried to cover up dealings and assassinations as a Middle Eastern country was nearing a peace agreement with the US, which was doomed to fail to begin with. To me, this made her character worse than what it was in Season 7. Renee Walker was humiliated before being assassinated in the most horrible way imaginable. At the end of Season 7, she adopted Jack's interrogation tactics upon being warned to make choices she could live with. Nevertheless, she's sexually exploited in order to take down a Russian henchman, and gets popped after riding Jack. As her character had so much potential, I didn't like how her part in the story ended. This is why I feel like these characters were assassinated.
@@kenstu Good points. Season 8 to me was a mistake. I've warmed to parts of it more on repeated viewing of clips, but it was just a season that existed for the hell of it. They should have just postponed production on it for a year or not do it at all and end it when you suggested at season 7, it needed to breathe abit after working hard to rehabilitate the overall premise after the bloated season 6. 7 did a great job, then it should have ended or they should have taken a break. But they just wanted Jack to do Jack things, instead of coming up with good things for Jack to do and good reasons for him to do them. 8 is better on repeated viewing, but yeah, my first sit through was quite disappointing. It's like I like it because it's 24, but it's an off brand version of just the hits and trying to create a story around it. Only good thing to come of it was providing extra padding for Jack's character in Die Another Day, which basically just existed to try and redeem the legacy of the show in some way.
accurate discription. both characters were annhilated. and both had good reasons to make their respective calls. this feels like captain america civil war ..... nobody is right and nobody is wrong. taylor wanting to sacrifice everything for the peace is like tony's decison and jack wanting to sacrifice everything to do the right thing is like captain americas decision. and in the end.... it was all burned to ash, like civil war
This was the turning point of not only this season but also Jack's story arc.
Taylor's fall from grace is one of the saddest scenes in this show.
another reason to hate logan. he ruined taylor who up until that point was a decent and strong leader and murdered david who was the best 24 character ever
I did liked Logan in season 6 but then he sucked a lot on season 8 because of what he did with Taylor, also it wasn't him that murdered Palmer and i don't think he wanted to murder him but he was involved in that cospiracy, the guy who really ordered it was Alan Winson.
@@VitorHunter12 yes, Logan was arrested because he knew about the killing and covered it up. That was his major offence
I agree. She had so much integrity and strength in Day 7 and most of Day 8, but she lost herself because she wanted the peace treaty so badly. She was a great character though. IMO only 24 and The Sopranos did character development this well.
Charles Logan is the ultimate villain. Turning a really good president bad. He was so manipulative and Greg Itzin killed it
I can’t believe Season 8 was 10 years ago already.
Indeed, time flies by so fast
Best show ever
@@KSI_Revelations Absolutely. They had to write 24 episodes of good, consistent story telling.
It’s at times like these Jack wishes David Palmer was president.
She was a rubbish President.
@@millionmiler24 That's democracy buddy. He ran and he lost, deal with it.
@Yo Kiryu Chan!!!! Trump did not loose. The election was stolen.
@millionmiler wow, even this fictional president was a better president than him
So tragic that no one knows that Jack didn't just go on a rampage for revenge for Renee, he felt betrayed by his own country and was driven towards nothing but revenge. He lost everything for his country and to be shut out for doing what was right, the last thing he had left, it broke him. That's why he wears the jacket for the remainder of the season. It's meant to symbolise his nakedness.
No support, no back up, no morals, no second chances, no false peace, no justice. Just revenge.
Taylor has nobody to blame for Bauer's rampage but herself and nobody will ever know.
He wasn't just avenging Renee, he was avenging President Hasan and everyone else who died that day.
Ultimately,it was Renee, trough out the whole show from 1 to 9,he never got this reckless and consumed with blood lost
Except Jack always had a dark side. He's not unsympathetic far from it but if Jack were to loose his moral code he would be far more terrifying than any of the show's other bad guys (hell in Season 8 he is scary until Chloe shocks him back)
@@ryanmoore6259 that is why Jack Bauer is 24's final boss
What jacket?
Hear no evil has David Palmer would say.
Palmer would never have stood for this.
He's got my vote.
This scene is so well executed! Love season 8! Especially that last 6-7 episode final sprint! Like a rollercoaster!
I remember this episode. Everyone in CTU was surprised that the POTUS came all the way to personally meet Jack Bauer! President Taylor knows that what she is doing is wrong, and that was why she had to personally show up at CTU to try to talk Jack down in person.
President Taylors argument to every one of Jack's solid intel: You don't know that!
Taylor is so desperate for peace, she will sacrifice her principles.
@Scott Ellerby with all due respect it made perfect sense she lost everything family-wise and felt the only thing she had left to preserve and fight for was her legacy as the first female president; the tragedy of her husband leaving her as a punishment for allowing their daughter to face the consequences of her actions, her son being murdered to prevent him from exposing a conspiracy within the government and losing her daughter by sending her to prison along with having a snake like Charles Logan playing The Devil's Advocate and encouraging her to continue dealing with the corrupt Russians broke her and caused her to sacrifice her values and principles; seeing Jack Bauer stand up for his values and principles was a smack in the face to her that she couldn't bear for it brought shame on her and she wasn't going to tolerate it from someone that was not her peer and was not in a position of power like her!
@sboudreaux27 I wouldn't say that she wanted him dead per se but she was willing to allow it to happen for the sake of maintaining her agenda of establishing so-called World Peace between America and other nations including Russia!
@The Mystery Man
I said the same thing. In addition to the plot holes and character assassinations, it was downhill for Season 8 following this scene.
@@vmaninc.761 Agreed!
@Dan Wruck Ditto! I love love this season and Logan’s plot to corrupt Taylor.
She is definitely no Palmer
to be fair, who is?
Damn right
No one is at leaat palmer took advice of Jack and gave Jack a time to prove his evidence and waited before making a decision
Taylor… so blinded by her ambition that she threw away all her principles just for a lie, that is beyond sad, beyond heartbreaking… there are no words.
A lie and a hopeless cause.
@@matthewdavis8545 well said
I think she wanted that peace so bad. I think the root cause was the fact that she lost her son, putting her daughter in jail and got a divorce with her husband. The peace agreement was the only thing she had left. And that was slipping through her fingers. by Logans manipulative tactics she gave in. He knew Taylors history and losses and knew exactly how and which strings to pull....
Just reiterates what Jack told Nina during season 1 about compromise.
Jack doesn't give a fuck if she is the president, She is wrong and he is calling her out on it.
Everything with 24 was amazing but truly what made it so profound was the acting and the character goals and the lengths they were willing to go to accomplish those goals, misguided or not.
0:32
That music cue sends shivers down my spine every time, you know from that it’s all too late for Jack to get Justice via the legitimate channels.
Finally someone who notices
It's moments like this that make me not feel sorry for what happens to her at the end of the "day"
This is how hard true peace is in this world of vandetta and retribution.Taylor unintentionally unleashed the dragon
Justice or peace? Put it this way...without justice, there can be no peace. So there ya go. It’s pretty obvious who wins here...
You cannot have peace without justice. Peace is not the absence of conflict, witness the Cold War wherein we only refrained from conflict. The desire for the destruction of the other remained. Our actions might have been considered peaceful, however, that was not our desire.
Peace only occurs when all parties are in agreement and mutual respect for the other is evidenced. If justice is demanded by the other and is denied, peace cannot be obtained. The foundation must be built upon common ground.
President Taylor's character perfectly sums up my Dad's attitudes and worldview
With all due respect madam president, if he wanted revenge he won't be sitting here talking with you.
Taylor is basically the Darth Vader of this season and Logan is the Emperor
Yes! Taylor was one my favorites for sure.
well said
So Bauer is Starkiller technically
I’m reminded of what President Daniels said to President Taylor. “Nothing about this job is simple, just…jagged edges and moving parts.”
Why not continue investigating in secret, and still fully do the peace deal, and THEN release the dirt after all is said and done on the treaty?
Jacks real breaking point here. Knowing that the system he’s fought for his whole life is broken and corrupt. Within the context of the show for jack to hear this is heartbreaking. As extreme as his actions late in the day became, the show makes you wholly understand why he went there
Great acting from Cherry Jones at 0:38. That subtle jaw drop indicates that she realizes that keeping Jack quiet is going to be a bigger problem than she thought.
You'd think she would hive Jack the benefit of the doubt, with him saving her back in the last season
Not just that he also saves her husband and she trusted enough to protect hassan. Does my nut in that he keeps proving himself yet no one listens to him when he speaks
She knew he was right, she willfully chose to disregard him at possible prospect of peace. Previous scene before this showed this was an informed decision. She only came to talk to him to shut him up
This was the only show along with prison break that can do 24 episodes a season and have all episodes stay consistent and stay within the story. Now every show that does 23 episodes they can't stay consistent and have fillers just to fill the numbers.
Yes
Except prison break sucked ass
Peace Based on a lie is not peace at all. It’s the same thing over and over again, avoidance and deception; the sin of spin.
This is a moral quandary. Does Jack want Justice or to have it, his way? Jack has no problem disobeying orders when he has skin in the game (when Jack disobeyed presidential orders to release nerve gas in a mall). But he will do what’s he’s told, when he isn’t out for revenge (killing someone at CTU).
As Logan once said, 'He will claw his way back from the ends of the earth.' He is man who stands by the spirit and principle of justice. This season begins with him wanting to go with his daughter and her family to LA, to be away from all this. But she understood that a core part of his character is doing the right thing and loyalty to their country. This was a case of both, but as we see time and time again, no one, with the exception of Chloe as she always is there backing him, can match his level of resolve and principle. So here's a better question to your quandary; Which is closer to true peace; a civilization living in a peace bought with lies, deception and the ambition of craven leaders, or one whose citizens' iron dedication to justice and personal conviction not only deters their enemies from action, but in fact earns their respect for it?
There can never be peace without justice
Facts
Jack respects the office the president, often despite who inhabits it. But I feel like Palmer was the only one he respected as a man and as a leader.
palmer was the best president on the show so it makes sense
Justice or peace ? Not an easy one to choose... But ultimately true peace is built where and when there is Justice.
The last lines nailed it
I’m so glad he stopped saying “nucular” later on.
The point of no return for Jack Bauer ..Dammit Taylor you should listened to him , now there's no way of happy ending for Jack 😭
President Al was always on extreme in every move and ended up making severe errors that couldn't be mended even after Bauer had a bitter argument with her
President Taylor represented Eve in the Garden then came along the serpent, Charles Logan.
Sometimes when you're tired of it all, all you want and need is peace, no more pursuit for justice and revenge, just peace where everyone goes back to their families.
Ask this to citizens of countries ravaged by years of fighting and wars, bitterness, hate and hunger.
jack might hv gotten on board if he had time to cool off, she should have detained him and put him under the most maximum security prison for at least a few months, so he can calm down.
@@jeffescanto bauer would have accepted justice but it was denied by taylor and logan etc, so he had to take matters into his own more capable hands
Hate all presidents besides Palmer and Logan. Everyone else just lacked that special something.
I kinda have to agree with Jack more because of what he just said was true
Way better than Hillary
I'm no fan of hers, but gtfo with your real-world politics. This show is entertainment. Real-world politics go nothing like what's portrayed on television.
@@apple54345 It's always good to bring in politics. GTFO with your whiny ass
This ladies and gentlemen, is why our country can't move forward.
@@apple54345 Well the politicians on this show does show what government is like in real life because politicians care about no one but themselves
Justice won out.
This President was so patronising.
The writers destroyed President Taylor in Season 8. What a tragic character. Sent her daughter to jail. Husband left her. Made Taylor so power hungry for a legacy via "peace" that she resigned from office. She deserved better.
I actually think it made her character more realistic and humanized. We can start out with the best of intentions but over time life, hardships and difficult choices can slowly erode our moral compass
The Road to Eagle
Am for justice
I don't remember clearly the full season, but it just sound's silly that the USA, Russia and the IRK can simply sign a "peace treaty". I mean, wtf, are they serious? :D Three presidents handshake and bum, finally there's peace? The writers must be kids or something
That happens in real life
That really happens believe it in diplomatic matters.
@@ExistentHope I am a member of a faculty research group that is specialized in diplomacy ;)
Allegedly
See? Lots of people say “nucular.” Even Jack Bauer.
what show is this
24
Jack, putting on a pussyhat and holding a white sign above his head, begins to shout "NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!"
It's hilldog
I feel like both characters were assassinated in this scene.
Season 8 unfortunately didn't do it for me. They should've stopped after Season 7. Jack was reunited with Kim, and that would've made the perfect ending.
I don't disagree with you that S7 should've been the end even though I liked S8. But why do you think this scene assassinated their characters?
@@cloudtx
Jack was broken in Season 7. Upon being on the verge of losing his freedom, he couldn't find it in his heart to forgive himself for everything that happened to him since Day 1. I really liked how he couldn't be in the same room with Kim after she walked out on him in Season 5; hence him saying that he thought he was doing the right thing by staying away, and that he had an even bigger reason to because he was dying. In Season 8, I didn't think there was that great of a connection between Jack and Renee Walker, whose character was also assassinated and I'll get to that shortly. Following her humiliating death, Jack sought to bring her killers to justice and was shut down by President Taylor, who I'll also get to shortly. I've seen Jack be betrayed by a president in Season 5 and to me, him going off the deep end the way that he did ultimately ruined his character as he was planning on moving back to Los Angeles with Kim upon bonding with his granddaughter. I would like to have seen him expose what President Taylor, Suviroff, and Charles Logan were doing as opposed to going on a killing spree.
Furthermore, given the ridiculousness of Season 8's story as a whole, I found myself bored from beginning to end when Jack went after the Russian assassins, and later Charles Logan - who I've also seen be brought down already - which to me is redundant.
President Taylor's character was assassinated because in Season 7, her character was flawed, yet relatable. Albeit she was screwing up left and right, she hadn't long ago lost her son Roger to the same people undermining her foreign policy. In spite of all that, she managed to see the day through with Jack and the FBI. What's unrealistic is Taylor holding her daughter Olivia accountable for her actions while in Season 8, she tried to cover up dealings and assassinations as a Middle Eastern country was nearing a peace agreement with the US, which was doomed to fail to begin with. To me, this made her character worse than what it was in Season 7.
Renee Walker was humiliated before being assassinated in the most horrible way imaginable. At the end of Season 7, she adopted Jack's interrogation tactics upon being warned to make choices she could live with. Nevertheless, she's sexually exploited in order to take down a Russian henchman, and gets popped after riding Jack. As her character had so much potential, I didn't like how her part in the story ended. This is why I feel like these characters were assassinated.
@@kenstu wow.
@@kenstu Good points. Season 8 to me was a mistake. I've warmed to parts of it more on repeated viewing of clips, but it was just a season that existed for the hell of it. They should have just postponed production on it for a year or not do it at all and end it when you suggested at season 7, it needed to breathe abit after working hard to rehabilitate the overall premise after the bloated season 6. 7 did a great job, then it should have ended or they should have taken a break. But they just wanted Jack to do Jack things, instead of coming up with good things for Jack to do and good reasons for him to do them. 8 is better on repeated viewing, but yeah, my first sit through was quite disappointing. It's like I like it because it's 24, but it's an off brand version of just the hits and trying to create a story around it. Only good thing to come of it was providing extra padding for Jack's character in Die Another Day, which basically just existed to try and redeem the legacy of the show in some way.
accurate discription. both characters were annhilated. and both had good reasons to make their respective calls.
this feels like captain america civil war ..... nobody is right and nobody is wrong.
taylor wanting to sacrifice everything for the peace is like tony's decison and jack wanting to sacrifice everything to do the right thing is like captain americas decision. and in the end.... it was all burned to ash, like civil war
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When Jack Bauer started pronouncing nuclear and nukular, I stopped liking the show.
That annoyed me too and think it should've been rectified, but I still enjoyed the show.
we want Hillary Clinton now NOW
Hahaha, this is funny as hell now.
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