I was 11 y/o in 1975. I was extremely scared and had nightmares about my non-JW extended family dying. Then 1975 came and went. No too long after the generation of 1914 hogwash was being pushed. In the mid-80's it became obvious that there were very few people 85 and older. That was the last straw for me. We all know the old saying...."Fool me once once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me". After I left som much more ugliness about that cult became apparent. I read "Crisis of conscience" and knew without any doubt I made the right choice. And 35 years later I have not regrets.
Just bought that book. My bio sis ( we were not close) she died in j w. I tried to reason w her but to no avail. She was in at 19 thru 73. Got her Dec husband in it, too. He died at 60.
What woke me up was this... I was an active baptized publisher, so was 2 of my 6 kids. We were poor and had no car. Sisters didn't want to be partnered with any of my girls in field service. They didn't want to invite us to functions or even give us rides to the kingdom hall. They didn't want my kids playing with theirs. I was never disfellowshipped or shunned. I just stop being a witness because I couldn't get to the Kingdom Hall. After that my life spiraled downhill until Jesus called me.
connie rosario it’s also sad to think, as well as my kids not getting invited to Jw kids houses, they also had no friends to hang out with outside of the organisation
Field Service was sad. I would be gung-ho, going to all the houses they wouldn't because of dogs or foreign language speakers. But they would go to 2 doors then run off to "bible study" at their friends house while their kids tore the person's house up. I would say that about 10 out of 100 didn't just think it was some kind of social club.
connie rosario when my mom was pregnant with my youngest sister (and at that point she would’ve been child number six) one of the elders wives said to her “you know where it said in the Bible to be fruitful and populate the earth don’t take it so literally.” What an ass.
If Geoffrey Jackson can't stand up for his beliefs in court, how can they expect JW children to stand up to their peers at school for not celebrating birthdays?
I agree and parents need to be told not to let their children go through the humiliation of being different. Children need to live their childhood to grow up healthy...
Every high control group, even child "protection," doesn't allow kids & parents to spend time together on these family bonding days. Child "protection" is identical to Witchtower. Birthdays build self-esteem & they want you to need them, to keep you subservient.
@@kimwhite8627 It was an issue for me too, and I would cry and put my head on my desk because I didn't understand and I couldn't explain it to my teacher.
Top five things that woke me up: 1. Crisis of Conscience book by Raymond Franz 2. The Australian Royal Commission 3. Beth Sarim construction in the 1920s 4. Mexico-Malawi Scandal 5. Failed prediction of 1975.
One thing that woke me up was when my worldly boyfriend told me I could have a personal relationship with God even if I was disfellowshipped. It made me realize I don't have to go through a group of old men to get to God. I only need Jesus. That was a huge relief. Because Witnesses believe that if you're disfellowshipped, you will lose your life at Armageddon and if you die disfellowshipped you will not be resurrected. Talk about presumptuousness. They think they are judge, jury, and executioner.
what woke me up is my sister calling me one day asked me to read a scripture that wasn't there in their Bible and then she showed me another scripture that says you do not add or take away, that's what woke me up
@@levonnemullen1461sorry I’m seeing your comment 4 years later, but I think I can answer. I think they are talking about John 8:1-11. They are gone. It starts at verse 12.
My last straw was the scare tactic used during this last memorial. The short video shown during the talk and it was said, "You must be a baptized JW to survive armageddon. Let me repeat myself, you must be a baptized JW to survive armageddon." I couldn't believe it! Just a few years ago they were talking about out how Jesus is going to do the separating during the GT. Numbers must be real bad to sink to this kind of level.
Always go by what the bible says, and you need a real bible to do that. The New World Translation has been altered in places and is NOT an authentic bible version.
@@Jewelliet True. 3 places, just as a for instance, missing verses from NWT translation of the gospel of Matthew...17:21, 18:11, 23:14. And,above all this, remember what it says in Rev. 19:2. Worst of all, John 1:1... and the word was a god (small g)? What??? Admittedly, they try to get over this by saying that their bible is translated from the Greek, which has no indefinite article... (a or an), so they took the liberty of inserting their own. BUT, it's NOT right; just look at all other Bibles.
I left after almost 25 years around 2002/3 because I just knew that something was wrong. I knew nothing about what was going on, but I had done something that they were always telling us to do. That is. Make the truth your own! Loved the Bible and loved its truth. But started to see the flaws in what they were saying but not doing. I struggled to leave, but in the end I believe it was God who was telling me to 'get out'. When I left, it wasn't easy, but I didn't give up on God. My sister taught me how to use internet and basically that's when I started to probe deeply into th org. Couldn't believe it!! Shocking and terrible realisation of what I had been inculcated with for all those years! Although shocking, and terribly upsetting to find out these awful atrocities, it was also a relief for me, knowing that I had done the right thing in leaving. It gave me my freedom in Christ and the true Christian walk which demonstrates compassion, true joy and an overwhelming love for others. A genuine love that only God's Spirit can give us. Sorry for all those still in there. Many not even knowing the real truth behind their truth. Hopefully, it's videos like this one and ex brothers and sisters speaking out which will at least wet their appetite for investigating this ungodly org. Literally, make the truth your own, and search the Scriptures, to see if all they say is true. Acts 17:11 We must follow God as ruler, rather than man Acts 5:29 After all, isn't that what they were always telling us to do? If we continue to follow the org, then we aren't following God.
It may seem small, but the Beard Doctrine woke me up. It was just 2 years ago. Being a married full grown man and being forced to shave, was the final straw that moved me to do my own research. When I found out the entire premise of the doctrine was based on Ruthorford's opinions about beards, I was immediately shaken awake. It was a small thing. But after being born under the impression that EVERYTHING we believed was directly from God, it was jarring to realize it was all man made. Like the ending of Wizard of Oz.
I am so grateful stumbled upon your channel! I truly believe I have now found God, but the almost four years of being involved with witnesses started to unravel in my ♥ I saw very unkind things being done, but we were told to not say anything!! What? I show love at all times❤ Thank you for speaking out❤❤😂!
Kelly Green Greetings, THANK YOU FOR YOUR...GREAT COMMENT...Very truthful...GOD...does not care about..BEARDS...HE...gave men the beards....JESUS....had a beard....I appreciate your comment...Sincerely, P.A.E.T-P
Its all about the ability to control the memvers. This is a business, not a religion. The more they control you the more submissive they become. The GB, aka 'faithful and discreet slave' are the real "publishers" and the so called 'publishers', aka rank and file members, are the real "slaves"...slaves to this cult.
Seriously. We still have to watch out for those who have gotten so bitter that they become devil's advocate. Use preception and discernment on some of this stuff.
I don't think there's any biblical proof that Jesus did or didn't have a beard, but bc of all the paintings, pictures, and statues of Him shown as bearded throughout the ages, it makes us subconsciously think He had one. And although there's no scriptures of whether or not Jesus had a beard, I'm sure He probably did in His era. It's doubtful He shaved with His Gillette razor everyday. Nobody got time for dhat ;D
@EXJW Analyzer @Diasiss @jimmy bell I'm going to go back watch the first 6 of your ten as I came in later. What I've seen so far has been excellent! I appreciate your calm & respectful delivery in this discussion. The following 3 started the process for me: 1. The first few episodes of the first season of Leah Remini - Scientology and the Aftermath is what woke me up. I was surprised at the similarities. 2. Trying to understand the overlapping generation gave me a headache. 3. Looking up info about the destruction of Jerusalem in the World Book Encyclopedia. From then, on. I had no problem watching RUclips channels, too many to list. The ones that caught my attention were the interviews as well as the calm explanations of different doctrines and policies. Thanks so much for your efforts! Keep up the great work!
Just realizing that growing up jw gave me a miserable depressing childhood 😕 I'm finding out who God really is now and his love for me has no limits. I'm so glad I'm figuring it out.
there is no logic with the ORG.My ex JW husband spread his seed as much as he could, and my dad felt sorry for HIM? and the elders thought he was a good husband, and i told them to be married to him for 18 yrs ,if they thought he was still that good. i mean he would shag anything willing.they tried the blame thing on me, did not work.eventually i left and got on with my life. shunning and all.
Oh geeze! The failed dates! Those lies were the first to make me consider leaving. Then, came the lie after! Stay Alive Until 75! What a joke! Millions Now Living Will Never Die! Yeah, the failed dates were the first thing to anger me. There are so many more! Sorry, I have to say it! CULT!!!
Jimbo Baggans. The first thing that got to me, in my teens, was the hypocrisy. So glad I got away from WT by age 19. If you have someone DF, he gets shunned. But then, if by some weird chance you get that same DF person appearing next to another person a JW is witnessing to, all of a sudden the JW wants to speak to the DF person. The JW knew that the person being witnessed to would be totally turned off if the JW had not spoken to the DF person. They knew it. JWs know it's tacky to shun. I mean, you don't have to "break bread together", but at least be polite and say hello. Then, JWs do nothing whatsoever for the homeless, hungry, abused, downtrodden. God knows they do nothing for child abuse victims. So tacky.
More funny stuff - but maybe its not so funny lol! To think I put all my educational ambitions on bloody halt in the 60's. I am so blessed to have left in the late 60's thanks to my sanity. and the bonus is I am still in touch with Jehovah lol! No problem. I no longer needed the WT & Tract fuddy duddies to tell me how to live my life.
I had a friend warn me I was involved in a cult. I always, kindly told her she was mistaken. I had to call her, after I woke up, and thank her for trying to warn me. She was right. I love her very much for being bold enough to come to me in love, and I'm glad I woke up.
i left after my friend got DF. She was 19, no income and shunned by family and friends with a baby! Man she had it rough! having grown up in the organization as her I felt her pain as she had no 'wordly' friends. I imagined that happening to me and decided no way Jehovah could be that 'loving!'
Great discussion. I always had questions growing up, but like most JW kids I went with the flow. I was serving as a MS and literature servant when a rare medical condition made it medically necessary to grow a beard. The COBE told me I could still stock the shelves and do the work, but I couldn’t be seen behind the counter or go out in service with a beard so as not to “stumble” those in the cong. I needed to wait for the CO visit for his approval. Then during a mandatory shepherding call one of the elders suggested I go against the recommendation from my doctor for the “sake of the congregation”. He said the congregation would be encouraged by my putting the interest of the congregation first and if I did, I might be able to give my experience at an assembly. Yes, I was bribed with the prospect of being on a assembly part in exchange for jeopardizing my health. Keep in mind this is the same congregation that I grew up in, was baptized in, & “appointed” in (make that make sense). As if somehow the beard changed my heart condition or my ability to pass out literature with bearded (& ethnically incorrect) Jesus and friends on every other page. GTFOHWTBS
In the last century the Holy Spirit has supposedly refined the organization to protect the flock from the dangers of lapel pins in the shape of a cross, birthday cakes, Christmas trees and Easter eggs, but not pedophilia?
@@jimbobaggans1564 No becareful, the Holy spirit has nothing to do with this organization. The demon spirits that lead them are the ones who did not think of it. Don't try to mock God, God will not be mocked.
Your channel just keeps getting better and better! As regards the 1006 cases in Australia that was over a 50 year time span.if they left it in gods hands , chances are those kids might have died off and never got justice!and the pedifiles never got punished!
We need to hammer the final nail in their coffin. I have a serious question. I am not a legal expert but the idea came to me about a class action lawsuit for those of us who were baptized young. I was baptized at 12. Legally I was a child and I had no idea the contract of baptism would destroy my family life. A class action lawsuit with thousands of people could do some serious damage to this antihuman, home wrecking, harlot of a corporation.
I'm really interested in this idea! I think about this a lot because my parents hold me accountable for my commitment to the JW when I was baptized at 13 as well and I don't think that you have any real autonomy to be making those kinds of decisions at that point. I always thought about suing them for emotional harm done
@@Heidi5353 Agreed! Told my parents that too. Was baptized at 13 as well. Their response, we didn't force you to ..mine was well, you didn't stop me either. I was a kid!! *Crickets
I was waiting for this kind of video! My family is still in the organisation and it's always nice to remind myself why I left... Maybe someday I will have an opportunity to tell them about this 10 things. Thank you so much and greetings from Poland!
So glad you enjoyed the video, we really enjoy doing it, and we are planning to do another one!! Yes and hopefully one day you'll be able to share this with your family
My waking up was somewhat similar to yours, Jon. I began reading the Bible in Hebrew and Greek on Biblehub, as well as commentaries. It led to me realizing that Watch Tower overwrites scripture with elaborate and confusing explanations: word salad. Eventually I ended up looking up newspaper clippings on C.T.Russell, which revealed court transcripts of his separation/ divorce suit. Everything WT has written about him was a lie. He was a wicked and abusive man. He really set the tone for psychological, emotional, and spiritual abuse that is the true trademark of this corporation.
I think Rutherford also had divorce issues. Barbara Anderson is an excellent source for organization history as she worked at Bethel on the Awake Magazine and the Kingdom Proclaimers books. She found old unpublished photos in desks from storage that told a much different story than the official version of their history. This is one reason she had to leave.
"Crisis of Conscience" woke me up fast! :-) In that book, I learned that the gb was not inspired. I began seeing the borg as man-made. Not god-backed, like I was taught my entire life! :/
I felt incredibly stupid trying to defend these beliefs. Plus I knew I was never gonna pioneer, marry a witness man or be able to withstand the monotony of this sad lifestyle. Sometimes I still have anxiety issues about disasters suddenly striking but I am mostly ok now.
Thanks so much for doing this video!!! You guys were awesome! I left the org appx 20 years ago for my own personal reasons, just sort of faded away, but in the back of my mind, I have always struggled with extreme amounts of guilt over this decision. Even though I now know it's not the truth (just came to grips with that within the last year or so), I realize that I still have so much healing to do being that I was raised in it and baptized at such a young age (9 years old). Videos like this help make the healing process so much easier. Thanks again!.
About remarrying...... I divorced my husband after he confessed that he had been practicing homosexuality for years. The CO had a quiet talk with me and suggested I obtain a letter from the committee so that I could prove the situation and thereby avoid any problems if I wished to remarry in the future. The irony is - he remarried a sister in a kingdom hall a few years later (many churches of Christendom would forbid this) and when I did eventually remarry 19 years later I was long gone!! I was deeply hurt and traumatized by what he had done.... the deception and cheating for 22 years.... and yet the brothers actually suggested to him that he could remarry in the kingdom hall (he was no longer in a disfellowshipped or reproved state they told him!!)..... but where does that fit with the scripture "All things are lawful but not all things are advantageous". Maybe he was now free to remarry in a KH but was this advantageous to the hurt and grieving wronged partner? It was absolute torture for me to think about the congregation meeting there to celebrate that wedding and the reception afterwards. I don't think the elders gave my feelings a second's thought. These men are completely unfit and incompetent to handle these matters and completely destroy the lives of innocent victims.
I might also add that after the elders told me about my husband's admission of homosexuality, I was ordered not to speak to anyone in the congregation about this matter otherwise I might leave myself open to slander!!! So now my life has completely disintegrated and I am not able to talk about it to anyone! This is when I woke up to the fact that the elders robotickly deal with the rules set down, smug in the fact that the WT Society will give them a pat on the back ..... genuine love is not to be found in their dealings.
Another thing with my sister in law was she begged me to sign a card that I would take full responsibility for NOT letting anyone give her a blood transfusion!! I finally signed the card but I don’t know whether or not I would have kept my promise if it had come down to it!! I never understood why she couldn’t donate and save her OWN blood when she was sick???
This might sound weird, but what woke me up was something almost entirely unrelated to anything related to the witnesses,,, it was watching Going Clear - the documentary about Scientology, & feeling an ever-increasisng unease at just how eerily similar Scientology and Watchtower were to one another. A short time later, a local sister put out her shingle offering services in "Neuro-Linguistic Programming" (NLP) claiming that it was used "All over the Bethel branches in lieu of psychiatric treatment/counselling, which smacked entirely too much to me like Auditing ,,i think the worst part of that was asking one of my relatives who has worked at the WT farm and Patterson for 40+ years wether or not this was the case & the reply I got back was such an evasive Non-answer that it just ,,opened the floodgates and allowed me to start searching online ....
@@marafayde1285 thanks for putting it more succinctly than me, I have a tendency to be more than a bit ... "left-handed" in my descriptions ,, it comes with the territory of being a Sinister South-paw :P
I always found it disgusting how imperfect MAN makes the Decision IF you get reinstated. I mean they decide If your repentant. There not in position to make that Determination
new life Moving on I agree but I find it disgusting that they will hang out at the hospital to make sure you choose death rather than a blood transfusion.
@@coachwork , Leave Satan out of it. Folks know what's right and what's wrong. Men in authority get to full of themselves. You have control of your actions.
@@jdstep97 Why are you protecting satan? You are standing up for him but you can't even support your own Christian brother or sister? Satan is the one who influences evil and he is the one who shows up when deception is involved. There's no doubt in my mind he influenced man to create the entire Jehovah's Witness cult.
Wow! That video was like therapy to me. So many good points and based on Bible and whats most important- common sense and real brotherly love. You guys are real brothers, not like hardcore Watchtower fanatics.
+LftXit 4Reel..Sometimes..you have to do the wrong thing first! To appreciate the Right thing! I spent many years in the Mormon church..doing the wrong thing! But I SURE Appreciate Jesus NOW I Have Found Him!
Not to say that my heart doesn't break for all of those victims in the ARC trials in Australia but the thing that really got under my skin the most with those videos especially Geoffrey Jackson's testimony was the evasion and not owning up to their claims that they are completely divinely governed & directed by the Holy Spirit and Jehovah himself by means of Jesus to then say when asked direct questions "that's not my departmen"t or " I don't want to be presumptuous". that was the nail in the coffin for me as I've heard so many others say and I so appreciate the activist and support groups that are available as I am only 2 months into my awakening although my eyes are wide open I'm still currently PIMO but I'm ready to start to take decisive action thanks to all of you
Hi Guys, great roundtable! I had the horrible experience of growing up JW as my mother was and is a devout JW, however, my Father was not in the CULT! You really hit home when you discussed your childhood about being embarrassed and missing out on the many different occasions. I still stood up to salute the flag and had a good idea that the religion was bogus by about the age of 7 or 8 years of age. I figured there was too many good people in the world to all be destroyed, it just didn't make sense. By the age of 14, I was able to decide and tell my Mother, no more meetings for me. I did play sports and eventually went to college and am an RN; and yes I have given blood transfusions that save lives. The blood issue is not correct and in ancient days and even now, the drinking of blood is done in satanic rituals and was most likely why it was forbidden. JWs take it too far as they do not even accept auto transfusions, where you store your own blood in anticipation for future blood loss. It is all a control thing in my opinion and I believe Jesus would not want someone healed in the name of religion and an ancient law although the Bible does state that Life is in the Blood. This is why you go for blood work to detect diseases, the Bible knew this thousands of years ago. Currently I am a devout Born Again Christian with Evangelical beliefs but first I read the Bible with the Holy Spirit teaching me. That is when I came to the conclusion that Modern Day Israel is the Center of Prophecy and the Generation that will not see death is related to when Israel became a nation again in May of 1948. There is no such thing as the Spiritual Israel which the JWs teach as Jehovah made an everlasting covenant with Israel and God cannot lie or break covenant. Israel is God's Prophetic Timeclock and the Middle East is key to Armageddon which literally means the Hill of Megiddo where many battles have taken place! It's not what the Watchtower teaches, they are so off, it's awful to see their literature and lies! Please look into it and watch Christian TV, Jesus is the BEST thing that ever happened to me! Jesus is ALL LOVE and NO shunning, doesn't care about your long hair and come as you are and He will change you once you invite Him in. Shalom my Brothers in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior! God Bless you for your telling of the truth.
At 28:35, with all the false predictions (crying wolf), God would forgive anyone for not believing them. Wow. Powerful line of reasoning that helped me a lot.
@Dr. Richmann it's black and white in the Insight book under mediator. They don't even know WHAT they believe in!!! But neither did I for 34 years so I understand completely
Thank you, guys. I've dealt with a ton a guilt in my life. I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness and this has been helpful. My family won't speak to me but here I am
She would get married to just about any man as long as they were jw. No matter if they were abusive and alcoholic. Had a horrible childhood because of that.
+Just Kidding I just went to the online library, typed inUnited Nations, and went to the first article. I wanted to see what they wrote during this period of affiliation. The article talks about 50 years UN in business.
Y'all should have known that the Watchtower speaks out of both sides of their mouth when they condemned occultism and spiritualism yet used ex-Catholic spiritualist Johannes Gerber's scholarship to make the New World translation of the Bible. They have never had consistent principles.
“We are not afraid”. Lol! Me neither. My brother left JW 12 years after me. He remembered me saying “It is impossible for people, with freedom of choice, to live forever on earth and not sin.”
That is a wise saying. Freedom is never absolute unless all have the same mind. If for example someone chooses to eat the last kumquat, it takes freedom away from someone else who wanted the last kumquat. It would be supposed, however, that those chosen to live would have the love of Christ, and never do anything to harm or offend another. Or will we be in heaven as angels and need do nothing all day but sing praises to God? There are so many conflicting doctrines about the last days, I prefer my mind to simply focus on being as obedient, loving, trusting, and gospel sharing as I can be and let the future work however the Lord wills it, while still keeping my integrity. Everybody might be wrong about something that is to come. But to just believe whatever happens will be for God's glory and not my own is enough.
Even though I was df'd(POMI), I still believed. After 25yrs being out, I started watching RUclips on jws. What got me was the WTBTS writing the RNWT added & deleted words in Scripture.😱Woke me right up.
Can you give me the reference to what youre talking about, ive been dfed twice currently still dfed, but trying to educate myself so i can maybe save my family. I appreciate it if you could provide the reference/source, thank you!
@@brandonramirez924 I am so happy to know you want to know the thruth about the jw organization. I started out by watching RUclipsrs that showed me the org's lies using the watchtower's own publications. Here are a few: Watchtower Examination, John Cedars, Mike Winger, Beroean Pickets. It's also good to search on RUclips Jehovah's witnesses NWT, history of, baptism questions etc.... Please don't try to share with jw family until you can find thought provoking questions that will have them think about a point, because if you share the information they will doubt you, & think it is apostate lies. So gather your information with your literature in hand 👍You don't want them to totally cut you off. Then you may never reach them.
@@ej1722 thank you very much i appreciate it! And yes it will take some time for my family if that day ever comes, much love and appreciation for your help!
@@brandonramirez924 I have been checking scripture with the kingdom interlinear, that's the Greek to English scripture translation. John 1:1-3,. John 18:5-6 are two off the top of my head, but one is subtle change the other isn't. Love in Jesus name.
The more I get to thinking about all the doctrines I had learned and didn’t question, the more I think just how plain dumb they are.... I was spiritually drunk 🥴... hallelujah for my sanity and waking up to some strong coffee ☕️
With all of the failed prophesies of the Watchtower Organization, the “faithful” write everything off as “New Light”. I think the WTB&TS counts on the members being unwilling to admit they bought into their lies and have wasted years/decades of their lives.
Their "truth" today will be changed tomorrow. The "truth" I was telling people 30 years ago is now a lie. JW's can't logically extrapolate that what they are saying today will almost certainly be wrong tomorrow.
Glad u guys woke up PLEASE help anyone and everyone you can I knew this was a cult 20 years ago I almost joined the organization with my wife so glad I read kingdom of the cults and did my research
lol regarding tattoos,, I've had a 3/4 sleeve traditional Japanese piece,,,,& a goatee ,, for the last ,, eh 15 years now ,, funny thing is despite my repeatedly asking the body if my wife and i were still in good standing they would emphatically claim that it "has never come up" in the elder's meetings,, though in hindsight it does explain the soft shunning lol ,, eh, who cares? the further I get that in my rear-view mirror, the happier and more alive I feel I wasted 4 decades of my life on them,, I don't want to waste the rest of it .
How does a smart guy like you who likes A Clockwork Orange, varied culture like tattoos, Japanese even, fall for that mind control cult, the Watchtower ? Anyway, glad you are out.
@@thenowchurch6419 quite simply put,, I had no choice but to ,, I was born into it, 3rd generation , and it was made quite clear early on in my life that my continued residence in my parent's home was towing the line and being baptized as a JW, all of these little things about me I did in spite of being raised that way, ,,but yes, i am glad to be out too. thank you
Guys I'm glad you have all woken up! I've never been a JW but have friends and neighbors who are! I cannot believe how much of a scam the whole JW thing is! Yet the brainwashed human mind can be almost impossible to repair even after you see the light! Geez I hope more JWs watch your channel!
Watching Geoffrey Jackson squirm and slither along with the elders - they couldn’t even read the testimony of the abuse survivors. The amount of peodophiles shielded by them. If there was a god behind this group and he is supposed to know us as we are formed then the judicial committees would not exist as it is the most damaging group designed that hurts. Especially the treatment of abuse victims and children. The baptism of children. Being a NGO. So much is wrong with this arrogant organisation. Thanks guys.
My family were little rebel JWs. We didn't celebrate birthdays and holidays so me and the kids celebrated unbirthdays and unholidays 6 mo. to the day later lol
connie rosario that explains why no one from your congregation wanted to associate with you. lol I saw your previous comment. Anyway, have you heard of the Denmark assembly hall? What’s your opinion on that ?
connie rosario if you go to google earth and google assembly hall of Denmark you can see that the Aireal view of the hall is the all seeing eye. It’s crazy. Check it out.
Thank you for sharing this informative video. We are sure it will help many in the future who are on their way out to mental freedom. Cora and I could relate to all the points you raised. Looking forward to watching more.
I was exactly like Diasis, I wasn't ambitious in the org and didn't care and saw no need to be helping other people out with the little time I have to myself. Not that I'm self fish just that I respected my personal time and always got looked down apon and never cared. I moved out of home and never went back to the hall. I'm glad I got baptized because that helps me see it from both sides and come out with my own sense of truth about religion in general.
I so remember making a point of looking at the yearbook for the number of anointed that were partaking as a sign of 'the end' because they were dwindling. I left by 1992 so I never got to see how they started to increase and subsequently how witchtower had to back pedal and infer there are mentally/emotionally unstable people who were now partaking lol!
We were mentally out for a longtime but what really clinched it was the release of the new bible and the changes in scripture. I pioneered and defended the New World Translation and now they changed it? Why? I wasn’t buying the lame reasoning they provided.
I have conditional love for people, not un-conditional. The condition is that I be treated with respect or you have to walk away. Respect me and be responsible for your actions around me and others, those are my conditions.
@@kristinburton4953 I am the same way. Read the book "boundaries" yes the author uses bible scriptures but if you don't like that just read the message and all the points and everything else being said and ignore the scriptures quotes.... I really think you will love this book. It was ehat opened my eyes to how so many people (in general,not JW but ANYone ,including the JWs who claim to be overwhelem and say they "had to" do too much ) The problem with AnYone JW or NOT , is taking responsibility for their actions and not following the principals as in this book then they wouldn't be in the situations they were in, in the first place.
The Insight Book volume 2 on pg 362 states that Jesus' mediatorship operates SOLELY for those in the New Covenant ie.144,000. For the rest of us, it states on page 363, he is our High Priest, but not our mediator. Wow Another Wow moment is on page 61 Insight Book, volume 2 where it states that only those who bow to the name JESUS will gain life eternal. Pg 62 states that those approved for life by Jesus must show unbreakable loyalty to the name JESUS CHRIST. They never told us that at the Kingdom Hall or conventions. I never saw them bow to the name Jesus.
I've been trying for two years now to reach my wife who is a JW's and she refuse to look at or listen to anything I present her. I've have seen from her and other witnesss, that they will lie to your face just to maintain there truth. It's been such a struggle for me, that I'm almost at the point I wanna divorce her. Cause I can no longer talk with her about the most important thing in my life.
That is so sad that as a married couple you cannot have a conversation about something because of the doctrines put forth by Watchtower and the rules!! It would suck if a divorce happened because of that, I hope you guys can work it out!!
My husband is not a JW. We have been married almost 10 years. At first he tried to shove things down my throat. We had horrible ugly fights. A minister from coC told him to leave me alone. Stop because it is not loving or spiritually right. We both loved Jehovah, Jesus and the word. We never argued about scripture. He even stopped trying to get me to stop using JW bible. We had Christian counseling. 2017 when I attended the memorial it didn't feel right. I truly didn't want to go back but I was confused. Fast forward to October 2018. 8 years later, that I watched my first ex JW fifth video. Then I binged exJW videos Leah Remini documentary on Jehovah's Witnesses hit nail on coffin. Just a couple of weeks ago due to ExJW interview with Kevin McFree I gave up JW grey bible. On my own. Not by him bothering me. If he had kept up I would have dug my heals in and decided he was persecution JWs talked about. It would have made me run back to JW. Instead I was able to pray to Jehovah and be guided.
I bet he was shaking in his boots when he faced his Maker for making those crazy disrespectful rules on beards Or perhaps he never attained to that privilege. After all, beards were sign of wisdom and were considered very correct.
ARC is huge because a a JW might allow themselves to watch or listen to this. (I played it over and over again, Griffey Jackson testimony and other bits for my wife. I couldn’t do that with let’s say a John cedars video. Impossible.) Anything like Megan Phelps interview on joe rogan or the Sam Harris one I like better. Any person who is NOT a JW but who is shunned like Megan Phelps from west bureau baptist church. Anything that doesn’t specifically mention JW but runs parallel to it. Like documentaries on Scientology where individual stories are told of shunning. Because a JW can’t listen to stories about JW. But they can hear these other stories. With my wife it was playing secular things that weren’t super “apostate” at all. And then things like Megan Phelps telling her story and asking herself “is this really the truth”. My wife hearing that said from another woman helped. Then the ARC helped a lot. Eventually one day she decided to search JW in the internet herself. There is another video from thermin trees on “truth” about Scientology that just runs so parallel to JW but never mentions them. Played that several times. Helps that we work together. Also played tons and tons of Steven pinker (better angels of our nature) which highlights how most everything is getting better in the world. So this doesn’t mention JW for a second, but really really runs counter to what JW believe.
The scripture that forbids tattoos directly follows the one that says not to trim your beard. One they follow, the other doesn't apply anymore. I research for entertainment now.
They make investments, yes. It's one of the things I found when I started looking into things. The thing is that they make some investments they don't approve of and shouldn't be supporting whatsoever.
Well, here's a group of three upstanding, intelligent kind-hearted men. What a blow to their Association to lose you guys. And judging by the comment section, looks like they continue to lose big-hearted, well intended good people all the time. Good for all of you for getting out of there. Sorry for the all the lonely all the loved ones you had to lose to escape. Welcome back.
Misleading use of quotations ... The creation book quoted several people who's books I had read, Richard Dawkins in particular was quoted so selectively that it was misleading beyond the level of simple incompetence. Suddenly I started feeling very awkward about things... could I in good conscience place this book with members of the public? Later I married and had children ... They asked simple questions, as children do ... I came to the realisation that some teachings were built upon sand with illogical reasoning. How could I "reach out" to be a ministerial servant or elder where I would be expected to present illogical things to the congregation? Then came the internet, and "New light on blood" ... a beautifully honest presentation and written by people who were educated and had integrity. Simple illustrations witnesses used ("would an alcoholic be OK to inject alcohol into themselves in stead of drinking it? ,,, Likewise with blood") simply fell apart when you realise a transfusion is not food, but a tissue transplant. From so many angles the blood teaching was wrong. The level of awkwardness increased tenfold ... now it was incompetence or dishonesty that could end up killing people. From that point on I went inactive. How could I promote something so dangerous?
Most of the elders I grew up listening to have left. My dad was an elder and they laugh at it now. My parents are much happier not having hard pressure on them.
I absolutely 100% love these guy's, coming from someone who was raised in this organization and woke up in my teen year's now labeled an apostate by my family, i wish that every last one of them can watch these videos, but i know they won't, it's so very sad because i have good people in my family but they are so extremely blinded. It's just sad that they won't allow themselves to listen to reasoning. I gotta tell you guy's i love and so appreciate what you are doing, much much love
Enjoyed this video. The organization's assertion that Jesus is only the Mediator of the 144,000 is the "straw that broke the broke the camel's back" for me. I didn't believe that for a second. I was already out when I read that in the WT. I was in from 1949, stared fading about 1974 - 75 and got disfellowshipped in 1981. I got caught-up in the Purge that resulted after Ray Franz challenged the Governing Body's doctrine about there being two classes: the "little flock, the annointed" and the "other sheep," and that Jesus is only the Mediator of the 144,000. I was watching this video just before I went to sleep but had to stay up and watch it. You guys were on point about all the crazy things the GD is teaching and expects us to believe.
For me the first red flags were in the meetings..... ..probably...maybe...could be....possibly....only allowed to answer what was in publication....being told not to add scriptures if they were not in book etc....
I saw that myself....and...The black brothers were deliberately...IGNORED....many times by the...watchtower conductor....If they gave a comment that had more in depth...information...they were told...I DO NOT WANT ALL THAT INFORMATION..only from the...WATCHTOWER MAGAZINE....EXCELLENT COMMENT... You gave Thank You....
Patricia Pierson thank you...I was ignored when I refused to sign the personal data form. Didn't like the veiled threats in it if you didn't sign it...was told to sign it and remove it later...hypocrisy....quite funny as I was the only one in the congregation who didn't sign it...they were in shock...😆
I was 11 y/o in 1975. I was extremely scared and had nightmares about my non-JW extended family dying. Then 1975 came and went. No too long after the generation of 1914 hogwash was being pushed. In the mid-80's it became obvious that there were very few people 85 and older. That was the last straw for me. We all know the old saying...."Fool me once once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me". After I left som much more ugliness about that cult became apparent. I read "Crisis of conscience" and knew without any doubt I made the right choice. And 35 years later I have not regrets.
That's good to hear.
See you on the other side❤
Just bought that book. My bio sis ( we were not close) she died in j w. I tried to reason w her but to no avail. She was in at 19 thru 73. Got her Dec husband in it, too. He died at 60.
What woke me up was this... I was an active baptized publisher, so was 2 of my 6 kids. We were poor and had no car. Sisters didn't want to be partnered with any of my girls in field service. They didn't want to invite us to functions or even give us rides to the kingdom hall. They didn't want my kids playing with theirs. I was never disfellowshipped or shunned. I just stop being a witness because I couldn't get to the Kingdom Hall. After that my life spiraled downhill until Jesus called me.
connie rosario I found most sisters wouldn’t want to have my kids over to play with their kids, and would treat us like we were second class!
connie rosario it’s also sad to think, as well as my kids not getting invited to Jw kids houses, they also had no friends to hang out with outside of the organisation
your answering to Jesus Here i am Lord brought overwhelming emotions. i'll be praying for you. see you around His throne if not sooner
Field Service was sad. I would be gung-ho, going to all the houses they wouldn't because of dogs or foreign language speakers. But they would go to 2 doors then run off to "bible study" at their friends house while their kids tore the person's house up. I would say that about 10 out of 100 didn't just think it was some kind of social club.
connie rosario when my mom was pregnant with my youngest sister (and at that point she would’ve been child number six) one of the elders wives said to her “you know where it said in the Bible to be fruitful and populate the earth don’t take it so literally.” What an ass.
If Geoffrey Jackson can't stand up for his beliefs in court, how can they expect JW children to stand up to their peers at school for not celebrating birthdays?
I agree and parents need to be told not to let their children go through the humiliation of being different. Children need to live their childhood to grow up healthy...
Every high control group, even child "protection," doesn't allow kids & parents to spend time together on these family bonding days. Child "protection" is identical to Witchtower. Birthdays build self-esteem & they want you to need them, to keep you subservient.
Amen to that. It's crass hypocrisy and cowardice, frankly.
Saluting the flag as a child was a issue, did not understand
@@kimwhite8627 It was an issue for me too, and I would cry and put my head on my desk because I didn't understand and I couldn't explain it to my teacher.
Top five things that woke me up:
1. Crisis of Conscience book by Raymond Franz
2. The Australian Royal Commission
3. Beth Sarim construction in the 1920s
4. Mexico-Malawi Scandal
5. Failed prediction of 1975.
One thing that woke me up was when my worldly boyfriend told me I could have a personal relationship with God even if I was disfellowshipped. It made me realize I don't have to go through a group of old men to get to God. I only need Jesus. That was a huge relief. Because Witnesses believe that if you're disfellowshipped, you will lose your life at Armageddon and if you die disfellowshipped you will not be resurrected. Talk about presumptuousness. They think they are judge, jury, and executioner.
Eyes Wide Open ABSOLUTELY YOU ARE....RIGHT....We do not need those...”GOVERNING WARLORDS”....JESUS IS ALL WE NEED
Jesus did not disfellowshipped the woman who commited adultry.Their teacing is contrary to the bible. John 8:3-11.
Thr judge jury and executionaer is god. But that is all make believe.
Eyes Wide Open wow awesome. Jesus only name that saves.
And ole TPT is trying to bring Hellfire back too...you know the roasted hot dogs, splitting open all black and charred. Such a meathead ole TPT.
what woke me up is my sister calling me one day asked me to read a scripture that wasn't there in their Bible and then she showed me another scripture that says you do not add or take away, that's what woke me up
And watchtower does a whole lot of adding and taking away
What scripture was it?
@@levonnemullen1461sorry I’m seeing your comment 4 years later, but I think I can answer. I think they are talking about John 8:1-11. They are gone. It starts at verse 12.
My last straw was the scare tactic used during this last memorial. The short video shown during the talk and it was said, "You must be a baptized JW to survive armageddon. Let me repeat myself, you must be a baptized JW to survive armageddon." I couldn't believe it! Just a few years ago they were talking about out how Jesus is going to do the separating during the GT. Numbers must be real bad to sink to this kind of level.
Always go by what the bible says, and you need a real bible to do that. The New World Translation has been altered in places and is NOT an authentic bible version.
@@Jewelliet
True. 3 places, just as a for instance, missing verses from NWT translation of the gospel of Matthew...17:21, 18:11, 23:14. And,above all this, remember what it says in Rev. 19:2. Worst of all, John 1:1... and the word was a god (small g)? What??? Admittedly, they try to get over this by saying that their bible is translated from the Greek, which has no indefinite article... (a or an), so they took the liberty of inserting their own. BUT, it's NOT right; just look at all other Bibles.
@@beejaybath John 18:5-6, they added a "he" to the end of "I am"
Sound In Mind do you have that video my 11 year old granddaughter wants to get babtized
Sound In Mind can you show me were that video is
I left after almost 25 years around 2002/3 because I just knew that something was wrong. I knew nothing about what was going on, but I had done something that they were always telling us to do. That is. Make the truth your own! Loved the Bible and loved its truth. But started to see the flaws in what they were saying but not doing. I struggled to leave, but in the end I believe it was God who was telling me to 'get out'. When I left, it wasn't easy, but I didn't give up on God. My sister taught me how to use internet and basically that's when I started to probe deeply into th org. Couldn't believe it!! Shocking and terrible realisation of what I had been inculcated with for all those years! Although shocking, and terribly upsetting to find out these awful atrocities, it was also a relief for me, knowing that I had done the right thing in leaving. It gave me my freedom in Christ and the true Christian walk which demonstrates compassion, true joy and an overwhelming love for others. A genuine love that only God's Spirit can give us. Sorry for all those still in there. Many not even knowing the real truth behind their truth. Hopefully, it's videos like this one and ex brothers and sisters speaking out which will at least wet their appetite for investigating this ungodly org. Literally, make the truth your own, and search the Scriptures, to see if all they say is true. Acts 17:11 We must follow God as ruler, rather than man Acts 5:29 After all, isn't that what they were always telling us to do? If we continue to follow the org, then we aren't following God.
Amen, amen love in Jesus name
It may seem small, but the Beard Doctrine woke me up. It was just 2 years ago. Being a married full grown man and being forced to shave, was the final straw that moved me to do my own research. When I found out the entire premise of the doctrine was based on Ruthorford's opinions about beards, I was immediately shaken awake. It was a small thing. But after being born under the impression that EVERYTHING we believed was directly from God, it was jarring to realize it was all man made. Like the ending of Wizard of Oz.
Beautifully written ❤❤
I am so grateful stumbled upon your channel! I truly believe I have now found God, but the almost four years of being involved with witnesses started to unravel in my ♥ I saw very unkind things being done, but we were told to not say anything!! What? I show love at all times❤ Thank you for speaking out❤❤😂!
Wasn't Jesus Christ bearded? What in the world does facial hair have to do with your spiritual walk with God?
Kelly Green Greetings, THANK YOU FOR YOUR...GREAT COMMENT...Very truthful...GOD...does not care about..BEARDS...HE...gave men the beards....JESUS....had a beard....I appreciate your comment...Sincerely, P.A.E.T-P
Its all about the ability to control the memvers. This is a business, not a religion. The more they control you the more submissive they become. The GB, aka 'faithful and discreet slave' are the real "publishers" and the so called 'publishers', aka rank and file members, are the real "slaves"...slaves to this cult.
funny lol just when I need a laugh haha!
Seriously. We still have to watch out for those who have gotten so bitter that they become devil's advocate. Use preception and discernment on some of this stuff.
I don't think there's any biblical proof that Jesus did or didn't have a beard, but bc of all the paintings, pictures, and statues of Him shown as bearded throughout the ages, it makes us subconsciously think He had one. And although there's no scriptures of whether or not Jesus had a beard, I'm sure He probably did in His era. It's doubtful He shaved with His Gillette razor everyday. Nobody got time for dhat ;D
Grear video. I enjoyed the discussion. You all are fortunate to still be young men when you woke up.
@EXJW Analyzer @Diasiss @jimmy bell I'm going to go back watch the first 6 of your ten as I came in later. What I've seen so far has been excellent! I appreciate your calm & respectful delivery in this discussion. The following 3 started the process for me: 1. The first few episodes of the first season of Leah Remini - Scientology and the Aftermath is what woke me up. I was surprised at the similarities. 2. Trying to understand the overlapping generation gave me a headache. 3. Looking up info about the destruction of Jerusalem in the World Book Encyclopedia. From then, on. I had no problem watching RUclips channels, too many to list. The ones that caught my attention were the interviews as well as the calm explanations of different doctrines and policies. Thanks so much for your efforts! Keep up the great work!
Just realizing that growing up jw gave me a miserable depressing childhood 😕 I'm finding out who God really is now and his love for me has no limits. I'm so glad I'm figuring it out.
there is no logic with the ORG.My ex JW husband spread his seed as much as he could, and my dad felt sorry for HIM? and the elders thought he was a good husband, and i told them to be married to him for 18 yrs ,if they thought he was still that good. i mean he would shag anything willing.they tried the blame thing on me, did not work.eventually i left and got on with my life. shunning and all.
Sounds like a typical elder.
Diasiis, when this corrupt organization complained about your beard, you should have just told them to “Wait upon Jehovah”! 😂
Oh geeze! The failed dates! Those lies were the first to make me consider leaving. Then, came the lie after! Stay Alive Until 75! What a joke! Millions Now Living Will Never Die! Yeah, the failed dates were the first thing to anger me. There are so many more! Sorry, I have to say it! CULT!!!
Jimbo Baggans. The first thing that got to me, in my teens, was the hypocrisy. So glad I got away from WT by age 19. If you have someone DF, he gets shunned. But then, if by some weird chance you get that same DF person appearing next to another person a JW is witnessing to, all of a sudden the JW wants to speak to the DF person. The JW knew that the person being witnessed to would be totally turned off if the JW had not spoken to the DF person. They knew it. JWs know it's tacky to shun. I mean, you don't have to "break bread together", but at least be polite and say hello. Then, JWs do nothing whatsoever for the homeless, hungry, abused, downtrodden. God knows they do nothing for child abuse victims. So tacky.
More funny stuff - but maybe its not so funny lol! To think I put all my educational ambitions on bloody halt in the 60's. I am so blessed to have left in the late 60's thanks to my sanity. and the bonus is I am still in touch with Jehovah lol! No problem. I no longer needed the WT & Tract fuddy duddies to tell me how to live my life.
I had a friend warn me I was involved in a cult. I always, kindly told her she was mistaken. I had to call her, after I woke up, and thank her for trying to warn me. She was right. I love her very much for being bold enough to come to me in love, and I'm glad I woke up.
careful now, don't mistype that word lol! Sorry, I am in a wicked mood tonite. lol!
i left after my friend got DF. She was 19, no income and shunned by family and friends with a baby! Man she had it rough! having grown up in the organization as her I felt her pain as she had no 'wordly' friends. I imagined that happening to me and decided no way Jehovah could be that 'loving!'
Please post more content like this. I recently left the Org, and you clearly know what you are talking about.
Yey
Go to hwfacts,com and TTATT
Great discussion. I always had questions growing up, but like most JW kids I went with the flow. I was serving as a MS and literature servant when a rare medical condition made it medically necessary to grow a beard. The COBE told me I could still stock the shelves and do the work, but I couldn’t be seen behind the counter or go out in service with a beard so as not to “stumble” those in the cong. I needed to wait for the CO visit for his approval. Then during a mandatory shepherding call one of the elders suggested I go against the recommendation from my doctor for the “sake of the congregation”. He said the congregation would be encouraged by my putting the interest of the congregation first and if I did, I might be able to give my experience at an assembly. Yes, I was bribed with the prospect of being on a assembly part in exchange for jeopardizing my health. Keep in mind this is the same congregation that I grew up in, was baptized in, & “appointed” in (make that make sense). As if somehow the beard changed my heart condition or my ability to pass out literature with bearded (& ethnically incorrect) Jesus and friends on every other page. GTFOHWTBS
In the last century the Holy Spirit has supposedly refined the organization to protect the flock from the dangers of lapel pins in the shape of a cross, birthday cakes, Christmas trees and Easter eggs, but not pedophilia?
The Holy Spirit just didn't think of it.
Great point!
Hi Sundance88! Your observations are always so on point!
@@jimbobaggans1564 No becareful, the Holy spirit has nothing to do with this organization. The demon spirits that lead them are the ones who did not think of it. Don't try to mock God, God will not be mocked.
Your channel just keeps getting better and better! As regards the 1006 cases in Australia that was over a 50 year time span.if they left it in gods hands , chances are those kids might have died off and never got justice!and the pedifiles never got punished!
Excellent point thank you for sharing
We need to hammer the final nail in their coffin. I have a serious question. I am not a legal expert but the idea came to me about a class action lawsuit for those of us who were baptized young. I was baptized at 12. Legally I was a child and I had no idea the contract of baptism would destroy my family life. A class action lawsuit with thousands of people could do some serious damage to this antihuman, home wrecking, harlot of a corporation.
I'm really interested in this idea! I think about this a lot because my parents hold me accountable for my commitment to the JW when I was baptized at 13 as well and I don't think that you have any real autonomy to be making those kinds of decisions at that point. I always thought about suing them for emotional harm done
Same this is bull. My mom doesn’t want to be held accountable for choices she made drunk last night… but my choice at 12 is life long
@@Heidi5353 Agreed! Told my parents that too. Was baptized at 13 as well. Their response, we didn't force you to ..mine was well, you didn't stop me either. I was a kid!! *Crickets
What woke me up was when Watchtower wanted me to cough up my ice-cream money.
LOLOLOL
They can invest in these companies but the rank and file can't even be employed by the Gov how hypocritical!
I was waiting for this kind of video! My family is still in the organisation and it's always nice to remind myself why I left... Maybe someday I will have an opportunity to tell them about this 10 things. Thank you so much and greetings from Poland!
So glad you enjoyed the video, we really enjoy doing it, and we are planning to do another one!! Yes and hopefully one day you'll be able to share this with your family
My waking up was somewhat similar to yours, Jon. I began reading the Bible in Hebrew and Greek on Biblehub, as well as commentaries. It led to me realizing that Watch Tower overwrites scripture with elaborate and confusing explanations: word salad.
Eventually I ended up looking up newspaper clippings on C.T.Russell, which revealed court transcripts of his separation/ divorce suit. Everything WT has written about him was a lie. He was a wicked and abusive man. He really set the tone for psychological, emotional, and spiritual abuse that is the true trademark of this corporation.
I think Rutherford also had divorce issues. Barbara Anderson is an excellent source for organization history as she worked at Bethel on the Awake Magazine and the Kingdom Proclaimers books. She found old unpublished photos in desks from storage that told a much different story than the official version of their history. This is one reason she had to leave.
Yes. She had tons of news clippings on Russell that showed who he really was. Excellent source of information.👍🏻
"Crisis of Conscience" woke me up fast! :-) In that book, I learned that the gb was not inspired. I began seeing the borg as man-made. Not god-backed, like I was taught my entire life! :/
What is the "GB"? Does it stand for Governing Body??
Oh, nevermind! I just heard the part of this video where they are talking about the governing body.
@@JB--- Yes, GB stands for governing body.
@@Esther-1914 Thank you! :D
Praises to the Lord.
bugger! missed most of the programme ,gonna have to rewind. LOVE it!
Blind obedience even if it doesn’t sound right and never ending generation. I saw the arrogance and self appointed righteousness.
I felt incredibly stupid trying to defend these beliefs. Plus I knew I was never gonna pioneer, marry a witness man or be able to withstand the monotony of this sad lifestyle. Sometimes I still have anxiety issues about disasters suddenly striking but I am mostly ok now.
Awesome conversation! Felt like I was there! Great info!
Love this conversation! looking forward to more....
This is so Cool so Glad Three of the Greats got together for such an Awesome video !
What I was told about tattoos was that you were causing harm to your body. But earrings was okay.
Thanks so much for doing this video!!! You guys were awesome! I left the org appx 20 years ago for my own personal reasons, just sort of faded away, but in the back of my mind, I have always struggled with extreme amounts of guilt over this decision. Even though I now know it's not the truth (just came to grips with that within the last year or so), I realize that I still have so much healing to do being that I was raised in it and baptized at such a young age (9 years old). Videos like this help make the healing process so much easier. Thanks again!.
Thank you for this vídeo, it feel better when you know you are not alone in this, and not crazy too.
Rui Rodrigues you are not crazy
About remarrying...... I divorced my husband after he confessed that he had been practicing homosexuality for years. The CO had a quiet talk with me and suggested I obtain a letter from the committee so that I could prove the situation and thereby avoid any problems if I wished to remarry in the future. The irony is - he remarried a sister in a kingdom hall a few years later (many churches of Christendom would forbid this) and when I did eventually remarry 19 years later I was long gone!!
I was deeply hurt and traumatized by what he had done.... the deception and cheating for 22 years.... and yet the brothers actually suggested to him that he could remarry in the kingdom hall (he was no longer in a disfellowshipped or reproved state they told him!!)..... but where does that fit with the scripture "All things are lawful but not all things are advantageous". Maybe he was now free to remarry in a KH but was this advantageous to the hurt and grieving wronged partner? It was absolute torture for me to think about the congregation meeting there to celebrate that wedding and the reception afterwards. I don't think the elders gave my feelings a second's thought. These men are completely unfit and incompetent to handle these matters and completely destroy the lives of innocent victims.
I might also add that after the elders told me about my husband's admission of homosexuality, I was ordered not to speak to anyone in the congregation about this matter otherwise I might leave myself open to slander!!! So now my life has completely disintegrated and I am not able to talk about it to anyone! This is when I woke up to the fact that the elders robotickly deal with the rules set down, smug in the fact that the WT Society will give them a pat on the back ..... genuine love is not to be found in their dealings.
Another thing with my sister in law was she begged me to sign a card that I would take full responsibility for NOT letting anyone give her a blood transfusion!! I finally signed the card but I don’t know whether or not I would have kept my promise if it had come down to it!! I never understood why she couldn’t donate and save her OWN blood when she was sick???
This might sound weird, but what woke me up was something almost entirely unrelated to anything related to the witnesses,,, it was watching Going Clear - the documentary about Scientology, & feeling an ever-increasisng unease at just how eerily similar Scientology and Watchtower were to one another. A short time later, a local sister put out her shingle offering services in "Neuro-Linguistic Programming" (NLP) claiming that it was used "All over the Bethel branches in lieu of psychiatric treatment/counselling, which smacked entirely too much to me like Auditing ,,i think the worst part of that was asking one of my relatives who has worked at the WT farm and Patterson for 40+ years wether or not this was the case & the reply I got back was such an evasive Non-answer that it just ,,opened the floodgates and allowed me to start searching online ....
Same here! When I watched a documentary on Jim Jones I gave myself permission to scrutinize The Watchtower.
What's Auditing?
@@dantoinettetaylor1663 Auditing is what Scientologists call their "counselling" sessions en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditing_(Scientology)
Auditing is an interrogation process in Scientology that supposedly “clears” you of suppressive influences.
@@marafayde1285 thanks for putting it more succinctly than me, I have a tendency to be more than a bit ... "left-handed" in my descriptions ,, it comes with the territory of being a Sinister South-paw :P
I always found it disgusting how imperfect MAN makes the Decision IF you get reinstated. I mean they decide If your repentant. There not in position to make that Determination
new life Moving on I agree but I find it disgusting that they will hang out at the hospital to make sure you choose death rather than a blood transfusion.
@@maggiemae4584 Satan comes to steal, kill & destroy & deceive
@@coachwork , Leave Satan out of it. Folks know what's right and what's wrong. Men in authority get to full of themselves. You have control of your actions.
Exactly, sounds like Catholicism to me.
@@jdstep97 Why are you protecting satan? You are standing up for him but you can't even support your own Christian brother or sister? Satan is the one who influences evil and he is the one who shows up when deception is involved. There's no doubt in my mind he influenced man to create the entire Jehovah's Witness cult.
This is like the new generation of
The Vast Apostate Hour
Awesome show, great guests and very well done
Wow! That video was like therapy to me. So many good points and based on Bible and whats most important- common sense and real brotherly love. You guys are real brothers, not like hardcore Watchtower fanatics.
Well done gentlemen! What woke me up was jw's belief that the god of the bible has no foreknowledge.
There were many things for me that just seemed so wrong, but, the entanglement with the UN, Wow, that blew me away & was my undoing!
Governing Board lies, lies and damned lies.
What type of calendar do the Governing Body use
This was awesome. I felt like I was sitting at the table with you. Please do more of these. They are great! 👏👍👌
+LftXit 4Reel..Sometimes..you have to do the wrong thing first! To appreciate the Right thing! I spent many years in the Mormon church..doing the wrong thing! But I SURE Appreciate Jesus NOW I Have Found Him!
I would like to hear your testimony.
Not to say that my heart doesn't break for all of those victims in the ARC trials in Australia but the thing that really got under my skin the most with those videos especially Geoffrey Jackson's testimony was the evasion and not owning up to their claims that they are completely divinely governed & directed by the Holy Spirit and Jehovah himself by means of Jesus to then say when asked direct questions "that's not my departmen"t or " I don't want to be presumptuous". that was the nail in the coffin for me as I've heard so many others say and I so appreciate the activist and support groups that are available as I am only 2 months into my awakening although my eyes are wide open I'm still currently PIMO but I'm ready to start to take decisive action thanks to all of you
Hi Guys, great roundtable! I had the horrible experience of growing up JW as my mother was and is a devout JW, however, my Father was not in the CULT! You really hit home when you discussed your childhood about being embarrassed and missing out on the many different occasions. I still stood up to salute the flag and had a good idea that the religion was bogus by about the age of 7 or 8 years of age. I figured there was too many good people in the world to all be destroyed, it just didn't make sense. By the age of 14, I was able to decide and tell my Mother, no more meetings for me. I did play sports and eventually went to college and am an RN; and yes I have given blood transfusions that save lives. The blood issue is not correct and in ancient days and even now, the drinking of blood is done in satanic rituals and was most likely why it was forbidden. JWs take it too far as they do not even accept auto transfusions, where you store your own blood in anticipation for future blood loss. It is all a control thing in my opinion and I believe Jesus would not want someone healed in the name of religion and an ancient law although the Bible does state that Life is in the Blood. This is why you go for blood work to detect diseases, the Bible knew this thousands of years ago. Currently I am a devout Born Again Christian with Evangelical beliefs but first I read the Bible with the Holy Spirit teaching me. That is when I came to the conclusion that Modern Day Israel is the Center of Prophecy and the Generation that will not see death is related to when Israel became a nation again in May of 1948. There is no such thing as the Spiritual Israel which the JWs teach as Jehovah made an everlasting covenant with Israel and God cannot lie or break covenant. Israel is God's Prophetic Timeclock and the Middle East is key to Armageddon which literally means the Hill of Megiddo where many battles have taken place! It's not what the Watchtower teaches, they are so off, it's awful to see their literature and lies! Please look into it and watch Christian TV, Jesus is the BEST thing that ever happened to me! Jesus is ALL LOVE and NO shunning, doesn't care about your long hair and come as you are and He will change you once you invite Him in. Shalom my Brothers in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior! God Bless you for your telling of the truth.
At 28:35, with all the false predictions (crying wolf), God would forgive anyone for not believing them. Wow. Powerful line of reasoning that helped me a lot.
The mediator subject.... Blew my mind!!
@Dr. Richmann it's black and white in the Insight book under mediator. They don't even know WHAT they believe in!!! But neither did I for 34 years so I understand completely
I like the idea of making copies and handing them out to the cart Witnesses
CSA with Jehovah's witnesses is More than an epidemic its now classified as a Plague!
EXCELLENT COMMENT...ABSOLUTELY THE...REAL TRUTH....
I feel stupid, but what is CSA?
@@cinderella4499 Child Sexual Abuse
Enjoyed listening to you guys, it was the ARC for me. 💛
Loved the collaborative!!!!
Thank you, guys. I've dealt with a ton a guilt in my life. I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness and this has been helpful. My family won't speak to me but here I am
Great points - that’s all the same reasons I left in feb - also Jesus never used the name Jehovah
Yes!! I noticed that too! Good for us!
The chaperone thing just forces a lot of young couples to marry early. Like 60 % of the jw I know got divorce afterwards.
Yes. My mom has been married 7 times now because she thinks it's the only way 😞
She would get married to just about any man as long as they were jw. No matter if they were abusive and alcoholic. Had a horrible childhood because of that.
Wow! Just looked up W 95 10/1 p3-5 to see what they said about UN. They list their accomplishments. Good going Watchtower, praise the beast.
Jimothy Lopez can you show me how you looked it up ? I want to show my dad but you know he’s an old hard headed JW. He needs good proof.
+Just Kidding I just went to the online library, typed inUnited Nations, and went to the first article. I wanted to see what they wrote during this period of affiliation. The article talks about 50 years UN in business.
Just Kidding go to wol.jw.org and type “United Nations” in the search bar. Or find the Watchtower from the side menu.
Y'all should have known that the Watchtower speaks out of both sides of their mouth when they condemned occultism and spiritualism yet used ex-Catholic spiritualist Johannes Gerber's scholarship to make the New World translation of the Bible.
They have never had consistent principles.
There was also an Awake article in 1991 (g91 9/8 pp. 3-4) that “appreciate the changes happening at the United Nations.”
“We are not afraid”. Lol! Me neither. My brother left JW 12 years after me. He remembered me saying “It is impossible for people, with freedom of choice, to live forever on earth and not sin.”
That is a wise saying. Freedom is never absolute unless all have the same mind. If for example someone chooses to eat the last kumquat, it takes freedom away from someone else who wanted the last kumquat. It would be supposed, however, that those chosen to live would have the love of Christ, and never do anything to harm or offend another.
Or will we be in heaven as angels and need do nothing all day but sing praises to God? There are so many conflicting doctrines about the last days, I prefer my mind to simply focus on being as obedient, loving, trusting, and gospel sharing as I can be and let the future work however the Lord wills it, while still keeping my integrity. Everybody might be wrong about something that is to come. But to just believe whatever happens will be for God's glory and not my own is enough.
I enjoyed that conversation. Thank you,, all.
We are so glad that you enjoyed the video thank you for watching
Even though I was df'd(POMI), I still believed. After 25yrs being out, I started watching RUclips on jws. What got me was the WTBTS writing the RNWT added & deleted words in Scripture.😱Woke me right up.
Can you give me the reference to what youre talking about, ive been dfed twice currently still dfed, but trying to educate myself so i can maybe save my family. I appreciate it if you could provide the reference/source, thank you!
@@brandonramirez924 I am so happy to know you want to know the thruth about the jw organization. I started out by watching RUclipsrs that showed me the org's lies using the watchtower's own publications. Here are a few: Watchtower Examination, John Cedars, Mike Winger, Beroean Pickets. It's also good to search on RUclips Jehovah's witnesses NWT, history of, baptism questions etc....
Please don't try to share with jw family until you can find thought provoking questions that will have them think about a point, because if you share the information they will doubt you, & think it is apostate lies. So gather your information with your literature in hand 👍You don't want them to totally cut you off. Then you may never reach them.
@@ej1722 thank you very much i appreciate it! And yes it will take some time for my family if that day ever comes, much love and appreciation for your help!
@@brandonramirez924 I have been checking scripture with the kingdom interlinear, that's the Greek to English scripture translation. John 1:1-3,. John 18:5-6 are two off the top of my head, but one is subtle change the other isn't. Love in Jesus name.
It's almost like a bunch of uneducated window washers are in charge of Bible interpretation and JW doctrine.
"It's almost like" No it's established fact with no doubt at all.
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Thank you! Guys! Great round table!
The more I get to thinking about all the doctrines I had learned and didn’t question, the more I think just how plain dumb they are.... I was spiritually drunk 🥴... hallelujah for my sanity and waking up to some strong coffee ☕️
Yeah after you let yourself do some research and open your eyes to what they're actually saying, it doesn't make sense
With all of the failed prophesies of the Watchtower Organization, the “faithful” write everything off as “New Light”. I think the WTB&TS counts on the members being unwilling to admit they bought into their lies and have wasted years/decades of their lives.
Their "truth" today will be changed tomorrow. The "truth" I was telling people 30 years ago is now a lie. JW's can't logically extrapolate that what they are saying today will almost certainly be wrong tomorrow.
Bottom line IMO, is this is just a wealthy corporation disguised as a “religion”. With the advent of the internet, this has become clear as crystal.
Glad u guys woke up PLEASE help anyone and everyone you can I knew this was a cult 20 years ago I almost joined the organization with my wife so glad I read kingdom of the cults and did my research
The closing statement from all of you was touching. Having differences shouldn’t rip us apart but help us grow as human beings!
this was fantastic john, jimmy and diasiss
great video, appreciate the common sense
lol regarding tattoos,, I've had a 3/4 sleeve traditional Japanese piece,,,,& a goatee ,, for the last ,, eh 15 years now ,, funny thing is despite my repeatedly asking the body if my wife and i were still in good standing they would emphatically claim that it "has never come up" in the elder's meetings,, though in hindsight it does explain the soft shunning lol ,, eh, who cares? the further I get that in my rear-view mirror, the happier and more alive I feel
I wasted 4 decades of my life on them,, I don't want to waste the rest of it .
How does a smart guy like you who likes A Clockwork Orange, varied culture like tattoos, Japanese even, fall for that mind control cult, the Watchtower ?
Anyway, glad you are out.
@@thenowchurch6419 quite simply put,, I had no choice but to ,, I was born into it, 3rd generation , and it was made quite clear early on in my life that my continued residence in my parent's home was towing the line and being baptized as a JW, all of these little things about me I did in spite of being raised that way, ,,but yes, i am glad to be out too. thank you
Great idea! Great video!
Guys I'm glad you have all woken up!
I've never been a JW but have friends and neighbors who are! I cannot believe how much of a scam the whole JW thing is! Yet the brainwashed human mind can be almost impossible to repair even after you see the light!
Geez I hope more JWs watch your channel!
Watching Geoffrey Jackson squirm and slither along with the elders - they couldn’t even read the testimony of the abuse survivors. The amount of peodophiles shielded by them. If there was a god behind this group and he is supposed to know us as we are formed then the judicial committees would not exist as it is the most damaging group designed that hurts. Especially the treatment of abuse victims and children. The baptism of children. Being a NGO. So much is wrong with this arrogant organisation. Thanks guys.
I really loved this it was so nice to listen to you Brothers talk
Thank you so much for watching the video and I'm glad you enjoyed it we had a lot of fun
@@jimmybell9208 I would have loved to join in the convo there bro...... no head covering tho. 🤣😂🤣😂
@@jeannec7558 oh come on we could find you a nice looking funny hat to wear!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@jimmybell9208 only if you wear one too..... 🤣😂🤣✋
My family were little rebel JWs. We didn't celebrate birthdays and holidays so me and the kids celebrated unbirthdays and unholidays 6 mo. to the day later lol
connie rosario that explains why no one from your congregation wanted to associate with you. lol I saw your previous comment. Anyway, have you heard of the Denmark assembly hall? What’s your opinion on that ?
@@missmichelle2201 nope haven't heard of it. And they never knew of our little unholidays. Lol
connie rosario if you go to google earth and google assembly hall of Denmark you can see that the Aireal view of the hall is the all seeing eye. It’s crazy. Check it out.
@@missmichelle2201 that's because C.T. Russell was a pyramidologist.
We took my cousins for a “shopping day” a week or so after their bdays.
Thank you for sharing this informative video. We are sure it will help many in the future who are on their way out to mental freedom. Cora and I could relate to all the points you raised. Looking forward to watching more.
We are so glad that you enjoyed the video marc, we had so much fun doing it!!
I was exactly like Diasis, I wasn't ambitious in the org and didn't care and saw no need to be helping other people out with the little time I have to myself. Not that I'm self fish just that I respected my personal time and always got looked down apon and never cared. I moved out of home and never went back to the hall. I'm glad I got baptized because that helps me see it from both sides and come out with my own sense of truth about religion in general.
Excellent video!! Thank you guys
I so remember making a point of looking at the yearbook for the number of anointed that were partaking as a sign of 'the end' because they were dwindling. I left by 1992 so I never got to see how they started to increase and subsequently how witchtower had to back pedal and infer there are mentally/emotionally unstable people who were now partaking lol!
It's all the ex JW'S going into kingdom halls for the memorial, partaking, because that's what Jesus Christ told us to do!
We were mentally out for a longtime but what really clinched it was the release of the new bible and the changes in scripture. I pioneered and defended the New World Translation and now they changed it? Why? I wasn’t buying the lame reasoning they provided.
They claim to be people of love, love is unconditional.
I have conditional love for people, not un-conditional. The condition is that I be treated with respect or you have to walk away. Respect me and be responsible for your actions around me and others, those are my conditions.
God has rules, God will save you on the condition that you obey him. Conditional love.
@@kristinburton4953 I am the same way. Read the book "boundaries" yes the author uses bible scriptures but if you don't like that just read the message and all the points and everything else being said and ignore the scriptures quotes.... I really think you will love this book. It was ehat opened my eyes to how so many people (in general,not JW but ANYone ,including the JWs who claim to be overwhelem and say they "had to" do too much ) The problem with AnYone JW or NOT , is taking responsibility for their actions and not following the principals as in this book then they wouldn't be in the situations they were in, in the first place.
@@kristinburton4953 Yea I agree.
The Insight Book volume 2 on pg 362 states that Jesus' mediatorship operates SOLELY for those in the New Covenant ie.144,000. For the rest of us, it states on page 363, he is our High Priest, but not our mediator. Wow
Another Wow moment is on page 61 Insight Book, volume 2 where it states that only those who bow to the name JESUS will gain life eternal. Pg 62 states that those approved for life by Jesus must show unbreakable loyalty to the name JESUS CHRIST. They never told us that at the Kingdom Hall or conventions. I never saw them bow to the name Jesus.
Killer video gentlemen! Thank you!!!
Thanks so much Brenda, hope you are doing well!!
I've been trying for two years now to reach my wife who is a JW's and she refuse to look at or listen to anything I present her. I've have seen from her and other witnesss, that they will lie to your face just to maintain there truth. It's been such a struggle for me, that I'm almost at the point I wanna divorce her. Cause I can no longer talk with her about the most important thing in my life.
That is so sad that as a married couple you cannot have a conversation about something because of the doctrines put forth by Watchtower and the rules!! It would suck if a divorce happened because of that, I hope you guys can work it out!!
My husband is not a JW. We have been married almost 10 years. At first he tried to shove things down my throat. We had horrible ugly fights. A minister from coC told him to leave me alone. Stop because it is not loving or spiritually right.
We both loved Jehovah, Jesus and the word. We never argued about scripture. He even stopped trying to get me to stop using JW bible. We had Christian counseling.
2017 when I attended the memorial it didn't feel right. I truly didn't want to go back but I was confused. Fast forward to October 2018. 8 years later, that I watched my first ex JW fifth video. Then I binged exJW videos Leah Remini documentary on Jehovah's Witnesses hit nail on coffin. Just a couple of weeks ago due to ExJW interview with Kevin McFree I gave up JW grey bible. On my own. Not by him bothering me. If he had kept up I would have dug my heals in and decided he was persecution JWs talked about. It would have made me run back to JW. Instead I was able to pray to Jehovah and be guided.
Rutherford despised beards. Clean shaven politicians
The clean shaven look originates from the Greco-Roman gay lifestyle which ran rampant back in the day.
I bet he was shaking in his boots when he faced his Maker for making those crazy disrespectful rules on beards Or perhaps he never attained to that privilege. After all, beards were sign of wisdom and were considered very correct.
lol
ARC is huge because a a JW might allow themselves to watch or listen to this. (I played it over and over again, Griffey Jackson testimony and other bits for my wife. I couldn’t do that with let’s say a John cedars video. Impossible.)
Anything like Megan Phelps interview on joe rogan or the Sam Harris one I like better. Any person who is NOT a JW but who is shunned like Megan Phelps from west bureau baptist church. Anything that doesn’t specifically mention JW but runs parallel to it. Like documentaries on Scientology where individual stories are told of shunning. Because a JW can’t listen to stories about JW. But they can hear these other stories.
With my wife it was playing secular things that weren’t super “apostate” at all. And then things like Megan Phelps telling her story and asking herself “is this really the truth”. My wife hearing that said from another woman helped. Then the ARC helped a lot.
Eventually one day she decided to search JW in the internet herself.
There is another video from thermin trees on “truth” about Scientology that just runs so parallel to JW but never mentions them. Played that several times. Helps that we work together.
Also played tons and tons of Steven pinker (better angels of our nature) which highlights how most everything is getting better in the world. So this doesn’t mention JW for a second, but really really runs counter to what JW believe.
Is your wife awake yet?
Zero to 100 Tech
Yes.
@@d_e_a_n I'm happy to hear that!
They dont know that they teach that Christ is only for 144000 but the holy writings say different
The scripture that forbids tattoos directly follows the one that says not to trim your beard. One they follow, the other doesn't apply anymore. I research for entertainment now.
Oh they make investments?? I thought the whole thing was funded by donations
Jwfacts.com
They make investments, yes. It's one of the things I found when I started looking into things. The thing is that they make some investments they don't approve of and shouldn't be supporting whatsoever.
Well, here's a group of three upstanding, intelligent kind-hearted men. What a blow to their Association to lose you guys. And judging by the comment section, looks like they continue to lose big-hearted, well intended good people all the time. Good for all of you for getting out of there. Sorry for the all the lonely all the loved ones you had to lose to escape. Welcome back.
Always wondered about the beard prohibition! Considering the fact the Jesus, and probably all the apostles sported them!!😟
My maiden name is Cunningham! Don't see it often👍
Russia calling JWs a cult and banning them? Why didnt WT lawyers "wait on Jehovah"?
Misleading use of quotations ... The creation book quoted several people who's books I had read, Richard Dawkins in particular was quoted so selectively that it was misleading beyond the level of simple incompetence. Suddenly I started feeling very awkward about things... could I in good conscience place this book with members of the public?
Later I married and had children ... They asked simple questions, as children do ... I came to the realisation that some teachings were built upon sand with illogical reasoning. How could I "reach out" to be a ministerial servant or elder where I would be expected to present illogical things to the congregation?
Then came the internet, and "New light on blood" ... a beautifully honest presentation and written by people who were educated and had integrity. Simple illustrations witnesses used ("would an alcoholic be OK to inject alcohol into themselves in stead of drinking it? ,,, Likewise with blood") simply fell apart when you realise a transfusion is not food, but a tissue transplant. From so many angles the blood teaching was wrong. The level of awkwardness increased tenfold ... now it was incompetence or dishonesty that could end up killing people. From that point on I went inactive. How could I promote something so dangerous?
Most of the elders I grew up listening to have left. My dad was an elder and they laugh at it now. My parents are much happier not having hard pressure on them.
I absolutely 100% love these guy's, coming from someone who was raised in this organization and woke up in my teen year's now labeled an apostate by my family, i wish that every last one of them can watch these videos, but i know they won't, it's so very sad because i have good people in my family but they are so extremely blinded. It's just sad that they won't allow themselves to listen to reasoning. I gotta tell you guy's i love and so appreciate what you are doing, much much love
I think that watchtower wanted the UN to be on their side just in case they’d get into any legal problems with the government 👹👺
Rutherford tried that with Hitler, and look how that turned out.
They use cognitive dissonance or brainwashing. Cult
I set the reminder to the link you provided, I'm going out of town but hope to make it back in time for the chat....🌄
Enjoyed this video. The organization's assertion that Jesus is only the Mediator of the 144,000 is the "straw that broke the broke the camel's back" for me. I didn't believe that for a second. I was already out when I read that in the WT. I was in from 1949, stared fading about 1974 - 75 and got disfellowshipped in 1981. I got caught-up in the Purge that resulted after Ray Franz challenged the Governing Body's doctrine about there being two classes: the "little flock, the annointed" and the "other sheep," and that Jesus is only the Mediator of the 144,000. I was watching this video just before I went to sleep but had to stay up and watch it. You guys were on point about all the crazy things the GD is teaching and expects us to believe.
I loved your comment!!! I would love to speak with you sometime and pick your brain!!!
And thank you for your kind words about our video!!! We are so thrilled that you enjoyed it!!
@@jimmybell9208 I joined your FB page. I will send you my phone # on messenger. I would enjoy talking to you.
@@ybarraisa sounds good Elizabeth I'll be waiting for that number and hopefully I'll be able to call you this afternoon after I'm done with work
The...”REAL TRUTH”......is being said...HERE
Thank you for the wonderful comment!!
For me the first red flags were in the meetings..... ..probably...maybe...could be....possibly....only allowed to answer what was in publication....being told not to add scriptures if they were not in book etc....
I saw that myself....and...The black brothers were deliberately...IGNORED....many times by the...watchtower conductor....If they gave a comment that had more in depth...information...they were told...I DO NOT WANT ALL THAT INFORMATION..only from the...WATCHTOWER MAGAZINE....EXCELLENT COMMENT... You gave Thank You....
Patricia Pierson thank you...I was ignored when I refused to sign the personal data form. Didn't like the veiled threats in it if you didn't sign it...was told to sign it and remove it later...hypocrisy....quite funny as I was the only one in the congregation who didn't sign it...they were in shock...😆
@@maxinemortimer714 What is the purpose of the Personal Data Form?
Awake! July 2009 "Is It Wrong To Change My Religion?". Use their own words against them!!!