Not a refresh, it's still Zen 3. No company would use old silicon, give it 100MHz more and call it a new generation. Right...? But yeah, useless CPU at this price.
And if you stay on the same socket, you can get a 5700X3D for 186eur ... AMD shooting themselves in both feet at the same time with the pointless XT lmao
always has been. the only people should buy it is no-one. the non XT variants is cheaper, if you want gaming you go for the x3d and for productivity you go for the 5950x (that is if you don't want to move to AM5). The XT variants is a waste of sand (quote from GamerNexus, back when the XT get release for the 3000 series). IF anybody want to argue about the overclocking capability, yes it's binned from a higher tier but they already OC it from the factory and AM4 are not know for the OC capability anyways
@@dogdie147If you're already on AM4, then the Ryzen 9 5950X for a focus on productivity or the Ryzen 7 5800X3D for a focus on gaming is great. But if you're building new, I would just go for AM5 and enjoy the performance benefits and having an iGPU for diagnostic purposes. Of course, stay away from Intel for now.
@@dogdie147 I don't think sand has been wasted here. Those are probably just relabeled old X CPUs, they try to sell this way with slightly altered clock speeds.
Use this as a "please retest the 7950X3D now that a lot of the scheduling issues are fixed to see the improvements" button, I would love to see these numbers before the 9950X & 9950X3D (probably October/November would be my guess) come out.
Yup. It's overpriced and barely better than the variant it was binned from. But it does pass the bare minimum requirement of not being fundamentally broken which still makes it better than Intels 13th and 14th gen.
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 Intel can still make good cpus if they want to. They just need to focus on delivering a good product instead of pushing what they have to it's breaking point in attempt to beat AMD. If AMD could survive after bulldozer and come back with the fastest gaming cpu on the market then Intel can as well.
Interesting, how nowadays the additional bandwidth of DDR5 finally makes a positive impact. At the zen4 launch, the zen4 parts seemed more at the 5800x3D level.
I swear to god AMD comes up with great bang for buck products but can’t do marketing right for their lives. But this wasn’t it. This one is just insulting to consumers.
This isnt even a good bang for buck product. Honestly, this isnt even worse making its own skew for. This is just a 5800X, the 5800X was already just a 5700X but higher binned and barely faster. Literally the most pointless launch and other than to try and push people to over pay for 5700X’s
In exactly one month from now the 5800XT is going to be $20 more expensive than the 5800X. That's $4 more for the extra 2-3% performance and $16 for the cooler. AMD never misses an opportunity to wreck their own reviews yet end up pleasing the crowd down the road anyway.
Zen 3 XT is a unbelievably bad release considering the retail price. When the original SKUs these are based on retail for considerably less, these are actively worse products than the originals from 2020.
The 5900XT (though - should be named 5950 probably...) does make sense, as it brings you 16 cores at a lower price. This one? In Steves from GN voice: "Waste of sand".
So right now on Amazon I can get the 5700x for $161 which is just a slightly under-clocked 5800x/5800xt. But the real star is the 5700x3d for $210 (sometimes even sub $200). Yes you get the box cooler, but for $30, you can get some nice tower coolers that would be as good if not better…. All still cheaper than the 5800xt.
Another point is... if you're on AM4 looking into a CPU upgrade and eyeballing the 5700X3D, you probably already have a (hopefully decent) CPU cooler anyway, so likely no extra cost on that front (unless you're stuck with the waste of metal that is the wraith stealth or the newer wraith spire revision without the copper slug... those are likely not up to the job)
5700x3d has basically taken its place as the budget x3d option. Probably not enough defective dies to make many 5600x3d's now. Unless you're suggesting they intentionally disable cores on perfectly good 5800x3ds lol
I know its all nostalgia but man when I finally move to AM5 and AMD stops making AM4 its gonna be bittersweet. something about those square PGA chips just takes me back to my first Athlon my Dad let me install in my first computer. every time I see one
Just going to say it again, the only reason AMD releases these new CPUs is to get good reputation about extending AM4, even though it's through completely pointless products.
As someone still on AM3, I was kinda curious and maybe a little excited for the XT model chips, until I saw the benchmark notes. Indefensible. Even the most stalwart of fanboys should be able to see that. It would be one thing if these were receiving budget price tags, but it's another thing entirely to launch them at an inflated price and hope no one buying 'em heard about the benchmark snafu.
Honestly if you're not already on AM4, you shouldn't be looking into AM4 anyway, since there's very little point in building a brand new system on a semi-dead socket. Used parts if you're on a tight budget? Sure, grab a 3600 or 5600 and a B450/B550 board and you're golden for quite some time without breaking the bank. Brand new build? Forget about it and look into a 7600 on AM5 instead (or a 7500F if it's available wherever you are and noticeably cheaper. All you lose is 100MHz and the integrated GPU)
AM4 users can be happy about the 5700X3D though, which brings you very good gaming performance even compared to most newer CPUs for just $180-200, which is much cheaper than the 5800X3D, which is not much faster, especially not when using AMDs overclocking tools to further maximize efficiency and clockspeeds. If you are looking into getting a new system AM5 will be a better choice though. The 7800X3D is very sexy. A 9800X3D will likely be even better, but probably much more expensive as well. Or the 7800X3D will drop in price.
It’s just for press for exposure at this point. It’s a 4 year old architecture with nothing actually new here. Just let the AM4 platform rest and not over-populate the platform with products and doesn’t make sense to release.
maybe AMD is just more meta than we all give them credit for, if the i5 degrades and doesn't work at all then clearly the 5800xt is an infinity faster no? xD
Fucking no, the 13600K’s are t even the ones having issues allegedly and even worse the 12600K still beats it handily. Theyre pricing this thing like they dont wanna sell it either besides to some fanboy still on AM5 thats to stupid to realize he should just buy a 5700X or a 5800X3D
Great! There isn't a single CPU manufacturer out there that doesn't lie, confuse, hide, deny, cook benchmarks, or use idiotic naming/numbering schemes that customers can trust these days. What a sad sad state of affairs. Thank god we have channels like this one, Gamer Nexus, Level1Tech, Hardware Unboxing to try and help even the playing fields for us.
That is a Wraith Stealth which comes with their 65W products. This chip is a 105W part and the Wraith Prism is beefier - and most AMD 105W parts just don't include a cooler rather than provide a good(ish) one.
@@douglasmurphy3266 Nope, it's a Prism. The AMD product page is clear on that. The Stealth, as currently marketed, does not feature heat pipes. Nor does the Spire.
@@douglasmurphy3266 Nope. The 5800xt comes with a Prism. As does the 7700 and 7900. The Stealth and Spire (as currently marketed) do not have heat pipes. So the 65w chips can have either the Prism or Stealth, depending on the model. You're right though that many of the AM5 chips (the early x models) come with no cooler at all.
@Nick_R_ He said the 5800XT comes with the Prism. The literally 2 SKUs you mentioned are the only 65 W parts that also come with the Prism out of around 40 SKUs. The point is the 5800XT is the only 105 W SKU with the Prism. Like HU mentioned, they liked have too many since the 7700 and 7900 non X SKUs did not sell as well. It's otherwise an odd decision, since that cooler isn't really sufficient.
these XT skus would make a lot more sense if they were slightly faster v-cache sku, that were priced at exactly what the previous processor was, then just lower then price on the previous version by 10%, nothing else would make sense in the consumer market... in the OEM market this would make ever slightly more sense, as they primarily sell by branding rather than actual performance.
That cooler for the 6800XT ! I am skeptical, my 5800x likes a lot of cooling. I wish I had 5800X3d but that chip came out just after I bought the 58000x I was desperate at the time, as I was running a 4670 bottlenecking the AMD 590, I was running at the time. I really like the 5800x, It has been so solid and I am amazed at that generation's flexibility.
I can only theorize that this CPU exists for channel partners who have leftover AM4 boards to move... get ready for a couple Cyberpower / Ibuypower configs with XT CPUs shortly, I guess?
Sadly that’s a very plausible explanation. I think a tiny binning exercise, a need to help OEMs and a cynical ploy to say they’re extending AM4 have resulted in this CPU…
Sounds like the old trick: launch with an inflated price but aiming to make special offers immediately afterwards, so people think they are getting a real discount. That, plus the included cooler can convince enough buyers in order to get rid of old stock.
@@rinsenpai135 AM4 processors currently being dumped on the market are a byproduct of AMD's long term Zen 3 Epyc commitments. The reason the prices for Zen 3 is where it sits now is because that's the price point where AMD moves them at the rate they make them. It is that simple. If people stop buying them, prices will drop until they move at production rate again. The second AMD doesn't have any more Zen 3 Epyc commitments AM4 dies.
It comes with a non-self destructing company (currently) that has less employees than who Intel just announced would be laid off before 2025. Support your small businesses :P
Ngl. These are the 1st cpu reviews ive watched in ages since the 7800x3d came out and I got that. But because this launch is such a dumpster fire, it's drawn me in. So think how many other people that will have worked on... Then they see the benchmarks, and what do they see at the top of the list? The 7800x3d. If you ask me, this is genius.
I think you are comparing new release rrp prices with older stock street prices. As it gets to real street level, it will fall below the 5700x3d. It will also be ok for amateur and home creators who need a boost without the cost of a high priced AM5 board and the required new memory in addition to a higher priced CPU. A lot to fork out for some.
It's insane that 7700X is 30%+ faster than 5800X. That is a huge generational jump. I don't remember they marketed it to have that much improvement gen-on-gen
My 13600k oced at 5.6ghz is holding well and no signs of degradation. The whole situation is blown up. I’ll happily keep the better cpu, as I normally get similar performance in gaming as a 7800x3d, while almost double the performance in multicore workloads.
@@drewnewby mine won’t, cause I’m not stupid. Do you even know what the issue is? The main issue is that motherboards push ridiculous amount of voltages to these CPUs. A 14900ks out of the box gets pushed to 1.48v and 1.4v all core. It’s ridiculous. If you have any of these high end CPUs, just undervolt it. Most 14900k’s should easily do 5.7ghz between 1.22-1.28v, as my 13600k can do it in 1.29. 14900ks, upon research can do 5.9 between 1.26-1.32v. 1.33v should be the hard limit if you don’t want to experience any degradation. I do however feel that this problem should have never happened, cause not everyone should be expected to tinker with their cpu. Also the oxidation issue happened to roughly 2-15% of CPUs around end of 2023, so those ppl should get a rma, which Intel has been initiating themselves.
That's not the issue at all, already confirmed by Intel, and known internally to Intel by many. The architectural defect is a design flaw, which affects all Raptor Lake. Maybe go back to your professional minecraft, and leave the engineering discussion to real professionals.
@@drewnewby provish isn't wrong at all. The majority issue is exactly what he is talking about. People buying the i9 k and ks, dropping in an enthusiast MB hitting the power button and walking away. Those people probably should not have bought them. Maybe stop listening to techtubers that are rambling on calling for pitchforks and torches to get views.
@gt1man931 What techtubers? This has been a known issue for years now, in industry. Go back to your Intel forum. Enough with the astroturfing nonsense.
Hey there. I got a 5700x3d for about 180 during prime days. It’s gone up a bit to $210. I’ve also picked up some used CPUs from eBay like the 5900x for $180. I’ve been careful when buying used and so far it’s been a good way to get an upgrade and save some $$. What are your thoughts on buying used provided the seller has good photos, return policy, and decent rating? Cheers Rick
Pretty sure 5800x,5900x both came with the prism cooler. But both my 5800x were bought used locally and my 5900x was open box so I could easily be wrong. My 2700x that started my AM4 journey came with the prism. Just recently sold it and bought a Thermalright Silver Soul 110 and was amazed how much better the little Thermalright is. Sold the prism for $15 and bought the 110 for $30. Installed two 92mm fans in push/pull and a 80mm on the front in push config. The prism did sure look nice but the high pressure clasp used to attach it had me worried I could damage a part someday and decided to go with a Noctua like mounting setup on the Thermalright 110. It's darn near a clone of the Noctua D9L that I own as well cooling a 7600x w/ three Noctua brown fans on it.
The thing is, the engineers do a great job in making the chips and then marketing enters to crap on all the work. After that, then management enters to say well done marketing, we'll proceed with this. The bottom line is, you really can't trust businesses because they will try skew things in their favour as much as possible, it's why the core purpose of reviews stands, to decipher the BS from the facts.
Thanks for doing the Cinebench and Photoshop, etc benchmarks along with the games. I hope this will continue for the upcoming AMD CPU's and all future CPU benchmarks.
5800XT is 280-300€, this is pointless when you have the 5800X 100€ cheaper or the 5700X3D for 230€... prices doesnt make any sense, why they even bother in release this?.
The price increase is a quite rough - but the cooler isn't exactly cheap. The cooler costs over $40 standalone so I would expect the 5800XT to be $40 more than the 5800X even if they were clocked the same.
It makes perfect sense from their perspective, as the 5000 series was a very good series of CPUs and sold very well, so they had too much stock premade and also the 7000 series initially didn't sell all that well mostly due to motherboards costing too much and instead of letting so many chips they had go to waste they found the best chips, called it an XT (with all the procedures that comes with) and let it go out in the wild to maximize profits since it's likely a smaller loss for them to do this than to just throw them away. I am just explaining their perspective on why they did this so don't shoot the messenger.
Sad stuff, not having this hit a 5 GHz at least. My own 5800X with a negative 25 on the cores and a 200 bump van easily hit 4.750 stable all core and 4.925 single all day Rock solid.
I would like to believe the marketing folk has no idea what V-Cache is and thought the X3D CPUs were just some improvement and of course the even newer XT CPUs would be an even larger improvement, so they must be better than the current i5 and i7, right? But then you see how they tested the CPUs to make those claims and it seems more like they knew what they were doing.
The XT CPU do make sense if you're still on an AM4 platform using zen 1 or 2. Considering one in my daughters PC to get a couple more years out of it if the price is reasonable here in Norway.
As Steve said at the end, not exactly exiting content, but absolutely necessary content. We NEED media outlets to hold all companies to the fire when they are dishonest and misleading (as with the 5800XT and 5900XT performance claims), when they're being stupid with prices (as with these CPUs and many GPUs on the market), and when they're screwing over customers (see Intel's recent debacle). I just hope that enough of us feel the same and reward that content with views and interactions.
What's crazy to me is that, to anyone without extensive up-to-date PC hardware knowledge, "116 FPS on average in Cyberpunk" not only sounds way more impressive than "12% faster than 13600KF in Cyberpunk" , it's also an accurate figure that doesn't directly try to discredit and attack another brand. Plus, anyone who has an idea of the gaming performance of a 13600KF off the top of their heads and can thus appreciate AMD's infographic (shown at 2:45) also has the means to look up benchmarks and find out AMD is lying. It's baffling, really
I assume that AMD will eventually also release the 5300X and 5600XT once they need to get rid of the cores that don't validate for the 5800XT and 5900XT and that will be that for AM4. I also assume that eventually the rest of what's available except the 5700X3D will dry up.
Lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 anyway , with that kind of money i can buy serious air cooler like deepcool ak 620 or thermalright peerless assasin 120 which will blow that cooler out of the water
Honestly would have been more interested in less power at the same performance, just better for sustained loads too. Very bored of just throwing power and voltage at performance.
in commenting on the price, you leave out the fact that the cooler included costs $55 USD today. Is that worth it? Not for you, with a test stock of Noctua, and AIOs. For someone on a first or second gen board with --- say a R3 or R5 Zen Plus --- there is a significant upgrade to Zen 3, but other parts are cheaper (but come with the cheaper Stealth),. I wouldn't have charged so much for their own cooler (doesn't Coolermaster or someone OEM that?) since it doesn't seem to be AM5 compatible; but will be upgrading to a 5700x3d soon and bought an ID Cooling SE - 207 - XT Slim for around $35 (slim apparently means one center fan on dual tower? ). I built the system a year ago on a B550/ R5 5600X; so far, no issues, but I haven't a serious need to upgrade; I don't have the tech Must Upgrade Now virus that badly yet. A better deal would be the R5 5900 65W part for about the same cost and probably less power. ($264 USD on Amazon today, new.)
The 5700X3D is a much better option for gamers. I would know as I currently own one. Mine boosts 50 MHz higher than the stock boost speed and I've been extremely happy with it, even on a 3 1/2 year old B550 board that previous had a 3600 in it.
I can't help but wonder if a big system integrator company still has butt-loads of AM4 motherboards and wanted some "brand new" more decently powerful CPUs to use in new prebuilds versus the G series APUs and the 5500. Oh, and AMD is selling them MUCH cheaper at tray prices without the cooler.
Why not price them correctly? The problem is that the XT chips are so overpriced it makes no sense to buy them. If you want gaming performance, the 5700X3D from earlier this year is much better anyways and also cheaper. If you want multicore performance, the 5900X and 5950X are both cheaper than the 5900XT.
@@razorblade7108 Uncompetitive pricing is a valid point yes. But companies adjust pricing to what they think will make them the biggest profits. Not so that everything necessarily "fits the market". If enough people don't buy at that price, surely the price will come down?
@@no-one_no1406 You can only hope for the dealers at this point. Manufacturers rarely make any price adjustments after release. But if they already sell the products to the dealers at a high price, there's nothing they can do.
Between this and the luke-warm 9700X, think my 5800X is going to stay another generation. Even tried a little amateur PBO tinkering last night, and it's already running faster than this 5800XT, though I've only run Corecycler and full-thread Prime95 so far just to make sure it's stable.
Just to say again, in the UK this CPU is priced £50 MORE than the 5700X3D. AMD never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
AMD shooting themselves in the foot as always
Yep, absolute bargain. I'm so giddy right now.
at least they're consistent, a pillar of certainty in these uncertain times
263eur for the 5800XT, vs 186eur for the 5700X3D in Germany. I know which one I'd rather have lol. AMD shot themselves in both feet with that one
It's almost double what you can pay to import a 5700x3d from China to the UK
5800X3D is gonna take me into the 2030s at this rate.
5800x3d is a great CPU broski, it will last 👍🏻
easily
Same 😂👍
Same with my 5700X3D and i only paid $140 for it lol
i am on the same boat with my 5700X3D
Last time I was this early, none of 14900K CPUs had degraded yet.
You'd have to be this early.
When the comment is more interesting then the CPU being reviewed ~.~
😂
Intel stock dropped by 30% overnight due to them making good decisions
Damn, you beat the 3d cache here
AMD really pushing their luck with these refresh CPU. These should be significantly lower priced! The 5700x3d is still the best value cpu for am4
Bruh, this chip is a scrapped rebinned repurposes left overs. Not a refresh.
@@fajaradi1223 The average user don't care
@@fajaradi1223 which is arguably better, they repurposed silicon, instead of churning out the same old shit with an extra hundred megahertz
@@fajaradi1223 i dont care, call it whatever you want.
The XT cpus are pointless if they're overpriced
Not a refresh, it's still Zen 3. No company would use old silicon, give it 100MHz more and call it a new generation. Right...?
But yeah, useless CPU at this price.
the 5800xt is 260 euros in Germany.
I can buy the 7700 for around 220.
Looks like the products and picings were made by competing temas.
And if you stay on the same socket, you can get a 5700X3D for 186eur ... AMD shooting themselves in both feet at the same time with the pointless XT lmao
The 7700 + fast memory is the optimal solution for gaming right now. It performs best where it matters - in poorly optimized games.
@@Knaeckebrotsaege True. I did not even see that, though that makes it more insane xD
@@JAnx01 7600x is really good too for $195.
Holding out for the XTX version
Underrated comment.
The extra X is worth at least 50fps in any game!😂
My Intel CPU degraded a bit watching this.
My braincell degraded a bit reading this
LOL
@ilaur3340 Don't worry, your Intel CPU degrades from simple tasks too.
@@ilaur3340 welcome to the club!
good one 😂
So Ryzen 5600GT, 5800XT, & 5900XT is the snake oil comes true
always has been. the only people should buy it is no-one. the non XT variants is cheaper, if you want gaming you go for the x3d and for productivity you go for the 5950x (that is if you don't want to move to AM5). The XT variants is a waste of sand (quote from GamerNexus, back when the XT get release for the 3000 series). IF anybody want to argue about the overclocking capability, yes it's binned from a higher tier but they already OC it from the factory and AM4 are not know for the OC capability anyways
@@dogdie147If you're already on AM4, then the Ryzen 9 5950X for a focus on productivity or the Ryzen 7 5800X3D for a focus on gaming is great. But if you're building new, I would just go for AM5 and enjoy the performance benefits and having an iGPU for diagnostic purposes. Of course, stay away from Intel for now.
@@dogdie147 I don't think sand has been wasted here. Those are probably just relabeled old X CPUs, they try to sell this way with slightly altered clock speeds.
Dont forget the 5500GT which is a rebranded 5600G.
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I usually laugh about UserBenchmark's passionate hate for AMD, but in this case "bullshit marketing" hits the nail on the head.
Use this as a "please retest the 7950X3D now that a lot of the scheduling issues are fixed to see the improvements" button, I would love to see these numbers before the 9950X & 9950X3D (probably October/November would be my guess) come out.
AMD trying to not release the most random CPU in existence challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
5-core Ryzen 5669 XY
AMD, if this is what you meant by supporting the AM4 platform, you can stop now.
At this point Intel is doing better marketing for AMD than AMD's own team itself 💀
Yup. It's overpriced and barely better than the variant it was binned from. But it does pass the bare minimum requirement of not being fundamentally broken which still makes it better than Intels 13th and 14th gen.
It's a good thing Intel started gpu's as an area with some hope still left.
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 Intel can still make good cpus if they want to. They just need to focus on delivering a good product instead of pushing what they have to it's breaking point in attempt to beat AMD. If AMD could survive after bulldozer and come back with the fastest gaming cpu on the market then Intel can as well.
@@oxaile4021 Well socket 478 and Net Brust says Intel will never learn that lesson.
This is what happens when there are only 2 players in the game.
6:55 Dramatic Zoom!
Lmao definitely startled me 😂
3% of a dramatic zoom
5800xt and 5700xt, guess what's gpu out of those two
Ryzen 4070
I'd take the Radeon 6700K Ti Super.
@@fajaradi1223 A fellow man of culture i see.
There's a reason it's can an RX 5700XT.
@@nipa5961 delta force green barrette navy seal
7800X3D is the only thing i see. They've made an amazing Cpu to be honest.
Interesting, how nowadays the additional bandwidth of DDR5 finally makes a positive impact. At the zen4 launch, the zen4 parts seemed more at the 5800x3D level.
1:41 That old Roblox *oof* perfectly describes AMD's marketing department right now! 😂
The sound goes all the way back to Messiah from Y2K.
Steve 2 : Marketing 0
Maybe AMD thought they had to pump out every single working CPU now since Intel don't have any. XD
I swear to god AMD comes up with great bang for buck products but can’t do marketing right for their lives.
But this wasn’t it. This one is just insulting to consumers.
Nobody ever accused AMD of having a great marketing department...
This isnt even a good bang for buck product. Honestly, this isnt even worse making its own skew for. This is just a 5800X, the 5800X was already just a 5700X but higher binned and barely faster. Literally the most pointless launch and other than to try and push people to over pay for 5700X’s
@@macbaconboi6382 but value wise this product is an absolute garbage...
In exactly one month from now the 5800XT is going to be $20 more expensive than the 5800X. That's $4 more for the extra 2-3% performance and $16 for the cooler. AMD never misses an opportunity to wreck their own reviews yet end up pleasing the crowd down the road anyway.
@@Karibanu Funny way of saying they outright lied lol. 5700x3d was a great release though.
Zen 3 XT is a unbelievably bad release considering the retail price. When the original SKUs these are based on retail for considerably less, these are actively worse products than the originals from 2020.
The 5900XT (though - should be named 5950 probably...) does make sense, as it brings you 16 cores at a lower price.
This one? In Steves from GN voice: "Waste of sand".
Agreed biggest waste of sand
So right now on Amazon I can get the 5700x for $161 which is just a slightly under-clocked 5800x/5800xt. But the real star is the 5700x3d for $210 (sometimes even sub $200). Yes you get the box cooler, but for $30, you can get some nice tower coolers that would be as good if not better…. All still cheaper than the 5800xt.
Another point is... if you're on AM4 looking into a CPU upgrade and eyeballing the 5700X3D, you probably already have a (hopefully decent) CPU cooler anyway, so likely no extra cost on that front (unless you're stuck with the waste of metal that is the wraith stealth or the newer wraith spire revision without the copper slug... those are likely not up to the job)
AMD should have focussed on increasing 5600X3D availability instead of tarnishing their reputation with launches like these.
5700x3d has basically taken its place as the budget x3d option. Probably not enough defective dies to make many 5600x3d's now. Unless you're suggesting they intentionally disable cores on perfectly good 5800x3ds lol
I know its all nostalgia but man when I finally move to AM5 and AMD stops making AM4 its gonna be bittersweet. something about those square PGA chips just takes me back to my first Athlon my Dad let me install in my first computer. every time I see one
Just going to say it again, the only reason AMD releases these new CPUs is to get good reputation about extending AM4, even though it's through completely pointless products.
I like that you don’t stuff around up front with videos where the outcome is clear. I stay for the commentary 😂
As someone still on AM3, I was kinda curious and maybe a little excited for the XT model chips, until I saw the benchmark notes. Indefensible. Even the most stalwart of fanboys should be able to see that. It would be one thing if these were receiving budget price tags, but it's another thing entirely to launch them at an inflated price and hope no one buying 'em heard about the benchmark snafu.
Honestly if you're not already on AM4, you shouldn't be looking into AM4 anyway, since there's very little point in building a brand new system on a semi-dead socket. Used parts if you're on a tight budget? Sure, grab a 3600 or 5600 and a B450/B550 board and you're golden for quite some time without breaking the bank. Brand new build? Forget about it and look into a 7600 on AM5 instead (or a 7500F if it's available wherever you are and noticeably cheaper. All you lose is 100MHz and the integrated GPU)
AM4 users can be happy about the 5700X3D though, which brings you very good gaming performance even compared to most newer CPUs for just $180-200, which is much cheaper than the 5800X3D, which is not much faster, especially not when using AMDs overclocking tools to further maximize efficiency and clockspeeds. If you are looking into getting a new system AM5 will be a better choice though. The 7800X3D is very sexy. A 9800X3D will likely be even better, but probably much more expensive as well. Or the 7800X3D will drop in price.
It’s just for press for exposure at this point. It’s a 4 year old architecture with nothing actually new here. Just let the AM4 platform rest and not over-populate the platform with products and doesn’t make sense to release.
maybe AMD is just more meta than we all give them credit for, if the i5 degrades and doesn't work at all then clearly the 5800xt is an infinity faster no? xD
No
Copium?
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No nah hahahahahhahaha
Fucking no, the 13600K’s are t even the ones having issues allegedly and even worse the 12600K still beats it handily. Theyre pricing this thing like they dont wanna sell it either besides to some fanboy still on AM5 thats to stupid to realize he should just buy a 5700X or a 5800X3D
Great! There isn't a single CPU manufacturer out there that doesn't lie, confuse, hide, deny, cook benchmarks, or use idiotic naming/numbering schemes that customers can trust these days. What a sad sad state of affairs. Thank god we have channels like this one, Gamer Nexus, Level1Tech, Hardware Unboxing to try and help even the playing fields for us.
The Wraith Prism is also included with some of their AM5 chips.
That is a Wraith Stealth which comes with their 65W products. This chip is a 105W part and the Wraith Prism is beefier - and most AMD 105W parts just don't include a cooler rather than provide a good(ish) one.
@@douglasmurphy3266 Nope, it's a Prism. The AMD product page is clear on that. The Stealth, as currently marketed, does not feature heat pipes. Nor does the Spire.
@@douglasmurphy3266 Nope. The 5800xt comes with a Prism. As does the 7700 and 7900. The Stealth and Spire (as currently marketed) do not have heat pipes. So the 65w chips can have either the Prism or Stealth, depending on the model. You're right though that many of the AM5 chips (the early x models) come with no cooler at all.
@Nick_R_ He said the 5800XT comes with the Prism. The literally 2 SKUs you mentioned are the only 65 W parts that also come with the Prism out of around 40 SKUs. The point is the 5800XT is the only 105 W SKU with the Prism. Like HU mentioned, they liked have too many since the 7700 and 7900 non X SKUs did not sell as well. It's otherwise an odd decision, since that cooler isn't really sufficient.
My 3800x is a 105 w that comes with a wraith prism out of the box .
these XT skus would make a lot more sense if they were slightly faster v-cache sku, that were priced at exactly what the previous processor was, then just lower then price on the previous version by 10%, nothing else would make sense in the consumer market... in the OEM market this would make ever slightly more sense, as they primarily sell by branding rather than actual performance.
I recommend getting "Tranquil Garden" (set 10315), to have alongside your "Bonzai tree" set (@2:26 - 2:38) ;)
That cooler for the 6800XT ! I am skeptical, my 5800x likes a lot of cooling.
I wish I had 5800X3d but that chip came out just after I bought the 58000x I was desperate at the time, as I was running a 4670 bottlenecking the AMD 590, I was running at the time.
I really like the 5800x, It has been so solid and I am amazed at that generation's flexibility.
I can only theorize that this CPU exists for channel partners who have leftover AM4 boards to move... get ready for a couple Cyberpower / Ibuypower configs with XT CPUs shortly, I guess?
Sadly that’s a very plausible explanation. I think a tiny binning exercise, a need to help OEMs and a cynical ploy to say they’re extending AM4 have resulted in this CPU…
Sounds like the old trick: launch with an inflated price but aiming to make special offers immediately afterwards, so people think they are getting a real discount. That, plus the included cooler can convince enough buyers in order to get rid of old stock.
Worse, just launch with inflated prices in order to justify not dropping prices on already existing parts.
@@rinsenpai135 AM4 processors currently being dumped on the market are a byproduct of AMD's long term Zen 3 Epyc commitments. The reason the prices for Zen 3 is where it sits now is because that's the price point where AMD moves them at the rate they make them. It is that simple. If people stop buying them, prices will drop until they move at production rate again. The second AMD doesn't have any more Zen 3 Epyc commitments AM4 dies.
I'm beginning to wonder if the B roll is just Steve flaunting his Lego and Funko Pop collection.
Great content as always. MD should have given us another CPU upgrade option using 3D cache.
It comes with a non-self destructing company (currently) that has less employees than who Intel just announced would be laid off before 2025.
Support your small businesses :P
so glad i didn't have patience to wait for them to release and buyed 5700x3d
I purchased used 5800x 3 years ago on ebay for 200 $ so it looks i don't need to upgrade anytime soon it still holds its own
A 7800x3d is $214-220 at microcenter if u get a mobo and ram, seeing these for this price is insane. Then again microcenter is op *eagle sounds*
Ngl.
These are the 1st cpu reviews ive watched in ages since the 7800x3d came out and I got that.
But because this launch is such a dumpster fire, it's drawn me in.
So think how many other people that will have worked on... Then they see the benchmarks, and what do they see at the top of the list? The 7800x3d.
If you ask me, this is genius.
I think you are comparing new release rrp prices with older stock street prices. As it gets to real street level, it will fall below the 5700x3d. It will also be ok for amateur and home creators who need a boost without the cost of a high priced AM5 board and the required new memory in addition to a higher priced CPU. A lot to fork out for some.
Watching a review while making my own review (different product) - once again, huge thanks to Hardware Unboxed!
It's insane that 7700X is 30%+ faster than 5800X. That is a huge generational jump. I don't remember they marketed it to have that much improvement gen-on-gen
That's mostly because of the DDR5 RAM. DDR5 RAM has 50% higher bandwith over DDR4.
It just hurts to see that much money for an extra 100 megahertz on boost clock of the CPU!
Technically accurate marketing-spin: "Fastest single-CCD AM4 CPU for productivity tasks."
My 13600k oced at 5.6ghz is holding well and no signs of degradation. The whole situation is blown up. I’ll happily keep the better cpu, as I normally get similar performance in gaming as a 7800x3d, while almost double the performance in multicore workloads.
The situation isn't blowing up, it's the Intel CPUs. Let us know when yours does too.
@@drewnewby mine won’t, cause I’m not stupid. Do you even know what the issue is? The main issue is that motherboards push ridiculous amount of voltages to these CPUs. A 14900ks out of the box gets pushed to 1.48v and 1.4v all core. It’s ridiculous. If you have any of these high end CPUs, just undervolt it. Most 14900k’s should easily do 5.7ghz between 1.22-1.28v, as my 13600k can do it in 1.29. 14900ks, upon research can do 5.9 between 1.26-1.32v. 1.33v should be the hard limit if you don’t want to experience any degradation. I do however feel that this problem should have never happened, cause not everyone should be expected to tinker with their cpu. Also the oxidation issue happened to roughly 2-15% of CPUs around end of 2023, so those ppl should get a rma, which Intel has been initiating themselves.
That's not the issue at all, already confirmed by Intel, and known internally to Intel by many. The architectural defect is a design flaw, which affects all Raptor Lake. Maybe go back to your professional minecraft, and leave the engineering discussion to real professionals.
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provish isn't wrong at all.
The majority issue is exactly what he is talking about.
People buying the i9 k and ks, dropping in an enthusiast MB hitting the power button and walking away.
Those people probably should not have bought them.
Maybe stop listening to techtubers that are rambling on calling for pitchforks and torches to get views.
@gt1man931 What techtubers? This has been a known issue for years now, in industry. Go back to your Intel forum. Enough with the astroturfing nonsense.
the eye roling never get old
Given the price similarity it might have been nice to have the 5700X3D on the same chart as well to have another reference value.
Now I am waiting eagerly for the Ryzen 7 5800XT vs. Core i5 13500 video :D
Hey there. I got a 5700x3d for about 180 during prime days. It’s gone up a bit to $210. I’ve also picked up some used CPUs from eBay like the 5900x for $180. I’ve been careful when buying used and so far it’s been a good way to get an upgrade and save some $$. What are your thoughts on buying used provided the seller has good photos, return policy, and decent rating?
Cheers
Rick
Pretty sure 5800x,5900x both came with the prism cooler. But both my 5800x were bought used locally and my 5900x was open box so I could easily be wrong. My 2700x that started my AM4 journey came with the prism. Just recently sold it and bought a Thermalright Silver Soul 110 and was amazed how much better the little Thermalright is. Sold the prism for $15 and bought the 110 for $30. Installed two 92mm fans in push/pull and a 80mm on the front in push config. The prism did sure look nice but the high pressure clasp used to attach it had me worried I could damage a part someday and decided to go with a Noctua like mounting setup on the Thermalright 110. It's darn near a clone of the Noctua D9L that I own as well cooling a 7600x w/ three Noctua brown fans on it.
They both have e c c support which might be used for a decent nas or home lab.
The thing is, the engineers do a great job in making the chips and then marketing enters to crap on all the work. After that, then management enters to say well done marketing, we'll proceed with this. The bottom line is, you really can't trust businesses because they will try skew things in their favour as much as possible, it's why the core purpose of reviews stands, to decipher the BS from the facts.
Thanks for doing the Cinebench and Photoshop, etc benchmarks along with the games. I hope this will continue for the upcoming AMD CPU's and all future CPU benchmarks.
Without tech channels like this, the average consumer would have no chance at all of making an informed purchase...
Spoiler, but not really a spoiler...
I'm kind of enjoying these shorter videos that say 'Yeah nah AMD...'.
Crikey!
Thank you tommy tallarico for making the "oof" sound for this video! If it werent for it I wouldn't have found it!
This thing would have to be clocked @ 5ghz to make any sense at all.
Got it, no 5800XT at US$250. Maybe US$150 on Black Friday? Thank you for another cracklin' video👍
5800XT is 280-300€, this is pointless when you have the 5800X 100€ cheaper or the 5700X3D for 230€... prices doesnt make any sense, why they even bother in release this?.
The price increase is a quite rough - but the cooler isn't exactly cheap. The cooler costs over $40 standalone so I would expect the 5800XT to be $40 more than the 5800X even if they were clocked the same.
When you're on top there's only going down.
It makes perfect sense from their perspective, as the 5000 series was a very good series of CPUs and sold very well, so they had too much stock premade and also the 7000 series initially didn't sell all that well mostly due to motherboards costing too much and instead of letting so many chips they had go to waste they found the best chips, called it an XT (with all the procedures that comes with) and let it go out in the wild to maximize profits since it's likely a smaller loss for them to do this than to just throw them away.
I am just explaining their perspective on why they did this so don't shoot the messenger.
Checked Scan in the UK, 5800XT is £249. 5800x is £179. £70 for almost margin of error
un to run variance performance gains?
Why didnt you try overclocking or even undervolting, theres a good damn chance these are binned just like the 3000xt's
I loved my 5800x3D, and I love my 7800x3D even more. Long live good products
Sad stuff, not having this hit a 5 GHz at least. My own 5800X with a negative 25 on the cores and a 200 bump van easily hit 4.750 stable all core and 4.925 single all day Rock solid.
13600k 5.7 undervolt here, low cost cpu nice performance and still fast in overall
I would like to believe the marketing folk has no idea what V-Cache is and thought the X3D CPUs were just some improvement and of course the even newer XT CPUs would be an even larger improvement, so they must be better than the current i5 and i7, right? But then you see how they tested the CPUs to make those claims and it seems more like they knew what they were doing.
The Wraith Prism is friggin’ nice.
From my understanding they extra EPYC CCD's that are leftover are what is getting put into these CPU's.
The XT CPU do make sense if you're still on an AM4 platform using zen 1 or 2. Considering one in my daughters PC to get a couple more years out of it if the price is reasonable here in Norway.
Look at the 5700X3D instead, the XT CPUs are worse and more expensive.
Thanks Steve
As Steve said at the end, not exactly exiting content, but absolutely necessary content. We NEED media outlets to hold all companies to the fire when they are dishonest and misleading (as with the 5800XT and 5900XT performance claims), when they're being stupid with prices (as with these CPUs and many GPUs on the market), and when they're screwing over customers (see Intel's recent debacle).
I just hope that enough of us feel the same and reward that content with views and interactions.
What's crazy to me is that, to anyone without extensive up-to-date PC hardware knowledge, "116 FPS on average in Cyberpunk" not only sounds way more impressive than "12% faster than 13600KF in Cyberpunk" , it's also an accurate figure that doesn't directly try to discredit and attack another brand.
Plus, anyone who has an idea of the gaming performance of a 13600KF off the top of their heads and can thus appreciate AMD's infographic (shown at 2:45) also has the means to look up benchmarks and find out AMD is lying. It's baffling, really
The IF frequency depends on the ram-bus frequency. So 3.6 the max IF is 1.8, the sweet spot for stability and best performance is 3.8 and 1.9.
I assume that AMD will eventually also release the 5300X and 5600XT once they need to get rid of the cores that don't validate for the 5800XT and 5900XT and that will be that for AM4.
I also assume that eventually the rest of what's available except the 5700X3D will dry up.
So the "free" fan costs $70 😂
Smart slimy shady move AMD
Nothing is free
and 5 years ago I bought 1600AF with cooler for $85
We'll probably never see such a great deal again
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Lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 anyway , with that kind of money i can buy serious air cooler like deepcool ak 620 or thermalright peerless assasin 120 which will blow that cooler out of the water
Thank you guys so much for your videos! I really appreciate what you do. ❤
5700x3D in Germany costs 190€ after tax. I wonder how the 5800xt will slot in
7:20 is ryzen 7 7700 really 30% faster than ryzen 5 7600?? I thought it was only ~5% faster
Honestly would have been more interested in less power at the same performance, just better for sustained loads too. Very bored of just throwing power and voltage at performance.
in commenting on the price, you leave out the fact that the cooler included costs $55 USD today. Is that worth it? Not for you, with a test stock of Noctua, and AIOs.
For someone on a first or second gen board with --- say a R3 or R5 Zen Plus --- there is a significant upgrade to Zen 3, but other parts are cheaper (but come with the cheaper Stealth),. I wouldn't have charged so much for their own cooler (doesn't Coolermaster or someone OEM that?) since it doesn't seem to be AM5 compatible; but will be upgrading to a 5700x3d soon and bought an ID Cooling SE - 207 - XT Slim for around $35 (slim apparently means one center fan on dual tower? ). I built the system a year ago on a B550/ R5 5600X; so far, no issues, but I haven't a serious need to upgrade; I don't have the tech Must Upgrade Now virus that badly yet.
A better deal would be the R5 5900 65W part for about the same cost and probably less power. ($264 USD on Amazon today, new.)
This is just tarnishing the legend status of the AM4 platform.
Least stupid AMD moment.
It sucks that lying is an accepted part of advertising. Damn few are honest enough to buck that trend. Damn shame.
I love the way you say "dubious."
The 5700X3D is a much better option for gamers. I would know as I currently own one. Mine boosts 50 MHz higher than the stock boost speed and I've been extremely happy with it, even on a 3 1/2 year old B550 board that previous had a 3600 in it.
Are we watching the same video? Did you see the 13 game average slide? 13600K spanks all the 5000 chips and is going for $242 on Newegg.
You're wrong, Steve, there is a perfect niche use for this CPU, you can use it to prop up a pizza box.
I can't help but wonder if a big system integrator company still has butt-loads of AM4 motherboards and wanted some "brand new" more decently powerful CPUs to use in new prebuilds versus the G series APUs and the 5500. Oh, and AMD is selling them MUCH cheaper at tray prices without the cooler.
Must be a typo, should be $150.
...why NOT add a extra 100MHz if the manufacturing process now allows for it?
Why not price them correctly? The problem is that the XT chips are so overpriced it makes no sense to buy them. If you want gaming performance, the 5700X3D from earlier this year is much better anyways and also cheaper. If you want multicore performance, the 5900X and 5950X are both cheaper than the 5900XT.
@@razorblade7108 Uncompetitive pricing is a valid point yes. But companies adjust pricing to what they think will make them the biggest profits. Not so that everything necessarily "fits the market". If enough people don't buy at that price, surely the price will come down?
@@no-one_no1406 You can only hope for the dealers at this point. Manufacturers rarely make any price adjustments after release. But if they already sell the products to the dealers at a high price, there's nothing they can do.
Gotta keep em honest! Thanks Steve!
What of the rumoured 5950XT3D at $650? 🤪
AMD must think we are stupid...
Between this and the luke-warm 9700X, think my 5800X is going to stay another generation. Even tried a little amateur PBO tinkering last night, and it's already running faster than this 5800XT, though I've only run Corecycler and full-thread Prime95 so far just to make sure it's stable.
considering the recent news on intel 13 & 14 gen CPUs, just wait a few months, and repeat this test again 😅😅