@@ogrebattle22763 you are quite sure that after 40thousand ethnically cleansed protestants prior to partation and during that n later terrorism x 40yrs supported by roi/USA/ghaddifa In 26 COUNTIES IRISH CATHOLIC STATE was showing love of Irish protestants!!?? Come of the worse thing NI did was permit self selected aphreid faith schools where poor kids were streamed for hate of fellow man WHO they never met in CHILDHOOD.. NI WAS A DEVOLOPING COUNTRY OF 6 COUNTIES.. DO YOU REALLY NOT SEE many successful ppl were of all faiths encouraged to not live in past.. Result of nasty past of intolerance of being different culture Ireland was moving on.. Ppl were.
@@celticmist14 "A Presbyterian State" for Scottish Outcasts! Send them back to Scotland who are UK Unionists. Unity in Ireland is a United Ireland regardless of Religion.
@@johndoe-ss9bz well rounded comment, should they do that in america too? give it all back to the american native indians? what about s.america? give it all back to the aztecs mayans and inca's??? you live in 1705 or what?
@@johndoe-ss9bzWow no need to be sectarain falling into orange trap just because they hate Roman Catholics doesn't mean Roman Catholics should hate Protestants.
Well times have certainly changed , Sinn Fein the Republican Party is the biggest party now in Northern Ireland and after the next election will be the party with the most representatives in the Dail, the parliament of the Republic of Ireland 🇮🇪. Fortunately for unionists Sinn Fein is a party that does not discriminate against person , they abhor religious bigotry or racist hatred and welcomes people into the party from all walks of life .
THE Rebublic was hardly a utopia with the poverty and oppression from the church Also the protestant population went from 10% in 1922 to 3% . People immigrated in their droves to get away from the poverty and oppression . HOME RULE WAS ROME RULE.
I agree but at the end of the day Ireland is Ireland and the majority of the people in Ireland back then believed in Catholic Church teaching whether you like it or not. The country was bound to be poor since it had suffered bad governance for several hundred years under English rule.
@@charliebridges3584 so do you agree that northern unionist were justified in rejecting home rule . Their fear that home rule would be rome rule it was. How do you think the chirch run state would have treated 1 million protestant unionists?
@@edwardtanner6393 Well actually, the tragedy of partition was that the Catholic Church would not have gained the social monopoly it acquired had the Irish population been 25% Protestant. Also, the independent Free State was cut off from the most powerful industrial base in the North East. This made it difficult for Ireland to achieve economic growth as a small economy. Over time, it resulted in economic decay in Northern Ireland too, as the traditional shipbuilding industry went into decline after WW2.
@@charliebridges3584 don't think the protestants in the north would have stoped the catholic church .. The northern industry would have fair even worse without the British market . Shipbuilding in Belfast decline at the same time as the British shipyards. So i think the unionist seen home rule right .
@@edwardtanner6393 Basically Protestants and Catholics in Ireland shared the same conservative values between the 1920s and the 1960s. Protestant Ulster under Craigavon was just as conservative as the Irish Republic under De Valera. Most Protestants went to Church services almost as often as Catholics went to mass and there were actually very few divorces among Protestants in the North up to the 1970s, even though it was legal. Plus the North banned abortion and gay sex when these were made legal in England, so you can't blame that on the Catholic Church. Whether you are talking about ship-building industry in Belfast or cattle industry in the South, Britain will always be the number one export destiny for Irish produce, whether or not the whole of Ireland is independent. It is the same for other small European countries like Holland and Denmark in their economic exports to Germany and France. Holland has large Catholic and large Protestant populations that could work together to make the country an economic success without sacrificing its independence to Germany. An All-island Irish economy can easily do the same.
What you stand for seems very noble. What I think you have forgotten is that the vast majority of Irish citizens in the past, migrated to formerly British or English speaking nation's to escape the reality of the free state. As an island we very much are united in a great amount of problems, suicide, drug abuse, criminal activity, and a lot lot more. Thanks for your opinion.
... So the British aren't responsible for how poor the Republic of Ireland was in it's first decades? They weren't to blame for Catholic Irish immigration to America? That's very selective history... rip something out of context to make it appear differently.... as long as Britain escapes blame... right... the British empire on which the sun dare not set for fear of what the Brits get upto in the darkness...
@@fionanmurphy4107 With few exceptions, most Catholics in Ireland were poor, while those of Protestant background in ALL of Ireland were generally much richer... and this was a result of centuries of British rule where one had privilages as a Protestant subject compared to a Catholic British subject. Also after the independence of the Irish Republic, the British made sure they had a stranglehold on the Irish economy and it even took many years before the msin Irish sea ports were in full sovereign hands of the new Irish Republic. When the Republic of Ireland joined the EEC in 1973 the amount of trade with the UK was about 75%... today it is about 15% and Brexit will become a catalyst for the British economic influential decline with Ireland.. both in the Republic and NI. Psychologically the past discrimination of centuries can be seen clearest in Ulster, where the majority of Protestants only assume extreme positivity towards being British... because they and their ancestors gained from bring British... while the majority of Catholics Nationalists are often quite anti-British, reflected in their own and their ancestors' negative experiences of British rule. A regime lasting centuries and being one of economic and cultural subordination and domination. The sectarian divides in Ulster are coldly logical in their development, if one has a good understanding of a few centuries of history. Past British rule in Ireland is certainly a direct and MAJOR factor in the poverty of Ireland of the past, but more so amongst those of Catholic background... less so for the historically Protestant ascendency in British ruled Ireland...
In 1922 when the two States separated the difference between the two was large, now in 2024 the difference is also large ......the South is very rich with a budget surplus in the Billions while the North is very poor with a Budget negative with mass poverty.....so sad.........may be the Unionists should have been Smarter and understood Economics......I am sure America would be poor today if it was still under the British Empire........ it's What Empires do.....Ha Ha Ha...Silly Unionists.
Exaggerated and downright unpleasant to keep tub thumping your republican propaganda at a time when the issues have long been addressed. Whilst there was indeed considerable discrimination against Catholics it was by no means absolute and my Catholic parents were one of the first to receive a pleasant new semi detached house in the brand new Rathcoole estate. Keep your nastiness to yourself.
FCB Actually no Mr Cynic, while there was the odd isolated bigot the vast majority were normal and friendly and I enjoyed my childhood there. My father was on the tenants committee . The real unpleasantness only began in the 1970’s and we had left by that time.
@@georgeshaw1426 'the unpleasantness only began in the 1970s' hilarious! I think that sort of proves the point. So I'll just let that priceless one sit! What a fool!
FCB what age are you? Don’t you wish to know the actual truth of the way things were or are you impervious to facts? it’s appears pointless trying to get closed minds like yours to face facts that don’t suit your revisionist version of history. I first came across actual trouble on the streets in 1969 but, at that time, there was no particular sectarian problem in the predominantly Protestant area of North Belfast /Newtownabbey where I lived. I even worked in the Shipyard in the 60’s! I was on my way home from the Ulster Grand Prix in August. 1969 with two Protestant friends when on the way down the road towards Andersontown we arrived at a barricade and were stoned for no reason at all by a group of thugs. Of course I was aware of the civil rights marches in 1968 and the trouble around them which essentially kicked off the troubles but the point I am making is that it was possible to get along with Protestants without much problem in the 1960’s and that severe sectarian problems did not permeate every aspect of life like they came to do in the 1970’s. No doubt you’ll find a smart arse comment but you should respect the fact that this was my lived experience. No doubt others had worse experiences but this was how I found things then.
@@georgeshaw1426 'Sectarian problems did not permeate every aspect of life'. So knowing Protestants made it a wonderful place to live? Dear oh dear. A sectarian bigotted intolerant revolting backwater bolsterd through discrimination underpinned by masonic institutions from the day of its inception....that's what Northern Ireland was. And just for the record don't presume to know or guess my religious political or national background..suffice to say that I've written and published more on the subject than you've probably read on it or even seen on bookshelves. What a wonderful place where two kids from different religious backgrounds could play together...'I even worked in the shipyard'....Good God you actually sound gratified to have been allowed the privilege. Sure some Catholics could even vote! Get a grip of yourself man!
That's pure propaganda that Gobbel's would be proud of. There were unionists living in similar circumstances. Newry's nationalist controlled Council discriminated against unionists in housing and jobs.
@@RobertK1993 No sectarian hatred here pal....however....your own sectarian hatred and bigotry is all over this and hundreds of loyalist/ British/ unionist vids for all to see. The fact you take the time out of your life to click watch and comment on them, practically on a daily basis, leaving bigoted, sectarian, bitter, hate filled comments.....tells us all about your hypocrisy, lies and bigotry Bobby. Now jog along to another vid you sad little individual.
The tables have turned when new estates are built they claim to be mixed. But nationalist flags are soon erected and protestants are put out of their houses....happened in Newtownabbey. A United Ireland will become the new Israel in Northern Ireland. The oppressed Nationalist become the oppressors. If the Palestinians have a right to exist in the land they grew up in so do Protestants. A United Ireland cannot be seen as a way to cleanse the land of the British which I fear is what many expect it to do. Many in Northern Ireland have lived here for many many generations. This is our home too. Any hope of a new Ireland will have to find a way to accept and protect the protestants citizens of this island to ensure they are seen and protected from nationalist historical retribution.
No one's saying protestants should be here or are not wanted, all people want is Protestants to accept democracy and stop trying to dominate everything.
Despite portrayed victimhood of catholics they fail to understand other faiths had no different or better.. There was division caused by choice of aphreid faith schools becoming ira catchment vote the children never mixed but grew up in hate of their protestant neighbours. No different to. UK Islamic sikh schools. They talk of this liberty in 6 counties when 26 counties ethnically cleansed protestants. Irish Irish was cold place for them. Irish made it impossible to live in South so partation created a home.. They became British Irish which all had been as Irish Irish didn't want them. Had they educated their kids together instead of hate they would have seen apart from ruling class ALL PEOPLE not just them HAD SAME PROBLEMS.. HOUSING etc..
@@RobertK1993 Really? The BBC has given the voice of high an mighty an brushed as much republican scandals under the carpet as it can while trampling on us Unionists like we are shite. Ye lot an the BBC reminds me of an ole Bible story about the man who tells everyone else till pull the splinter out of their eye while there's a plank in his own eye.
@@ulsterinfidel9897They exposure of Sinn Féin is constantly on Nolan Show etc BBC British Broadcasting Corporation hardly going be fair Irish Republicanism wants free Ireland from British imperialism
Ding dong, your sectarian regime is dead, as your entire country will be soon. Gerry Kelly head of policing and justice. Isn't that awe-inspiring and somewhat ironic?
Adam G. Oh, shut up Adam. I destroyed your arguments countless times in the past. What makes you think you're still worth trying to argue with? I'm too smart for you I'm afraid.
Countless times? You're obviously not that smart if you can't count to one. You should be grateful the NI state gave republicans free education in 1947, otherwise you'd have been on the streets rioting with the rest of them
Some of those Draconian laws that were shown made you think that this was the dark ages,no wonder people fought back.
Yes indeed.... "Protestant government for a Protestant people" if that doesn't say it all than nothing did....
You only listen to propaghna version
@@ogrebattle22763 you are quite sure that after 40thousand ethnically cleansed protestants prior to partation and during that n later terrorism x 40yrs supported by roi/USA/ghaddifa In 26 COUNTIES IRISH CATHOLIC STATE was showing love of Irish protestants!!?? Come of the worse thing NI did was permit self selected aphreid faith schools where poor kids were streamed for hate of fellow man WHO they never met in CHILDHOOD.. NI WAS A DEVOLOPING COUNTRY OF 6 COUNTIES.. DO YOU REALLY NOT SEE many successful ppl were of all faiths encouraged to not live in past.. Result of nasty past of intolerance of being different culture Ireland was moving on.. Ppl were.
@@joprocter4573No this is the truth Ulster Presbyterians never dominated anything Ulster Scots are just gimps for English Anglican Conservative Party
''Broke away'' and formed a new ''state''. Hilarious!
Elections. What election.
@@celticmist14 "A Presbyterian State" for Scottish Outcasts! Send them back to Scotland who are UK Unionists. Unity in Ireland is a United Ireland regardless of Religion.
@@johndoe-ss9bz well rounded comment, should they do that in america too? give it all back to the american native indians? what about s.america? give it all back to the aztecs mayans and inca's??? you live in 1705 or what?
@@johndoe-ss9bzWow no need to be sectarain falling into orange trap just because they hate Roman Catholics doesn't mean Roman Catholics should hate Protestants.
@@whitetroutchannelIt's called sectarianism and the other side is also guilty of it.
"Overwhelming majority". That'Overwhelming majority' only existed in Antrim. The majority, I'll repeat, majority, did not want Ireland split.
Catch yourself on
@Nathan Turner there were one million Protestants to half a million Catholics at that time. How do you figure out the lack of support?
Ulster Scot Presbyterian Unionists are arrogant
@@raftonpounder6696How’s that majority looking now😂😂. The clock is ticking.
The average adult in Britain is totally ignorant of this
Indeed...
Probably because it’s lies.
True to this day totaly ignorant there.
Well times have certainly changed , Sinn Fein the Republican Party is the biggest party now in Northern Ireland and after the next election will be the party with the most representatives in the Dail, the parliament of the Republic of Ireland 🇮🇪.
Fortunately for unionists Sinn Fein is a party that does not discriminate against person , they abhor religious bigotry or racist hatred and welcomes people into the party from all walks of life .
And there goes your country - Ironically at the hands of Sinn Fein.
That's our Brian. He fell off his horse.
Many did, in this hell hole....probably deep state activity.....
THE Rebublic was hardly a utopia with the poverty and oppression from the church
Also the protestant population went from 10% in 1922 to 3% .
People immigrated in their droves to get away from the poverty and oppression .
HOME RULE WAS ROME RULE.
I agree but at the end of the day Ireland is Ireland and the majority of the people in Ireland back then believed in Catholic Church teaching whether you like it or not. The country was bound to be poor since it had suffered bad governance for several hundred years under English rule.
@@charliebridges3584 so do you agree that northern unionist were justified in rejecting home rule .
Their fear that home rule would be rome rule it was.
How do you think the chirch run state would have treated 1 million protestant unionists?
@@edwardtanner6393 Well actually, the tragedy of partition was that the Catholic Church would not have gained the social monopoly it acquired had the Irish population been 25% Protestant. Also, the independent Free State was cut off from the most powerful industrial base in the North East. This made it difficult for Ireland to achieve economic growth as a small economy. Over time, it resulted in economic decay in Northern Ireland too, as the traditional shipbuilding industry went into decline after WW2.
@@charliebridges3584 don't think the protestants in the north would have stoped the catholic church ..
The northern industry would have fair even worse without the British market .
Shipbuilding in Belfast decline at the same time as the British shipyards.
So i think the unionist seen home rule right .
@@edwardtanner6393 Basically Protestants and Catholics in Ireland shared the same conservative values between the 1920s and the 1960s. Protestant Ulster under Craigavon was just as conservative as the Irish Republic under De Valera. Most Protestants went to Church services almost as often as Catholics went to mass and there were actually very few divorces among Protestants in the North up to the 1970s, even though it was legal. Plus the North banned abortion and gay sex when these were made legal in England, so you can't blame that on the Catholic Church. Whether you are talking about ship-building industry in Belfast or cattle industry in the South, Britain will always be the number one export destiny for Irish produce, whether or not the whole of Ireland is independent. It is the same for other small European countries like Holland and Denmark in their economic exports to Germany and France. Holland has large Catholic and large Protestant populations that could work together to make the country an economic success without sacrificing its independence to Germany. An All-island Irish economy can easily do the same.
What you stand for seems very noble. What I think you have forgotten is that the vast majority of Irish citizens in the past, migrated to formerly British or English speaking nation's to escape the reality of the free state. As an island we very much are united in a great amount of problems, suicide, drug abuse, criminal activity, and a lot lot more. Thanks for your opinion.
... So the British aren't responsible for how poor the Republic of Ireland was in it's first decades? They weren't to blame for Catholic Irish immigration to America? That's very selective history... rip something out of context to make it appear differently.... as long as Britain escapes blame... right... the British empire on which the sun dare not set for fear of what the Brits get upto in the darkness...
@@clavichord the British aren't responsible for how poor we were but now we're richer than them thats a amazing turn around
@@fionanmurphy4107 With few exceptions, most Catholics in Ireland were poor, while those of Protestant background in ALL of Ireland were generally much richer... and this was a result of centuries of British rule where one had privilages as a Protestant subject compared to a Catholic British subject. Also after the independence of the Irish Republic, the British made sure they had a stranglehold on the Irish economy and it even took many years before the msin Irish sea ports were in full sovereign hands of the new Irish Republic. When the Republic of Ireland joined the EEC in 1973 the amount of trade with the UK was about 75%... today it is about 15% and Brexit will become a catalyst for the British economic influential decline with Ireland.. both in the Republic and NI.
Psychologically the past discrimination of centuries can be seen clearest in Ulster, where the majority of Protestants only assume extreme positivity towards being British... because they and their ancestors gained from bring British... while the majority of Catholics Nationalists are often quite anti-British, reflected in their own and their ancestors' negative experiences of British rule. A regime lasting centuries and being one of economic and cultural subordination and domination. The sectarian divides in Ulster are coldly logical in their development, if one has a good understanding of a few centuries of history.
Past British rule in Ireland is certainly a direct and MAJOR factor in the poverty of Ireland of the past, but more so amongst those of Catholic background... less so for the historically Protestant ascendency in British ruled Ireland...
Strange perspective 🤔
It’s all lies. Don’t believe rubbish posted on here by a traitor to his own people who supports murdering scum.
Democracy in action ,,,,har har fkg har.
We broke away from them? Lol
In 1922 when the two States separated the difference between the two was large, now in 2024 the difference is also large ......the South is very rich with a budget surplus in the Billions while the North is very poor with a Budget negative with mass poverty.....so sad.........may be the Unionists should have been Smarter and understood Economics......I am sure America would be poor today if it was still under the British Empire........ it's What Empires do.....Ha Ha Ha...Silly Unionists.
"Broke away & formed an independent state"???????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....
Exaggerated and downright unpleasant to keep tub thumping your republican propaganda at a time when the issues have long been addressed. Whilst there was indeed considerable discrimination against Catholics it was by no means absolute and my Catholic parents were one of the first to receive a pleasant new semi detached house in the brand new Rathcoole estate. Keep your nastiness to yourself.
And subsequently driven out no doubt
FCB Actually no Mr Cynic, while there was the odd isolated bigot the vast majority were normal and friendly and I enjoyed my childhood there. My father was on the tenants committee . The real unpleasantness only began in the 1970’s and we had left by that time.
@@georgeshaw1426 'the unpleasantness only began in the 1970s' hilarious! I think that sort of proves the point. So I'll just let that priceless one sit! What a fool!
FCB what age are you? Don’t you wish to know the actual truth of the way things were or are you impervious to facts? it’s appears pointless trying to get closed minds like yours to face facts that don’t suit your revisionist version of history.
I first came across actual trouble on the streets in 1969 but, at that time, there was no particular sectarian problem in the predominantly Protestant area of North Belfast /Newtownabbey where I lived. I even worked in the Shipyard in the 60’s! I was on my way home from the Ulster Grand Prix in August. 1969 with two Protestant friends when on the way down the road towards Andersontown we arrived at a barricade and were stoned for no reason at all by a group of thugs. Of course I was aware of the civil rights marches in 1968 and the trouble around them which essentially kicked off the troubles but the point I am making is that it was possible to get along with Protestants without much problem in the 1960’s and that severe sectarian problems did not permeate every aspect of life like they came to do in the 1970’s. No doubt you’ll find a smart arse comment but you should respect the fact that this was my lived experience. No doubt others had worse experiences but this was how I found things then.
@@georgeshaw1426 'Sectarian problems did not permeate every aspect of life'. So knowing Protestants made it a wonderful place to live? Dear oh dear. A sectarian bigotted intolerant revolting backwater bolsterd through discrimination underpinned by masonic institutions from the day of its inception....that's what Northern Ireland was. And just for the record don't presume to know or guess my religious political or national background..suffice to say that I've written and published more on the subject than you've probably read on it or even seen on bookshelves. What a wonderful place where two kids from different religious backgrounds could play together...'I even worked in the shipyard'....Good God you actually sound gratified to have been allowed the privilege. Sure some Catholics could even vote! Get a grip of yourself man!
Who are more sectarian towards Roman Catholics out of all Ulster Protestant denominations Anglicans or Presbyterians
That's pure propaganda that Gobbel's would be proud of. There were unionists living in similar circumstances. Newry's nationalist controlled Council discriminated against unionists in housing and jobs.
+bickybox bullshit
It's the truth
Nonsense any evidence??
You’re in denial of you don’t see the discrimination and oppression of the Irish under British apartheid.
What bullshit
And they won x.
brits out!
Grow up !
@@Drifty40I've seen spout same sectarain hatred on RUclips everywhere
@@RobertK1993
No sectarian hatred here pal....however....your own sectarian hatred and bigotry is all over this and hundreds of loyalist/ British/ unionist vids for all to see.
The fact you take the time out of your life to click watch and comment on them, practically on a daily basis, leaving bigoted, sectarian, bitter, hate filled comments.....tells us all about your hypocrisy, lies and bigotry Bobby.
Now jog along to another vid you sad little individual.
Tits out!
Lies lies and more lies
This actually happened
The tables have turned when new estates are built they claim to be mixed. But nationalist flags are soon erected and protestants are put out of their houses....happened in Newtownabbey. A United Ireland will become the new Israel in Northern Ireland. The oppressed Nationalist become the oppressors. If the Palestinians have a right to exist in the land they grew up in so do Protestants. A United Ireland cannot be seen as a way to cleanse the land of the British which I fear is what many expect it to do. Many in Northern Ireland have lived here for many many generations. This is our home too. Any hope of a new Ireland will have to find a way to accept and protect the protestants citizens of this island to ensure they are seen and protected from nationalist historical retribution.
No one's saying protestants should be here or are not wanted, all people want is Protestants to accept democracy and stop trying to dominate everything.
Accept democracy like the Irish free state and later Irish republic Protestants many of whom contributed greatly to Irish culture.
United lreland has to work for both sides in northern lreland
Despite portrayed victimhood of catholics they fail to understand other faiths had no different or better.. There was division caused by choice of aphreid faith schools becoming ira catchment vote the children never mixed but grew up in hate of their protestant neighbours. No different to. UK Islamic sikh schools. They talk of this liberty in 6 counties when 26 counties ethnically cleansed protestants. Irish Irish was cold place for them. Irish made it impossible to live in South so partation created a home.. They became British Irish which all had been as Irish Irish didn't want them. Had they educated their kids together instead of hate they would have seen apart from ruling class ALL PEOPLE not just them HAD SAME PROBLEMS.. HOUSING etc..
Ulster Unionists wonder why South left well this shows it.
The south didn't leave 🤣 England left!
England was forced to stop it's occupation.. the 'South' was always home!
@@eileenhavern77Irish Roman Catholics sick being murdered by Ulster Protestants
Bbc the same them as to day 2018 pro Republican
Edmound Black ya think😂😂😂😂😂
BBC pro-Unionist and loyalist actually.
@@RobertK1993 Really? The BBC has given the voice of high an mighty an brushed as much republican scandals under the carpet as it can while trampling on us Unionists like we are shite.
Ye lot an the BBC reminds me of an ole Bible story about the man who tells everyone else till pull the splinter out of their eye while there's a plank in his own eye.
@@ulsterinfidel9897They exposure of Sinn Féin is constantly on Nolan Show etc BBC British Broadcasting Corporation hardly going be fair Irish Republicanism wants free Ireland from British imperialism
BBC. Brandywell Brock Company.
Don't like Northern Ireland, don't live here and moan constantly...simple
Ding dong, your sectarian regime is dead, as your entire country will be soon. Gerry Kelly head of policing and justice. Isn't that awe-inspiring and somewhat ironic?
"Protestant country for a protestant people" What ever happened to that crazy pipe dream?
+Adam G. Do you like this? Do you like discrimination?
Adam G. Oh, shut up Adam. I destroyed your arguments countless times in the past. What makes you think you're still worth trying to argue with? I'm too smart for you I'm afraid.
Countless times? You're obviously not that smart if you can't count to one. You should be grateful the NI state gave republicans free education in 1947, otherwise you'd have been on the streets rioting with the rest of them
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