White Supremacist Propaganda Vs Truth | Philosophy Tube
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- Опубликовано: 23 мар 2017
- We need to understand how white supremacist propaganda works and what it tells us about communication and truth. Let’s look at the myth of the Irish Slaves, and the myth of White Genocide…
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Came for the arguments, stayed for the Wilhelm scream.
I'm a leftist, where is my check?
hey my fave youtuber on another fave's video
Miguel from the road to El Dorado plus philosophy
I stayed for Beethoven's 7th
sadly couldn't watch your video in the UK :
Come on! Bacteria and yeast growths can actually be productively applied for the benefit of society.
Bacteria are crucial in aiding with digestion. White supremacists are like those worms that coat your intestines or vomiting for no reason. A straight up waste of calories!
To grow the bread there must be yeast
@@JC-jd1us grow the bread? and they're talking about yeast infections.
@@JC-jd1us You know there's bread that does not use yeast, right?
Antediluvian Atheist most does, and yeast will still develop in most bread. It’s a question about how much it ferments
"Take the phrase "I love you". If I say it sincerely,..."
:)
"so, assuming I am not lying..."
:(
Stop reminding me that I could be watching ContraPoints right now, I'm feeling conflicted..
I felt this 2 years later
What’s the opposite of a trigger warning? Because I get the opposite of triggered by watching Richard Spencer get punched
yikes
Wouldn't the opposite of "triggering" be "lulling" or "pacifying"? Or would it be "amusing"?
Scooters Videos Absolutely. Plenty of violent people were and are exceptionally intelligent. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.
Scooters Videos Not necessarily. You can take pleasure in watching the controlled application of violence to stop further violence without taking sadistic pleasure in the suffering of another human.
Scooters Videos Also, whether or not somebody is "sick" still has no bearing on their intelligence. Are you trying to say mentally ill people can't be intelligent?
Imagine genuinely believing that two people kissing constitutes an act of genocide
@@prins424 the population of Vietnam is 95.54, If you man millions I'm going to assume you mean 5 million~. that would increase the population to 100 million, non-Vietnamese people are only 5% of the population and will barely make a difference, also what is to say that interracial couples will not adopt the culture of the country they're living in? maybe not the religion but nothing is stopping the culture from still passing down. 5% of the population is not enough to somehow bring it to 50% so no culture is being threatened.
@@prins424 Those kid will speak Vietnamese. They will grow up in Vietnam. They will be raised in Vietnamese culture. They will be still be Vietnamese.
@@communalnao1999 I didn't know Vietnam had that many people haha. OK let's say it will be 40% of the population over the course of a century. The higher the percentage point the more it will drastically change the nature and character of whatever the country is.
@@kthemaster1999 This argument only works on western people. Any other nation wouldn't agree with this, and rightfully so in my opinion.
@@prins424 no
the usign "They" for Natalie Wynn shows how old this vid is. Great nontheless
Regardless, it's still a cis man casually using they/them pronouns and setting a great example for his peers. Gold star ally, that Ollie.
@@sycastells1212 Can't tell if sarcasm or not.
@@Alpostpone Not.
Sy Castells i almost though you were calling natalie a cis man, and I almost jumped on ya. Thank god for context.
@@jessbian3385 As opposed to what, a sine man?
If hitting Spencer is wrong I do not want to be right.
amen
It's wrong. Get over it.
Frankie Rufolo nah, I live in the same city as Spencer, and he’s constantly in the local news for instigating hate crimes and death threats to Jewish and other ethnic folks in my community. And I’m my opinion the local news is pretty conservatively leaning, and everyone here finds it heinous.
@@andyhao4357 that doesn't make it right to physically attack him.
Right
"I use the word 'culture' in both senses there"
Oooooh nice burn :D
Not all bacterias are unhealthy, you know? you need some of them in your body to maintain you alive and well. Even then, you always have antibiotics (rational debate).
#notallbacteria
Dude, antibiotics kill all manner of bacteria, "good," "bad," and indifferent. Refine your metaphor and try again.
Myst Oh, you cloak your desire for mass deportation and genocide in such cute, cuddly language, don't you?
No one buys your shit for a fucking second. Piece of filth.
Yes, all they want is a policy to keep black people apart from white people. Like... an apart-like policy... To apart the groups and aid one of them... Like, apart-n-aid... Like apart-aid...If only this kind of policy had a name... If only this had been implemented in a country once.... Oh, if I knew a little bit of History...............
Good joke playing Wagner in the background. Nice one
Have you made up with Wagner yet or are you still mad at him and his German Idealism?
Also it was a humorous dog whistle.
Yea and Beethoven 7 was perfect as well!
@@huntersullivan51 This is an underrated, clever and historically based joke. Well done sir.
I wonder how many caught on to your joke lol or his. I still love Wagner's music, I just don't think about his ideology while listening.
Really owned the nazis with this one chief
I like how the background music went from some written by a white supremacist to that white supremacist's favorite symphony, which was written by someone with a disability.
it's sad that it's controversial to hate on nazis on youtube
@Ted Bundy tbh looking in from the outside I would rather neither of the two exists. who ever tells you there is one solution (ideology) that will solve all the problems you have is talking out of it's ass
@Ted Bundy society should speak about what's worth speaking about and tbh the ideas of the nazis or so obviously stupid and flawed that no those ideas are not worth discussing cause the answer to the jewish question is obviously that they are normal people not worse not better. who ever wants to talk about the rights of others is overstepping their own. once freedom ends where that of it's neighbour starts. if a nazi wants to talk economics sure np if a nazi wants to talk economics cause he wants to have a go at a minority they can go eat shit. arguing about the jewish question is the same as arguing a blue car is red. argue however long you want reality will never be that the car is blue.
@Ted Bundy shut up, nobody cares for your conspiratory-ass books and theory you Nazi fucker.
@Ted Bundy lol
@Ted Bundy nah
Neolibs: "You can't just shoot Nazis, they're people too!"
Me: "So anyway, I started blasting."
good stuff comrade
@Alt Fit lol, okay LARPer.
Fascism is a loser ideology, so be a loser elsewhere and stop wasting oxygen.
In a video game right? This is all just satire right? For legal reasons.
@@apassmore9872 Because Fascists lost one war? Capitalism got defeated in Vietnam, is Capitalism a loser ideology? It seems to be stronger than ever.
@@terrencehazel1410Keep it up with the false equivalence. You're doing great.
It's really funny that, of the negative comments, half of them are people claiming white supremacists don't exist and the other half are white supremacists celebrating that they exist
Does it exist or not😟
I am white. I'm proud of that. If that makes me a white supremacist then I'm a white supremacist.
Hhhhhhhh
@@kingrollypollyvii5565 I mean this genuinely, what is it about being white that makes you proud? Not to imply there are none, I simply want to know your personal reasons why
@@TL-do7uq Because it's a part of my identity that makes me, me. Since it's out of my control I'd rather be proud of it than be ashamed or even neutral to it. Of course my ethnicity is only one part of my identity, but it's a very important one, as it is for most other people, nonwhites included.
Also, whites are responsible for most innovations.
I'm not replaying the part where Ollie says "I love you" to the camera over and over, YOU'RE replaying the part where Ollie says "I love you" to the camera over and over.
Olly is now your stalker. Congrats
seeing richard spencer getting punched always cheers me up :)
I don't care about the politics, I just find it funny seeing his face get punched
Dude, for most it made you into an even bigger meme. It literally made you into jokes, like you are.
Lob same
HUNDmiau it scared Spencer and friends away though so laugh it up, people who defend Nazis are gettin punched too
@@ajasen
It's not the same. Please stop with that BS of the extremes being equivalent.
If white supremacists keep gaining traction, they'll be doing a lot more than punching.
If anti-fascism gains traction, what? Spencer will have to hide his ass. That's hardly something to cry about.
"Sometimes it's used to argue that interracial relationships shouldn't be allowed, which is obviously a massive restriction of people of color's freedoms"
It's also a restriction of the freedom of people who are not "of color". A relationship is a mutual thing, so if interracial marriages aren't allowed, it is necessarily a restriction of both people's freedoms. So, it's kind of weird to say phrase it the way you did.
Paul Kennedy But the fundamental question is what do these laws do? In the sense of what much of this video argues in terms of speech acts. Sure the white person cannot marry a PoC, but within a broader legal context of oppression of non-whites the laws serve to reinforce the idea that non-whites are not deserving of marriage to whites. Moreover, given that the arguments for anti-miscegenation laws were often explicitly about racial purity, the purpose of the laws are quite clear.
Paul Kennedy 👨🏻🏫 Quite right! I would like to know how to describe myself, if I am not a 'person of colour ' 😣 I am certainly not white i.e. albino, but a somewhat washed out pink, cream and beige in various degrees! I am also a member of the only human species on this planet, Homo sapiens sapiens. Thus, there cannot be racism, another invented term, as it would denote extreme self-hatred. 👨🏻🏫🏛🇬🇧
Avram Reisman: Yes, I agree that that has been the basis for the laws. However, the laws would only be "necessary" if there are whites who don't agree and want to marry a non-white person. In that case, the law violates the rights of the white person and the non-white person, and that is necessarily the case. So, to answer our question "what do these laws do?" They violate the rights of both individuals.
A law banning interracial relationships does infringe on the rights of everyone, but the consequences of such a law isn't shared equally. America used to have laws against interracial relationships, so we already know how such a law would be enforced. And history shows us that it was worse for PoC than it was for white folks. If a black man and a white women were caught together, the black man would be killed and the white women would be ostracized. Both people suffered, but one clearly was punished more than the other.
Was the black man killed by the law, though?
That "culture" joke was a real zinger, 10/10 intro
Also appreciated that
I'm a simple man, I see Richard Spencer punched, I upvote.
@@mrjones5636 I mean not getting punched in the face is really simple, don't fight for an ethnostate and ethnic cleansing and you are golden. See how simple that is?
@@DreamingGod05 So with your logic: "Just don't advocate for the colectivisation of land, and the nationalisation of the industries, it's that simple"
Or: "Just don't advocate for and your golden.
see how that can be missused and also be applied to the other side?
@@mrjones5636 No, not really. One of them is genocide, the other is how to structure an economic system. Is murder and, I don't know, j-walking the same thing?
@@DreamingGod05 fascism: killed millions of people
communism: killed millions of people
So it would justify punching a communist too, no?
@@mrjones5636 You seem to be unable to differentiate between the intended outcome of a situation, and the results of mismanagement. Your whataboutism's don't convince anyone, and it just makes your point look weak and baseless. You already advocated for an ethnostate, implicitly, so I rest my case.
As a white person in a wonderful interracial relationship, the idea that interracial relationships are somehow bad or wrong scares the living hell out of me.
That's cool and very sweet! White supremacy is also bad apart from how it might affect us as white people though, obvs.
Have fun seeing your non-white grandkids show up the fam :^)
J Civilis
Who cares in the least about if their grandkids are white or not. Mixed babies are cute tbh
ODIN
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was entirely propaganda, did you pay any attention in history class?
Oh god no
Mr. Johnson was a jew too
Another interesting thing is that the post-war welfare state was built in part due to the sacking of Malaysia.
Although Olly a common argument made by the right is the argument "The Arab Slave trade was far bigger" What would be a refutation to that?
Well this is our problem and thus it affects us, just as the Arabs might also want to see the Arab slave trade as their problem because it affects them.
Larpy People White people aren't either. Sure, we are taught that slavery is bad and anyone who supports it is shit, but I can testify, having lived in a the former Confederate capital state my entire life, that no one has EVER told me that I should feel guilty for my ancestors actions. However, there is alternatively no reason you should be PROUD of your ancestors good actions if it is not ok to feel guilty for their detestable actions.
I personally don't think the scope of other slave trades is a morally relevant criteria in discussing the morality of the British and American slave trades. Just as the destruction of Dresden was not justified by the destruction of Coventry, the British slave trade is not absolved by the fact there were other countries built on slavery.
the argument against that is that is simple. just because there is a worse slave trade doesn't mean the atlantic one wasn't bad. they are using african sufferring as a red herring to distract from other african suffering.
white supremacists probably think the arab slave trade is a gotcha because they think sjws believe that poc can do no wrong, which isn't really true except for with maoist third worldists i guess. although, unrhue is kinda racist so it just goes to show how complicated it all is.
Wolf Stone You could say the Arab nations owe reparations to slaves.
That is...just not true. They were not all impoverished before the discovery of oil by any means. It created an explosion of wealth for a few countries far beyond what they had before, but the Ottoman Empire for instance was a mighty force with lots of wealth going around long before the discovery of oil. As were the other caliphates that proceeded it. I mean could I not ask why the European world was mostly impoverished before colonialism? No, you would never consider that, because it's not racist enough.
No, no it doesn't. That's their issue, and they should deal with that. This is *our* issue.
It's 2021, I'm sitting in my car finishing work for my second job that I took up because of the pandemic, white supremacists stormed Congress 12 days ago, and the phrase 'using the word culture in both senses' had me laughing so hard I almost threw up. I'm starting to wonder if I'm in a coma.
>Believes there's a "pandemic"
>Thinks "white supremacists stormed the capitol" instead of people protesting an illegitimate election and doesn't even know that it was FBI instigators allowed in to paint political opponents as terrorists
>Wagecuck
You are really a pathetic excuse for a man lmao
@@bunjier4041 So I got to thinking about it and at first I was considering that maybe using the word cuck as an insult is rude because you shouldn't make fun of somebody on account of their fetish even if you don't get it, but then I also kind of thought that maybe a cuckold would be into the part where it's an insult? Kind of an interesting thing to think about, it's probably more of a personal thing and as a rule it's not ideal to use something like that pejoratively, but it is an oddball circumstance of language and culture.
Anyway I did Google up 'wagecuck' And there's a pretty raucous collection of very earnest cartoons depicting folks Fight Clubbing real hard which is hilarious for a wide variety of ironic reasons that I won't really get into here, and also directed me to an amazing Reddit post about a kid who called in to a radio station impersonating a school district superintendent to get exams rescheduled on account of a light dusting of snow which was very funny and I enjoyed quite a bit.
@@veteratorvulpes1116 I'm glad you found this much fascination in my reply.
You Americans are silly. If you think anyone stormed anything and it wasn’t planned or a stunt by your degenerate government then my God, you really are lost.
Triggered “Classical Liberals” & “Race Realists” incoming in 5, 4, 3.........
The modern "classical liberal", i.e. an ironic 4chan Nazi or Jordan Peterson fanboys
Honestly, what is there to trigger me? A perfectly logical video.. (Classical liberal, not race realist for God's sake)
Race realism is absolutely real. How can you even look at the genetically expressed traits, societal and cultural differences (many of which are vastly different) and act like race doesn’t exist?
@@mickkeker1990 There are no genetic races. There is a much genetic difference between two random Sub-Saharan Africans as there is between them and you (in fact, Africa is the most genetically diverse region in the world). Racial categories are cultural inventions that change from culture to culture and throughout history, and they always serve a political purpose more than a scientific one.
@The Big Bad White Man Nothing you said in that comment is true, so I'm not really sure how to respond.
I mean, no, there *is* greater genetic variation in Africa than anywhere else in the world. Not because of Africa's varied climates, but because human beings first evolved in Africa, and our species lived there for most of our history. So Africa contains the majority of our evolutionary development.
And, yes, there is as much variation between two given Africans as between a European and an African. Or any other people on Earth. Racial categories are based on recently evolved, superficial traits. They are politically expedient (it's easy to tell that a group of people come from far away and have different customs when they look different), but they don't have a deep genetic basis.
And even if you just want to categorize humans based solely on appearance, human phenotypic variations are so gradual and diverse across the globe that an objective taxonomy based on appearance is essentially useless.
Races exist as political categories that vary from culture to culture. A culture's racial definitions can be politically expedient *for that specific culture*, but they don't really have a wider, objective meaning. There will never be a single set of "races" that all humans can agree on.
Pretty depressing stuff, yet interesting nonetheless, thank you. Also, you have basically perfect skin I'm kind of jealous...
That is so sweet of you to say! I had awful acne for years and still have to manage it/am a bit insecure about it. I really don't have perfect skin, I've just gotten better at lighting myself.
Well you can't tell about your past with acne at all! And as for lighting, I'm sure you're just being modest.
while I'm sad such a video needs to be made, I'm so glad such a widely viewed channel is willing to tackle the issue head on
Diadorax lmaooo. couldn't you at leasr be original? go fuck yourself ya nazi shitstain
Phatlaluke, sick profile pic comrade!
Bash the fash!
Gwynplaine the Cold and Hungry thnx! had a friend of mine make it for me.
I would, but then you would just go hide behind the police lol
Stuck between mutualism and communism?
This video articulates something I've been wrestling with intellectually for a long time, so thank you for that, Olly. I have been thinking lately about whether speech can be violent in and of itself, even if the content of the speech is not a direct threat of violence.
My worry is that White Supremacists are incredibly good at strategically framing their ideas. If you do not protest them, they are supported by the universities and talk shows who will provide them a platform. If you do protest them, then you and your protest group are mocked in the media and labelled opponents of free speech. If you do not argue against them, they get to spread their misinformation. If you do argue against them, you implicitly grant them legitimacy by demonstrating that their ideology is "just another political issue."
I think that we need to start thinking more strategically about how we discuss, engage with, and frame White Supremacy. I do not know what the best strategy is.
I think this is going to forever be a problem in a political and media climate that supports these ideas. Everything has a downside; I think it's up to us to decide which we use for the particular situation.
They don't get support from universities at all. You don't need special tactics and violence against some tiny fringe group, that's already universally hated.
I was going to comment something similar to this. I wonder how/if we can approach fascist communities with the purpose of changing their false thoughts without inadvertently legitimizing their ideas as something worth debating, a simple difference in opinion or interest.
Extremely well put. Yes to all that.
Heads up, bold person venturing into the comments:
They are a dumpster fire
Abandon all hope, ye who enter here
Thanks for including me again, Olly. The use of the term slavery in prostitution-law arguments has a similar effect, by providing an opening for fundamentalists (religious, feminist) to switch the conversation away from real life, labour rights and pragmatic solutions.
watching spencer get absolutely clocked will always be funny and deeply gratifying.
I know this comment section will probably go to hell real quick but just want to say you have a really cute beard Olly 💙
Thanks!
Tristan Murphy very Robin hood, he steals from the intellectually rich and gives to the intellectually poor 😂
babbisp1 1) We don't care what you don't care about. It's not all about you. 2) That's not genocide. And it isn't a thing either.
I-Theist Nope, no its not. It's not the intentional destruction of an entire group of people. Therefore it's not genocide. Genocide is more like what the Nazis did. I'm sure you've heard of them.
I-Theist Hmm, no, I don't think it is.
Good argument though. You're a great philosopher.
Wonderful advice about not only thinking about the content of a message, but also what it does or can do. Sometimes when a bad message is true or at least not disprovable , we start to lack convincing aguments against it. As you briefly mentioned, I see this advice apply also to personal life. It seems to me a powerful tool, and I will try to remind myself of it regularly! Thank you!
Hello 911 yes I’d like to report a growing wild fire in the comments
I have a prediction that this will be your most controversial video. Even though it really shouldn't be.
If it were released 5 years ago it would have a 10/1 Like to Dislike bar at the least.
It will probably be because about half of the internet has been frequently called a white spremacist or a nazi lately. Online interaction is becoming dangerously polarized (and polarizing)
Daniel Blackmore When you say "it's not uncommon" do you mean on the Internet (because unfortunately we have to consider the army of sockpuppets and Russian mercenary-trolls) or in general real-life interactions (in which case, yikes)?
+Stephen Peterson
Remember, this was written by a US Congressman: twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/840980755236999169
Paxsali I really hope you are just trolling. But if you don't, I don't know where to begin. I'm not going to argue with some foolish internet stranger about this stuff. If I want a discussion on level, I go to the Uni.
I ship contrapoints and philosophy tube
don't ship real people?
a man and a man. Hey only if he swings that way
@@oliviaborghi1349
No mom you just dont get it.
That's gay.
Natollie
Thanks for another great video, Olly. I'm taking a break before I start applying to Ph.D programs and your videos keep me in a good philosophical mindset. Keep up the good work!
Ah, Beethoven's Seventh. Beautiful. Also, I could watch Spencer get punched in the gob for hours.
Jews can't meme
Roger Smith we actually do, very well. Have you heard any Jewish jokes? I’d be happy to tell you some if you like
@@luckyjak117
Yeah, nothing funny or Memetic about Mel Brooks movies at all.
Oops.
My town in South-Africa pushed the white genocide myth so hard just dare saying its statistically and factually unacurate and the whole town decends upon you with terms like "race traitor", "not worth a white skin", K-Naier (equivalent of N-fucker)...
These myths are used for excuses for racism daily. People of color (specifically this town of Jeffreys Bay South Africa) are heavily subject to racism...and so is any other white who speaks out.
Atleast we have a growing socialist movement in out town.
Great to watch content
hey thereeeee. what town you from? it's wild seeing peeps from here for me
I had never encountered these groups personally since today. I was very shocked to meet actual nazis.
I have a socialist movement growing in my town too. A National Socialist movement 😏
I love your choices in music.
The second movement of Beethoven's 7th always gives me goosebumps.
Using Wagner when talking about Nazi Germany is also very fitting, although I really like Wagner's Ring.
I have a question about the thumbnail. I have seen paintings like that and maybe even that exact painting, and I know it has some relationship with fascism but I don't know what it is. Can someone link me to more information about it?
I'm commenting because I had the same question.
it's the guernica by picasso, a painting depicting the bombing of the spanish town of guernica that was ordered by the nationalistic forces in the spanish civil war and actually done by the fascist forces of hitler's germany and mussolini's italy
Hello, brave soul that decided to sort comments by "newest first"
Problem? People are rejecting his calls for violence and youre mad?
Ayy, me too. Lots of liberals and """liberals""" decrying violence against ideologies that inexorably lead to genocide
@@Rycluse no, propagating you mean. Liberals are propagating ideologies that lead to gen0cide.
@laz kar you hold more similarities to a fascist than i.
@@Gigacyy yes actually
About the Irish stuff, I just found out it exists, the thing I don't understand is that, even if it were correct, why does it matter? What argument are you gonna make? "Well, they were also enslaved, SEE SLAVERY WAS NOT RACIST IT ALSO INCLUDED PEOPLE THAT WE NOW CONSIDER WHITE"? "Yeah, black people were opressed, bue how about we talk about the Irish?"
It's like when people say: it wasn't 6M deaths in the Holocaust, it was about a half/third/thenth...the number is not the important part, it's that it was systematic ethic cleansing. Even if it's 2 orders of magnitude off it shouldn't change how you see it.
The "white slavery myth" isn't even a white nationalist talking point. Though muslims did take many white slaves from Europe. The irish had it as bad if not worse than the American slaves, reducing the argument down to the fact that the Africans were legally slaves is rediculous.
@@GordonGarvey I am aware that many white people throughout history and even today are slaves. I didn't mean it was irrelevant in general or false. I meant to say that bringing it up to diminish black slavery in the context of pre civil war USA does not make slavery more acceptable. The same way saying "there were less than 6M killed in the Holocaust" does not make me go "oh then the Nazis weren't that bad, 6M is something, but if you only killed 600 000 people, then you ain't as bad"
If the number didn't matter they wouldn't have exaggerated it. There's been many more genocides throughout history that most people haven't heard of because of the spotlight put on the jewish one. Would you call the systematic replacement of Europeans with non-Europeans a genocide? If the number doesn't matter then you shouldn't have any problem recognising that the goal and results will be the same. It's too insidious for people to recognise but in time it will have successfully destroyed our national identities. If you have no problem with that I see no reason for you calling the jewish genocide that, might as well just be another mass murder.
@@GordonGarvey no, the "white genocide" it's not a genocide, and the methods do matter, if fact it's what matters the most TO ME. The holocaust is not the same as your "white genocide" primarily because one of them had concentration camps and systematic killings, while the other happens because people are not prejuditials and have children (which is the opposite of murder). The number is important, I agree, but sometimes an atrocity is so hideous that even if it happened to 1% of the people I (this is a personal opinion) wouldn't be less outraged by it. This is a personal opinion, of course. If I killed your whole family, and then told you "actually, I just killed your parents and siblings" would your level of anger drop significantly? Or would it stay the same? My would stay roughly the same, but, once again, this is subjective.
Well one thing he neglects to mention is that a lot of the Irish indentured servants were pows and political prisoners sent by the British. Also the reason so many irish were ending up indentured servitude even by their own choice was largely because the British stole their land and had lost everything.
hey ollie, thanks again for the video. i checked out contrapoints' video, which made a lot of good points too.
though it didn't personally bother me, i think some people would've needed a warning for the innuendo and possibly the partial nudity? i have a few of my friends who probably wouldn't have been able to stick around if they weren't expecting it yk? or people who live in households with controlling parents (or similar) and weren't using headphones - i know i've been in that spot a few times before i moved out. (apologies if someone has already brought this up.)
Ooh, fair cop! I will bear that in mind in future, thanks!
Wow Olly, this was an excellent video! I really enjoyed watching it, and I found the point you were making will be very useful interacting with the world from now on. Also LOVED the random shade lolol
Hello,
I'd like to know about your opinion on something a bit different but related to this. You said that context and tone communicates different meanings to words and sentences even if there underlying meaning is harmless. On that note, why do we censor words as something supposedly harmful to use? And if tone and context is of such importance, then I can use the both context and tone to use an 'accepted' word as some form of insult. Do we shut down all words then?
For example, I read that the word tranny is offensive, but even, by using context and tone, I can use the accepted word 'transgender' to communicate insult or offense. On the contrary, I can also use context and tone to use the word 'tranny' in a completely harmless way to communicate what it actually means, 'transgender'.
So, what's the use of erasing words if context and tone matters, context and tone being personal and easily changeable, and capable of putting different meaning in accepted/un-accepted words?
The dude that punched Spencer in the face is Steve Rogers.
@@CyberThug1080i Tungston? Iron? Copper?
@@prophetsnake no love for alloys?
Can someone fill me in on why the thumbnail is Guernica?
It's an anti-fascist painting
Every time I see the "I love you" thing brought up I think of the scene from Barry in acting class where he and Sally have to communicate a full scene just with the sentence "I love you" with different emotional emphasis
i might have emotional problems because of the amount of times i listened to olly saying “i love you”
June 2020. Good time to watch this again.
AH! i finally understood what you meant when you said you used culture in both senses there! ^^; bit slow on the uptake...
Link's in the doobly-doo!!!! 😂😂😂
5:40 In all seriousness, love your show!!! 😄
The addition of the Wilhelm Scream is perfect.
I really enjoyed how you broke this down, and agree with almost everything said. However, the more common myth in America about the Irish immigrants tends to be that "they were worth less than a slave" socially speaking.
This idea comes predominantly from the first railroads and canals in America, where they preferred to hire the Irish sometimes paying in whiskey alone, for blasting away stone with black powder (pre TNT). It was true that some of the Jobs were so deadly that slaves were not enlisted due to their (sick to say) "monetary value as a renewable resource/labor". Where as they could spend another dollar on an Irish teenager to go set powder charges for 2 bottles of booze (one for them to drink and one to barter or sell).
So while that has nothing close to do with being enslaved- it does also show how the "Titans of Industry", felt about human life vs capital.
Very well said! Thank you for the philosophical insight on this topical issue, Olly!
The soundtrack for this one was awesome.
Contrapoints' video got removed, is it up on any other platforms?
"Warning: This video features a man being punched in the face." Me: "Please let it be Richard Spencer..."
honestly it´s kind of annoying how good looking olly is... i´ve been binge watching his videos for a while now and in every single one of them i get lost in his eyes and have to start over. who gave you that right, sir?
I Just started watching your videos and I gotta say--I did notice you got a little bottle of Parker Quink there on the shelf but turned around. You use fountain pens?
2:45 “I didn’t say I stole the money” radically changes its meaning depending on which word you emphasize.
That's pretty interesting
Oml I can’t believe you looove me!
Okay okay. ILOVEYOUTOO!
Me: violance is not the awnser and if it is, it is a last resort everything can changed with reasoned debate
Also me: if I brake a nazis's fingers he's gonna have less fingers to do nazi shit with
Just noticed the William Shakespeare the complete works in the background, nice foreshadowing
What is the song playing from 7:34 onwards? im going mad searching for it -.-
SO GOOD. Thank you for this video. It's refreshing to hear someone make sense and care about people on the internet.
If having a relationship with someone outside my "race" is genocide, send me to Nuremberg because I am not stopping anytime soon.
If having kids with someone outside my race is genocide call me heinrich himmler
germany will be majority asian in 10 years so u will have fun there
Why is that song around the 9-minute mark so familiar? Does anyone know what it is?
Inb4 Darude Sandstorm.
Well made! Contest is always important.
This got more & more relevant as time went on
A shout out to ContraPoints? Yey... \o/
I'm curious what your thoughts are on the conservative philosopher Roger Scruton. Do you think his work, although centre-right gives way to some degree of ethnocentrism?
And what are your thoughts in general about traditionalist conservative philosophy?
it's like you manifest my life, your thumbnail is my world art history book cover and then I came across your video
Get ready for some hate and negative feedback..... There are more WS's and their sympathizers on the internet than I had previously thought.. Great video
faisal ahmed Anyone that disagrees with violence as a means to an end in democratic society is a white supremacist? Wow, what a tiny narrow view you have
"Violent thoughts that wish death to entire races can only be debated with more violence"
that is a highly anti-progressive thought. If I see you speaking against George Soros again in this comment section Im going to report you.
seems like some of my recent comments had been removed
Back to turkey Ahmed
@Proud Kamerade Then why are your ilk so thin-skinned when you lot get called for what you are? You're racists, sexists, anti-Semitic, fascists and neo-Nazis.
Look how the 'master race' cannot handle words, so you commit murder to silence your opponents when they're told to your faces.
God that video of Richard Spencer getting punched just never gets old. I'm generally against punching anyone (generally pacifistic) but damn if that isn't satisfying still.
Also, the War on Christmas is false? But I was planning on doing my part to invade the North Pole and take out at least one of the reindeer!
Well it's nice that you let your bigotry override your principles
@@Illumirage Yes, I am generally bigoted against Nazis. It's funny how I can be so completely opposed to people who want me dead. So irrational.
@@bentoth9555 There aren't really nazis anymore though. I wonder if you go after black supremacists the same way you hate "nazis" that don't exist. I wonder if your principles extend to other supremacists too. My guess is no.
@Damien INSANE-O Neo-nazis exist tho
What’s that picture on the thumbnail
Should I find it fucked up that I got a Trump poll about socialism before this video?
Great vid but also I’m so glad nobody calls it ‘the doobly-doo’ any more
Absolutely excellent work. Man am I glad I found your channel.
Can I get a link to that version of minute in g at the end?
Thanks for the great videos, Olly!
I'm still a little fuzzy on a couple points from this video.
1. What does a particular act of speech do? I understood your example about the stalker sending messages, but in your university guest speaker example I couldn't quite pick up on what act the speaker's speech would be performing. That situation is one that seems to be referenced frequently, so I want to understand it better. Could you clarify a little?
2. If the way to engage with White supremacist propaganda is not dialogue, but violence, isn't that inflicting violence to stop violence? Perhaps violence towards White supremacists (a punch in the face) is categorically different from the violence White supremacist ideology leads to (genocide) because of its scope and motivation? But something about the means and ends seems muddled in my mind.
Thanks again for your time and energy on this channel! :)
Hard fact: Appeasement and reasoning with fascists always backfire.
I wholly appreciate this video. It feels like it was genuinely necessary to my life.
Thank you so much for making it, and for the thought/humor that went into this video.
Can someone tell me what the name of the song that plays at 7:37?
What's the name of the song in the background?
I live in Seattle and the Proud Boys, 3%ers and Oathkeeps were recently in town hosting a "Free Speech" rally and I was part of the counter-protest. A couple Oathkeepers were acting as "security" and when confronted about what they were doing there they responded "we are here defending free speech." The person standing next to me asked "if we needed you to defend a black lives matter protest would you do that." They immediately responded "no" and it became painfully clear to me that they had no interest in "free speech."
Nice chunky facts to nab for my ethics exam, merci
The Wilhelm scream got me XD
How many comments do you think YT deleted?
you were right, these comments are a disaster
Hey Olly I know that there is a lot of fighting in the comments and it's getting really heated in some of the debates. But don't let this discourage you from making "controversial" videos. People are arguing because you are talking about something that matters (not saying that normally you don't say things that matter, I love all of your videos). Whenever something important is said it will be met with resistance and fighting, but that only means that it needed to be said, even if it sucks to have to be the person to say it because it opens you up to be attacked, and creates fights around you.
Tre Edgerton so you think its a bad thing for him to get punched because of his beliefs?
What's the song playing around 9:00?
Hey there is an art piece in the thumbnail of the video. If someone could tell me the name of the piece and how it relates to neo Nazis propaganda that would be very much appreciated.
I have seen that piece or something like it at a friend's place and I'm wondering if I need to reconsider my friendship.
Picasso's Guernica. It generally seen as an anti-war (and anti-Francoist) piece, so while it is inherently political it's not like... fascist propaganda
@@finny0 thank you
The issue with punching nazis and why there is backlash from those that aren’t nazis or even are left wing is that it adds fuel to the “left is out to get us” bit and encourages them to go out in crowds. This turns each occurrence of a pinch into a larger and larger brawl without much of a way to stop until one side backs down, and the nazis aren’t gonna be that side.
It’s not much of a matter of if it’s right or not, it’s a matter of what the consequences will be and I didn’t see these consequences make an appearance in this video.
I am Irish and I never heard that myth
Exists. First heard it from my very conservative father-in-law, who by the way wasn't a racist.
what was the name of the song in the credits? I recognize it, but I remember the name and it's driving me crazy!
The one at the very end? That's Minuet in G by Bach
I'm not sure if you can fix this after uploading, but I noticed a typo.
Sartre is spelled "Satre"
Good video!
Very good points about what speech DOES in addition to what is SAYS. Thanks for that. I've been doing a good deal of reading and work on semiotics and philosophy of language in the past several months, and might suggest people check out the following:
*J.L. Austin, "How to Do Things with Words"* is a seminal and very readable foundational essay precisely about how speech DOES things besides contain content.
*Roland Barthes, "Myth Today"* is a hugely relevant essay analyzing semiotic myth, how ideological forces co-opt signs and impoverish them of their original meanings in an appropriation that renders them oblique and "innocent" (my paradigmatic example is #AllLivesMatter, which appropriates #BlackLivesMatter for ideological ends, but can escape criticism by appearing innocent...).
*Nell Irvin Painter, "The History of White People"* is an intellectual history of the concept of "whiteness" in Europe and especially the United States. A *super* interesting and eminently readable tour de force demonstrating the fragility of racial ideologies by looking at how even who has counted as "white" has fluctuated and inflated over time and space.
I've done several video essays exploring the semiotic concepts mentioned above in the context of recent political and cultural phenomena. If people are curious to learn more about how language functions in these sorts of hard-to-nail-down ways, Austin's and Barthes' work should be helpful!
8:45 - "no onterracial marrages allowed" would not only be a restriction of freedom towards POCs, it would as well be a restriction to Whites.
I'm not gunna lie- I love your channel and how confrontational they are in terms of where I used to sit. Lots to learn from you mate, love your work, keep it up and hope to fuck that article 13 doesn't shut you down, not that you use many memes either. Peace
Michael
You said brutalized while Beethoven played, I'm curious, have you seen Zardoz?