Hbox seems like he's dealing with some out of melee issues. When you watch the video of him in Slippi League his eyes are black as hell. He couldn't concentrate. And he was actually pretty strange. Who knows it could be severe lack of sleep causing all that those things but I am 100% sure he is not himself.
I think he's just making so much more money doing ultimate and it is much less stressful. But then again he left his stable job before for melee so idrk.
Homie hasn’t been able to play with US players in almost a year (outside of 3f buffer shit). Meanwhile, everyone else has been practicing non stop. That being said, leffen is excellent will be able catchup as soon as he is given the chance.
Prime example at 6:15, where Zain is about to say something about the Marth v Pika matchup, and Leffen cuts him off to say his 2 cents. Zain (the Marth expert) never gets to talking about it because Lef drags on so long and changes the topic. WTF!
Yeah I agree, they are a group so they should all have a chance to speak. In the same way when Mango asked Leffen specifically if Leffen thought anyone besides him or Zain would win. Leffen can open the floor more for his cohosts. I think he is trying and he's not solely focused on himself but this is something can be greatly improved so we can get more great insight from everyone.
I think Leffen feels a responsibility as the host to minimize dead air so he fills in. Last episode there was times where Mango and Zain were just quiet, although this epi everyone was heated lol
Yeah Leffen clearing dead air and also ensuring the stay on topic or transition effectively are important and he does a very good job at that. At the same time if his cohost have things to say he can let them vibe or ask them what they were going to say if he did interrupt. Oversll, this is hands down my favorite podcast, great to see insight from top players that love the game.
Armada is the pinnacle humble bragger 😂 Someone will bring up GOAT/BOAT and that man comes out of the woodwork everyyy time "Most consistent, I didn't lose outside the top 6 for 40 years, never place worse than 5th my whole career. I might be bias but it not close.."
He's quite insecure about it for some reason. Thing is, he's completely right and you're just a delusional schizo if you think Armada isn't undisputed GOAT (it isn't close).
@@il100374 Jordan actually has a strong argument for being the GOAT beyond popularizing basketball (stats/achievements) lmao. I've never heard this "hype = GOAT" argument in sports or games outside of some insane Lebron-haters claiming he killed basketball and, well, Mango cultists. For example in football Pelé was FIFA's poster boy for years and popularized the sport but absolutely nobody takes that into consideration when evaluating him as a GOAT candidate.
I'm really sad hax$ isn't playing in online tournaments since he was looking really good at genisis. That being said it's better than him entering and complaing about online, so if he knows he can't get in the headspace to play online I think it's the right decision
@@ididntknow273 They're not usually as full though. Have you seen an Asian with a beard as full as Zains? They're all rocking Fu manchus and long patchy chin hair lol
Uh? Let's look at Hbox here: >years of being #2 >most hated player >finally becomes #1 >forces the sniper to retire >reigns supreme till c*v*d happens >reigns supreme till Ultimate takes off >reigns supreme till he becomes, at times, the #1 Smash streamer But only a Mang0 fan will claim Mang0 was the GOAT, even then, and that is why the rest of the community doesn't take Mang0 fans seriously. It's only because of Hbox telling Mang0 he's GOAT that I even consider Mang0 above Hbox. What does Mang0 really have? He was the best before any real competition entered the fray? Pfffff. He's the best now than every other god isn't playing seriously or at all? Pfffffffffffffffff. We'll see if he keeps playing well in 2022. 2020 didn't count and 2021 could be a fluke.
Love how mang0 keeps mentioning the full time streamer / competitor balance and how hbox might just not be cut out for that. I seem to remember mang0 going an entire year without a significant melee victory as he johned away over caring more about his stream. I’m sure hbox also just needs some time to adjust to gaining a similar balance. Mhm mhm
Armada has to the be GOAT, the way he left the scene was crazy, doing it with both peach and fox, then just starts speed running SM64... idk that seems kinda GOATish, him defending himself is just how prideful he is of his work ethic in my opinion, especially that he isnt American
I never thought I'd see the day where I'd get hyped for hbox camping ibdw, but when hbox started playing like himself breifly in the money match I was genuninely excited. Hbox let me down :/
Armada has always had a huge ego about his legacy lol. His ego is so big to the point where he had to argue with random teenagers on twitter to prove his goat status which is probably the least goat thing to do imo.
I think Armada sees the meta as tech amd punish game and dosen't attribute much weight to matchup pratice an just playing people everyday in general because his training regimen was mostly playing alone and praticing tech and punish and relying on his talent to overcome his opponents and matchups. And honestly I feel like most people kinda see meta like that, this idea of "the meta is strictly to know what is optimal for my character to do", disregarding the effect of raw experience across the entire top 100. Besides CCing being way more prevalent, really the meta hasn't changed much in that sense and even that is something I can easely see armada adapting to very quickly, but what armada would've struggled with in the current meta is just the amount of players that can do everything well and have the experience and confidence to pull it off even versus a top player. He would have to be dealing with many more better players if he was playing today. Thats the 2020 meta.
Saw someone talk about you milking ads big leff, fuck that guy, make your money. It hasn't been easy for you in europe. I always support your content. Much love.
No need for results and legacy sheets Mang0 is the GOAT because he is the one person that actually shapes Melee better The goat can't be the guy who quits twice THAT'S IT No more useless "blablabla"
A friend of mine said "E sports doesn't have locker room talk." I showed him this and explained who the people are. He just says "They're spilling more tea then we did at Boston harbor." (We're Americans)
For anyone who doesn’t know, the title of the podcast is a reference to Leffen’s Height being 6 foot and Zain’s height being 4 foot.
2 Foot Zain is what they call him
Mangos just in the middle
Mans speaking facts here
In agreement with TheAngryPotato, facts are truly being spoken
In mutual agreement with TheAngryPotato and CashT, I also conclude that facts have been orated
Really like the show! Does the 6:4 refer to the ratio of ads to content?
RUclips Premium 🙏 RUclips Vanced 🙏
@@Mannydude96 what if u got ios and is too poor for premi- wait no, who am i kidding, all apple users love wasting money
Gotta support the boys, melee doesn't get the kind of viewers that other content categories get
RUclips Vanced for life 😎 havent seen an ad in 5 years.
@@Slival_ the creator chooses the amount of ads, unless the video is copyright claimed by someone else
This podcast was such a great idea. Makes the community feel more alive
I had trouble finding the Spotify podcast cause I was searching for "Mango" when I should've searched for "Mang0"
same lol
Mang0 will never sell out lol
okay so we got Alladin, some random hobo, and vegeta speaking about this game called melee and it's amazing.
This made my day! Thank you, dude 😂😂😂
I would compare Leffen more to Bakugo from my hero academia with that hair and personality, although he’s not pissed all the time
@@raghavpatel720 He is 100% the Vegeta of Melee
@@raghavpatel720 he's like if bakugou were more grown up and mature
mang0 is jesus
Jesus leff you really milkin those midroll adds
trackbar yellower than captain falcon's scarf
ublock origin
He’s tryna get that schmoney
ublock origin
@@2SeizeTheDay society is so horrible, we must riot and rise up against the patriarchy
this was a good ep, i think theyre getting into the flow of things
my life didnt need another podcast... until these 3 got together
I want drunk S2J on. Like just put him several drinks ahead of everyone else
Drunk S2J is regular S2J, just less comprehensible
i've recently started watching his stream, and he has the funniest rants when he's drinking. no one is safe.
@@Vyrophyl the way he stumbles away drunkily after popping off on a win is really just something else
Hbox seems like he's dealing with some out of melee issues. When you watch the video of him in Slippi League his eyes are black as hell. He couldn't concentrate. And he was actually pretty strange. Who knows it could be severe lack of sleep causing all that those things but I am 100% sure he is not himself.
Maybe he is on heroin?
@@jimtroeltsch5998 lmao what
Hes just not practicing melee and he makes a ton of money placating 14 yr old ultimate fans
I think he's just making so much more money doing ultimate and it is much less stressful. But then again he left his stable job before for melee so idrk.
@@leandro6285 Or maybe he's hoofing H. Probably what's going on.
38:48 take a shot every time mango says “like”
Honestly shocked how humble Leffen is in this video. He was ranked #2 in 2019 but he seemed to agree with Mango when Mango said, "you're maybe top 5"
Homie hasn’t been able to play with US players in almost a year (outside of 3f buffer shit). Meanwhile, everyone else has been practicing non stop. That being said, leffen is excellent will be able catchup as soon as he is given the chance.
timestamp?
Mang0 just to provokes him and he doesn't act upon it.
@@jacobcore6278 Everyone does use Slippy now. Do you sleep under a rock?
@@matthiasschuster9505 timestamp?
I enjoy the podcast. It would be nice if Leffen deferred to the others and allowed them to talk a bit more though. Either way, keep up the podcasts!
Prime example at 6:15, where Zain is about to say something about the Marth v Pika matchup, and Leffen cuts him off to say his 2 cents. Zain (the Marth expert) never gets to talking about it because Lef drags on so long and changes the topic. WTF!
I agree
Yeah I agree, they are a group so they should all have a chance to speak. In the same way when Mango asked Leffen specifically if Leffen thought anyone besides him or Zain would win. Leffen can open the floor more for his cohosts. I think he is trying and he's not solely focused on himself but this is something can be greatly improved so we can get more great insight from everyone.
I think Leffen feels a responsibility as the host to minimize dead air so he fills in. Last episode there was times where Mango and Zain were just quiet, although this epi everyone was heated lol
Yeah Leffen clearing dead air and also ensuring the stay on topic or transition effectively are important and he does a very good job at that. At the same time if his cohost have things to say he can let them vibe or ask them what they were going to say if he did interrupt. Oversll, this is hands down my favorite podcast, great to see insight from top players that love the game.
Thanks for posting these! Love to hear thought of these top players speaking with each other.
Armada is the pinnacle humble bragger 😂
Someone will bring up GOAT/BOAT and that man comes out of the woodwork everyyy time
"Most consistent, I didn't lose outside the top 6 for 40 years, never place worse than 5th my whole career. I might be bias but it not close.."
I think he was pinnacle humble bragger til he started dropping all his accomplishments in twitter threads lmao he was a monster tho
He's quite insecure about it for some reason. Thing is, he's completely right and you're just a delusional schizo if you think Armada isn't undisputed GOAT (it isn't close).
@@richardbogart4653 Results wise he is. There's more to being the GOAT than results. Transcending the game. Just like Jordan.
@@il100374 Jordan actually has a strong argument for being the GOAT beyond popularizing basketball (stats/achievements) lmao. I've never heard this "hype = GOAT" argument in sports or games outside of some insane Lebron-haters claiming he killed basketball and, well, Mango cultists. For example in football Pelé was FIFA's poster boy for years and popularized the sport but absolutely nobody takes that into consideration when evaluating him as a GOAT candidate.
@@richardbogart4653 That's not what I was insinuating.
I'm really sad hax$ isn't playing in online tournaments since he was looking really good at genisis. That being said it's better than him entering and complaing about online, so if he knows he can't get in the headspace to play online I think it's the right decision
Ooh Zain has a madvillainy vinyl, good shit Zain!
reddit moment
Thank god that this podcast is in spotify
So this will come out everytime HBox retires LMAO
Jesus
Its gonna start coming out every other day
I heard Spotify and actually shouted, thank you so much you’ve saved my data XD
First Zain grows a beard, now he's laughing like mango 42:17
zain has the exact same laugh as mang0 now
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Zain sitting in his chair like he already knows that he'll be the goat
Come on Leffen grow a beard.
Korean too no chance
@James Smith ???
just let the man be a femboy
@@davidw_origami Asians can still grow beards lol. It just won't look good on them.
@@ididntknow273 They're not usually as full though. Have you seen an Asian with a beard as full as Zains? They're all rocking Fu manchus and long patchy chin hair lol
44:50 You can literally see Zain thinking “ my Marth is so much better than m2k’s I would destroy armada”
Don't place words into his mouth from the sidelines.
How did you make it to 44:50 and completely ignore 44:07?
You even used the same phrasing that Mango pointed out that the idiots would use.
@@VergilSFD it was a joke. Take it easy lol
LET'S GO FALL GUYS TEAM ZAIN
Armada vs Zain FT10 Exhibition. Give Armada a week to practice himself up again since he doesn't think the meta has changed.
Armada would never do that.
I wish. Also it would be sick to see Armada vs Mew2King FT10, they may be more evenly matched.
I've never been a fan of podcasts but you guys just make it so enjoyabe. Love it
I think Tafo would be a dope guest. He was already really active in the chat and for the most part usually has really solid insight.
this is the only thing keeping me up with the scene. thank you and I appreciate the podcast, keep doing it for the culture guys
podcasts are hella fun to listen to. if you could let mango and zain talk more it would be perfect. its getting better each episode though.
When Armada retired, Mango was already my GOAT. Mangos highlight reel is as flashy as MJs
Slime or Lovage special guest
We all know the real goat is axe. Don't tag me
Uh? Let's look at Hbox here:
>years of being #2
>most hated player
>finally becomes #1
>forces the sniper to retire
>reigns supreme till c*v*d happens
>reigns supreme till Ultimate takes off
>reigns supreme till he becomes, at times, the #1 Smash streamer
But only a Mang0 fan will claim Mang0 was the GOAT, even then, and that is why the rest of the community doesn't take Mang0 fans seriously.
It's only because of Hbox telling Mang0 he's GOAT that I even consider Mang0 above Hbox. What does Mang0 really have? He was the best before any real competition entered the fray? Pfffff. He's the best now than every other god isn't playing seriously or at all? Pfffffffffffffffff.
We'll see if he keeps playing well in 2022. 2020 didn't count and 2021 could be a fluke.
@@RipleySawzen I've never seen this copypasta ty
Great content! Really impressed!
Love playing these in the background while working. Hope this is a regular thing and not just when something is in the news
Mango laugh is my fav
Time Stamps would be nice, great content tho always love these
If you're not on mobile, there are timestamps built in
Description?
the yellow bars in the timeline are timestamps :))))))))
@@chromso oh yeah i know i just didnt see them when i first watched
@@timegbert8661 they're also in the extended description
Love how mang0 keeps mentioning the full time streamer / competitor balance and how hbox might just not be cut out for that. I seem to remember mang0 going an entire year without a significant melee victory as he johned away over caring more about his stream. I’m sure hbox also just needs some time to adjust to gaining a similar balance. Mhm mhm
Love that we talk about friendlies like backroom politics conversations, Zain wants to keep it clandestine
Take a shot every time anyone says ‘like’, you’d be dead.
Damn it dude why did I read this comment!? Now I can't focus on anything else bro!!! :'D
Loving the podcast, its really good to listen to during a long drive.
Armada has to the be GOAT, the way he left the scene was crazy, doing it with both peach and fox, then just starts speed running SM64... idk that seems kinda GOATish, him defending himself is just how prideful he is of his work ethic in my opinion, especially that he isnt American
Armada doesnt have to defend himself against randoms honestly. If he stays out of the game for a couple more years it might be up in the air.
@@octaviogonzalez8794 for sure his accomplishments with peach then fox is crazy
This podcast alone was enough to make me a sub. Loved the topics you guys talked about
Zane in the goat debate thinking “won’t matter it’s gonna be me one day”
Can’t wait for the after party!
Need to see Plup on this
Armada is living rent free in Mangos head lol.
LMAO
making fun of armada is so easy and free content lmao, why wouldnt he
Crouch canceling is a really good point. Meta has progressed. But maybe to Armada, that isn't big enough for it to matter to him.
ive never been this early
Same
i was about to comment the same thing.
Oh damn I wasn’t expecting another podcast so soon! Hype
27:17 "As an ultimate player last year who 6-0'd hbox" LMFAO!!!
I love these podcasts PLEASE keep it up, all 3 of you!
I never thought I'd see the day where I'd get hyped for hbox camping ibdw, but when hbox started playing like himself breifly in the money match I was genuninely excited. Hbox let me down :/
Man the landscape of new melee is so fucking dope
please put timestamps in the description so the topics are sorted on the time bar
thanks 4 puttin it on spotify!!
Leffen has matured...
Armada has immatured.
Armada has always had a huge ego about his legacy lol. His ego is so big to the point where he had to argue with random teenagers on twitter to prove his goat status which is probably the least goat thing to do imo.
This podcast is amazing- keep them coming!
This is the only podcast I ever watch
Zains beard looks better than Hbox’s hair
Literally everything on earth looks better than Hbox's hair
@@SpOoOokyGhost Why do people like you hate Hbox as if he is some kind of a criminal? Chillax with the hate already.
@@supernaturaltychoon3164 the guy just said he didn't like his hair, i think he's entitled to think that
I remember in the previous podcast mango predicted that hbox would get bodied.
I was like “no way there’s 0%” I couldn’t believe it.
Mango when leffen mentioned food poisoning and hbox in the same sentence
Such a great podcast, love you guys!
I love this, I do alot of CDL driving and I gets lonely. But being updated on things is nice ✨
Ive never been so grateful for insomnia
Love the podcast. Need more !
y’all have to get plup on here!
Podcast keeps getting better boys!
one of the best podcasts in the game
20:04
"He could play with any european fox and still have 1/10th of the lag he would have when plays minecraft steve"
LMAO!!! FUCKING LEFFEN!
Amazing content! Please keep it up!
Oh my the ads
These episodes have been great
i love these thank you!!!
Mang0 warning Zain about S2J is great foreshadowing for his win in LACS 3.
The moment I read that, thought the same.
this podcast is so fucking sick please keep doing it
Leffen is a basketball
god zain truly looks like the best daddy with the beard
1:13:48 skip ads
0:01
27:15 this is why i love leffen
man zain be schmoovin
I think Armada sees the meta as tech amd punish game and dosen't attribute much weight to matchup pratice an just playing people everyday in general because his training regimen was mostly playing alone and praticing tech and punish and relying on his talent to overcome his opponents and matchups.
And honestly I feel like most people kinda see meta like that, this idea of "the meta is strictly to know what is optimal for my character to do", disregarding the effect of raw experience across the entire top 100.
Besides CCing being way more prevalent, really the meta hasn't changed much in that sense and even that is something I can easely see armada adapting to very quickly, but what armada would've struggled with in the current meta is just the amount of players that can do everything well and have the experience and confidence to pull it off even versus a top player.
He would have to be dealing with many more better players if he was playing today. Thats the 2020 meta.
Love me some 6-4 podcast
watching johnny's matches that week was surreal. he was on one
Saw someone talk about you milking ads big leff, fuck that guy, make your money. It hasn't been easy for you in europe. I always support your content. Much love.
Ad block turned off for the boys
Are you a masochist?
Hype! Love the podcasts
No need for results and legacy sheets
Mang0 is the GOAT because he is the one person that actually shapes Melee better
The goat can't be the guy who quits twice
THAT'S IT
No more useless "blablabla"
This set up is kinda nice
Ppmd as guest
I'd love to see S2J on for the after party
A friend of mine said "E sports doesn't have locker room talk." I showed him this and explained who the people are. He just says "They're spilling more tea then we did at Boston harbor." (We're Americans)
Leffen be like I want alllll the ads
Yeeesss! Keep this regular 😬😩
Sheeeeet mang0 thinking we forgot about him dancing and going suavemente all over axe at smash summit?
it was an iron man
Give us another fucking podcast already lol
Love the podcast, logo a little scuffed tho
Damn Leffen was listening to Ohms great stuff.
Mango will play through division blindfolded
Sick episode
I don't think it's bad to say youre the best, who cares. especially the way mang0 talks about armada