I like the fact that you said 98% of the time it is the power pack. I have a 1977 like new real low hours 15 Johnson pull start from original owner. One cylinder quit but after warming the one up the next pull they both started. After a couple more times out same thing, one then two but then both quit and won't pop at all. Power pack on order and fuel pump. Just as well replace both due to aging more than wear and tear.
I'm glad it worked out, but could have been something as simple as a bad stop circuit or bad ground to the powerpack. The stator and timer base components can be checked with the flywheel still in place using an ohm meter along with a peak reading voltmeter.
Trust me I've worked on outboards for 35 years and when it comes to spark problems , losing spark or intermittent spark , very hard to diagnose. If only 98% of the time it was the cdi box . I'd even carry one as a spare on and off the water 😂😂😂😂
Thanks mate for your video. I think I have the same problem with my outboard motor. Nothing I searched on RUclips helped confirm my suspicion until I found your video. Can I ask which website you got your power pack from? Cheers happy boating
Power packs don't usually quit nearly as frequently as people think. Yes, if there is no spark it's either a powerpack, charge or sensor coil, or a bad connection somewhere (kill switch, bad ground, wires that barfed somewhere).
Going thru same issue. Only firing one cylinder , order all new. Coil and power pack just in case b, fingers crossed that it isn't the stator on my problem. 👍
TCMDOC did you ever get to the bottom of your problem? i am having the exact same issue with my 89' 70hp vro johnson.. only sparking on the bottom cylinder. and even that is hit and miss. once and a while the other 2 cylinders will spark once or twice. sounds like i am in the boat you were in..
I definitely do not concur with 98% of the time it's the power pack. I've had an awful lot of faulty kill buttons, bad N switches, faulty shifters and corroded battery cables come into my shop with the same spark issue. Always rule out the very minor issues before you cough up your cash.
Fernando Gomez search 'Dangar Marine' on RUclips. If you like to work on your own outboard he has a great You Tube site. If you have an outboard tiller motor more than likely you have a kill button. Check the contact inside the rubber boot of the button and make sure it's not stuck on the wiring contact posts of the kill wires. For kill switches and buttons check the wiring harness and wires and make sure you don't have a contact fault. 'If' your outboard is equipped with a neutral switch do a quick visual inspection for your selector switch and kill wires. It's pretty standard procedure to rule these devices out before spending $80-140 on a power pack. Good luck brother.
Do all 3 cylinders have to give out for it to be the kill switch issue or can it occur in only one cylinder? I have 2/3 cylinders that fire but while taking the boot from the spark plug wire of the spark plug on the cylinder not firing, I did receive a small shock to my hand. I believe that eventually it is firing but something is preventing the power pack from distributing the spark. Power pack is new and person who sold me the motor states that power packs do give out but usually have a long life expectancy. I do have issues with the shift box as well, which sometimes I notice that it wont turn on when turning the key switch. I have to give it some small taps with my palm and it will turn on after doing so.. Any tips help, thanks buddy..
Mr. FatBasstard, I'm going through a similar problem with my evinrude 70 hp. My motor ran fine last week but today I tried cranking it and it would not turn over. I'm only getting spark in the bottom spark plug so I'm not getting spark in the top two spark plugs. I know the coils and spark plug wires are good so does this sound like a power pack issue or something else? Also, I did notice the Bendix starter gear is stuck in the up position in the flywheel. Do you think this is related to the spark issue I'm having or is this a completely separate issue?
Nic Mullins that is definitely a power pack symptom. But never rule out the 'something else'. You never mentioned the year of your Evinrude 70hp or your starter model # but here's what I would do before taking your motor to the shop or forking out the money on a new power pack. Visually check all of your electrical connections starting from the battery box. R/R where necessary. Because of your starter issue I'm questioning a consistent stable output from the battery to the starter motor. Is your battery dedicated to your motor or does it run other accessories? If so try going straight battery to motor with clean secure connections. If that is not the prolbem I recommend purchasing a good reliable multi meter and youtubing/google 'Dangar Marine' Stu has a ton of good outboard repair videos. Including four or five videos on power packs alone. Depending on the power pack model, having spark in one cylinder does not mean the power pack is good and something is wrong in the motors electrical system for the remaining cylinders. Were you having any starter/starting issues prior to your two cylinder non-sparking issue?
i just got a 60 hp Johnson and it like your motor 1999 or 2000 oil injected and re carb ed for today's gas the shop i got it from did that to all it older motors before sale of them!
Hey john, before u bought the power pack, if u turned the key, I get absolutely nothing, and I bought a new battery and wires, it wasn't that, so I have a 90 horse chrystler outboard, could it be the power pack which is so much cheaper
Old power pack trick... they stop functioning many times as they get moisture in the pack over time. Before replacing (or for a spare) remove pack, oven bake at 150 deg F for 2 hrs. Remove from oven (with a mitt, Please). While still warm spray all wire inputs on the pack with WD40, let cool. Wipe dry. Many times this will resurrect a dead or intermittent pack.
Hi mine is a 94 evinrude 60 hp. Great motor but low revs to 1500rpm getting worse. It always starts on 2 cylinders, stalls a bit when cold then will eventually run all day on 3. I do notice, however, when its running in shallow water at an angle and i motor into deeper water (still when its a bit cold) and I lower the motor right down, it runs on 2 again and won't run nicely until its very warm. So, the effect of running it at an angle and when cold wakes it run rough. Its really good at any revs over 1500rpm. I have run motor cleaner through it, I use top quality oil and the plugs are good. Could this be spark plug leads, blockage in the carb, power pack or something else?
It also could be a trim sensor. Depending on year of motor, if the trim sensor is bad it will tell the motor to limit rpm to about 4500 tops as it is getting a resistance reading that it interprets as the motor being at a high trim angle out of the water.
Hi I have a Suzuki 90 hp outboard that cranks fine runs for 5 minutes looses electrical power and turns off. No power anywhere. After 5 -ten minutes electrical power is back cranks again then same thing. Anyone know what the coulpried or what should I check.
I'm going through a similar problem with my evinrude 70 hp and I think its the power pack. My motor ran fine last week but today I tried cranking it and it would not turn over. I'm only getting spark in the bottom spark plug so I'm not getting spark in the top two spark plugs. I know the coils and spark plug wires are good so I am pretty sure its the power pack. However, I did notice the Bendix starter gear is stuck in the up position in the flywheel. Do you think this is related to the power pack issue I believe I have or is this a completely separate issue?
I have a 1992 70hp evinrude and I had a similar problem when the motor would get to operating temperature it would drop cylinders and no longer get in plane I changed the powerpack problem fixed for a year and now it is in the shop for a diagnoses if it is the powerpack evinrude gives a 1yr full replacement warranty. So I'm hoping this isn't a problem with this motor smh. This is my first evinrude I always had mercury motors.
If im getting spark in one coil but not the other could the power pack still be an issue? I replaced the ignition coil so it should work and its not the spark plugs because they both work in the coil that has spark. Not really sure what else could be the case.
I'm having that issue but its not the power pack I put a new one in and no spark so then I unplugged the black and yellow wire kill switch fired it up and it starts but when I go to drive it won't go past a certain rpm and the motor shakes aggressive and its like the sound of a motor bouncing off the rev limiter any ideas very frustrated
Please detail what the voltages should be in and out of the power pack at all connections. Simply telling us to replace it is ridiculous (expensive). Also detail each ground wire and testing each coil resistance.
You typically should be getting 150v peak AC or a bit more out of the stator to the pack. Each one of the trigger wires will deliver about 1.7V; that's all it takes to signal the switching transistor to discharge the capacitor. If the stator and the trigger are good then it's most likely the pack;' you can switch leads to the coils to see if they fire as you will never lose three coils at once.
i had that issue on a evinrude 70 hp 2-stroke 1993. It was the start engine gear that had got stuck and didnt jump up and get in gear with the flyweel gear, as it should everytime you use the start engine. Some lubricant sprayed on solved the problem nicely. Hope you already solved the problem
I have a 70hp yamaha. 2 storke it fireing on top and bottom but not the center change coil on center allso check the power pack get on top abd bottom not the center anyone can rell me what it my be
actually i could not find it. when I tried Google it sent me to Ebay. i was trying to find a power pack for a friend. its only a Nissan 5hp . engine number is NS 5b,369-1 96621 anyone can locate ine for me would be happy. i am sure he would be grateful.
...and what are you running, a rice burner? The OMC 3-cylinder "looper" is among the most durable and reliable outboards ever built. Came out in 1968 or '69 as a 55 HP.
Nice to see a short to the point video for a change. I wish more people understood it's not Hollywood.
drivebrake thanks 🙏🏼
I like the fact that you said 98% of the time it is the power pack. I have a 1977 like new real low hours 15 Johnson pull start from original owner. One cylinder quit but after warming the one up the next pull they both started. After a couple more times out same thing, one then two but then both quit and won't pop at all. Power pack on order and fuel pump. Just as well replace both due to aging more than wear and tear.
Yes it was the power pack 100% of my time!
I'm glad it worked out, but could have been something as simple as a bad stop circuit or bad ground to the powerpack. The stator and timer base components can be checked with the flywheel still in place using an ohm meter along with a peak reading voltmeter.
Exactly my problem with the 60 Johnson. Off to buy a power pack !
Thanks man, very informative. I really hope it's just the power pack on mine
Trust me I've worked on outboards for 35 years and when it comes to spark problems , losing spark or intermittent spark , very hard to diagnose. If only 98% of the time it was the cdi box . I'd even carry one as a spare on and off the water 😂😂😂😂
Can the cdi cause a loss of top end power I got a 40 hp evinrude changed all the gas lines spark plugs still running like it’s at half throttle.
I’m having the same issue
I love you man! "you're not getting my Bud Light Billy!"
A good NO NONSENSE video...and yes they do go bad all the time.
Thanks mate for your video. I think I have the same problem with my outboard motor. Nothing I searched on RUclips helped confirm my suspicion until I found your video. Can I ask which website you got your power pack from?
Cheers happy boating
Glad it helped. Marineengine.com
Power packs don't usually quit nearly as frequently as people think. Yes, if there is no spark it's either a powerpack, charge or sensor coil, or a bad connection somewhere (kill switch, bad ground, wires that barfed somewhere).
What if i have one power coil that fires but not the other.
I had a dead stator. Was cheaper to change outboards with a simillar motor. Now i have spare parts too.
Thanks! I will give that a try as well! Mine just started doing the same thing!.
Thanks for a great, helpful video.
Good job you saved your self some hard earned cash.
Going thru same issue. Only firing one cylinder , order all new. Coil and power pack just in case b, fingers crossed that it isn't the stator on my problem. 👍
TCMDOC did you ever get to the bottom of your problem? i am having the exact same issue with my 89' 70hp vro johnson.. only sparking on the bottom cylinder. and even that is hit and miss. once and a while the other 2 cylinders will spark once or twice. sounds like i am in the boat you were in..
I definitely do not concur with 98% of the time it's the power pack. I've had an awful lot of faulty kill buttons, bad N switches, faulty shifters and corroded battery cables come into my shop with the same spark issue. Always rule out the very minor issues before you cough up your cash.
Mr. FatBasstard, im having similar problems. How can one know if its the kill switch or shifter....?
Fernando Gomez search 'Dangar Marine' on RUclips. If you like to work on your own outboard he has a great You Tube site.
If you have an outboard tiller motor more than likely you have a kill button. Check the contact inside the rubber boot of the button and make sure it's not stuck on the wiring contact posts of the kill wires. For kill switches and buttons check the wiring harness and wires and make sure you don't have a contact fault. 'If' your outboard is equipped with a neutral switch do a quick visual inspection for your selector switch and kill wires.
It's pretty standard procedure to rule these devices out before spending $80-140 on a power pack.
Good luck brother.
Do all 3 cylinders have to give out for it to be the kill switch issue or can it occur in only one cylinder? I have 2/3 cylinders that fire but while taking the boot from the spark plug wire of the spark plug on the cylinder not firing, I did receive a small shock to my hand. I believe that eventually it is firing but something is preventing the power pack from distributing the spark. Power pack is new and person who sold me the motor states that power packs do give out but usually have a long life expectancy. I do have issues with the shift box as well, which sometimes I notice that it wont turn on when turning the key switch. I have to give it some small taps with my palm and it will turn on after doing so..
Any tips help, thanks buddy..
Mr. FatBasstard, I'm going through a similar problem with my evinrude 70 hp. My motor ran fine last week but today I tried cranking it and it would not turn over. I'm only getting spark in the bottom spark plug so I'm not getting spark in the top two spark plugs. I know the coils and spark plug wires are good so does this sound like a power pack issue or something else? Also, I did notice the Bendix starter gear is stuck in the up position in the flywheel. Do you think this is related to the spark issue I'm having or is this a completely separate issue?
Nic Mullins that is definitely a power pack symptom. But never rule out the 'something else'. You never mentioned the year of your Evinrude 70hp or your starter model # but here's what I would do before taking your motor to the shop or forking out the money on a new power pack. Visually check all of your electrical connections starting from the battery box. R/R where necessary. Because of your starter issue I'm questioning a consistent stable output from the battery to the starter motor. Is your battery dedicated to your motor or does it run other accessories? If so try going straight battery to motor with clean secure connections. If that is not the prolbem I recommend purchasing a good reliable multi meter and youtubing/google 'Dangar Marine' Stu has a ton of good outboard repair videos. Including four or five videos on power packs alone. Depending on the power pack model, having spark in one cylinder does not mean the power pack is good and something is wrong in the motors electrical system for the remaining cylinders. Were you having any starter/starting issues prior to your two cylinder non-sparking issue?
Hey, thanks for posting.....it was my exact solution.
You fixed my boat
Thanks for posting. Good video.
perfect approach, thanks for sharing
i just got a 60 hp Johnson and it like your motor 1999 or 2000 oil injected and re carb ed for today's gas the shop i got it from did that to all it older motors before sale of them!
Thank you for the information
same problem here hope i come out as good thanks
Hey john, before u bought the power pack, if u turned the key, I get absolutely nothing, and I bought a new battery and wires, it wasn't that, so I have a 90 horse chrystler outboard, could it be the power pack which is so much cheaper
Sounds like I have the same problem now 1991 Yamaha 30 HP by chance do u remember the name of the company u bought the power pack from ?
Good video thanks
Very nice
Thx for this
When installing a new power pack how do you know which wires go to which coils.
What website did you use to buy your power pack and what did it cost?
I wish you could have said where you got the power pack
Old power pack trick... they stop functioning many times as they get moisture in the pack over time.
Before replacing (or for a spare) remove pack, oven bake at 150 deg F for 2 hrs. Remove from oven
(with a mitt, Please). While still warm spray all wire inputs on the pack with WD40, let cool. Wipe dry.
Many times this will resurrect a dead or intermittent pack.
Hi mine is a 94 evinrude 60 hp. Great motor but low revs to 1500rpm getting worse. It always starts on 2 cylinders, stalls a bit when cold then will eventually run all day on 3. I do notice, however, when its running in shallow water at an angle and i motor into deeper water (still when its a bit cold) and I lower the motor right down, it runs on 2 again and won't run nicely until its very warm. So, the effect of running it at an angle and when cold wakes it run rough. Its really good at any revs over 1500rpm. I have run motor cleaner through it, I use top quality oil and the plugs are good. Could this be spark plug leads, blockage in the carb, power pack or something else?
Where did u get that power pack with a thirty day warranty??? Having the same issue please help
thanks dude
Would power pack issues keep
Your motor from top end speed? My boat cranks fine it just stays bogged down.
Sounds more like a carburetor issue
It also could be a trim sensor. Depending on year of motor, if the trim sensor is bad it will tell the motor to limit rpm to about 4500 tops as it is getting a resistance reading that it interprets as the motor being at a high trim angle out of the water.
Where did you find the company that gave you a 30 day trial for power pack whats the name of company please?
What was the company
and power pack? Making sure I get the correct pack.
Try Marinepartssource.com
I had a power pack go out on my 75 115hp V4. It’s a common problem unfortunately
If the power pack goes out will that cause the trim not to work
@@bercy1921 no it only stops the spark ⚡️
thanks share this video
Very well done
+Paul Williams Thanks Paul I hope it helped.
Yes a whole lot. Thanks much very well out together. I am sure yiu can do more videos. Thanks much.
Also check safety switch
Hi I have a Suzuki 90 hp outboard that cranks fine runs for 5 minutes looses electrical power and turns off. No power anywhere. After 5 -ten minutes electrical power is back cranks again then same thing. Anyone know what the coulpried or what should I check.
I'm going through a similar problem with my evinrude 70 hp and I think its the power pack. My motor ran fine last week but today I tried cranking it and it would not turn over. I'm only getting spark in the bottom spark plug so I'm not getting spark in the top two spark plugs. I know the coils and spark plug wires are good so I am pretty sure its the power pack. However, I did notice the Bendix starter gear is stuck in the up position in the flywheel. Do you think this is related to the power pack issue I believe I have or is this a completely separate issue?
Nic Mullins i am having the exact same problem you had. did you ever reach a soloution?
I have a 1992 70hp evinrude and I had a similar problem when the motor would get to operating temperature it would drop cylinders and no longer get in plane I changed the powerpack problem fixed for a year and now it is in the shop for a diagnoses if it is the powerpack evinrude gives a 1yr full replacement warranty. So I'm hoping this isn't a problem with this motor smh. This is my first evinrude I always had mercury motors.
If im getting spark in one coil but not the other could the power pack still be an issue? I replaced the ignition coil so it should work and its not the spark plugs because they both work in the coil that has spark. Not really sure what else could be the case.
N3rd St0rm if you are getting spark in the coils it is not the power pack. Check the kill switch.
What site did you find the power pack on?
MarineEngine.com
What company did you get one from
Marineengine.com
I'm having that issue but its not the power pack I put a new one in and no spark so then I unplugged the black and yellow wire kill switch fired it up and it starts but when I go to drive it won't go past a certain rpm and the motor shakes aggressive and its like the sound of a motor bouncing off the rev limiter any ideas very frustrated
Could need carb adjusted. Compression may be off due to worn cylinders or the stator could be going bad. Or it could just be bad gas. Good luck.
i have a spark would this still be the reason why it wont start?
If you have spark it’s something else
Please detail what the voltages should be in and out of the power pack at all connections. Simply telling us to replace it is ridiculous (expensive). Also detail each ground wire and testing each coil resistance.
You typically should be getting 150v peak AC or a bit more out of the stator to the pack. Each one of the trigger wires will deliver about 1.7V; that's all it takes to signal the switching transistor to discharge the capacitor. If the stator and the trigger are good then it's most likely the pack;' you can switch leads to the coils to see if they fire as you will never lose three coils at once.
Is the power pack the same as Rpm limiter?
If my boat died out of no where .I have a evinrude 60 hp pro .. could it be the battery pack .
Fish Reaper check the kill switch. Sometimes those go bad.
How much did that power pack cost you? How long did it take to install?
Seth Henry about $130 and it took about 30 mins.
i have a 70 2003 yamaha 2 stroke it fireing on the top and bottom but not center. Change coil on center not that
Where can I find this part? I have the exact same engine. Thxs
Jean Gionet marineengine.com. Go to Envinrude brand and type in model number then find what you need. Good luck.
What company let you return a power pack
MarineEngine.com
2 stroke not turning over just a whirl sound
i had that issue on a evinrude 70 hp 2-stroke 1993. It was the start engine gear that had got stuck and didnt jump up and get in gear with the flyweel gear, as it should everytime you use the start engine. Some lubricant sprayed on solved the problem nicely. Hope you already solved the problem
I have a 70hp yamaha. 2 storke it fireing on top and bottom but not the center change coil on center allso check the power pack get on top abd bottom not the center anyone can rell me what it my be
I need compleet current system wat the web site i cood get it on
actually i could not find it. when I tried Google it sent me to Ebay. i was trying to find a power pack for a friend. its only a Nissan 5hp . engine number is NS 5b,369-1 96621 anyone can locate ine for me would be happy. i am sure he would be grateful.
Go to marineengine.com and look there.
Kk
should have shown how he replaced it
I agree
It is removed with two 10mm bolts. Disconnect the plugs and swap into out. Hard to F it up
ah I see the problem. See how it says evinrude on the side?
...and what are you running, a rice burner? The OMC 3-cylinder "looper" is among the most durable and reliable outboards ever built. Came out in 1968 or '69 as a 55 HP.
Man, I can tell you sure know a lot about motors. BTW, the 3-cyl OMC looper is among the best outboards ever made.