I'm using Ballistol Oil. Thats complete Non-Toxic. You can even use it for Skin Care or the Kitchen. Ballistol Neo smells like Peppermint and i use it for my Skin-Care. The Standard Ballistol does not smell good in my Opinion but its working well on my Bike and around the House working use. This Oil is perfect for me. I use only the 2 Oils. Ballistol and Ballistol Neo. Even my Beard feels like Cat-Fur with it.
Oz cycle have a home made liquid lube with food grade Wax+PTFE+Coleman Fuel (led free fuel for lanters and stoves). Your chain will be even cleaner and ptfe allow wax to stick better. But it's litte complicated and take time to order things and make it. Squirt is the best in terms of simplicity. I also heard that Flower power wax might be better than Squirt.
Not a fan of squirt, actually think it is useless, driveline runs noisey and gummy. Being using Finish Line wet lube for many years and has been fine. Yeah it requires alot of work keeping chain, cassette and rear wheel clean (OCD) but did the job getting up to 10k a chain. Thought fuck will give this wax stuff a crack, pretty cheap to setup and the initial cleaning of everything process is a pain in the arse but well the effort. Inital thoughts after refitting and spinning chain on the workstand wasnt positive, felt stiff and heavy. Just finished a 60k ride on dry country dusty roads and it is brilliant, only took a kilometre for links to loosen and it is so good. Previously had some gears that would be noisy even after a full service, now every gear is quite, smooth and it shifts like never felt before.
What you did, everyone should do: try 'em all and don't knock them until you have tried them. Personally, I am also happier with wax so far. Have to test the longevity claims yet though. What is already clear for me is the lack off mess and the ease of cleaning the bike. But I encourage everyone to try everything for themselves.
@@ThePhiliposophy agreed. Early days as just got it going but very pleased. The lack of mess is a win, no more wiping chain and cassette after each ride, no more cleaning any lube on rimbrake tracks.
Have a drawer full of different chain lubes. Been using Dumond Tech for the last three years with good results but the chain and cassette turn black even though I clean it regularly. Just started using Super Lube 51004 with PTFE. Will see how it performs. My next experiment will be Squirt Lube. If all else fails then I will try hot wax. Thank you an important video.
Thanks for the suggestion. Only used standard oil lubricants thus far. Just looked into the Effetto, seems like it might suit me. (Ironically this vid led me to the ZFC website/channel, which I'd heard off, but never visited before. Found it quite interesting (if a little too detailed for my interests)).
It's funny because even ZFC own results were really good for Squirt and Flower Power Wax. But hot wax still emerges as some kind of heroic winner. Squirt was nice, cheap and does the job. I'm testing Flower power wax now with great results. Not noisy and clean. Seems fine. No extra work to do, seems more environmentally friendly then hot wax.
I use Squirt in the summer months but it's next to useless for the UK winter unless you reapply every single ride. For winter I use Pedros Syn Lube but to be honest any decent quality wet lube will do. With Squirt I carefully apply to the rollers rather than drip it on a moving chain. Less mess and less waste.
Chain L is the best one I've tried. Not environmentally friendly, not clean, but it lasts 2000km per application and it's the quietest lube out of all of them.
Tried my own homebrewn wax and found it silly to hotwax chains. We already used wax-spray in the 90ies instead of oil on our MTB-chains and it kept the chains more clean. These days I use something like Squirt Lube and it perfectly works. If the chain is eventually worn, I throw it out. What the heck, it might be one of the cheapest bike parts anyway! Zero friction? My ass.... 🤑😂
Effetto Mariposa flower power wax claims to be quite eco friendly. Not sure it that is true. Is 15 euros for a 100ml bottle. Squirt luibe is 12,19 for 120ml at the same online retailer. So a little more expensive but nothing like the most expensive options.
The letters on the bottle are backwards, how can that be? I like oil based lubes. Oil is a great cleaner. Squirt it on, wait a bit, and wipe it off with a bathroom wipe. No cleaning needed.
I use Squirt, can also add water if it gets too viscous. The next level cheaper option is wax which I'll probably switch to when my Squirt lube bottles run out, price is ridiculous in Thailand 450 baht/£10 for 120ml
I’ve just got into the fad of chain waxing. Started with some finish line kyrogenic liquid wax as it was on sale. Pretty good stuff but alarmingly toxic. Currently trying squirt lube. First impressions are it seems quite sticky on the chain. I’m yet to ride with it but I wonder if it will attract a lot of road and track crud due to how sticky it is. We shall see.
That grease is for rust protection during warehouse storage. It is a contamination magnet though if ridden in the real world. I remove the factory grease via a clean rag OR the fast way is with 100ml of solvent in a jam jar like mineral turps. I use that 100ml for many cleans. I then polish the dipped chain with a clean rag. Ive been doing this format for over 10 years with squirt lube and STILL running the original sram red XG1090 cassette on my main bike lol. You DONT need to remove the chain from the bike either if you dont want to. Put some plastic bags on your hands and put some mineral turps in a clean rag and just polish clean the chain. Spend 5 mins doing this and it will be good enough. We are not doing a heart transplant remember. We are just cleaning BICYCLE CHAINS lol. Some wax crew who make a lot of money selling waxed chains will pretend you need to do some insane routine of chain cleaning with many liters of solvents and use a stop watch etc lol. They are just trying to make you give up so you pay them for a chain cleaning service IMO.
Thx Durian for your videos. I wax all my chains using Molten Speed Wax on all my bikes and had a great efficient, quiet experience and a very clean drivetrain. Silca Super Secret on top of the waxed chain does wonders and lasts a very long time. And it doesn’t gum up.
The studies are very clearly biased. I have bikes from the 80's, 90's, 2000's and 2010's all on the original chains, shifting perfectly. The wax shills would say this is impossible & that you need wax. Lol
@@_slowpoke Undoubtedly. No different than a timing chain in a car. As long as you change the oil & never let the level drop down or overheat the car, that chain will also last for many many years without needing to be changed.
@@FirstnameLastname-pe5ib completely different to a timing chain in a car, a bicycle chain creates static and is totally open to the atmospehere where attracts dirt, grim dus other elements in the environment a timing chain in a car is completely sealed off from the external environment and cannot attract Dirt, grim and the oil that then lubricates the timing chain is also filtered.. Wax is without doubt much better for bicycle chains
If it sounds too good to be true, it usual is-lol Been using 3-1 oil on my chain since back in the 70's- 0 issues. I don't understand what the big fuss is, over a part that costs about $20-25 dollars-lol!
Find squirt gets dirty too easily. I tend to have at least 3 chains (YBN chains that I got from ali each for about 12.00)that I wax and switch between them using Silca hot wax. If I am forced to do a quick top up I use Silca super secret. Really takes no real effort to hot wax them since you can leave the pot on low, whenever the wax is melt leave the chain for about 15 minutes, take it out and place the others.
Squirt is ok but damn your chain will get dirty using it and you also have to apply it every ride. I use and prefer Smoove. Chain still gets quite dirty but you don't have to reapply it as often as Squirt.
I bought paraffin wax and ptfe powder from aliexpress. I have been using it for 3 years. A chain can be used for 12,000 km and I never have to change the cassette.
PTFE and wax is the best. Oz cycle also have a home made liquid lube with food grade Wax+PTFE+Coleman Fuel (led free fuel/bensin for lanters and stoves). I made it but haven't tried it yet.
Yeah I was once a squirt fan & others but now moved hot was & have found it far cleaner, less mess & grime & chain has very little to no wear (12,000km). Problem I found with Squirt, it constantly attracted so much grime & dirt in chain & drivetrain .. annoying!
Squirt Lube, Perfect … others can wax lyrical as much they want but that frictionless over priced click bait , ouch .. I wouldn’t hold a candle up to their claims ..hold onto your money
Omg. You're talking about "over-expensive snake oil" and you use a water-wax-emulsion for $15/100ml, so $150 per liter? PER LITER?? Hahahaha. Now try to google what this really costs when buying it from any technical chemicals supplier. If you're lucky enough to find one selling it super-small containers (which is 5 liters then).
Use 3 bottles of Squirt, got so fed up with would come off in the rain, bits of wax always flying off. Smoove is alot better but finding someone who sales it is difficult Started using Silca I know it's not cheap but really impressed. I had a full bottle of Squirt and just went in the bin!
I don't think you know how to use it. I'm guessing you never cleaned your chain initially...I just rode 60 miles with 8000 feet of elevation gain, and half of that ride was in the rain. Chain still clean as after a quick wipe and plenty of wax left...
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Quick wipedown and light application of Squirt has been my routine for years.
WD40 every 200km, did 16000 km on dura ace chain last yr, stretched 3mm total length. always clean, never attracts dirt or sand.
IM a 60 year old fart and have used WD40 since day one
I'm using Ballistol Oil. Thats complete Non-Toxic. You can even use it for Skin Care or the Kitchen. Ballistol Neo smells like Peppermint and i use it for my Skin-Care. The Standard Ballistol does not smell good in my Opinion but its working well on my Bike and around the House working use. This Oil is perfect for me. I use only the 2 Oils. Ballistol and Ballistol Neo. Even my Beard feels like Cat-Fur with it.
Oz cycle have a home made liquid lube with food grade Wax+PTFE+Coleman Fuel (led free fuel for lanters and stoves). Your chain will be even cleaner and ptfe allow wax to stick better. But it's litte complicated and take time to order things and make it. Squirt is the best in terms of simplicity. I also heard that Flower power wax might be better than Squirt.
Not a fan of squirt, actually think it is useless, driveline runs noisey and gummy. Being using Finish Line wet lube for many years and has been fine. Yeah it requires alot of work keeping chain, cassette and rear wheel clean (OCD) but did the job getting up to 10k a chain. Thought fuck will give this wax stuff a crack, pretty cheap to setup and the initial cleaning of everything process is a pain in the arse but well the effort. Inital thoughts after refitting and spinning chain on the workstand wasnt positive, felt stiff and heavy. Just finished a 60k ride on dry country dusty roads and it is brilliant, only took a kilometre for links to loosen and it is so good. Previously had some gears that would be noisy even after a full service, now every gear is quite, smooth and it shifts like never felt before.
What you did, everyone should do: try 'em all and don't knock them until you have tried them. Personally, I am also happier with wax so far. Have to test the longevity claims yet though. What is already clear for me is the lack off mess and the ease of cleaning the bike. But I encourage everyone to try everything for themselves.
@@ThePhiliposophy agreed. Early days as just got it going but very pleased. The lack of mess is a win, no more wiping chain and cassette after each ride, no more cleaning any lube on rimbrake tracks.
Have a drawer full of different chain lubes. Been using Dumond Tech for the last three years with good results but the chain and cassette turn black even though I clean it regularly. Just started using Super Lube 51004 with PTFE. Will see how it performs. My next experiment will be Squirt Lube. If all else fails then I will try hot wax. Thank you an important video.
I've tried Squirt, Silca Super Secret and effetto mariposa flower power wax and the effetto was the best of the 3 IMO.
Thanks for the suggestion. Only used standard oil lubricants thus far. Just looked into the Effetto, seems like it might suit me.
(Ironically this vid led me to the ZFC website/channel, which I'd heard off, but never visited before. Found it quite interesting (if a little too detailed for my interests)).
I also heard it might be better than Squirt. How is it better? Does it attract even less dirt? Better for wet so it stays better on the chain?
@@corvus400 For me with the Squirt It seemed to wear off fast, I had to relube after 125-150 miles. With the Effetto I get between 275-300.
It's funny because even ZFC own results were really good for Squirt and Flower Power Wax. But hot wax still emerges as some kind of heroic winner. Squirt was nice, cheap and does the job. I'm testing Flower power wax now with great results. Not noisy and clean. Seems fine. No extra work to do, seems more environmentally friendly then hot wax.
Squirt for the win…
$200 waxed chain would go good with the rolex
I use Squirt in the summer months but it's next to useless for the UK winter unless you reapply every single ride. For winter I use Pedros Syn Lube but to be honest any decent quality wet lube will do. With Squirt I carefully apply to the rollers rather than drip it on a moving chain. Less mess and less waste.
Chain L is the best one I've tried. Not environmentally friendly, not clean, but it lasts 2000km per application and it's the quietest lube out of all of them.
Tried my own homebrewn wax and found it silly to hotwax chains. We already used wax-spray in the 90ies instead of oil on our MTB-chains and it kept the chains more clean. These days I use something like Squirt Lube and it perfectly works. If the chain is eventually worn, I throw it out. What the heck, it might be one of the cheapest bike parts anyway! Zero friction? My ass.... 🤑😂
Can you do a video on cycle bibs??
Squirt has made the drivechain the absolute quietest of anything I've tried.
Effetto Mariposa flower power wax claims to be quite eco friendly. Not sure it that is true. Is 15 euros for a 100ml bottle. Squirt luibe is 12,19 for 120ml at the same online retailer. So a little more expensive but nothing like the most expensive options.
I use Squirt, but nothing comes close to Ride Mechanic Bike Milk for amazing smell.
The letters on the bottle are backwards, how can that be? I like oil based lubes. Oil is a great cleaner. Squirt it on, wait a bit, and wipe it off with a bathroom wipe. No cleaning needed.
Yea looks like filmed with a mirror.
@@zedtony8110 It can happen with film but I didn't think it could happen with digital.
He's using the selfie camera on a phone....likes to look at himself while doing it, and when he's filming lol.... (narc)
@@Bazza1968 LOL
i use it almost a year now, very good product.
thank you for the honesty 👍
do you also recomend squirt lube for the commuter speed ebike?
I also only use Squirt 👍 simply the best.
I use Squirt, can also add water if it gets too viscous. The next level cheaper option is wax which I'll probably switch to when my Squirt lube bottles run out, price is ridiculous in Thailand 450 baht/£10 for 120ml
Great vids! What about your sneaker collection about your environmental impact? Keep up the good work. Have a nice day!
I’ve just got into the fad of chain waxing. Started with some finish line kyrogenic liquid wax as it was on sale. Pretty good stuff but alarmingly toxic. Currently trying squirt lube. First impressions are it seems quite sticky on the chain. I’m yet to ride with it but I wonder if it will attract a lot of road and track crud due to how sticky it is. We shall see.
Thanks, what is the best way to remove the factory grease from a new chain?
That grease is for rust protection during warehouse storage. It is a contamination magnet though if ridden in the real world.
I remove the factory grease via a clean rag OR the fast way is with 100ml of solvent in a jam jar like mineral turps. I use that 100ml for many cleans. I then polish the dipped chain with a clean rag. Ive been doing this format for over 10 years with squirt lube and STILL running the original sram red XG1090 cassette on my main bike lol.
You DONT need to remove the chain from the bike either if you dont want to. Put some plastic bags on your hands and put some mineral turps in a clean rag and just polish clean the chain. Spend 5 mins doing this and it will be good enough. We are not doing a heart transplant remember. We are just cleaning BICYCLE CHAINS lol.
Some wax crew who make a lot of money selling waxed chains will pretend you need to do some insane routine of chain cleaning with many liters of solvents and use a stop watch etc lol. They are just trying to make you give up so you pay them for a chain cleaning service IMO.
Thx Durian for your videos. I wax all my chains using Molten Speed Wax on all my bikes and had a great efficient, quiet experience and a very clean drivetrain. Silca Super Secret on top of the waxed chain does wonders and lasts a very long time. And it doesn’t gum up.
Careful with the carcinogens in MSW vapors.
@@DurianriderCyclingTips Copy that Durian! Have a great Easter 🐣
Genuinely the best lube, this man should know!
Hey, I use Squirt! Good stuff!
Is this a drip on wax or just a regular lubricant?
Waxed based lubricant
The studies are very clearly biased. I have bikes from the 80's, 90's, 2000's and 2010's all on the original chains, shifting perfectly. The wax shills would say this is impossible & that you need wax. Lol
@@_slowpoke Undoubtedly. No different than a timing chain in a car. As long as you change the oil & never let the level drop down or overheat the car, that chain will also last for many many years without needing to be changed.
@@FirstnameLastname-pe5ib completely different to a timing chain in a car, a bicycle chain creates static and is totally open to the atmospehere where attracts dirt, grim dus other elements in the environment a timing chain in a car is completely sealed off from the external environment and cannot attract Dirt, grim and the oil that then lubricates the timing chain is also filtered.. Wax is without doubt much better for bicycle chains
@@Steve-jo3cl You just informed the class that you don't know anything about cars OR bicycles. Gods speed.
@@FirstnameLastname-pe5ib rightio if you say so, pretty obvious i know a lot more then you by your stupid statement
@@Steve-jo3cl Ok lil fella 😂
If it sounds too good to be true, it usual is-lol
Been using 3-1 oil on my chain since back in the 70's- 0 issues.
I don't understand what the big fuss is, over a part that costs about $20-25 dollars-lol!
thank you for all your videos, genuinely
love from austria (no kangaroos here :)
squirt lube and hot wax is both paraffin wax no? the squirt lube has a solvent in it, that's really the only difference as far as I know.
It's great stuff.
Find squirt gets dirty too easily. I tend to have at least 3 chains (YBN chains that I got from ali each for about 12.00)that I wax and switch between them using Silca hot wax. If I am forced to do a quick top up I use Silca super secret. Really takes no real effort to hot wax them since you can leave the pot on low, whenever the wax is melt leave the chain for about 15 minutes, take it out and place the others.
Toxins off gasing from the wax pot though...
Squirt is ok but damn your chain will get dirty using it and you also have to apply it every ride. I use and prefer Smoove. Chain still gets quite dirty but you don't have to reapply it as often as Squirt.
But does it have zero friction 😂
I bought paraffin wax and ptfe powder from aliexpress. I have been using it for 3 years. A chain can be used for 12,000 km and I never have to change the cassette.
Thank you. Waiting on a PTFE powder order from AliExpress too. Already have a crock pot on standby.
I have 2 chains. One is always waiting on the wall, waxed. Waxing is like a whole food plant-based diet. Once you try it, you'll never go back... :)
PTFE and wax is the best. Oz cycle also have a home made liquid lube with food grade Wax+PTFE+Coleman Fuel (led free fuel/bensin for lanters and stoves). I made it but haven't tried it yet.
Yeah I was once a squirt fan & others but now moved hot was & have found it far cleaner, less mess & grime & chain has very little to no wear (12,000km). Problem I found with Squirt, it constantly attracted so much grime & dirt in chain & drivetrain .. annoying!
Squirt, as well as my lord and saviour, Smoove Lube. All made in South Africa. Stuff is hands down the best lube on earth
squirt is the best.doubles the lifespan of the drivetrain
WD-40 Dry lube
Hot wax for me. Squirt too sticky and gets gunky. White Lightning is good for travel drip on.
the snake oil salesmen are not full natty.
Squirt Lube, Perfect … others can wax lyrical as much they want but that frictionless over priced click bait , ouch .. I wouldn’t hold a candle up to their claims ..hold onto your money
t9 boeshield FTW
I use the same.
@@FullSugarBrah quality!
Squirt lube has penetration issues, Ceramicspeed drip on wax lube is better
Not it doesnt lol.
Im still using my sram red xg1090 cassette on my bamboo bike since installing it in 2013. Squirt lube IS the best.
Is that a Rolex $$$$$
Yes, basic common sense, Squirt,finish line, tri flo that’s all you need. Gee
CHAIN WAX 🤣…CROC POTS ….🤣…lovers of disco brakes and plastic bikes just love it ….🤣
Omg. You're talking about "over-expensive snake oil" and you use a water-wax-emulsion for $15/100ml, so $150 per liter? PER LITER?? Hahahaha. Now try to google what this really costs when buying it from any technical chemicals supplier. If you're lucky enough to find one selling it super-small containers (which is 5 liters then).
well why dont you make it and sell it then if its that easy? I will promote it for free just as I promote Squirt for free.
@@DurianriderCyclingTips I seriously think about selling the stuff I use, will send you some bottles then 😄
Use 3 bottles of Squirt, got so fed up with would come off in the rain, bits of wax always flying off. Smoove is alot better but finding someone who sales it is difficult
Started using Silca I know it's not cheap but really impressed. I had a full bottle of Squirt and just went in the bin!
I don't think you know how to use it. I'm guessing you never cleaned your chain initially...I just rode 60 miles with 8000 feet of elevation gain, and half of that ride was in the rain. Chain still clean as after a quick wipe and plenty of wax left...
Its a dry lube for dry conditions. If you ride in the rain get wet lube like Finish Line.
I hope you dont Mind, but great Vid!