The Liverpool to Manchester Railway. Edge hill engine station
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2022
- The Liverpool to Manchester Railway. Edge hill cutting was built by George Stephenson. The cutting is on the approach to The Crown Street station the Liverpool terminus of the Liverpool to Manchester railway. The cutting held the static steam engines that hauled railway trucks up the Wapping Tunnel. It was also adorned by the Moorish arch. George Stephenson's wonderful piece of Moorish architecture. We also take a brief look at the Crown street tunnel. This is the birthplace of the modern railways.
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How can it be that we have such significant history literally under our feet ....... and be unaware of it?
The place should be a historic place of significance, recognised as such and preserved!
Martin, you do yourself (and us) proud!
Like battlefields...unlike the USA, many of these historic places are simply forgotten about and the general public are unaware of their existence.
Absolutely. What a superb visitor attraction this could be. It would be public money (levelling up) very well spent in my opinion.
Sorry Dave, didn't see your comment before I wrote mine. We couldn't agree more 👍
Not all of us are unaware of it.
@@terryhutchinson6503 Of course Terry. That's why we watch and gain such a great education. I meant further afield than those who are obviously fascinated with our history.
I am of the same outlook and feelings as you, as I was fortunate to be invited to visit this wonderful place in July 2923. In next few years It Will Have The Official Stature It Deserves!.
Thankyou , I agree with you an unbelievable place , how could this colossal historical structure be forgotten.
As a child of twelve (1973) I couldn’t understand why a small station like Edge hill had so many railway lines and carriages around it .
My parents didn’t know either, my “school “ was only four miles away and adjacent to the original railway line but it was never taught.
So much lost heritage but I now hope like you that this world heritage construction has a future, imagine being able to take an electric (battery ) tram / bus from Edge hill to the docks .
There is nothing like this in the entire world.
Best wishes Steve.
Should be a world heritage site, it's beautiful. Should not have been vandalised like this its such a shame. We should all be proud of this tunnel. Thanks for a fab video. ❤😊
Pretty amazing stuff, this is almost like seeing Mayan ruins from a long lost once grand civilisation being uncovered!
Thats how it felt Peter
Even more amazing if you found any in Liverpool! 😉😉
I've always loved the approach to Lime Street, especially in the summer with hanging vines and green-tinged light illuminating the mysterious ruins. The same thought as yourself regarding a lost civilisation has struck me on many an occasion so had to comment!
@@MartinZeroHi Martin if you’re ever in Liverpool again you should check out the pictures on the walls at the Childwall fiveways pub, there’s pictures showing the excavation work taking place at Edge Hill, obviously I’m sure these pictures are available elsewhere and I’m sure there are others if you know were to look.
I’ve not long finished as a trackman , luckily I’m still in the railway industry (on the training side of the industry). I’ve pretty much worked from edge hill and all the way chat moss on various rail projects. The Chat Moss line is just one big long piece of history including many of the stations and the infrastructure along the chat moss route . Great vid again mate , always good to see you in my hometown.
This is part of British history. It's part of the Industrial Revolution that can be stepped into, explored and touched but not for long if left to decay. If there's anything that should be 'listed' and preserved then it's this. Great informative and educational vid.
Martin!!! Brilliant!! Another amazing history lesson, so well put together. Such a crime that such a unique, historically important piece of British industrial architecture is being overtaken by nature, and hidden away from the public. Isn't there any way that the whole site can be cleared, stablised and then somehow made available for the public to view?? These places are integral to what made Britain a world beater. Its a complete tragedy to see our amazing history gradually crumbling into the undergrowth. Thank you Martin for bringing this history to life for us👍👍👍 keep doing what you do. Because we need someone to do this vital work.
All best wishes. Lee .
I moved to Scotland and am always amazed how many grants we get via Westminster for the most mundane projects you could imagine ,none of which are of any use . Pity some of the money couldn’t be diverted to start this project , would definitely be worth every penny
I'm sorry Lee... But you have to remember that we are no longer allowed to celebrate our past.
Indeed. On a daily basis we are told (nay, TOLD) we must apologise for our history.
Because we did it all on "slave labour".... Mmmm...
Well, my folks going back hundreds of years never made a penny out of "slave labour".
I'd be surprised if your folks did....or even very few readers on here.
Indeed, many of my forefathers were slaves to the system of the era long after the Slavery Abolition Bill.
We still had kids down mines...up chimneys.......
I wonder how many "slaves" were employed in the construction of these works depicted here..... None.
Not in the accepted sense: They were all locals. Working for a pittance. But the job got done.
For the country...... because that was how it was. We moved on.
Sadly, some folk cannot.....
Some people, like "Sir" Lenny Henry deem it necessary to remind us of the past.
Trying to make us choke on our history...whilst he can forget the atrocities of "his fellow people". Nauseating.
(Hardly surprising...given his total lack of talent in any other area.)
I will never, ever, "apologise" for my nation. To anyone. Least of all, to any hypocrite.
Sorry. I digress.
I agree.... Why is this place not showcased.....? I don't know.
The Manchester end of the line is a fine museum. First Passenger Railway Station in the World.
Take care.
@@patagualianmostly7437 You're correct about the slaves (as they worked in the plantations in the Americas & Asia), but the fact that the aristocracy exploited both slaves & the common people is unfortunately a part of history that can't be altered. In fact we should always remember the past so we can prevent those negative & painful aspects of society occurring again!
My dear brother in the Love of what the Railroad History does to BOTH of us!! Thanks to you, Martin, I got to have a religious experience as if I were there with you! It just BLOWS MY MIND as it apparently does yours! I applaud your work and I'll give you a ring here and there (so to speak) and watch for more exciting adventures!! I AM HOOKED my friend, thank you!!
Thanks very much Paul
The Liverpool to Manchester Railway also brings my Beatle-Mania to near boiling! I've been an accomplished guitar player, thanks largely to the work of the Fab 4! I remember everything from their first ever show, and I was 6 (1958)! That's enough outta me!
It is simply amazing to make comparisons with railway engineering only five years previous. This was on such a Herculean scale!
The maps make all the difference, great presentation...thanks mate
Another mind blowing view of history brought to life!
Great job Martian!
Thanks Adam
Just came across your video by accident, as a kid and adult I've taken the train from lime street to roby more times than I could count I would look out of the window at all the abandoned tunnels and infrastructure and wonder what it used to be like , I remember the old train sheds at edge hill that was a scrap yard before it was demolished years ago , thanks for the video very informative
Thanks a lot for the video. I grew up in Liverpool from the age of 12. I've just spent ¼ hour studying Google maps following the line of the Wapping tunnel. It's amazing how much is still too be seen. The arches and the end by the docks, the cuttings by the docks and another two ventilation towers. There's even a newish building that's been built in two parts so it doesn't sit on the tunnel. This should be preserved and opened to the public, again thanks from South Germany.
The amount of excavation of the building of the cuttings and tunnels in that sandstone was one hell of an achievement, Martin. If the cutting was completed in 1830, then it must have taken quite some time before that date, to start on the job. Just think, no heavy plant machinery or anything near that. The whole thing is a mind blower, and many thanks for producing this program with very good explanation and photos included. The steam tunnel to Edge Hill - incredible, by the way.
Even though sedimentary-sandstone is relatively soft, the navies dug it all out by pick & shovel, so quite an achievement!
Truly Astonishing
There was a gentleman who was so rich that when Liverpool fell on hard times he paid people to dig tunnels to keep employment up, there called the Williams tunnels
Fantastic! You do yourself proud with every single video! You deserve to be on tv 😗
Thanks Charlie
Wonderful engineering for that times. Could they even do this today. Great video thanks
Gobsmacked and mesmerized !.......I am speechless actually... I usually wait before I watch your videos, Martin, they are so fantastic, and I am transported out of any depressive state I might be in ! Thank you for all you do ..
Thanks very much Annne, glad you find them Cheerie
Superb work. This is a true historian at work.
Thank you 👍
Amazing. For all the TV documentarys I've seen....yours is the first to fully explane that cutting area....👍
Cheers Ian
Martin, greetings from Ireland, thanks for making my Sunday night so enjoyable.
I'm breath taken that it all arill exists in the centre of a modern city. Such a shame that its not open to the public but makes your video all the more special. Thank you.
Ive gone through this station all my life and for 4 years day to day, its a shame its been left the way it is. It was literally the start of our modern age and would be another huge tourist attractin to Liverpool
Wow, my tiny mind finds this architecture beyond comprehension. Liverpool sure looks interesting with all its conduits and tunnels and dungeons. It's a whole life, almost forgotten. Thanks 🌼 🤗
Looks so Amazing and Advanced for Horse and Cart Technology 🤩
If you think that's impressive then check out 'The mole of Edgehill' who excavate a rabbit warren of tunnels to give employment to the locals: ruclips.net/video/DEhJ3scy3QA/видео.html
Martin! You've done it! The Holy Grail.
We've all grown up looking at those drawings/paintings in the railway history books.
Tunnels and Trains. Two of my most favorite topics that Martin is a master at documenting and making great videos of.
Thank you
Love the enthusiasm for history and engineering - it's great - thanks!
Fascinating, should be made a world heritage site. Thanks for taking us on a historic journey 👍
Wow that was just fascinating to watch when you think of all the work that's gone into those tunnels and the engineering involved from back in the day. The whole site is just amazing full of History. You always find these really historical places which are a real treat to look, it's just a shame sometimes that these places aren't looked after so they don't just collapse over time and get filled in. I'm looking forward to the next episode now the walk down the tunnel.
I totally agree!
That artwork at the start is AMAZING..... "The Lost City of Petra" in Jordan came to mind, Hmmm. Martin, you are so lucky to have so much history to explore and to help keep the story alive. I would rather spend 4 days there than at Disneyland any day. George Stephenson was a amazing man. Thanks to you and your team and network rail.... Will have coffee at the ready for the next video. "Where's James?"
Disneyland....Ha ha ha... That cracked me up...big style!
@@patagualianmostly7437 I'm not joking..... "REALLY"
Wow, and double Wow!!! Great history lesson, never expected to see this up to date view of a classic picture, brilliant. Roll,on the next vid👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻❤
This is one of those videos where there's something interesting to see in every shot
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Another one of Martin's Marvellously Magnificent Mind-blowing Mega-interesting Documentaries, I'm burning with curiosity and eagerly looking forward to part two ❗
An excellent series of well put together, informative, interesting, well presented and cross referenced films. Thank you Martin.
Thanks very much
Well done Martin, always welcome in Liverpool. Love your obvious enthusiasm for your subject. Would love to see you make other Liverpool based subjects ie some of the outstanding architecture and buildings in the city would be great.
Hi Mark... Yes, he does a brilliant job of illustrating the histories of our two fabulous cities.
(Can you tell me of any other two Cities...just 35 miles apart...that have done the same for the world?)
I watch from the other side of the world...and I love to hear his accent... from my childhood/teenage/Adult years!
So glad that you can appreciate it too. Stay well.
Very interesting vid Martin ,look forward to the next one ,beats anything on TV
Thanks very much Steve
Martin and the chap’s 💪🧠🤝 sending good thoughts…..💙Nathan 🙋♂️🙏
Hello from Kansas 🇺🇸
something so historically important should be restored and preserved
I know, thats how I feel
brilliant martin very educational very interesting
Your videos are never a disappointment. All the info and backstory. Golden! Thank you from Bakersfield California USA and 40 miles from the world famous Tehachapi Loop railroad passage which I road as a passenger un 1971 just before all passenger service for this section was stopped for ever. Now it is only freight service. Google it and see all the tunnels. Thank you. 💪🏽🙏💙🐝
Thanks Katherine I will
This should be a tv series 👍
Fantastic Martin, industrial history at its finest on a par with the canal trap door well done bloody amazing thanks. 😊
A truly unique and insightful video presentation of one of the great breakthroughs in the industrial revolution that changed the world. Well Done Martin & Thank You
You are a great story teller and you know what your talking about great stuff as always
I loved the video thanks Martin 👍
This is one of your best videos Martin, thank you for all your research and hard work.
All that worlds first railway history lying dormant and overgrown its almost a crime. Would make a world class working museum and i reckon it would be very busy too
I bet it was very tempting to go down that piped steam tunnel towards Edge Hill station.
It was Mary
Absolutely amazing, you do such amazing research for the then and now pictures. Makes it so much easier to learn and imagine how history has changed. Amazing video as always keep up the amazing work
Cracking vid. I was alerted to your channel by Hull History Nerd, who's doing a series on watercourses in Cottingham, Hull. He describes you as 'a brave man' and he's not wrong there! I spent many years in Manchester, and have travelled between there and Liverpool by rail many times. You really do get a sense of awe, seeing the massive cuttings out of the train window.. Somehow it's even MORE amazing when it's raining, so it's amazing a helluva lot of the time! 🤣I look forward to seeing more of this fascinating and valuable content. Nice one Martin! 👍
Fantastic video of a truly remarkable place in our history. Well done.
Giving this video a "thumbs up" doesn't seem enough. Wonderful video!!
Thanks Ace
The scale of the effort to produce the cutting through solid rock is staggering when the technology of the day is considered.
this was mi play ground wen i was a young lad in the 60s and 70s
Amazing, all this stuff all around, and not many people know.
That mention of the Wollaton waggonway, that is one end, Wollaton Hall and estate, but the other end was up in Strelley village, quite literally just around the corner from me. You can still find "shadows" of it in the grounds around Strelley Hall if you know where to look. It supplied coal from the bell pit mines to Wollaton hall.
Someone needs to get some video of that! I stopped the video at that same place so I could look up the Wollaton Hall area. I know Nottingham doesn't seem to have nearly the same number of urbanex ruins that the Manchester area does, but there are *some* I have come across just in casual Google maps exploration and they don't appear to be as well documented, either. Wish we had a Martin Zero in the east Midlands.
@@alexac3098 Yeah, Nottingham has been kept fairly "tidy" in terms of old constructions, especially in and around the centre, mainly due to the city centre being quite a small area for a mid-size city. Of course we do have things like the old rail tunnels under the centre of town and also the hundreds of caves, but sadly most of those are completely inaccessible due to private ownership and bricking up. There are still plenty of old rail routes still visible if you know where to go looking.
Fabulous Martin. It gives me a great deal of pride to say that the first proper railway was in our area the great north west of England👍👍can’t wait for the next instalment pal.
Began watching the Wapping Tunnel video but came here when you mentioned this one preceded it!
Fascinating look into the very early days of the railways which should be preserved as much as possible!
That steam-tunnel to Edge Hill Station explains the reason for that tunnel that runs along the rear of the boiler-caverns!
Martin, you have excelled yourself here. I think this is your best video yet. You are dead right. It is fascinating!!!!
I always find it stunning just how precise the brickwork on these things is
It's a shame though that a lot of places like these are left to rot away and be forgotten
Can't find the words. What an incredible explore. Brilliant. So sad that it is hidden. Its splendour gone. Felt some scenes moving especially with the music. Another first Martin. Thank you. Waiting in anticipation on your follow up.
Thanks Shirley
Railways are always cool!
Indeed they are
Another well-researched and brilliantly presented video. Fascinating stuff indeed. Thank you!
Superb work Martin. You really do capture the amazing work of those days and your enthusiasm shines through. Thank you.
It’s always so sad to see shadows of our industrial past, echo’s still alive in the walls and structures all around us. Your videos always light up the past that help keep our history alive. Magnificent video as always Martin, very well put together. 🙌
Wow great history there martin many thanks for the work you all do fantastic keep it up I love going back in time x
The railways changed the world much, much, much more than the internet has. It is astonishing that the single largest invention has seen the best remains left to rot! This should be a heritage site and protected. The modern world owes its roots in large part to this site. Tragic really.
Brilliant brilliant brilliant. Seen another video about the cutout, by "Be here", but much more fulfilling by you...
Looking very much forward to the sequel.
Been into Liverpool many many times through Edge Hill and didn't know those original cutting where there. I do now, cheers Martin for another eyeopener vlog.
Really enjoyed that film Martin. It us much better being accompanied by Network Rail employees. It gives your films higher qudos and authority that other urban explorers who are merely tresspassing. Well done.
I've always wanted to know more about this station! It can't be emphasized enough how confident the owners were that their railroad would be a success that they spent so much time and money to excavate and build such a monumental structure before even one train ran. That such an important part of Britain's railroad history is falling into ruin is despicable! This station and railroad made Liverpool and Manchester into the industrial centers they they are today!
Mmm.... Pinch of smelling salts needed there Bulletube.... Times change and neither Liverpool nor Manchester are the Industrial Power Houses they once were.... Long ago, yes. But mega Containerships have killed both places as "Ports".
Liverpool is trying to re-invent itself as a Cruise Ship Terminal..... Good luck with that.
Manchester was the Steam Locomotive constructor of its day. Worldwide.
Manchester had the biggest Industrial Estate in Europe.
Manchester. (I believe ). was the birthplace of the modern computer.
On the other hand: Liverpool was the birthplace of modern industrial unrest. Purely for political reasons.
35 miles or so seperate Manchester & Liverpool..... Unbelievable. Breaks my heart. It really does.
@@patagualianmostly7437 I know it's hard to believe but industrialization has ceased in many parts of the world as companies move to countries with cheap labor. But the cities do live on reinventing themselves as they always have. (I'm really an incurable optimist!)
Hi Martin, well done, another really great clip. Appreciate how you investigate and explain the details.
Incredibly interesting as usual, I had patchy knowledge of the tunnels and Crown st park. This video joins all the dots for me, many thanks Martin, wonderful stuff.
Amazing what is still around from years gone by. It’s was also built to last.
That was great Martin. A real eye-opener. It's a pity it can't be preserved as a museum with replica machinery to highlight the way it used to be. Mind you, the amount of overgrowth down there, it'll have its own little 'eco-system' to itself now. From a smokey hole to being part of the 'Lungs Of Liverpool', as it were. It's a pity it can't be managed to give Home-less folk a decent pitch in the bad weather...but that means spending money. A fantastic tour of the site and the tunnels. Thank you Network Rail for the guided access. Amazing stuff, Martin. You Keep Safe and Well. Cheers!
Nice one Martin 👍 once again you never fail to deliver an interesting video on subjects regarding our local railways, rivers, canals and their architectural infrastructure 😊
thank you Martin for all you hard work I love all this industrial History but sadly i'm disabled however with you efforts im able to explore these places through you channel ,
Thanks very much
Absolutely amazing history! Thank you so much from Australia.
Two words: Fantastic video! I thoroughly enjoyed it! I thought you did a great job at bringing the cutting back to life with the old drawings. And I know one thing for sure, you must've been absolutely gutted not to be able to go slipping off all the way through that steam tunnel! I know I would be! Cheers.
Awesome video again Martin and friends & the history behind it all & the tunnels are very impressive & shepped in history & I did a piece in my history exams back in the day of George Stephenson & his railway
another great video , thanks
This is one of the best explained Video I have ever seen by a guy who loves his History Thanks so much
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it 👍
Martin! You make the best content! I've said it before on another video, but I'm saying it again. The research and compiling of data, facts, maps, trivia, pictures and on-site video. So good!
Thanks very much appreciated 😃👍
Loved this. Had some knowledge of it - but yours was very informative. No James - No Brew! Sad! Missed him. LOL
Wow! That's amazing. It would be great if some of that whole system could be reconstructed. Just think what a wonderful method of teaching it would be. Much better for kids particularly than dry drawings and words.
Oh wow that book was published the same year I was born!
Many thanks Martin, that is so interesting, the work that must have taken is unfathomable. Your video is a testament to the navys. Take care.
Absolutely brilliant again Martin. Thanks.
Cracking video Martin, full of information as usual, well done , many thanks
Excellent presentation Martin, I’m very interested in industrial history, this episode was right up my street, I’ve seen a few of your documentaries and they’re all excellent, I live in Eccles and the history regarding the ship canal and the old Bridgewater canal is so interesting, I’m right there with you when I’m watching, thanks and well done
Martin, I really enjoy all your videos , this one however is one of your best. Looking forward to seeing part two.
Indeed wonderful and amazing this still excist!! Wonderful episode also👌🏻
That was kinACE... Cheers...
Oh wow! thanks so much for this , I had a lump in me throat half the time!
I use to go down there as a kid in the mid to late 70s as I lived in edge hill
This is fantastic. And we get a part 2. Doesn't get better than that.
Absolutely brilliant Martin looking at technology of the day
incredible history and craftmanship between 2 world changing cities, needs millionsto clear it and preserve it as a visitor attraction at both ends of the cities. thanks for a wonderfuly made video and i enjoyed your passion. well done m8.
Thanks very much Markus