How Indie Animation CHALLENGES The Industry
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The animation industry is currently in disarray. Massive layoffs, movies and shows being cancelled, tax write-offs, union struggles and of course the arrival of AI which threatens jobs across the board. However, there is hope: indie animation. It's currently blowing up but why? Let's find out
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STOP! WE DON'T NEED THESE LONG-ASS INTERRUPTIONS!
@@efb1995aww such a caring “consumer” lol
Why are ya'll so mean? hes just trying to make some easy money??? like, just simply skip over it if you dont want it???
Bro forgot hazbin hotel 💀💀💀
I definitely support indie developers. Because unlike the studio to only care about money. The people who work in indie development actually care about their work.
My farts are better than Saberfart’s farts 💨
yea, all that disney stuff is just trying to get more money and they dont appreciate what the audience wants. Really shows it for wish as its got all the cliche kid movie tempo
Same
Saberspark did not clean up comments section full of bots
This 😭
Also why so many bots ongggg
The fact that random teens create their own animated shows with low budgets and lots of effort and actually rivaling big companies is crazy 😭
@UTTPisBetterThanDannoCalme when punctuation
DUUUUDE, SERIOUSLY!!! When are you going to watch Mech-West????
I am NOT letting this one go!!!!
It is pretty amazing honestly
Literally!!
@@Rekuzan FELLOW MECH-WEST FAN LES GO??
Tweeners are animation's bass guitarist: nobody notices when they do a good job, but they get clowned on when they are even a little bit bad
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DUUUUDE, SERIOUSLY!!! When are you going to watch Mech-West????
I am NOT letting this one go!!!!
Sooo exactly like backend dev? Wecome to the "did a good job if nobody complains" team.
Always look at the bass player when clapping. Jaiden recommends
That awkward moment a new indie cartoon becomes more successful than a film that was supposed to celebrate Disney's 100th Anniversary
Hazbin Hotel is Wish but done so much better songs writing animation characters etc:
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@UTTPisBetterThanDannoCal ayo?
@@Yulom_ova It’s a bot. Ignore it.
@UTTPisBetterThanDannoCal no...Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo THEY HAVE SPREAD TO SABERSPARK!!! DUCK AND COVER!!!!!
Indie Animation has become a force these past few years while not all of them get the spotlight they deserve ( cough*Monkey Wrench) but Indie animation is making its mark from Hazbin to TADC there's no stopping it now. Long live Indie Animation!
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Not really the only decent animation and art is HH and Helluva the rest definitely look Indie but they match the typical shitty western art genre.
Hazbin became kinda mainstream in 2024
@@grimsonforce7504cringe weeb
@@grimsonforce7504 yall ever see such a godawful take it makes u wanna study the person's brain
There's a reason why more people are talking about stuff like Digital Circus, Helluva Boss, Lackadaisy, and indie animation in gerneral rather than the mass produced live action Disney remake slop that all bleeds in together.
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Well more people are talking about Disney but not in a positive light lol
Not gonna lie, I could actually see Disney trying to take jabs at indie animation with a joke in one of their future films, only for the joke to completely fall flat on its face.
Yeah. Yet, they never talk about the indie animated show “Loosey Goosey and Fried Chicken”.
DUUUUDE, SERIOUSLY!!! When are you going to watch Mech-West????
I am NOT letting this one go!!!!
Thank you for mentioning MonkeyWrench it deserves just as much love as Digital Circus and Helluva Boss.
@MalecUTTP your content is trash. It looks like a 5-year-old made it lmaooo 😂
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even the bots love Monkey Wrench
Hopefully this helps it.
@@aino-kaisav5504 or y'know, you can just report them for spam
Not gonna lie, I’m surprised there was no mention of Rooster Teeth. They were like the first truly in-house indie animation/multimedia studio that strictly produced for the web. While there were projects like Homestar Runner with a team behind it (Brothers Chaps), or outliers like John K’s weird George Liquor shorts, they weren’t a pro studio like Spumco and all their stuff was web-based. It’s even sadder considering they just shut down a few days ago.
Yup. If the company fully indie and left its corporate overlords, they could of saved themselves, and maybe opened up a gumroad, Patreon, SubscribeStar, etc accounts to sustain themselves instead.
I was also surprised at no mention of Monty Oum. Absolutely tragic what happened to him.
Big companies being allergic to new ideas is why indie animation is thriving. People are tired of constant sequels and live action remakes Disney…
Because every studio wants *every* release to be a billion dollar blockbuster. They’ve completely forgotten how to take risks on smaller $5-, $10-, and $20-million dollar projects.
i just saw a live action Frozen Trailer yesterday
@@DrDoom77976 Was it any good?
DUUUUDE, SERIOUSLY!!! When are you going to watch Mech-West????
I am NOT letting this one go!!!!
The problem is that even though we say we dont want it, social media people think of it still as this amazing thing and will never learn
I wish we could see the creativity of indie animation in the latest Disney movies, but instead they just release lackluster movies and unnecessary sequels...
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That’s how corporate entities operate they only do it for money.
Disney owns so many properties that they no longer have to take risks
*sequel
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The world of indie web animation really shows that the Internet gives animators and other artists more creative freedom to showcase their passion project than the animation industry would ever be.
Also, Lackadaisy is considered to be the veteran out of all the modern web series, considering that it started off as web comic back in 2006, aka the Wild West era of the Internet.
I feel bad for you with all these bots
DUUUUDE, SERIOUSLY!!! When are you going to watch Mech-West????
I am NOT letting this one go!!!!
@@Rekuzan Oh yeah I think I saw Mech-West pop up in my reccomended once, another show to keep my eye out for. But yeah many indie productions really deserve a greater spotlight! I myself am a big fan of Tales of Zale, and while its no slough, with the latest and most high quality short being close to 1 million views now, its still one that basically no one talks about. No mention in discussion videos, no reactions vids, nothing really.
I remember Lackadaisy from back in it's DA days. It's good to see it succeeding
Indie Animation is the reason why I haven't stopped creating art. Even though a lot of big companies are ruining their employees and shows by trying to cut jobs with AI and cutting funds on cartoons that need more time in the oven, I'm happy that the Indie Animation space is the exact opposite of that and has such a positive environment from what I've noticed. It gives me hope for the future of animation that more projects will be backed by people who actually loves to see projects reach their full potential no matter how crazy their idea might be while also still providing to their animators / teams. Also, thanks for mentioning Monkey Wrench. That show is extremely underrated.
With so much uncertainty in the corporate animation space, Independent animation really is the only way for good original animated shows to survive.
DUUUUDE, SERIOUSLY!!! When are you going to watch Mech-West????
I am NOT letting this one go!!!!
Ok but
The R A T B O Y G E N I U S
Check out Bravest Warriors, the show is legitimately great. And episodes from season 4 are getting released weekly on YT. But it hasn't been doing so hot since VRV shutdown, not that VRV ever really helped the series.
Is it the only way?
@@Stew91At this rate of corporations valuing quantity over quality and AI advancements, yes.
Most indie developers care about their craft and audiences. It's not just about money, it's about expressing themselves.
It's basically the early days of animation, before it became too corporate
What about...
The Legend of Captain Cat 101!
we’re basically going back to the woodworks 🙃
monkey wrench in the thumbnail, nice, its a criminally underrated show
Monkey Wrench 🔛🔝‼️🔥🔥‼️🔥🔥‼️
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digital circus and murder drones and lackadaisy and ramshackle are all so good, I haven’t seen monkey wrench yet but I have heard many good things. And while Hazbin is a “mainstream” show now, we can’t forget its indie roots and how the success of the pilot led to it getting picked up by A24 in the first place. Plus Helluva is indie still
Yea tru
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@@DYXAnimsYT Ignore the trolls who are attacking you and just report them
Oh my g☆d why are there so many
It was Prime, not A24.
The frustration in the pitch meetings is real. It's soul crushing. Now that I manage a production team, I've vowed to at least let my creators try things they wanna try.
Thanks for shouting out Monkey Wrench!! That series deserves SO much more love than the algorithm is giving it.
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Indie video games 🤝 Indie animations
- saving us from modern capitalism bullshit
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@UTTPisBetterThanDannoCal-also saving us (ig) from toddlers who've got 0/100 iq about different gens' likes and dislikes
@@KKFrit it's a bot...he spammed 5 times this shit
I agree, I think it’s way better when animators, writers, actors, and directors have control over the means of film production rather than the studio corporate executives.
DUUUUDE, SERIOUSLY!!! When are you going to watch Mech-West????
I am NOT letting this one go!!!!
I love how roots of GLITCH are in Luke's channel - SMG4, that kept going for over a decade and is hanging on till this day. And it's huge in fact.
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@@Zebra_fandomfella03 that's what I'm doing
Because of wildly popular SMG4 was and is, it acts a funnel for Indie animation funding... in essence, giving a corporate level of funding to organize Glitch better.
@@Pikaclev True, true. I have a feeling it's sometimes even their experimental field. Whether if it's for characters, stories, VAs etc.
I'm not watching their content after the controversy with Tari's voice actress, or the treatment of the characters of the main SMG4 series. I've been done with SMG4 for over a year now.
I’m just excited that other than _Amazing Digital Circus, Murder Drones_ and _Lackadaisy_ were getting more original Indie Animation projects through the likes _Port by the Sea_ and _Ramshackle_ cause lately every major studio has been canceling animated series projects left and right and doing "Tax-write offs".
I think most animators and creators should follow what Vivziepop and her crew are doing with _Helluva Boss_ and even gooseworx is doing for _Amazing Digital Circus_ where they stay independent as possible while the creators have more creative freedom and control without the restrictions and guidelines put on the highers up of the major studio. However if said project does get acquired by a major studio the creators of the show need to have creative freedom and control of the IP.
Yeah! And heck there are so many good projects out there. If I have to reccomend one myself, I'd say "Tales of Zale" by Sif Savery. That one is especially immaculate. And Sif is actually working on making it a full series, collaborating with a network and a professional studio, and the future does seem pretty bright for her series, at least for now.
What has Netflix been cancelling lately in terms of animation?
@@Stew91 A lot of animated originals that aren’t _Big Mouth_ or _Castlevania_ and cancelled for a Season or Two (e.g. Dead End, Inside Job) and let’s not forget Netflix also scrapped plans for a "Bone" animated series.
@@drdewott9154 That’s amazing and honestly I’m perfectly ok if Indie Animated series stays independent or gets picked by a studio but If an Indie Animated series gets picked up by a major studio I wish the studio gives the creators and animators creative control and freedom with the show.
Danny Antonucci who created _Ed, Edd n Eddy_ wanted to pitch the show to Nickelodeon but Nick wanted full control on it but Danny declined and took _Ed, Edd n Eddy_ to Cartoon Network and allowed Danny creative control and freedom for the show.
@@EChacon I feel like Netflix is a mixed bag. For every issues mentioned, they have also saved Nimona, allowed Arcane, have shows like Cyberpunk Edgerunners and the Scott Pilgrim anime, Dragon Prince, Blue Eyes Samurai, etc. Kind of feels like for every bad, there they do something right. The same can't be said for WB.
"Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave! With a box of scraps!" kinda sums up this whole thing. really great to see all the well-made and spectacular independent shows these days
As a dream animator in college right now, I appreciate this amazing history lesson. Indie Animation had some more history than I thought! Many people close to me believe Disney is my route whenever I speak of my major. Indie always stuck out to me. I HOPE it stays like this and I hope my luck increases once I enter the real world entirely.
All I am going to say is:
Shine on, you crazy diamond, and don't let others shoehorn your dreams into a corporate soul grinder.
Excited for you! Good luck. You can do this.
If you do work for Disney…don’t let them know about your stories. Do the work, collect your paycheck then work on the indie project on the side. Use them. Don’t sell your soul to them
crazy what happens when you don’t cancel a project after is shows it’s sucess
DUUUUDE, SERIOUSLY!!! When are you going to watch Mech-West????
I am NOT letting this one go!!!!
For those looking for underrated pieces of indie animation, here's a few recommendations.
-Monkey Wrench (by Zeural)
-Port by the Sea (by Geoman Whitman)
-Epithet Erased (by Jelloapocalypse)
-Vampair (by Daria Cohen)
-Jimmy and Baby (by Paul Robertson)
-GildedGuy
-Ena (by Joel G)
-Far Fetched (upcoming)
-The Lovers (by Studio Heartbreak, upcoming)
Meta Runner (by GLITCH studios, series completed)
-Atlas and the Stars (by Mirandamations)
-The Earth Guy (by Anindamated)
-Long Gone Gulch (by Lopside Animation)
-Pootis Engage and Pootis Engage: Extreme (by Ceno0)
-Satina (by Hannah Daigle)
-Hidari
-Tales of Alethrion
-Welcome to Showside (by Ian Mcginty)
-The Dark Harvest (by Roastedstix)
-Gwain Saga (by Geoexe)
-The Red Eclipse! (by Insane Incorperated)
-The Acorn Princess (by Tough Nut Studios)
-The Legend of Pipi (by papajoolia)
Feel free to add more in the replies. Indie animation forever!
I have seen Long Gone Gulch, Monkey Wrench and Port by the Sea before. They are pretty good.
What about “Loosey Goosey and Fried Chicken” from Slapworks Animation?
Is this an oppertunity to bring up No Evil by Betsy Lee i see?
Swag Chan (Major Bumsville, Luigi Epic Archive) is another good one; it looks like a cheap MS Paint thing at first glance, but it is hilarious in a lot of ways & later one there are some genuine heartfelt moments & even a couple of intense moments.
Allister and Melody is an upcoming one, it looks pretty cute and wholesome from what i've seen
Monkey Wrench in the thumbnail let's goo! (MW deserves more love) I'm excited for this wave of creativity of indie projects!
They've inspired me to make my own indie series on my channel. It's a lot of work (and I have no budget lol), but getting to just create whatever you want to create without interference is what's so great about indie. Keep it up, creators!
The story behind Undertale is really interesting. It was partner game that was like a test for a game that couldn't be fully realized yet. People loved it as it to an insane degree. It ended up developing such an overwhelmingly passionate fandom that not only could the game Toby Fox wanted to make all along could be made, but that fans would be devoted enough to wait for YEARS between chapters of the game being made and still willing to fund its realization in those years.
While non-indie animation does tend to have more issues, I am glad that we have stuff like Invincible, X-Men 97, Blue Eyed Samurai,Cyberpunk Edge Runner, the Scott Pilgrim anime, etc, showing what animation even outside of indie is capable of.
With all this BS happening at WB and other conglomerates, indie animation is what’s keeping much of the industry afloat right now IMO.
DUUUUDE, SERIOUSLY!!! When are you going to watch Mech-West????
I am NOT letting this one go!!!!
not exactly but I see what you mean.
ABOUT TIME YOU TALKED ABOUT MONKEY WRENCH!!!!!!!!
He's mentioned it a few times by now I think. But yeah, Monkey Wrench is a criminally underrated show and they need more money if we are ever going to see any fully animated episodes again. It's easily my favorite indie animated show out there.
I'm an animation student (I'm graduating soon) from Chile. The current state of the animation industry worldwide is really depressing. Feels quite depressing spending 6 years of my life studying an art just to be replaced by AI. In Latin America animation isn't even being taken seriously at all by corporations and governments, so where I live I barely have any chance of success.
My only spark of hope now, is to work for an indie studio or a small team (which won't be easy cuz we'll have a lot of competition).
Don't think of it as a competition. Think of the higher ups as just other options. Bc the entitled helluva boss fandom think that it's the only indie show. With glitch and their shows. So. If u make a pilot or a short 2d or 3d film. Like Edn̈ora. It's worth it if u have a awsome idea. Bc I have a crazy idea for a "pilot" but I'm losing motivation and I'm gonna get thrown back in school in like 3 weeks. (At the time of texting this)
Really, Indie stuff in general is nice. Animations, Games, and Comics too! So few corporations actually care about their fans, so a small Indie team allows fans to connect almost on a personal level.
As someone going indie himself, I agree that it’s time to fire up a revolution for independent projects. Not just with animation, but webcomics as well because they get adapted into media all the time like Invincible. Some of my favorite Webtoon comics include Da Yomanille Gang, Straylight Tiger, Señorita Cometa, Axed, Supersonic Girl, Outrage, Dinosaur Bones, Ape Yacht Kookies, Space Pack, and World in the Waves. For many indie artists, making an animated pilot just isn’t in the cards, but don’t let that stop you guys. Just make something you truly care about and other people will love too
Indie web comics have catered to niche interest and fringe topics for a long time. There were entire webrings dedicated to them back in the 90s. If anything, the revolution already happened 30+ years ago.
You got Indie Animation money?
It's like one of my favorite channels, Dead Sound, who does indie animation. he is a 1 person team who just started to use other musicians for his animations. Takes him months if not years to put stuff out but the quality and not wanting to sacrifice his art for speed, makes it worthwhile.
Bro’s really appreciates kids cartoon
I'm a fan of deadsound too, my favourite episode of dinosauria: ruclips.net/video/tamPoLLiEew/видео.html&si=Dh9UjGwc_sbKHmaJ
They are not kids cartoons, they have dark themes: ruclips.net/video/mVLrBJYGxk4/видео.html&si=_TqIw4mGdPY_8xht
not me being the single worker on my gamecade series (except for music, backgrounds, and sound design)
Wow that's interesting, how's the progress going
I knew I recognized your profile picture lol, nice to see ya here. Love your art/animations :)
True. Many projects do deserve so much more attention, including Gamercade. And hey, even just your small little skit animations are amazing, hillarous, and so unique stylistically! You're really a force to be reckoned with in your own right on the animation scene.
Make sure you're hydrating, getting plenty of rest, and adding some variety to your girl dinner so you stay healthy. I appreciate your efforts and keeping me and others entertained and look forward to supporting you as I'm able to. ' w'
I love your work so much!
SABERSPARK!!! PLEASE REVIVE YOUR INDIE ANIMATION SPOTLIGHT SEGMENT!!! THERE'S A WHOLE WEALTH OF SHOWS WAITING FOR YOUR ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!
Indies in general seem to be the future considering how out of control most 'AAA' projects are now, the demands of shareholders, and David Zaslav actively trying to kill WB and animation with his negative business literacy.
I feel bad for you imagine having all your replies just be bots seriously RUclips try to terminate these accounts I'll figure out who is making these they keep coming back
Right?! These bots are literally infesting this entire comment section. This is complete bullshit
@@livelybubbs6242 who is operating the who made them
DUUUUDE, SERIOUSLY!!! When are you going to watch Mech-West????
I am NOT letting this one go!!!!
@UTTPisBetterThanDannoCalGET THIS DRONE OUT OF THERE!!
I love the censorship in The Amazing Digital Circus because it's not just some silly words put in instead of swearing, or taking it out entirely (even cutting a scene), it just censors it in a funny way and takes from older ways of censorship when black bars were used to hide things and bleeps to cover the sound. It makes it so the audience knows what they would be saying without actually saying it.
What I like is that it's clearly a show that can appeal to kids too, but like a lot of older kids animation, it had a lof of "Crap Gets Past the Radar" moments that older audiences will find funny as well as doesn't beat around the bush when it comes to darker or deeper themes like existentialism or finding purpose.
Thank you for also including Monkey Wrench! I’ve been following the creator since the early 2000/2010s (back during one of the… idk what to call it. Animated fight tournament?) so I really hope more people will watch Zeurel’s series too!
The main problem i see in the "indie" scene is that there's too much trying to replicate not only TV pipelines but also budgets and visual fidelity. I think creators should take feasibility into account when coming up with a style for a project. There are TONS of creative ways to save time and therefore money (cut-outs, live action elements, photos as backgrounds, limited animation, etc.). In some sense, Hazbin and all this stuff has kinda set a dangerous precedent of what is perceived as "indie". It is kinda telling that not so long ago, when there were more technological restrictions, there was also more output (e.g. Newgrounds). But nevertheless, i wish every project all the best.
:0 SOMEONE FINALLY MENTIONED META RUNNER! Glitch always know how to make content and improve upon their past work!
I feel like that show always get left out when people talk about Murder Drones and The amazing digital circus i get theyre both very new and still ongoing. But its nice someone talked about meta runner.
I love all the indie shows getting spotlight.
I just hope that the big companies do take note of this and could learn from this.
Its so cool seeing all these creative people and it inspires me as an artist to keep drawing.
Hazbin Hotel is one of the shows that i think proved the big companies that it is possible to do anything. Hazbin Hotel to me was a very unique idea in their story.
I hope this made sense to you.
Monkey Wrench mention!!! You should do a full video on it. It’s highly underrated and deserves more love!
Someday, I want to create an indie animated series. I already have a main idea and story in mind, I just have to do the hard part: Learn animation
WILL ALL OF YOU BOTS JUST SHUT UP!
So am I lol, wish you luck
@@Scenario_animations you too 🙂
Best of luck to you! You can come really far with passion!
@@aninamated3984 Thanks! I really hope I can get my story out into the world!
People really need to give Monkey Wrench more attention
Thanks for reminding me I should finish watching it
And Metal Family
The hazbin hotel and Lacksdaisy pilots are the two best pilots to remind people what made people love the animation in Disney renaissance movies and cartoons and 2000’s cartoons in general. Plus the writing and some visual gags from clever and passionate writers.🥰
So glad that Saberspark mentioned Monkey Wrench and yeah that masterpiece is so underrated, need more attention. They're still doing the 4th eps. Maybe in some other time Saberspark need to review it.
I personally don't think the mega-corpses will ever admit they are starting to be beat by a bunch of individuals and smaller studios since that would mean the executives would have to admit they are making wrong decisions.
And being wrong means a smaller golden parachute when the boat sinks.
I’m a minor trying to make my own animated series. I don’t have money, but I have friends who want to help me make this series possible! So we are all trying to make this series without money, which is possible, but it’s a lot of work. Don’t get me wrong, I really wish I could pay my friends, I just don’t have a job yet. I haven’t started animating it the series yet, just making all the scripts during the summer. Animation and voice acting process should be starting in late august if everything goes according to plan. I love indie animation, and I have so much passion for this project and desperately hope it works out! Thank you Saber for supporting all the indie animators out there. I love how passionate the community is! ❤️
Good luck!
@@Asm0d3u5 thank you! :)
@@3t0rmvimaybe you should try something smaller first like a webcomic. An animation project seems too much for someone you're age. no offence.
YO, I was wishing you to do a video something like this. Thanks man!
My farts are better than Saberspark’s farts 💨
If anyone out there has dreams of making an animated series (there's a lot of us out there, I know it!), please pay attention to your limitations and focus on building an audience. I have spent many years trying to get an idea off the ground and it's finally starting to bear fruit, but save yourself the stress and lack of direction and plan things out.
Amazing video Saber, I really thank you for such a deep dive into indie animation.
670 WHAT?! That is illegal! Minimum wages are set to accommodate the cheapest living spaces. As far as I know, you need $1,000 a month or more to live ANY FREAKING WHERE IN AMERICA less you stay with family or friends. That is a literal requirement for surviving on you're own!
What would you take?
Option 1: amazing and talented people trying to make their dreams and passion projects happen without the struggle of the corporate system
Option 2: corporate people who only care about how much money is in their wallet while also making streaming services to only have a majority of their shows last 2 seasons
Looks like Thomas the Tank engine is here, because I’m choosing Number 1!
I'm pretty sure Option 2 is still viable for some... Some as in the weirdos who like Mulan but hate Mushu, like Stitch but hate watercolor animation, etc.
Option 3: Pretty Freekin Scary/Liv & Maddie.
Thank you so much for boosting both Heathens and Lackadaisy!!! Working on music for them is a blast and it’s always amazing seeing them get some shoutouts! 💙💙💙
Tbh not just animation, but the indie entertainment scene has really been crazy good too. Things like dropout rising from CollegeHumor’s ashes with amazing shows, or Starkid raising almost 530k for their next musical (Cinderella’s castle, it’s going to have some CRAZY puppets). It’s all been great to see things people are passionate about keep going and make amazing content.
FINALLY someone mentions Monkey Wrench. The others are great but MW is my fave by far.
I think a great way to see the contrast between Indie and Industry animation is just by the difference between Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss. Now I love both shows, but with them we can see how a lot of times companies don’t give creators enough time to tell their stories, in the last couple years the standard episode count of an animated show went from 20ish to 8, just 8 so to the length of the average season is less than half of what they used to be. So Hazbin Hotel got that 8 episode at mente and I’ll say they used up every minute they had to tell their story but then you put that against Helluva Boss and all Indie projects who don’t have constraints on their episode count, so as long as their able to keep their audience engaged and tell a good story they can make their seasons as long as needed. I hate the 8 episodes for streaming norm, it’s destroying storytelling and people’s patience, people attention spans are getting shorter I can see it from comments people make about some of the shows I watch, but indie animation actually helps us to have patience and wait for the next episode, the months between now episodes (though a bit annoying) let us get together to theorize, built up hype, re watch the previous episodes and actually analyze them. With the fast paced shows of streaming a lot of times we just watch it all at once so a lot of hints and details get overlooked so rewatching each episode allows us to catch all the little details and characterization just though the lines the characters say.
Hopefully there's more episodes in season 2 sicne the show is so popular
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100% agree I wish they could go back to 20-26 episodes being the norm at least
@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od I doubt they'll up the episode count. The reason the story feels so poorly paced in the first season is that the team weren't told they were getting a second season until post-production. They had to make a cohesive story with an ending. The executives didn't care that eight episodes wasn't enough time to do that effectively. However since the massive success of the show it's likely that we'll get more thought out seasons with room to grow moving forward.
I would love to see youtubers cover individual indie projects, not only it would help spotlight said projects, but it would also give some of us something to check out that would probably go unnoticed otherwise
The best thing about Indie Animation is that anyone can become a creator. All you need is passion and patience to craft a story. You don't even have to be a story writer there's a bunch of things to do in the Indie Industry!
It makes me so happy to know that indie animation is ruling the entertainment industry and thriving with the creative freedom to do your own work without any restrictions from a big time Hollywood studio.
The biggest tragedy in terms of indie animation is Richard Williams. He was an award-winning and respected animator. When he was alive, he was considered the best in the world. Yet, his pet project spent decades of personal funding and when he got it picked up by a studio to finish it, they dropped him and did it on their own. Only recently has "The Thief and the Cobbler" been restored to William's vision posthumously.
he kinda was toxic to his own staff though...
Independent animation is needed the same way Don Bluth animation helped challenge Disney’s animation in the 1980s. Because animation needs to have more creative freedom, especially when Disney bought Pixar, Marvel, Lucasfilm, and 20th Century Fox, and the animation industry took a severe blow because there was far less competition. The animation industry in Hollywood has stagnated, even rivals like Warner Bros, Dreamworks, Sony Pictures Animation aren’t making much original animated movies.
I always thought DreamWorks should start making PG-13 animated movies that take darker and relatable routes for the audience.
@@jasimawwad9612 if they make PG-13 animated movies, they have to be like the live action PG movies from the 1980s.
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That was my favorite part of Olan's video! "Dare to fail!" I'm glad you included it!
“Murder drones sounds so violent, why not meta drones” umm I think that’s when they noticed that they had no idea why they were dealing with this after hearing that line, cause there’s a reason why it’s called “murder drones”, cause there are literal killer robots
lol yeah
Plus, you be shock the amount of violent and gore censor you can pass by becuase it all happen to robots and not humans.....
@@syabilaazri7834 Welll episode 8 says otherwise, like look what happen to Tressa
Also nice to see this being (as far as I can tell) the closest video we will get about murder drones
I always wanted to be an animator in my youth. But then I saw an episode of Tiny Toones that made fun of the gruling conditions of the job. Buster is literally banging a drum like he's on a slave rowing ship screaming "Faster! Cheaper!". One of the other toons walks up to him like Tiny Tim in Christmas Carol pleading for more money. Buster screams "More money!?" and viciously attacks him.
I gave away all my art books to the local library and never considered the career again. Because here's the thing. It's only funny if there's sn underlining truth to it.
18:15 EDDSWORLD MENTION!! GOD THIS BROUGHT ME BACK
Edd Gould was a pioneer 🎉
I know that the industry hasn't been entirely making bad stuff recently (mainly with Universal [Puss in Boots 2, the Mario Movie, FNaF, Oppenheimer]), but at least it's great to see indies taking the spotlight and hope that some of the people in the industry eventually take notes from the indies and slip in more good stuff to balance out the bad stuff.
The Mario Movie ain't that bad though... I liked it. But then again, i'm a huge Nintendo nut.
oh yeah if you said that the industry hasn't do anything bad then what about the japanese industries and that comment that said: "Neglecting anime is what got us that horrible AI zombie movie and allowed grifting weebs to run rampant. The zombie movie that's set to release IN THEATRES is the result of this negligence of this one hypocritical mangaka who wrote Negima, who became a politician. You think that would be a good thing? WRONG. The Boy and The Dog was a warning shot knowing the strat was to anthromorphosize AI, and a tech demo to show what it can do. It's an affront to life itself."?!
In my honest opinion, especially after the success of The Fall Guy, Universal is the only studio that's doing good today (Except for Kung Fu Panda 4 and Ruby Gillian, but the Wild Robot might fix that).
and what do you mean?
These companies wont understood that television is dying. They keep cancelling shows that dont get enough viewers upon tv airing, while they get plenty more once it's moved to streaming.
I really appreciate bringing up the most tricky side of making a animated series online or even pilot. As a lot of the time it's not what it seems and luck plays so much into this and you gotta know what your doing or else everything will fall apart around if your not careful especially when it comes to paying your animators and everyone else too.
Speaking of indie animation projects are you going to review Punked Pooch? 🐶🐺
Reddit got people rooting for this show on the Saberspark tag
The whiplash of seeing Saber talk about Undertale and showing clips of FNAF and Pokémon is crazy
EDIT, wanted to talk about this:
With the deadlines and such, Scarlet and Violet is a fantastic example of a game tainted by the deadlines.
Its story is great, probably one of the best games I’ve played- but.. It was a glitchy mess with low frame rates which grew annoying after a while. It could’ve been amazing, it could be one of the best games, if not for the harsh deadlines.
TLDR:
Pokémon Scarlet and Violet could’ve been amazing if not for deadlines.
Corporate Greed is the caused of animation grief and I hope Indie Animation saving the problematic issues especially layoffs, production issues especially big shots like David Z becoming a bad guy. I hope animation can be saved with good style by you cartoonists everywhere to help us seeing great animation again like from the 1980s and the 1990s. Great vid as usual, Saberspark.
As an upcoming indie animator, seeing so many stories being told is very encouraging for me. I love indie animation and i hope it continue to grow!!
Dude!! MONKEY WRENCH!!! I admit have not watched the vid yet but seeing that particular animation on the thumbnail makes me so happy. Iv been hopeing Saberspark would mention them at some point. The words gotta get out! I know there prob others I have not seen that are even less acknowledged that's why I try to watch and suport the ones I come across. But idk there something personally super special about Monkey Wrench cant quiet but my finger on it but whoooo! 🎉
I’m going to confess to a dream of mine. Seeing the success of all of these wonderful indie creators inspires me to create my own indie animated series in the future. I’ve had plenty of ideas for animated series in mind and a majority of them are all sci-fi based. My dream is too one day become a successful indie animator so that I could tell my own stories my way just like these people. I want to bring respect back to animation and make the things that Hollywood refuses to create, that’s what I’m going to school for! To one day become a successful animator! Thanks for the inspiration SaberSpark!
I’ve been seeing a lot more indie animation projects become popular!! it’s great to see.
My farts are better than Saberfart’s farts 💨
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Yeah recently a trailer for a indie project like Dungeon flippers came up. Then the first episode of an indie animation called Celine and Cheswick.
I stg the animation industry is on the verge going on strike with everything going on. I think the only reason they haven't is because their current contract hasn't exspired yet. I'm just hoping they get as much support as the writers and actors did when they went on strike. Every animation fan has heard the horror stories that big studio animators and vfx artists have to go through. They deserve to be treated better.
Hey Saber! Since you already touched the Spanish side of animation, I'd like you to speak about this indie project called "Destripando la Historia". It's a series of music videos about history, fairytales and ancient gods! It has a big fandom and even the guitarist of DragonForce talked about it because every song references popular music... Just to know 👀
As a novice 3D animator, I feel pride in my work when I get even 100 views. I think it's really important to have creative control over your projects.
Very true!!!
I AM SOOOO HAPPY U TALKED ABOUT OLAN'S STORY AND FINAL SPACE!! Final space means a great deal to me, it literally saved me in 2021, and when it was cancelled we were all so fucking devastated. Olan's story is so important for everyone to hear and why execs fuckin suuuuck♡♡
the problem is when basically it becomes oversaturated. because basically it seems some indie animations seem to ride the coat tails of other popular indie animations
This, It seems like we’re getting a lot of repeats, especially with the whole hell setting with demon characters. The amount of indie animations we hear about is the tiniest bit of all the failed indie shows that exist.
To paraphrase Syndrome: when everybody is indie, no one is.
@@BigK13372 yep
this happens in the industry all the time really, its jot just an indie scene problem
This at least gives me confidence and hope, after hearing all of the horror stories of greedy execs cutting animated shows and movies for a cheap buck, laying off animators, etc, that the spirit of creativity will thrive in the indie space. It does have hurtles to overcome, sure, but fighting those challenges head on is worth preserving artistic integrity, and telling great stories. I have no doubt that indie animation has a bright future, and will do everything I have to support it.
You can apply the same topic to what’s going on with the videogame industry as well
IM SO GLAD MONKEY WRENCHES IF FINALLY GETTING THE RECOGNITION IT DESERVES!!!
The problem with corporate animation is these are out of touch greedy studios run by business men who only see animation/video games as a product, not art
I mean this just business 101
That is true but the problem is how companies screw over their animators and game devs and rush out things just to make a quick buck
Big Studios are heavilly moderated to the point that they don't had Creativity freedom left.
Saberspark How dare you talk about indie animation without mentioning the GOAT that is GILDEDGUY. Hes a stick figure animator who makes some hype ass animation he recently released his new addition to the story which is his biggest one yet. I highly recommend it.
24:49 oh my God, it’s the epilogue of endings-
The warnings there go for any type of production, not just animation. Next month, a Kickstarter-funded pilot reel for a live-action movie is supposed to get released, with the hopes of securing sponsors and distributors. The IP in question for this pilot is Getter Robo, an IP with no less than six cartoon series, a dozen manga, and lots of assorted merchandise between it. But the system is such that they needed to make a test pilot to sell sponsors on the idea.
I LOVE MONKEY WRENCH more ppl need to support it really
Finally someone mentions Monkey Wrench
RIP Edd. Their channel was one of the first that introduced me to indie animation on the web in 2000s
Also the shoutout to Meatcanyon
Gonna finish watching this later but I LOVE your highlight of this.
With tools now being so accessible, it's amazing to see how indie animators and filmmakers are able to visualize their stories. I'm working on building my channel into one of these 'creator studio' type of things and this video is extremely encouraging.
Thanks you feel the same way. Indy productions give us hope for the future and the stuff we like.
I got jumpscared seeing LADS show up near the end. I was genuinely not expecting that haha. I'm glad to see it be included in an indie animation discussion. It was also great to see Monkey Wrench get so much love. I'm an animator for it and the overall vibe of the team is one of pure passion and excitement. The show really is a figurehead for everything great about indie animation.
Did you see the Pilot episode for Punk'd Pooch yet?
My girlfriend had a pet blue heeler. She loves Bluey the show. We have not watched it together, but I would love to watch it with her.😊
I remember reading years ago a comment somewhere on youtube (or perhaps it was some video or another I was watching) that indie animation wasn't as popular as indie games, because unlike games, which had already become stale under the traditional industry, animation was still thriving, and until animation had become stale from it's own industry, indie animation would never become popular.
Well done, random youtube-goer from so many years ago, wherever and whoever you are, for calling it back then.
Great vid my boy!
At this rate, Adult Animations like Animan Studios prove that, despite the graphic nature. They know their finding success via new forms of audience.
Wait.. what 🤨