@MovingPicsOfficial I think the times made her a villain. I think she's misunderstood, but caged in a circumstance I don't think she actually wanted. I am less of a fan of Charles than I am of her. She made choices from his coercion.
Messing up with a guy while he is engaged and during his Honeymoon up until the ruin of his marriage makes her an unhonorable woman at best. The most disgusting type of humans are those who stab others in the back
A little bit of both, I'd say. Sure, hooking up with a married man was definitely the false course - although I do believe that Charles was the person mainly responsible here. We gotta stop blaming the affair partners more than the cheaters themselves. But both Charles and Camilla were definitely victims of court politics. Charles should've never married Diana. It should've been Camilla from the very start. They were eachothers true loves from the start, and the court didn't allow them to be together and instead brought Diana into the game. As for Diana, although many people say Charles was the villain of her story, I also see her as more of a victim of court politics than as a victim of Charles. The courtiers lured an unsuspecting young girl into a marriage with a man who could never love her because he loved another, just to get rid of that other woman, and it terribly backfired because Charles and Camilla never lost their love for on another despite court politics. As much as everyone wants to villainize them, they were star-crossed lovers, and Diana just a victim who was sacrificed by the court as collateral damage.
@@shimanopetermann9068 Yeah if Charles hadn't been who he was he would have always been with Camilla and would have never pulled someone like Diana. He wouldn't have even tried. Diana's family should have been looking out for her but didn't. Basically two people whose romantic paths should never have crossed.
If it weren’t for Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother and Lord Louis Mountbatten none of this would’ve happened as Princess Margaret states “How many times can this family make the same mistake? Forbidding marriages that should be allowed, forcing marriages that shouldn’t and paying the consequences each time”
but that's the condition or consequences of being a royal. they are not considered normal individuals like us. they are kings and queens. they are the rulers and as a ruler, you think about the benefit of the people, you cannot involve your personal feelings. royals do not have that freedom. queen elizabeth is right in a way because she thought about the country and its people. she made that decision as a queen, not as a mother. and she is right. that's how she should be. diana was worthy to be the queen, more deserving than charles could ever be. and that camilla is nowhere near as good as diana. diana was way better than camilla in every way. as a royal, charles has to make the decisions for the country and make sacrifices. charles, a king who can't even sacrifice that camilla girl, for his country and it's people, .... that is not a good king. if he can't sacrifice and take the responsibility he should take, then he is unworthy to be the king. if he wanted that camilla that much, then he should have left royalty and married her instead. if he chose to stick with royalty, then he should have not cheated on diana.
Even though Camilla was also at fault for the breakdown of marriage and charles and Diana, she knew that if their relationship was made public she would get the whole blame. Even though charles was the most thick in this situation
@@RK-um9tuShe absolutely was at fault. She slept with a married man. She knew he was married. Quit making excuses for her. She is an adulteress, he is an adulterer - from day 1 - and they always will be. Edit: Just realizing that Camilla has some top notch PR if the takeaway from her blatant affair with Charles is that she's completely innocent and that Diana was in it for the money. What a horrible take. Diana was truly in love with Charles at the beginning and only discovered that Charles had no intention of honoring his vows until after she was already marriage. In effect, this trapped her and robbed her at any chance of real happiness for the rest of her life. She also took every chance she could to snipe at Harry using the tabloid press in order to boost her own image. She's the trashiest woman to ever be Queen, and far below QEII.
@@FumetsuGolf You made good points here, sir. I'm wondering if Diana ever thought of her own extra marital affairs? I think of the innocent wives and children that Diana may have hurt. A few of these wives I think filed for divorce from what I vaguely remember. I also know it is a commandment - thou shall not commit adultery. Charles remained with his one true love Camilla. I'm guessing that not everything can be blamed on Camilla and Charles infidelity or Diana's youth...
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc I think Diana was so unhappy at the state of her life and marriage due to the infidelity of Charles and Camilla - which was flaunted in front of her from day 1 - that she sought happiness and intimacy from wherever she could find it, often in people working in her household or security. Not excusing the behavior - her sleeping with married men is no less damaging to their marriages as was Camilla sleeping with Charles. Not all of her rumored affair partners were married , and I don't know what the men who were told Diana about the state of their marriages. However, I think she was so damaged emotionally by Charles and Camilla that she may have mentally minimized the damage she was doing in her desperation to find some semblance of happiness in the arms of others.
Also, just realizing that Camilla has some top notch PR if the takeaway from her blatant affair with Charles is that she's completely innocent and that Diana was in it for the money. What a horrible take. Diana was truly in love with Charles at the beginning and only discovered that Charles had no intention of honoring his vows until after she was already married. In effect, this trapped her and robbed her at any chance of real happiness for the rest of her life. Camilla also took every chance she could to snipe at Harry using the tabloid press in order to boost her own image. She's the trashiest woman to ever be Queen, and far below QEII.
And that is the opinion I rigidly have regarding all of this. He had options that Diana as an outsider didn’t. He easily could’ve divorced Diana sooner, Camilla could’ve divorced her husband, and the two of them could’ve spent the rest of their days together and Diana might still be here.
Listen, if they had been as ‘courageous’ 8 years prior a lot of heartache would have been non existent. He married a girl without telling her his true feelings. He will always be an ahole in my book. The fact Camille let him treat her and Diana the way he did tells me she is broken. These people are put on pedestals and are payed for by tax money. They get the best of the best from day one and they are forgiven if they take the life of an innocent (in every way) girl and mess her up beyond repair and people still have to bow their head for them. They. Are. Trash.
@@livingincaptivityIII I agree 👍. Diana and Charles just USED each other. Diana wanted the title of Princess of Wales and Charles needed to start a family. Diana was rebellious and difficult and defiant even to the queen!! Buckingham Palace should not have been so lenient with Diana or Fergie or Megan Markle. These women had too much time on their hands and none of them had any discipline to keep up their charities. Diana writes a book about Charles and Fergie having her toes sucked by her boyfriend and Megan Markle running out of the UK was a bit too much for the monarchy! Very sad. The queen had a full plate to say the least.
To the people commenting that this is just a TV show: While it was dramatized, it was true that Louis Mountbatten told Charles that Camilla "cannot happen" and he wanted Charles to marry his granddaughter, Amanda Knatchbull. When Charles did propose to her, however, she not only lost her grandfather in the assassination, but her brother as well, and she didn't like the idea of being the Royal Family under all that scrutiny. Meanwhile, the Queen Mother did want Charles to consider the Spencer girls, whose grandmother was her lady in waiting. She got her way with him dating Sara until he set his eyes on Diana. As far as Camilla, they got into it not knowing how deep it could get and when they realized they were right for each other, it was too late.
And Diana had the blood of Charles II lost in generations. Elizabeth's ancestor wasn't supposed to be king but the crown fell on his head due to Queen Anne being unable to have heirs despite many, many efforts. So Charles was doomed for the sake of the family. Good thing divorce was an option in his time.
Charles and Camilla hadn't been exclusive though. She married another man while Charles was looking for a wife and continued cheating on her husband. They became a proper item YEARS afterwards. Wdym they "didn't know how deep it would get"? They both made choices to betray people who loved them, and Charles made it clear on several occasions that Camilla is just suitable for him, she pampers him and does anything he says, that's why he chose her in the end. There is no grand love here. Not to mention how many other mistresses he had during all this time. It's just a story of two incredibly selfish people, who got everything by destroying others🤷
@@katherinejones9125From all accounts, the love of Camilla's life is Andrew Parker Bowles. It's why she remained the "main" in their open relationship and then open marriage. Charles was just another man on the side for her, Andrew Parker Bowles went along with the affair because it brought him career benefits. But then Charles foolishly outed Camilla as his mistress during the Dimbleby interview. Andrew Parker Bowles was then compelled to divorce Camilla to save his social reputation.
It's a mess. Charles should have married Camilla from the start. Diana might still be with us and happy. On one hand, I see this and cringe. On the other hand, this really is an example of true love.
With us? The unremarkable third daughter of a low level Earl would have remained under the radar like dozens of others. If you think she would have been known, think again. Even her charity work was directly tied to having married into the Royal Family. The after the divorce was final, Diana dropped over 100 charities from her list, keeping her 6 pets.
@@livingincaptivityIII Very good point here! Diana kept only 6 charities because they were the most high profile six charities and Diana wanted to remain in the public eye and not be forgotten. Diana probably knew that her "precious popularity" was dwindling and she had to hang on and COMPETE for the spotlight not just with other royals but with so many celebrities such as singers and dances and actresses etc.. If you want your place in the sun you have to put up with the blisters. Diana may have felt burned but never put yourself where you don't belong. Obviously Diana didn't belong with Charles they just weren't compatible....
Charles had no other option for him other than be devote to Camilla, but Camilla was devote to her first husband, Andrew, who was also devote to her in his own way without exclusivity, otherwise this open relationship would not have lasted for literal decades.
I do imagine it must have been very painful how the media dunked on her for being massively “inferior” to Diana, but when you’re a homewrecker in a ROYAL HOUSEHOLD you kind of ask for it
@@livingincaptivityIII Very well said!! Good point. Diana caused a few break ups and yet Diana wanted her own marriage in tact and respect THEM as husband and wife. I'm guessing that Diana and Camilla probably had one major but ugly thing in common after all. 😮😮😮
The RF should have let him marry Camilla in tne first place. And considered her as a potential bride , when she was still single. And she should have waited until he came back from that tour of Australia. Or wherever he was. By the time he got back she had married someone else
I don't buy this sympathetic portrayal of them. If she were truly a decent person, she would have given them a chance to establish their marriage and left them ALONE. It's called consideration & self-control.
Exactly!! My understanding is camila vetted Diana thinking she would be easy to manipulate thus the perfect girl for charles so they both could continue their affair.Boy did that ever backfire when Diana became so popular and loved.Served Charles right!
@@Kate-lk6tw Diana had her own mind. Which is a good thing however Diana had way too much of her own mind!! She just didn't know when to stop! 😭😭. Plotter and schemer ...
Oh PLEASE, Diana admitted that it was SHE who strayed first and was already on her third lover when Charles and Camilla turned to each other. Then Diana had dozens of lovers, some married. She met and bedded them at Kensington Palace. To the horror of staff and Royals.
"Having is not the same as wanting." That's what my very wise old Irish Grandma used to say. Charles wanted Camilla because he couldn't have her.......but now he has got her.........and they don't even live together. He lives in his royal residence and she lives in her own place and spends a lot of time with her Grandkids. It was exciting and thrilling for Charles and Camilla when it was forbidden fruit, but now the fruit has gone sour. It's called Karma.
@@lindamcharie1264No, I wouldn’t go that far. He throws tantrums at the drop of a hat. She humours him and she is a positive person. But Charles isn’t happy. I don’t think anyone in that family is.
Queen should have let Charles marry Camilla. Bc now after all their horrible actions, Charles and Camilla are gross and Everytime i see Camila i think 'Diana should be there'. Charles is so unlikeable in this series and in real life I'm guessing
So, let me get this straight? He's mad and she's intimidated by Diana for being kind to people and them publicly saying how much of an amazing person she is?
Honestly if Charles wanted to play the field and not get married or wasn't ready they should have just let him. The queen had other sons and daughter to inherit and they all had kids. It wasn't like the line was going to die out. It was never going to work with Diana.
Charles constantly told us about Carbon-emissions - whilst talking to Camilla during the DAY , with all those wall-lights and table-lights ( around them ) burning brightly .
I’m not quite sure you can take the crown (which is fiction and a tv show) to the actual person - remember this is based on real events but it’s not the truth!
@@ReD-kl3zyYou wish it was fiction. But all characters and events are real. The dialogue is the drama. And these versions are so much more likeable than the real thing
@@Kate-lk6tw i completely agree with you, but the original comment's gist was comparing the sets of a fictional tv show to an actual human. Characters and events are real, but the crown is a TV show which obviously has screenwriters, sets, etc.
@@Kate-lk6tw I feel like the fact that the lights are on in that scene might be a TV thing though, rather than a fact they know really happened with the real Charles & Camilla lol
Everyone needs to remember that despite the marriage they have today, Charles was still Camilla’s second choice. We wouldn’t have the mess that was made if he was her first, and only, choice.
@@Kate-lk6tw it may be in an opinion but it is based in logic. If you are in love with someone that you can’t be without, especially in this case if they are the prince of wales, you aren’t going off to marry someone else. You only do that if you love the other person more. Camilla loved Andrew more, but when Andrew became unfaithful Camilla went back to Charles because he loved her more than Andrew did.
@tarawrr20 what? Camilla wasn't some 20 year old girl working in a coffee shop in New Jersey in 2024, she was still part of the Aristocratic elite of England in the late 20. century. You best believe that you had to get married, whether you liked it or not. Besides, when Camilla and Charles met, Camilla was no virgin - which was a requirement to marry into the royal family. So marrying Charles was pretty much off the table from the get go. She married another man later on, yes, but everything else would've been like waiting on a miracle.
@@tarawrr20Camilla knew Princess Anne had a thing for Andrew PB. I think that's her nature to take something that belongs to another woman, someone she regards as above her socially and it feeds her narcissistic personality and self-esteem. She has a lot of internalized misogyny and was ruthless especially when she rode in the local hunt for decades. It's a barbaric sport where a fox is chased by dogs and horses and torn apart. That's what gave Camilla a thrill although now she's imitating Diana as patron of the royal ballet. As Oscar Wilde said "Imitation is the sikcerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness". Camilla being a low rent Diana in her old age. Disgraceful.
Unpopular opinion: If she was more attractive, Camilla and Charles would be the love story of the century. This is all about looks, and people (mostly women in this case) are just superficial.
@@RoseJacksonHRJBecause when defend a faith, ignoring its canon law is hateful behaviour. He is utterly despicable and I have given up on monarchy completely. Divorce and remarriage are prohibited by the Church of England but okay for their defender?
Charles should have tested both the womens by saying.... My brother Edward will become the king and his wife will be the queen.. And checked who really loves him.
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc .... Cant the prince of UK marry other English princess aristocratic families of EU, Italy, Dutch, russian, ukraine or even muslim princesses etc? because they are already princesses , so they wouldnt marry them for titles.Thats the only way, Royals can stay in power for long, if they are in good terms with other royals across the globe.Unless they are badly in LOVE and want to marry someone else(outsider).
Everyone needs to remember, Camilla and Charles could have married each other, they just would have lost titles. And it was her that married while he was away, breaking his heart. So he tried to move on but she wanted her cake and to eat it too. She liked having the sheltered royal wrapped around her finger. It's all her narcissism. And the Queen raised submissives, in order to control them. She loved her power too,,,it's all she had in the end. And she raised pathetic boys. Her daughter realising early to be immovable like a rock so her mother magnified her control over her boys and left Anne to herself. Ps. The royals didnt delete Diana,,,the zionist foundation did. Diana was speaking for Palestine and was marrying a Muslim. Her baby removed without consent in France. And that's when the royals realised they don't run Britain and they need to behave. And their legacy is worth nothing now. So why not make Camilla Queen. There's no further down
I love how Peter Morgan captured history in these scenes. And, if we are being fair, Camilla wasn't Charles' only mistress. But apologists go after Diana, who only pursued affairs as a response to Charles' intentional distance from her and mistreatment of her. Charles spotted dick left markings all over England. Getting back to the scene, what is emotionally true is that Camilla knew she wouldn't be as loved as Diana, and tried to get out, but Charles wouldn't let her go. Charles sold her out too.
Here they are having an affair while both married to other people. Here is Camilla describing what literally will happen. So the dialogue is dramatised, big deal. The characters and events are real AF, the outcome CPB describes here is what happened, and there is no changing that. That you don’t like it is just bonus. Suck it up.
If he wanted Camilla he needed the backbone to same that he would marry her and her alone. That is what is Mum who was Queen did and many others that were rulers like Queen Victoria too. If you cannot stick up to Mummy then you are not fit to become King.
she is an old woman who should have know better but then she used charles to get into his own wife’s face cause HER pathetic feelings are hurt??? Tell me ..who in their right mind does that?? she even stalked them from the side as she talked her way into his life even after that fact our beloved Princess is gone (R.I.P.) she still gets to wear that crown (stained w blood🩸) and she even wears the very jewellery that our late Princess wore! ..(and don’t come bite my arse telling me ‘it’s the Crown Jewels I know that! Still TACKY & unsettling)! ..she must be A true physco path for all I know ..
I was very much around and an adult during this time but not really aware of the happenings of the marriage of Diana and Charles until watching The Crown. What a great series . I remember when Diana died and the evening it happened. I was out with a friend in Seattle and when the news was spreading everywhere the emotions and crying of those around me was just unbelieveable. I watched her funeral and was over come with grief of the loss of someone who was loved by millions and truly was an angel on earth. Princess Diana the peoples princess is truly missed.
I don’t have much sympathy for her, but I don’t think she’s the villain. She did a terrible thing in sleeping with a married man, but that’s nothing compared to the crime of what Charles did. HE, who expected to be King, couldn’t even be bothered to keep his marriage vows.
If she was wise she wouldn't have gone out her way to make Diana feel small or literally HAVE AN AFFAIR with a married man. Now karma's come back to them. Queen for a year.😅
most of these so called events were NOT real, as they are depicting PRIVATE situations, the writers admitted that OF COURSE they made it up. IT IS TELIVISION, get a grip.
Huh? This is bollocks. Diana didn’t cheat until she gave up on Charles who was with Camilla the whole time. Diana was 19. Charles was 32. Ridiculous to hold her to the same standard.
Think it this way. Diana loved charles because he was the prince of England, her husband. Camila loved charles when she knew she could never be the princess or his wife or mother of his children. I mean her child will never be kings or royal. Hence Camila's love is more selfless. Camila loved charles for charles when he could never give her anything.. no title, no kids... i don't think she ever wanted to break Diana's marraige alsom
Camila... the most misunderstood and patient woman in royal history.. It is Diana who wanted it all and hence was unsatisfied and camila who wanted nothing, hence patient..
"Patient" Is a ridiculous term in the Charles-Diana-Camille situation, it's ridiculous for its' actual meaning. Charles had an affair with Camille, way before he got married to Diana. Camille divorced her husband. The Queen didn't want Charles, the heir, to be married off to a divorced lady, as per rules. If Charles had married Camille, not only would that have saved him from Diana and Diana herself but also lose the Royal titles. They may seem happy now but it should be kept in mind that their love didn't have enough respect and courage to lose Royal titles for their love to stay strong. Their egos and prides were greater than their love.
@@sha78962That's not the sequence of events. Camilla Shand and Andrew Parker Bowles are already in an open relationship, when Charles shows up and becomes a man Camilla beds on the side (while still being obsessed with Andrew). Charles becomes obsessed with Camilla, but also has other girlfriends (Anna Wallace, etc.). Charles is sent to the Caribbean because his great uncle Mountbatten wants Charles to marry his granddaughter Amanda Knatchbull. Camilla and Andrew are now in an open marriage, Charles keeps seeing Camilla. Mountbatten dies, Amanda turns down Charles's proposal. Enter Diana, Charles's continuing obsession with Camilla means that Diana doesn't have a chance and she has her own affairs. Charles reveals in an interview that Camilla is his mistress, Andrew divorces her, Charles maintains her full-time.
Was Camilla a villain or misunderstood?
@MovingPicsOfficial I think the times made her a villain. I think she's misunderstood, but caged in a circumstance I don't think she actually wanted. I am less of a fan of Charles than I am of her. She made choices from his coercion.
Messing up with a guy while he is engaged and during his Honeymoon up until the ruin of his marriage makes her an unhonorable woman at best. The most disgusting type of humans are those who stab others in the back
@user-cb7cz3ty5p Yes, but he was the one messing up, and he should get all the blame.
A little bit of both, I'd say. Sure, hooking up with a married man was definitely the false course - although I do believe that Charles was the person mainly responsible here. We gotta stop blaming the affair partners more than the cheaters themselves.
But both Charles and Camilla were definitely victims of court politics. Charles should've never married Diana. It should've been Camilla from the very start. They were eachothers true loves from the start, and the court didn't allow them to be together and instead brought Diana into the game. As for Diana, although many people say Charles was the villain of her story, I also see her as more of a victim of court politics than as a victim of Charles. The courtiers lured an unsuspecting young girl into a marriage with a man who could never love her because he loved another, just to get rid of that other woman, and it terribly backfired because Charles and Camilla never lost their love for on another despite court politics.
As much as everyone wants to villainize them, they were star-crossed lovers, and Diana just a victim who was sacrificed by the court as collateral damage.
@@shimanopetermann9068 Yeah if Charles hadn't been who he was he would have always been with Camilla and would have never pulled someone like Diana. He wouldn't have even tried. Diana's family should have been looking out for her but didn't.
Basically two people whose romantic paths should never have crossed.
If it weren’t for Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother and Lord Louis Mountbatten none of this would’ve happened as Princess Margaret states “How many times can this family make the same mistake? Forbidding marriages that should be allowed, forcing marriages that shouldn’t and paying the consequences each time”
Exactly
The crown is not a verbatum ‘this is how it went down’
That was made-up dialogue
but that's the condition or consequences of being a royal. they are not considered normal individuals like us. they are kings and queens. they are the rulers and as a ruler, you think about the benefit of the people, you cannot involve your personal feelings. royals do not have that freedom. queen elizabeth is right in a way because she thought about the country and its people. she made that decision as a queen, not as a mother. and she is right. that's how she should be.
diana was worthy to be the queen, more deserving than charles could ever be. and that camilla is nowhere near as good as diana. diana was way better than camilla in every way. as a royal, charles has to make the decisions for the country and make sacrifices. charles, a king who can't even sacrifice that camilla girl, for his country and it's people, .... that is not a good king. if he can't sacrifice and take the responsibility he should take, then he is unworthy to be the king. if he wanted that camilla that much, then he should have left royalty and married her instead. if he chose to stick with royalty, then he should have not cheated on diana.
@@reetiexell6408 She cheated first you know that right? not sure if it was the real estate tycoon or the head body guard first tho.
Even though Camilla was also at fault for the breakdown of marriage and charles and Diana, she knew that if their relationship was made public she would get the whole blame. Even though charles was the most thick in this situation
Camilla was not at fault. Diana knew what she was getting into, took the money, and then left...
@@RK-um9tuShe absolutely was at fault. She slept with a married man. She knew he was married. Quit making excuses for her. She is an adulteress, he is an adulterer - from day 1 - and they always will be.
Edit: Just realizing that Camilla has some top notch PR if the takeaway from her blatant affair with Charles is that she's completely innocent and that Diana was in it for the money. What a horrible take. Diana was truly in love with Charles at the beginning and only discovered that Charles had no intention of honoring his vows until after she was already marriage. In effect, this trapped her and robbed her at any chance of real happiness for the rest of her life. She also took every chance she could to snipe at Harry using the tabloid press in order to boost her own image. She's the trashiest woman to ever be Queen, and far below QEII.
@@FumetsuGolf You made good points here, sir. I'm wondering if Diana ever thought of her own extra marital affairs? I think of the innocent wives and children that Diana may have hurt. A few of these wives I think filed for divorce from what I vaguely remember. I also know it is a commandment - thou shall not commit adultery. Charles remained with his one true love Camilla. I'm guessing that not everything can be blamed on Camilla and Charles infidelity or Diana's youth...
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc I think Diana was so unhappy at the state of her life and marriage due to the infidelity of Charles and Camilla - which was flaunted in front of her from day 1 - that she sought happiness and intimacy from wherever she could find it, often in people working in her household or security. Not excusing the behavior - her sleeping with married men is no less damaging to their marriages as was Camilla sleeping with Charles. Not all of her rumored affair partners were married , and I don't know what the men who were told Diana about the state of their marriages. However, I think she was so damaged emotionally by Charles and Camilla that she may have mentally minimized the damage she was doing in her desperation to find some semblance of happiness in the arms of others.
Also, just realizing that Camilla has some top notch PR if the takeaway from her blatant affair with Charles is that she's completely innocent and that Diana was in it for the money. What a horrible take. Diana was truly in love with Charles at the beginning and only discovered that Charles had no intention of honoring his vows until after she was already married. In effect, this trapped her and robbed her at any chance of real happiness for the rest of her life. Camilla also took every chance she could to snipe at Harry using the tabloid press in order to boost her own image. She's the trashiest woman to ever be Queen, and far below QEII.
I think this is a perfect example of the main issue with the RF: Wanting the benefits of the modern world but the privileges of the antiquated one.
He should've had the balls to abdicate and marry Camilla
True. But the snivelling worm wanted to have his cake and eat it, too (Camilla and the crown).
BINGO…. The TRUE ANSWER. PERIOD!!!!!! Thank you.
Should have abdicated and went on their merry way. NOT A KING! DEFINITELY NOT A QUEEN!
Yeah, but than he would be like his Uncle David and his own son, Harry, and look how that turned out.
And that is the opinion I rigidly have regarding all of this. He had options that Diana as an outsider didn’t. He easily could’ve divorced Diana sooner, Camilla could’ve divorced her husband, and the two of them could’ve spent the rest of their days together and Diana might still be here.
And Charles took everything out on Diana... because she was being who she was...
An unstable disaster. Any man that she sunk her teeth into would have been miserable.
Sad. He will have to pay his karma.
@@PallaviDixit-kq9dlDiana had already paid hers 27 years ago.
@@PallaviDixit-kq9dl God forgives....
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jcHe doesn't if the subject isn't by people. It's written in the bible.
Listen, if they had been as ‘courageous’ 8 years prior a lot of heartache would have been non existent. He married a girl without telling her his true feelings. He will always be an ahole in my book. The fact Camille let him treat her and Diana the way he did tells me she is broken. These people are put on pedestals and are payed for by tax money. They get the best of the best from day one and they are forgiven if they take the life of an innocent (in every way) girl and mess her up beyond repair and people still have to bow their head for them. They. Are. Trash.
Yes, and he now heads the church. Blatant hypocrisy
He told Diana the day before the wedding that he did not love her. Why would he? He hardly knew her. Not the Diana beneath the facade, to be sure.
@@livingincaptivityIII I agree 👍. Diana and Charles just USED each other. Diana wanted the title of Princess of Wales and Charles needed to start a family. Diana was rebellious and difficult and defiant even to the queen!! Buckingham Palace should not have been so lenient with Diana or Fergie or Megan Markle. These women had too much time on their hands and none of them had any discipline to keep up their charities. Diana writes a book about Charles and Fergie having her toes sucked by her boyfriend and Megan Markle running out of the UK was a bit too much for the monarchy! Very sad. The queen had a full plate to say the least.
He was in his 30s and Diana was a teenager. Today he would be called a groomer and rightly so. Creep.
@@gnostic268
Only by historical revisionists with nothing better to do.
Well Camilla wasn’t wrong.
The dialogues are so good. I can imagine Camilla saying smth similar. Or thinking it.
Being a mistress runs in the family huh
To the people commenting that this is just a TV show:
While it was dramatized, it was true that Louis Mountbatten told Charles that Camilla "cannot happen" and he wanted Charles to marry his granddaughter, Amanda Knatchbull. When Charles did propose to her, however, she not only lost her grandfather in the assassination, but her brother as well, and she didn't like the idea of being the Royal Family under all that scrutiny.
Meanwhile, the Queen Mother did want Charles to consider the Spencer girls, whose grandmother was her lady in waiting. She got her way with him dating Sara until he set his eyes on Diana.
As far as Camilla, they got into it not knowing how deep it could get and when they realized they were right for each other, it was too late.
She also lost her grandmother.
And Diana had the blood of Charles II lost in generations. Elizabeth's ancestor wasn't supposed to be king but the crown fell on his head due to Queen Anne being unable to have heirs despite many, many efforts. So Charles was doomed for the sake of the family. Good thing divorce was an option in his time.
Charles and Camilla hadn't been exclusive though. She married another man while Charles was looking for a wife and continued cheating on her husband. They became a proper item YEARS afterwards. Wdym they "didn't know how deep it would get"? They both made choices to betray people who loved them, and Charles made it clear on several occasions that Camilla is just suitable for him, she pampers him and does anything he says, that's why he chose her in the end. There is no grand love here. Not to mention how many other mistresses he had during all this time. It's just a story of two incredibly selfish people, who got everything by destroying others🤷
@@katherinejones9125From all accounts, the love of Camilla's life is Andrew Parker Bowles. It's why she remained the "main" in their open relationship and then open marriage. Charles was just another man on the side for her, Andrew Parker Bowles went along with the affair because it brought him career benefits. But then Charles foolishly outed Camilla as his mistress during the Dimbleby interview. Andrew Parker Bowles was then compelled to divorce Camilla to save his social reputation.
It's a mess. Charles should have married Camilla from the start. Diana might still be with us and happy. On one hand, I see this and cringe. On the other hand, this really is an example of true love.
With us? The unremarkable third daughter of a low level Earl would have remained under the radar like dozens of others.
If you think she would have been known, think again. Even her charity work was directly tied to having married into the Royal Family. The after the divorce was final, Diana dropped over 100 charities from her list, keeping her 6 pets.
@@livingincaptivityIII Very good point here! Diana kept only 6 charities because they were the most high profile six charities and Diana wanted to remain in the public eye and not be forgotten. Diana probably knew that her "precious popularity" was dwindling and she had to hang on and COMPETE for the spotlight not just with other royals but with so many celebrities such as singers and dances and actresses etc.. If you want your place in the sun you have to put up with the blisters. Diana may have felt burned but never put yourself where you don't belong. Obviously Diana didn't belong with Charles they just weren't compatible....
Charles had no other option for him other than be devote to Camilla, but Camilla was devote to her first husband, Andrew, who was also devote to her in his own way without exclusivity, otherwise this open relationship would not have lasted for literal decades.
Camilla is the mother, he never had, and lover in one
Freud and Charles would have a lot to talk about…
More than one biographer has pointed out the physical similarities between Charles’ nanny and Camilla.
And her tampon causes him envy.
I do imagine it must have been very painful how the media dunked on her for being massively “inferior” to Diana, but when you’re a homewrecker in a ROYAL HOUSEHOLD you kind of ask for it
She was a Royal Mistress. Diana was the homewrecker.
@@livingincaptivityIII Very well said!! Good point. Diana caused a few break ups and yet Diana wanted her own marriage in tact and respect THEM as husband and wife. I'm guessing that Diana and Camilla probably had one major but ugly thing in common after all. 😮😮😮
The RF should have let him marry Camilla in tne first place. And considered her as a potential bride , when she was still single. And she should have waited until he came back from that tour of Australia. Or wherever he was.
By the time he got back she had married someone else
Charles has always been the second husband of Camilla for a reason.
I love how she calls him “sir.” She’s his one true love but calls him “sir.” 😂
She has to. I've read a lot about the royal family, and EVERY one of his lovers had to call him "sir."
I mean, Elizabeth's children bowed and curtsied to her even when they were alone with her. They kept up the formality (at least in the show)
@@nowaylaowai204It’s so funny! What a strange little island it is.
@@monmothma3358yes, the curtsied to the coffin multiple times. Anne and Sophie.
I don't buy this sympathetic portrayal of them. If she were truly a decent person, she would have given them a chance to establish their marriage and left them ALONE. It's called consideration & self-control.
Exactly. Both her and Charles were being selfish.
Exactly!! My understanding is camila vetted Diana thinking she would be easy to manipulate thus the perfect girl for charles so they both could continue their affair.Boy did that ever backfire when Diana became so popular and loved.Served Charles right!
@@MarciaDurkeeTotally this. Find a little English mouse, they said. But the mouse roared.
@@Kate-lk6tw Diana had her own mind. Which is a good thing however Diana had way too much of her own mind!! She just didn't know when to stop! 😭😭. Plotter and schemer ...
Oh PLEASE, Diana admitted that it was SHE who strayed first and was already on her third lover when Charles and Camilla turned to each other. Then Diana had dozens of lovers, some married. She met and bedded them at Kensington Palace. To the horror of staff and Royals.
Charles really loved her
Finally!! i have been looking for this scene since months
Emerald Fennel is so pretty
Being mistress ran in her blood. Oh god shameful. How women ruin other women out of their selfishness
Been looking for the scene on youtube
"Having is not the same as wanting." That's what my very wise old Irish Grandma used to say. Charles wanted Camilla because he couldn't have her.......but now he has got her.........and they don't even live together. He lives in his royal residence and she lives in her own place and spends a lot of time with her Grandkids. It was exciting and thrilling for Charles and Camilla when it was forbidden fruit, but now the fruit has gone sour. It's called Karma.
Really! But they always appeared so "United" after they got married!!!
Meh, if it works for them, why shouldn't they?
@@Anna-Jade I'm afraid your wrong it's quite obvious they are happy together
@@lindamcharie1264 Is it?
@@lindamcharie1264No, I wouldn’t go that far. He throws tantrums at the drop of a hat. She humours him and she is a positive person. But Charles isn’t happy. I don’t think anyone in that family is.
Queen should have let Charles marry Camilla. Bc now after all their horrible actions, Charles and Camilla are gross and Everytime i see Camila i think 'Diana should be there'. Charles is so unlikeable in this series and in real life I'm guessing
So, let me get this straight? He's mad and she's intimidated by Diana for being kind to people and them publicly saying how much of an amazing person she is?
Honestly if Charles wanted to play the field and not get married or wasn't ready they should have just let him. The queen had other sons and daughter to inherit and they all had kids. It wasn't like the line was going to die out. It was never going to work with Diana.
Charles constantly told us about Carbon-emissions - whilst talking to Camilla during the DAY , with all those wall-lights and table-lights ( around them ) burning brightly .
I’m not quite sure you can take the crown (which is fiction and a tv show) to the actual person - remember this is based on real events but it’s not the truth!
@@ReD-kl3zyYou wish it was fiction. But all characters and events are real. The dialogue is the drama. And these versions are so much more likeable than the real thing
@@Kate-lk6tw i completely agree with you, but the original comment's gist was comparing the sets of a fictional tv show to an actual human. Characters and events are real, but the crown is a TV show which obviously has screenwriters, sets, etc.
@@Kate-lk6tw I feel like the fact that the lights are on in that scene might be a TV thing though, rather than a fact they know really happened with the real Charles & Camilla lol
Most of the time, RUclips commenters complain that the sets on The Crown are too dark. You just can't please some people.
They really tried to deny their true love. Diana had more affairs than Charles
Leave this with me. He thought he knew how to get rid of Dianna, but he never will. Forever the Queen of Hearts.
Everyone needs to remember that despite the marriage they have today, Charles was still
Camilla’s second choice. We wouldn’t have the mess that was made if he was her first, and only, choice.
Yeah, she could buck the QM and Lord Mountbatten. The pressure on her would have been immense. The Parker Bowles marriage unravelled fast.
Also, we don’t need to ‘remember’ things that are just your opinion. Not how it works
@@Kate-lk6tw it may be in an opinion but it is based in logic. If you are in love with someone that you can’t be without, especially in this case if they are the prince of wales, you aren’t going off to marry someone else. You only do that if you love the other person more. Camilla loved Andrew more, but when Andrew became unfaithful Camilla went back to Charles because he loved her more than Andrew did.
@tarawrr20 what? Camilla wasn't some 20 year old girl working in a coffee shop in New Jersey in 2024, she was still part of the Aristocratic elite of England in the late 20. century. You best believe that you had to get married, whether you liked it or not.
Besides, when Camilla and Charles met, Camilla was no virgin - which was a requirement to marry into the royal family. So marrying Charles was pretty much off the table from the get go. She married another man later on, yes, but everything else would've been like waiting on a miracle.
@@tarawrr20Camilla knew Princess Anne had a thing for Andrew PB. I think that's her nature to take something that belongs to another woman, someone she regards as above her socially and it feeds her narcissistic personality and self-esteem. She has a lot of internalized misogyny and was ruthless especially when she rode in the local hunt for decades. It's a barbaric sport where a fox is chased by dogs and horses and torn apart. That's what gave Camilla a thrill although now she's imitating Diana as patron of the royal ballet. As Oscar Wilde said "Imitation is the sikcerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness". Camilla being a low rent Diana in her old age. Disgraceful.
Well imagine if Charles and Camilla did marry and had children.... We both know William and Harry's good looks come from Diana!!!
😂
Charles has always been a skowly little whiny beach.
Like everyone was dying of lung cancer and these people kept on smoking hahahaha
Unpopular opinion: If she was more attractive, Camilla and Charles would be the love story of the century.
This is all about looks, and people (mostly women in this case) are just superficial.
I agree. I don't really get why Camilla gets so much hate. She and Charles make one another laugh and that's beautiful.
@@RoseJacksonHRJBecause when defend a faith, ignoring its canon law is hateful behaviour. He is utterly despicable and I have given up on monarchy completely. Divorce and remarriage are prohibited by the Church of England but okay for their defender?
Charles should have tested both the womens by saying....
My brother Edward will become the king and his wife will be the queen..
And checked who really loves him.
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc .... Cant the prince of UK marry other English princess aristocratic families of EU, Italy, Dutch, russian, ukraine or even muslim princesses etc? because they are already princesses , so they wouldnt marry them for titles.Thats the only way, Royals can stay in power for long, if they are in good terms with other royals across the globe.Unless they are badly in LOVE and want to marry someone else(outsider).
@@kerty1111 Good point. Yes, if I am correct a princess from another royal house can marry into another royal house and keep their title. 🎉😊
Chinless Chazz is George IV all over again.
Yep, except for the fat. Otherwise, it’s uncanny. Architecture, waiting forever, fighting with his wife.
Course she'd win
As an American, I can’t get over calling your boyfriend, “Sir”.
Foreigners are amazed to hear of an American calling his father "Sir."
Its more like a figure of speech to emphazise your statement: "no, sir".
Even if its a woman.
@@faithlesshound5621 This is done for the respect and affection and admiration for our parents.
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc It reinforces our impression that Americans are strange, part-mechanical aliens, like Spartans and Prussians or Klingons.
@@faithlesshound5621 Nice try. You hate us because you ain't us. LoL 😅
Camilla is the mother, Charles never had, and a lover in one
Everyone needs to remember, Camilla and Charles could have married each other, they just would have lost titles. And it was her that married while he was away, breaking his heart. So he tried to move on but she wanted her cake and to eat it too. She liked having the sheltered royal wrapped around her finger.
It's all her narcissism. And the Queen raised submissives, in order to control them. She loved her power too,,,it's all she had in the end. And she raised pathetic boys. Her daughter realising early to be immovable like a rock so her mother magnified her control over her boys and left Anne to herself.
Ps. The royals didnt delete Diana,,,the zionist foundation did. Diana was speaking for Palestine and was marrying a Muslim. Her baby removed without consent in France. And that's when the royals realised they don't run Britain and they need to behave.
And their legacy is worth nothing now. So why not make Camilla Queen. There's no further down
I love how Peter Morgan captured history in these scenes. And, if we are being fair, Camilla wasn't Charles' only mistress. But apologists go after Diana, who only pursued affairs as a response to Charles' intentional distance from her and mistreatment of her. Charles spotted dick left markings all over England.
Getting back to the scene, what is emotionally true is that Camilla knew she wouldn't be as loved as Diana, and tried to get out, but Charles wouldn't let her go.
Charles sold her out too.
She was during his marriage.
@@Kate-lk6twNo, look up Lady Dale "Kanga" Tryon and Janet Jenkins.
Camilla did NOT act like this. This is the silliest, most contrived, fake show in the world.
Here they are having an affair while both married to other people. Here is Camilla describing what literally will happen. So the dialogue is dramatised, big deal. The characters and events are real AF, the outcome CPB describes here is what happened, and there is no changing that. That you don’t like it is just bonus. Suck it up.
A Villain! Once he marries, Delete his #
Actress too pretty. Actor spot on.
If he wanted Camilla he needed the backbone to same that he would marry her and her alone. That is what is Mum who was Queen did and many others that were rulers like Queen Victoria too. If you cannot stick up to Mummy then you are not fit to become King.
She was with someone else though...
She wasn’t acceptable. He couldn’t have convinced his mother
I didn’t know Camille looked like that 😮.
i feel like in almost every scene we see camilla, she is smoking.
Everyone knows he was meant for Camilla. I don’t understand why you’d cheer a couple that weren’t happy together. They were both miserable.
well she called it!
she is an old woman who should have know better but then she used charles to get into his own wife’s face cause HER pathetic feelings are hurt??? Tell me ..who in their right mind does that?? she even stalked them from the side as she talked her way into his life even after that fact our beloved Princess is gone (R.I.P.) she still gets to wear that crown (stained w blood🩸) and she even wears the very jewellery that our late Princess wore! ..(and don’t come bite my arse telling me ‘it’s the Crown Jewels I know that! Still TACKY & unsettling)! ..she must be A true physco path for all I know ..
I was very much around and an adult during this time but not really aware of the happenings of the marriage of Diana and Charles until watching The Crown. What a great series . I remember when Diana died and the evening it happened. I was out with a friend in Seattle and when the news was spreading everywhere the emotions and crying of those around me was just unbelieveable. I watched her funeral and was over come with grief of the loss of someone who was loved by millions and truly was an angel on earth. Princess Diana the peoples princess is truly missed.
ill see you in 2006
I don’t have much sympathy for her, but I don’t think she’s the villain. She did a terrible thing in sleeping with a married man, but that’s nothing compared to the crime of what Charles did. HE, who expected to be King, couldn’t even be bothered to keep his marriage vows.
As far as I know, Diana cheated first. And she cheated with married men as well.
Camila is very wise and wanted the best for Charles. She loved him and he loved her. Happy they ended up together at the end
If she was wise she wouldn't have gone out her way to make Diana feel small or literally HAVE AN AFFAIR with a married man. Now karma's come back to them. Queen for a year.😅
They ended up together but are they happy? That's the question.
@@Anna-Jade They seem very happy in both public and private. And Charles and Camilla also seem to be very compatible. 😅😅😅❤
@@Anna-JadeWell, he sure wasn’t happy with Diana sadly. So, I’d say him Camila are happy 🤷🏽♂️
@@JmagROCKS Sometimes we just take the lesser of two bad options. Life is very rarely a fairytale.
Okay…. This lady is far too beautiful for the role she’s essaying. She’s stunning. You gotta have that leathery skin & dandruff vibe! 😂
Charles is related to her great great grandmother. So hes related to camel.
I remember Charles and Camilla not being so sympathetic. I really believe they're not bad people after all.
Just filthy dishonest exploitative hypocrites
This Camilla is prettier than actual Camilla
God knows how tf Charles managed to find such mistress 😅😂
it is a Tv show not real life!
The events and characters are wholly real. As we know. So the dialogue is made up, so what.
most of these so called events were NOT real, as they are depicting PRIVATE situations, the writers admitted that OF COURSE they made it up. IT IS TELIVISION, get a grip.
It was Diana that said there were three in the marriage. There wasn’t until after Diana cheated. Camilla was clearly a better match.
Huh? This is bollocks. Diana didn’t cheat until she gave up on Charles who was with Camilla the whole time. Diana was 19. Charles was 32. Ridiculous to hold her to the same standard.
@@Kate-lk6tw Apparently she did cheat. Charles and Camilla were friends though. Yes she should have been held to the same standard, she was married.
Haha ya ok. You’re living in a fantasy
@@ems901 🤣
@@jujube8067They were "friends with benefits", it wasn't platonic.
Think it this way. Diana loved charles because he was the prince of England, her husband. Camila loved charles when she knew she could never be the princess or his wife or mother of his children. I mean her child will never be kings or royal. Hence Camila's love is more selfless. Camila loved charles for charles when he could never give her anything.. no title, no kids... i don't think she ever wanted to break Diana's marraige alsom
Camila... the most misunderstood and patient woman in royal history..
It is Diana who wanted it all and hence was unsatisfied and camila who wanted nothing, hence patient..
"Patient" Is a ridiculous term in the Charles-Diana-Camille situation, it's ridiculous for its' actual meaning.
Charles had an affair with Camille, way before he got married to Diana.
Camille divorced her husband. The Queen didn't want Charles, the heir, to be married off to a divorced lady, as per rules.
If Charles had married Camille, not only would that have saved him from Diana and Diana herself but also lose the Royal titles.
They may seem happy now but it should be kept in mind that their love didn't have enough respect and courage to lose Royal titles for their love to stay strong.
Their egos and prides were greater than their love.
@@sha78962That's not the sequence of events. Camilla Shand and Andrew Parker Bowles are already in an open relationship, when Charles shows up and becomes a man Camilla beds on the side (while still being obsessed with Andrew). Charles becomes obsessed with Camilla, but also has other girlfriends (Anna Wallace, etc.). Charles is sent to the Caribbean because his great uncle Mountbatten wants Charles to marry his granddaughter Amanda Knatchbull. Camilla and Andrew are now in an open marriage, Charles keeps seeing Camilla. Mountbatten dies, Amanda turns down Charles's proposal. Enter Diana, Charles's continuing obsession with Camilla means that Diana doesn't have a chance and she has her own affairs. Charles reveals in an interview that Camilla is his mistress, Andrew divorces her, Charles maintains her full-time.
Well Camilla wasn’t wrong.