$275,000+/yr Without A Degree?! - Air Traffic Control (UPDATED: Apply 2022!)
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Air traffic controller is a job many people know about, but few understand. What do they do? How do I get hired? Is it stressful? What are the qualifications? The FAA will be hiring air traffic controllers again! Apply at www.usajobs.gov once the bid goes live, with open bids occurring later this year. Best of luck! In this video, I break down some basics about the job, how to apply, and how it works. Over the years, I have gotten literally thousands of questions pertaining to the position of ATC and others like it in the aviation industry, and in this short video, I hope to summarize some of the very basics involved with understanding how the whole thing works. In the coming weeks, I hope to build off this series, looking into more details involving the job. Best of luck! Please subscribe, and as always, if you have any questions, please feel free to reach out!
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3 years after seeing this video, Im officially an Air Traffic Controller
Hah! That's awesome. Congrats man
do you mind shedding some information on the route you took? did you apply straight to the academy or did you have military experience? any information would be very insightful. And congratulations!
Congratulations any suggestions? I’m looking to get my at-cti
@@brycemorgan6708 My best advice is to just start. Its a hard thing, but you take it one step at a time
im sorry for your loss, brother and or sister
"Dealing with immediate decisions in the immediate moment that require you the controller to apply your skills and solve the problem"....that should be the job description for ATC, very well said and I'm always thankful for how helpful and sharp controllers are.
Thank you! Yes, ATCers are extremely skilled people.
You guys should open up for foreign based ATCO‘s!! SoCal Approach here I come... Cool video though! Saying hi from Berlin ‚TRACON‘ in Germany!!
In the army for ATC graduated in May of this year. I am working on my first Tower rating. I don't think i'm doing too bad for a 19 year old.
Awesome!!
Hey man I'm thinking of going that route too. What was the required ASVAB score for 15Q? And contract length?
@@aj3751 Get as high of a score as you can. Get a aptitude score of at least 102 on the asvab which was like the deciding factor for me getting that MOS. The contract is mandatory 6 years. Know what you want tho, when I went to go pick out the job, they told me they didn't have any slots open and I told them I wasn't picking anything else, 30 minutes later I got the job.
@@aj3751 The school is 19 weeks at Fort Rucker AL. I'm also stationed here in 1-11th which is probably the best unit for ATC. My job is basically a 9-5 because I didn't get tactical. My friend however got sent to germany is coming back doing air assault school and them going to Afghan.
@@ivanmiguel1300 I'm 17, I know we have Fort Rucker in Alabama, but I really don't know if it's North or South of Birmingham (where I'm from) probably up toward Huntsville I'm guessing. 'Bama boys!
Thank you for making this, I'm a pianist considering a career change and this is the best overview in this specific niche profession I've seen
PLEASE:! GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!!
This video is awesome. I have watched it many times. You do a great job really explaining this in such a way that makes it easy to understand. Can you please do another one explaining the process of training?
Thanks for this video. A friend told me about the bid opening and this video definitely helped me understand a little about the process and job.
Thanks man, glad it helped
I’ve passed all my tests and begin academy in OKC on 6/18! I’m kinda nervous but excited too!
Same here. I’m nervous but trying to remain calm lol. I start the academy 6/20
@@taranbarnes1897 cool! Maybe I’ll see you there then!
@@ADVENTSIGMA yesssirrr. You just might, I got the Terminal track
How did you get experience?
@@Tytrades
It just requires you have 3 years progressive working experience or bachelor’s degree/4 years of schooling. Or you can even have a combination of college and progressive work experience as long as it totals at least 3 years or more. That’s all you need/that’s required when applying
Great video. Very informative and to the point.
Such a great breakdown, my guy. I took the ATSA and feel pretty good about it, but we shall see how I did when the scores come out in a month or so. But I'd love if you could do a new video on the process beyond the ATSA, including your insights on what training at the academy looks like and/or some of the differences between center and terminal, although that's out of our hands if we get an FOL. I'm sure a lot of people would be highly interested in a part II to this video!
Agree, this video is the best one out there for this info. Make another!!
update
thanks for the info! currently a sophomore in college studying aviation management and thinking about going atc after graduating
Aspiring ATC here, tower preferably, but willing to bend over for whatever position is afforded to me.
Anyway, just wanted to thank you for this informative video! I actually had to research a bunch of this information for several courses in my college, but I never really had much insight or opinions from someone who is/was in the industry. The FAA website makes it seem so black and white, when it’s really not and you confirmed my assumptions in regards to Air Traffic Control. I appreciate what you do, man-and love the podcasts!
No problem, and best of luck!
Thank you so much! This video is very informative! When's the next Bid? I'd like to get started.
Hey LO, applied a couple months ago, and got a testing email now for the Pearson VUE test. Wish me luck!
If you are picked up for Enroute you will go to the Academy, then to a facility where you will repeat what the Academy taught and take a bunch of simulator problems. If you pass that you will go on to OJT in the Control Room where you will be trained and evaluated on a daily basis. If you pass that you will be certified and start working your way up in experience and pay. It is an arduous three-year process for most people. My experience as a 30-year Controller and 6-year Instructor is previous background has little application past the initial training in Enroute. Tower and Enroute are two different worlds. Radar Approach and Enroute are very similar so if you have done that in the military it will be a benefit. Even then, non-Radar training is a world of its own. I worked in three different facilities in the U.S. and Afghanistan and loved my career. Good luck.
Great response and all very true. Thanks!
How come they have specific age ranges they accept?
Thanks for making this video, it’s very informative and confirms some of the knowledge I know about ATC. I graduated with a BS in Aviation Administration from a university. It only had one class in ATC and it was informative but I feel like I don’t know anything about it really. I work at an FBO and hear air traffic chatter but I would like to understand it completely. I’m planning to go to a AT-CIT school so I can hopefully learn more but currently I have to save some money before I do (bills etc.) I wanted ask if you recommend anything that can teach more ATC language or anything to simulate it that is teachable to a complete beginner. Thank you!
Well explained, I just don't know how to explain my job to people who have no aviation idea
Don't feel so bad, I still have no idea what I do. LOL
Are you well paid?
Define well paid
@@simonchuma7170 100k plus? I’m considering atc as an option and have a family and not completely sure if I’ll get a job right away after training and be well paid quickly.
No career in the land booms quicker, you gotta grow into it. There is money in ATC
The war medic and the Quarterback are perfect examples of the environmental atmosphere of an atc. You gotta be in your zone and on your Agame. I love these kind of environments. Its not a stressful environment but one that challenges you and makes you better!
Thanks for the detailed video and the content over the years. If you can clarify ‘closing date of the application period’ that would help. I turn 30 in April - will I qualify in time or should I even bother?
You will be good. Apply.
Great info man thanks! I recently got the email so I've been studying for the ATSA!
Charlie Malave How!!??I got my email too but I have no idea what I should be studying??help 🙏🏾
How have you been studying for the test?
In the scheduling email theres a link in the pages to buy practice material. The site was called psi.
me too. did you take your test?
TangoBeast1324 I didn’t see that in the email
I knew a guy that did six years in the Navy as an AC and got out and landed a job at Dulles Airport years ago, he worked there until he was 56 and retired. But he continued to work in the aviation field later as a contractor for the Navy in Jacksonville Fl, even though he makes a nice retirement he enjoys working still.
Thanks for the great video! What do they mean exactly when they say 3 years progressive work experience? Like I am a delivery food driver now, in a couple years would that count as 3 years progressive work experience or is it a certain type of work. Just in case you have any knowledge on that. Thanks man
Yes, it will count as progressive work experience
I recently came across your video about air traffic controllers and what the job entails and the process and it really peaked my interest in this as a career. However, I only just saw the video yesterday and it seems I can no longer apply. I was wondering if the days for applying just randomly pop up and you have to apply on that day and that's the end of it, or if there and any open application periods where you can apply anytime? It would mean a lot to get some more insight on this. Really enjoyed your video and all the useful information you provided!
Thanks, Quinn! The bid period has ended for this, however there will be more that are essentially the same thing. As for time frame, not sure yet...but I would think within the next few months, so just stay tuned. Subscribe, and best of luck!
Good information in this video.
Thank you, and best of luck!
Hopefully they will open some OTS bids 2021 or before then, Sadly I don’t feel like they will with corona. I’m gonna subscribe and put on notifications for your channel so I know if they do!
This man is Speaking Straight Facts 😂😂🔥🔥🔥. That Being said I'm Applying for ATC Today!
Good informative video!!
Thanks man
Thank you soo much for this video, it's informative 😊
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How do you know when the next hire wave is gonna be? I know they do experienced/non-experienced bids. So 2 hire waves a year?
The video is great! Thank you for the information! I am currently waiting for the new applications to open, so I can apply. But I was wondering.
Why did you end up leaving? What are the down sides that made you quit or leave? Career advancement and wage in mind?
I believe he mentioned shift work at one point
@@TroyHill442 shift work? Meaning the work was not enough?
This was awesome, thanks for sharing your information! I am curious about why you stepped down as a controller. I assume you made it through the academy, but it can't be for the money of running a meme account. Was it the stress? Was it not what you expected? You still seem passionate about it so I am slightly confused. Thanks, however, for this cool video!
Thanks! No problem. Truthfully, I left because I wanted to build my own business and while the job itself didn't seem too bad, the shift work was brutal. I knew I could't work days/nights/midnights in one week. Furthermore, I felt that if I didn't use my time in my late 20s to quit, start my own thing, and grow it, it would get more and more difficult. Turns out, I made the right move. However, it was not an easy choice! Today I work with multiple stakeholders within the aviation and ATC industry, and so I am still very much connected to it; even more than I was as an ATC. Hope this helps!
And he is not the only person who has ever stepped down from being a controller to do something different or to follow a different dream. I know one person in the air traffic system at a very highly paid and desirable facility who recently stepped down with about 10 years or so to become an insurance salesman and investment advisor.
Thanks, for the informational video. I had a few questions if you don't mind answering: 1. How does the college credit to work experience combination work? 2. How difficult is it to get placed at a higher level facility like JFK or LAX out of the academy? 3. How much can one expect to make if they work overtime at a high-level facility? 4. What are your thoughts on transitioning to management and what is their pay like? 5. If someone is hardworking and all but are only in this job for the money will they be able to last?
1. College is usually applied on a credit basis, ie how many courses you actually completed, but really how the actual combination works is anyone's guess. Just be sure to put anything that you can think of in the application.
2. That is not possible; you will NOT be sent to a level 12 facility right out of the academy. Notable exceptions are the ARTCCs, and SOME specific facilities that have their own independent bids. This is almost always because these facilities are notoriously hard to staff; the most notable example of this is N90/New York TRACON. Due to traffic complexity, facility culture, and cost of living, I would be willing to say that N90 is the most difficult air traffic control facility in the world. Still, people certify there all the time, so, don't take anyone's advice to heart.
3. Depends on the facility. But overtime can be significant. I know people who make well over $250,000 with overtime (or a lot more...) but I also know controllers at smaller VFR towers that make $60-80k. Still a very good salary by any standard, and you still have a life. Also I cannot stress cost of living enough, something many, especially early in their careers (20s) don't think about. My property taxes here on Long Island ALONE are more than my entire cost of living was in Indiana. If you live in San Francisco, making $500,000 is like making $80k in Cleveland.
4. Depends on what your life goals are. Most controllers don't do it because many of them make more than the managers, and to be quite frank, managing ATCers doesn't seem like a job many people would ever want to do. If you think controlling pilots is bad, just try to control ATCers. LOL. Then there's just the fact that many ATCers don't have the personality interest for management. I wouldn't be caught quoting anyone, per se, but it would be my quess that the majority of controllers would simply get bored, and would rather work airplanes. Again, human psychology is complex. and everyone is different. Finally, the union (NATCA) is a very good and strong union, at least relatively speaking. I don't want to really get into labor relations, but I recommend anyone interested in the job reads up on NATCA. I have real world experience on both sides, and they both have + and -s. As a footnote, for those controller trainees out there, I would highly encourage you to join the union. There are many benefits to this.
5. Again, depends. Personally, as I mention in the video, it's more or less a type of personality and stress management thing than doing it 'for the money'. Sure, you can make good money, but keep in mind that there is never a free lunch. I especially stress the physical, mental, and social risks associated with rotating shift work, which is undeniably intrusive for many, many people. As always in life, instead of asking what you'd like to accomplish, per se, a better metric is to ask what you're willing to give up. Truthfully, giving up my physical health is not something I am willing to do, and I decided that somewhere along the timeline.
Cheers and best of luck.
LO
Long Island
@@LOAltitude Thank you so much! I really appreciate your in-depth response!
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Awesome Video
As a live musician, we deal with similar live "problems"
Yessir!
Hi! Just wanted thank you! I stumbled across this video a year ago so my boyfriend and I applied. I unfortunately didn’t make it through but my boyfriend just got an email that his on boarding is in June! The process took a whole year but we are super excited! Thanks again for your video!!!
No problem, and best of luck. Apply again now!
Just wondering, why did you not make it through, but your boyfriend did?
Got my email to schedule my ATSA, here we go!
TheSwiftestScout hey do you know what kind of test it is??I know it’s assessment but I just wanna be prepared thanks in advance
Me too! Good luck!
@@troublemonroe Everything I've read said it's going to be fast math, brain teaser esque questions, general questions, personality things, but every site has a differing answer so idk!
How did it go ?
@@SummerDAndrews Mine is set for the 21st @ 10am, I'm just getting myself mentally ready right now
Just signed the Navy for ATC!!!
Hey love your insightful video, I have a few questions I may want to switch to this career field. I am graduating college in May and wanted to know do you recommend become a ATC for the Air Force and then switch over to commercial or would you rather recommend a a place like Vaughn college to get an associates degree in ATC ?
Military experience will help more than spending money on a degree that will not guarantee a job. It will also make you eligible for bidding VRA(veteran only) bids when they come out. If you want to go to school, think Embry Riddle. In my 28 years, they consistently turned out the best prepared ATC trainees.
Just curious what you decided to do? I graduated last May with a degree in an unrelated field. Im now talking to an AF recruiter about doing ATC since it seems to be the best way to get my foot in the door.
@@starwarsgummybear If you do chose the AF, please do yourself a favor and ensure your contract says ATC and only ATC. Some recruiters will put "Guaranteed aptitude field" instead of "Guaranteed job". Aptitude field, means they could put you in ATC or they can put you somewhere else that requires similar aptitude scores. Good luck in whatever you choose.
EXCELLENT VIDEO! I would not qualify due to my age of 59 but I am curious about one thing. The mean wage that you listed for 2016 is that based on a 40 hour per week? Also, is it an hourly job or salary? Again, I think you did a great job in giving an overview of becoming an ATC controller!
Hi Mike, it is based on 40 hours per week. I hear the overtime, holidays and red eye shifts are well compensated.
Thanks Mike. Salary based, but based on 40hr week so overtime and differential
It's salary but everything is based on a hourly rate....you get night pay....Sunday pay....training pay....holiday pay and overtime based on the hourly rate added onto the salary.
I applied for the January 2020 bid Got best qualified and I’m currently waiting on getting cleared. Took mmpi-2 yesterday!
What do you apply for on USA jobs? is there an entry level position name or is just CPC? Thanks!
@@nate122992 they usually open up off the street bids every year for applicants who have no prior experience or training. Not sure when the next bid will be but when it releases it will be on USAjobs.gov
@@dgarza883 specifically what job title do you search for on the site?
@@lawrenceknox6942 “Air Traffic Controller Trainee” but there currently isn’t any open with out experience. Theres
a lot of forums on pointsixtyfive and Reddit (Atc hiring) regarding job openings. When there’s a job opening you’ll know if you keep up with these sites.
Did you use prepware?
Wow, that's a coincidence. One day after getting recommended a video on how being an ATC is the most stressful job ever, I then get recommended this video lol. What are you trying to tell me youtube?
So my professor got on the phone with the FAA, and got some information. For people who received their TOL this year, it might take another 6 months to get into the academy since their hiring process is at a halt. They were suppose to hire 500 controllers this year, but so far only 2. However, FAA said that once covid is over, they will be hiring about 3,000 new controllers.
yeah, this sounds about right. Keep in mind, I applied in 2012, and didn't get to the academy until February 2014! My process went through at least one government shutdown, and the whole bit. So - stay optimistic, but stay patient. This is the government; nothing happens fast.
Not to add to the dim outlook, but something else to keep in mind is that the academy really pulled back on the class sizes and is currently overbooked.
For example, We have already hired controllers that are certified on flight data, that just need to go to the academy for RTF or TSEW and are being told the earliest they can get in is October / November 2021. 🤷♂️
Is 3,000 a lot for 2021 hiring?
3000 this year?
This is seriously one of the best videos I have ever watched on youtube, thanks for this
Thank you!
Thanks for your info...
Please what are the job site for international students please
Does the 3 years work experience have to be 3 straight years, or can it be like 2 years at this job, 1 year at this job, that sort of thing
Combination of jobs equaling 3 years
Heyyy there thx for the informational video. I have a BS in atmospheric sciences from Stony Brook University. I’m considering ATC and commercial pilot. Would you by any chance have any expertise in the later and wouldn’t mind talking about it? Thank you!
I am not a pilot. However, I have extensive aviation experience in many aspects of the field. Sure! I think it would be advantageous to talk about it. Also, as a related side-note, you do NOT have to be a pilot to be an ATC. However, it can probably help.
I'm hoping to jump onto the upcoming bid, but worry that my medical may not qualify. I currently wear hearing aids in order to understand better and am doing so because I've heard of controllers who wear them as well. How much of a detriment would this be?
(Disclaimer: I am not a Dr, not an AME!) That said, I know it's possible. You most likely have to get a waiver. But so long as it you can pass the hearing test, and it does not affect your ability to do the job, I don't think it would present a factor. I heard of one case of someone who was deaf in one ear and still get a waiver (pilot). Wish I knew who I heard that from...but suffice, it's best to reach out to a doc. Best of luck!
I’m a combat medic and always wanted to either fly or atc. It’s time
Thanks brother
Hi! I have a question would you know how to get training? I'm looking for training, I live in Chicago but I have not been successful with finding any school. I was told that this job role does not require a college degree? I would really appreciate if someone can let me know where I can get training in Chicago. thanks!
You are trained once selected, you just have to apply. There are CTI schools, but as I discussed they're hit/miss and do not really increase your chance of even getting hired.
A lot of people asking when the next bid or academy dates could be handed out. Not to add to the dim outlook, but something else to keep in mind is that the academy really pulled back on the class sizes and is currently overbooked.
For example, We have already hired controllers that are certified on flight data, that just need to go to the academy for RTF or TSEW and are being told the earliest they can get in is October / November 2021.
That doesn’t mean they won’t put out a bid for new controllers or eventually increase class sizes, but just a heads up that in this “hurry up and wait” line into the FAA, things might go at even more of a snails pace for awhile.
If you’re in your late 20s or pushing up against 31 any time soon, definitely have a backup life plan in case the FAA doesn’t work out. With that being said, I wish all of you the best of luck, and hope things pick up soon.. I’m tired of mandatory 6 day work weeks and holdover. We need people. 👍
6 day work weeks sounds awful. I'm sure the money you make is great but what good is it if you have no time to enjoy it?
@@JB-fl8eg True statement
@@jaymonty6530 Whats the starting pay for AG level? Any input would be greatly appreciated
Be ready the job process is long. I applied July 2018 took the test October 2018, and was offered a TOL in January 2019. I’m still checking my email everyday. Can’t wait for OKC tho!
congrats! Get ready for the time of your life!
@@TH3G3M I passed the academy like 2 months ago, after going to OKC in February and being sent back due to covid. The academy was one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to do in my life. Now covid has us trainees stuck at home. :/
@@jdwilliams2567 what did the academy consist of?
@@jdwilliams2567 How hard was the academy?
Really helpful
Is there any chance to get a shot as a foreign citizen? Especially if you were already involved it ATC for example in Germany? 🧐
I’m currently in my last year of high school ( senior year), and I’m not sure what the best route or option is, should I go to one of the 36 certified FAA college schools to get my bachelor’s degree and once I finish that where/ what do I do? Training or what exactly afterwards?
@Gucci Chan leaving the military won't be easy if you go that route. After they have invested into your education, you will be required to dedicate a large number of years back to the navy. By the time you've fulfilled those requirements, you'll be late 40s early 50s and will be required to retire from ATC at 65 years old. So what may work for you, may not necessarily work for the next guy
Do you know by chance how much an ATC makes in the Czech Republic after 10 years?
I did apply in belgium, got a positive answer.... wasn't expecting that 😅 anyway, I start the tests next week. Hope it will go well
cam u plzz tell me what is working hour for ATC ..here india salary of ATC is very low....
What’s the difference between CTI and ATI school?
Army controller here. Hoping I can get my cto before my contract ends but I have tactical tower ratings. Wonder if they’ll still make me go to the academy?? tough bc I’ve still got 3 years and I’m praying they’re still needing people by then
That's actually a great question, but so far as I understand, yes, you will still go to the schoolhouse. The good news is, it'll probably be easier for you, so long as you get tower. I know I was in OKC with controllers from military, one of which had a CTO, but we were in enroute (ARTCC) training. So, again, it's pretty random. Best of luck!!
If you are picked up for Enroute you will go to the Academy, then to a facility where you will repeat what the Academy taught and take a bunch of simulator problems. If you pass that you will go on to OJT in the Control Room where you will be trained and evaluated on a daily basis. If you pass that you will be certified and start working your way up in experience and pay. It is an arduous three-year process for most people. My experience as a 30-year Controller and 6-year Instructor is previous background has little application past the initial training in Enroute. Tower and Enroute are two different worlds. Radar Approach and Enroute are very similar so if you have done that in the military it will be a benefit. Even then, non-Radar training is a world of its own. I worked in three different facilities in the U.S. and Afghanistan and loved my career. Good luck.
I'm a prior Army controller and had a CTO from my time at Fort Campbell. You won't have to go to the academy for basics, but if you are assigned and up down facility or enroute you'll be going to the academy for radar training. It's actually not to bad. Good luck brother!
What are the difference in the two I see schools with both names Flight Dispatcher vs Air Traffic Control
Once you get to your first assignment facility. When can you change to another one of your choice like 1 years 2 years 3 years? Or does it not work that way.
I can only imagine now what it would be like. I have a thing with by age 30 or 31 as they say. He says its disqualifying and does it matter yes it does.. Such a heartbreaker in watching this video. I guess i wasnt cut out for aviation and i have co-pilot background experience not in the years though. I since have found a nack for getting into things with unattainable goals. Im 38 and i guess i can kiss an atc career goodbye. My hats off to those who can. Time to look at a different job. What can i use my skills for with my college background now. Only if atc makes an exception. And if they find out then an exception-exception
Interested in becoming an ATC but I have deuteranopia color blindness. Is color blindness and automatic turn off?
Hey!! For those who missed the deadline to apply, do you know when the next time we can apply?
The deadline is tomorrow!
This is so true as a refinery worker, it can be really boring and all of a sudden things go crazy and you have to go 0-100 real quick. Its very stressful at times, especially when you encounter an issue you haven’t dealt with. You can get anxious at times hoping something doesnt go wrong that you haven’t dealt with.
I just applied for the June 27th window. I had applied several times before but with no luck. I’ve been considering a career change from healthcare for awhile. This is probably my last time I am able to apply since I’ve reached the age limit at 30. Wish me luck!
What stopped you from succeeding in previous applications?
hi friend, can you answer me please? Can i get the job of Air Traffic Controller in USA , if I have work experience in Russia?
This was super helpful! I’ve got a kid headed to Embry-Riddle in the fall considering ATC. Question about medical clearance- my son has an FAA 2nd class pilot medical clearance. It took over a year to get this due to a bunch of old medical issues , but would it be safe to assume that if the FAA cleared him as a pilot, they would also clear him for ATC? Would hate to have him start classes but then get denied medical.
Peter Vermilyea you need to read the FAA requirements and see whether they require second class or first class FAA medicals for ATC. Yes indeed, your son should get and make sure he can keep the required medical certificate before starting school!
Def ask the flight surgeon on this one. There are no guarantees. I wouldn't recommending going to college for ATC. Def have a deep interest, and stay educated on the field and apply as often as possible. But I would be weary of 'majoring' in air traffic control. Outside of the FAA, it is virtually worthless. To be frank, I wouldn't even major in aviation. I went to Purdue and majored with aviation, but I also did management. I was very close to doing engineering. I don't think I would be in any different spot (though, perhaps I would have partied less, LOL), but for what it's worth, I think, just as a general opinion, the more broad your degree, the better. The purpose of college isn't to get you a job, it's to make you able to think better. Big difference in paradigm.
LO Altitude I think there are two opposite approaches (no pun intended) to college majors- go broad and be master of nothing, or go narrow but be trained for a specific career. The latter approach worked for me as a pharmacist. But if that particular industry dries up, I’m in trouble. Everyone is different. Appreciate your input! :)
It’s a very long hiring process. From when I applied to when I received my final offer letter was more than 2 years. I start my basics on 4/22/22. I’m excited to start.
Is school required?
@@amidmack8909 no degree is required to get hired, no.
How has it been
@@plumbob8063 training is tough. Been having to study daily.
Alexander Kravchuk what state are you working in?
i have no clue how you got $275,000... the max pay right now (2024) is 221k, and thats after 20 plus years of experience
CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE ANSWER- I WAS DISCHARGED FOR DRUG ABUSE WITH A GENERAL UNDER HONORABLE CONDITIONS, still recieve all benefits but GI bill and am considered a legal veteran. Is this a disqualification trait ?
I always wanted to be in avation one way or another but man I'm scared of that mental test because I'm 100% ptsd rated by the VA. But I'll still try, be turning 29 and wasting my life trucking. When does the job open back up for application?
I had a co-worker who was 100%rated and had PTSD and he had to fight very hard against the FAA flight surgeon for that condition. Good luck to you brother.
Thank you for the video I have a question in my situation I just graduated from highschool in Georgia I’ve been looking at this career over the last two years and always was told I needed a 4 year degree or a associates degree but if I heard the video right I wouldn’t need either ? But just to apply for the trainee process
You do not need a degree. I didn't have one back in 1989 and got hired on a "OTS" (off the street) bid. I did have military ATC experience but it was not needed on my bid. The FAA has had many types of bids and requirement over the years. VRA(veterans), OTS, CTI(college training initiative), and some hybrids of these. Someone in the FAA thought that having a degree would bring in better candidates, so for a while, that's all that could get hired. That DID NOT produce better applicants. In my experience, 28 years(yes, I went through the old screen in OKC), the success rate dropped from 60-65% passing to just above 40%. I'm certain that is why you are seeing many more OTS bids. It is a mentality that is needed more than anything else. Work on your 3 years of practical work experience and bid when they open it up again.
plenty of air traffic controllers in the highest-level facilities getting hired in off the street with high school education's.
I had a 4 year degree but didn't need one to get the job. You need 3 years of work experience at the minimum. Or college/work combination.
@@KB-xd5wq what type of work experience, is it something in particular? And also do you recommend going to college or what exactly after high school graduation?
I applied in August I just got an email that have I have access to take FAA’s Air Traffic Skills Assessment . What does this mean? What happens next? Is this assessment to worry about? I'm excited and nervous I want to move forward and successfully pass every step and join the academy! Can you tell us what happens after the assessment?
Hi Melissa I’m in the same boat right now and basically from my research and you take the test and wait 3 weeks after to see if you are “referred” (aka you passed) and then another 3 months to receive you temporary offer letter
Good video. From a 28 year controller, you hit most of the marks. It is the best job in the world!
Hell yeah bro!
Hi, I’d appreciate a response!!
So the person making this video mentioned you can’t really control where you end up. My question for you since you are an ATC.... I live in Oregon and would love to end up working here as an ATC. And I wanted to know since he said you can’t really control where you end up going, does he mean I will be stationed like where they need me to work?, or is that only for training etc?. Because I’m ok with leaving for training and end up working here in oregon.
Thank you!
JJC can I ask some advice from you?
@@dmitriytsurkan8758 You will attend the FAA Academy in Oklahoma City. After successful completion, you will be placed in a facility based on need. It could be anywhere. I've heard rumors that the top graduate gets first pick of available locations but that is not a guarantee. Your chances of getting Oregon are slim because of there are only 4 facilities to my knowledge. Like almost all FAA controllers, you may have to start somewhere less desirable then bid for the place you want after you certify.
@@Hedgeflexlfz If you are asking me, then yes I will try to answer your question. I will only answer here though, sorry.
I’m not sure if any positions are still open but I took my ATSA in November 2019 - just received my TOL yesterday, so it takes a hot minute. At this point, I’ll have to pass the screening phase and then I’m off to the academy.
Do they accept eveyone in the airline school ? Or this is usually difficult to get accepted ?
LO Altitude, curious what facility you work at.
I am interested in the field and will be graduating with my BA in Geography and Business from Nebraska in May 2020, however I have a genetic form of heart disease. I have had a clean bill of health virtually my entire life and am disappointed that one of the medical requirements of becoming an ATC is to not have any form of heart disease.
Yes, this sucks. I'd encourage you to talk to an AME though. Best of luck
Can can I study the course? Could you recommend
I applied for this bid and am still in the hiring process, its a long bumpy road. But well worth it.
How challenging is the academy? Do you get free time at all?
@@giss6637 i still am waiting for a class date for the academy, but its basically a 9-5 mon-friday paid training with weekends and holidays off. But i heard it is quite challenging with a high wash out rate.
Hi, I’m a senior in high school about to graduate wanting to become a ATC and I was wondering if I should go to a ATC school and if so a 2 year or a 4 year school. Basically I was just asking on what y’alls mistakes were or if you even had any mistakes going to your ATC school. If y’all can help me out this would be awesome 😀
I am also a senior bro , maybe see you in a ATC tower one day man or in school haha . I am wondering the same question so thank you
@@dannygross1639 same goes to you💯
@@boudreux9318 pay has been increasing all the time. What are you talking about?
Will you be posting future bid openings?
I will yep!
How do you like air traffic control? I’ve been interested in this for years. I want to go for it
It's an awesome job, but it comes with some potential side effects. Most notably, the ones related to shift work.
While on the job do ATC's have the option to stand while working or does all work have to be completed in the seated position? I ask because right now when I work I sometimes stand at my standing desk.
A lot of tower controllers do stand! Radar, you're sitting.
@@LOAltitude You can stand doing radar, but it's harder to see the screen! 30+ years ATC: center, tower and three different tracons. Good video. Actual information. Ironically, the 'mean' pay seems a little high. Most cpc's at my facility are making way less than $125K. That means that there are some cpc's making bank above...
What are the hours like? 40 a week? do your hours shift around from day shift to night shift?
40 hours is the normal schedule. As I mentioned, many facilities are short staffed, so there are many overtime hours. The shifts are all over the place. Normally, you'll rotate based on the local agreement and schedule. Admittedly, the schedules can be notoriously severe. It just depends on where you work. Sometimes you'll do something like 2 evening shifts, 1 middle of the day/swing shift, and then two nights, or a midnight shift then get 2-3 days off. Personally, that always kind of scared the shit out of me. While it is true that some people seem to have a physical and/or psychological ability to shift their circadian rhythm more efficiently than others, it is also absolutely true that sleep is one of the most fundamental components of mental and physical health. Last year I read a book by Dr. Matthew Walker called 'Why We Sleep'. It's a terrifying look at how bad rotating shifts can be. I am NOT saying this to discourage you (like I said, many people can handle it fine). But it is most certainly a realistic thing to be concerned about. I should also note that, unlike the military, an on the same token as mentioning that many medications are banned, things like modafinil/Provigil, and/or amphetamines, etc, are of course all banned. The military, on the other hand, have used these types of drugs without significant issues for decades to help with shift work adjustment. That is well documented. It's a cultural thing. In any case, the job isn't for everyone. But if it's for you, do yourself a favor and buy a large coffee pot and start practicing this weekend. LOL. cheers
Hello, thanks for the video! I been looking at the FAA website, but I can’t seem to be able to find any useful contact info where I can ask them my questions on how to become an Air traffic controller. Could anyone help me locate the contact information?
I would also look at the FAA twitter or NATCA twitter feeds or Facebook. They often will have when another bid is open. Due to COVID training may be delayed for a bit though.
@@KB-xd5wq Thanks! That's a good advice
Thanks man. Thanks a lot. Unfortunately I'm 36. Great vid.
Yeah i didnt get the age thing
Question I applied for ATC last month and was wondering how long was the hiring process? Would i have to move to another state or its a choice of what state i can work at when i done with everything?
Hi! I’m not an air traffic controller (yet) but I am beginning my academy training so I’ve gone through most of the things you’re asking about. I applied in august 2021 and I’m just now starting academy, so it takes aboit 13 months from the time you apply, the the time you are employed by the FAA. You many have to move states but you get somewhat of a choice where you go at first. You get to pick locations based on available options AND you academy score ranking compared to your other classmates at the end of the academy. But you can always transfer to a different facility after you check out eventually. Hope this helps!
But like he said in the video, a lot of factors are at play with how long it takes so just keep waiting and applying if you don’t get this bid. And be willing to move to a random state you don’t really wanna go to because that’s the worst case scenario with placement.
@@ryanlomas7689 yea definitely appreciate it. I applied in June and was like did they forget about me lol
You’ll go to Oklahoma City to the academy, and your final scoring will determine your ranking. Highest scoring person in the academy gets first pick off of a specific list of places.
Unless you’re getting hired “off the street.”
@@MrThegreat94did you ever hear back yet?
After Graduating the academy. Will you be able to request hardship to get back home to a near by facility? Or is that not a thing no more?
Probably possible, but increasingly unlikely. I wouldn't count on it. best bet, pick the smallest, quietest tower and get it done. IMO, the top strategy is to certify in the quickest amount of time. After that, the ball is in your court
LO Altitude Does that mean you would recommend Terminal over Enroute?
I disagree with the advice. Here's the key... Pick a low-level facility if you must that has very high desirability.a facility that is highly desirable like say for example Asheville North Carolina tower would be a facility that it would be very easy for you to transfer out of after certification because someone always wants to come there. Search the nation for themost desirable facilities and that is where you want to go for your first one to certify and then apply for the NCEPT transfer program for certified controllers.
@@LOAltitude I guess to each his own. The life of a tower dude can be a nomad. Yes get checked out faster but if you want to make money you will be on a nomad adventure of assignments to busier facilities and cities. We were assigned Centers from day one and enjoyed the facility...even though I never had heard of a center at the time.
@@Joss-Lyn I had enroute and loved it.
If i started working there at 22 could i keep working after im older than 34?
Yes.....you have to retire the month that you turn 56.
Is there any update on another opening this year?
Hang tight. It's unlikely due to coronavirus. However, the retirees are still retiring... So they'll need you. Subscribe and I'll update as I hear more.
From what I understand, you don’t need training prior, these will be entry level jobs correct? I have college and 5 years in a full time job.
Jennifer Katlin did you get your answers?
Yes, that is correct. Go ahead and apply. You sound like you'd be qualified with respect to work and education experience.
Please explain WHY there is a age max (and a low one at that) and how the FAA can bypass federal employment anti-discrimination law
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hi iam high school graduate and want to pursue my career of air traffic control how can i be
Great video but I would recommend getting an associates degree for it if you can. If you graduate as a CTI graduate then you increase your chances of getting to the academy quicker and getting a higher paying position.
While that may have been true in the past, I don't have any reason to think it is now. If I am wrong, I'll gladly look into it. But generally, I wouldn't recommend CTI.
Personally...I wouldn't waste my time or money on a ATC school.
@@KB-xd5wq I’m currently in my last year of high school and I’m not sure what the best option or route is? Do I go to college and study in AT-CTI or what exactly is best after high school graduation? Any feedback is helpful, Thanks!
What if you have a four-year bachelors of science degree from a four-year university?
I want to be an AC in the military but I see people saying that most people in this field commit scuicide, if that is true why is that I genuinely don’t understand
I just turned 28 and as a former EMT and small business owner I am seeking a career change. Would pursuing a career in ATC be realistic at my age? I turn 29 in October. Thanks.
909orbitz it’s normally requires an associates degree bro. 🤷🏾♂️🥺
No degree required, and by all means apply at the next open bid. Nothing to lose, best of luck!
YOu need to get in before you are 30
for locality, is DC still the best location even for ATC?
Nope, that best location you are talking about his HoustonTexas. Lowest cost of living in the United States along with one of the very highest locality pay zones.
My other question is- would they just offer you a position anywhere in the USA? Can you have a preference of a state ?
As far as I know, you only get a list of possible facilities while at the academy. There used to be a way to choose desired location ("geo-prefs"). So far as I can gather, that is no longer the case. But these things change often. If you have any interest, apply.
Just remember wherever you go, once you get fuller certified you can apply for jobs all over the US as long as the need controllers and have an open bid out. Alot of people move around the country this was. Just dont start in New York because they are always understaffed and you will never get out.