I like that for this class they named the positionals appropriately. "Hey this is your flank strike and this is your rear strike" being easy to see without having to read the tooltip will help people while learning the job.
@@pforgottonsoul couple jobs have their rear positionals colored red, botg of DRG's and Monk until DT. SAM is weird because it switches the colors with Dragoon
@@raarasunai4896 Yes, and I can't wait to enjoy the crap out of this job. That Reaper 5 move burst also looks like its going to be part Gunbreaker 'continuation' combo. So you probably could add that to the list of mashups. Oh and probably Red Mage too, but in reverse. Instead of a caster with a melee combo, Viper is a melee that also has a ranged combo.
Still feel that I'll only understand this one once I actually get to play it. The original showcase lost me completely and while I get it more now, I feel I'll only truly understand when I start pushing buttons and figure things out
Same, it's the type of job that you really need to get your hands on to get the flow of it and properly understand how it works, reading it or listening to someone explaining it just makes it sound like a big blur of buffs, debuffs, oGCDs and so on without much logical flow between them all.
Quazii's coverage of the Viper is probably the easiest to digest. He quite literally drew a graphic to show the flow of the rotation for solo target and aoe. It's very straight forward and seems quite fun.
I really like the blade gauge, it's very intuitive to look at once you understand the left/right blade concept, means that you can pretty much ignore half your hotbar
@@dyreckta23 Maybe it's not available on this build. I think it's gonna be a game changer tho. It's gonna give the devs more flexibility because of the less button bloat, and just make it easier for the players to do their rotations.
Viper is the job I’ve been most hyped for. I started putting together my Lloyd Irving cosplay glam as soon as it was announced and I saw the dual swords
it's so selfish it forgot to heal or shield even itself. It will likely be the king of damage actually, so I wouldn't be surprised if it truly does that.
@@JorgeXY Well, Yoshi P already avoided using the Thief as the natural progression from Rogue, instead opting for Ninja, because he felt that the WoL being a "Thief" was wrong and not something the WoL would ever do. I get the feeling he feels the same way about "Assassin".
Honestly seeing Viper and Pictomancer made me realize that basically all old jobs are in dire need of a full rework and even Reaper feels outdated already.
This job is going to take some trial and error to set on controller hotbar to get the flow down. Loving the playstyle, though if I'm being honest MNK is also looking tempting again. Having an AOE heal may make it valuable in progs.
I imagine most controller players will be using the pvp style combo system they are adding. I personally cannot wait to play piano on my keyboard with this job.
Reawaken only coming on at 90 hurts so much. I felt like reaper had nothing to do until 80, and getting roulette as low as 70 felt bad. I worry viper will feel boring until 90 with this in mind?
So for what I understand, it has like almost all skills doubled, one for Left and one for right? If I didn't count wrong looks like we should have enought space, for the people who plays with pad, to put all the Left skills on the Left trigger and the right skills on the right trigger. For me it's very usefull to divide skills like this, I do it with BLM (all Fire Skills to the R, all ice to the L) or with RDM (black magic in Right side and White magic in the left). I will try to main this with my Lalafel, i hope i don't lose the track of my little dude with all this lights and movements lol. Really considering using FINALLY a phantasya to change race since 1.0 but I am kinda attached to my little guy.
So they put all the cut elements of other jobs into Viper? I am here for it, looks so fun and fluid. Not sure if I’ll switch off Ninja for it but hey, don’t really need to thanks to the shared gear.
As someone who is still playing through the MSQ (Just finished SHB), and did almost all of that on Samurai, I am now finding out that it was a very bad idea to not switch jobs because man I am confused. Not gonna give up trying to learn this though!
Viper feels like a strange love child of reaper, samurai and gunbreaker. The big gauge spender to enter turbo mode, the buff (and debuff) combo maintenance from branching combos and a huge number of ogcd weaving for follow ups to attacks. Even their ranged combo feels like an inversion of what Red Mage has for their melee combo, although I guess it doesn’t have a gauge cost.
something that seems to not be mentioned anywhere i look, are vipers 1 2 3 combos able to be separated? instead if having 2 buttons that change? the changing buttons confuse the shit outa me...
Same. I never looked at dotted lines lol. Look at the order and use the hit sound to know when to press next button. Otherwise it's back to focusing on looking at and calling mechanics
@@RED_XLR : I tried running it in some savages during the second tier of raids in EW and I just couldn't get around the mudras not bothering the hell out of me. Especially when they would bug out the GCD sometimes.
@@RED_XLR ninja is fun.... but the set up trick attack 20 seconds before buff window was frustrating in a lot of fights.... usually the ones where the bosses jump
Hi Mr happy im sorry if this is an irrelevant question but does viper have an out of combat spell (like an aoe for example or a buff) that can be used to put you in the combined sword stance? The reason im asking is for the when you’re in city states and want to idle with your swords combined as the dual blade
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Sounds like Vpr has a bit of everything the other Melee gang has / had + some Ranged and Caster, Mnk / Drg / Rpr's positionals, Mnk / Sam / Nin's Haste and Dmg buffs, Rpr's Enshroud burst, and then Mch / Dnc's procs, and Rdm's Melee combo kinda... all it's missing is a DoT, but I can get why the devs are trying to move away from those. Looks fun to play so far especially with Left / Right blade mechs, and can finally have a class to match an Assassin's Creed glam moreso than Nin. Hope the melee job designs take some cues (or get some of their old stuff back in different forms, Mnk lost their positionals and buffs for this? WTF) for fun job mechanics in 8.0, copium Will prob lvl it last since there'll be way too many Vprs for a while
I'm reeeeaaally hoping they'll give us the option to dissociate the 2 main combos buttons into 123's, it would help a lot to get a feel for the job. It's weird to me that they did it like this in the first place, since the stacking/transforming buttons system doesn't even allow it for the rest of the jobs (from what i understand)
I'll be honest, I'm still confused. It'll probably make more sense when I can press the buttons myself, though as a controller player my brain is short circuiting trying to visualise how to place the skills on my cross hotbar. Especially if I want to avoid putting instant skills on the d-pad so I can still move and use them at the same time. Definitely glad they added the pvp style combos on a single button, that's for sure.
Im playing through the msq. If I stop the story at 80 then wait for DT to come out can I continue the story with Viper or picto(since they start at 80)?
@@ShiraMakesVideos Actually you are right it is based on a martial style en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_kung_fu About high precision strikes when you least expect it.
@@StriderZessei yes, unless the dot is like higanbana 1min long it becomes very unfun and frustrating to deal with it. Thank god they removed that trashy self buff and 14sec dot on monk.
I'm definitely going to play this as my off melee job as i really love twinblades and Zidane/Gabranth which it's clearly aping... but im also not really impressed. After learning ad hoc samurai and seeing real results from figuring out how each subsequent even and odd window is meant to go in fights i'm slightly miffed at a job that looks like you can get massive damage out of nothing. Then again RPRs not a hard job and it's really strong too now. Oh well
I've seen a graph sort of show it as MNK stances for the combo routes + SAM buffs +t he last stance ends in different Gibbet/Gallows pairings. Enshroud/Hypercharge, with Mekiyo Shisui style set of skills that start up your buffs faster.
It's within the moves, you have Twinblade moves and dual sword moves. The opener will always start with the Twinblade single target as it's the fastest way to apply both buffs and deals more damage than the 1-4 combo
Whole I intend to main this. I don't know how well it will translate to in game hard to take this over ninja. Should have had a party buff of some kind but whatever.
So, what you're saying is: "Viper is kind of 'hand-holdy' in terms of rotation and a bit one-note"? Good thing healer jobs got those buffs so the "unga-bunga Darth Maul dance partner targets" can take the top of the dps charts. Sounds fun though
Think I'll be sticking with Monk and Ninja. I suppose jobs like this have their place, but it'll be hard-pressed to hold the interest of vets-just like Reaper before it.
One of the attacks makes you spin at the enemy just like Zidane's Grand Lethal in Dissidia, also the LB3 takes some notes from his EX Burst in 012 and the NT opening movie vs Exdeath.
Hmm I'm worried it'll run into the same issue RPR had in Endwalker where when you're forced out of melee you won't have enough gauge to do a double or triple reawaken during the burst windows since their ranged abilities don't give gauge.
Reaper had that problem because it was resource negative for the entire of EW (literally full uptime would be less and less gauge every 2 minutes). Viper is the opposite, it's in the positive by 10 gauge every 2 minutes, so it's more than fine.
So the only real cooldowns Viper has to track are the 120s Serpent's Ire to add 1 Rattling Coil and the 40s twinblade weaponskill combo starter (I'm not really counting Slither)? This job is going to take even less hotbar space than Reaper, and with how hard they're going in on consolidating actions into fewer buttons here, you can't even really mess up your combo. I'm not sure how I feel about this design philosophy for a job that's supposed to be a selfish DPS, it appears to be even easier to play than SAM even if you take positionals into account.
Looks dope but the pauses kinda mess it up a little but the whole right and left blade thing sounds like it’s perfect for controller having them on the right r2 hotbar and l2 for left blade it would have been dope if the holsters where on your back crossed x
I always wanted there to be a speed demon in the game, monk and ninja didnt do it for me and reaper was too edgy/magical for me so i didnt like the fantasy there either, this will be one if not my favorite job to play this expansion
Looking forward to main the class but now having no defense and no raid buff it’s a tough spot in pf vs samurai who already established and at least have third eye idk viper needs to be the strongest dps in order to survive in this economy it’s almost came out unfished imo or they didn’t know what else to add to melee to make it different we could’ve had a unique version of trick maybe one boosting 1.5 damage the entire fight now just the flat buff like every 2 minutes but we will see how it goes
I was with Happy on this one at first, didn't really tell me much as job identity and it just looked like a potentially fun to learn/play job but that's it. However, the more I see coverage about it, the more I grow to like it; seems like a very min/max type of job, with lots of particular nuances and options to optimize your rotations. I'll be looking forward to it and will definitely give it a fair chance, I do like the overall fast paced rogue aesthetic and it's a nice contrast with the other Scouting job for sure.
Viper is flashy and stylish, but... Introducing a new DPS that a bunch of people will be trying out without a personal defensive seems ripe for floor tanking.
I mean they'll still have second wind, feint, and whatever the hell the life steal ability is called, but the people you referring to wouldn't be hitting those anyways. Healers stay strong🙏🏿
there is nothing in non savage+ content that can kill you unless you are constantly face tanking everything boss throws at you. Dragoon was fine without any personal shield, Viper will be too
lets be real, anyone who knows how to play the game are not going to have that much of a problem, the people who will be tanking the floor will have been tanking it anyway. a new job and its defensives wont change that lol
Crazy to me that we're actually getting proper dual wield for once instead of just animations. Like if I followed the explanation correctly, we'll have combos and actions for the left sword and right sword. That's pretty neat mechanically.
Well.. I am moving from healer to melee dps, so it will be great for me to have an "easy do understand" job to play as. But considering how you just follow the doted line, you really have no room to make mistakes and it can get to a point of, are we really playing a MMORPG game or are we just player a fancy version of whac-a-mole? Not far from a press a button to damage class lol But well, I am a WHM main and it will be my first time commiting to a dps on a mmo so... it will be great for me as an introductory class lol
Purely selfish dps kinda surprises me. Hopefully they stack up well against blm and sam. Either way, I'm stoked for viper. They literally made this job for unga bunga players like me who always felt ffxiv's combat was just a tad bit too slow.
Why would you imagine this? The classes that do the most DPS are simply the ones with the least team buffs for balancing reasons. The gap between the skill floor and skill ceiling has to do with saving oGCD's for 2m and not messing up the rotation. I don't see why this class has more of this than others...
@@Exaltableim looking at this comment section and it seems like a lot of people just dont get how (melee) dps jobs work so understanding what actual optimization means is out of the question
I like that for this class they named the positionals appropriately. "Hey this is your flank strike and this is your rear strike" being easy to see without having to read the tooltip will help people while learning the job.
me forgetting which DRG GCD is rear and flank.
I don't display skill names but i spatialized my skills to know where i should be when i use them.
I guarantee you'll get people still not using them properly.
Idiot proof your school of combat. Flair and flourish can come later.
@@pforgottonsoul couple jobs have their rear positionals colored red, botg of DRG's and Monk until DT. SAM is weird because it switches the colors with Dragoon
Viper in a nutshell:
Samurai 40's buffs
Monk positionals
Dragoon OGCD's
Ninja attack speed
Reaper 5 move burst
Dude, You had me at 'Hello'
This is…surprisingly accurate.
@@raarasunai4896 Yes, and I can't wait to enjoy the crap out of this job. That Reaper 5 move burst also looks like its going to be part Gunbreaker 'continuation' combo. So you probably could add that to the list of mashups. Oh and probably Red Mage too, but in reverse. Instead of a caster with a melee combo, Viper is a melee that also has a ranged combo.
And monk gap closer re skinned lol
Still feel that I'll only understand this one once I actually get to play it. The original showcase lost me completely and while I get it more now, I feel I'll only truly understand when I start pushing buttons and figure things out
Same, it's the type of job that you really need to get your hands on to get the flow of it and properly understand how it works, reading it or listening to someone explaining it just makes it sound like a big blur of buffs, debuffs, oGCDs and so on without much logical flow between them all.
same dude. trying to understand this from watching all this videos is making my brain hurt
@@HysteryProduction It probably ends up being one of those jobs that, the moment you start pressing buttons, everything starts flowing naturally.
Quazii's coverage of the Viper is probably the easiest to digest. He quite literally drew a graphic to show the flow of the rotation for solo target and aoe. It's very straight forward and seems quite fun.
I really like the blade gauge, it's very intuitive to look at once you understand the left/right blade concept, means that you can pretty much ignore half your hotbar
Once you learn should never be looking at hotbar as is which is nice. That way I can keep my bars hidden still even on VPR
Not a fan of the twin blade at all but I love the increased chaos and attack speed of the dual blades and burst window.
I need this job yesterday and then some
The animations, the combos, the aesthetics, god yes
June can’t end fast enough
Is it weird that my most burning question for Viper is 'can you /cpose or something to hold the weapon in twinblade form out of combat?'
I NEED THESE ANSWERS!
WE NEED TO KNOW!
now that's the correct question
Im definitely using that one button hotbar option for viper
Me too! In fact I’m doing that for all my jobs
I'm surprised no one did a video about that option yet
@@dyreckta23 Maybe it's not available on this build. I think it's gonna be a game changer tho. It's gonna give the devs more flexibility because of the less button bloat, and just make it easier for the players to do their rotations.
@@RED_XLR Since the option is optional, they need to make it so that all classes can still be played without it.
for viper and picto its built into the job, you can't assign their '2,3' combo actions to the hot bar.
In the initial job trailer, I hated the blue effects.
Now that I can see them fully, I love it.
The effects look amazing
Viper is the job I’ve been most hyped for. I started putting together my Lloyd Irving cosplay glam as soon as it was announced and I saw the dual swords
Viper potencies are crazy. 6000 potency with no aoe falloff on blue mode.
Media Tour potencies are always wack af. I expect them to change
it's so selfish it forgot to heal or shield even itself. It will likely be the king of damage actually, so I wouldn't be surprised if it truly does that.
It will probably heal a lot with Bloodbath
Selfish Dps with a gcd speed of a ninja/monk? Dancer is gona love viper XD
Seems faster than ninja unfortunately
@@Ark_Nether I think it's slightly faster animations but also flashier which makes it look faster but it's prolly' not that much faster tbh.
As soon as we start to call Viper "Assassin", the happier we will be XD Lets not feed Yoshi P's crazy ideas for names
@@JorgeXY Well, Yoshi P already avoided using the Thief as the natural progression from Rogue, instead opting for Ninja, because he felt that the WoL being a "Thief" was wrong and not something the WoL would ever do. I get the feeling he feels the same way about "Assassin".
As a dancer main, you're not wrong XD
After about 2 years time to dust off and get back into the grind with this new job!
Appreciate the breakdown of Viper. It doesn't seem like a class for me but I have several friends that are rather excited for it.
feels a lot like samurai 2 with rpr being the main design inspiration
Honestly seeing Viper and Pictomancer made me realize that basically all old jobs are in dire need of a full rework and even Reaper feels outdated already.
honestly feels a lot like old monk to me
Imo its the shift from 60 to 40 second windows. Surprised more jobs didn't follow suit.
Follow the dotted line ............
Is this going to be the new Stand & Let Thing Resolve ?
I really like viper, I am thinking of doing the main story with it, looks fun to play.
This job is going to take some trial and error to set on controller hotbar to get the flow down.
Loving the playstyle, though if I'm being honest MNK is also looking tempting again. Having an AOE heal may make it valuable in progs.
I imagine most controller players will be using the pvp style combo system they are adding. I personally cannot wait to play piano on my keyboard with this job.
So basically monk, reaper, ninja and samurai into one! Yayyy
Dragoon… huh thanks.
And GNB
@@crosssquirrel4293 ;)
Reawaken only coming on at 90 hurts so much. I felt like reaper had nothing to do until 80, and getting roulette as low as 70 felt bad. I worry viper will feel boring until 90 with this in mind?
Ya should have had a nerfed version at 70 or 80
So for what I understand, it has like almost all skills doubled, one for Left and one for right? If I didn't count wrong looks like we should have enought space, for the people who plays with pad, to put all the Left skills on the Left trigger and the right skills on the right trigger. For me it's very usefull to divide skills like this, I do it with BLM (all Fire Skills to the R, all ice to the L) or with RDM (black magic in Right side and White magic in the left).
I will try to main this with my Lalafel, i hope i don't lose the track of my little dude with all this lights and movements lol. Really considering using FINALLY a phantasya to change race since 1.0 but I am kinda attached to my little guy.
Wow seems really simplistic
i'm looking for a easy / less button job - would you say this might be a good fit?
So they put all the cut elements of other jobs into Viper? I am here for it, looks so fun and fluid. Not sure if I’ll switch off Ninja for it but hey, don’t really need to thanks to the shared gear.
Oh boy, I'm gonna see a LOT of Kirito rps
These ability names are a mouthful, my word.
It’s pretty awesome that they named an action after me
As someone who is still playing through the MSQ (Just finished SHB), and did almost all of that on Samurai, I am now finding out that it was a very bad idea to not switch jobs because man I am confused. Not gonna give up trying to learn this though!
So I got a ton of weapon and gear crates unopened saving them to open as a viper has that worked in the past or can it only be older class weapons
Viper feels like a strange love child of reaper, samurai and gunbreaker. The big gauge spender to enter turbo mode, the buff (and debuff) combo maintenance from branching combos and a huge number of ogcd weaving for follow ups to attacks. Even their ranged combo feels like an inversion of what Red Mage has for their melee combo, although I guess it doesn’t have a gauge cost.
I just realized there's one thing the flashing lights don't tell you...which positional is coming up 😂
something that seems to not be mentioned anywhere i look, are vipers 1 2 3 combos able to be separated? instead if having 2 buttons that change? the changing buttons confuse the shit outa me...
Pretty sure I read that 7.0 was adding an option to enable or disable skills becoming other skills so you can have them all seperate.
Splitting them would be a nightmare. Technically there are 4 dual wield combos.
Actually I use the dancer job guage for dancing
Same. I never looked at dotted lines lol. Look at the order and use the hit sound to know when to press next button. Otherwise it's back to focusing on looking at and calling mechanics
Looks really cool. I wont be playing it but its flashy and I think I have a few friends who like its fast paced nature
Basically Reaper 2.0 but busier, not complaining tho as i already liked Reaper.
I just made Reaper my melee dps for EW and now DT has RPR asking "How quickly you betray me. Did our time together mean nothing?!!!"
Sounds a lot like a DNC, but with alternate actions depending on what you get.
Finally, a class for my unga bonga brain to always push a button
LOL I'm glad I'm not the only one that had this thought.
I think this will legit be my main now it’s so perfect lol
Have you guys tried Ninja?
@@RED_XLR : I tried running it in some savages during the second tier of raids in EW and I just couldn't get around the mudras not bothering the hell out of me. Especially when they would bug out the GCD sometimes.
@@RED_XLR ninja is fun.... but the set up trick attack 20 seconds before buff window was frustrating in a lot of fights.... usually the ones where the bosses jump
If Hunter's Sting can become both Flanksting Strike and Hindsting Strike, what determines which it turns into the first time?
Like the Job but I'm immediately switching its Job Gauge to "Simple" mode as soon as I unlock it
Hi Mr happy im sorry if this is an irrelevant question but does viper have an out of combat spell (like an aoe for example or a buff) that can be used to put you in the combined sword stance? The reason im asking is for the when you’re in city states and want to idle with your swords combined as the dual blade
Can you unconsolidate the buttons? I don't want to just press 1-2 over and over for my filler.
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10:50 going forward, we might have less time to look at our hot bars due to an increes of marker attacks.
Sounds like Vpr has a bit of everything the other Melee gang has / had + some Ranged and Caster, Mnk / Drg / Rpr's positionals, Mnk / Sam / Nin's Haste and Dmg buffs, Rpr's Enshroud burst, and then Mch / Dnc's procs, and Rdm's Melee combo kinda... all it's missing is a DoT, but I can get why the devs are trying to move away from those.
Looks fun to play so far especially with Left / Right blade mechs, and can finally have a class to match an Assassin's Creed glam moreso than Nin. Hope the melee job designs take some cues (or get some of their old stuff back in different forms, Mnk lost their positionals and buffs for this? WTF) for fun job mechanics in 8.0, copium
Will prob lvl it last since there'll be way too many Vprs for a while
Curious how it'll work with controler. Ninja is already a finger dance
first through fourth generation is literally just Starburst Stream from Kirito in SAO
I'm reeeeaaally hoping they'll give us the option to dissociate the 2 main combos buttons into 123's, it would help a lot to get a feel for the job. It's weird to me that they did it like this in the first place, since the stacking/transforming buttons system doesn't even allow it for the rest of the jobs (from what i understand)
the gunbreaker of DPS
Would Reawaken interrupt Dreadwinder's combo?
I've tried to play this at least 3 times today and I just DON'T GET IT.
I'll be honest, I'm still confused. It'll probably make more sense when I can press the buttons myself, though as a controller player my brain is short circuiting trying to visualise how to place the skills on my cross hotbar. Especially if I want to avoid putting instant skills on the d-pad so I can still move and use them at the same time.
Definitely glad they added the pvp style combos on a single button, that's for sure.
Going to be Reaper or Viper for my melee dps of choice as this won’t be my raid job it will be what everyone feels more fun to me!
I guarantee you they will change the dot on Dread Fangs just like they did for the other dps
it looks cool, definitely gonna be my brain-off job
Anyone else feel like this is old monk and reaper combined into one job? lol
that's 100% my thought.... and as someone who LOVED old monk and isn't so sure on new monk, a change of job looks to be in order.
My two mains in one so I'm excited, for sure jumping ship to vpr
Im playing through the msq. If I stop the story at 80 then wait for DT to come out can I continue the story with Viper or picto(since they start at 80)?
Yes
That is my rule for all DPS, follow the dotted line. If it is proced, use it.
There are very few classes where this works and even then ones like DNC you're supposed to NOT use it and wait for the 2m buffs to use them....
Making a class called viper without a Dot is wild.
I imagine the name comes more from the fact they are fast strikers, but I don't disagree lol
Still, glad to see DoTs are almost entirely a thing of the past.
@@ShiraMakesVideos Actually you are right it is based on a martial style
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_kung_fu
About high precision strikes when you least expect it.
@@ShiraMakesVideos the name is based in twin fangs as the swords or daggers
@@StriderZessei yes, unless the dot is like higanbana 1min long it becomes very unfun and frustrating to deal with it.
Thank god they removed that trashy self buff and 14sec dot on monk.
Kirito the class
Follow the dotted line
OUROBOROS... to be read in the RE5 Wesker voice each time.
It's looking like Viper is overall gauge positive, so Uncoiled Fury not giving gauge shouldn't be a problem I think.
I'm definitely going to play this as my off melee job as i really love twinblades and Zidane/Gabranth which it's clearly aping... but im also not really impressed. After learning ad hoc samurai and seeing real results from figuring out how each subsequent even and odd window is meant to go in fights i'm slightly miffed at a job that looks like you can get massive damage out of nothing.
Then again RPRs not a hard job and it's really strong too now. Oh well
Isn't that a combination of Reaper and Monk? You have your damage debuff, a damage buff and a speed buff.
I've seen a graph sort of show it as MNK stances for the combo routes + SAM buffs +t he last stance ends in different Gibbet/Gallows pairings. Enshroud/Hypercharge, with Mekiyo Shisui style set of skills that start up your buffs faster.
I am still not entirely sure when to actually switch to dual-blade or is that something that's just in the moves?
It's within the moves, you have Twinblade moves and dual sword moves. The opener will always start with the Twinblade single target as it's the fastest way to apply both buffs and deals more damage than the 1-4 combo
Follow the dotted line!
Wish it had a little more mastery than following the dotted line
Whole I intend to main this. I don't know how well it will translate to in game hard to take this over ninja. Should have had a party buff of some kind but whatever.
I'm just sad they didn't call "Reawaken" Trance lol
So, what you're saying is: "Viper is kind of 'hand-holdy' in terms of rotation and a bit one-note"? Good thing healer jobs got those buffs so the "unga-bunga Darth Maul dance partner targets" can take the top of the dps charts. Sounds fun though
The selfishness feels appropriate. No defense, no support, just constant and unrelenting attacks ripping the enemy apart.
In my time we called it "Gladiator"
I know you like the job Mr.Happy 😊
Your always hard on the jobs you feel like you might play next
But in the end you become a beast at it
Think I'll be sticking with Monk and Ninja. I suppose jobs like this have their place, but it'll be hard-pressed to hold the interest of vets-just like Reaper before it.
Its a damn shame there was no Zidane moves in this kit unless I missed some
I still the think awakened burst phase is a reference to trance. Definitely has that vibe.
One of the attacks makes you spin at the enemy just like Zidane's Grand Lethal in Dissidia, also the LB3 takes some notes from his EX Burst in 012 and the NT opening movie vs Exdeath.
For a Casual like me who's mainly here for the story, this class is going to be so much fun for me. I don't really care about being "optimal".
Hmm I'm worried it'll run into the same issue RPR had in Endwalker where when you're forced out of melee you won't have enough gauge to do a double or triple reawaken during the burst windows since their ranged abilities don't give gauge.
Reaper had that problem because it was resource negative for the entire of EW (literally full uptime would be less and less gauge every 2 minutes). Viper is the opposite, it's in the positive by 10 gauge every 2 minutes, so it's more than fine.
So the only real cooldowns Viper has to track are the 120s Serpent's Ire to add 1 Rattling Coil and the 40s twinblade weaponskill combo starter (I'm not really counting Slither)? This job is going to take even less hotbar space than Reaper, and with how hard they're going in on consolidating actions into fewer buttons here, you can't even really mess up your combo. I'm not sure how I feel about this design philosophy for a job that's supposed to be a selfish DPS, it appears to be even easier to play than SAM even if you take positionals into account.
I think it’s safe to say we don’t need another melee DPS anytime soon.
We didn't need one this expansion either...
Watch there be another Melee Job in the next expansion anyways.
FOLLOW THE DOTTED LINED :p
six positionals. i'm in love
Can't say I'm ever a big fan of "follow the dotted line" mostly just because I'm blind af, and sometimes I can't see the damn dotted line.
Looks dope but the pauses kinda mess it up a little but the whole right and left blade thing sounds like it’s perfect for controller having them on the right r2 hotbar and l2 for left blade it would have been dope if the holsters where on your back crossed x
I always wanted there to be a speed demon in the game, monk and ninja didnt do it for me and reaper was too edgy/magical for me so i didnt like the fantasy there either, this will be one if not my favorite job to play this expansion
.... how the hell am I supposed to fit all that on to a controller setup!?
am i blind or viper doesnt have any self mit??
Nope
FOLLOW THE DOTTED LINE
Love that it's a selfish DPS. If I wanted to play support I'd roll a support class; I'm here to kill shit.
@__@ This seems like a lot to me but I'm sure that once I pick it up it'll feel easier to maintain.
Looking forward to main the class but now having no defense and no raid buff it’s a tough spot in pf vs samurai who already established and at least have third eye idk viper needs to be the strongest dps in order to survive in this economy it’s almost came out unfished imo or they didn’t know what else to add to melee to make it different we could’ve had a unique version of trick maybe one boosting 1.5 damage the entire fight now just the flat buff like every 2 minutes but we will see how it goes
I was with Happy on this one at first, didn't really tell me much as job identity and it just looked like a potentially fun to learn/play job but that's it. However, the more I see coverage about it, the more I grow to like it; seems like a very min/max type of job, with lots of particular nuances and options to optimize your rotations. I'll be looking forward to it and will definitely give it a fair chance, I do like the overall fast paced rogue aesthetic and it's a nice contrast with the other Scouting job for sure.
Viper is flashy and stylish, but... Introducing a new DPS that a bunch of people will be trying out without a personal defensive seems ripe for floor tanking.
so.... dragoon? :P
I mean they'll still have second wind, feint, and whatever the hell the life steal ability is called, but the people you referring to wouldn't be hitting those anyways. Healers stay strong🙏🏿
there is nothing in non savage+ content that can kill you unless you are constantly face tanking everything boss throws at you. Dragoon was fine without any personal shield, Viper will be too
With the insane amount of damage it'll be by far the best user of Bloodbath so that's something
lets be real, anyone who knows how to play the game are not going to have that much of a problem, the people who will be tanking the floor will have been tanking it anyway. a new job and its defensives wont change that lol
Crazy to me that we're actually getting proper dual wield for once instead of just animations. Like if I followed the explanation correctly, we'll have combos and actions for the left sword and right sword. That's pretty neat mechanically.
Well.. I am moving from healer to melee dps, so it will be great for me to have an "easy do understand" job to play as.
But considering how you just follow the doted line, you really have no room to make mistakes and it can get to a point of, are we really playing a MMORPG game or are we just player a fancy version of whac-a-mole? Not far from a press a button to damage class lol
But well, I am a WHM main and it will be my first time commiting to a dps on a mmo so... it will be great for me as an introductory class lol
I always feel haste > dmg I have the need for speed
Purely selfish dps kinda surprises me. Hopefully they stack up well against blm and sam. Either way, I'm stoked for viper. They literally made this job for unga bunga players like me who always felt ffxiv's combat was just a tad bit too slow.
Ripping out a mechanic from Reaper for the brand new job is possibly the laziest thing they’ve done in a long time lol
This is how i felt for a while, but im sure there'll be some interesting lore for Viper's version. It cant be that empty a mechanic
Viper feels like a true max/min style of job. If played at perfect efficiency, I imagine it does the most DPS.
Follow the dotted line!
Why would you imagine this? The classes that do the most DPS are simply the ones with the least team buffs for balancing reasons.
The gap between the skill floor and skill ceiling has to do with saving oGCD's for 2m and not messing up the rotation. I don't see why this class has more of this than others...
Its just as selfish sam because it brings nothing but itself to the team@gerfe2
What?.. the job literally is holding your hand through playing it. How could anyone take away that this is a highly optimizable job.
@@Exaltableim looking at this comment section and it seems like a lot of people just dont get how (melee) dps jobs work so understanding what actual optimization means is out of the question
Am I the only one that did not understood anything?
"Follow the dotted lines."
"Instructions unclear, followed the yellow bricked road instead."