VKB -T RUDDER Pedal Kit Mk iv - The Report - Review & Overview -
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I'm glad to see this sort of quality product make it into the market. With arcades going away, people can build their dream machine with fully immersive solutions.
I'm using them for almost two years now and I'm very happy with them. I really like that they don't lift the feet position like the ch product or thrustnaster tm16000 pedals.
The tm16000 pedals give you the possibility of removing the centering spring if you want.
I have some random story about the vkb support.
I've bought these pedals almost 2 years ago especially for Star Citizen.
They worked perfectly. I've paused the game for about 2 months and suddenly they stopped working. Double checked everything. Looked Interwebs. Nothing helped. Finally contacted the vkb support via email/Forum.
There was no detail we missed: Software (installed a few tools), hardware, the blackbox. Everything. 3-4 days later(trial and error) the very helpful support recommended to contact the customer service.
I've send the billing info and about a week and some mails later a new blackbox arrived. Plugged in. All good again.
Moral of the story: Had to get used to the trial and error support, but in the end, I've learned a ton of interesting stuff about the pedals and it's software.
Sounds like a great support result.
Very nice to see.
So these don't just plug and play for star citizen?
One of the best things of these pedals is how they have beeen designed to be used with office/PC chairs with wheels without any problems. Movement of the pedals is up/down, so you don't move them around just by using them, they stay where you place them. I'm a bit surprised Noobifier did not emphasize this a bit more in the videoo. People who use chairs with wheels and are looking for "non dancing around" pedals should look no further, these are perfect. Build quality is full metal, MARS sensors, VKB standard "build for life" stuff: you can throw the pedals against the floor... and you will break the floor, not the pedals.
It is good.
This is the way
Thats what I was looking for and what I suspected.
THATS the selling point. Brb adding to cart.
These are by far the most comfortable and useful pedals I have ever tried especially for a space sim. Crossing the access is very smooth with no annoying bump. Not sure if my final set up will use pedals at all for SC but if it does it will be these and probably for strafe forward/backward OR with 3.5 to adjust the new speed limiter fine tuning. I probably wont use them for roll or Yaw because ill have dual twist sticks BUT these are super smooth and accurate and don't take the same kind of force as other pedals so you definitely COULD if you wanted to and still hit shots in SC fast paced twitch dogfighting pre 3!5
Same here, been using my VKBs for a little over three years now and they have been perfect. Very good quality and at the time I purchased them they were about the only metal heavy duty pedals available.
I realize this is an older video but it is still relevant.
I just received my VKB pedals and for the price paid am very happy with the construction quality and smoothness of these pedals for not much more money than many bigger brands are getting for their cheap plastic pedals.
I also checked into the Virpil Warbird pedals but they were not in stock where these were and at about the same price point.
One thing though that really sold me on these was my gaming rig is set up primarily as a racing rig and I convert it to speak of when I want to play flight games. Due to this the small footprint of these pedals and actually the up/down motion of these pedals actually are better suited to how and where I want to use them. There is a good probability even if the warbird pedals had of also been in stock I still may have bought these instead due to the above reasons alone.
Considering I am not a pilot and will never fly an actual WW2 fighter or F 14/15 the pedals lacking toe brakes (which the Warbird series lacks as well) along with the not actually correct foot movement to control the rudder is of little concern as I still have the proper rudder control using my feet and can bind the brake controls to other buttons which makes it close enough for government work as they say.
I will say if you are looking for rudder pedals, spend the few dollars more and get a well made metal set that will probably last forever over the cheap plastic bigger brand name offerings.
Also this is my second purchase from VKB and both purchases the product has arrived to my door in the U.S.A from China in exactly one week from the time of pushing the buy button to unpacking my purchased product, sometimes I can order from companies that ship from the other side of my own country and the delivery time is no quicker!
One customer that is very happy with VKB products for a mid tier level of flight sim gear!
No toe brakes, that IS a dealbreaker..... I'm trying to build as realistic a flight simulator as possible.
there is a software setting that works well...it switches to a differential breakinh system similar to the russian wwii and british wwii planes which use a break on the stick paired with either the stick or rudder to choose which breaks to use
Wow, the craftsmanship is super apparent in these pedals. Great review Noobifier!
NOOBIFIER this is an amazingly good and well done video review series. Thank You for all you do.
Just few hours before the video release I received finally my pair of this pedals and here is their review :) Perfect!
Solid review, as usual. This is one of those rare pieces of flight sim gear that I actually had before you reviewed it. I really like them as well. Very small and compact, very accurate, very durable.
I've been using these for about a year now, and they are great, they are very comfortable to use as you can rest your heels on the floor, I use one of my TM Warthog throttle axis for braking which works great, so i doesn't miss the brake funktion on this pedals at all.
Do you feel they sit too close to the ground making foot movement awkward? Been thinking about getting these seeing that they are the cheapest option for an all metal construction.
I like all the info you're pedaling, Noobifier!!
Absolutely, those pedals will do the job. VKB does offer "Software Solution" for a toe brake function so you have have that added. For the price (at posting) $215 USD (+shipping from China) it's a solid price for metal pedals.
Virpils WarBird pedals are around the same price, they also DO NOT have mechanical toe brakes (no software option either). The 3 axis Virpil Ace Intercepter jumps to an addition $100... So know what you reaaaaallly want and need. Unless it's all just chump change to you, then by all means be that balla.
Personally I'm a Virpil slut, a filthy dirty boy whose taste for these fine European controls has lead to a few... rather, many dirty looks from my wife.
Thanks again for your video. I've been using these ones for about two years after my Saitek broke (no comparison, these one are 100% better).
They are excellent, and I'm very happy with them, even though I thought that the toe brakes were a compromise, VKB offers a virtual toe brake functionality. I'm a hardcore flight sim player and after two years, I never had the need to set it up. Yeah, you'll miss them in some particular differential brake aircrafts that dont provide the ability to map an alternative, but those are rare cases.
That said, playing with a recent firmware update, I tried to set up the toe brakes and I gave up with no success.
Either I'm using the wrong software, the software or documentation is obsolete or I'm doing something wrong, but considering that I'm a very techy person if I'm missing something, then I'd have to say that configuring the virtual toes is extremely complicated.
Never the less, I think these pedals are the best option out there.
If you and I are having issues making virtual toe work, it’s either broken or too complicated
I have investigated them already. I like the obvious build quality, and the fact that it combines well with the controllers. However, as you mentioned, the lack of toe brake makes this product less desirable for me. If I am going to pay a premium price, the product must do everything I want.
What did u end up getting
Want the whole set up!! one day will be placing an order. Thanks for the reviews!
Same but best to wait until at least Squadron 42 episode 1 comes out because both VKB and Virpil come out with new products and revisions every year or so.
Nice. I didn't know they made pedals.
they began their careers with pedals. There was nothing like it in those days. This model is certainly different from the first - it is so successful that it has not changed in recent years.
Just ordered this morning and are already shipped. Replacing my plastic thrustmasters
I am considering doing the same but I am curious, I have a TM Warthog setup atm. How will these work with that? For games that only detect one input am I out of luck? I would assume this will not work with target software so I am curious if you have come up with a solution assuming/hoping you own them by now.
Not having toe breaks is an odd choice. Most flight sim guys are going to really want that and they are the primary market. That kills it for me. They are a lot cheaper than the best out there but are by no means cheap.
It's because they are base on helicopter pedals and you can notice that the pedals themselves move quite like toe brakes so it wouldn't be possible.
Well, according to the description on VKB's website, "virtual" toe brake functionality is configurable via software. No idea how that works with only 1 axis though. 🤷♂️ Build quality looks awesome and I love the minimalist design and compactness (without being so stupidly narrow like my plastic Thrustmaster's), that I'd be tempted to get these to replace my TM's, but no toe brakes is a deal breaker.
@@JP-fs4cl Without owning these pedals i assume the "virtual toe brake" uses the pedals software to assign a percentage of the axis that counts as brakes, pushing beyond this threshold would operate the rudder normally
I wouldn't have originally thought they would be comfortable. Good to know :)
TBH they're the most comfortable pedals I have ever tried out of Crosswinds, CH, Saitek, and these. These don't have toe breaks, but aside from that they're better in every way and don't slide around at all or require you to mount them. You can just sit in a regular comfortable office chair like a herman Miller aeron and not roll around because you're pressing down instead of out/forward
@@LordBattleSmurf Thank you in really glad to hear that. Looking into a sim pit once I am settled and pedals would be awesome.
i'd love to see them make available a kit to change the feel of the units to a heli/rotor like. a friction like setup, without a spring back to the center/zero.
This is why Virpil made TorQue ACE
@@NOOBIFIER1337... not keen on the Virpil as it pivots around a center point, resulting in forward backward movement vs the more pedal up/down of the VKB,
@@georgelza ruclips.net/video/S_EGFQpNm10/видео.htmlsi=Nfwwrvv6akUfUT1f like this?
I can attest that this is an excellent product. Works very well for Star Citizen, especially if your have a twist axis on your stick.
Looking pretty good and actually useful!
Really good if your 'pit' is an office chair. Since your feet go up and down instead of front/back you aren't as likely to push yourself away from the pedals.
Thank you for the awesome reviews! They are very helpful.
Thanks Noob, as with all vkb stuff it looks amazing, lol, maybe after I retire out of the Navy and get another job I'll be able to save up 😋
1:04 USPS "is this a challenge?"
Such nice toys you play with. Envious.
So if I have HOSAS with VKB NXTs and DON'T want to get a black box, are these plug-and-play (like the NXTs) where you can just plug it in? Or is that not an option? I'm going to check out their website and see if they have information. They look like really good pedals.
Edit: Oh, it seems when you buy the pedals, they come with a black box. If that's the case... you just plug the pedals into the box and the box into the PC? Sounds like at that point, you might require software? I'm sure the software is fine, I just like the option of 'plug it in and do as little as possible, software wise'. Once drivers and software gets involved, it starts to have points-of-failure that CAN'T be easily remedied.
You get everything you need in the box
Just got RX Viper rudder pedals...omg amazing 😁
Southy didn’t know virpil did them now but seriously impressed with the quality of the Slaw’s, so much glossy black metal
Toe Brakes would be nice, especially for the price. Plus it's a strange action considering it is more like Toe Brakes in its movement than actual Aircraft Pedals.
You always have great gear review, Brother! Nicely done.
Thanks for your video- how do they compare to the mfg crosswinds? Do you have a preference?
Seems good. Thanks for the review.
Perfect for Heli sim pilots or Space sims. These are obviously 6DOF rudder pedals. Toe brakes not required.
How do you adjust the length of the pedals? I see where I'm supposed to loosen the hex nuts, but the key they provide doesn't fit...
The width? Or the length?
@@NOOBIFIER1337 The length...I had to grab my own tools to make it work because what they provided wouldn't catch. Can you add to the width as well?
MFG for the win
thanks need toe breaks love my other vkb
i wish any of the vkb gear was regularly available as the next shipment of vkb gunfighter mk.2 stick and pedals are not coming till june
For someone who has never used rudders can someone explain to me what a toe brake is and what it does? And no, this is not a troll. I really want to know.
Skott62 on a plane they let you apply wheel brakes when landing or taxi. (Search for “Noobifier mfg”)
@@@NOOBIFIER1337 Oh, okay. I knew they had something to do with braking I just didnt know what exactly.
How did I know when I went looking for a review for my next expansion into the flight control devices that I would find one of your videos. No joke i had a grin on my face when it popped up. I'll just come to your page first from now on. :P
So on to details: I'm looking at hte T-rudder and the MFG Crosswind. Now sure which one I should get and your recommendation would help.
To go along with that, what i'm using it for: I am still debating on using pedals on SC for either 1. Roll or two Throttle. Again your thoughts on this would be of value to me.
Either product I go with I can try out each aspect - roll or throttle - but it's choice of one or the other.
Thanks again Noobifier!
I appreciate the support.
they are also incredibly quiet, so if your gaming pc is in a room above your kid it won't keep them awake as you play.. :-)
The question becomes are the toe brakes worth the step up. Next better set of rudders are the crosswinds which are currently $337 shipped to North America without extra cams. T Rudder is $230 shipped (1 left on amazon). So is the toe brake worth $100+ to you? Most people I know say no, and get the VKB if they can, and the Crosswinds if they can't. (VKB products are often out of stock).
My issue isn't even cost, its comfort, practicality, and smoothness. With Crosswinds you have to push out rather than straight down and they have slightly more resistance/ center bump. With VKB T Rudder i don't need a special cockpit or contraption to keep them in place i can just sit normally in my hermen miller aeron chair and press down and they don't slide at all or make my legs tired/cramped after an hour
Thanks for the review. I'm curious, have you ever tried using driving pedals as controls in SC? Either as rudder pedals or as acceleration/braking? What was your experience?
I have not, but I know there are some that do. They use a software to bind them as one axis
@TheNOOBIFIER1337
don't you have problems with virpil joysticks since the last firmware update ? :(
Exaust _N7 I have not had issues, no
quality product - I use them myself
Ahaa.. they never have them in stock... when i got letter in morning "back in stock".. on the evening out of stock again.. nice that they do comercialls.. but they need to get what to sell..
Just got my VKB Kosmosima stick and love it... You going to do a Review on it too?
If I can get my hands on a set, yes
please let me know the width of these pedals are these wider than saitek pedals? thanks
I don't have the Saitec, but VKB are 15" wide and 8.5" front to back (the cable plugs straight in the back so you need to leave room for that, i.e. more room than 8.5" front to back.
CH Pro Pedals are 13" wide and 14" front to back. (the USB plugs in the back of the CH pedals too, need room for that, i.e. more than 14" front to back. But CH Pro pedals very narrow 13".
@@acratone8300 thanks man
Thanks N00b!
Looks cool bit i would miss my toe breaks
Thanks, Noob!
I have been using a set of very cheap USB typist/secretarial pedals to give me three foot buttons. What would be the advantage to a set of pedals like this for me? I can understand that I would gain an advantage if I transferred to a toe brake system.
Well, they aren’t On/Off for starters.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Yeah, I get that mine are just on/off switches compared to a variable curve measure. Maybe I should ask the advantage/benefits Vs drawbacks of the additional toe brake system. I have never flown using that and would like more info on how useful/easy it is when considering a flight pedal purchase. Thanks
Some people use toe brake as gas for buggy
Thoughts on the VIPRIL rudders compared to this ?
Can’t. Haven’t tested them yet
yeah i also dont know which to choose
I did a video on the VirPil pedals
TheNOOBIFIER1337 Which one would you prefer? They both look fantastic ;)
angoing I have all three in my house and I am currently using the WarBRD pedals. I feel that I won’t change back.
Like it all, except the pedals. Should definitely have a flat pedal instead of the bars.
I think that was done because of the adjustable height
Nice
Just ordered them. The toe brakes can be simulated with the twist of the joystick if it has one.
Would be more useful if showed how to do the calibration, especially on linux...
How long will the pedals last? I'm considering buying one of these.
I mean they’re made out of metal, unless you’re standing on them or being hard on the last forever
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I meant any part inside that tends to get broken or must be cleaned up repeatedly for the pedals to function like new? Are the pedals vulnerable to dust infiltration?
@@weebitteeateeweebit No, unless you live in a dirty place, like I wouldn’t take them camping. But they’re designed to sit on the floor, I don’t know how else to describe. I’m not concerned that they’ll fail fast because they are dirty
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Ok thanks
I would love to see a comparison between these, Thrustmaster TPR, Crosswinds and RX Vipers. I don't know of anyone who has all of them though.
That’s about 3500$ worth of controller.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 According to my math it adds up to around 1700$ (+ customs depending on your location). Still very expensive though.
I have pairs of items as spares
is there a way to add a damper on this?
Probably you can modify it, it’s a pretty entry level set and I don’t think there is a need for a dampener
@@NOOBIFIER1337yes look like it, i'll probably wait till the TPR gets back in stock and go for those. Because anyway this ones look kind of small . Thanks man!
Good video Noob! Imo they are the best value for money unless you really need toe brakes.
I recently got the Thrusmaster TPR pedals and they are by far the smoothest and most accurate pedals I have ever used due to their pendular system, but it’s not a fair comparison because they are not in the same price range.
Are their toe brakes for use flight sims
Airbrusher Games and art they have no toe break axis on them. There is software that can offer some of that functionality
Can you review the thrustmaster tpr !?
Carl Family if I can get some, yes
I want those sooo much :(
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I dont see any brakes????
Yo ski none
No toe brakes no deal….
Yeah they are a bit limited
No toe brakes?
On this.. no
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I found this brand called mfg. Looking at reviews now. I want something of quality I fly the f18 and f16 in dcs. Any recommendations? I am more on the prosumer level so after quality rather than budget. I like things that lasts 😀
yes, the lack of toe brakes is in fact a deal breaker for me. surprising given the cost.
I would rather get the Crosswinds :D
No toe breaks = no deal. Unfortunately. We need more competitive products!
No cat socks????? Noob I'm disappointed.
I bet the heli aim guys like these... me
They are fine for Heli
Might make something about vkb total lack of customer support...just saying.