It's hard to overstate just how bad the Saturn flopped though, especially outside of Japan. Worthwhile games dried up pretty quick and looking at SEGA without having any personal hype, it was hard to see how the Dreamcast could claw it's way out of the hole the Saturn left. I pretty much stopped playing games for a while because I had a Saturn and there was basically nothing to play on it. Some CAPCOM fighting games and not a lot else.
@@brokentower3148 It's so frustrating because back when they launched, I wanted a Saturn. By the time my family could afford one, it was already discontinued. All the local video stores just had a small shelf for it's games but entire walls for the ps1 and n64.
Love how the podcast is becoming more and more like going to the park and sitting next to the 2 old guys playing checkers and hearing them talk about the "good old days" and how "kids these days don't know what good life is"
In the time between DMC 4 and V there were -10 Call of Duty games -4 Halo games -9 Assassin's Creed games -2 GTA games (lol) -and Fortnite became a thing
That is a false equivalence, as Capcom did put out a Devil May Cry game in that period. It is like, if Ubisoft drops a Prince of Persia 4, I would still have to count PoP 2008/Forgotten Sands as games representing the franchise not being abandoned. With Final Fantasy, I think we also have to remember that Square id doing FF7 Remake and FF14, which is likely taking resources that would have gone to mainline Final Fantasy games in the 90s and 00s
Back then, even the jumps between games in the same gen were huge. Final Fantasy VII, VIII, and IX all look like they could be on three different consoles. These days a console’s full potential is unlocked pretty much from the get-go.
@@leithaziz2716 if there was anything that could eclipse the hype for MGS2, it was the 2004 Halo 2 tech demo. People were blown away. It felt like you could do anything, the set piece cinematics in-level set the tone for Uncharted, the AI could drive, Master Chief could steal vehicles and combo a melee. Earth was under attack and the gloves were off. They've still tried to capture that feeling in so many ways, even now.
1994 to 2002 or something was an incredible time for video games. Not only FF6 to 10 but also games like Command & Conquer, Diablo, Baldur's Quest, Fallout, Doom, Descent, Wipeout, Final Fantasy Tactics, Front Mission 3, Chrono Cross, Xenogears, Parasite Eve, MGS, Grandia, Suikoden 1 & 2, Vandal Hearts, Symphony of the Night, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Skies or Arcadia... ...and I'm certain I'm forgetting a ton. Living that time made you a gamer for life.
Something I also miss from the Halcyon days were school-yard rumors. like: "Hey you can fight Deoxys and go to space in Pokemon Emerald." Nowadays, the internet data-mines and crunches through games so quickly that any game released is fully unpacked within the week.
Same story but my friend convinced me Sephiroth was a playable character in Smash Brawl. Seeing him become playable in Ultimate felt like coming full circle.
I hate how those pokémon events where impossible to unlock unless you lived in a first world country with a Toys R Us reasonably nearby that actually cared and bothered to run the Mystery Gift events AND had the wireless adapter AND had parents willing to drive you over the few times the events were in the weekends (seriously, these shits weren't announced ANYWHERE except the store itself like a few days before the event). Otherwise you were shit out of luck and essentially had a gimped game. Thank lord for emulators.
@@ginger-ham4800 Right? I never knew about pokemon events until the 20th anniversary gamestop ones because they actually ADVERTISED IT ONLINE and you just show up and grab a lil card. No special equipment needed.
I also have a fun story about MGS1 that I want to share: I used to live in Kasachstan. Back then original games weren't a thing. Every game was on a burned cd and we used to have cracked ps ones. Original gameboxes weren't a thing either. So when the time came to look at the back of the box for meryls codec number, we were kinda screwed. I called my friend and asked him but he forgot the number. He gave me a telefon number of a random ass dude and I had to call him because apparently he new the right number. So I called him. That was an amazing conversation 🤣 That guy tolled me that I was the third one that day to call him and to ask for the codec. Fun times...
Here in brazil it was the same, with game stores just downright selling the pirated games But the store i bought it from actually had mock.boxes.and put in merryls code in a slip of paper insode the box for mgs1.
Same thing with me when I bought games in the Middle East. You either get a plastic cover with the disk inside (there's usually a back page which mitigated the problem, but that wasn't always a thing) or the games get installed on your PS2 permanently. Since the internet wasn't a thing where I lived, you were basically out of options if you got stuck.
@@Maioly same thing in Southeast Asia here lol. Even child me thought that all of these amazing triple A PS2/PC games priced at around 1.60 USD each (taking inflation into account) was sus. They also had obviously photocopied covers that are slightly mismatched to the papers so you have some white strips where the printer failed to print the ink properly. Pre-2010 when that one shop still existed before the whole mall it was in got demolished, to build a new mall that no one goes to, and then the old mall gets rebuilt but no one goes there either....yeah I'm not salty.
@@Sercotani stores over here took it to an art form one of the stores I used to frequent even had photos of them at an e3 they actually had boxes with properly made covers and shit too. it actually got better as generations went ps1 games were diamond cases with lil paper covers that were, as you put it, sometimes misprinted; some stores went the extra mile and included important details in the back of teh cover or an extra strip of paper. Ps2 ones all got proper game cases, with proper covers, often high quality cases too (for pirated stuff) with very very rare misprints on the covers as it went along. by 360 era (not ps3, cuz ps3 was impossible to pirate) the boxes were almost the exact same as official ones, it was hard to tell the difference even. then ps4 generation happened and game piracy in that form practically died... the store I most frequented, even had rent-a-console where you could pay for time on a set of consoles they had installed and play literally any game they had on the store... not anymore had to close their main, bigger location, move to a far smaller store, and selling mostly non pirated stuff now, doing repairs and stuff; think nintendo switch piracy or the like is the main thing keeping them alive still.
While I didn't grow up with FF7 I have seen the commercials for it and I must imagine it was mind-blowing in 1997. "The most anticipated adventure of the year, never coming to a theater near you" probably hit harder than expected in the late 90s.
It's hard to understand now (even for me, and I was there) but at the time PS1 graphics felt like they were near photorealistic. I don't know why they felt real back then and don't now, but that's how it was.
The jump between ps1 and ps2 graphics must of been the most insane shit, going from character models tearing themselves apart when they walk to something like silent hill 2 and mgs 2 is wild No console jump after that felt as impressive, imagine seeing ragdoll physics for the first time, as shitty as they looked back then
As a 36 year old, the crazy shift was from Super Nintendo/SEGA Genesis era of games graphics being only pixel art, to the N64/PlayStation era where games like Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil or Star Fox 64 were physically possible. I. The PS2 era, you jump to better graphics and the there being enough horse power for the first open world games to exist, but it isn’t quite the same leap in sheer possibility for games. Although there were clearly some standouts like the first HALO game for people unfamiliar with PC shooters. I remember getting an XBOX360, and that was when it started to dawn on me that the technological leaps were less sufficient now because only a few of the games really felt like that wouldn’t have been conceptually possible on older hardware.
I remember when the concept of your enemies corpse remaining behind, let alone be interactable in any fashion, was considered a high end feature in the same way that in depth character customizers are today. As macabre and degenerate as it sounds, a fourth of the fun of Fallout 3 on the PC was fucking about with dead bodies. The rest was modding and playing the game of course.
The big deal I remember people making in magazines from back then was when Prince of Persia: Sands of Time came out and the character would put his feet at different heights when you stand on stairs instead of just having a static standing animation.
it was but at the same time it wasn’t. These guys come from mostly console consumer perspective. Arcade and PC were good 5 years ahead of console technologies and if you experienced either, it was this weird feeling of “oh they can do this in consoles now”. Myst came out before Playstation with FMV setpieces all over the game. Virtua Racing came out with full 60fps 480p in the 90s, and consoles could not hit 480p until 00s.
Final Fantasy X was such a mind blowing game that when I was first played it as a kid on our living room, my entire family sat there and wouldnt stop talking about how they used to play Atari in their childhood and never thought games would ever look so realistic.
30:12 -- the bit about FF9 not having full voice acting despite releasing after MGS1 Fuckin', shoutouts to this shitty old public broadcast gaming show that got uploaded as "Gaming in the Clinton Years." They review Final Fantasy 8, and they ended it with an aside, "Oh, by the way! If Square doesn't add voice overs to Final Fantasy 9, I'm committing suicide. I hate text!" Top marks for calling Zell "the ultimate geekazoid," though.
Voice acting in games was common place in PlayStation 1/N64 era. But it wasn't until a bit into the PlayStation 2 era that the expectation was that a high profile story centric game be fully voice acted. MGS1 was an exception. Even though I can remember plenty of other PS1 JRPGs like Grandia being partially voice acted
I had a SNES as a boy when all my friends had an N64 or PlayStation. My parents got it bundled with the Gameboy adapter because they thought the games would be cheaper, so most of my games weren't even SNES games. When we could afford a GameCube, it was the first post-3D console I ever got to touch. Overnight I went from playing Metroid II to Metroid Prime and it was like hitting the ludicrous speed in Spaceballs. I hardly survived it. Nothing will ever come close to that again.
I'm on the older side of zoomer and I'm starting to get old person moments. It was around the time I was talking to someone on Discord and they casually mentioned they were born in 2007 and I thought "How the fuck can you spell and play Persona?" before I remembered 2007 was 15 years ago.
I remember when FF 10 came out and the graphics blew all of our fucking minds. Then more Final Fantasies came out, and it was like our brains entered a new cosmic dimension in which the Final Fantasy was neither Fantasy nor Final, and it seemed plausible that at some point it would just be indistinguishable from live action and it would just keep getting more and more fucking amazing. FF10 was introduced to the public through shitty low grade magazine print screenshots. Then, actually seeing those fucking cutscenes? JESUS CHRIST. Truly, it was a good era.
It's worth having these conversations because it's hard to explain to younger gamers the difference between, say, MGS1 or FF7 which were damn good looking games on release, and then a few years later getting the LIGHTSPEED jump that was MGS2 or FFX.
Nintendo Power's last issue having a remake of the first ever issue's cover on it, now that's fucking kino. The last few years Nintendo Power would send out special subscriber covers that had no text whatever, just the artwork. I still got the 358/2 Days, Re:Coded and Pokemon HGSS version of those issues tucked away.
I distinctly remember a mid-90s mag that had a screenshot of something on the cover with the caption "The best graphics we've ever seen," and not even being able to figure out what the thing in the picture was supposed to be lol
Okay so I had a similar experience back when I was a kid. I knew another kid named Josh who looked like a Mini Blues Brother but he had an Afro and refused to take the suit off. When we both got dragged to go to Christian Bible Camp for the week, he was telling me all about Team Fortress 2 on the Orange Box. Word for word, he explained each job and what the intro cutscenes looked like, it was the most magical moment I ever had because none of us had cellphones or the internet. They took all that away "So we can be in tune with God" so we just talked about video games.
I vividly remember when Kingdom Hearts came out, my friend told me about it and he knew I was a huge FF fan. I still had just a PS1 in 2003 and was just playing FF7, 8 and 9 a lot. And he told me it was a cross between FF and Disney and that you fought in real-time and could jump around and stuff. It was completely amazing to me when he showed me the game. I couldn't believe it existed, from the crossover concept to the gameplay mechanics, it was such a crazy thing. And it really was amazing, it looked so vibrant and beautiful, and there was no action game - let alone an action RPG - that was as fast and smooth as KH. Well there was Star Ocean and Tales! But they're not even close to beingthe same thing. MGS2 and FF10 were of course absolutely monumental too. There will never be a time like that, and a jump like 5th to 6th gen again.
That jump from 2D to 3D was so mind blowing for a teenager. I would play King's Field and just wander for hours because I was IN the game. I could go anywhere, look at anything from any angle, it was everything I'd hoped for when playing Zelda or even earlier stuff like Temple of Apshai. There hasn't been as big a tech jump that big since except maybe VR.
I learned about Metal Gear Solid at a Walmart Demo Setup. One kid was saying to me "You got to try Metal Gear Solid." As a slightly bigger kid says "What are you talking about that game is not good." I put my PlayStation on layaway and had to do house stuff around the house for allowance to buy it out on time. I got my PlayStation out and played the demo disc for weeks until I bought Metal Gear Solid myself and reading the manual as my mom was lisining to her Faith Hill CD (That I got for her from the mail in CD's. LOL Free Music.) with the song "This Kiss" playing in the background. xD Great times.
Nobody will understand anymore the awe of video game models being able to be "round" or that handheld games can be 3D now or that video games being able to be played online, which is just a standard now. All of those thing I don't feel were that long ago but they're pretty fucking long ago in the grand scheme of things.
Man even as a 23 year old I get what Pat means about games you read about in Magazines being the ones that really blew you away. To this day two of my favorite games I've ever played are Dragon Quest V's DS remake and Little King Story for the Wii; both of which I only learned about because of a Nintendo Magazine in my middle school's library. Like I eat up jrpgs today but really aside from Pokemon I'd never seen a game like that. Hell to get real crazy I may never have found SBFP and this channel if not for discovering Dragon Quest since the friends I made talking about that introduced me to the channel.
Love pats new setup, finally feels like hes invested in the cast again. Sitting up and actually being actively involved rather than slouching, paying 35% attention to the conversation.
Hearing Pat say "Aonuma played Elden Ring" reminded me of someone saying similar wrt Bayonetta 3, like "Bayo 3 got delayed because they looked at DMC5 and got scared" or something like, shit's hilarious
We went from the first version of MS-DOS to Windows XP in just 20 years. The speed of the technological development in the second half of the 20th century is an extreme outlier to the rest of human existence.
I really regret getting rid of mine, but I've been reading some old issues of OPSM UK on the Internet Archive and it's crazy how perfectly I remember them! I miss that feeling of building a weird fantasy version of a game in my head from screenshots and a couple paragraphs
I remember the cheap mystery boxes you could buy off the friend of a friend. 60 discs with the names written in a permanent marker 1/3 where broken, 1/3 where Fifa and duplicates but man that was box of classics. I was amazed anyone bought a PS1 game... then you'd discover disc 2 was missing and the pirates lacked taste.
18:00 In which Woolie and Pat pretend that Blur Studios doesn't exist. You can't tell me the Cinematic lie trailers for Elder Scrolls Online aren't the best there ever was
If you want to see how much and how little graphics have evolved at points in the last 20+ years, look at Triple H. When he said he was The Game, he was right.
My personal timeline of videogames is best exemplified by my experiences with RPG's. Dragon Warrior 1 (Dragon Quest 1 now): Got it for free with a subscription to Nintendo Power and I was young enough that my parents had to help me read the dialogue. Games can't get better than this. Dragon Warrior 3: Oh shit, multiple party members? A whole world to explore? The plot? RPG's can't get better than this! Final Fantasy 3 (6 now): Okay, now games can't get better than this. Final Fantasy 7: This was super nuts. After this I played a ton of other RPG's (Breath of Fire 3, Star Ocean 2, what have you) but they stopped being the big leaps in complexity during the PlayStation age, until... Final Fantasy 10: Okay, isn't this just a movie, now? Yeah, Dragon Warrior 1 to Final Fantasy 10 was an amazing time.
The Nintendo 64 and The PS1 era of gaming REALLY did revolutionize just how even look at games. Not saying that the NES, Genesis, or even the Atari didn’t but my GOD from FF7, to MGS, to Mario 64 and Ocarina. REALLY cultural touchstones that inspired generations and elements are STILL using to this day. Love that era. Goodness gracious.
people need to remember, not even counting japanese only releases, Square in 90s had the one of the best platinum streak of quality game releases of all time. Masterpiece after masterpiece.
If you want something that's also as crazy is that Square was one of the most hated companies in the gaming industry not even a decade ago. After how poorly the FF13 trilogy and the original FF14 release went just about EVERYONE hated Square and now people won't stop singing their praises (FF14: HW carrying the rebound pretty hard).
@@Kango234 It was honestly worse than the previous gen. Yeah, it was the move to HD, so there was still that gen-jumping magic that has since evaporated, but between the push for more linear, “cinematic” experiences, the overtutorializing, the agonizing business moves of many beloved Japanese developers (ex. Square, Capcom, Konami, etc), and just the general deterioration of tried-and-true game design principles in major mainstream releases, that generation really suffered a lot for me. It’s actually the era that pushed me out of playing video games altogether for a long time.
I remember trying to convince my mom to let me have a PS2, going through the list of how I've saved up enough money for it, I've been real good, I get good grades, and how I've really thought through this big purchase. Which had to be a funny speech to hear from a 9 year old. When I finally got it, I remember being so engrossed in Dark Cloud, I just played it all day. I think the last game I played before that was probably Hey You Pikachu or some other N64 game I can't remember.
I made a deal with my mom that if I got to class on time every day that year I would get a PS2 for Christmas. I got to class on time, and I got a PS2 along with copies of Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy X, and Devil May Cry. 2002 was a good Christmas.
No amount of words in this comment can equate to how much I miss getting video game magazines in the mail. Demo discs. A month to digest everything in an issue.
Fun fact: MegaMan Legends did Z-Targetting first *BY A WHOLE YEAR* . Ocarina Of Time absolutely stole that title and everybody keeps spreading that misinformation so hard that chances are whoever is reading this comment probably didn't even know.
Wasn’t Mega Man Legends’ targeting garbage, though? And I’m pretty sure there’s footage or screenshots of OOT’s targeting system that predates Legends, but I could be wrong.
Nintendo, Capcom, Blizzard, Marvel, EA, Ubisoft. A lot of corporations do nothing but steal from someone else and rebrand as theirs, and most people will accept it as the truth because the marketing budget is bigger.
The thing that really threw my baby brain off back in those days was that Silent Hill(1999) blew my fucking mind at how terrifying it was already. Then I saw my older cousin who had a PS2 play Silent Hill 2 a couple of years later...
Not only was growth huge between console generations, but it was also incredible to see how much the games improved from the beginning to the end of their given generation. Early PS1 games pale in comparison to late PS1, same for PS2 and even PS3, and that had to do with how unique console architecture used to be versus how standardized they are today, starting with the PS4/Xbone running on very similar architecture.
I can sympathize a lot with boomer parents now that I'm 32 and my 9 year old nephew is playing some different bullshit every week on my Playstation Now account and I can never tell what the hell he's playing. I'm like, "Oh, hey bud, is that Fat Princess?" And he's like "No, this is HAPPU WARS!" (these are bad examples but it's mostly just Roblox mods that he plays nowadays)
My favorite old gamer memory to relate to the young uns is that I remember playing Halo on Christmas morning thinking that I didn't see any way that graphics could get much better than that.
I remember going into film mode of Halo 3, zooming in as far as I could see, and seeing tons of little scratches on Master Chiefs armor and thinking the exact same thing.
Lock-on targeting was around before Ocarina of Time. Ocarina of Time’s Z-Targeting just snapped you into a different looking cool view when you used it.
I remember back in middle school in the 90s seeing another student with a game magazine that had a mini story about Rockman X, and being stupefied that my games came from another country.
Kinda but not really. Souls and runes are the complete exact same thing. While the SNES can't play a Dreamcast game which can't play a PS2 game. Looking at Elden Ring and saying "oh is that the new Zelda?" would be way more similar
Dreamcast had 2 amazing years, and a respectable 2 years of being not quite dead, and it maintained a cult following to rival 16-bit fans. It might not be a greater undead like a Demi-Lich or Vampire Lord, but that system deserves far more respect than it gets.
I feel like the Sega Saturn gets way less respect than the Dreamcast, even outside of the gem-filled japanese-only library, there were some really great titles for that console. Despite being born two years after it came out, for some reason I'm rather fond of the Saturn.
@@marcellosilva9286 Saturn had a lot of great games. However SoA mishandled everything about the CD/32X which generated backlash for the launch that got limited marketing. It never had any "good" years in NA. In fact, the Saturn in NA almost completely tanked SoA, where the DC in NA almost single-handedly saved Sega from pulling out of the Hardware market. If the PS2 weren't launched the following year, which prompted like half the massive installed DC user-base selling used DCs to pick up a PS2, and the BLEEM didn't hit legal issues before release (Imagine DC playing up-rezzed PS1 games), the DC would have been an equal to the PS2. But more importantly, Pat wasn't making fun of the Saturn in this segment. He did for the DC.
The literal only reason that i ever got intoduced to FF was because a guy at a eb games lied to my father that the FFVIII opening cut scene was the whole game
My “but we’re not there yet” moment was playing games where you were blown away that the final credit song had an actual singer. It was mind blowing, and then there were games like FFX with near full voice acting and it was surreal. Like to this day, I’ll play games and my brain will go “amazing, someone’s singing in this song!” even though all 200 hours of the game had full voice acting, it’s weird lol
“Do you call them souls or runes?” Bold of you to assume that everyone thinks like you, Woolie. I play Souls games and I still call them runes in Elden Ring. I would have gone with something kids play that millennials don’t care about for the “I used to be with it” analogy.
@@music79075 Couldn't disagree more. It soured my experience on the entire game. From the bosses and enemies to the areas, I thought it was poorly done.
@@handzar6402 What part are you refferring to as End Game? Farum Azula was fantastic 10/10. The Fire Giant place was at least a 7/10. Consecrated Snowfield & Haligtree was like a DLC expansion pack in the game and was altogether a solid 9 out of 10 and Lyndell Capital was 9/10 on its own and the Ashen version was a fun surprise. It also had some of the coolest bosses.
@@music79075 Everything from the Mountaintop of the Giants onwards, pretty much, including Farum Azula and Leyndell. You can make those claims all you want, it doesn't change my opinion. Uninspired enemies (mainly rehashed), a ridiculous increase in how tanky everything is. The bosses became more annoying than ever (massive HP, insane damage, inconsistent combos, bad camera, etc..)
The PS3/Xbox360 era was the last great leap forward in terms of graphics. I remember watching the E3 presentations about the upcoming PS4 and Xbox One and thinking "What... that's it?"
So, I don’t honestly believe that any core Nintendo-developed Zelda will let you play as a non-Link character. Maybe there’ll be small, specifically designed sections where you play as Zelda or something, but that’s likely to be the full extent of it if they even go that far. That said, I think if they were willing to let the player build Link into something other than a sword and board guy, that could potentially be a viable solution.
I was born in 99, but in New Zealand we always seemed to be 'behind' in the tech for a long time, so i remember going from Mario 64, to GTA SA, to COD MW2 and Deus ex HR, and that leap will always be amazing and memorable to me. Especially Deus Ex HR, I spent my childhood on ps2, as my brother was always on his ps3, so when I got on it finally and rented out human revolution, my mind was fucking blown and I got hit with 'holy shit games are amazing' fully. And even then, I do think modern generations of games do have the ability to affect 'wow this is phenomenal' though nowhere *near* the degree they once did. But the ps4 had some real lookers on it, things like sotc remake really still blow my mind in their visuals, though I do think we are increasingly heading to a plateau of visuals, which will be very dissapointing to reach.
I remember to install X-Wing there was a prompt to put in a specific word in a specific paragraph on a specific page of the instruction manual to try to protect it against piracy. And it was on 3.5" floppy disks. Later the CD version came out woowoo.
Coming back to this a year later what it seems they might have taken away from Elden Ring is, "We need to make the underground bigger" or "We need to make the champions summons." That said the game was purportedly basically finished when the delay was announced and it was just for polish, but after thinking back to this now I'm not entirely sure that this was entirely true.
I know about the era of PC rentals, because we had public libraries in my area that lent them out. That shit lasted into the very early 2010s here. I think by that point the last library I remembered having them had finally either lost, damaged, or removed from lack of interest. (Now, don't remember seeing a game made after 2006.)
By the end of my Elden Ring journey i did end calling them Runes and Grace.... But, i still call the estus Estus. 'flask of crimson tears' just doesnt have the same ring to it
I'm not old enough to experience the jump from 2d pixels to 3d polys, but I did the experience early 3D to HD. Playing early 3D gta games like lll, Vice City and San Andreas, to getting a PS3 and playing GTA IV was so dope. I thought that was the best it was going to be until, Max Payne 3, RDR 1 and GTA V were all released on the same console. It got me really excited for 8th gen potential, but looking back now, 8th gen didn't feel that impactful to what I experience in the 7th gen era. Now we have VR, which I think is the next step of immersion, but on the graphics side of things, Raytracing is going to take it to another level imo.
I agree and disagree withe the Souls and Runes comparison. I get what he means but disagree for two reasons. 1. In Elden Ring Runes are the culmination of a Soul so they are basically indistinguishable. 2. Its the same mechanical function. A rose by any other name is still just as sweet. Everybody calls Borderlands a diablo clone even though it calls itself Borderlands.
Woolie... You know they hated Jesus for speaking the truth. They're Souls. It's a Bonfire. And It's an Estus and I won't hear any different! I embrace becoming my parents.
The BOTW weapon durability and inventory stuff is remarkable in how it innovated in being bad when games had better ways of doing both things for _decades_ prior to it. The inventories from games like Morrowind even compare favorably to BOTW and it's not because Morrowind had some kind of amazing inventory system, it just wasn't an awful synthesis of Condemned: Criminal Origins' paper weapons and Resident Evil 5's nonsensical grid. Breath of the Ubisoft was the first Zelda game I've ever been disappointed by and I honestly wish they _did_ take a look at Elden Ring and decide to fix a bunch of stuff.
I legit wish games that were multiplat released with separate UIs for PC, purely because of how just simple and functional Morrowind's intentory (and everything else at the same time) was without any extra bullshit Now you have to suffer through weirdly large UI designed for controllers
I'm only 24 but man I miss Nintendo Power. I remember when you could find the issues at 7-Eleven every month and I would pick them up back in Middle School while getting a Slurpee.
Played the first Trails of cold steel for a while before elden ring came out and was surprised about how much I was enjoying it. Thats one of those games that looks very anime jrpg on the surface but gets really enjoyable once you bite in to the details of the combat and characters.
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Pat’s parents had the read of the fucking century god damn
Right. Big brain papa Pat knows his shit.
THE POWER OF CASUAL INTEREST AND THE HOSTILE READ IN ANALYSIS IS SURPASSED ONLY THROUGH EFFORT.
It's hard to overstate just how bad the Saturn flopped though, especially outside of Japan. Worthwhile games dried up pretty quick and looking at SEGA without having any personal hype, it was hard to see how the Dreamcast could claw it's way out of the hole the Saturn left.
I pretty much stopped playing games for a while because I had a Saturn and there was basically nothing to play on it. Some CAPCOM fighting games and not a lot else.
@@brokentower3148 It's so frustrating because back when they launched, I wanted a Saturn. By the time my family could afford one, it was already discontinued. All the local video stores just had a small shelf for it's games but entire walls for the ps1 and n64.
Woolie is right, straight through until the PS3, every console was "the Nintendo", and the games were "a Nintendo tape".
Love how the podcast is becoming more and more like going to the park and sitting next to the 2 old guys playing checkers and hearing them talk about the "good old days" and how "kids these days don't know what good life is"
Remember xenogears those were the days says the aging gremlin man.
@@aiydsfordayssarron6542 Kids these days don't even know about CD roms.....
They know their audience!
What makes it even worse, is sometimes they’re straight up right
That part about burning CDs fucking hit me in the heart. Good times. 1999-2004
In the time between DMC 4 and V there were
-10 Call of Duty games
-4 Halo games
-9 Assassin's Creed games
-2 GTA games (lol)
-and Fortnite became a thing
Don't even try to act like DmC did not come out between 4 and 5, while Capcom was shitting their pants with their IPs.
@@Raven_Frame I'm a Dead Rising fan, believe me, I know Capcom were shitting their pants
@@Raven_Frame Idk man, 4 and then 5 seems natural to me.
The Wii U started and ended production in that time frame.
That is a false equivalence, as Capcom did put out a Devil May Cry game in that period. It is like, if Ubisoft drops a Prince of Persia 4, I would still have to count PoP 2008/Forgotten Sands as games representing the franchise not being abandoned. With Final Fantasy, I think we also have to remember that Square id doing FF7 Remake and FF14, which is likely taking resources that would have gone to mainline Final Fantasy games in the 90s and 00s
Back then, even the jumps between games in the same gen were huge. Final Fantasy VII, VIII, and IX all look like they could be on three different consoles. These days a console’s full potential is unlocked pretty much from the get-go.
The graphical jump from Mario 1 to Mario 3 on the NES was insane
Halo Combat Evolved and Halo 2 were the same console 3 years apart which is insane to me still
@@kapkant6197 The Tech Demo of Halo 2 was even more impressive. Not sure if that demo on the scale of a whole game could run on the OG Xbox.
@@leithaziz2716 if there was anything that could eclipse the hype for MGS2, it was the 2004 Halo 2 tech demo.
People were blown away. It felt like you could do anything, the set piece cinematics in-level set the tone for Uncharted, the AI could drive, Master Chief could steal vehicles and combo a melee. Earth was under attack and the gloves were off.
They've still tried to capture that feeling in so many ways, even now.
1994 to 2002 or something was an incredible time for video games. Not only FF6 to 10 but also games like Command & Conquer, Diablo, Baldur's Quest, Fallout, Doom, Descent, Wipeout, Final Fantasy Tactics, Front Mission 3, Chrono Cross, Xenogears, Parasite Eve, MGS, Grandia, Suikoden 1 & 2, Vandal Hearts, Symphony of the Night, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Skies or Arcadia... ...and I'm certain I'm forgetting a ton. Living that time made you a gamer for life.
Something I also miss from the Halcyon days were school-yard rumors. like: "Hey you can fight Deoxys and go to space in Pokemon Emerald." Nowadays, the internet data-mines and crunches through games so quickly that any game released is fully unpacked within the week.
Same story but my friend convinced me Sephiroth was a playable character in Smash Brawl.
Seeing him become playable in Ultimate felt like coming full circle.
I've been waiting 12 years for Gears of Halo my buddy Jamie swore he played it at his dad's work where is it?!
I hate how those pokémon events where impossible to unlock unless you lived in a first world country with a Toys R Us reasonably nearby that actually cared and bothered to run the Mystery Gift events AND had the wireless adapter AND had parents willing to drive you over the few times the events were in the weekends (seriously, these shits weren't announced ANYWHERE except the store itself like a few days before the event). Otherwise you were shit out of luck and essentially had a gimped game.
Thank lord for emulators.
@@ginger-ham4800 The only reason I know of these things even *Existing* is because of the strategy guides.
@@ginger-ham4800 Right? I never knew about pokemon events until the 20th anniversary gamestop ones because they actually ADVERTISED IT ONLINE and you just show up and grab a lil card. No special equipment needed.
I also have a fun story about MGS1 that I want to share: I used to live in Kasachstan. Back then original games weren't a thing. Every game was on a burned cd and we used to have cracked ps ones. Original gameboxes weren't a thing either. So when the time came to look at the back of the box for meryls codec number, we were kinda screwed. I called my friend and asked him but he forgot the number. He gave me a telefon number of a random ass dude and I had to call him because apparently he new the right number. So I called him. That was an amazing conversation 🤣 That guy tolled me that I was the third one that day to call him and to ask for the codec. Fun times...
Here in brazil it was the same, with game stores just downright selling the pirated games
But the store i bought it from actually had mock.boxes.and put in merryls code in a slip of paper insode the box for mgs1.
Same thing with me when I bought games in the Middle East. You either get a plastic cover with the disk inside (there's usually a back page which mitigated the problem, but that wasn't always a thing) or the games get installed on your PS2 permanently. Since the internet wasn't a thing where I lived, you were basically out of options if you got stuck.
the game became an actual ARG
@@Maioly same thing in Southeast Asia here lol. Even child me thought that all of these amazing triple A PS2/PC games priced at around 1.60 USD each (taking inflation into account) was sus. They also had obviously photocopied covers that are slightly mismatched to the papers so you have some white strips where the printer failed to print the ink properly. Pre-2010 when that one shop still existed before the whole mall it was in got demolished, to build a new mall that no one goes to, and then the old mall gets rebuilt but no one goes there either....yeah I'm not salty.
@@Sercotani stores over here took it to an art form
one of the stores I used to frequent even had photos of them at an e3
they actually had boxes with properly made covers and shit too.
it actually got better as generations went
ps1 games were diamond cases with lil paper covers that were, as you put it, sometimes misprinted; some stores went the extra mile and included important details in the back of teh cover or an extra strip of paper.
Ps2 ones all got proper game cases, with proper covers, often high quality cases too (for pirated stuff) with very very rare misprints on the covers as it went along.
by 360 era (not ps3, cuz ps3 was impossible to pirate) the boxes were almost the exact same as official ones, it was hard to tell the difference even.
then ps4 generation happened and game piracy in that form practically died...
the store I most frequented, even had rent-a-console where you could pay for time on a set of consoles they had installed and play literally any game they had on the store... not anymore
had to close their main, bigger location, move to a far smaller store, and selling mostly non pirated stuff now, doing repairs and stuff; think nintendo switch piracy or the like is the main thing keeping them alive still.
While I didn't grow up with FF7 I have seen the commercials for it and I must imagine it was mind-blowing in 1997. "The most anticipated adventure of the year, never coming to a theater near you" probably hit harder than expected in the late 90s.
Me in 1997 watching the FMVs: "It looks so real!"
It's true. All of it.
It's hard to understand now (even for me, and I was there) but at the time PS1 graphics felt like they were near photorealistic.
I don't know why they felt real back then and don't now, but that's how it was.
The jump between ps1 and ps2 graphics must of been the most insane shit, going from character models tearing themselves apart when they walk to something like silent hill 2 and mgs 2 is wild
No console jump after that felt as impressive, imagine seeing ragdoll physics for the first time, as shitty as they looked back then
As a 36 year old, the crazy shift was from Super Nintendo/SEGA Genesis era of games graphics being only pixel art, to the N64/PlayStation era where games like Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil or Star Fox 64 were physically possible. I. The PS2 era, you jump to better graphics and the there being enough horse power for the first open world games to exist, but it isn’t quite the same leap in sheer possibility for games. Although there were clearly some standouts like the first HALO game for people unfamiliar with PC shooters. I remember getting an XBOX360, and that was when it started to dawn on me that the technological leaps were less sufficient now because only a few of the games really felt like that wouldn’t have been conceptually possible on older hardware.
I remember when the concept of your enemies corpse remaining behind, let alone be interactable in any fashion, was considered a high end feature in the same way that in depth character customizers are today. As macabre and degenerate as it sounds, a fourth of the fun of Fallout 3 on the PC was fucking about with dead bodies. The rest was modding and playing the game of course.
The big deal I remember people making in magazines from back then was when Prince of Persia: Sands of Time came out and the character would put his feet at different heights when you stand on stairs instead of just having a static standing animation.
I still remember the trailer for FFX, I almost have a stroke, we could not believe the jump in graphics. Wild stuff.
it was but at the same time it wasn’t. These guys come from mostly console consumer perspective. Arcade and PC were good 5 years ahead of console technologies and if you experienced either, it was this weird feeling of “oh they can do this in consoles now”. Myst came out before Playstation with FMV setpieces all over the game. Virtua Racing came out with full 60fps 480p in the 90s, and consoles could not hit 480p until 00s.
Final Fantasy X was such a mind blowing game that when I was first played it as a kid on our living room, my entire family sat there and wouldnt stop talking about how they used to play
Atari in their childhood and never thought games would ever look so realistic.
I hope they were there for the AH-HA-HA-HA-HA scene.
@@TheLurker1647 i would never wish that embarrassment on even my worst enemy.
@@charleswisconsin9196 I will forever defend the Laugh scene in Final Fantasy 10.
Its great
30:12 -- the bit about FF9 not having full voice acting despite releasing after MGS1
Fuckin', shoutouts to this shitty old public broadcast gaming show that got uploaded as "Gaming in the Clinton Years."
They review Final Fantasy 8, and they ended it with an aside,
"Oh, by the way! If Square doesn't add voice overs to Final Fantasy 9, I'm committing suicide. I hate text!"
Top marks for calling Zell "the ultimate geekazoid," though.
Voice acting in games was common place in PlayStation 1/N64 era. But it wasn't until a bit into the PlayStation 2 era that the expectation was that a high profile story centric game be fully voice acted. MGS1 was an exception. Even though I can remember plenty of other PS1 JRPGs like Grandia being partially voice acted
I had a SNES as a boy when all my friends had an N64 or PlayStation. My parents got it bundled with the Gameboy adapter because they thought the games would be cheaper, so most of my games weren't even SNES games. When we could afford a GameCube, it was the first post-3D console I ever got to touch. Overnight I went from playing Metroid II to Metroid Prime and it was like hitting the ludicrous speed in Spaceballs. I hardly survived it. Nothing will ever come close to that again.
"That's gone! That'll NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN!"
Pat, you've played Outer Wilds.
You're not wrong, but more importantly, nice avatar.
@@Graysett Thanks! .
"What do you mean there's real footage of MUF(F)" Woolie asks in church
It's okay dear. The Grampas reliving their glory days.
My first old person moment was when my niece corrected me when I called the 3DS a "Gameboy", then literally teased me and called me old.
Mine was when I was talking to a guy on discord and he described the sam raimi spiderman trilogy as "those old spiderman movies"
@@cobra29935 Don't let it settle in
I'm on the older side of zoomer and I'm starting to get old person moments. It was around the time I was talking to someone on Discord and they casually mentioned they were born in 2007 and I thought "How the fuck can you spell and play Persona?" before I remembered 2007 was 15 years ago.
To be fair, you deserved it.
@@kapkant6197
Dude, yikes. You just made me feel old as shit with that one.
I remember when FF 10 came out and the graphics blew all of our fucking minds. Then more Final Fantasies came out, and it was like our brains entered a new cosmic dimension in which the Final Fantasy was neither Fantasy nor Final, and it seemed plausible that at some point it would just be indistinguishable from live action and it would just keep getting more and more fucking amazing. FF10 was introduced to the public through shitty low grade magazine print screenshots. Then, actually seeing those fucking cutscenes? JESUS CHRIST. Truly, it was a good era.
It's worth having these conversations because it's hard to explain to younger gamers the difference between, say, MGS1 or FF7 which were damn good looking games on release, and then a few years later getting the LIGHTSPEED jump that was MGS2 or FFX.
Nintendo Power's last issue having a remake of the first ever issue's cover on it, now that's fucking kino. The last few years Nintendo Power would send out special subscriber covers that had no text whatever, just the artwork. I still got the 358/2 Days, Re:Coded and Pokemon HGSS version of those issues tucked away.
I distinctly remember a mid-90s mag that had a screenshot of something on the cover with the caption "The best graphics we've ever seen," and not even being able to figure out what the thing in the picture was supposed to be lol
It’s crazy that Pat got his SEGA Saturn from a coat factory
Burlington Coat Factory sold computers because Burlington Coat Factory was a party shop.
Okay so I had a similar experience back when I was a kid. I knew another kid named Josh who looked like a Mini Blues Brother but he had an Afro and refused to take the suit off. When we both got dragged to go to Christian Bible Camp for the week, he was telling me all about Team Fortress 2 on the Orange Box. Word for word, he explained each job and what the intro cutscenes looked like, it was the most magical moment I ever had because none of us had cellphones or the internet. They took all that away "So we can be in tune with God" so we just talked about video games.
I called Runes, Runes. And I called Blood Echoes, Blood. Do not project your weakness onto me, Darlington.
I vividly remember when Kingdom Hearts came out, my friend told me about it and he knew I was a huge FF fan. I still had just a PS1 in 2003 and was just playing FF7, 8 and 9 a lot. And he told me it was a cross between FF and Disney and that you fought in real-time and could jump around and stuff. It was completely amazing to me when he showed me the game. I couldn't believe it existed, from the crossover concept to the gameplay mechanics, it was such a crazy thing. And it really was amazing, it looked so vibrant and beautiful, and there was no action game - let alone an action RPG - that was as fast and smooth as KH. Well there was Star Ocean and Tales! But they're not even close to beingthe same thing.
MGS2 and FF10 were of course absolutely monumental too.
There will never be a time like that, and a jump like 5th to 6th gen again.
That jump from 2D to 3D was so mind blowing for a teenager. I would play King's Field and just wander for hours because I was IN the game. I could go anywhere, look at anything from any angle, it was everything I'd hoped for when playing Zelda or even earlier stuff like Temple of Apshai. There hasn't been as big a tech jump that big since except maybe VR.
I learned about Metal Gear Solid at a Walmart Demo Setup. One kid was saying to me "You got to try Metal Gear Solid." As a slightly bigger kid says "What are you talking about that game is not good." I put my PlayStation on layaway and had to do house stuff around the house for allowance to buy it out on time. I got my PlayStation out and played the demo disc for weeks until I bought Metal Gear Solid myself and reading the manual as my mom was lisining to her Faith Hill CD (That I got for her from the mail in CD's. LOL Free Music.) with the song "This Kiss" playing in the background.
xD
Great times.
it's, the way you love me.
it's, a feel like this.
Nobody will understand anymore the awe of video game models being able to be "round" or that handheld games can be 3D now or that video games being able to be played online, which is just a standard now.
All of those thing I don't feel were that long ago but they're pretty fucking long ago in the grand scheme of things.
Man even as a 23 year old I get what Pat means about games you read about in Magazines being the ones that really blew you away. To this day two of my favorite games I've ever played are Dragon Quest V's DS remake and Little King Story for the Wii; both of which I only learned about because of a Nintendo Magazine in my middle school's library. Like I eat up jrpgs today but really aside from Pokemon I'd never seen a game like that. Hell to get real crazy I may never have found SBFP and this channel if not for discovering Dragon Quest since the friends I made talking about that introduced me to the channel.
Love pats new setup, finally feels like hes invested in the cast again. Sitting up and actually being actively involved rather than slouching, paying 35% attention to the conversation.
Hearing Pat say "Aonuma played Elden Ring" reminded me of someone saying similar wrt Bayonetta 3, like "Bayo 3 got delayed because they looked at DMC5 and got scared" or something like, shit's hilarious
We went from the first version of MS-DOS to Windows XP in just 20 years. The speed of the technological development in the second half of the 20th century is an extreme outlier to the rest of human existence.
there was a reason why people thought space colonies and robots coming out in current year wasn't far fetched
I was reading my old game magazines the other day and every time I do, it's the same feeling they are saying 100%. It's wild.
I really regret getting rid of mine, but I've been reading some old issues of OPSM UK on the Internet Archive and it's crazy how perfectly I remember them! I miss that feeling of building a weird fantasy version of a game in my head from screenshots and a couple paragraphs
@@Ipsenscastle Yeah for sure, it's that feeling of all the possibilities that get your mind going.
this is the most despair inducing title I've ever read today
Hearing Sushi-X wasn't real, it's like hearing about Santa Claus all over again.
Holy shit, Sushi-X is Santa Clause?!
I gotta write in to EGM about this!
WAIT
I remember the cheap mystery boxes you could buy off the friend of a friend. 60 discs with the names written in a permanent marker 1/3 where broken, 1/3 where Fifa and duplicates but man that was box of classics. I was amazed anyone bought a PS1 game... then you'd discover disc 2 was missing and the pirates lacked taste.
18:00 In which Woolie and Pat pretend that Blur Studios doesn't exist. You can't tell me the Cinematic lie trailers for Elder Scrolls Online aren't the best there ever was
Blur Studios work on Halo Wars and Arkham City were top tier
If you want to see how much and how little graphics have evolved at points in the last 20+ years, look at Triple H.
When he said he was The Game, he was right.
My personal timeline of videogames is best exemplified by my experiences with RPG's.
Dragon Warrior 1 (Dragon Quest 1 now): Got it for free with a subscription to Nintendo Power and I was young enough that my parents had to help me read the dialogue. Games can't get better than this.
Dragon Warrior 3: Oh shit, multiple party members? A whole world to explore? The plot? RPG's can't get better than this!
Final Fantasy 3 (6 now): Okay, now games can't get better than this.
Final Fantasy 7: This was super nuts. After this I played a ton of other RPG's (Breath of Fire 3, Star Ocean 2, what have you) but they stopped being the big leaps in complexity during the PlayStation age, until...
Final Fantasy 10: Okay, isn't this just a movie, now?
Yeah, Dragon Warrior 1 to Final Fantasy 10 was an amazing time.
My hot take is that someone at Platinum played DMC5, and that's why Bayo 3 is taking so long.
I was born in 93 and I love hearing people your age going over 90s gaming nostalgia. Specifically SNES through PSX.
pre or post River Phoenix?
The Nintendo 64 and The PS1 era of gaming REALLY did revolutionize just how even look at games. Not saying that the NES, Genesis, or even the Atari didn’t but my GOD from FF7, to MGS, to Mario 64 and Ocarina. REALLY cultural touchstones that inspired generations and elements are STILL using to this day.
Love that era. Goodness gracious.
It's been 11 years since Skyrim, and 11 years up to Skyrim we had both Morrowind and Oblivion released
Who else immediately felt their age the moment they remembered the same things these two did?
I just feel an immense sadness that I can't go back.
Considering how the devs of Deadspace said in direct interviews that they wanted to make RE4 in space. That's the best example in my opinion
people need to remember, not even counting japanese only releases, Square in 90s had the one of the best platinum streak of quality game releases of all time. Masterpiece after masterpiece.
If you want something that's also as crazy is that Square was one of the most hated companies in the gaming industry not even a decade ago. After how poorly the FF13 trilogy and the original FF14 release went just about EVERYONE hated Square and now people won't stop singing their praises (FF14: HW carrying the rebound pretty hard).
2013 was a rough ass year for games, especially Japanese ones. That was the year that gave us Lightning Returns iirc.
@@kapkant6197 It was the Year of the Bow, and the Year of Luigi.
@@kapkant6197 The 7th generation as a whole was a blight on the gaming industry.
@@Kango234
It was honestly worse than the previous gen. Yeah, it was the move to HD, so there was still that gen-jumping magic that has since evaporated, but between the push for more linear, “cinematic” experiences, the overtutorializing, the agonizing business moves of many beloved Japanese developers (ex. Square, Capcom, Konami, etc), and just the general deterioration of tried-and-true game design principles in major mainstream releases, that generation really suffered a lot for me. It’s actually the era that pushed me out of playing video games altogether for a long time.
@@Kango234 7th gen had Halo 3, Dead Rising, Arkham City and Black Ops 2 tho
And now I miss the stacks and STACKS of Gamepro's I used to have from the 90's through the mid 2000's.
♫ Ga~ming in the '90s ♪
I was absolutely sure MGS4 was the peak of graphics. They literally couldn't get any better.
That comparison conversation reminded me about when Arkham Asylum first came out and SO MANY GAMES tried to get the same feel.
And none of them ever got the combat to feel as good.
I wonder if we are going to enter an age of Sifu clones, or is that combat style going to be too hard for lazier devs to copy
@@TheJadedJames Devs couldn't even copy Arkham City and make it feel good, Sifu will be impossible for hacks to recreate
They're "runes" when you have them, but they're "souls" when you need to go pick them up.
No Woolie, you are not gonna get to play as Urbossa
I think he just straight up forgot they're dead, lol
Man, FFX's opening cutscene was so fucking crazy going from FF9 PS1 to PS2
why would yall go BACK to the 00:20 intro T_T/ it was so good at 00:10
I remember trying to convince my mom to let me have a PS2, going through the list of how I've saved up enough money for it, I've been real good, I get good grades, and how I've really thought through this big purchase. Which had to be a funny speech to hear from a 9 year old. When I finally got it, I remember being so engrossed in Dark Cloud, I just played it all day. I think the last game I played before that was probably Hey You Pikachu or some other N64 game I can't remember.
I made a deal with my mom that if I got to class on time every day that year I would get a PS2 for Christmas. I got to class on time, and I got a PS2 along with copies of Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy X, and Devil May Cry.
2002 was a good Christmas.
I am really glad to have a good friend since middle school who lent me their copy of MGS2 on the PS2. Really thankful for that
No amount of words in this comment can equate to how much I miss getting video game magazines in the mail. Demo discs. A month to digest everything in an issue.
Fun fact: MegaMan Legends did Z-Targetting first *BY A WHOLE YEAR* . Ocarina Of Time absolutely stole that title and everybody keeps spreading that misinformation so hard that chances are whoever is reading this comment probably didn't even know.
Wasn’t Mega Man Legends’ targeting garbage, though? And I’m pretty sure there’s footage or screenshots of OOT’s targeting system that predates Legends, but I could be wrong.
Nintendo, Capcom, Blizzard, Marvel, EA, Ubisoft. A lot of corporations do nothing but steal from someone else and rebrand as theirs, and most people will accept it as the truth because the marketing budget is bigger.
The thing that really threw my baby brain off back in those days was that Silent Hill(1999) blew my fucking mind at how terrifying it was already. Then I saw my older cousin who had a PS2 play Silent Hill 2 a couple of years later...
Not only was growth huge between console generations, but it was also incredible to see how much the games improved from the beginning to the end of their given generation. Early PS1 games pale in comparison to late PS1, same for PS2 and even PS3, and that had to do with how unique console architecture used to be versus how standardized they are today, starting with the PS4/Xbone running on very similar architecture.
I can sympathize a lot with boomer parents now that I'm 32 and my 9 year old nephew is playing some different bullshit every week on my Playstation Now account and I can never tell what the hell he's playing.
I'm like, "Oh, hey bud, is that Fat Princess?"
And he's like "No, this is HAPPU WARS!"
(these are bad examples but it's mostly just Roblox mods that he plays nowadays)
Happy Wars is still around? I was playing that shit on my 360 when I was 9 a decade ago!
My favorite old gamer memory to relate to the young uns is that I remember playing Halo on Christmas morning thinking that I didn't see any way that graphics could get much better than that.
I remember going into film mode of Halo 3, zooming in as far as I could see, and seeing tons of little scratches on Master Chiefs armor and thinking the exact same thing.
Lock-on targeting was around before Ocarina of Time. Ocarina of Time’s Z-Targeting just snapped you into a different looking cool view when you used it.
I remember back in middle school in the 90s seeing another student with a game magazine that had a mini story about Rockman X, and being stupefied that my games came from another country.
i remember the first time i saw a Pokemon card. in Japanese.
You know Woolie does have a point about the rouls and runes
rouls
Kinda but not really. Souls and runes are the complete exact same thing. While the SNES can't play a Dreamcast game which can't play a PS2 game.
Looking at Elden Ring and saying "oh is that the new Zelda?" would be way more similar
*Tidus laughing at the time gap between FF6 and FFX*
9:06 Pat literally talking about the power of imagination haha
I lived through this time. This talk about it first made me happy, and then it made me very sad.
Dreamcast had 2 amazing years, and a respectable 2 years of being not quite dead, and it maintained a cult following to rival 16-bit fans.
It might not be a greater undead like a Demi-Lich or Vampire Lord, but that system deserves far more respect than it gets.
I feel like the Sega Saturn gets way less respect than the Dreamcast, even outside of the gem-filled japanese-only library, there were some really great titles for that console.
Despite being born two years after it came out, for some reason I'm rather fond of the Saturn.
@@marcellosilva9286
Saturn had a lot of great games. However SoA mishandled everything about the CD/32X which generated backlash for the launch that got limited marketing.
It never had any "good" years in NA.
In fact, the Saturn in NA almost completely tanked SoA, where the DC in NA almost single-handedly saved Sega from pulling out of the Hardware market.
If the PS2 weren't launched the following year, which prompted like half the massive installed DC user-base selling used DCs to pick up a PS2, and the BLEEM didn't hit legal issues before release (Imagine DC playing up-rezzed PS1 games), the DC would have been an equal to the PS2.
But more importantly, Pat wasn't making fun of the Saturn in this segment. He did for the DC.
Lmao is woolie holding a Yamato letter opener?
You don't have one?
Jesus, Shushi-X is such a deep cut
The literal only reason that i ever got intoduced to FF was because a guy at a eb games lied to my father that the FFVIII opening cut scene was the whole game
My “but we’re not there yet” moment was playing games where you were blown away that the final credit song had an actual singer. It was mind blowing, and then there were games like FFX with near full voice acting and it was surreal. Like to this day, I’ll play games and my brain will go “amazing, someone’s singing in this song!” even though all 200 hours of the game had full voice acting, it’s weird lol
9:15 Hype, Hype never changes
I remember checking out Halo on PC from my local library back in the day. And then burning it onto a separate disc
I say runes sometimes but I always say soul puddle when they're on the ground
its amazing that, at one point, everyone was the doom 2016 review guy
“Do you call them souls or runes?”
Bold of you to assume that everyone thinks like you, Woolie. I play Souls games and I still call them runes in Elden Ring.
I would have gone with something kids play that millennials don’t care about for the “I used to be with it” analogy.
damn ff15 is almost 6 years old, back then there would be 3 games in this timespan
I beg to differ Pat.
Elden Ring blew me away and completely eradicated my expectations just like when I was a child.
The endgame of Elden Ring also blew me away in terms of how much it sucked, after being so good in the first half.
@@handzar6402 what are you talking about? The End game was amazing!
@@music79075 Couldn't disagree more. It soured my experience on the entire game. From the bosses and enemies to the areas, I thought it was poorly done.
@@handzar6402 What part are you refferring to as End Game?
Farum Azula was fantastic 10/10.
The Fire Giant place was at least a 7/10.
Consecrated Snowfield & Haligtree was like a DLC expansion pack in the game and was altogether a solid 9 out of 10 and Lyndell Capital was 9/10 on its own and the Ashen version was a fun surprise. It also had some of the coolest bosses.
@@music79075 Everything from the Mountaintop of the Giants onwards, pretty much, including Farum Azula and Leyndell. You can make those claims all you want, it doesn't change my opinion. Uninspired enemies (mainly rehashed), a ridiculous increase in how tanky everything is. The bosses became more annoying than ever (massive HP, insane damage, inconsistent combos, bad camera, etc..)
The last time I remember being genuinely stunned by graphics was when the trailers for Battlefield 3 started being dropped before release.
The PS3/Xbox360 era was the last great leap forward in terms of graphics. I remember watching the E3 presentations about the upcoming PS4 and Xbox One and thinking "What... that's it?"
@@KageMinowara Rockstar Table Tennis blew our hecking minds.
So, I don’t honestly believe that any core Nintendo-developed Zelda will let you play as a non-Link character. Maybe there’ll be small, specifically designed sections where you play as Zelda or something, but that’s likely to be the full extent of it if they even go that far. That said, I think if they were willing to let the player build Link into something other than a sword and board guy, that could potentially be a viable solution.
I was born in 99, but in New Zealand we always seemed to be 'behind' in the tech for a long time, so i remember going from Mario 64, to GTA SA, to COD MW2 and Deus ex HR, and that leap will always be amazing and memorable to me. Especially Deus Ex HR, I spent my childhood on ps2, as my brother was always on his ps3, so when I got on it finally and rented out human revolution, my mind was fucking blown and I got hit with 'holy shit games are amazing' fully. And even then, I do think modern generations of games do have the ability to affect 'wow this is phenomenal' though nowhere *near* the degree they once did. But the ps4 had some real lookers on it, things like sotc remake really still blow my mind in their visuals, though I do think we are increasingly heading to a plateau of visuals, which will be very dissapointing to reach.
Being this close to Pat after a few years of couch is
intimidating...
33:18 Does Woolie realize he’s basically describing Genshin Impact?
I remember to install X-Wing there was a prompt to put in a specific word in a specific paragraph on a specific page of the instruction manual to try to protect it against piracy. And it was on 3.5" floppy disks. Later the CD version came out woowoo.
Coming back to this a year later what it seems they might have taken away from Elden Ring is, "We need to make the underground bigger" or "We need to make the champions summons." That said the game was purportedly basically finished when the delay was announced and it was just for polish, but after thinking back to this now I'm not entirely sure that this was entirely true.
I know about the era of PC rentals, because we had public libraries in my area that lent them out.
That shit lasted into the very early 2010s here. I think by that point the last library I remembered having them had finally either lost, damaged, or removed from lack of interest. (Now, don't remember seeing a game made after 2006.)
By the end of my Elden Ring journey i did end calling them Runes and Grace....
But, i still call the estus Estus. 'flask of crimson tears' just doesnt have the same ring to it
I thought sushi x was just one person but that they just valued anonymity
I'm not old enough to experience the jump from 2d pixels to 3d polys, but I did the experience early 3D to HD. Playing early 3D gta games like lll, Vice City and San Andreas, to getting a PS3 and playing GTA IV was so dope. I thought that was the best it was going to be until, Max Payne 3, RDR 1 and GTA V were all released on the same console. It got me really excited for 8th gen potential, but looking back now, 8th gen didn't feel that impactful to what I experience in the 7th gen era.
Now we have VR, which I think is the next step of immersion, but on the graphics side of things, Raytracing is going to take it to another level imo.
"Are they Runes or are they Souls."
Me: O.O Oh god. They're Souls. I have become the old.
I am now at the point where everything is Nintendo.
29:34 the bar was straight up raised *during* development
My first ever video game magazine was issue 1 of Video Games & Computer Entertainment with Blaster Master on the cover.
I think I still have an italian magazine which was talking about the up and coming MvC3, dead space and Last Guardian
I agree and disagree withe the Souls and Runes comparison. I get what he means but disagree for two reasons.
1. In Elden Ring Runes are the culmination of a Soul so they are basically indistinguishable.
2. Its the same mechanical function. A rose by any other name is still just as sweet. Everybody calls Borderlands a diablo clone even though it calls itself Borderlands.
Woolie... You know they hated Jesus for speaking the truth. They're Souls. It's a Bonfire. And It's an Estus and I won't hear any different! I embrace becoming my parents.
It’s just hitting me why my dad was able to bring back so many PC games when he went to Canada back in the day…
The BOTW weapon durability and inventory stuff is remarkable in how it innovated in being bad when games had better ways of doing both things for _decades_ prior to it. The inventories from games like Morrowind even compare favorably to BOTW and it's not because Morrowind had some kind of amazing inventory system, it just wasn't an awful synthesis of Condemned: Criminal Origins' paper weapons and Resident Evil 5's nonsensical grid.
Breath of the Ubisoft was the first Zelda game I've ever been disappointed by and I honestly wish they _did_ take a look at Elden Ring and decide to fix a bunch of stuff.
I legit wish games that were multiplat released with separate UIs for PC, purely because of how just simple and functional Morrowind's intentory (and everything else at the same time) was without any extra bullshit
Now you have to suffer through weirdly large UI designed for controllers
I have tried 3 times to play thru botw and i just cant. Its so boring lol
Crazy that BoTW came out over 5 years ago and people are still whining about the durability likes it’s a new topic, who fucking cares anymore
@@Limit02 Crazy that someone comments on something talked about in the video they just watched, I know.
I'm only 24 but man I miss Nintendo Power. I remember when you could find the issues at 7-Eleven every month and I would pick them up back in Middle School while getting a Slurpee.
i litterally had the same experience when i booted up ffx for the first time and my mum was like wow are those real people?
Play the Trails games, they're cool.
Played the first Trails of cold steel for a while before elden ring came out and was surprised about how much I was enjoying it. Thats one of those games that looks very anime jrpg on the surface but gets really enjoyable once you bite in to the details of the combat and characters.
i dunno, Trails of Tears turned a lot of people off.