Gil's Arena DEBATES Their All Time TOP 5 Point Guards
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Gil's Arena DEBATES Their All Time TOP 5 Point Guards in a heated showdown between Gilbert Arenas, Rashad McCants and Brandon Jennings. Steph Curry, Lebron James and Magic Johnson are easy options but who they pick, and leave off, will shock you!!!
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I’m with Brandon Jennings on this one…the disrespect on John Stockton is ludicrous by Gilbert
Naw John not on no dam top Pg list
Stockton is top 10 but not top 5.
Because he is white lol
lebron is not no fucking point guard gilbert what the fuck he is on
Never forget Josh Howard
A pg list with no MAGIC Johnson is ridiculous
Fr tho. So unserious
The man had the nerve to say Magic wasn't a real point guard. Rashad and Gilbert are proof that just because you played, doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.
Bruh magic like 6'9 or some sht
Facts list is invalid
Rashad really talks stupid
As a Chicagoan, we are programmed to hate the Detroit Pistons but Isiah Thomas is a Top 3 point guard. The man lead a team who beat Mike, Bird and Magic in the same playoffs
That's what I'm saying, that only one. He also drop 47 on a broken ankle in a playoff game.
Let’s not forget Isiah is from Chicago westside
@@Chosen1Crown Exactly
But Isiah thomas is from Chicago. You gotta give respect where respect is due. I'm born and raised in Chicago but I don't hate Isiah because Jordan hates him. It's all fight and competition. It is what it is.
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Zeke is written in greatness in the history of the game. Zeke was unbelievable in playoff history defeated the very best in his era Magic Bird Jordan Drexler can't count how many historic heroic moments...... Zeke was (truly special) 2 time all-star MVP. 16 points 94 seconds against the great Bernard King....70 percent 3 point average in finals against Portland.....25 points playing on a severely strained ankle. Put the proper respect on Zeke's name
That 25 points was in one quarter alone, and still to this day the record for points scored in one quarter in the finals.
Winning championship on a bad ankle
I get where all coming from but your talking about 1 playoff run not his entire career
Right whst the he.. Gil taking about
Zeke had above 20pts, above 10ast and above 2stl for 5 season straight. He's neither overrated nor a bad defender.
Magic and Steph not being considered PGs even tho they're the top 2 is crazy. Bro never ceases to bring these takes
lol also steph has played less games than magic and has more points more steals and more blocks and just a few hundred less rebs...and while steph was being the point guard he avg more points and assists than magic until magic got with kareem and took off....
@@jessicagalvan3358 💯
It's the bron bron pom pom gang
That nonsense colors errythang
@@jessicagalvan3358how has Steph played less games then Magic. Magic played from 79-91 that’s a 12 year career. Steph started in 09 and still going into year 13
People been in that argument that he’s not your “typical” Point Guard 🤷🏾♂️ I agree doesn’t take away from his greatness but people feel that way about that position
@@KDubb-ws9zc Steph missed 2 early seasons with his ankle injuries, and missed another recent season when he broke his hand
Gilbert Arenas calling Isiah overrated is insane. Especially when he won championships in the era with Magic Bird and MJ
You mean when Bird and Magic got old and MJ was playing with trash?
@@MegaKhalid121 magic wasn't old though
@@MegaKhalid121 magic wasn't even 30 the first time isiah beat him
And to think that the NBA stopped the Pistons dynasty by making their play weak.
Just to baby Jordan.
@MegaKhalid121 nah. Magic was the defending champion when Pistons went back to back.
Sometimes Gilbert Arenas has the most ridiculous takes. IF Isiah wasn't the best player on the Pistons and the Point Guard of the Pistons then I don't know which team I was watching at the time.
Also there are 24 players on an all star team. Still puts Zeke in top 24 out of 400 for 12 years.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 i had him #5th but i remember brandon didn't like chris lol so i switched 😂😂😜
nah the pistons as a team was good no kap im from detroit im with gil zeek nice but he is overrated
@@moreskee Gil was being generous, All Star is not "best" All NBA is, All Stars are a popularity contest & Zeke was popular in two major cities. Home town hero in Chicago & of course Detroit. It's actually crazy that Zeke never received an All-NBA selection after they added a third team. The league was not saturated with guards, Mark Price & KJ were making All-NBA teams over him. Isiah's assist to turnover ratio is atrocious too. Zeke wasn't even an all NBA selection in his 2 championship seasons, seasons where most people would consider him peak.
@@TheFanDEATH you practice 🌈 activities
Hearing Gill down Zeke as not being Top 5 Pg yet being the same dude who told Richard Jefferson that he should be a HOF candidate is CRAZY
Zeke had above 20pts, above 10ast and above 2stl for 5 season straight. He's neither overrated nor a bad defender. Richard who?!
@@benitofranklyn4237 I’m not sure what you meant with this comment… but what I was saying was that Isiah Thomas has a way better resume than most small guards in NBA history, meanwhile Gil can’t even get in the HOF…
Gil high AF and I hate Isaiah Thomas but I keep it real
This is why Gilbert is not taken seriously. This Isiah take is wild!!!!!!!!
Bro Gil is the man. But he’s just high on some of rashads potion.
Nah Bradnon Jennings said Chris Paul ain't better than Russell nor Harden. Now that's some nutshit say. 💯
@@Exhibit_C_me Like this episode proved that just cause you played in the NBA, don’t mean you know the history of the game & who was important 🤷🏾♂️
Easily the worst gil take ive heard
@@Exhibit_C_me Chris Paul really not better than Russ or harden
Saying Earvin Magic Johnson isn’t a real point guard is criminal behavior. Once again, McCants gives us a HORRIBLE take.
McCants takes are RIDICULOUS...🤦🏿🤦🏿
If magic Johnson is a pg you gotta put lebron in there.
I think LeBron is more of a PG than anything else...
He was trying to follow the 'true PG mold.' So little guys that weren't shoot-first guys. But McCants can't debate to save his life....At least Gil was trying to defend his arguments with stats. Right or wrong -- he brought things to the conversation. Not even sure what McCants brought to this conversation.
Magic wanted too be a point guard too make his job easy ... he was posting up small niggas lol clown
This is the best of Gil being wrong and just doubling down 😂😂
😂😂
Man said 3s aren't a stat
🎉 we litt
Gil had 3 good seasons ...weird how he sees himself
Right
This is too funny tho! 3 brothers arguing and 1 cool instigating brother
Brandon picking up the dog and barking like Martin has me in tears 😭😭😭
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Man I was in tears 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 sit! Lay!
what minute?? lol
@@tirondademanya1614 14:09
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You can tell Brandon actually ran the Point.
Bruh. We all respect Kidd. But he ain’t top 5. Maybe not even top 10. And Stockton is top 10.
@@newagain9964 nah stockton is top 5 people just dont respect the shit he did, cause most didnt wanna grow up being john stockton
@@trigun630 where is the disrespect? There’s only 5 spots in a top 5.
@@newagain9964 Stockton leads everyone in steals and assists. Categories people look out when judging point guards. Yet when it's time to see who's the best they got yea Stockton has them but eh (insert random reason here). They just don't care for John Stockton. Most have never seen him play. Its not an easy list to make but damn people are doing there best to keep a guy who was THE point guard by definition and saying yes but could he dunk.
@@trigun630No its because most of those assists went to Karl Malone. Just like most of Nash’s assists went to either Dirk or Amare.
Jennings with the dog barking I'm sick of this sh*t had me crying 😂
The way Gil looked at him too hahaha
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😂😂😂 shit is hilarious
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I love this podcast. Could listen to them all day, lmao. Even if they make no sense at times, hilarious
Fr lol sometimes making no sense makes the best sense. Comment section just forgets that Everything is subject to opinions like Rasheed always says
facts....they be fr having me in legit tears bro
I haven’t laughed so hard in a while 😂 the zeke take was outrageous. When Brandon Jennings asked CP3 or Rondo I thought my phone froze lmao
Rondo waited a little too long to full embrace developing his shooting. but he was clutch. But when he asked the question, that commercial drop was perfect
I swear 😂😂😂
Brandon Jennings’ is the only one making any sense!!
That part was comedy yoo
Funniest shit yeo 😂
Gil was liquored up on this one. He even contradicted his own list!🤣
Thank you!!!! No one else picks up on that. LEBRON IS NOT A GUARD!!!!
Jennings' reaction when Thomas was mentioned by Gilbert in that discourse was hilarious 😂😂
The lakers dont have a point guard lol @jwalk31
@joeasy8 That's what he does; that's his forte!!!
Gil was speaking facts
Stockton made his first All NBA team in 1987-1988. Stockton got drafted in the league in 1984. Thats 4 years. Zeke came to the league in 1981 first All NBA was 1982 and then had 5 years in a row. Zeke team was won 21 games the year before he got there. 81/82 was first year. 83/84 was the first time in the playoffs and 88/89 won first ring. From 86/87 to 90/91 was in ECF with 3 straight finals appearances.
Not to mention, he beat Jordan, Bird and Magic all in the playoffs to get a ring. Zeke was diffy!
Zeke lead team beat Bird, Magic & this guy named Michael Jordan 🤷🏾
Tbh Zeke and Stockton are both top 5 PG
@@rasputinreid zeke not Stockton
@@kenneth9338 I didn't like Stockton but I will be honest. He showed more balls asking Zeke to introduce him at the Hall of Fame because of how Zeke was done during the dream team issue.
Is that the dog martin used in that episode? Lmao
Did Gil just say Dumars was leading force over IT??? 🤣 I’m done
The hate is real with GIL. I FORGOT WHAT WAS THE REASON HE WAS KICKED OUT OF THE LEAGUE
@@andrejamison2723y’all just be talking he didn’t get kicked out
Gil be trolling. Idk why y’all fall for his bs everytime 😂
Nigga was wildin!
Joe Dumars was like that …
I love Brandon Jennings reaction to Gilbert placing CP3 in his top 5 🤣
Brandon has the worst takes. CP3 is top 5.
@@carltonbanks5470 nah
@@fiyinafolayan4717 yah
@@fiyinafolayan4717cp3 def top 5 pg ever
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Zeek pts: 22.7 rebounds: 3.6 assists: 7.8 steals: 1.6. John Stockton John Stockton averaged 13.3 points, 11.4 assists and 2.5 rebounds head to head
Respect to Mccants for da shoutout to Calicoe from Detroit @ 18:06
LandSlide x BMF
Oh shut up
@@i-_-smokeloud It's past midnight. Go to sleep kid.
Brandon Jennings the voice of reason !
Brandon obviously has water in his cup. I don’t know what the others are sipping on, especially Gil, but take his away.
McCants have the same players
@@geronimopratt7976Rashad didn’t even put Magic Johnson in his list of Point guards
Gilbert smoking on something foreign today, and he always riding lebron dick lol comone now lmao
They makin' Brandon look like a damn genius with those crazy takes.
Gary Payton said that John Stockton was nearly impossible to guard and Gary is arguably the best defensive point guard ever
If he was, why he don't got more points
@@juansanders-ck1olbasketball isn't just about points. If you must know Stockton has the most assists ever and it's not even close
@@collllllll that's the whole point of the game, to score points 😂
@@collllllll and guess who most of those assists went to, the man rabk third in all time points 😂
@@juansanders-ck1ol the ball doesn't magically appear in the hoop
Brandon has straightforward arguments.
Rashad wants a PG that’s only left handed, dribbles only to the beat of nursery rhymes, and can only play on the right half of the court.
Gil posts some BS like a kid who forgot the assignment till only 5 minutes are left before class and then tries to sell it like he thought about it.
😂😂😂
LOL his qualifications were playmaking, assist getters Just wouldn't include Magic bc he's over 6'5''
@@Carl1973100 It was a little hyperbole, but saying you need to be a certain height and play specific style was just dumb. Which probably explains why 4 of the 5 couldn’t win a championship as a top 2 player on their team cause they were small and unable to do more than facilitate to other scorers.
He change the game, it’s not a good argument for the top PG
Stockton and Magic are on their own tier. JS had a 4 year average of 17.5 pts 14.5 asst. 4 rebounds 3 steals. Low turnover ratio. 53% field goal.
Isiah put up 22 and 14 when they had a good offense. When they slowed the game down and focused on a defensive identity he was putting up 19 and 10. Zeke is a beast
you literally just makin up numbers
Gil trash
@phizzledUP .. Oh .. you don't know Isiah Thomas lol He put up 21.9pts & 13.9assists in a season only guy to do it. He retired averaging 19.2pts ... 9.3assists. Do ya research my guy
TRUE THESE GUYS SAID NOTHING ABOUT GAME PACE
Facts before Chuck Daley they were a run and gun team and zeke was putting up crazy numbers. @@AnanseSavage
To say that J-Kidd wasn't the 2nd best player on the Mavericks is crazy. He might not have been a high scorer but the way he ran the offense was top tier.
I will say I rather take the New Jersey Nets J. Kidd, but that's his prime.
we can’t rewrite history. he simply wasn’t the second best player on that team
@@marcelohendrix6139 although he wasn’t the second leading scoring he was the machine for that team…. With Dirk and Terry no ship without Kidd
@@flavachasers4543Kidd was not the second best player on that team regardless
Definitely wasnt the second best on that team
Isiah Thomas is one of the 3 best POINT guards of all time. He went to 3 straight NBA finals, won back to back chips, and was the architect of that run. And he did it against Bird, Magic, and MJ. Also, when he was a stat stuffer he did it with the best of them. 21 ppg and 13.9 apg in his best statistical season. C’mon Gil.
Could've won a 3rd chip if not for the infamous phantom call
He also beat a Magic less Lakers for his first title...
💯💯💯 Gil hatin on Zeke 😂😂
Magic, Curry, and Oscar are all ranked higher.
No tf he is not
Zeke had above 20pts, above 10ast and above 2stl for 5 season straight. He's neither overrated nor a bad defender.
I have a lot of respect for Brandon Jennings giving Steph his props. Same draft class, Jennings was looking like the star at first; he easily could have some resentment for Steph but definitely shows him nothing but love
I was gon say i wonder how he feel knowing he came in with a all time great , prolly crazy to look back on
Yup, steph is a good ass player, I don't like the warriors or really even him foreal, but he's def a very good player, doesn't matter what era he plays in, his movement and shooting alone would him elite
Brandon was really him
A pg list without magic has me in tears 😭
Im with Jennings in this one Gil tends to disrespect older players who accomplished more then he did. I love Gil but he be hating sometimes 😂.
love Brandon energy in these episodes he be calling them boys out for their BS hahaha
Except for hating on CP3
Alone with his bullshit
@@MrtrapLiveCP3 deserves it
Nah
Naw he lost this one when he said CP3 isn’t a better PG than Westbrook 😂
When Isiah Thomas retired in April 1994, he was 3rd all time in assists and 4th all time in steals.
Remember, he did all of that in LESS than 1000 career games.
His 4 seasons of 20 points and 10 assists are 2nd ONLY to Oscar Robertson's 5 seasons.
The highest scoring game in NBA history, Isiah Thomas won
The top offensive team in the NBA from 1983-1986 was ran by Isiah Thomas.
The top defensive team from 1988-1990 was led by Isiah Thomas..
The highest three point percentage in a NBA Finals belongs to Isiah Thomas.
The most steals in a NBA Finals game and series belongs to Isiah Thomas .
The most points in a NBA Finals quarter belongs to Isiah Thomas .
The only player in a single postseason to score over 500 points, have over 200 assists, grab over 100 rebounds and have over 50 steals was in 1988 by Isiah Thomas.
Overrated huh?
Gil purposely made a horrible argument I think
@@ghettogov6161 yes he did.
“And I took that personally”
13 ppg and 14.5 apg is more productive than 20 and 10.
@@jaycee9153 don't understand this comment but I suppose it's John Stockton's ringless stats?
Gil the Isiah Thomas slander is ludicrous lol!!! John Stockton is not a better player than Isiah no way no how!!!
First 20 seconds and I’m smiling already 😂 J Kidd is one of the best to ever do it . #2 steals , #2 assists. No drama . Man’s a legend
No JKidd is one of those who had a lot of drama. Great great point guard and player though
When he wasn’t rocking a jersey, he was rocking a wife-beater
😂😂😂 no drama? i guess you don't remember the JJJ situation with Toni Braxton
Brandon’s list was flawless
Factz
@@sevenball3963Facts
No Oscar
I concur
During the 2011 Mavs championship run, Jason Kidd averaged 35 minutes per game, while Jason Terry averaged 33 minutes a game. Kidd played significant minutes and in crunch time during that run.
Gil just be saying anything
Jason Terry was still more effective and efficient, you better off comparing Kidd to Barrea bc the Jet was on some shit.
@@slimetooomob1656jet was definitely the second weapon but gil acting like jkidd was a bench player
Fr I remember Kidd hitting big shots late in a few games. He wasn’t prime kidd but he wasn’t on the bench on clutch time ever
@@kingkoopa8616 Gil always talking crazy when he don’t like something or fit his narrative. JKidd was definitely a factor that run.
Gill saying Zeke is overrated is wild!!! It’s not all about stats. Stockton was the truth but he was a system player. Zeke ran the show.
How the entire hell can anyone say Magic didn’t run point? Rashad never disappoints in the ignorance is bliss takes. Take after take. My goodness.
LOL. Did you hear or watch the video? He clearly said that Gil TOLD him that if he considered Magic as PG then Gil will put Lebron on the list too. Rashad don't consider Bron as a PG so in respect to the rule, he left out Magic.
LOL. Did you hear or watch the video? He clearly said that Gil TOLD him that if he considered Magic as PG then Gil will put Lebron on the list too. Rashad don't consider Bron as a PG so in respect to the rule, he left out Magic.
My first time watching this channel and i hear this dude say Magic wasnt a PG... Bruh what are the qualifications for this job??? They just say anything...
@@JazzAUPHit’s crazy tho bc magic literally played point guard. Lebron was never listed as a point guard so he shouldn’t be on a point guard list. If that’s the case yu might as well put draymond or Scottie on it
Magic ran point and was the best at it and I hate the lakers
Curry is a PG. Magic is a PG. What is Rashad even saying bro 🤣🤣
Curry is not a pg
He is he plays the point guard position
@@andrejamison2723 y'all dudes is retarded
Curry plays more like a 2 so I get that point. Curry plays more off ball that’s not a point
@@kaujuanrichey7100 so is jokic not a center? Cause he sure as hell don't play like one but I don't hear people say jokic is something other than a center
this was by far the best video you guys ever did. i just love how everybody got mad.
Jennings "y'all choosin Clifford. The state farm guy. Ain't this some shit" 😂😂😂😂 fuckin crying
Aye the last one was even better 😂 bj was mad at brad beal for no reason … Gil and Martin ended up saying the same sht after a hour debating..and shad was just fried 😂😂😂
I just wanna know what Gilbert Arenas is smoking on lol.
Subjective things like All NBA or All Defensive teams shouldn’t be used in an argument of who may be better.
Isaiah Thomas is better than Chris Paul idk why we need to have this conversation but here we are.
Based on what is he better as an individual player than Chris Paul?
@@pandabear1576Isiah Thomas was a better scorer, had more in his offensive bag, and even though he played more like a pure pg, he could and literally did take over games from an offensive standpoint when he needed to.
Isiah Thomas also played in a more physical era, without zone defenses and where you could literally lay guards out when they drove to the hole. He also beat Bird, magic and Jordan on their primes on the way to his back to back championships, and honestly would have been a 3peat if not for the Phantom foul on Kareem.
Zeke also was available at the biggest moments in the playoffs for the biggest games and was THEE guy on his team.
@@pandabear1576 floor general/Leader.
@@liquidmetalslime9and was a better leader
@@liquidmetalslime9ne more of an offensive bag. Cause thats simply not true. He’s was a better scorer at the rim and was a more explosive athlete but that’s about it. Cp has just as great a handle, a better mid range, better 3pt shot, got to the rim a fair amount in his younger years before the meniscus tear. slightly better passer if not equal, and I’d say theyre about equal defensively. To me I’d say I’d take zekes game over cps as a first option but cp is the better overall talent. Young cp before his meniscus tear was damn near Zeke 2.0. After 2010 cp played more like Stockton. Production wise they are pretty much a wash. Both give u about the same numbers all around and both have very similar skill sets on paper. It’s just that Cps main gift is to pass and zekes is to score. But both can do the other just as well if need be. And idk what this durability thing is cause Zeke definitely had his fair share of bad luck with injuries as well. But he was a lot more lucky with the crop of talent that was built around him in Detroit.
That Isiah take is INSANE !
Word, GIlbert was on some other ish in this vid lol
Dude also said Kidd didn’t play in the last 5 mins of the finals, he might wanna check the tapes 😂😂😂
Yeah, honestly cant take gil seriously after that. What a 🤡. Isiah not top 5, while cp 3is
Respect to Brandon for defending the old school legends
He was only doing that to diminish CP, He just recently said how people overreact when looking at pure PG’s like Kidd & Stockton😂
“Help!!! Bill help!!”😂😂
I love Gil but someone should tell him about that 44 piece Zeke gave Stockton after getting screwed from making the Dream Team.
he just podding bro😂 lebron doesn’t top ANYONES list as best pg
@@bowlofsup_ Yeah, I know. LBJ ain't a PG. Gil just on some Gil sh** with that list. 😄
@@bowlofsup_ LBJ is def my top PG
@@Rell60 gimme yo best sf list👀
@@bowlofsup_ bron won a chip playing pg I would take lebron as a true pg
You guys must've forgot the 1st game Utah and Detroit played after they left Isaiah off the dream team. Isaiah embarrassed Stockton so bad that Karl had to clothes line Isaiah and bust his eye to try to slow him down.
That’s why Kenyon got revenge on Karl years later. He talked about it on the show.
@@ninocrown3247has nothing to do with the point, which is that Isaiah is better Stockton
@@18brandon92 you're definitely the life of the party 🤙🏿
I only got Zeke over Stock because of the rings🤷🏽♂️
@shinsukecorbin425 Which is what matters lol what u mean only? Plus Zeke got hurt too, and wasn't able to play as long after he broke his hand.
Zeke was dropping 40 on Stockton.. and made Malone have to elbow Zeke 😂😂😂
He’s a better scorer than Stockton but not a better PG.
Wasn't laimbeer injuring everyone who played the pistons. Most good teams in the 80s and 90s had enforcers.
@@ogmusik2549 lambeer wasn’t their top 2 best players Malone was without a doubt their best player Stockton used that PnR and made that shit famous until they faced MJ led bulls and ppl realized he couldn’t score much worth a damn when they needed him to score more than 21 points
Stockton had longevity…. Their assists average were separated by 1 assists…..
10.5 to 9.3
Zeke had above 20pts, above 10ast and above 2stl for 5 season straight. He's neither overrated nor a bad defender.
17:08 had me dying! “Help Bill! Help Bill! They blew past me, AGAIN!!!” 😭😭😭
Brandon Jennings the only one up there with some sense lol man Gil is trippin'
Not having Zeke as a top 5 pg is insane
I personally got Zeke at 3 after magic. Now magic and Steph can switch and I wouldn't be mad either way. But Zeke is hard 3rd no question
Might be the worst take of all time
How zeke wasn’t a defender and averaged 2 steals per game just like Stockton
@@averagecat5968 how can you have it over oscar?
“How tf do you put him in front of John Stockton?”… By putting him in front of John Stockton. 😭😂
I was rolling lol
Just like this 😂
All I'm gonna say is Mahmoud Abdul Rauf gave John Stockon 50. 😂
Gil: stockton was locking zeke up.
"On November 15th, 1991, Isiah's Detroit Pistons hosted the Utah Jazz in the Palace of Auburn Hills after the dream team roster was announced. Zeke would go on to score 44 points in 42 minutes of action. Thomas made 15-22 of his field goals, while also converting 12 out of 16 trips to the charity stripe. He also contributed four boards and four dimes to the Pistons' 123-115 win over Jazz."
Let it be known
What else ? That’s one game . Are there more ? One game won’t prove a point but multiple would . So what else ?
@TheOmac510 are you serious? Zeke won ships against Magic/bird/jordan/clyde/Hakeem/wilkins at the beginning of their peak or well into their prime.
Stockton couldn't do that. Zeke also destroyed stockton multiple games but never made it personal. He made this one game personal.
@@SynKyller Stockton couldn't lock Zeke up. No one could. Stockton's advantage was longevity. Zeke no doubt had the stronger prime.
@@SynKyller zeke won two rings how do you get all those players out of that
14:35 when B Jennings started barking and said “im sick of this shi- calm down calm down”
Was the funniest part to me 🤣🤣😭😭😭
Let it be known Zeke!! Let it be known Zeke!
You can't be a Detroit Pistons fan talking like that lol
He just couldn’t take it anymore.
He took that part from Martin when he was acting like Nino Brown from New Jack City lol
🤣🤣🤣
On my momma lol😅
How Gil got me agreeing with McCants😂
Man for real 💀.
Gil u wrong allway threw
Gil clearly trollin after he realized he was wrong 😂😂😂😂😂
In 19 matchups against each other Stockton averaged 13.3ppg 11.4ast and 2.5rebounds and Isiah Thomas averaged 22.7ppg 7.8 assist 3.6reb
They couldn't defend each other for hell
What was the record between them?
THAT PART!
Neither one really outplayed each other. It’s like Steph Vs Kyrie, they both usually getting they shit off. Iron Sharpens Iron.
You missed the point: Chris Paul and Lebron James over Zekes, and this came from Gil, the self proclaimed expert and played in the NBA at some point
I love this energy, this how every group of guys argues over sports and how it should be. Guarantee they all sparked a blunt together after. All love 🤞🏽
Derek fisher is slept on. He’s a champion, hit extremely big shots, major contributor to his teams success.
Lord Rashad has some historically horrible takes. It's just something about this dude. I see why his career went the way it did.
Rashad is the man! He brings spice and comedy
Such as?
This man said Magic wasn’t a point guard 😂😂😂😂 wtf
He really didn't do nothing after north Carolina but he do just seem like he say anything sometime.
"Lord" lmaooo man you sound corny as shit jus like him 😂😂😂
Isaiah "Zeke" ?Overrated? Yep Gil smoking!
Gil really tried to argue Steph is more defensive minded than Zeek 😂😂
He didn't...Not sure what you listened to.
@@hoanpham4545 I watched and listened to the podcast. Wtf are youuuu talking about 😂he said zeek wasn’t defensive but his team was and turned around and said defense starts with the point guard. Then he turned around and said Steph being the point guard of the warriors best defensive team… means he led the defense! But Zeek didn’t for the bad boy pistons😳. Yehhhhh ok😂
@@DontCallTyrone Eh...
@@hoanpham4545 I thought that’ll be your reply😂 you obviously was the one hard of hearing😂😂😂😂
@@DontCallTyronepeople just be arguing to argue I swear 😂
Zeke averaged 23 & Stockton averaged 11 against each other
Brandon Jennings was on GO 😂😂😂
Mccants is perfect example of god given talent because he was good player but the dumbest Basketball mind I’ve ever witness from an elite level player. His tales are mind blowing
Facts
I agree with him over Zeke than Gil’s dumbazz take. All those elite players in the 85-95 era put Zeke over Stockton.
Facts. Man said Magic wasn't a real PG 😂😂😂 NOTHING HE SAYS holds weight after that!
@@ninocrown3247na that’s just racist. John Stockton is top 5 PG of all time. no questions asked.
He is the dumbest basketball player … the dumbest
The Zeke disrespect is crazy, but "Bill Help!!!" is hilarious. Put it on a t-shirt.
😂😂😂😂
The dog barking is hilarious 😂😂🤣
watching this live, i thought Gil was losing his damn mind. but also this was wildly entertaining. keep up this kind of energy guys!
17:02 onwards was hilarious 😂
We really gonna argue that Steph changed the game with his shooting without acknowledging Magic changed it also as a 6'9" point guard?
No he didn’t technically 😂😂 who right after him was that big at point ?
@@juhvoncuffee5009Magic did change the game, the only thing Lebron did was change jersey.
Lol this is clear hatred and bias. How can you say magic changed the game but not lebron? Penny and grant hill came after magic but many years after him. Whereas the prototype point forward that followed lebron is in double digits. A lot more players played similar to lebron or at least tried. In these arguments you have to put bias aside or your lack of intelligence easily shows.
@@honzomanzo7789yeah I don’t think magic changed anything 😂
Bc that’s not replicable nor has it been maybe Lebron outside of that who? No logic in that statement
Isaiah Thomas was a better basketball player, Stockton was the better PG.
😂 u talkin bout the dude that got drafted in 84 but didn’t make a team til 87 is a better point guard 😂😂 yea ok
@@allears3867 I don't have to say anything. His numbers and the video do all the talking. If you're really all ears, you should be able to hear what they are saying.
@@sonnyqsoul young dawg John know he can’t hold zeke jock strap and it could of been any point guard with leading the league in assist if they was in a pick and role with Carl Malone goofy u must of started watching the nba in the 90s like Gilbert
@@allears3867 you said it could have been any point guard but it wasn't any PG, it was him. And his career ended with him having literally thousands more assists than the next guy. The primary job of the PG is to get your guys shots, and he did that better than anyone else in history, it's not even close.
"BILL HELP!!" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Gil’s zeke and Stockton slander is wild lmaooo but Brandon hating HARD on CP3 too 😂
Because Gil picked CP3, Oscar Robertson, and Lebron over John Stockton who is the all time leader in assists and steals
@@leetraviusmckay2919yeah but John Stockton gets a lil overrated in these convos because of how healthy he stayed and the longevity, no way is he better than zeke or CP3 imo but definitely between top 5-10
@@Yoannan_Ihe’s better than cp3 imo
Jennings list was the best it was the most unbiased, intelligent and with good reasons behind it. Jason kidd is so great if you look at his numbers it'll never actually do justice to how valuable he was, every place he went, the teams immediately got better, and the team he left got worse.
Award’s especially in the NBA can and do be bias…
Kidd not over Big O tho other than that bout right
He had no magic how is that list good 😂😂 are you dumb a top 5 pg list with No Magic is insanity
Of course the point guard lol
He was definitely biased toward Chris Paul who is definitely in this convo for that 4-7 spot for sure
NBA didn't add a 3rd team All-NBA until 1988-89 which was Zeke 8th season. He made All-NBA for five straight seasons from his 2nd season until his 6th season. Magic and Sydney Moncrief had 2 of the 4 guard spots on lock so he was battling George Gervin, Gus Williams, and Jim Paxson for the last 2 spots before MJ showed up and took a stranglehold on the 3rd guard spot. Stockton only made 1 All-NBA team before they added the 3rd team in 1988-89.
Stockton wasn't an all-star until 1988-89. Of course he's not gonna make all-nba teams before then.
@@CalebShimomuraall stars are fan voted all nba is about your performance
@@sethmcclain5007 while there are occasional exceptions, all-NBA players are generally recognized as all-stars by fans. I was using his all-star appearance record as a proxy to show how well he played early in his career.
Since that didn't work, here are some stats. Stockton didn't have a season with more than 10 ppg before 1987-88. (incidentally, he also made the all-NBA second team that year... over Isiah Thomas. So yes, all-NBA players can be overlooked in the all-star selection process... but in this case that just supports Stockton's case.)
And let's not act like Stockton was raking in the 3rd-team all-NBA selections. He had 8 1st- or 2nd-team all-NBA selections... 3 more than Isiah did.
OP is acting like Thomas's all-NBA selections are worth more because he didn't have the option to make a 3rd-team, and that when Stockton and Thomas were both playing, Thomas got the nod over Stockton when both were in their primes. But that's blatantly revisionist. Stockton hit his prime a bit later than some other guys, and the first season he was in his prime, he was considered better than Thomas.
Maybe you can make a case for Thomas based on his 2 rings, but let's not make arguments that don't take context into account because we want to push narratives. Stockton had a brilliant and incredibly underrated career.
Players under 6'5" almost never win you championships as the clear main guy. Steph Curry is an obvious exception here, which makes his run so incredible. The 3-point revolution plays a big part here, but he's obviously far more than just a good 3-point shooter. But if you look back, you see Jokic, Giannis, Kawhi, Durant*, LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, D-Wade!, Dirk, Boston's big 3, the blue-collar Pistons (with no clear main guy statistically), Jordan/Pippen, Olajuwon, Magic, Bird, Kareem, the Bad Boy Pistons (again, with no clear main guy statistically), Moses Malone/Dr. J... you have to go all the way back to the 1978-79 Seattle Supersonics led by Gus Williams (I had no idea who this was) to find a championship team clearly led by a guy under 6'5".
when your game revolves around giving other people the ball, it's really really hard to will your team to a win. All you can do is try to pass a little bit better so your teammate is a little bit more open. Even if you're a score-first guy, I suspect it's just way easier to double a 6'3" 180 lb guy than it is to stop a 6'7" 230 lb guy. In the end, it's out of your hands whether they make or miss the shot. Using championships to evaluate PGs under 6'5" just feels like a flawed measure.
My suspicion is that a superstar PG + an above-average forward = an above-average PG + a superstar forward, but it's harder to find the first combo because truly great PGs are harder to find.
@@sethmcclain5007 *all-nba is media voted
I’d even put Toni Parker and Gary Payton over Chris Paul. Gil is wildin on Zeek tho 😂
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@@ctbcardinal Facts
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Zeke had above 20pts, above 10ast and above 2stl for 5 season straight. He's neither overrated nor a bad defender.
Magic is definitely the definition of a point guard
For someone who played in The League, you'd think he'd be able to understand the concept of allowing your teammates to guard their man. Considering most of the biggest scorers in his day weren't his man, Isiah didn't get the assignment. Who you want him to guard? Hakeem? Ewing? Malone? Clyde? Look deeper into the numbers and you'll see that the games he was guarding the scorers, they scored less.
Brandon Jennings the only one who talks with sense on here and J-Mart when he’s on here
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Magic Johnson
Steph Curry
Oscar Robertson
Isiah Thomas
Chris Paul
Isiah Thomas was one of top 3 to ever play the point guard position period… mic drop!
It’s definitely debatable between Stock and Zeke..Can’t go wrong with either frfr..Stock was the PERFECT PG far as setting the table and had GREAT 1v1 defense while Zeke was the PERFECT ALL AROUND PG that can get his own bucket and still set the table with aggressive defense that works with a great defensive team
@@shinsukecorbin425 No debate at all Zeke is above Stock! 2 rings!
Oscar steph and magic are bwtter than it. And of were considering jerry a pg than hes better than it as well
@@JohnnyRodgers3… what made them better … my McCant voice to Jennings
He wasn't better than Magic, Oscar, Kidd, or Derrick Rose before Rose got hurt
Tyson chandler was the 2nd most important player on that mavericks team along with Terry being a 2a or 2b but that defense chandler brought was so important.
good point
Fax. Kidd was 4 on the squad.
Plus Matrix was there too
@@xkaosG definitely your not wrong! J kidd playing point was huge too. Marion was so versatile, could post up and drive and shoot occasionally! But most importantly guard 1-4.
@seahawkblazing9253 you wanna talk about an all defense snub, Marion never made an all defense team despite being top 30 all time in defensive win shares in the NBA
One of the most entertaining basketball debates I've heard in a minute 🤣
Jennings instantly commenting at the camera 😂😂😂😂
What debate is that all I heard was Gill's mouth sprouting BS
Soon as he said “Magic wasn’t a point guard” I knew what type of show this was about to be
Gil my guy but he does not realize how good Zeke was, he was the best player on his team by far and one a National Championship as the best player. He was never not the alpha dog on his team and was the smallest player.
Brandon talking directly to the camera to Zeke lol "let it be known"
Bro Gil gotta know Zeek gone see him about that. Guaranteed.
How is Gary Payton not better than Chris Paul?
Gary a better defender CP a better scorer/shooter better passer. CP has defense too but not on Gloves level.
@@jspears19 no cp isn’t a better passer they are even in that area. Only thing Chris Paul does better is shoot 3s.
Gary wasn’t elite long enough. Other than defense, Chris Paul beats him in every category
@@MegaKhalid121 CP3 is a choker
Russell Westbrook is better than both.
Magic is a true point guard. Yes, he was 6'9" but the epitome of what a point guard is.
Lmao no way. It’s okay to say he’s the goat point guard. But no way in hell wes he a true point guard. I never heard anyone consider Magic a true point guard
@holdmyweight3597 why, cause he's 6'9"? If so, height doesn't make you a pg it's your mindset. And his mindset was that of one who would get everyone involved and be an extension of the coach on the floor.
@jlsmith-hs8rf Yes height is a big factor but that’s not the only thing. Magic was a triple double threat. Sure he’s arguably the goat point guard but that doesn’t mean he was a true point guard, and that’s okay
@@holdmyweight3597he was a pass first guy who set up his guys in half court and lead the fast break from the middle of the floor? Magic could also control a game whether or not he was a scoring threat. Would you be willing to give your outline of what a “true point guard” is if not the attributes I listed out?
One of the best segments of the show, to this day!
Gilbert doesn't know his NBA history. They were not always picking NBA guards off of positions. From 55-56 to 87-88 the NBA picked 1 center 2 2 Forwards and 2 guards. So some of those 5 years from 81 to 93. Zeke and Magic got picked together.
Also the players didn't pick the teams. The writers did. Gilbert Stockton asked Zeke to introduce him at the Hall of Fame because he was better
Knows it doesn’t respect it
@@mrjay3047 clearly doesnt know it based on the above comment
Shiiii without the PnR I don’t think Stockton was all that
@@richardmatthews2807 All time steals leader ? Also you can’t just eliminate the most used play of all time to fit your narrative lol
No, he asked Isaiah Thomas to introduce him because he played longer than Isiah, Thomas and Isaiah Thomas was already in the Hall of Fame.
JS Career Assist game against IT
Detroit Pistons - 19 Assists
Date: November 12, 1993
Stats: 9 Points, 5 Rebounds, 19 Assists, 2 Steals, 0 Blocks
It was the fifth game of the season and Stockton decided to have his best game ever against the Pistons. Stockton had 19 of the team’s 29 assists as five players finished with double-digit scoring. Malone led the way with 28 points and 15 rebounds. The Jazz easily defeated the Pistons 109-89, which included leading 60-43 at halftime.
CP3 gets no love. You can’t name another PG that’s as high as he is in all time assists but not even top 40-35 in TOs all time this deep in his career is crazy. The top 5 leading assists men are all top 10 in TOs as well except CP3
he gets no love because he doesn’t know how to win at the highest level
@@troysdogtraining he doesn’t know how to win by playing with 1 HOFer his whole career in Harden? Didn’t even get 20 gms in with KD last yr. Name the HOFers CP3 had played with to win with? The yr they made the finals, he led them to the finals at age 36 as a pass first 6ft PG, meanwhile Book younger and cost them the game by choking
@@tarrellsmith3260cp3 gets hurt and chokes in crucial moments, most blown 2-0 leads ever by a player in the playoffs ..
@@AP-ig5pi idk how you “choke” in the playoffs averaging more ppg in the playoffs than regular season as a PASS FIRST POINT GUARD at ages 33-37 yrs old. Let’s talk about CP3 being the only HOF PG that has only played with 1 HOFer his whole career🤔 Can’t count last yr cause he only played 7 games with KD and Book not a HOFer. Imagine saying CP3 “choked” on a 2-0 lead at age 36 averaging 28ppg and LEADING the Suns to the finals where Booker literally did nothing but turn the ball over for the GW bucket by Giannis to cap off the final’s victory for the Bucks. Let’s talk about Blake bring injured every playoffs in LA or not showing up in the playoffs. Let’s talk about CP3 in N.O. with no HOFer to help or any superstars🤔 David West ain’t seen an All Star since CP3 left, DeAndre Jordan ain’t seen an All StR since CP3, Blake literally went to shit without CP3 and became a bench player, Crawford was never heard from again, Reddick had to retire without CP3 making him look good and I can go on
@@tarrellsmith3260 The suns were up 2-0 in the finals and cp3 played trash and turned the ball over in crucial moments, CP3 literally had an infamous turnover against OKC in 2013 or 2014.. he was hurt in crucial moments when he was on the Rockets.. As for how many hall of famers he played with you’re right it hasn’t been the same as other superstars, but he had Harden in his prime, prime jordan, griffin, with a 6th man of a year, hall of fame coach at the time and still never made it to the WCF with them. Cp3 has always been able to elevate a team throughout the regular season, but chokes in the biggest moments
Gil was making good points tbh. There's no way I lead the league in assists/steals and you try to say someone is a better point guard than me because of two chips. The disparity between 15k and 9k should speak for itself. It's also crazy to say stats don't matter when we literally use them to measure a player's consistent impact on the floor. The eye test also matters equally but can never replace stats. That being said no way Zeke is overrated lol I can't cosign that one.
right? I hate this whole "the stats don't matter" thing because the stats don't matter until you make a good point about somebody favorite player n then they RUN TO THE STATS to prove a point. The narrative is never consistent n stats only don't matter when its convenient for argument purposes. It's the FUCKING nba. it's NOT HARD to pass the eye test dog, you're literally talking the 450 best players in the world, out of multi-millions that play n I think it's the most INACCURATE WAY to tell how good someone else, because the "eye" test is exactly how we end up with busts LOL. .
~ I am not suggesting that you and others aren’t critical thinkers.
Stats matter to an extent, if you ever read the book how to lie with statistics ~ it would bring a clearer understanding of what I am stating.
The determining factor should be how the stats led to winning. Winning IS THE ULTIMATE determinant in measuring success and greatness. Basketball is a team sport. Stats measure the tangibles, the eye test measures the intangibles.
Isiah Thomas is the first, “small” player to be the best player on the team leading the team to championships.
Prior to the Bad Boy era ~ Isiah was a top flight scorer and assist guy ~ compiling stats~ but not winning.
Listening to Gil’s awful takes is one thing, but reading the comments and seeing the disconnect and lack of critical thinking is what bothers me.
If you took the best GM’s of all time: and you had Isiah Thomas, John Stockton, and Chris Paul as the top three choices, I’m sure that Zeke would always be the first guy drafted to lead their team.
Gil disrespects the older generations, much like many of the younger generations who use only use “stats” and highlights as the measure of who better.
The same debate with “skill” and “athleticism “”
~ so many assume that modern players are so far advanced because of “how it looks” in the highlights ~ I discount much of what Gil says when he talks of players that played in previous eras. Especially since he didn’t win anything and he’s a known talent that never won anything ~ more worried about his stats and highlights than winning.
At one point in time, the PG was equal to NFL quarterback in terms of teams winning and losing. They were given the same reference ~
Today it is all about stats. Like saying Drew Brees was a better quarterback than Tom Brady (before Tom played another 5 years and added more stats) ~
Without context, simply saying Isiah didn’t have the stats is a foolish argument, not understanding he sacrificed his offense so that others could score , and it was necessary for team success ~ which was the “JOB” of the PG.
I hate the debate, not because stats don’t matter, it is because the stats are used to frame a narrative, but without context it is just stats. Chris Childs once made an all-star game averaging over 20ppg. While playing for the then New Jersey Nets, I can remember his peers and former players all stating he wasn’t an all star and put up “stats” in a terrible team.
So I ask is Carmelo Anthony a top ten player of all time since he is in the top 10 in all time scoring? Because state matter?
Is Dirk better than Wilt, Shaq, Elvin Hayes because he scored more points?
That’s my debate on stats. You can use them to an extent, but they can not be the sole determinant of who is better.
Gil doesn’t make good points. Only to those that lack critical thinking.
FTR, I watched many of Gil’s games live, he had the Wizards rolling, it was great to see. The most exciting player in Washington Basketball history.
Highest career PPG average ~ yet he won’t rank in the top 5 of the franchise he had the most success with.
Gil talks a bunch of BS ! lol.
@@relevancy1123~ is Carmelo Anthony top 10 all time?
He’s too 10 in scoring. He has the stats.
Is Dirk better than Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, Moses Malone?
He scored more points?
Stats can be used to an extent. But they can and are most used to frame a narrative.
Basketball is a team game, how much a player wins is the ultimate measure determining success.
Oscar Robertson first, and Russell Westbrook after, are prominent cases of “stats” not being able to measure how good a player is ~ but winning while being a he leader ~ point guards are the defacto leaders of the team. “Why do you think so many ex point guards become the best coaches??!?!?!?!
Again, stats matter to an extent. But is isn’t the qualifier for greatness.
@@mobrown1198 there are stats beyond just scoring, though. Percentages from different sides of the floor, shot charts, true shooting, effective field goal, +/- stats… theres more than just “regular fg%, assists, rebounds, fouls, points.” so of course I’m not just basing it off of those NOR am I saying stats can tell the whole story, either. But when people start COMPLETELY DISCOUNTING THEM, ONLY WHEN ITS CONVENIENT FOR THEIR FAVORITE PLAYER, thats when I think the argument gets convoluted.
@@relevancy1123I mean if you go look up the stats the only thing stat wise in a season that John Stockton has more of then assist and steals and in steals Stockton is only beating him by .3 so let’s not pretend that if you bring stats into it that Stockton is better.
Top 5 PG for me
Magic Johnson
John Stockton
Jason Kidd
Steph Curry
Chris Paul
Love no Chill. I think he comes with the most logical takes the past year. I was born in 90. I definitely was not able to see Zeeke in live action. I just thought he was the dude who Mj didn’t like. Then I began to see all the players I admire show their admiration for Zeeke not MJ. It made me go look him up. What I saw can’t be unseen 😂 he was straight gas!!!!!
These are the best dudes on the internet. All facts , no punches pulled . But when Gil is wrong its 5x better 🤣
Gil's takes are bi-polar. One day he's spot on.. genius basketball mind. Then next day.. he's bat-shii crazy.
Man this a perfect take on Gil’s off & on basketball mind.. he makes sense on 1 debate then other debates he sounds outrageous
LMAO SON I was saying the same thing 🤣😭🤦🏽♂️
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Gil calling Zeke overrated is crazy.