Save Thousands on Your Floor Heat System, DIY Rough In of Crete Heat Panels and PE RT
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- Today we go over the rough in of the crete heat panel system and PE-RT line for our radiant floor heat system in the new building. I bought everything at Thermo Supply in West Middlesex Pa and they are great to work with. If you are building your own building this is something that you can do yourself and in doing so save thousands of dollars.
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Mike , you are such a perfectionist....everything you do has 110% effort and it shows.....love watching all your projects unfold...have a super day.
Not to mention the skull sweat before the physical work starts
Glad you decided to keep talking. Would have been hard to figure out today’s video,lol.
My first time watching on my flat screen tv - but have to go to my phone to comment. LOVED IT❣️ Great video Mike and everything looked absolutely wonderful!!! I can’t wait to see a moment of video in the winter with bare feet on the floor with freezing temps outside ☺️. Marcus from Chesapeake VA.
Mike check with plumber Jim, but your tubing might be too close to the toilet flange. You could melt the wax seal.
A mounted camera and time lapse of the tubing install would have been nice to see. Looks good!
That is a good thought for the rest of the building's installation of the radiant heat panels and tubing.
That’s cool that it is an American made system. Great attention to detail on the install
Hello Hunter, great. seeing you bud.
Good morning everyone, 57 in Calgary Alberta at 6am....a gorgeous day ahead, Steve
I enjoyed watching.
I don't think I'll ever install such a system. But it's fun to watch.
I'm 42 miles from you as I watch this at an Amish funeral in New Wilmington PA.
Mike , love the building..I have been following you for some time now and when you said you got everything in west middlesex I didn’t know how close you are to us! We are just over the border into Ohio! We are getting ready to build a home and have decided on a Barndo style so this video is a big help! And if your concrete guy will come this far we will be talking to home!
Awesome informational video. You're doing a great job!!
Good morning Hunter!!
Good morning Mike . You might want hang some plumb bobs from the rafters to show the layout for the walls . All you need is some string , 3/4 inch nuts and some kind of strapping to go between the rafters . It is cheap and easy . I'm sure you already have that stuff already .
Mike just make sure the radiant tubing isn’t to close to the toilet wax seal. Great video!
They make special toiler seals for radiant heat.
It looks good Mike!!! Keep up the good work
Good morning Hunter :-) and family and friends :-)
Looking good! Keep up the good work
Phil here from NE Indiana. The crete heat panels are the ticket. Wow. And the way the PE-RT lines pop into the panels. Thanks for sharing the install. I hope you'll have time to share when the concrete comes. This is pretty cool Mike.
Mike, good looking job.
I work on in floor radiant heat, best tool you can get is a cell phone mounted Flir camera. find that tubing in the concrete before you drive any anchors in the floor.
When I did my house I made sure I had more than enough heat in the shower. This makes sure the floor is dried to keep out mold.
Lots of progress with help!! Looks really good. Be safe and "Have a Day" !!!
Will be interested in the boiler portion of the video. Guessing you will be burning wood. Great tutorial Mike! Keep up the great videos.
That will be nice when it get done
Mike, I have a suggestion. As you showed us around, the office did not appear to have a window. Having worked in an office without a window for a couple of years, I can tell you that I didn't like it too much. If you want to put in a window, now would be the time. Just a thought.
Agree,not having a window is very so to speak depressing. It's nice to be able to look out even if it's brief.I find it more inviting and I get more done.
I built a shop with no windows because I am easily distracted. Worked great for a few years. Now I think it is nice to let some of the outside in.
Perhaps he’s going to install windows that look into the shop and family room? That’s an option too.
Hi,that floor heating is going to be so nice.Thanks for going through the installation.Love the fact its all USA
looks like a gigantic leggo sheat..... I like it
can't wait for the whole job to be completed. ready for use.
I’m not to far from you in Just south of Pittsburgh in Elizabeth, we use limestone “dust” that seems to have many names, manufactured sand, Pocono, etc. for bedding pipe and base for building retaining walls, that would work good for getting a good smooth surface that will pack under that insulation, that 2A you got doesn’t look right, the 2A we get is smaller from Rich hill quarry in Connellsville, nice to see how easy that insulation is to install, my shop is 15 years old, we installed the tubing to the wire mesh on top of 2” foam board, wish I had the stuff your using back then! I have no regrets with the heated floor, works awesome when it’s freezing outside and working in equipment, my boiler makes hot water for my sinks, hose bibs too, you will love the warm floors!!
Even though it’s a few years ago I will be returning back home next spring to start my garage and home and want what you’re doing .
This is going to work great. the system you installed is better than what we typically see in Wisconsin. With your climate you should get maximum benefit from a high efficiency boiler with outdoor reset. I would consider a combi boiler that also heats your domestic water. If I were closer I would be there helping you for free. Well maybe a little trade with some time in the mini cabin later this year.
Mike, If you knew exactly where the interior walls were going to be, you could have omitted the tubing along the wall path to be able to anchor the wall to the floor with Tapcon's.
Sand for a bedding material works well, however you need to cover it with poly so that the moisture in the concrete doesn't leach into the sand. You want a slow evaporation of the moisture to reduce the cracking.
You mentioned that you had a contractor that was going to do the pour and finishing of the concrete. Are you using fiber reinforcement?
Great Job and much success with this projects and looking forward to a final view … from here in Lancaster County, PA the opposite side of the Common Wealth of Pennsylvania …. you are living a dream and totally enjoy your channel 👍🇺🇸👍
MIKE, gotta love American made ! $7500 may sound extreme, buy once,, cry once but it ain't gonna BREAK!!!!!
AMEN brother - we fought for it and died for it and if I can, I'll always buy American made.
Compare that to what it would cost for someone who doesn't have Mike's talents and now, the time to work on it. An outside company would have cost more and I would like to have known how much more. The advantage is that if you pay other people, it would have gotten done sooner.
@@robertdendooven7258 Not a lot of "professionals" any more that do real,quality, work. ......or finding THAT crew that fits your schedule. maybe I'm too 'picky'. On a job that's labor intensive , you can save a boat load of cash by doing it yourself, it's just the time involved.
Love your channel
You got that right!
Mike if you want you can always check metal stud framing the nails to set the track are only 1/2 long and drove by hand just use the track part and fasten your wood to the track it work's pretty good i used it many time have a day
Mike that looks like a superb job!!
Kind of looks like a Lego Giant Project!!
Great Job!!👍👊
Great video Mike. Thanks 👍👍👍❤️
GREAT project - well presented, Mike !! You are definitely a "detailed" installer !! You tell us EVERYTHING !! Thank you so much !!
Good morning from Upstate South Carolina. Nice work Mike. Great video explanation.
I've been to Drake's well in Titusville Pa. while visiting a friend from there when we were in graduate school together in the late 80s at Clemson University.
Have a productive day.
A lot of thinking goes into building anything and I think you nailed it it’s coming along nicely
Like always top notch work
Enjoyed today's jabbering. Have a day......
Your channel is just awesome 😎👌
I have a few friends with this system. I have seen -25° and building is 60 degrees. Low ac requirements. You will love this.
Man, it would frighten me a bit to take on that job, but you just jump in and get it done. I guess I lack the self confidence that you have. Very informative video Mike. Thank you!
Good afternoon Morgans & friends. System looks good Mike. Much simpler then back in the day. Guy I worked for doing concrete had a cobble stone drive and it was heated. No damage from snow removal and no cleanup in winter. Think I would have tried to terminate the ends in a interior area instead of exterior wall but I doubt if you'll have troubles. Thanks for sharing and we'll see ya down the road......
Great job Mike. Thanks!
We did 2 radiant floor systems in the early days of the wirsbo and pex. the new products are so much better. We did polybutyl before pex was available. We installed on a compacted sand base without insulation and they are still working but the knowledge and products have come so far.
My floors are 4" or less and I used 3" tapcons for fastening my bottom plate.My tubing was stapled to the foam with a grid of #4 rebar over it.
I like the insulation panels. I used 2" flat panels on my floor. And tied the pexalpex to the rebar and used the wire panels to gauge the loops. Fill your pex with water before you pour or it can float. I also recommend going with 5" of concrete or you will have problems sawing your control joints. I have 9 loops and three zones it works fabulous!
Glad to see American made materials being used. I do try to buy everything I can from my clothing ,boots,tools and everything we purchase American made. Keep our neighbors working. Thanks for your videos.
Mike I used flat insulation board with reinforcing wire on top to zip tie my pex pipe to, it's not near as fast to install but at the time I did it I had less than half the money into it. Just another idea for someone that might have more time and less money. Your building is coming along nicely and I enjoy the content, by the way I enjoy your talking so that I can listen while I drive.
Good evening Mr Morgan. Very nice design from Thermo supply, very nice materials, excellent fitting of materials. You did a very good job. I will wait for the next videos.
Wisconsin also huge in Cranberry production.
Dairy is huge there as well.
While Woodhouse are at Wolf Ridge firewood frenzy this weekend, I will be "working" the Dairyland Grand National truck and tractor pull in Tomah, Wisconsin.
Munching on cheese curds!
Wow Mike you and Melissa uncle Jay did fantastic job. You must have saved quite bit money on all the labor that you put in so far. Like the fact that everything is made in America, that you put in, and it’s all looks so neat.
Good Morning Hunter and Mike!! 😎😎
Forgive me if this has already been mentioned but I didn’t see provisions for floor drains in the garage portion layout?? If you haven’t considered it, you will NEVER regret putting in full length trough drain from front to back. You will however ALWAYS regret not doing it. Love the building Mike, keep up the good work.👍🏻
Nice work Mike!!
He Mike, here in Florida we use crushed recycled concrete for base material. My first experience with it was when the pool company used it under my brick paver patio around the pool. They put it down like you did the 2A limestone (plate compacted) but wet it real well before compacting. When it dried, it was like concrete. If you have it in PA, I suggest you try using it around your pool.
Nice job mike. Looks like a giant lego pad .
Looking good Mike!
Good morning Mike and Melissa God Bless from Joel in Pilot Knob,Mo
I got a Knob Noster Missouri T shirt and I’m wearing it home!
Beautiful installation. I put radiant heat in my new construction house in 2007. The basement install involved attaching the pex to concrete reinforcing wire with zip ties. I had no diagrams to go by. The concrete guys rolled over it with wheelbarrows full of concrete when pouring the basement. I was horrified there would be leaks but it all worked out. Pex is virtually indestructible.
Mike, looks great!!! J.R.
Holy shit bub you are kicking as* looks really impressive
How many times have you looked at the new bldg, inside/outside, and said "Wow"? Once the interior is finished I'm sure you'll say that a few more times. Then there's the pool install!
Regarding the stone, the gradation of the stone can vary at the plant according to how much segregation occurs during handling. If the plant uses conveyors to stockpile materials, segregation can occur especially if the material is allowed to free fall to the stockpile. Large particles have less rolling resistance so they will segregate from the finer particles and end up at the bottom of the pile. Plants that are vigilant about this phenomena will lower the conveyor down to where it is near the top of the stockpile and continually raise it as the pile builds. This helps limit the free fall to minimize segregation. But it takes additional labor so not all plants do it. The state sometimes takes samples for evaluation so plants that sell to state funded projects have to be on their toes about this.
David, that is precise info on stone. Not many people would know this kind of information. I have noticed that most of the info you post is precise!
@@realairplane261 Good Morning RA ! Thanks for the compliment !
@@realairplane261 I am listening to some old Hank Williams recordings this morning since Mike didn't post. That music puts me in the right mood.
Great job Mike should be nice and cozy in the winter ❄️👍
magic video, thanks Mike
Good morning Mike and Hunter, thanks for sharing with us. Great video of your heating system in your new building. That looks awesome, you’re doing a great job and it shows. Getting closer to pouring the concrete! Keep up the good work and videos. Fred. 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👋👋
we use 1/4 stone and its great very easy to move and level and great compaction
Awesome job Mike. Looks like a professional did it. Keep on Rockin!!!!
Make sure you take lots of pictures and measurements for where the pipes are for when you start anchoring interior walls and saw cuts in the floor. Looks really good!
That's a good idea especially since the pex cannot be located with a metal detector.
Look good
I’ve been in the HVAC industry for 40 years...and own Air-Tech service here in Troup and Tyler Texas....and I absolutely recommend this system. Great job Mike!
So you can use it for cooling too?
@@davidmorse8432 Yes, but that is a different ball game. A friend of mine has a shop about the size of Mike's. He has three deep wells for ground source heat pumps. That system takes the 50 degree, or less ground temperature, and circulates the fluid (think antifreeze) so it can be used for heating or cooling through the heat pumps. I have been in there in the cold winter months. You could sleep on the floor and the temperature is the same at 6 feet above. It is so even throughout.
@@i.r.wayright1457 Thank you I.R. I always wondered about that because cooling also requires lowering the humidity and I didn't know how the radiant system could handle that portion of HVAC. My parents had radiant heating in our basement . It was built back in the mid 50' so this is nothing new. It used soft copper pipe coiled in the concrete. We didn't have AC but the basement was always the cool place to be because, having the earth to surround it, it stayed cool. Always nice and warm in the winter too. There was a slight humidity problem though in the summer.
@@davidmorse8432 this system wouldn’t be used for cooling . You would want a separate ground source for the heat transfer for a heat pump. The condenser coil of a ground source heat pump utilizes fluid circulating in the ground to absorb the heat from it vs air over the coil. This puts the heat into the ground... so if you tried to use this system.... it would put the heat into the floor of the area you are trying to cool. This system could be used for a chilled water loop .... but I haven’t cared for in slab cooling as too much inefficiency and causes your floor to sweat like a cold glass of tea
@@rgd2598 I understand what you are saying and thank you for your input. Sounds like Mike will need a totally separate system to provide AC. I live in the south (N.E. Texas) and heat pumps work well because the temperatures seldom get below 40 degrees. The heat pumps do an awesome job of air conditioning in the summer.
Wow Mike that looks awesome boy what a great job you have done can't wait to see the finished product 😀👏
I like your new video today rhis is looking really nice and your shops you guys doing really good jop i love your video
My 2K sq ft shop has had in floor for 20 years. This system looks slick for installing. I question the 300’ on 1/2”. More loops allows more heat to be injected and shorter lengths is less head restriction. I stayed @240’ x 8 loops. One thing about in floor if you got a chill you ain’t gonna go over and turn Tstat and have heat in 5 minutes. Installing a hanging heater either hot water or gas is nice to get a quick recovery if doors are opened. But for efficiency and having warm floors it is nice.
Mike, you mentioned fastening your interior walls to the concrete with adhesive. If your able to have your Crete heat system hooked up and on then you can take a garden hose and lightly wet the concrete. With the heat on the concrete will start to dry where your tubing is first, allowing you to know where to fasten your walls with tap cons, powder actuated pins, etc. Just a suggestion good luck!!
Great explanation! I really appreciate you taking the time to show the actual panels, the plans, the suppliers and your feedback. I’m not planning to install anything like this right now but I know I can go back to this video and check it out when I need the knowledge!
Hi Hunter! Good to see you! Mike, you are well on the way. So glad you had help on this project.
That floor system looks incredible! We use pea gravel in South West Ohio to level the floors for systems like that here! Hydronic floor heating systems have come such a long way in the years! Our plumbing shop was heated with water 50 years ago by some innovative old owners who were so smart! Miss the old timers! But you're continuing that tradition through RUclips and yes American Made is important! Thanks Mike great video!
Mike - Looking goo-ood. Blessings to your family. Hi to Melissa, Hunter, Hannah, & Eva.
Great video, thank you for sharing.
Mike! I'm so grateful for your explanations of the process and the origin of the products that you are using. I think it is so helpful for any of us who might be going through this type of building phase either now or in the future. Great job! 👍💪
Back in the day your uncle probably did the double bubble and the barbed plastic staple system, worked but it was a bugger sometimes. Blessings Morgan's
And pressure test with 30-40psi air and leave it pressurized when you pour to help keep the tubing from crushing when stepped on. And if the concrete starts bubbling you can find the leak quick!
Spot on and thanks Mike...all American made. Plastics made from hydrocarbons and just to add the insulation panels are most likely based from hydrocarbon. That industry fed my family, paid for the education of my children and provided for my retirement. I am proud of that by the way if people have not already guessed it. Informative video...thanks!
Thanks Mike for the detailed discussion of your radiant system, and especially the encouragement that a guy w/ some basic skills could tackle the rough in. Very helpful for us as we’re leaning toward radiant heat four an RV garage and my new shop - in the Land of Cheese (WI), so we won’t have to go far for the Crete panels. It was nice to see the beginnings of this building after I’ve seen a lot of your other videos that include the finished project. Getting the stove level to +/- 1/4” sounds like the toughest part. Guess I’ll be getting that fancy laser level after all.
we have radiant in my sons 100 foot shop its incredible hes big mason upper nys and does lot of them and now in house floors
Great video Mike 👍 Fast paced, informative, and well done. Your videos seem so normal, natural. Super 😎
Way to go Mike, looks really good. I cant wait to see the pour on this huge building. What a job!!
Just bought this stuff for our build. Seems like a good product.
One of the biggest overlooked piece of the system is what u have the pink foam on out side walls I spray foam (my business) and do floors I have this on particular customer gives me a fare amount of work I did his garage 8000 sqft told him u won't regret it told him it's very important to do outside walls (him)but I don't want to see the foam I foamed up to concrete line
He's heating ($650 month) with very small propane boiler on wall! 2high 8" thick 16" wide
Heat attracts cold it's like having a big wool sweater on and remove one sleeve (Outside wall)
Very very important piece of puzzle most people say cost to much to operate not if it's done right don't forget to put a temperature sensor in concrete much better control 😀
Good morning everyone. 57º in Kansas City. Front came through Sunday evening dropping the temperature and humidity.. Stay safe, be humble & kind and have a day.
Good morning Phil, 83 feels like 94 here in the Florida Keys.
51 @ 5 AM in Hannibal, Mo.
Good morning Phil! Enjoy your day!
All,
Made it to Gas City Indiana yesterday on the way back home. Nice and cool 55° this morning. Gasoline is $3.09.
May cruise through Shipshewana today? Love the Amish country. 199 miles from home.
Hi guys! That front is supposed to move through here late this morning, with lows dropping into the upper 50s tonight and the next couple of days. Highs in upper 70s too. Should be nice.
We use about a 1.5 in layer of stone dust up here in the NE for finish before laying the insulation. Compacts awesome and easy to move.
Enjoy your videos. Back when my brother and I were playing contractor in Indiana, we used limestone chips under the concrete. It packed very well and was easy to move and dig up if we made a mistake. I had the concrete in my barn complete when I thought of floor heat, to late then. Glade to see your planed for it.
The floor panels look awesome. Nothing's cheap, but I do like that you are saving thousands doing some of it yourself. The results, of course, looks 100% professionally done. Love it! We're getting rain here in Hickory NC right now and will last at least till 1 or 2:00. Made in the USA. I ordered an orange 30 oz tumbler yesterday. The one I use now is 'Team Hornady '. Enjoyed the video, good stuff!👍🚜❤
Having a relative with construction experience assisting must have been a huge help plus reassuring. Keeping your piping perimeter a bit from the walls was a great thought. Your material supplier should have also made that suggestion or as an option on the furnished layout drawing.
Not having poured concrete yet with wedding looming has got to have Melissa unsettled. Just remind her what you use to do everyday also was under a huge expensive committed schedule. This project versus massive construction contracts is a piece of cake! 😊
I agree with John about the sensors in the concrete. With such a large slab the water temp will be different in the zones close to the manifold and those further away which could lead to uneven floor temps throughout the building. The sensors could regulate flow to individual zones to even out floor temps. Even if you don't hook them up right away they will be there if you ever think you need them. I have a heated slab in my house , much smaller than yours, and my cat has found the warmer spots where he lays down in the colder months of the year. I think you will love the infloor heat in the garage area because the floors stay much drier during the winter. sorry for the long winded comment.
The entire series on this building from moving topsoil until now has been super interesting and I hope we see it progress until we see Mike puttering around doing maintenance in shirt sleeves this winter. And everyone else enjoying the game room side of things!
The concrete people gotta love following behind people who prep a site like you do. I applaud the amount of skull sweat you invested before the first tool came out of the box.