When someone wants to use firearms in your D&D games, what do you do? Leave your answer in the comments below. Next video I'll be covering the Vanquisher subclass.
If only gunslinger was a ranger subclass... No one dared to ask him questions, no one dared to make a slip, for the stranger there among them had a Big Iron on his hip, big iron on his hip.
I'm playing a Goblin Gunslinger in Ghosts of Saltmarsh. It's been a lot of fun so far. Edit: Oh, man. The Arcane Archer would be so vastly improved just by adding in a refresh for their Arcane Shot ability like the Gunslinger gets. Also, I think the abilities being tied to Wisdom makes sense, since that's what skills like Perception run off of. It makes sense to tie it to your shooting ability.
My gunslinger has a couple of levels of forge cleric and it has been so much more effective in the game. The spells give you more options in battle as well as utility and the channel divinity of the forge cleric let's you fashion a hunk of metal into armor, weapons or ammunition. So many opportunities!
I've had characters express interest in firearms before but never seriously try and pursue the idea, and I've always had the same response. "Firearms are a new invention in my world, and still pretty rare. If you want to go on a quest to obtain one, you absolutely can, but it will take some work on your part". Nobody has ever followed up on the idea. Too bad, because I have this really fun concept for a sidequest to conquer an island of monkeys given intelligence by cursed bands of intellect controlled by a mindflayer and forced to act as pirates with cannons and pistols and everything controlled from a remote island fortress, and if you succeed you can take over the monkey gunpowder castle and all the production facilities and such.
As a person who allowed gunslinger on the table .BE VERY VARY. It's not balanced by a large mile and needs a lot of fixing. There is a reason it's not in the official books. Do it at your own risk.
@@hauz287 Nobody has ever asked me to play a gunslinger fighter, they were playing other classes and subclasses and were interested in firearms to complement other builds.But yes I'm as careful with that kind of stuff as I am with any trusted homebrew or 3rd party content I allow or use at my table: trust but verify, and be open to changing things mid campaign if it isn't working.
Why would a character pursue a weapon type that they are not likely to know the existence of furthermore it makes the players feel like they are metagaming
@@theoldkobold Rumors travel. Merchants, sailors, pilgrims, that sort of thing carry rumors with them. Someone far away but not on the other side of the world invents a new wonderous weapon that produces huge smoke and fire and can kill a man in armor in a single shot all without magic? That's a story that's going to spread. And D&D Characters often interact with wanderers and travelers becaues of their profession. It's entirely reasonable that they would have heard these rumors. Whether they believe any part of them or follow up is up to them and their characterization.
Knights and guns existed at the same time, personally I just flavor the weapons to be thematic of the kind of era my campaigns are based on, Spelljammer has lasers, Forgotten realms has single shot guns like muskets, eberron has revolvers and such.
I'm not sure how I'm just finding your channel, but I'm now starting to binge all your videos! Super entertaining and genuinely good content! Can't wait for more videos! Thank you!
4:22 for grit point regeneration winging shot would be a nice tactical setup not letting an enemy get away (greater the distance/ more dramatic) or sniper bait setup dropping an enemy in the open with no to limited cover/ clear firing lines to pick off any one that comes to help 5:31 You kids ever heard of Gene Starwind? He was a bit of an outlaw among the stars when I was kid. He had a really nice piece, a real rarity. Even more rare than that weapon itself was the ammo it used. When magic started drying up a few wizards started preparing spells in advance & sealed until a time was needed & a source to draw energy from wasn’t available.
Simple/advanced rules: Simple: use the stats for bows as guns, hand waive away the production of black powder . Advanced: guns roll 3x the damage dice of the bow they’re based of, but each attack roll is also a misfire check. On a misfire, you roll for damage against yourself, taking half the normal weapon damage as fire damage from the explosion, and rendering the gun unusable. Reloading takes a main action, as does a shot, so you must action surge to do both. You can have multiple guns to use Multiattack, like a pirate being strapped with 4 flintlocks on his vest. The risks balance out the power. (I also skip over the fine details about ranges being much more limited for flintlocks and leave the procurement of bullets and powder to RP stuff if people even care for it)
Yeah. I do not agree. First of 1d12 is enough damage. There is no point to deal 3x the damage as that is not even accurate for the time D&D takes place in. Sure. Guns are more powerful than bows and crossbows. But guns back when both crossbows and bows where used with guns also didn't have the range their older weapons had. Guns were fairly short range while crossbows and longbows were still effective at longer ranges. Misfire checks is also not a good rule. It is not a good rule for the same reason critical fumble tables are not a good rule. It just punish people for having multiple attacks or using the weapons. Based on the fact a check will eventually fail, you just punish classes that are ment to roll many attacks. Like Fighters or Monks. You also do not have those rules for other weapons, even if those weapons have just as much of a potential to misfire. The string of a longbow can snap back so hard that your wrist gets cut open with a deep wound. You were required to have armguards to protect you from that. A crossbow can break if their strings were wet, and the same goes for the longbow. With longbows you were also required to have correct posturing in order to draw the bow without physical damages to your body. If you drew a bow in the incorrect way, you might just pull a muscle or break a bone. So why do guns have misfire rules and not any other weapon? Reloading should not take an action. Guns were faster than crossbows in reloading even if they were muzzle loaded. In the rules any loading weapon such as Crossbows or Guns can only be used once a turn unless you have a feat that removes that (if feats are allowed). You are not creating workable rules this way. It just try to make guns operate to a realistic framework when nothing else operates in a realistic framework. You can not move 30ft and swing a sword 9 times in 6 seconds as well. But that is well within the rules of the game for fighters. So why are you breaking format just for guns when Guns are not that powerful, they are not that much of a game changing element and they are not even breaking the game setting and lore. If you have to reload 4 pistols maybe I can agree with you, but the whole point about the Loading property is that you can only fire once, and then reload until it is your turn again. If you want to look at weapons in the late medieval era it was known that armor had become so good that swords, spears, crossbows, longbows and even maces did just about nothing to them. This is why Pikemen were used instead. A two-handed spear with the strength of two arms had a much greater chance of actually harming someone in armor, even if it wasn't something that always worked. So even without guns, armor made these kinds of weapon obsolete. If you want something that actually causes issues in your game you have magical weapons and magical armor. Those are the issues with games, and not guns. Guns are a logical progression and something EVERYONE should want in a world such as D&D as you can leave your town and run into boar the sizes of cars, or dragons and trolls.
For grit points I probably would go that if a creature is of a car greater than or equal to 1/2 the level of the gunslinger they get a grit point back, abject for exceptions. This is only combat while initiative order is active. Outside of combat probably twice the gunslingers level. Might add like fractional grit points where if a creature is below a CR of half the gunslingers level, but they manage to kill a percentage of the amount that their are, then after that amount is reached then they get a grit point.
Currently dming but when im not I've got a character idea u want to try. He's a 34 year old cowboy who lost his right arm (he's firing arm) while on a job. He got badly injured while trying to kill a dragon that dwarves wanted dead (it was ruining their operation, along with his arm he lost his trustly revolver (name tbd), the dwarves with him saved him. He has a mechanical arm (works like a real arm due to magical connection to him). He usually doesnt wear the arm, opting for his cloak arm piece to be folded and pinned at the top. He's a bit of a dead beat father, never being home. He does care for his childern and wife and sends them money he earns. Because of this I'm going to play him like the groups father figure. What y'all think? Good, decent, bad? Open to suggestions.
Firearms are welcome anytime. I love the theme, and the firearms incorporation with the Gunslinger is a nice touch, but Battle Master does the rest as well or better. As for sneak attacks with firearms... Han shot first. 😎
Honestly, my favorite style of ranger to pair with the gunslinger is, the Beastmaster Ranger, but I have a Shapeshifter in Aaracokran Form whose a Barbarian, a Gunslinger Fighter, and an Artificer
@@Eddddie648 Variant Human for the race gives me a Feat at level 1. I pick gunner for proficiency with firearms and you don't get disadvantage for shooting them within 5ft. and i went with the battle master subclass and use the Maneuvers and superiority dice instead of the grit and trick shots. It basically means you don't need to be multi ability score dependant. Gunslinger needs dex con and wis Battlemaster only needs dex and con
Im playing a goblin artificer/ gunslinger mutli-class. I have Proficiency in almost every tool type. So every some sessions me and my DM sit down and talk about what little Gil is going to make. Taking the D2/monster hunter logic of using parts of rare monsters for cool gun types and effects.
i have been playing my character as a gunslinger but he is a battle smith artificer and will soon be taking levels in fighter going towards battle master. i don't see what the gunslinger does that the battle master doesn't do, a lot the battle master does, and the special firearms have a "reload" property, not a "loading" property so they don't work with the reloading weapon infusion. i had thought at first to be artillerist artificer but found the arcane cannon too limiting (only last an hour, takes a spell slot to create again. it will last for an entire fight, sure, but will almost certainly fade before the next fight) battle smith oddly enough makes a better gunslinger than artillerist. same way battle master makes a better gunslinger than the actual gunslinger subclass.
Just today I lost two characters in Tomb of Annihilation and had no character ideas to help with a beholder encounter. I rolled up a Giff gunslinger named Captain Theodore Eckwith III. I decided to go with a full on British colonial uniform with a monocle and pipe. I choose the pepperbox and bad news for weaponry. After we dealt with the beholder I was able to use the treasure no one wanted to create copper buckshot and silver bullets.
I'm new here and was curious about the gunslinger. Just wanted to know, is the guy with the glasses that shoots guns from any show? If so what show is it?
Let’s put it this way a in real life a pistols can’t take out a bear yet a Bow and a crossbow can. How would that work against a bear do bears get damage reduction against pistols? Do Dragons get damage reduction against pistols?
You don't need intelligence for a gunslinger. Dex, Wis and Con, maybe Cha for Bullying shot but you don't need intelligence, just your tinker tool proficiency.
My DM wanted me to play a Gunslinger, but the Gunslinger Fighter subclass seemed worse than just the Battlemaster subclass, but using a gun. Also, the Fighter has things like heavy armor proficiency that doesn't fit with the cowboy theme. So I made my own homebrew Gunslinger class
But like why would you give them the edge over a ranger like why would I give my gunslinger character more grit points if he's doing less damage than a ranger just because he has a shittier bill
When someone wants to use firearms in your D&D games, what do you do? Leave your answer in the comments below. Next video I'll be covering the Vanquisher subclass.
Just use a crossbow and flavor it imo
yeah just reskin a crossbow@@lilbop4942
@@lilbop4942 Knights and Guns existed at the same time, so for me it's perfectly fine to use guns
If only gunslinger was a ranger subclass...
No one dared to ask him questions, no one dared to make a slip, for the stranger there among them had a Big Iron on his hip, big iron on his hip.
It was early in the morning when he rode into the town. He came riding from tge south side lookin’ all around.
While I've never run a gunslinger in 5e, I had an absolute blast running a gunslinger in Pathfinder, with dual wielding revolvers.
I'm playing a Goblin Gunslinger in Ghosts of Saltmarsh. It's been a lot of fun so far.
Edit: Oh, man. The Arcane Archer would be so vastly improved just by adding in a refresh for their Arcane Shot ability like the Gunslinger gets. Also, I think the abilities being tied to Wisdom makes sense, since that's what skills like Perception run off of. It makes sense to tie it to your shooting ability.
My gunslinger has a couple of levels of forge cleric and it has been so much more effective in the game. The spells give you more options in battle as well as utility and the channel divinity of the forge cleric let's you fashion a hunk of metal into armor, weapons or ammunition. So many opportunities!
It also helps that between the AC and the CON proficiency, it's easy to cast & maintain Bless.
@@aquartertwo which could help offset Sharpshooter
I've had characters express interest in firearms before but never seriously try and pursue the idea, and I've always had the same response. "Firearms are a new invention in my world, and still pretty rare. If you want to go on a quest to obtain one, you absolutely can, but it will take some work on your part". Nobody has ever followed up on the idea. Too bad, because I have this really fun concept for a sidequest to conquer an island of monkeys given intelligence by cursed bands of intellect controlled by a mindflayer and forced to act as pirates with cannons and pistols and everything controlled from a remote island fortress, and if you succeed you can take over the monkey gunpowder castle and all the production facilities and such.
As a person who allowed gunslinger on the table .BE VERY VARY. It's not balanced by a large mile and needs a lot of fixing. There is a reason it's not in the official books. Do it at your own risk.
@@hauz287 Nobody has ever asked me to play a gunslinger fighter, they were playing other classes and subclasses and were interested in firearms to complement other builds.But yes I'm as careful with that kind of stuff as I am with any trusted homebrew or 3rd party content I allow or use at my table: trust but verify, and be open to changing things mid campaign if it isn't working.
Why would a character pursue a weapon type that they are not likely to know the existence of furthermore it makes the players feel like they are metagaming
@@theoldkobold Rumors travel. Merchants, sailors, pilgrims, that sort of thing carry rumors with them. Someone far away but not on the other side of the world invents a new wonderous weapon that produces huge smoke and fire and can kill a man in armor in a single shot all without magic? That's a story that's going to spread. And D&D Characters often interact with wanderers and travelers becaues of their profession. It's entirely reasonable that they would have heard these rumors. Whether they believe any part of them or follow up is up to them and their characterization.
I Will play a gunslinger, but as a Battle master fighter with a gun, it's much more versatile and strong than trick shot
Knights and guns existed at the same time, personally I just flavor the weapons to be thematic of the kind of era my campaigns are based on, Spelljammer has lasers, Forgotten realms has single shot guns like muskets, eberron has revolvers and such.
I'm not sure how I'm just finding your channel, but I'm now starting to binge all your videos! Super entertaining and genuinely good content! Can't wait for more videos! Thank you!
4:22 for grit point regeneration winging shot would be a nice tactical setup not letting an enemy get away (greater the distance/ more dramatic) or sniper bait setup dropping an enemy in the open with no to limited cover/ clear firing lines to pick off any one that comes to help
5:31 You kids ever heard of Gene Starwind? He was a bit of an outlaw among the stars when I was kid. He had a really nice piece, a real rarity. Even more rare than that weapon itself was the ammo it used. When magic started drying up a few wizards started preparing spells in advance & sealed until a time was needed & a source to draw energy from wasn’t available.
Man ive been binging alot of your videos and i really appreciate all the advice and dialog of your channel. Its helping me prepare to dm my first game
Simple/advanced rules:
Simple: use the stats for bows as guns, hand waive away the production of black powder .
Advanced: guns roll 3x the damage dice of the bow they’re based of, but each attack roll is also a misfire check. On a misfire, you roll for damage against yourself, taking half the normal weapon damage as fire damage from the explosion, and rendering the gun unusable.
Reloading takes a main action, as does a shot, so you must action surge to do both.
You can have multiple guns to use Multiattack, like a pirate being strapped with 4 flintlocks on his vest.
The risks balance out the power.
(I also skip over the fine details about ranges being much more limited for flintlocks and leave the procurement of bullets and powder to RP stuff if people even care for it)
Yeah. I do not agree.
First of 1d12 is enough damage. There is no point to deal 3x the damage as that is not even accurate for the time D&D takes place in. Sure. Guns are more powerful than bows and crossbows. But guns back when both crossbows and bows where used with guns also didn't have the range their older weapons had. Guns were fairly short range while crossbows and longbows were still effective at longer ranges.
Misfire checks is also not a good rule. It is not a good rule for the same reason critical fumble tables are not a good rule. It just punish people for having multiple attacks or using the weapons. Based on the fact a check will eventually fail, you just punish classes that are ment to roll many attacks. Like Fighters or Monks. You also do not have those rules for other weapons, even if those weapons have just as much of a potential to misfire. The string of a longbow can snap back so hard that your wrist gets cut open with a deep wound. You were required to have armguards to protect you from that. A crossbow can break if their strings were wet, and the same goes for the longbow. With longbows you were also required to have correct posturing in order to draw the bow without physical damages to your body. If you drew a bow in the incorrect way, you might just pull a muscle or break a bone.
So why do guns have misfire rules and not any other weapon?
Reloading should not take an action. Guns were faster than crossbows in reloading even if they were muzzle loaded. In the rules any loading weapon such as Crossbows or Guns can only be used once a turn unless you have a feat that removes that (if feats are allowed). You are not creating workable rules this way. It just try to make guns operate to a realistic framework when nothing else operates in a realistic framework. You can not move 30ft and swing a sword 9 times in 6 seconds as well. But that is well within the rules of the game for fighters. So why are you breaking format just for guns when Guns are not that powerful, they are not that much of a game changing element and they are not even breaking the game setting and lore. If you have to reload 4 pistols maybe I can agree with you, but the whole point about the Loading property is that you can only fire once, and then reload until it is your turn again.
If you want to look at weapons in the late medieval era it was known that armor had become so good that swords, spears, crossbows, longbows and even maces did just about nothing to them. This is why Pikemen were used instead. A two-handed spear with the strength of two arms had a much greater chance of actually harming someone in armor, even if it wasn't something that always worked. So even without guns, armor made these kinds of weapon obsolete.
If you want something that actually causes issues in your game you have magical weapons and magical armor. Those are the issues with games, and not guns. Guns are a logical progression and something EVERYONE should want in a world such as D&D as you can leave your town and run into boar the sizes of cars, or dragons and trolls.
For grit points I probably would go that if a creature is of a car greater than or equal to 1/2 the level of the gunslinger they get a grit point back, abject for exceptions. This is only combat while initiative order is active. Outside of combat probably twice the gunslingers level. Might add like fractional grit points where if a creature is below a CR of half the gunslingers level, but they manage to kill a percentage of the amount that their are, then after that amount is reached then they get a grit point.
i rolled up a tiefling Holy Gun Paladin called Heathen for Pathfinder back in the day. maybe I'll dust him off.
Currently dming but when im not I've got a character idea u want to try.
He's a 34 year old cowboy who lost his right arm (he's firing arm) while on a job. He got badly injured while trying to kill a dragon that dwarves wanted dead (it was ruining their operation, along with his arm he lost his trustly revolver (name tbd), the dwarves with him saved him.
He has a mechanical arm (works like a real arm due to magical connection to him).
He usually doesnt wear the arm, opting for his cloak arm piece to be folded and pinned at the top.
He's a bit of a dead beat father, never being home. He does care for his childern and wife and sends them money he earns. Because of this I'm going to play him like the groups father figure.
What y'all think? Good, decent, bad? Open to suggestions.
Firearms are welcome anytime. I love the theme, and the firearms incorporation with the Gunslinger is a nice touch, but Battle Master does the rest as well or better.
As for sneak attacks with firearms... Han shot first. 😎
Honestly, my favorite style of ranger to pair with the gunslinger is, the Beastmaster Ranger, but I have a Shapeshifter in Aaracokran Form whose a Barbarian, a Gunslinger Fighter, and an Artificer
Im currently playing a gunslinger but using a battlemaster with the gunner feat.
Working out well so far
Could you explain?
@@Eddddie648 Variant Human for the race gives me a Feat at level 1.
I pick gunner for proficiency with firearms and you don't get disadvantage for shooting them within 5ft.
and i went with the battle master subclass and use the Maneuvers and superiority dice instead of the grit and trick shots.
It basically means you don't need to be multi ability score dependant.
Gunslinger needs dex con and wis
Battlemaster only needs dex and con
@@jojimbo136 ah great! Thanks for letting me know! 👍
Nice, been waiting for the next video. Thanks!
Was hoping to see some Vash the Stampede imagery.
Im playing a goblin artificer/ gunslinger mutli-class. I have Proficiency in almost every tool type. So every some sessions me and my DM sit down and talk about what little Gil is going to make. Taking the D2/monster hunter logic of using parts of rare monsters for cool gun types and effects.
I’m confused why he’s bringing up intelligence in regards to tinkers tools like you need the former to use the latter
(it's literally the gunslinger class from Pathfinder 1e and I lowkey highkey love it for that
My DM was cool enough to let me dip into artificer to get repeating shot. If your DM allows it do it.
I have a question if you take the archery fighting style, is it still possible to misfire? With a 🔫
what is the show in the background
i have been playing my character as a gunslinger but he is a battle smith artificer and will soon be taking levels in fighter going towards battle master. i don't see what the gunslinger does that the battle master doesn't do, a lot the battle master does, and the special firearms have a "reload" property, not a "loading" property so they don't work with the reloading weapon infusion.
i had thought at first to be artillerist artificer but found the arcane cannon too limiting (only last an hour, takes a spell slot to create again. it will last for an entire fight, sure, but will almost certainly fade before the next fight) battle smith oddly enough makes a better gunslinger than artillerist.
same way battle master makes a better gunslinger than the actual gunslinger subclass.
Have you looked at HeavyArms Gunslinger class with its own subclass? I highly suggest you do
Just today I lost two characters in Tomb of Annihilation and had no character ideas to help with a beholder encounter. I rolled up a Giff gunslinger named Captain Theodore Eckwith III. I decided to go with a full on British colonial uniform with a monocle and pipe. I choose the pepperbox and bad news for weaponry. After we dealt with the beholder I was able to use the treasure no one wanted to create copper buckshot and silver bullets.
People should try the gunslinger class by heavyarms. My favorite version of gunslinger in 5e.
I'm new here and was curious about the gunslinger. Just wanted to know, is the guy with the glasses that shoots guns from any show? If so what show is it?
He’s from the legend of vox machina, based off of a critical role dnd campaign
I could be wrong here but I think the reason it is so ability score dependent is that the base fighter class gives bonus feats.
Where do I put trick shots on the new character sheet?
The battlemaster is a better Gunslinger.
You guys need to try Gunslinger by Heavyarms. It's fun, it's balanced and it does not have missfire lol
Thank you!
Gunslinger is always gun, though I've taken a break since I always make on lol. Maybe I should rethink that break
I would love to see you compare this class to the authorizer artillarissa
The Gunslinger X Artillerist…. I make things go Boom
Let’s put it this way a in real life a pistols can’t take out a bear yet a Bow and a crossbow can. How would that work against a bear do bears get damage reduction against pistols?
Do Dragons get damage reduction against pistols?
That depends on where you shoot them. A pistol can very much take out a bear, and a bow and crossbow can very much fail to take them out.
Dino is currently making a a Giff Gunslinger he's the best although he's a bit nervous
When do we get to the barbarian videos?
Could be the next series if the viewers vote for it
I love the grit points, but I'm positive mine is better
The issue with this subclass will always be that it was made to replicate the Gunslinger class from Pathfinder 1e
You don't need intelligence for a gunslinger. Dex, Wis and Con, maybe Cha for Bullying shot but you don't need intelligence, just your tinker tool proficiency.
Ask your dm if you can throw a golden coin, and shoot it to make it ricochet of the coin into your enemy and gain advantage
so fitting as mcree is voiced by matthew mercer also I play too much Overwatch
Like Anne Oakley
My DM wanted me to play a Gunslinger, but the Gunslinger Fighter subclass seemed worse than just the Battlemaster subclass, but using a gun. Also, the Fighter has things like heavy armor proficiency that doesn't fit with the cowboy theme. So I made my own homebrew Gunslinger class
But like why would you give them the edge over a ranger like why would I give my gunslinger character more grit points if he's doing less damage than a ranger just because he has a shittier bill