@@ZekeTrimmerthey can be in on this conversation because they are good too. Let’s leave Nathan as the definitive source for 3D printer news and information and we can make another phrase for CNC Kitchen! Your turn!
$2k for the Prusa is a lot of money. And priced for organizations that can claim it as a business expense. I really appreciate your more professional take on these new products. Getting technical analysis and wow-factor both in one video is really satisfying, and frankly its why I like your videos.
Talked with the developer of the HT90, some takeaways -the cooling fan has a valve that allows cooling flow onto the part and takes .5 seconds to switch, so you can get much more specific about cooling and not cooling specific areas of a layer -prints peek beautifully. They had a 400mm high fin that i saw no wobble at the tip of -the machine wasnt moving the table at alll, incredibly stable. And yeah soo so silent -two different hotend assemblies that are attached by magnets and have a single plug at the top, one for high speed printing and the other for high temp printing -direct drive extruder and it can handle tpu
Oh, new clones everywhere. Oh sorry I mean new Printers. The HT90 has some Amazing specs. 500c nozzle and 160c bed. Active chamber cooling for PLA. Just everything you EVER need.
It could be a good thing though, if they’re all making similar machines it will hopefully drive prices down and force innovation to stand out against the X1C and its clones.
@@joshc511 Yeah about where I thought it would be $8,999 USD was the Quote someone else had told me. If your Printing PEEK, ULTEM, and PEKK you know your talking at least $5K USD for a GOOD printer. Plus it's a PRUSA.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Excellent sealing and insulation are necessary for reaching, BUT as an added benefit it’s also great for sound insulation
@@NathanBuildsRobots Yeah but the main point is to make a 3d printer 90C capable you need to make sure all linear rails/bearings have high temp lube in them, plastic parts have to be very high temp, stuff can't melt, motors have to be high temp capable. Metal will expand in the high temp so it's very challenging to build this printer. However once you print ABS/ASA at 80C chamber you will never go back. First you need to throw everythig you know about ABS printing out the window. You need an astronomical amount of cooling (which is why they have CPAP) but parts never warp and the layers fuse together completely and you will experience ABS prints with actual layer adhesion and very nice sufrace quality. This is an amazing product and here you are talking about that it's quiet LOL.
About a year ago I emailed Elegoo just on a whim asking if they had any plans for a multicolor printer. They said essentially that they were working on it, so judging by the poop shoot and little cutter button that I saw on the Centauri in this video, this is probably it. I’m guessing since they didn’t show it off, they’re probably still working on the actual MMU attachment, and if I had to guess they’ll launch the printer first and then the MMU later as an upgrade you can buy and add on.
The anycubic multi-filament system is also a heated filament dryer, similar to the creality one. The machine itself might not be quite up to A1 standard, but for the price and with some improvements in the multi-filament system, it's a cool little combo.
If you want to dig into the K2 a bit: 1. Is the model there a production or pre-production model? 2. What cost cutting compromises can you see (aside from the lead screw count reduction)? Do you think any might compromise print quality? 3. Extruder and hot end: It's supposed to be an "Apus" extruder but doesn't look like the one from Phaetus. Volumetric flow rates have been mentioned to be 40mm^3/s+. BS scale from 1 to 10 given the hot end they are using? (is it just a slightly longer unicorn?) 4. How is the camera and lighting? Resolution and frame rate for streaming? 5. Any chance at demonstrating the closed loop motors (maybe unplanned disruption)?
It has been mentioned the filament system is not heated. The temp and humidity are informational only. I wouldn't even say Prusa pioneered the 4 bowden tubes to the hot end. Their work was based on the rest of the community.
The Anycubic ACE Pro is a filament dryer with built in buffer system. It's not close to the AMS light, it's actually an improvement on the AMS being able to dry filament and has tangle detection, filament swap over, and an easier loading system than the AMS does. And it's on the market before the Creality one. So, yes, they have some ideas.
I have the Kobra 3 Pro and the ACE unit has worked great. Anycubic has continued to tweak and update firmware for both and so far no complaints from me.
Don't get excited too soon. If they still have an awful extruder design, the quality still won't be there. Don't buy a K1C, it still has issues. The Qidi Q1 Pro is a much better option for even less money.
Wow, loving the giant face cam! It’s like a blockbuster movie starring... your face! 😂 But seriously, where's the product review? It got lost in the big screen!
I would like to know more about the T1 and the Elegoo Core XY. I have an Elegoo Neptune 4 Pro and it is great. But a closed printer to print with ABS is my next buy.
Interested in seeing what that Elegoo printer is like. I got started in 3D printing on the original Neptune 3, moved to the Neptune 3 Pro and plus. Loved those printers.
Thats very nice waiting to unveil the Mako from slice engineering 👊 Nice guys over there..... Fiberon is freaking sick I saw another channel make a turbine with it also thier Petg Cf at $40 is going into my house soon 😅 3 nerds on a zebra trash bin 🎉 😮 what could go wrong.
Thanks for all the info man. I would love to go to one of these events, but I detest flying so thanks for being my surrogate. Would have been a hoot if the trash can blew apart, long as none of them got hurt of course. :)
I must have missed you at the event. I was there today! I was surprised to see another new Elegoo 3d printer revealed! When you are in Los Angeles, make sure you do some fun stuff outside of the show like angel’s flight or the Huntington Gardens. See’s candy is also important as well as In-&-Out Burger.
'I'm a big fan of quiet machines' - promotes ender printers every now and then xD No seriously, as far as I know, prusa printers have always been the most quiet printers i know
Yes, they do. As long as you only use one nozzle, waste is inevitable. But you can reduce waste by using the purge material for support structures, infill material or a separate print object, for example. However, this is more of a slicer setting than something the machine does on its own.
please reduce (or remove) the size of your face insert - it hides more interesting things to see. (And never heard "alpha centauri" - the next planetary system?)
Zero issues with QC, and only had to reach out to customer service once. Took 2-3 days, few emails. But they were able to easily resolve the issue. Overall great service.
Lidar lmao, you really bought into bambu's cringe marketing gimmicks. Is the """lidar""" faster than a beacon or more accurate than any physical probes? That trash doesn't belong on a competent printer.
@@krollmond7544 I was speaking for myself and those who agree. I have many printers and don't even own a bambulabs printer, so I don't get why that was brought up, but thanks for taking the time to respond!
@@krollmond7544 I have several printers and none of them are from Bambulabs. I don't understand where that comes from. Prusa printers are stupidly overpriced for what you get.
Nathan builds robots is the definitive source for 3D printing news and information
CNC Kitchen is equal IMO
@@ZekeTrimmerthey can be in on this conversation because they are good too. Let’s leave Nathan as the definitive source for 3D printer news and information and we can make another phrase for CNC Kitchen! Your turn!
yea but when will he build an actual robot :)
@@MrUniq as if his polar printer isn’t a robot. Hahah That thing is insane and novel!
And CURSED printers,
It was great to see & meet you at the show!
$2k for the Prusa is a lot of money. And priced for organizations that can claim it as a business expense. I really appreciate your more professional take on these new products. Getting technical analysis and wow-factor both in one video is really satisfying, and frankly its why I like your videos.
Talked with the developer of the HT90, some takeaways
-the cooling fan has a valve that allows cooling flow onto the part and takes .5 seconds to switch, so you can get much more specific about cooling and not cooling specific areas of a layer
-prints peek beautifully. They had a 400mm high fin that i saw no wobble at the tip of
-the machine wasnt moving the table at alll, incredibly stable. And yeah soo so silent
-two different hotend assemblies that are attached by magnets and have a single plug at the top, one for high speed printing and the other for high temp printing
-direct drive extruder and it can handle tpu
So happy we got to hang for a bit, and thanks for letting us test the strength of your print :)
Oh, new clones everywhere. Oh sorry I mean new Printers. The HT90 has some Amazing specs. 500c nozzle and 160c bed. Active chamber cooling for PLA. Just everything you EVER need.
It could be a good thing though, if they’re all making similar machines it will hopefully drive prices down and force innovation to stand out against the X1C and its clones.
@@menacingdonutz Your right. We can only hope and see.
It would want to for 15k aud
@@joshc511 Yeah about where I thought it would be $8,999 USD was the Quote someone else had told me. If your Printing PEEK, ULTEM, and PEKK you know your talking at least $5K USD for a GOOD printer. Plus it's a PRUSA.
Yeah. I was hoping for something new, something that would dethrone Bambulab, alas no.
The 90 in the prusa stands for the chamber temperature and it's a game changer. That thing is not a toy, it's a proper industrial tool.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Excellent sealing and insulation are necessary for reaching, BUT as an added benefit it’s also great for sound insulation
@@NathanBuildsRobots Yeah but the main point is to make a 3d printer 90C capable you need to make sure all linear rails/bearings have high temp lube in them, plastic parts have to be very high temp, stuff can't melt, motors have to be high temp capable. Metal will expand in the high temp so it's very challenging to build this printer. However once you print ABS/ASA at 80C chamber you will never go back. First you need to throw everythig you know about ABS printing out the window. You need an astronomical amount of cooling (which is why they have CPAP) but parts never warp and the layers fuse together completely and you will experience ABS prints with actual layer adhesion and very nice sufrace quality. This is an amazing product and here you are talking about that it's quiet LOL.
I will pay 4x for a printer just to have it make no noise
$10k game changer
About a year ago I emailed Elegoo just on a whim asking if they had any plans for a multicolor printer. They said essentially that they were working on it, so judging by the poop shoot and little cutter button that I saw on the Centauri in this video, this is probably it. I’m guessing since they didn’t show it off, they’re probably still working on the actual MMU attachment, and if I had to guess they’ll launch the printer first and then the MMU later as an upgrade you can buy and add on.
The anycubic multi-filament system is also a heated filament dryer, similar to the creality one. The machine itself might not be quite up to A1 standard, but for the price and with some improvements in the multi-filament system, it's a cool little combo.
If you want to dig into the K2 a bit:
1. Is the model there a production or pre-production model?
2. What cost cutting compromises can you see (aside from the lead screw count reduction)? Do you think any might compromise print quality?
3. Extruder and hot end: It's supposed to be an "Apus" extruder but doesn't look like the one from Phaetus. Volumetric flow rates have been mentioned to be 40mm^3/s+. BS scale from 1 to 10 given the hot end they are using? (is it just a slightly longer unicorn?)
4. How is the camera and lighting? Resolution and frame rate for streaming?
5. Any chance at demonstrating the closed loop motors (maybe unplanned disruption)?
It has been mentioned the filament system is not heated. The temp and humidity are informational only. I wouldn't even say Prusa pioneered the 4 bowden tubes to the hot end. Their work was based on the rest of the community.
Not a Prusa fan but that Print quality on Delta is night and day from the big Prusa last year. That looks seriously impressive.
Do you mind following up with this comment? Is there a reason you are not a fan of Prusa? I'm doing R&D and was wondering what your take is?
The K2 AMS isnt a dryer sadly . Does have a chamber heater.
The Anycubic Ace is a dryer, but does have an external display…
The Kobra 3 ams is a dryer
The Anycubic ACE Pro is a filament dryer with built in buffer system. It's not close to the AMS light, it's actually an improvement on the AMS being able to dry filament and has tangle detection, filament swap over, and an easier loading system than the AMS does. And it's on the market before the Creality one. So, yes, they have some ideas.
I have the Kobra 3 Pro and the ACE unit has worked great. Anycubic has continued to tweak and update firmware for both and so far no complaints from me.
creality CFS does not have heating built in, sadly they were not able to get that working
But the Anycubic ACE Pro does. And you can control it from the printer.
100% Creality CFS is not active drying. It’s desiccant’s there is a space below where the rolls sit for packs.
The K2 seems like a nice improvement, almost giving me buyers remorse for the k1c even though I haven’t bought it yet 😅
Don't get excited too soon. If they still have an awful extruder design, the quality still won't be there. Don't buy a K1C, it still has issues. The Qidi Q1 Pro is a much better option for even less money.
any idea on the build volume of the Elegoo machine?
is the elegoo 256 cubed or 235?
256
Wow, loving the giant face cam! It’s like a blockbuster movie starring... your face! 😂 But seriously, where's the product review? It got lost in the big screen!
I would like to know more about the T1 and the Elegoo Core XY. I have an Elegoo Neptune 4 Pro and it is great. But a closed printer to print with ABS is my next buy.
Interested in seeing what that Elegoo printer is like. I got started in 3D printing on the original Neptune 3, moved to the Neptune 3 Pro and plus. Loved those printers.
That polymaker filament sounds very promissing! I am very curious to see this!
Are you coming back to the perfect first layer podcast? If they said where you went, I missed it.
what size bed was the elegoo? looks like bambu size. 300x300 or 350x350 would have been nice
Thats very nice waiting to unveil the Mako from slice engineering 👊 Nice guys over there..... Fiberon is freaking sick I saw another channel make a turbine with it also thier Petg Cf at $40 is going into my house soon 😅 3 nerds on a zebra trash bin 🎉 😮 what could go wrong.
If you can review these new fiberon filaments it would be cool :)
a video about the fiberon would be great I've only found one creator doing much testing of it
Do a dedicated video on the Mako hotend 🙏
hT90 means high temperature up to 90C which is the heated chamber temperature
What’s up with the spool holder on the top of the K2 Plus?
8:15 Hope your lucky with that Delta
What about the non-desktop industrial printers?
Thanks for all the info man. I would love to go to one of these events, but I detest flying so thanks for being my surrogate. Would have been a hoot if the trash can blew apart, long as none of them got hurt of course. :)
Hows the print quality of k2 plus compared to bambulabs?
I must have missed you at the event. I was there today! I was surprised to see another new Elegoo 3d printer revealed! When you are in Los Angeles, make sure you do some fun stuff outside of the show like angel’s flight or the Huntington Gardens. See’s candy is also important as well as In-&-Out Burger.
Remember to ring that 🔔 and subscribe and like the video... That's to YOU dear viewer
While you are at Rapid, what's with the new filaments from Polymaker?
Delta printers are cool but imagine the day when slicers support non-planar slicing and delta print heads rotate 🤯
Ufo extruders 👽
Full review of S1 would be much appreciated
0:02 Looks very crowded, ton's of buildings
Thanks for the coverage.
I wanna go to rapid next year maybe can get my employer to send me 🤔
HT90 stands for 90°C chamber temp,
k2 is very interesting but i think i will wait for the updated versions of the k2 ...
'I'm a big fan of quiet machines' - promotes ender printers every now and then xD
No seriously, as far as I know, prusa printers have always been the most quiet printers i know
Great update. I'll be there tomorrow weds.
nathan, i can always rely on you for any new news of 3d printing so i dont have have to work my butt out
WELL WELL WELL, LOOK WHO DECIDED TO SHOW THEIR FACE... BAMBU LAB!
@@NathanBuildsRobots OK OK idk if thats a joke or what???
@@user-hi8cf7rz9u lol your profile pic was bambu lab when I first looked at it
@@NathanBuildsRobots like it now???!!!
The bin could take the full Joel 😂
I see a Polymaker cowbell in my future.
Creality bambu, elegoo bambu, delta bambu...
those new AMSes... do they poop as well? was hoping that Bambu would come up with some brand new machine...
Yes, they do. As long as you only use one nozzle, waste is inevitable. But you can reduce waste by using the purge material for support structures, infill material or a separate print object, for example. However, this is more of a slicer setting than something the machine does on its own.
@@andreas.grundler poops gallore my friends 😂
Well, this was fun. Thanks.(HT-90 10k)
please reduce (or remove) the size of your face insert - it hides more interesting things to see.
(And never heard "alpha centauri" - the next planetary system?)
Only 11500€ for HT90 😅
Would love to know how many they sell.
K2 plus
3d printing companies try to make something new challenge (impossible)
Except HT90, that thing looks cool but it aint for hobbyists
Considering that Creality have no QC and appalling customer service, I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.
Zero issues with QC, and only had to reach out to customer service once.
Took 2-3 days, few emails. But they were able to easily resolve the issue.
Overall great service.
Idex?
No LiDAR on the k2 proves it was a gimmick doing nothing all along
Lidar lmao, you really bought into bambu's cringe marketing gimmicks. Is the """lidar""" faster than a beacon or more accurate than any physical probes? That trash doesn't belong on a competent printer.
@@youtubehandlesux Wow you don't even know what lidar is used for and yet you comment here hahaha, too good
You should focus on the obtainable stuff, not the ridiculously priced Prusa taxed stuff.
You should speak for yourself, not everyone wants Bambu clones.
@@krollmond7544 I was speaking for myself and those who agree.
I have many printers and don't even own a bambulabs printer, so I don't get why that was brought up, but thanks for taking the time to respond!
@@krollmond7544 I have several printers and none of them are from Bambulabs. I don't understand where that comes from.
Prusa printers are stupidly overpriced for what you get.
Hard to see the printers when your face takes up 1/4 of the screen... Just do voice over next time...
Cringe Engineering's stupid bambu hotend isn't gonna be faster than my modded 130w 15 dollar bambu clone anyway.