I hope the Reward is Worth The Process, Radiant Floor Heat Rough In
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Today we begin the install of the Crete Heat Floor Heat System in the New Building, This is the first time using this system and it's taking longer than expected but we are learning quickly and getting faster with each panel.
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Good Morning, Morgans! Mike, as far as the foam panels goes, we just did what you did, then used sand to adjust the last 1/4 inch. It works fine. And there's nothing wrong with attention to detail. You've worked hard to pay for this building. You should want to do it the right way! God Bless!
hi guys jimmy from Tn. I haven't done a heat floor but the best trick I have seen is to pressurize with air before pouring concrete. If the concrete guys punch a hole in the tubing it will make air bubbles in the concrete that you can see and you can fix it before the concrete sets. Enjoy the videos
Dang it wish I had thought of that ! Lol not because I have a heated shop but because I Will someday and So Far you win for best suggestion yet !
@@mikesr3407 ... if you higher a contractor to lay the pipe they will absolutely pressurize the pipe before the pour. In most cases it's required to pass a building inspection.
@@rupe53 that is COOL ! Makes perfect sense to me ! Thanks
Good point! And take some detailed pictures prior to pouring in case you ever decide you need anchors in the floor for something. Pretty easy to lay out a tape each way so you can know where things are. If your spacing is consistent with your grid, it should be simple.
Also when you pressure it will not collapse
All-nighters! A common practice for high achievers. I’ve pulled my fair share over the years, always with purpose and drive. As I look back over my decades of life, I realize that there are significant trade-offs. When it saps ones strength, takes time away from family, or sends the wrong signal to others on the team, it’s unbalanced behavior. How well I recall the day after an all-nighter before Thanksgiving in the late ‘80s when upon my return home in the morning, I found my Bible opened to Psalm 127. A timely, and life-long message gently shared to me by my wife. It’s worth a read!
What a great treat for my Wednesday! Starting work later today, and had a chance to sit out on the patio with a big cup of coffee and watch you guys work! Have a beautiful day! 👍🙏
We use sand to level and we use plastic staples into flat foam boards quick and much less costly!
Slow & steady...perfection!!
My ? Is...How and the heck do you find time to make these videos with everything going on. Not long now before daughter Hannah’s HUGE wedding. GOD Bless y’all... Thank you for keeping all your fans entertained.
Easy to recognize that awesome tat fur Sure ! Carry On ! 👍
Mike, yes you are being too particular, but it’s your own building. You will have piece of mind and no problems because of your attention to detail. I was crazy fussy and particular when I built our home some 35 years ago, and that has paid off in a structure that has stood the test of time! Keep up the good work.
Every bit of detail you iron out now to be perfect that multiplies over time. Sure, you are spending more time but it will pay off with no creeeeeks or dips, over time. Everything shifts ground over time. Water table, humidity, snow outside and such. Mother earth always wins, but you are doing it right. Plus, Mrs. Morgan looks like an amazing partner to work with.
@RAH Capital Read his comment again. He didn't say the structure lasted. He said it stood the test of time, and in the context of this video, he means he had no issues with the structure. The structure of a home can have issues resulting in cracks, etc., without completely failing. It's not all or nothing.
@@michaelbarrister429 That’s exactly what I meant, Michael. Thank you for your kindness!
Used the same system when I did my garage last year. Worked great. Saxonburg area so similar conditions. Connected to a mohoning outdoor boiler. Super nice this winter. Best advice I got from a pro was keep your pex 2-3 ft from exterior walls as that is where you may need to drill in to the concrete to mount things like air compressor, shelves, etc. He was right.
Jonathan ... last place we did this we left a "map" of all stuff buried in the concrete (pipes, conduit, etc) showing where the gaps were. The owner had plans for a vehicle lift, air compressor, etc and wanted to drill into the floor in the future. BTW, a lift usually needs more than 4" of concrete and usually more rebar for a certain distance in several directions.
Hey Mike, great way to heat a building. I'm in north-central Ohio, installed radiant floor heat in my 40x60 garage, used pea gravel base, 4'x8' x 2" thick blue insulation panels, taped the seams with 2" wide tape, stapled down tubing, heat with a Navien LP wall hug hot water heater. System is 9 years old, very dependable, economical. Blg is on a full foundation, 2"x6" walls. I spent a little more on the walls & insulation. Insulation is the key IMHO. Thanks to you guys for the great videos.
Hi Mike, never commented before. We built our house in Maine last year using radiant and those panels. Up here we use a layer of sand to level up under the concrete. When you lay the tubing in, the posts do a good job in the straights, but we found using a foam stapler really helped keep the tubing down around the turns, otherwise when the concrete guys walk on it the tubing can pop up. Best of luck to you guys, love watching your channel.
Welcome to the comments Jonathan ! They read em and it's great place to learn more fur Sure !
I do residential radiant heat and I also recommend using staples on the turns. www.viega.us/en/products/Tools/Accessories/Staple-2890-0US.html
Good morning everyone. 73º in Kansas City. Mowing the lawn this morning in an attempt to beat the heat, 94º for the high today. Stay safe, be humble & kind and have a day.
Hi Phil!
Howdy guys!
Good morning Phil!
Good morning Phil.Have great week.
@@DragonflyAcres2022 Thank you
Hey Mike, I have been in the heating and a/c business my whole life and have installed hundreds of radiant heat systems. It is definitely worth the added cost and you will love the level of comfort and energy savings you will achieve with the system.
After you lay down the tubing make sure you locate where the interior walls will go. Anchoring those walls with anchors, you may hit a tubing run. Good luck fixing that. That tubing becomes a hidden factor for future wall locations. It may take some time but I would make a drawing with dims. to show the location of the tubing before the concrete is poured. Good luck Mike!
Man that sounds like a great idea.
If in doubt use a thermal imaging camera to find the tubes under the floor .
Put that system in my house in southeast Texas. Using my floorplans I routed the tubes away from all walls and used doorways to go from room to room. Is not feasible down here where our cold snaps are just a few days long. It takes days to get the slab heated then your running the AC to keep the house cool, lol. Curious to see the boiler to heat the water.
@@lhr1701 no doubt great idea , Mike needs an excuse to get one anyway , great tool to spot deer or injured deer after dark ! So a guy can get his harvest before the coyote do !
Mike everything new is a learning experience, which is good. You figure something out and then it's easier for the next person, watching you do it for the first time.
When the Winter cold sets in and you have those heated concrete floors, You will realise how worth it all the work was.
You are going to love radiant floor heat in the winter!!! I have 1200 sq ft building in central Mn with radiant and it works great!
Good morning Hunter :-) and family and friends :-) Happy Birthday Kate ! :-)
Good morning BadCat - ditto on your remarks!
@@marcuswhite3628 / Good morning Marcus :-)
Mike, there is nothing wrong with being particular about your project. I tried to pull an all-nighter (I'm 57) yeah, it doesn't work like it used too
Since you are working for yourself and not charging a customer by the hour, you cannot be too particular. Five years from now you will never say, "I wish I would have just slapped it together."
Always the best building starts with a good foundation. You are doing a great job. Thanks for the videos.
Black sand for the final 2". Makes life so easy when putting in the final grade. Looks great. Be safe and see ya on the next one
I think it is good to do your best because you know what your going to say if you don’t. I shoulda coulda woulda 😂👍
We did it in our house and Garage! Only way to go guys! Unreal the way it heats and feels on the body!!! My neighbors told me I was crazy, but all you have to do, is ignore them 😂🤣😂😂😂🤣
We have that in our house and ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!!!! You won’t regret it
March on. Thanks for sharing. 🇺🇸
Good job Melissa you got Mike to laugh and smile all in one video
You are doing a great job Mike and Melissa. You are enjoying having the time to do it exactly the way you want to. Looks great!!.
We use sand under our concrete here whenever we pour on grade…might be easier to level. We screte off the sand like wet concrete…works great
Mike an all-nighter at our age is going all night not getting up to go to the restroom
AMEN !!!!
Had one of those last night! No wonder I got up at 515 this morning!
AMen and Amen!
@@stanfromalabama443 ... my bladder is my alarm clock. I use it twice a night!
Oh so true lol
I always figured it’s best to do it right. It’s looking good. You’ll be happy when it’s done. 👍👍👍❤️
You two get alng well. Happy for you>
I did radiant floor heat 25 years ago, didn't have all the different products and knowledge we have now and it's still been great. Yer gonna love it.
Every week you get more real. I feel like I’m listening to my next door neighbor. The getting real is getting to know you and the family. The better I know you n the family the more I understand the things you do n why! This all good by the way👍
10 PM is an all nighter to me anymore 🤓
Greetings M & M from S. E. Ohio.ove only been watching your channel for round 6-7 months and one thing that I noticed is when you,Mike do something you give it 100 percent. Love your channel have a wonderful rest of the day. Hello Hunter. And Happy Birthday Kate
Work ethic is born within all of us. Parent / Parents instill and develop it. So many families have parents with no ethic training. Major issue with our society today. Just thinking….
Sleep. Think I've heard of It once. Didn't get to watch yesterday so spending my lunch break watching. Mike get the floor close and you'll be good to go. Hope all are well and we'll see you down the road.....
I wish I could help, but you are the one giving me 'how to'. You struck me the very first video as a man that instinctively uses common sense when experience is lacking to finish as a professional. So many others just blunder through a project making tons of mistakes, never getting it right and leaving it that way. Not you. Hey I did like that helpful comment to use sand to level. Might be quicker? IDK, but I do know you will have it right when finished. Manoman, the insulation looks way better than I imagined, I am really enjoying this Mike. I do wish you had a couple guys helping you though, that is a huge area to do by yourself. I know Melissa was there, but her plate is already full, she can't stay. Again, as always this video was terrific, about 20 minutes of sweet! Thanks for sharing this awesome project, I literally can't wait till tomorrow. Oh, you really melted my heart telling us about Ty! Heck yeah he's an outdoor lover! He will ALWAYS love going over to your house and being w you, I'm sure of it! Mike Morgan is a real go-getter, tough as nails guy, but that little feller is going to be bringing out the big hearted softy in you more than you are expecting. That too I am anxiously waiting to see! See ya tomorrow! 👍🚜❤
Mike, I bought the same Harbor Freight compactor for redoing my driveway (~2000sqft). I had the same problem with gouging at the turns. I welded a piece of 1/4" steel to the sides at a 45° angle like at the front and back & gussets in the corners. It made a huge difference. No more gouging the stone of as you turn because the stone is forced back down into the surface. It also makes manoeuvring easier because the sides don't dig in anymore.
Mike and Melissa, it makes my heart smile when I see and hear you start talking about your grandson. You both get smiles ear to ear while talking about him. Also, Mike, you are doing a great job doing the preparation for your in-floor heating system. The only issue I have with the in-floor heating system that I have is that it is very expensive to operate so I only use it for a backup heating system. I have it in all of my house including the garage so when in use it is heating close to 3,600 square feet of the house and garage. I also installed a geothermal system with air ducts that I actually heat and cool my house most of the time instead of using the in-floor system. I really like the in-floor system because you are comfortable all the time during the winter while running it, but it is really expensive to operate. My system has a small electric heating element, not exactly a boiler but an electric heating unit that heats all the water quickly and I have four zones to heat. Not sure what you are going to use to heat your water, but electricity I would imagine will be the most expensive. I really enjoy your videos and watching what you do and watching your family grow! (Tell Hunter hi from Iowa) Thanks, J.R.
Melissa looks radiant
Haha, nice....life is good in Mike's world
We do concrete and when we do in floor heat we use chips or sand for final grade. Gotta get it flat so the foam sits right. The weight of the concrete will settle it down but everything goes better if the base is flat. Do it right the first time! Keep being picky.
Happy Birthday Kate! God Bless the Morgans! It’s ok Mike to be particular! When I build something I like it to be right! Have a day Morgans!👍🙏❤️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Radiant heat is hard to beat. It is the same type of heat that burning firewood gives. Same with the sun. When the concrete floor gets poured, Mike can fly the drone inside the building for great overhead shots.
you will not be disappointed. my garage is in ohio 40x60 I will never build anything without floor heat its evenly heated and no drafts or cold spots. love it!
Good morning Mike and Melissa, looks good, thanks for sharing with us. Happy Birthday Kate,you all have fun at the zoo. Thanks for explaining about the two sizes of stone and their compaction, got to have some driveway work done, got to hire it done. You all stay safe, Hello to Hunter and the rest of the crew. Fred.🙏🏻🙏🏻👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👋👋
58 years young still pulling all nighters. Shift work manufacturing always fun. Love your videos Mike.
Gotta say love your show and to see a couple like you and your wife it’s so awesome keep that love going you too
I really enjoy the channel folks. Keeps me smiling and gives me lots of great ideas for my own projects. Thank you and keep up the great work.
Mike, you do projects like I do. I'm particular about what I do also. When my son and I put a new roof on my house, it took us forever because we were so picky. But the extra effort is worth it. Even with your panels buried beneath the concrete, you would be tormented forever if you knew that you had done the job less than perfect! I tell everyone that "perfect is good enough." I guess that's why I enjoy your videos so much. Keep up the good work!
Mike , you are spot on with that foundation. When I had my building built . The contractor would spread material , compact it and then shoot it with the laser , he done this for a few days . My building is only 30x30 but the foundation is awesome and my concrete is spot on.
I love my radiant heat
Just a little Math for the folks that seem
To think the wet concrete will weigh down the foam if it’s not perfectly level. One yard of wet
Concrete weighs 4050 lbs. one yard of concrete covers 81 sq ft 4” thick. That comes to 50 lbs per Sq foot. Or .3472 lbs per sq inch. So that isn’t going to move that rigid foam much at all if Any.
So I am glad you took the time to do this right. I am doing my heated floor and am using 4” foam under
My slab and sand is my final grade substrate with a 6ml vapor barrier under The foam on top of the sand. No movement walking across the foam for
Me. Just a nice compact road base with sand topping grade.
I like your new video today you guys did a really good jop this is looking really nice you are doing really good jop on your video love your video
mike I tried to steer you away from the stone a couple weeks ago I have installed about 50 in floor heat systems and we use sand not only does it give you a flat surface it helps with heat loss
It's weird how some people dislike the videos, what's not to like
I have a cousin who has a building about the same size that they use as a machinery repair shop on their farm that is heated by radiant floor heat that is powered by an outdoor boiler. The day I was there it was about 20 below zero outside and about 75 inside. If I ever had to heat a building like that I’d definitely use an in-floor heating system. He also heats two houses with systems run by the outdoor boiler using wood he cuts from fence lines and downed trees from the woods on the property.
I have radiant in my 30x36 garage. I love it
Good people take care of good people with shared wisdom
Mike you are looking more and more relaxed as the weeks go by - love it.
You and Melissa will have that knocked out in no time.
Radiant Floor Heating in the 80’s was Luxurious and the Ultimate for Comfort!
Yay, a Melissa joke in the video! Haven't heard one of those in a while. Happy Birthday Kate!
Good day everyone. It has been hot here in Missouri. Right now, it is 92. We needed the break from the rain, so the farmers can get their crops in. It’s really interesting the radiant floor heat. I have been planning on building a house on my farm and looking at different options. I am looking into heat pumps, furnace, radiant floor heat and geothermal heating and cooling. With the price of lumber, I have had to put a pin in it.
Being from Texas I've never had or installed a floor heat system but your installation is looking great Mike. Your tolerances might be a little tight in my opinion but if you have the time, material, and tools to do it, why not.
Nice tips. Thanks. We may be doing something similar in the near future.
Good morning from SE Louisiana 16 Jun 21.
Sand to top dress. Drive 6” rebar pins every 10’ to set grade. Then just a little sprinkle and screed it. Perfect flat, very fast.
That's the way I've seen it done in all the "pro" videos on RUclips.👍
Looks good. We contracted the only floor heat system we have ever had on a job 2 years ago. They showed up with a crew of 15 people and were.done i1 1/2.days on 3700 square feet. I was completely lost on have they were doing it because they were moving so fast. 4 guys were maintaining level surface and rest were laying panels and pex. They worked 18 hours first day and worked 10 hrs second day and were done by noon. Home owner paid them on separate contract to have it done. Building was.for equipment storage.and some very nice antique cars along.with a nice 1000 square ft entertainment room over looking the Inter Coastal Waterway. Happy Bithday to Kate and Bi Hello to rest of family. See y'all on the next video.
Built my own timber frame house. Radiant heat on all floors.
Working mid-nights for 14 years and raising a family, I would do all nighters all the time. I was in my 30’s at that time and it wasn’t easy but sometimes had to be done, I thought! LOL! Now at 67, I look back at those days and realize how insane it was! LOL! Mike I can relate to you on so many levels! Love from Northwest Indiana! 🙏🏻💗👏👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Mike, thank again. I’m loving this installation but we are all missing the “Hunt Man!” 👏🤩👍
I’m not an expert, but I would say you might be way to particular. It doesn’t have to be flat or perfectly stable, as long as it’s not to high and it’s compacted well. My god, you compacted it well! I would think the concrete will compress the foam to the compacted gravel below. I’ve seen contractors throw 2” foam on the ground, cover it with Polly and pour it. If the ground wasn’t perfectly level the foam might crack a little, but that’s not going to hurt anything. Of course it’s best to do a really good job and you are certainly going above what a concrete contractor would do.
EXACTLY what I was going to comment!
My son-in-law installed this in his garage and loves it. He has a exterior stove piped to the house and garage.
I 100% Guarantee you Mike Morgan...this winter you will be Very happy with in-floor radiant heat.
Happy Birthday Kate
That image of Melissa ripping the green plastic with her dogs along with her was worth the price of admission.
I can't believe she doesn't already have an edc multi tool on her waist ! With all the projects they do ! Mike's next question to her all day will be hey honey can you bring me ur leatherman ! Lol
We used 2” X 4x8 foam boards then sheet reinforcing wire then tied wirsbo pex to wire with rebar ties
Concrete workers pulled wire and tubing up into concrete, my wife and I put tubing in basement and garage floor in one weekend and it was 100’ out and hotter in basement works great, went to 4 day school at wirsbo to learn how to size and install, working in HVAC FIELD
Looks like those green lego panels you'd build a house on
From the kitchen to the barn ..........:}
Great video Mike and Melissa 🇺🇲
The rewards will be well worth it. Best thing I ever did both garages and my house has floor heat y’all will love it
Beer nuts are about $1.50, deer nuts are just under a buck.
Bwahahaha
You don't want to stamp the inside concrete. If it's stamped sand, dirt, etc. will get into the stamped part and you won't be able to sweep it up. Just go with one of the epoxy like systems that are used in garages.
Be warned, you can't touch up those epoxy finish - it's the major reason why I don't like them. My employer put down an epoxy floor in the new facility that cost six figures, that wound up getting gouged in at least 2 spots before we even finished moving into the building. The CEO was not happy when he found out.
Happy birthday Kate
Mike doing same thing except with 2" ridged foam is a pain to level perfectly, also going to add a heat exchange unit in corner for faster temperature recovery when doors are opened they have a unit with a blower behind it Great job isn't retirement great ! Also when studding walls measure posts mine are 5 1/4 ×41/4 had to rip down all studs. and check corner orientation if installing purlins inside to nail finish boards to
Rex here, love Melissa’s reflection in the finish of the tractor, nice photographic touch! I have completed many projects without the “proper know how and I applaud this protect, you guys! Love it!
I had no eyedeer that foam board installation would be so labor intensive. Nice job.
I never used that stuff before but I used foamalar 4x8 2in worked great YOU WILL LOVE LOVE heated concrete it’s the best I think you want some heat lost So it won’t freeze and heave In the winter the floor should never crack it worked awesome for me
Having helped lay a few radiant floor heating system in different states I have seen them laid different ways, Some use just dirt, some pea gravel, some sand, and a bunch a mixture. It all depends on your Codes and what you have to work with. That 2A stone looks like it has some dirt in it, bring in a load of sand to top that 2B stone off. First time is always a real learning curve and each time you either relearn or lean something new. After you lay your foam board take a chalk line and mark where your walls are going, that way you will not lay your pipe under your walls(learned that one hard)
It would have been easier to build the heated concrete floor BEFORE building the walls and roof.
The best and top advice in this nice video is the one from Doctor Melissa. Love her!
I have never seen that style of floor panel before, that's cool.
We have that in our mud room and is just the best. Warm shoes in the cold winter to a nice warm floor.
I just Melissa's workout video. Seeing her workout on a warm floor this winter will make the work worthwhile. especially a floor she helped create. You are working to Morgan quality standards, better than Governement, better than NASA. (You did not see two Morgan shuttles crash did you? ) One of the reasons Mike stopped his old job was to have time to do things like this Morgan Right. I have lived with hacked jobs and incomplete projects. There is a vast difference between that and the Morgan Way. God bless, protect, and comfort you all.
I installed a hard wood floor two days before Christmas one year and worked 18 hours straight on it.... that was 20 years ago. No more all-nighters here either!
We use that radiant floor system we used stone dust mixed in with The Rock it helped out a lot with the little low you know Valley's in there and when you're putting the pecs down they had Staples they suggested for us to use and you can get this long pole and it's like a staple thing and you just won't be you don't have to bend down but everything else you're doing it right looks great keep up the good work
👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🗽🙏🏻 Enjoyed! Glad to see you understand taking it a little easier! And "TIME" flies as you get older, especially if you stay busy without doors stuff and everyday maintenance around the home place. Glad I live in Texas, but on another subject I would never have pipes in a concrete slab and that's the way they used to do it in Texas.....fixing a leak is a bear as well as finding it. Used to live in Iowa...great having a basement with no pipes in the floor. In Texas they now use pex in the walls and ceilings with no problems with freezing. The pex will expand enough to tolerate freezing or you just let a faucet drip. They use a manifold with no water connections in the walls or ceiling to leak. Make sure you have NO pex connectors in the slab and you should be OK.
Mike, I gotta hand it to you, you have an amazing work ethic! That is slow tedious work!
Your awesome
I love the cowgirl boots on you wife!!!!! LOL
I used 2A to grade for my pole building before I put my insulation down for my radiant floor heat it really makes it go easy, I used a plate compactor it packs nicely and you are not kicking stones when you walk on it
Radiant floor is definitely the way to go the heat is so nice and there is no cold spots in the building
Hi Mike an Melissa nice video have a day love from TEXAS
Enjoy life we only get one shot at it!!!
Mike, quite worrying about when it will be done, just do the job, and you are really doing a great job, oh and yeah I retired two years ago I sleep a bunch more these days lol, like you for 40 years I was up every morning and going, it changed when I retired.